Sonic Youth to Play UPenn Spring Fling + Student Reactions

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also, the comments are required reading.

― maria tessa sciarrino (theoreticalgirl), Monday, 28 March 2005 03:52 (twenty-one years ago)

i didnt see this online yet, so i thought id share. my employer constantly amuses me.

― maria tessa sciarrino (theoreticalgirl), Monday, 28 March 2005 03:53 (twenty-one years ago)

"I like Sonic Youth myself so I'd like to see that [but] I don't see them drawing too big of a crowd," Engineering freshman Nick Drake said.

He's alive!

― djdee (djdee2005), Monday, 28 March 2005 03:53 (twenty-one years ago)

i cant belive SPEC didnt ask him to play!

― maria tessa sciarrino (theoreticalgirl), Monday, 28 March 2005 03:55 (twenty-one years ago)

why the fuck are they charging $20 if they have a $70k budget? that's bullshit, no matter who's playing.

― hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 28 March 2005 03:59 (twenty-one years ago)

wharton school is your answer xpost

― blackmail.is.my.life (blackmail.is.my.life), Monday, 28 March 2005 04:05 (twenty-one years ago)

i think its only 70K they have for bands. i believe they need to raise money to pay for the construction of a stage in wynn commons as well as security and all the other show stuff.

― maria tessa sciarrino (theoreticalgirl), Monday, 28 March 2005 04:06 (twenty-one years ago)

BAND UNFAMILIAR TO STUDENT JOURNALIST, FRIENDS

― Hurting (Hurting), Monday, 28 March 2005 04:13 (twenty-one years ago)

penn is going out of business. there are bakesales to pay for bono's commencement speech - the debts are outrageous.

― blackmail.is.my.life (blackmail.is.my.life), Monday, 28 March 2005 04:17 (twenty-one years ago)

TS: Doggystyle vs. Daydream Nation

― djdee (djdee2005), Monday, 28 March 2005 04:19 (twenty-one years ago)

Great Scott! Penn is caught in a space-time vortex! We've GOT to free them!! Warp 9, Dr Sulu. Uhura, open a channel: tell them help is on the way.

― VegemiteGrrl (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 28 March 2005 04:19 (twenty-one years ago)

cats have many powers, scratching and biting among them.

― blackmail.is.my.life (blackmail.is.my.life), Monday, 28 March 2005 04:20 (twenty-one years ago)

cat scratch fever.

― djdee (djdee2005), Monday, 28 March 2005 04:21 (twenty-one years ago)

fever to $ell: spring fling 2005!

― blackmail.is.my.life (blackmail.is.my.life), Monday, 28 March 2005 04:22 (twenty-one years ago)

Muse is playing the same night at Temple. Go see that. With Razorlight. Sonic Youth is great tho.

I found this the most offensive by far...

― poortheatre (poortheatre), Monday, 28 March 2005 04:23 (twenty-one years ago)

To be fair, I think it was kind of douche of them to book Sonic Youth AND Cat Power. They could have made some kind of gesture to another audience.

― Hurting (Hurting), Monday, 28 March 2005 04:24 (twenty-one years ago)

they did - with citizen cope!

― blackmail.is.my.life (blackmail.is.my.life), Monday, 28 March 2005 04:25 (twenty-one years ago)

cat power in front of thousands of fraternity douches is pretty much worth the cost of admission alone.

― maria tessa sciarrino (theoreticalgirl), Monday, 28 March 2005 04:30 (twenty-one years ago)

Some of these people are complaining that they've never heard of Sonic Youth ... but they're envious of Providence because Ben Folds and the Shins are playing there?

What?

cat power in front of thousands of fraternity douches is pretty much worth the cost of admission alone.

hahahaha!!!

― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Monday, 28 March 2005 04:38 (twenty-one years ago)

I take that back, THIS is the best part:

"Who are they?" College freshman Elizabeth Jefferson asked. "I've never heard of them."

Wharton junior Lloyd Thomas said he feels "disappointed," especially considering what some other schools have performing this year.

For example, Snoop Dogg will be headlining Cornell's Slope Day concert and Ben Folds will be playing at Brown's Spring Weekend.

"I think we deserve a bigger name," Thomas said.

hahahahahaha

― poortheatre (poortheatre), Monday, 28 March 2005 04:38 (twenty-one years ago)

In summers i work at a concert venue that booked ben folds and yo - the FLYEST motherfucking people go to Ben Folds concerts. I saw no ugly people there.

― djdee (djdee2005), Monday, 28 March 2005 04:40 (twenty-one years ago)

This totally confirms my impression that Penn is the boring Ivy.

― Hurting (Hurting), Monday, 28 March 2005 04:40 (twenty-one years ago)

AND i got off work right before the music actually started, so i didnt have to hear it! Best of both worlds.

― djdee (djdee2005), Monday, 28 March 2005 04:40 (twenty-one years ago)

slave money bought ben folds and the shins. whatevs.

― maria tessa sciarrino (theoreticalgirl), Monday, 28 March 2005 04:41 (twenty-one years ago)

Though it's a second runner-up to Princeton for the "dumb Ivy."

― Hurting (Hurting), Monday, 28 March 2005 04:41 (twenty-one years ago)

Best comment:

You're all dumbasses. In 1995, Violent Femmes performed and they were the last good band to perform. I went to Penn 1996-2000 and THERE WERE NO GOOD ACTS. One year the headliner was Maceo Parker, who the f is he? Sonic Youth is a band that was bigger than NIRVANA in the late 80s and a band that KURT COBAIN HAD RESPECT FOR. I know you kids are young but YOU NEED TO GO SEE SONIC YOUTH. THEY ARE AN AMAZING BAND. Take it from an old timer like me, go see sonic youth... a band that preceded the early 90s grunge era.

― gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Monday, 28 March 2005 04:45 (twenty-one years ago)

This situation seems perfectly set up for me to hate anyone who has a position to argue.

― djdee (djdee2005), Monday, 28 March 2005 04:46 (twenty-one years ago)

"I like Sonic Youth myself so I'd like to see that [but] I don't see them drawing too big of a crowd," Engineering freshman Nick Drake said.

Also. $70,000? Jesus fucking Christ, that's inflated!

― Remy (x Jeremy), Monday, 28 March 2005 04:48 (twenty-one years ago)

Dude's complaining about Maceo Parker??? It's like getting a briefcase full of unmarked bills and lamenting that it doesn't match your suit.

― Matt Chesnut, Monday, 28 March 2005 04:48 (twenty-one years ago)

Yes, but $70,000!

― Remy (x Jeremy), Monday, 28 March 2005 04:49 (twenty-one years ago)

Presuming the venue's free, tech is free, security is free, insurance is free, etc., etc., that's 3500 x $20.00 tix that'd be needed to break-even. Granted, this is likely underwritten by an activities-board, but I don't buy for a second that it really cost $70,000 just for the band.

― Remy (x Jeremy), Monday, 28 March 2005 04:50 (twenty-one years ago)

The best one, in all seriousness:

and just so you know, people don't make fun of Penn kids for their pseudo-intellectualism. they make fun of them because they think ivy-leaguers are rich, spoiled brats. which this interesting sentiment, "We deserve better" seems to reflect nicely. maybe Mommy and Daddy can get Jimmy Eat World to play your birthday party, hon. then you won't have to be such a sad little raincloud.

t-bone

― Hurting (Hurting), Monday, 28 March 2005 04:51 (twenty-one years ago)

haha remy i pointed out the nick drake thing in the 2nd post on the thread! Like maria said though, they should totally have him perform.

― djdee (djdee2005), Monday, 28 March 2005 04:55 (twenty-one years ago)

he's an engineer, maybe he can like build a lego guitar or something.

― djdee (djdee2005), Monday, 28 March 2005 04:55 (twenty-one years ago)

here's my take, as someone who oversees my departments budget on the money thing. the provost's office gave them 70K for the show. sonic youth is guaranteed at least 25K of that money. [if stereolab garners 10K per show, and no one cares about them, then sonic youth is probably more] catpower & citizen cope will probably receive 15K total with their guarantees.

with only 30K remaining in their budget, they still need to construct a full stage & rent a sound system, set up fencing and all security related issues. the cost of the stage is probably going to eat up the remaining part of that money, so in order to pay for everything else, they need to use ticket sales. and i wouldnt be surprised if the bands receive a percentage of ticket sales in addition to their guarantees.

i am going to guess that the entire thing will cost in the realm of 100-125K to put on. let's hope about 2,800 students decide to attend this thing in order for them to break even.

― maria tessa sciarrino (theoreticalgirl), Monday, 28 March 2005 05:04 (twenty-one years ago)

Wow, my school blew its entire budget on Blues Traveller circa 1996. But I guess the indie rock kids and frat kids are still fighting it out, then? WHERE IS GOMEZ WHEN YOU NEED THEM TO UNITE OUR CAMPUSES??

― Aaron W (Aaron W), Monday, 28 March 2005 05:07 (twenty-one years ago)

we booked the the shins (w/ fiery furnaces) for our show last fall... sold out before i got a ticket. bastards.

― poortheatre (poortheatre), Monday, 28 March 2005 05:11 (twenty-one years ago)

These kids should be thankful they get Sonic Yoof and Cat Power instead of Ryan Adams and the Shins. Who could complete the trifecta of bland with Adams and the Shins? Beachwood Sparks? Iron & Wine?

maria and djdee completely OTM:
cat power in front of thousands of fraternity douches is pretty much worth the cost of admission alone.
and
This situation seems perfectly set up for me to hate anyone who has a position to argue.

― milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Monday, 28 March 2005 05:20 (twenty-one years ago)

Wow, I think all my (admittedly tiny private liberal arts school) got was some no-name Christian rock band and a lesbian folksinger or two.

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 28 March 2005 05:24 (twenty-one years ago)

this is my favorite part:

"SPEC Concerts could learn a lot from SPEC Connaissance -- which recently announced Martin Sheen will be speaking at Penn -- about what appeals to students "

so what they could learn is that students like old people, except when they're musicians?

― Al (sitcom), Monday, 28 March 2005 06:01 (twenty-one years ago)

how far is UPenn from Baltimore. I might go to this! probably the closest to me that SY will play this year.

― Al (sitcom), Monday, 28 March 2005 06:02 (twenty-one years ago)

about 1.5 hours from baltimore. not far at all.

― blackmail.is.my.life (blackmail.is.my.life), Monday, 28 March 2005 06:06 (twenty-one years ago)

cool! I'm there. maybe.

― Al (sitcom), Monday, 28 March 2005 06:14 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh shit which is funnier?:

"Go see the show. In 1990, we had Jerry Seinfeld who no one heard of and he was amazing. That year we also had Meatloaf right before his comeback."

"I compare them [SY] to Ace-of-Base, an afterthought, almost a novelty act.....and now I hear Dartmouth gets Robert Randolph AND Talib Kwali? I thought we had more pride than that."

― Dr. Gene Scott (shinybeast), Monday, 28 March 2005 07:22 (twenty-one years ago)

Students Against Sonic Youth!

― sundar subramanian (sundar), Monday, 28 March 2005 07:34 (twenty-one years ago)

Dude, we got stuck with Otis Day & the Knights.

― Douglas (Douglas), Monday, 28 March 2005 07:38 (twenty-one years ago)

My school got Naughty by Nature freshman year! Coolest shit ever! They got mad cuz some fratnerdity stole their banner. They were great live though.

