"Lakini's Juice" C or D?

Everyone knows that Live only had one great song ,and this really wasn't it.

I was really into Live in middle school, then this song came out and I was like "fuck these dudes"

she now has the trump card in any future arguments about our collections.

Anyway, Secret Samadhi might have been the first album I ever bought on release date, but it was definitely the first album I ever regretted purchasing. I wore out a dubbed cassette of Throwing Copper and I liked the guitar in "Lakini's Juice," but Secret Samadhi was so terrible on the whole that I felt personally wronged. I don't think I listened to it much after the first week.

LABOR LABOR LABOR

The milk-bar video was so bizarre.

Of course, I like the single from the album after this one about the dolphins, so what the hell do I know?

oh you have got to be shitting me

I also like "White: Discussion" OK and the bridge to "I, Alone" is pretty awesome, but besides that "Lightning Crashes" towers miles above the rest of their catalogue.

It was Live who paved the way for Creed, who as everyone knows is the devil. So in essence, Live was the antichrist.

VISIT ONE CHAMELEON CLUB.

i couldn't escape this band between '94 and '97. even my dud first host brother in DENMARK like these fukkers.

ME: WHY DO YOU LIKE THEM, ANDERS?
ANDERS: FORDI DE ER SAA GODE?
ME: OH I GET IT. YOU LIKE THEM BECAUSE THEY ARE SO GOOD.

/conversation. things didn't go well with that host family. (he also loved pearl jam.)

-- blackmail.is.my.life (blackmail.is.my.lif...), March 15th, 2005.

haha, yeah, everyone I know who's from a certain part of Pennsylvania seems to have a "we saw Live when they were just getting started" story.

I think the sequence of Throwing Copper singles/videos was:

Selling The Drama -> I Alone -> Lightning Crashes -> White, Discussion

with All Over You somewhere in there as a big radio hit with no video. White, Discussion was the one that I thought was tolerable, at least at first.

in fact, it's hard to imagine them having been that famous now. also: alanis morrissette to thread (re many hit singles, and then poof!)

SEE ONE RATTLE & HUM

CALL ONE WHO ROCK OPERA.

Bush to thread, better that the rest, green to red, Bush to thread.

oh I'm not pretending this song could exist in a "Kashmir"-free world

"Greedy Fly" and "Swallowed" off Razorblade Suitcase were both pretty big in my high school, tho. And I remember seeing a video for the "Mouth" remix on MTV.

so what yer saying, then, is that live were THE HOOTERS of the 90s?!?

Live were like having a local, Orwellian Dave Matthews Band - omnipresent and always dudly.

I agree. And if it wasn't for DMX there'd be no Ja Rule, but I still enjoy "Get At Me Dog".

Are you sure you aren't thinking of INXS?

actually he had NOTHING. he just hopped around like a jackass in slo-mo mouthing along with the chorus. supposedly thought the video was really heavy and improved by seeing their reserved drummer go apeshit but Live has to rationalize a lot of idiocy to keep from blowing their heads off. Me and my sister used to count the amount of times Ed K. touches his head in that video. He clearly wasn't used to the bald pate.

"Is it raining outside?" "No, I had spaghetti."

DEEEEEP ENOUGH TO DIIIIIIVE!

so profound!

Indeed.

And I still think they were an odd choice for that 120 Minutes tour with PIL, BAD II and Blind Melon. One of the weirdest packages tours ever, I think.

thankfully, little, if any, stuck.

but...i knowed fellers...!

Or at least that opening riff. It's awesome. The rest is still kinda dreadful. But wonderful? I dunno, it's terribly confusing.

BURN MY EYYYYYYYYES

This song is a stone-cold bonafide 100% classic in every possible sense of the word "classic".

-- The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, March 14, 2005 8:28 PM (3 years ago) Bookmark Link
everyone in high school called this album Secret Sodomy

-- miccio (miccio), Monday, March 14, 2005 8:32 PM (3 years ago)

Two best consecutive comments ever.

