Let's talk about "Master Dik" by Sonic Youth

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Ok, I've done some googling and ILM searching and there doesn't appear to be much info about this song anywhere.

Is there any kind of backstory to the Gene Simmons reference here? Is Thurston taking a swipe at him, or is he paying homage to him and Madonna ("ciccone")? And what is that Kiss sample that they use? It sounds like a slowed down version of "Strutter" ("I know [a thing or two about her]", but that's a Paul Stanley tune.

Keith C (kcraw916), Monday, 25 April 2005 13:24 (twenty years ago)

i dig the b-side boulibasse: funky fresh.

The Sensational Sulk (sexyDancer), Monday, 25 April 2005 13:31 (twenty years ago)

I gave that vinyl away to an ex I didn't even really like. It was basically a piece of garbage. I can't believe someone paid to press it. But, I'm not sure why I gave it away to someone I didn't even like.

Lemonade Salesman (Eleventy-Twelve), Monday, 25 April 2005 14:50 (twenty years ago)

I'M ON FIRE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE WOo WOO WOo I'm ON FIRE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The Sensational Sulk (sexyDancer), Monday, 25 April 2005 14:53 (twenty years ago)

Not as good as Atomizer, so don't get your hopes up, cheese.

autovac (autovac), Monday, 25 April 2005 14:53 (twenty years ago)

haha I love that 12". I prefer the version of "Master Dik" w/ live drums on the Sister reissue to the 12" w/ the drum machine, though. but all that dumb shit on the b-side is great. especially that weird loop of someone (I think Johnny Carson) saying "Ringo".

Al (sitcom), Monday, 25 April 2005 15:02 (twenty years ago)

I definitely prefer the drum machine version on the 12"...

CHI
CHI
CHI-CHI-CONEY

That B-side is also excellent as well.

I can't believe this didn't end up as bonus tracks on the Sister DGC reissue..

donut debonair (donut), Monday, 25 April 2005 15:56 (twenty years ago)

I hate that song.. it ruins Sister's flow. I so need to find the Sister gatefold LP that doesn't have Master-Dik on it.

The Brainwasher (Twilight), Monday, 25 April 2005 15:58 (twenty years ago)

I don't even remember it on Sister!

Lemonade Salesman (Eleventy-Twelve), Monday, 25 April 2005 16:01 (twenty years ago)

Let me tell you a little story about Master Dik:

When it came out, I was an absolute SY fanatic and unemployed. I got the bus uptown the day it was due in the shops, and spent six pounds of the thirty six pound benefit cheque that I had to exist on for the following two weeks on this one piece of vinyl. Just imagine my reaction when I got it back home and stuck it on the turntable. Cheers, guys!

Soukesian, Monday, 25 April 2005 16:34 (twenty years ago)

yeah - is this on the re-issue cd or something? I remember it from a single, but it's not on my SST copy of Sister...

space2k (space2k), Monday, 25 April 2005 16:35 (twenty years ago)

Yes, it's on the CD reissue.

The Brainwasher (Twilight), Monday, 25 April 2005 16:37 (twenty years ago)

ben weasel anti-indy rock rant from MMR in the shape of a crucifix.

The Sensational Sulk (sexyDancer), Monday, 25 April 2005 17:00 (twenty years ago)

I haven't heard the EP but every dumb moment of the version on Sister fills me with joy. I was just listening to the album the other day and thinking "Wow, side 2 is way more satisfying than I remember". And "Master=Dik" is a perfect coda.

But what is U&K is the question about the KISS sample. I always thought the sample was the "She's looking good" loop. So I was wrong? Which song is it from?

Sundar (sundar), Monday, 25 April 2005 20:44 (twenty years ago)

ben weasel anti-indy rock rant from MMR in the shape of a crucifix.

Ben Weasel hates measeles, mumps and rubella..

Master dik is a crap song.

Ian John50n (orion), Monday, 25 April 2005 20:47 (twenty years ago)

Kiss and Sonic Youth in miniscule fan crossover sh sh shocka

The Sensational Sulk (sexyDancer), Monday, 25 April 2005 20:47 (twenty years ago)

Was quite disappointed with this when it first came out, especially given the J Mascis appearance. If nothing else though, hooray for the b-side - the first time I ever heard the name of Sonny Sharrock.

NickB (NickB), Monday, 25 April 2005 20:59 (twenty years ago)

Am I right in remembering that this was the last SY release on Blast First? And, possibly, a contractual obligation job?