― djdee (djdee2005), Monday, 28 March 2005 08:02 (twenty-one years ago)

Spoon played at Rice my senior year, way back when in '97. I enjoyed the show and the copy of the Soft Effects EP that I picked up afterwards, but the band kinda dropped off my radar for a few years after that.

― John Fredland (jfredland), Monday, 28 March 2005 08:30 (twenty-one years ago)

Cat Power should never be played or (especially) play at a party.

― shookout (shookout), Monday, 28 March 2005 11:50 (twenty-one years ago)

Also, these kids seem really spoiled.

― shookout (shookout), Monday, 28 March 2005 12:02 (twenty-one years ago)

Best post:
Haha. "Who are they? I've never heard of them before?" I've never heard of you before either, but you don't see me complaining to a newspaper about it. Sonic Youth are pretty huge, not an "Underground Punk Rock" band. Maybe if Brother Inferior or Skitsystem or something was playing, that phrase could be justified. And by the way, why do you guys feel that you "deserve" a bigger name? You pay to go to college to get an education, not to see bands, you should be happy with what you have. You don't deserve anything

― joseph cotten (joseph cotten), Monday, 28 March 2005 12:36 (twenty-one years ago)

i got stuck with... no one! my college didnt have extracurricular activity organizations and we werent allowed to have concerts on campus [aside from the ones put on by the school of performing arts].

penn kids ARE spoiled, but then again most ivy league folks are. i mean, you dont pay all that money for an education, its for the privilege.

you're a funny one.

― maria tessa sciarrino (theoreticalgirl), Monday, 28 March 2005 13:31 (twenty-one years ago)

also: apologies to the ivy league alumni here -- you folks dont suck.

― maria tessa sciarrino (theoreticalgirl), Monday, 28 March 2005 13:38 (twenty-one years ago)

SUBOG-sponsored shows during my brief stint @ UConn (12 years ago): Arrested Development; Violent Femmes; Rusted Root

WHUS-sponsored shows during my brief stint @ UConn (12 years ago): Fugazi & Shudder to Think; Velocity Girl & Magic Hour; Archers of Loaf; Dambuilders

Bless you, WHUS. (Even if I didn't go to the Fugazi show.)

― David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 28 March 2005 13:41 (twenty-one years ago)

the best post starts "i asked my punk-informed friend..." - that seems to be the only really open-minded post to me. WTF? sonic youth fans hate "drop it like it's hot"? laaaaaame.

― peter smith (plsmith), Monday, 28 March 2005 14:03 (twenty-one years ago)

I think it is situations like this that create corny indie fuxx.

― J (Jay), Monday, 28 March 2005 14:05 (twenty-one years ago)

It would be awesome if they did the silverware-in-the-strings stuff.

― Jimmy Mod Has Returned With Spices And Silks (ModJ), Monday, 28 March 2005 14:27 (twenty-one years ago)

They should play NYC Ghosts and Flowers in its entirety as punishment for the students' comments.

― cdwill, Monday, 28 March 2005 14:41 (twenty-one years ago)

One of our spring weekends was headlined by John Cafferty and the Beaver Brown Band.

― mcd (mcd), Monday, 28 March 2005 15:09 (twenty-one years ago)

Sonic Youth played on campus for a whole lotta $$$ in '98. They treated it as a tour warm-up and only played songs from the unreleased A Thousand Leaves. They seemed to think they'd be cheesing off the PSU mainstream but the jocks loved it cuz it was loud, the hippies were grooving off the hits of sunshine and it was their fans that stood around going "uhhh...the Diamond Sea? Anything?" I had a promo copy of the album so I dug it. I kinda wonder if spending a kajill on SY is just asking for a standoffish gig.

― miccio (miccio), Monday, 28 March 2005 15:17 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm dying here. Talib Kweli (who is playing on Saturday) is the best thing our Programming Board has brought in recent memory, and even he's dropped off of late! Before that we've had Maroon 5, Dashboard Confessional, and OAR. Kill me, but first abolish our programming board

x^xpost poortheatre: Are you on NYU PB?

― i am nervous (cochere), Monday, 28 March 2005 15:20 (twenty-one years ago)

Haha- when I was at Stanford we had Toad the Wet Sprocket. Now that was pathetic.

― o. nate (onate), Monday, 28 March 2005 15:22 (twenty-one years ago)

God that Thousand Leaves tour was BORING and craptastic. The whole album, in order! It was like watching karoake.

In 96/97, my university choose Sass Jordan & Trooper over Sloan. I have no right to complain.

― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Monday, 28 March 2005 15:29 (twenty-one years ago)

Craziness, Noodles! I saw SY on that tour @ Smith (before, or just after, the album came out), & it was fantastic! Granted, I hadn't heard the album before the show, but, still, WOOOOOOOOOOO!

― David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 28 March 2005 15:35 (twenty-one years ago)

yeah but that's the hometown gig!

― miccio (miccio), Monday, 28 March 2005 15:40 (twenty-one years ago)

WOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

― David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 28 March 2005 15:41 (twenty-one years ago)

The album had been out for about half a year at that point, and to make matters worse it was done as played on the album. I had more fun watching their kid on the side of the stage with industrial headphones on. She showed more energy then the band combined until the encore.

― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Monday, 28 March 2005 15:49 (twenty-one years ago)

i saw sonic youth on their recent tour and they were pretty on -- excellent stage presence, good setlist. less penn kids just means more room for me.

― maria tessa sciarrino (theoreticalgirl), Monday, 28 March 2005 15:52 (twenty-one years ago)

Everyone I was with thought Steve Shelley should have gotten the majority of the money from our gig. Dude was on.

(two uses of "on" in the past tense x-post!)