Best Live song, hands down

i just almost c&p'd the Secret Sodomy post 5 minutes ago

Classic for sure. My favorite Live single and it sort of sounds like Helmet if they were dynamic and not boring.

-- herbert hebert (herbert hebert), Monday, March 14, 2005 3:53 PM (3 years ago) Bookmark Link

I like that bit in "Lightning Crashes" where he's like "the angel opens her ahehyeeaheeeyehyaheyes"!

-- nickalicious (nickalicious), Monday, March 14, 2005 4:05 PM

^ also funniest part of the video because he does that creepy eyes-rolling-back-in-the-head thing

this song is still classic. though this was right around the time 'tacked-on strings' was becoming a thing in alternative rock and while they worked effectively here, gtfo with that shit for the rest.

I liked this album, but Live really went to shit after this album, especially when they started putting out shit like "Heaven"

Ha, love this song. did my link to it in the drop D tuning thread remind you of it?

I don't remember a single song off this album (including the one the thread is made for), but I loved that dolphin song from the album that came next.

lol, at least I'm consistent:

I loved loved loved the first two albums and debut ep, but this song and its corresponding album were trash trash trash.

Of course, I like the single from the album after this one about the dolphins, so what the hell do I know?

― Johnny Fever (johnny fever), Monday, March 14, 2005 8:47 PM (8 years ago)

Dolphin's Cry was hilarious but catchy, the rest of that album was a pile of poopy.

Spottie both your post and then a thread that was linked to in the Hail Hail Pearl Jam thread (two threads removed).

I feel like Ed Ed Kowalczyk seemed to think he was the fucking Yogi of alternative rock pseudo-spiritualism though

lol he got kicked out of the band a few years ago? awesome

hahaha wait, what?

they must be the most faceless band ever without that dude

Are they still active without him? I thought it was just a case of them saying "fuck off" and then dissolving.

Live (/ˈlaɪv/, often typeset as LĪVE) is an American rock band from York, Pennsylvania, composed of Chad Taylor (lead guitar), Patrick Dahlheimer (bass), Chad Gracey (drums), and Chris Shinn (vocals). Live's original lead singer Ed Kowalczyk left the band in November 2009.

On November 30, 2009, Chad Taylor revealed that what had initially been termed a "two-year hiatus" was more likely the end of the band, due to what he felt were inappropriate and possibly illegal actions by Ed Kowalczyk,[5] which have resulted in a lawsuit being filed against him by the other three band members.[6] In June 2011, Taylor revealed that he, Gracey and Dahlheimer were to reform Live without Kowalczyk,[7] who confirmed that he would not work with the other three again.[8] In March 2012, Chris Shinn, formerly of the band Unified Theory, replaced Kowalczyk as lead singer.[9]

On January 24, 2012 Taylor, Dahlheimer and Gracey announced that they were leading members in a project to renovate a four story building at 210 York Street in York. Three floors will house a technology company, creating 60 new jobs. The building will also include a brand new recording studio.[17]

The band returned from their nearly three-year hiatus on March 12, 2012, with Chris Shinn, formerly of Unified Theory, as their new lead singer. The new line-up performed before an invited audience at the Strand-Capitol Performing Arts Center in York. The band performed as a six-piece with The Gracious Few's Sean Hennesy on guitar and Alexander Lefever on keyboards.[9][18] In July 2012, Live commenced more legal proceedings against Ed Kowalczyk, this time for misuse of the band's name while promoting his live performances.[19]
Live's first major tour with Shinn was as part of the Summerland Tour 2013, playing 35 shows across the US. Other featured bands were Everclear, Filter and Sponge.[20]

Oh well mortgages, groceries, etc. I'd forgotten they were part of the Summerland Tour.

literally the only karaoke song

In July 2012, Live commenced more legal proceedings against Ed Kowalczyk, this time for misuse of the band's name while promoting his live performances.[19]

p sure he goes as "Edward Kowalczyk" for srs artist cred

I was just thinking about this song tonight, but conflating it w Lakitu, the Super Mario baddie who hangs out on a cl oud and tosses those spiny creatures...

the story about the band getting pissed him for asking for a "lead singer bonus" when they played a festival is hilarious

Look where all this hagglin' got us, baby

What'd he put on his flyer, "Ed Kowalczyk Live"?