Soukesian, Monday, 25 April 2005 21:12 (twenty years ago)

It prob'ly is the last Blast First release, and it's great. I was severely confused by the failure of the tracks to match the running times listed. Better than the whole of Daydream Nation, and I'm not selling mine.

Failin Huxley (noodle vague), Monday, 25 April 2005 21:14 (twenty years ago)

They mention Sharrock on a track? I mean, he doesn't... play with them, does he?!

Sundar (sundar), Monday, 25 April 2005 21:17 (twenty years ago)

This was my fave SY record as a youth.

The Sensational Sulk (sexyDancer), Monday, 25 April 2005 21:19 (twenty years ago)

It's shit. It sounds like it was thrown together in an afternoon.

Contractual obligation. You're all kidding yourselves.

Soukesian, Monday, 25 April 2005 21:47 (twenty years ago)

I'm not kidding myself. Thrown together in an afternoon = Great.

Failin Huxley (noodle vague), Monday, 25 April 2005 21:50 (twenty years ago)

Kidding ourselves of what? Who cares if it was a contract breaker or not. It was a fun single! And it was really cheap (at the time) anyway.

donut debonair (donut), Monday, 25 April 2005 21:56 (twenty years ago)

But what is U&K is the question about the KISS sample. I always thought the sample was the "She's looking good" loop. So I was wrong? Which song is it from?

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Yeah, there's that loop, and also the "I KNOW...", both from the version of "Strutter" on 'Kiss Alive'.

jwd, Monday, 25 April 2005 23:10 (twenty years ago)

i love this song, it's so snotty!

hjk, Monday, 25 April 2005 23:38 (twenty years ago)

They mention Sharrock on a track? I mean, he doesn't... play with them, does he?!

Sundar, there's a section at the end of 'Under the Influence of the Jesus & Mary Chain' (or is it actually called 'All-Star Jam'... can't check, I sold it in 1989) which according to Google goes like this:

[Lee:] Yo Sun Ra - let's do pipeline!
[Thurston:] We got Sun Ra in the studio today ladies and gentlemen. He's gonna play guitar, he's gonna sing a song, it's called 'pipeline/killtime', and if you can deal with that...
Okay hey Max Roach is here, alright. Man we got an all star jam. Get down. Okay. This is great!
[Lee:] Holy shit it's Sonny Sharrock
[Thurston:] Alright!
[Lee:] Hey Sonny! George Benson Ladies and Gentlemen! George Benson!
[Thurston:] Yeah hello, Hello. "Down Broadway... I'm going down Broadway"

So basically, it's a rock band goof-off skit. Actually a whole chunk of the record is all skit and no rock, maybe this is another aspect of their homage to hip-hop?

NickB (NickB), Tuesday, 26 April 2005 07:04 (twenty years ago)

Am I right in remembering that this was the last SY release on Blast First? And, possibly, a contractual obligation job?

No, that's not right at all. Daydream Nation and the singles off that were the last SY records on Blast First. And there's NO WAY that that was a "contractual obligation job". Think I'm right in saying that SY had a great relationship with Blast First and don't think they left the label under any sort of acrimony. However, it was indeed their last release on SST, and everyone seems to be down on the Ginnster and his business methods, so you might actually be closer to the truth there.

NickB (NickB), Tuesday, 26 April 2005 07:11 (twenty years ago)

And it was really cheap (at the time) anyway

That true, it was £1.99 in the UK, and if someone did really spend six quid on it, no wonder they're pissed off.

NickB (NickB), Tuesday, 26 April 2005 07:14 (twenty years ago)

I traded it for a copy of "Part Of America Therein" and while I made out like a bandit I ended up buying it again in Madison, Wisconsin.

Shit is actually pretty awesome. The mouth noises on "Funky Fresh" go through my head every now and again.

Derek Erdman (Donkey King), Tuesday, 26 April 2005 08:22 (twenty years ago)

I so need to find the Sister gatefold LP that doesn't have Master-Dik on it.

If you find this as a gatefold LP, it's a bootleg.

When it came out, I was an absolute SY fanatic and unemployed. I got the bus uptown the day it was due in the shops, and spent six pounds of the thirty six pound benefit cheque that I had to exist on for the following two weeks on this one piece of vinyl. Just imagine my reaction when I got it back home and stuck it on the turntable.