― miccio (miccio), Monday, 28 March 2005 15:54 (twenty-one years ago)

I compare them [SY] to Ace-of-Base, an afterthought, almost a novelty act.....and now I hear Dartmouth gets Robert Randolph AND Talib Kwali? I thought we had more pride than that.

???

― sleep (sleep), Monday, 28 March 2005 16:08 (twenty-one years ago)

stereolab ain't no $10k, nor is sy $25k - unless their agents wanna hose dumb college kidz (precisely what's happening).

― hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 28 March 2005 16:33 (twenty-one years ago)

or, maybe more precisely, want to suckle at bloated ivy league entertainment budgets.

― Hurlothrumbo (hurlothrumbo), Monday, 28 March 2005 16:35 (twenty-one years ago)

hstencil: i know stereolab were 10K in philly last time around at the troc, for a fact.

― maria tessa sciarrino (theoreticalgirl), Monday, 28 March 2005 16:37 (twenty-one years ago)

the RZA headlining princeton lawnparties was pretty messy...thankfully there was free beer. go ivy league state!

― irrigation can save your people (irrigation can save your peopl), Monday, 28 March 2005 16:41 (twenty-one years ago)

as a graduate student at penn and a regular poster here, i have to repost my ranting response to the DP editorially that started "So what is your favorite Cat Power song? Oh, you don't know who they are?"

My rant in it's entirety:

these performers are hardly esoteric...pretty standard fare for anyone who gives two shits about popular music. anyway, it doesn't take an idiot to figure out that large scale collegiate concerts are a mistake to begin with. pop-music philistines will always resent decent line-ups while failing to realize that the bands they'd like to hear are too busy selling out stadiums and amphitheaters to bother with putting on a private concert for Penn students.

as the author of the editorial can't figure out that a crowd-pleasing concert of the sort he craves is untenable at Penn (even though there was a DP article covering exactly why it is impossible published several months ago), i suspect he is even more worthless than an idiot: the sort of person that will move from his fraternity house right out to the suburbs upon graduation where he can live out the remainder of his proudly unexamined life.
(just imagine listening to Linkin Park on your humvee's kickin' bose stereo...i bet it will sound soooo awesome. it's out there... just waiting for you... dumb-ass.)

vocab review
philistine: A smug, ignorant, especially middle-class person who is regarded as being indifferent or antagonistic to artistic and cultural values. (does this describe you?)

― mono.mono (mono.mono), Monday, 28 March 2005 17:00 (twenty-one years ago)

so I came a little unhinged maybe, but the whole affair is so irritatin'. i think that Penn had the Roots last year which only reminded me of the time that the Pharcyde played a similarly large-spring concert at my alma mater and opened with their song "Jiggaboo Time."

This song features the lyric: "When you're rappin' for the white man/it's jigaboo time/it's jiggaboo time."

At least Sonic Youth and Cat Power vs. Penn keeps it all in the family...the hipsters vs. squares in whiteyville.

(which is not to say that there aren't non-caucasian students at Penn, but their numbers are egregiously small.)

― mono.mono (mono.mono), Monday, 28 March 2005 17:12 (twenty-one years ago)

hurlo, you guys should try to play at penn next year!

― peter smith (plsmith), Monday, 28 March 2005 17:14 (twenty-one years ago)

if out hud plays they can stay at my apartment.

― mono.mono (mono.mono), Monday, 28 March 2005 17:16 (twenty-one years ago)

if stereolab is more expensive now that mary hansen's dead, that sucks.

― hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 28 March 2005 17:29 (twenty-one years ago)

This band fucking blows. They're a bunch of washed up losers. If SPEC was going to hire these clowns why didn't they just go and get the cast of the surreal life...they're just as washed up and just as bad. If they really wanted to get a good non hip-hop band what's wrong with Jimmy Eat World, Saves the Day, The Format, & Taking Back Sunday????

Personally you couldn't pay me to watch Sonic Youth. I'll definitely be going to the Jimmy Eat World/Taking Back Sunday/The Format show on 4/15 at the Tweeter Center in Camden.

― Simon H. (Simon H.), Monday, 28 March 2005 18:07 (twenty-one years ago)

Erm, not me. Quotation marks are good.

― Simon H. (Simon H.), Monday, 28 March 2005 18:08 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah, Peter, if we can get on that gravy train, why not, heh heh. I don't think it's in the cards, though.

― Hurlothrumbo (hurlothrumbo), Monday, 28 March 2005 18:24 (twenty-one years ago)

wow, man. my school got shit like Maestro Fresh Wes (if you have any idea of who that is, holla)

― ken taylrr (ken taylrr), Monday, 28 March 2005 18:33 (twenty-one years ago)

We had Guster one year. (Okay, we also had Run DMC, but that's what going to school in da Bronx does for ya.)

― Je4nne ƒury (Jeanne Fury), Monday, 28 March 2005 19:02 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't think there were ever any good bands at my school. But the sad thing is, SY is really only good live if you have their most recent album memorized. I respect their refusal to do Greatest Hits sets, but I've seen them twice and been bored both times. "Yay, another song I don't recognize."

― Lyra Jane (Lyra Jane), Monday, 28 March 2005 19:19 (twenty-one years ago)

Huh? They played tons of old stuff on both the Murray Street and NYC G&F tours. I think all their albums were represented.

― sundar subramanian (sundar), Monday, 28 March 2005 19:54 (twenty-one years ago)

huh? i saw sonic youth in november [or october, whatever] and they played a lot of old and new stuff:

http://www.magnetmagazine.com/live/livesonicyouth.html

― maria tessa sciarrino (theoreticalgirl), Monday, 28 March 2005 20:03 (twenty-one years ago)

huh? i saw sonic youth in late summer and they played a lot of old and new stuff:

http://www.magnetmagazine.com/live/livesonicyouth.html

― maria tessa sciarrino (theoreticalgirl), Monday, 28 March 2005 20:03 (twenty-one years ago)

damn. i guess i didnt catch my error! can a moderator delete the first post? thanks.