― willem, Wednesday, October 16, 2013 4:59 AM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

irl lols

there was some episode of some show on MTV where they were exploring Live's origins and Ed went back to his former school and his choir teacher was talking about him and all I could think was god, Ed would have to be the worst possible dude to be in a choir.

EeeyeYYAHAHYEEAhhhhhhh!

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/61s68JHf8aL._AA160_.jpg

lakini's juice all over my face, what is a boy to do

Clearest barf ever

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woah weird, we were seriously jamming out to this song on the road this afternoon

good thread

karaoke classic

literally the only karaoke song

― emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Tuesday, October 15, 2013 10:24 PM (four years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Looks like the song of the summer is, once again, “Lakini’s Juice”

— Jeremy D. Larson (@jeremydlarson) June 5, 2018

few songs of the summer go as far as to share their evenings with the sun

I know I've heard this song but I cannot for the life of me remember how it goes. And every time I try to remember how it goes, I hear Ed Kowalczyk singing 'sayababydoyouwannalaydownwithme, sayababydoyouwannalaydownbymyside'. But that can't be right.

Yeah, I think it's actually either "oombayseeyou” or “seemoobadeeyah."

to Live's credit they have accounted for many quality ILX threads

In July 2012, Live commenced more legal proceedings against Ed Kowalczyk, this time for misuse of the band's name while promoting his live performances.[19]

What'd he put on his flyer, "Ed Kowalczyk Live"?
― willem, Wednesday, October 16, 2013 4:59 AM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

This still slays me

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COS I GOTTA EAT IT

I got this album at the mall in Missoula MT when I was 10, during a break from a youth bowling tournament.

USED TO BE SO CALM

USED TO BE SO SANE

I really enjoy this record. That famous riff sounds like the guitar equivalent of a jammed copier machine. Some of the other songs have good Ed K moments too.

NOW THERE'S NO TIME.. TO LIVE
LIIIIIIIiiIIIIiiiiIIIIVE

That famous riff sounds like the guitar equivalent of a jammed copier machine

I love this

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/SociablePalatableGyrfalcon-size_restricted.gif

^ I forget about Moby's punk rock phase sometimes

I can never see this clip without hearing Beavis and Butthead ripping on the video

huge drop off from the throwing copper singles, do not like

Just had one of those "Oh, that song!" moments revisiting this. First time in over 20 years.

Now listening to seriously fake-R.E.M. opening cut "Rattlesnake". '...laughing gas and ennui' indeed.

I enjoyed Secret Samadhi at the time, it was enjoyable pop, albeit nowhere near as immediate or ear-wormy as Throwing Copper. it had to do since I wanted to start buying extreme metal albums but since I didn't have a job and they'd be buying me any music, my mother and father would literally read the entire lyric books of every album I bought, and if they saw something they didn't like, I got an earful, and I didn't wanna get grounded for "tricking" them. so Live would have to do.

my dad objected to Aerosmith's Get a Grip ffs, because of Eat the Rich's "take your grey poupon my friend, and shove it up your ass".

wait but "you know your sperm is weak" passed muster?

lol I don't think he bothered to check on the lyrics for this album, somehow.

I remember being so starved to hear good music in the mid-90s, pre-mp3 explosion, I used to call 1-800-MusicNow, which was some music ordering service, and they'd let you say a band's name, and choose an album, and they'd play short snippets from 4 or 5 songs. I actually played it on speakerphone for several bands one day and recorded these snippets.

ha, yeah. never did anything quite like that but 100% recognize the impulse driving it.

who the fuck is Lakini and is 'juice' his piss?

i listened to this record for the first time when i was 15 and thought it had the worst lyrics of all time but the record was still kinda tight despite that. still feel that way about early live tbh

just an fyi"lakini's juice" is only a hilarious karaoke choice if the people in your group are all 30-40 years old. it is completely lost on young millennials and zoomers or whatever

it's way fucking fun to sing though

It's even more of a knee slapper if 90%+ of the group consists of people in their 30s/40s and the remainder of zoomers.

Not that such a thing ever happens, of course.

Was just recently reminded of the Tricky song with the Kowalcyzk vocal after hearing it on an episode of The West Wing (of all places) and subsequently discovered a video I didn't know existed. It's...something.

http://www.youtube.com/Pyhli_6yK3o

FYI SongMeanings user lighbulb054 has pierced the veil for us:

https://songmeanings.com/songs/view/40933/

LEEEEEEEEEEEEEET ME RIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIDE

this is basically a tool song

huh, never thought about that but I buy it. Ed's vocal style is so radically different, makes a distinct hybrid imo.

who the fuck is Lakini and what is his juice

I had no idea that Live released an album without Ed back in 2014. Not that I'm invested at all in these guys, but that seems... pointless.

this song still bangs

The song title is actually a contraction of "Lakini is Juice".

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/z1ddM-FpiMg/hqdefault.jpg

LEEEEEEEEEEEEEET ME RIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIDE

Insane that there’s two guys named Chad in this band.

this is basically a song by tools

lol

Wites, Discussion

lakini's juice all over my face, what is a boy to do

― deez so unusual (some dude), Saturday, 19 October 2013 21:51 (seven years ago)

lol

Just listened to this for the first time and it slaps. Does sound a bit like tool.

the first time I saw the video on MTV I missed the title and just heard the DJ give the title so I thought it was "Bikini's Juice" and was a little grossed out

Bikini Is Juice

Inside the outside by the river
Used to be so calm
Used to be so sane
I rushed the lady's room
Took the water from the toilet
Washed her feet and blessed her name

they were doing this in 2017 with two drummers for some reason?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gqDOFUbtdRk

First one forgot his sticks again?

What the fuck dance is Ed doing in that vid?

Why is he singing it like a pisstake?

https://img.youtube.com/vi/FNrQOUtXYOo/hqdefault.jpg

Insane that there’s two guys named Chad in this band.

― This Is Not An ILX Username (LaMonte), Friday, June 11, 2021 6:51 PM (two days ago) bookmarkflaglink

as crucial a detail in explaining this band as the fact that there are two guys named "gord" in the tragically hip

The lyrics to this song are hilarious

No one has annotated this on Genius and that makes me sad

awww I was going to look :(

wait, can we make this a group project? and just come up with off the wall interpretations and upvote each othera?

From song meanings.com:
The entire song represents a transition from the illusion of Christianity to the enlightenment of Hinduism.

taking water from the ladies room toilet is apparently reverse baptism that makes you an Un-Christian?

I just love the Hindu nationalist interpretation.

now it's annotated! kinda

https://genius.com/23274151

i recently subjected my friends to this and the consensus is that it's cringe but also that the 'let me ride' bit is pretty great. i feel like this song has a spiritual connection to 'hold me thrill me kiss me kill me' with the cartoonish riff and the orchestral stuff and the vocal over-performance

I still unironically love the song. I used to play the cd backstage in high school while waiting for my entrances in The Music Man.

missed many cues.

they didn't shark jump until THE DERPHINS CRAYYY

the lyrics to the entire album this song is from are genuinely inexplicable imo

"turn my head" is such a pretty song until [ed kowalczyk voice] DRUNK ON YOUR JUICESSSSS

it's a CRAZY, CRAZY, MIXED-UP TOWN

Gas Hed is fun

"White, Discussion" is still their best though cos the chorus has no vocals

The rack is full and so are we
Of laughing gas and ennui

wait wait how did I miss that they released an album called Birds of Pray

featuring a song called "Heaven"

that song got some adult alternative heat and i used to hear it once a day while mopping the ice cream store i worked in during hs/college

it is total dogshit

I knew it existed, I just...didn't know it was on an album called Birds of Pray, lmao

^^Was that the album that not one but two movie themes on it? One of them was for Mummy II.

lol one of our ILXors took it down for Stylus back in the day: http://stylusmagazine.com/review_ID_611.html

Self-XP It was the album before that, entitt V, which had songs from Mummy Returns and the first Fast & Furious film.