― maria tessa sciarrino (theoreticalgirl), Monday, 28 March 2005 20:05 (twenty-one years ago)

yeah, they've definitely been better about balancing the new with old on recent tours. it's kind of my theory that the reason Murray St. and NYCG&F were such short albums is because they knew they'd want to play all the new stuff but didn't want it to dominate the set like it did for the ATL tour. of course, Nurse was longer, but when I saw them last year they left out a few songs and made room for more hits.

― Al (sitcom), Monday, 28 March 2005 20:17 (twenty-one years ago)

doesn't every college have minor controversies like this no matter who they book for the big spring/fall concerts? and inevitably columnists and letters to the school paper jump into the fray, it's hilarious.

in my freshman year (2000), Outkast AND Ludacris played my school, but most of the concerts since then have been relatively minor college-friendly hip hop like The Roots and Cee-Lo and people always bitch.

― Al (sitcom), Monday, 28 March 2005 20:20 (twenty-one years ago)

people always bitch about everything booking-wise, yeah. i'm still apologizing to people because jeru's guarantee was $15k and we couldn't afford it (much less limo from poughkeepsie, backstage rider requests, etc.).

― hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 28 March 2005 20:38 (twenty-one years ago)

Huh, maybe things have changed recently. I saw them once in 1995 and once in 2002 (I think, it was when they toured with Wilco), and both times the set seemed at least 3/4 new.

― Lyra Jane (Lyra Jane), Monday, 28 March 2005 21:39 (twenty-one years ago)

my campus radio station is supposedly trying to get together a show featuring the Clipse and Ying Yang Twins. I will shit a gold statue in the shape of Steve Urkel if they pull it off.

― miccio (miccio), Monday, 28 March 2005 21:43 (twenty-one years ago)

reading some of those anti-sonic youth posts is just totally bewildering. this dude, for example:

sonic youth [...] was in the midst of the grunge era but not nearly as influential as the other bands. they are, and will be remembered as a band that fit in with the times but didn't break much ground on their own, much like soundgarden and bush (who i wouldn't mind seeing). nirvana is very influential but just because they are, and sonic youth came out before them and they are relatively the same genre, you can't say that sonic youth is as influential as nirvana. that's blasphemy! (it goes on like this.)

sure dude, bush is in the same ballpark (league, even!) as sonic youth. just keep telling yourself that.

(so is this show open to the public? if so, i'm there, but it doesn't look they'll let the unwashed masses in.)

― spasticheritage, Monday, 28 March 2005 23:43 (twenty-one years ago)

time for me to find facebook group

― BOATPEOPLEHATEFUCK (ex machina), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 00:03 (twenty-one years ago)

http://upenn.thefacebook.com/group_profile.php?gid=3910
http://upenn.thefacebook.com/group_profile.php?gid=3940

Cool Kids Like Sonic Youth has 56 members. [ see all of them ]
Students against Sonic Youth has 148 members. [ see all of them ]

― BOATPEOPLEHATEFUCK (ex machina), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 00:05 (twenty-one years ago)

Announcement
Joe Gross and myself are seeing a REAL Spring Fling Show, Widespread Panic at the Tower Theatre. We should boycott this spring fling show and try to get tickets to Panic if you can. Also RAQ is playing the night of this shitty show. The concert choice won't ruin fling but it was something I was looking forward to. Search for alternatives to this shitty mixture of Velvet Underground and Weezer (not to demean the names of those bands)

― BOATPEOPLEHATEFUCK (ex machina), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 00:06 (twenty-one years ago)

http://upenn.thefacebook.com/story.php?gid=3910¢ral=&id=2914

― BOATPEOPLEHATEFUCK (ex machina), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 00:08 (twenty-one years ago)

Zachary Moscow (UPenn) wrote at 12:31am March 21st, 2005:
bryan, you are one of the most pathetic people i've ever been in contact with. http://www.phantasytour.com/bisco/boards_thread.cgi?threadID=663727&page=1 on this link, bryan not only attacked joe gross, one of the administrators of this group, but he posted joe's personal information. members of his disco biscuits fan club proceeded to further harass other penn students like rachel aresty, who only said that she wanted to see snoop doog. what's wrong with snoop dogg? i don't know. you and your disco biscuit friends are douchebags, bryan graham. i am honestly shocked that someone would stoop that low over something as insignificant as a facebook group. grow up.

― BOATPEOPLEHATEFUCK (ex machina), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 00:09 (twenty-one years ago)

i'm trying to get tickets to this through my girlfriend, who's in a grad program, but might be able to finagle two (two per penn card!)

i just want to walk around campus with my tape recorder and ask students to flip out about this. it would be an excuse for me to cross broad street!

― blackmail.is.my.life (blackmail.is.my.life), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 00:13 (twenty-one years ago)

it seems like most of the "upset people" are jam band wankers!

― BOATPEOPLEHATEFUCK (ex machina), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 00:18 (twenty-one years ago)

BPHF be OTM.

scene two, enter "bride of jam band wanker":

http://www.dailypennsylvanian.com/vnews/display.v/ART/423e7d535a3d3?in_archive=1

i'd like to point out that this was a cover story for the DP...

(i suppose it beats "Residence Hall Besieged with Plumbing Woes" for entertainment value.)

― mono.mono (mono.mono), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 03:08 (twenty-one years ago)

mono mono, i thought that story about the plumbing was awesome! development needs to work that angle when hitting up people for money.