The collection of songs that became V was never intended to be released as an album. Guitarist Chad Taylor said, "The goal was to prepare songs for the next studio session. MCA got a hold of the material and pushed us to call it an album." The songs were originally going to be released free to fans as a collection called Ecstatic Fanatic.

LET ME DRIIIIIIIIIIIIIVE (mom)
https://mediafiveent.com/archive/artistlist/publicaffectionarchive/picture.jpg

"I like Flock of Seagulls"

“I, Alone”, the second single off of Throwing Copper, according to Songfacts, this song is an adaptation of The Bible’s Luke 8:22-25, where Jesus Christ uses his holy powers to put a storm at bay.

lol @ citing other Genius.com-adjacent site as your source

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wooooow

https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-features/live-alt-rock-band-crime-lawsuits-1234677011/

these URLs are why the band name is unfortunate

two paragraphs in and already wtffffffffff

Ed K. In Being Manipulated By Charismatic Conman SHOCKAH!

oh yeah it's amazing

wait what?

yes, but growing up in SE PA, these guys were so dudly they willed themselves classic. they wouldn't stop touring the area! and the mythology surrounding them was ridiculous. every roommate i had in college would tell me something about this band (they useta be skinheads/nazis, you know) - one d00d went so far as to hang a picture of them promoting whatever tour it was in '97 in our room!

VISIT ONE CHAMELEON CLUB.

― blackmail.is.my.life (blackmail.is.my.life), Tuesday, March 15, 2005 8:36 AM (seventeen years ago)

That seems apocryphal but I've wondered about that post

I used to remember people saying that's why Ed shaved his head, but it always felt urban legend-y, like a twist on Marilyn Manson's ribs or whatever.

we already did this here btw: Defend the Indefensible: Live (the band)

so thoughts after reading this:

*Tynes talks a lot of shit for someone with a demon's resume
*How could you file bankruptcy 5 times in an 8 year span when a Chapter 11 takes 7 years to discharge
*The fucking Charlotte Hornets's owner's kid was their temporary lead singer for a few years...lol
*it's kinda not shocking that Ed just fired everyone and went on with hired guns. there's very little distinct about the bass, guitar playing, and drumming in this band, they sort of live or die by his vocals and songwriting (for better or worse). this isn't like Slayer changing drummers and having a different feel rhythmically, very plug and play.
*Taylor seems naive to a ridiculous degree and he was a dick for what he did to his other bandmates in taking a larger cut
*of course Gracey is a Trumper
*Ed seems to let Hynes way too far off of the hook because of his anger at Taylor

I wonder if Ed K. is mad about wasting his last good scalp years with a shaved head.

"Taylor tried producing movies, like the 2010 Ernest Borgnine-Cybill Shepherd film Another Harvest Moon"

"“They’d take money from one to pay for the other … and they were able to get meetings because they were the guys from Live. That’s what got them in the door. They used that all the time.”

who are these gullible people

Live fans.

Back in the 1990s I went on a summer trip bringing together different high schools. One of the participants was Ed Kowalczyk’s sister. Some Live fans kept hovering around her, expecting her to give insights into Kowalczyk’s lyrics, even though she was years younger than her famous brother and probably wouldn’t know anything.

But I still remember decades later that these fans raved around <i>Throwing Copper</i>, but whenever the conversation turned to <i>Secret Samadhi</i> (then the most recent release), they seemed confused and somehow disappointed by the album.

whereas that was the one I did like, lol.

embarrassed that I purchased Mental Jewelry shortly after it came out, partly because of Jerry Harrison, partly because I actually liked a song on it

everyone in high school called this album Secret Sodomy
― miccio (miccio), Monday, March 14, 2005 2:32 PM (seventeen years ago) bookmarkflaglink

addendum: I have it on good authority that the people at Pachyderm Studios found a "metric ton" of porno mags stashed all over the place after Live vacated the premises.