― maria tessa sciarrino (theoreticalgirl), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 03:25 (twenty-one years ago)

lots of jam band wankers are big sonic youth fans

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 03:37 (twenty-one years ago)

overheard in the other room, while a class was on break:

"sonic youth havent put anything out in years"
"im gonna go see interpol instead"

seriously, who the fuck is feeding america's youth this information?

― maria tessa sciarrino (theoreticalgirl), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 19:10 (twenty-one years ago)

spin magazine.

― Ian John50n (orion), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 19:25 (twenty-one years ago)

I'd almost agree except Spin did a big interview w/Thurston last year

― Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 19:26 (twenty-one years ago)

For a clueless audience, nothiing topped the 2000 tour with Pearl Jam. Talk about a mismatch. When Kim did her crazy "Kool Thing" dance, two long-haired Creedheads mumbled, "Who's that crazy bitch?"

― Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 19:29 (twenty-one years ago)

maybe spin forgot about the beck/thurston/tom surgal cassette on freedom from: "kill any/all spin personnel." xpost to matos.

― Ian John50n (orion), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 19:36 (twenty-one years ago)

I remember a friend told me in 1995 that a friend of his had gone to Lollapalooza and saw "some stupid band with this chick in it." guess who?

― Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 19:39 (twenty-one years ago)

Hole?

― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 19:51 (twenty-one years ago)

Avril!?

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 19:58 (twenty-one years ago)

OK, who wants a ticket to this thing? They go onsale 4/4. Let me know.

― maria tessa sciarrino (theoreticalgirl), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 20:03 (twenty-one years ago)

haha, should've wrote "at the end he saw . . . "

― Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 20:06 (twenty-one years ago)

Sinead?!

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 20:08 (twenty-one years ago)

Nico!

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 20:10 (twenty-one years ago)

are tix only being sold to students and/or locally, maria? if so, then yeah, I might make a request w/ you by 4/4, if I decide to go.

― Al (sitcom), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 20:11 (twenty-one years ago)

Sonic Youth fail to rock. Ergo kids who want to rock will hate on Sonic Youth. Why is this funny or surprising?

― Good Dog (Good Dog), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 20:12 (twenty-one years ago)

when is it?

― roxymuzak (roxymuzak), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 20:14 (twenty-one years ago)

sometimes kids who like to rock also want to skronk

― Al (sitcom), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 20:14 (twenty-one years ago)

My freshman year, we had a double-bill of Figures On A Beach and De La Soul. My senior year, we had G-Love and Special Sauce.

Guess which one was better?

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 20:17 (twenty-one years ago)

being from Minneapolis, I feel your pain, Dan. (btw I heard "Cold Beverage" for the first time in ages the other day at a Seattle coffeeshop. yep, still suxorz.)

― Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 20:27 (twenty-one years ago)

I really hope Chan Marshall treats the crowd to one of her infuriating, halting, awful cioncerts. That'll go over well. Imagine the outrage!

― shookout (shookout), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 20:32 (twenty-one years ago)

Hmm. Mizzou had Mission of Burma last year, but I don't remember the student body complaining. (Though I bet they did in the school paper. "Who the hell are they? Isn't it Myanmar now?")

College spring shows are so strange. One year at Rutgers, we got Allan Holdsworth opening for the Ramones. But we also got REM's Preconstruction tour my freshman year, and it was all good - even the jocks didn't complain.

― mike a, Tuesday, 29 March 2005 20:38 (twenty-one years ago)

Cat Power should have a nicely polarizing effect on the student body. One group of students won't shut up until well after finals about "that crazy bitch who wouldn't get off the stage;" the other group will feel smugly superior to the group #1, irrespective of whether they actually enjoyed the set.

― mike a, Tuesday, 29 March 2005 20:44 (twenty-one years ago)

anyone remember lollapalooza '04? why the surprise?

― irrigation can save your people (irrigation can save your peopl), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 20:45 (twenty-one years ago)

tickets can only be purchased with a valid penncard. this year they're not limiting the amount of tickets one can buy.

― maria tessa sciarrino (theoreticalgirl), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 20:47 (twenty-one years ago)

no limit! ooo hot diggity! we can make bank scalping...oh, wait a minute...

NOW don't you almost wish it were snoop dog?! (heehee)

― mono.mono (mono.mono), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 21:59 (twenty-one years ago)

oh...and if anyone really wants to go but isn't a Penn student, I'd like to remind them that Miss Philadelphia also carries a Penn card.

sounds like she may need a date considering:

"I don't have time to go out on Wednesday night and Thursday night like many Penn students," she said.

― mono.mono (mono.mono), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 22:03 (twenty-one years ago)

hey maria: i think the website said that it's two per penncard - can you forward the url to me?

― blackmail.is.my.life (blackmail.is.my.life), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 22:06 (twenty-one years ago)

I always chuckle when I think of Yo La Tengo with Chico DeBarge at one of these college shows. Columbia did an outdoor show with Outkast on the Stankonia tour a few summers back I snuck into, wow that was insane (my school got the Hooters).

― Brian Turner (btwfmu), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 03:50 (twenty-one years ago)

They should've booked Merzbow.