A lotta Lakini's Juice spilled, no doubt.

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I've had "Selling the Drama" (I think that's what it's called) playing non-stop in my head the last couple of days since reading that rolling stone article. These songs are so annoyingly catchy and this is reminding me why I got rid of "Throwing Copper" about a year after buying it (one of a handful of CDs I ever sold)

all it took was the article quoting the lyrics "and for christ the cross / and for me the chair". My brain does some dumb shit sometimes.

" there's very little distinct about the bass, guitar playing, and drumming in this band"

What was that <i>Throwing Copper</i>-era video where Kowalczyk is singing and grooving with great rockstar chrisma, while the rest of the band look confused at the camera like doofuses?

Ah, it was "I Alone". Yeah, after I saw this a few years ago, I pretty much wrote off the rest of the band: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FNrQOUtXYOo

Cosmic Egg Healing
11 months ago
can confirm: it’s 2022 and this song still goes hard af!

Valeen OI
2 years ago
This song is a masterpiece.

Matt Barringer
6 years ago
One of the best bands of the 90's hands down. Such intensity in Ed's voice.

tangobasso
2 years ago
Can confirm: It’s 2021 and this song still goes hard af.

Baron Von Sparklefarts
6 years ago
The intro of this song is utterly unmistakable. 10/10

Baby Polo
6 years ago
Listen closely to the bass in the verses.....so ominous and chilling....sounds like a living creature, its breath rising and falling. Amazing. Track gives me goosebumps. Earphones, loud!

SystemFailure
8 years ago
Live has always been a thinking persons type of band. The way the music and lyrics are laid out are very artistic and intelligently arranged. One of my favorite bands from the 90's

Jonas Butler
6 years ago
This is the one song that convinced to buy some good speakers. It was about twenty years ago. Live deserves the best. My Mom loves Live. They are easily underrated, but loved by all.

i associate this band with a friend i had from about 13-15 yo named m!tch. his dad was a software guy who did office-y looking mini wood and wire sculptures on the side - lots of aquamarine speckled with yellow, that sort of thing - dilbert vibes. m!tch and his dad were alright, i went with them to my first concert (dave matthews band lol). i never quite had m!tch's enthusiasm for live though.

highly recommend anyone who hasn’t heard it check out their song about having sex on a couch in the middle of the club.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IScl9sX3Inw

key lyrics

We hit a couch, the place was packed
With sweaty palms, sweaty thongs, and sweaty backs
My mouth was dry, my brain cold high, the groove was right, so I decided to ignite
Your eyes met mine, you skirt began to rise, and so did I
Now you know that i took that prize
In the middle of the club, in the middle of the club, in the middle of club
Now tell me!

I like how there’s a completely baffling reference to the death of Christ just so you know you’re still listening to Live.

i try to ruthlessly interrogate the opinions i had when i was a teenager but one that's remained unshakable is that the lyrics on secret samadhi are among the most embarrassing ever penned. and they just got worse from there

i love "lakini's juice" though i can't deny, potentially because it is one of the dumbest songs ever made

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in the voice of that one zombie from Return of the Living Dead

no one:
ed kowalczyk: DRUNK ON YOUR JUICES

Nothing was worse than "Heaven" imo

i got the juice like lakini

rappers feel free to use that

Lol

still baffled that i would hear "heaven" occasionally on the adult alternative station that played all day long when i worked at carvel. a band that ran out of ideas several albums ago was now trying to become christian train

Nobody call me on the phone
Like Live, I alone

lakini pouring from the sky, let's get rich what

It was the type of Christian song for Protestants who smoked

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lakini pouring from the sky, let's get rich what

― c u (crüt), Friday, February 24, 2023 12:46 PM (four minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

hahaha omg

damn wish id thought of that one lol

lmao

Secret Samadhi by Live: its bathetic and grotesque lyrics