― latebloomer: AKA Sir Teddy Ruxpin, Former Scientologist (latebloomer), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 03:52 (twenty-one years ago)

Personally you couldn't pay me to watch Sonic Youth. I'll definitely be going to the Jimmy Eat World/Taking Back Sunday/The Format show on 4/15 at the Tweeter Center in Camden.

fuck SPEC
Occupation: student
Location: penn

― latebloomer: AKA Sir Teddy Ruxpin, Former Scientologist (latebloomer), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 03:57 (twenty-one years ago)

SPEC FAILED MISERABLY. To correct that alum, sonic youth (kind of funny that a bunch of old losers still call themselves "youth") was in the midst of the grunge era but not nearly as influential as the other bands. they are, and will be remembered as a band that fit in with the times but didn't break much ground on their own, much like soundgarden and bush (who i wouldn't mind seeing). nirvana is very influential but just because they are, and sonic youth came out before them and they are relatively the same genre, you can't say that sonic youth is as influential as nirvana. that's blasphemy! also, you can't call sonic youth a real underground band. underground usually means that a band never was mainstream and doesn't strive to be. sonic youth on the other hand tried to market themselves as mainstream and failed, so their characterization as "underground" means "can't sell tickets because they are a bunch of losers". I'm not pissed because I haven't heard of the bands like a lot of people. I'm pissed because I have heard of the bands and they suck. Quite frankly, i'm very jealous that other schools opted for bands that people know about. Instead, our co-director, the "honorable" Tom Kurland even says "I don't care if people haven't heard of the bands" which translates to "I don't care if people want to come and have a good time."
Way to do your job asshole.

Andy
Occupation: Musician

― latebloomer: AKA Sir Teddy Ruxpin, Former Scientologist (latebloomer), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 04:00 (twenty-one years ago)

Fuck Tom Kurland. He is a giant piece of shit. I too will be at the Jimmy Eat world concert. What a major disappointment my senior year. The only semi-decent fling was freshman year when we had luckyboys confusion and pete yorn. SPEC continually disappoints each year.

pissed off
Occupation: student
Location: philadelphia

― latebloomer: AKA Sir Teddy Ruxpin, Former Scientologist (latebloomer), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 04:05 (twenty-one years ago)

i'm going. anyone else here FAP beforehand/afterword to discuss our favorite moments?

this may prove amazing.

― blackmail.is.my.life (blackmail.is.my.life), Tuesday, 12 April 2005 15:36 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm going! thanks to Maria for securing me a ticket. I'd be up for a FAP.

― Al (sitcom), Tuesday, 12 April 2005 17:20 (twenty-one years ago)

best line from the comments:

You don't deserve anything

― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Tuesday, 12 April 2005 17:57 (twenty-one years ago)

should I make a sign to bring or scrawl a pro- (or anti-)SY message on my shirt?

― Al (sitcom), Tuesday, 12 April 2005 18:00 (twenty-one years ago)

i'm curious as to how belligerent the crowd will actually be - i can't see undergrads attending the gig in protest. from the sound of it they'll just go to whatever else "the market will provide".

thing is, the last time i saw SY was when they opened for Wilco at Philly's Festival Pier. there were about 5,000 or so people in attendance, and it was a dead silence throughout SY's set - and they were amazing, not that really anyone noticed!

i guess any FAP plans will be in the Univ. City area, and i'm not all that familiar - it's generally too far west for me. you're from baltimore, right? email me and we'll figure out where you're meeting maria and go from there.

― blackmail.is.my.life (blackmail.is.my.life), Tuesday, 12 April 2005 18:06 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.dailypennsylvanian.com/vnews/display.v/ART/2005/04/12/425b6a13d5d4a

it got moved to the tweeter! because of cat power...and facebook! whoopee!

― blackmail.is.my.life (blackmail.is.my.life), Tuesday, 12 April 2005 18:44 (twenty-one years ago)

In fact, many students have begun to call for SPEC Concerts to switch Cat Power to the lead role in the concert, as thefacebook.com group "Switch Cat Power to the Lead Role in the Concert" now has 9,945 members. Only four undergraduates are absent from the group: the three SPEC directors, as well as a College freshman T. B. Mice who is blind and deaf.

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 12 April 2005 18:48 (twenty-one years ago)

Huntington noted that ticket sales from last week have doubled, although he added that only 12 tickets were sold last week. Organizers, however, are hoping for sales to jump in the next two days and to see many at-the-door sales.

???

― miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 12 April 2005 18:49 (twenty-one years ago)

Sonic Youth did find support in College sophomore Athena Karp.

"I wouldn't really say I'm a fan," she said, "I downloaded a Sonic Youth song, but I might not go anymore because getting caught by the RIAA was a big downer. I guess it wasn't hard to find the one person downloading Sonic Youth."

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 12 April 2005 18:49 (twenty-one years ago)

omg we sold 36 tickets BOOK THE TWEETER!!!

(X-post)

― miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 12 April 2005 18:49 (twenty-one years ago)

oh i get it: it's penn's way of saying april fool's. oops.

― blackmail.is.my.life (blackmail.is.my.life), Tuesday, 12 April 2005 18:50 (twenty-one years ago)

hahaha I am so confused now

― miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 12 April 2005 18:51 (twenty-one years ago)

Am I the only person in the world (other than of UPenn students) who doesn't care about Sonic Youth?

― Mark (MarkR), Tuesday, 12 April 2005 18:55 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.dailypennsylvanian.com/vnews/display.v/ART/425b6bb2ab29a

no, richard-san. i think it's a fascinating sociology capstone project to subject sonic youth to penn undergraduates. i for one am thrilled. throw open the laboratory doors!

i wish they published actual numbers of tickets sold. i'd like to see sonic youth with like 40 other people.

― blackmail.is.my.life (blackmail.is.my.life), Tuesday, 12 April 2005 18:57 (twenty-one years ago)

NYU is bringing wolf eyes tomorrow night for two bucks!!!
Our program board= SO NOIZE!!!!!!!

― rebecca s (rebecca S), Tuesday, 12 April 2005 19:09 (twenty-one years ago)

Sonic Youth headlined our annual festival in '98. Rusted Root headlines this year. WTF.

― miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 12 April 2005 19:13 (twenty-one years ago)

This years lineup includes Rusted Root as the headliner, the event also includes Future Leaders of the World, Suburban Legends, Head Automatica, and David McMillin!.

The STA Side stage bands include Felix Sarco, Idiosympathy and Kairos; In addition to the top three winners of the Battle of the Bands which include A.I. Inc, Dragon Slayer, and Tokyo Vertigo.

― miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 12 April 2005 19:14 (twenty-one years ago)

Evidently Dan The Automator might be in Head Automatica. That's kind of cool.

also from the site: And David is not your average songwriter. He sings with the passion of Howie Day one minute, then the calm ease of Jack Johnson another and is lyrically as capable as either of the two.

― miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 12 April 2005 19:16 (twenty-one years ago)

David McMillin = John Mayer?

― blackmail.is.my.life (blackmail.is.my.life), Tuesday, 12 April 2005 19:20 (twenty-one years ago)

I wish! He's lyrically SUPERIOR! What with the wonderlands and the daughters everything.

― miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 12 April 2005 19:22 (twenty-one years ago)

downright MANCURIAN! xpost

― blackmail.is.my.life (blackmail.is.my.life), Tuesday, 12 April 2005 19:24 (twenty-one years ago)

we're getting eightball & mjg and lil scrappy.

― j blount (papa la bas), Tuesday, 12 April 2005 19:26 (twenty-one years ago)

the Clipse & that one dude from Da Band in may (though that's our radio station not the festival board or whatever - we couldn't get YY Twins after all, thank you very much whisper song)!

― miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 12 April 2005 19:28 (twenty-one years ago)

Yikes.. i feel really lucky for UC Irvine.. we had, since I've been there:

* Cocteau Twins/Galaxie 500
* Sonic Youth (not that STP)
* Bauhaus reunion show (the last one before Coachella)
* Melvins
* Rodan/The Grifters
* Royal Trux/Trumans Water/Nothing Painted Blue/Shoe Face
* Unrest/Stereolab/Idaho
* Scrawl
* Poster Children
* Fastbacks
* Tsunami
* Drive Like Jehu/NAPO
* Hazel
* Mike Watt/fIREHOSE (way too many times to mention)
* Bikini Kill/Red Aunts
* Rocket From The Crypt/Red Aunts/Sandy Duncan's Eye
* Foo Fighters/Ween/Jawbreaker

Shows that were cancelled because of potential riots and/or conflicts with finals

* Green Day
* Unwound/Crain

and that's just a part of the top of my head there.

― donut debonair (donut), Tuesday, 12 April 2005 21:20 (twenty-one years ago)

UC Irvine ROXXX! that's dope, donutmeister.

― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Tuesday, 12 April 2005 21:24 (twenty-one years ago)

well gawd, in the decade I've lived here I've caught Helmet, GBV, Luna, Hum, Sonic Youth, Drive-By Truckers, Bubba Sparxxx, Wilco, Apples In Stereo, Dismemberment Plan, Joan Of Arc, RL Burnside, The Donnas, Jonathan Fire*Eater and a gaggle of others for free on campus. And plenty of complete shit. A lot of complete shit.

― miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 12 April 2005 21:28 (twenty-one years ago)

ILX's very own Shakey screams "YOU FUCK HER!" at that very Sonic Youth show above, captured on the "Dirty Boots" B-side live tracks.

― donut debonair (donut), Tuesday, 12 April 2005 21:32 (twenty-one years ago)

Wesleyan U. Fall Ball 1995: Hatchetface, Ulcer, Monster X, Devoid of Faith, Human Remains, the Pist, Dropdead.
Wesleyan U. Spring Fling 1996: Das FX, T-Roy & the Vibe, Candy Machine, Franklin.

― Tony Bleach, Tuesday, 12 April 2005 21:35 (twenty-one years ago)

ILX's very own Shakey screams "YOU FUCK HER!" at that very Sonic Youth show above, captured on the "Dirty Boots" B-side live tracks.

-- donut debonair (do...), April 12th, 2005.

haha I know exactly what you're referring to! on the intro to "The Bedroom"! that's awesome!

― Al (sitcom), Tuesday, 12 April 2005 21:56 (twenty-one years ago)

NYU is bringing wolf eyes tomorrow night for two bucks!!!
Our program board= SO NOIZE!!!!!!!

Our program board = fucking lazy.

What happened to you guys? Last year we had Liars and Broken Social Scene and this year we had Wolf Eyes and...? [i'm still going]

― poortheatre (poortheatre), Wednesday, 13 April 2005 00:19 (twenty-one years ago)

the Clipse & that one dude from Da Band in may (though that's our radio station not the festival board or whatever - we couldn't get YY Twins after all, thank you very much whisper song)!

-- miccio (anthonyisrigh...), April 12th, 2005.

which dude? Ness? Chopper?

― Al (sitcom), Wednesday, 13 April 2005 00:31 (twenty-one years ago)

Ness, I think.

― miccio (miccio), Wednesday, 13 April 2005 01:10 (twenty-one years ago)

HANG GLIDE WIT IT

― Al (sitcom), Wednesday, 13 April 2005 01:15 (twenty-one years ago)

"wow, man. my school got shit like Maestro Fresh Wes (if you have any idea of who that is, holla)"

*Hollering*

my school too.

Canadian schools just ain't got the cash. i'm shocked at some of what i've seen upthread. the reactions from the Penn State kids is just one more reason to hate the Ivy League. I guess in their defence, the freshmen would have only been 3 years old when SY signed to Geffen, but that's still no excuse!

― J-rock (Julien Sandiford), Wednesday, 13 April 2005 07:23 (twenty-one years ago)

Penn most decidedly /= Penn State!

― j blount (papa la bas), Wednesday, 13 April 2005 07:34 (twenty-one years ago)

Tulane's campus programming is unbelievably lame. Last week hey had Cake play with Gomez. Next month it's Taking Back Sunday. Tulane is like the worst place on Earth, except for the baseball.

― adam (adam), Wednesday, 13 April 2005 10:47 (twenty-one years ago)

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