Not to rub it in, but it does say on right on the jacket "Do not pay more than 2.15" pounds for it.

I was severely confused by the failure of the tracks to match the running times listed.

They do match up. The B-side is 11-minutes or whatever, and the times listed on the record tells you when, during that duration of time, the song ends/next short piece starts. Only "Our Backyard" has its own running time.

Think I'm right in saying that SY had a great relationship with Blast First and don't think they left the label under any sort of acrimony.

Having re-read some of Our Band Could Be Your Life this weekend, I can tell you they were super-pissed at Blast First for The Walls Have Ears (done without their permission), and left for Geffen upset at the way Daydream Nation was handled in the US.

I like the 12" version better than the one Sister version. "Ready to assist you, Pee-wee!"

Vic Funk, Tuesday, 26 April 2005 10:30 (twenty years ago)

Great great great track. The Flying Nun Nz press of "Sister" was a gatefold.

A Viking of Some Note (Andrew Thames), Tuesday, 26 April 2005 12:10 (twenty years ago)

I think the art's all left intact on it too

A Viking of Some Note (Andrew Thames), Tuesday, 26 April 2005 12:11 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, we had that black rectangle in the collage on copies in the UK. Remind me - what was all that about again?

NickB (NickB), Tuesday, 26 April 2005 12:12 (twenty years ago)

Copyright shit? What pic was it, the Avedon or the Disney one?

A Viking of Some Note (Andrew Thames), Tuesday, 26 April 2005 12:15 (twenty years ago)

Or this other one of a girl in I think overalls? I don't know what it is. I think I made up the Disney one's censoring, it just seems so likely.

A Viking of Some Note (Andrew Thames), Tuesday, 26 April 2005 12:24 (twenty years ago)

I think it was the girl one. They hadn't blacked it out properly, so you could squint at it and just about make it out.

NickB (NickB), Tuesday, 26 April 2005 12:30 (twenty years ago)

And by doing so ensured it'd receive the most attention of all, sharp work

A Viking of Some Note (Andrew Thames), Tuesday, 26 April 2005 12:31 (twenty years ago)

I just remembered that I do actually have a cassette dub of the EP that I haven't played in 6 or 7 years. Ha! I still love the track on Sister.

Sundar (sundar), Tuesday, 26 April 2005 12:50 (twenty years ago)

Yesterday I downloaded, listened to and trashed (because I didn't like) Murray St. and Sonic Nurse. I then perused my SY collection and noticed that I'd sold Sonic Youth s/t (shouldn't have, this was a good one), Ciccone Youth and Dirty, gave away Master Dik and treated most of my cassettes quite shabbily. Bad Moon Rising has it's magnetic tape guts sprawled all over, hanging out of the case with utter disregard, Sonic Death has xeroxed art from a Puppetmaster trading card and recorded over a War Of The Worlds radio broadcast tape. Great album, but I never seemed to care enough to get a proper recording.

Hard to believe this was once my favorite band!

However, my Lee Renaldo From Here To Infinity cassette (defeating the purpose of "lock grooves" is still in great shape! But, that's because I basically never listened to it.

I plan to get the essentials on CD. What am I missing?:

Sonic Youth s/t
Confusion Is Sex
Sister
Daydream Nation
Goo
Evol - (not sure if I care enough)
Sonic Death - (not sure if I care enough or if it's even available)

I haven't been really paying attention since around '94, so what else is essential?

Lemonade Salesman (Eleventy-Twelve), Tuesday, 26 April 2005 13:57 (twenty years ago)

Those ones you trashed

A Viking of Some Note (Andrew Thames), Tuesday, 26 April 2005 14:02 (twenty years ago)

The s/t EP on CD goes for $$$ on Ebay, or at least it did when I sold my spare copy 2 years ago (£34!! woo yeah!!) so you might be better off just downloading that...

Colonel Poo (Colonel Poo), Tuesday, 26 April 2005 14:03 (twenty years ago)

When I bought Ciccone Youth, I found the rare album for a mere $20. A year or two later it was re-issued and I could've got it for $14. I'm sure that will happen someday with the SY s/t.

Lemonade Salesman (Eleventy-Twelve), Tuesday, 26 April 2005 14:05 (twenty years ago)

So basically, it's a rock band goof-off skit.

Hardly a patch on the Bonzos' "The Intro and the Outro" methinks

Pradaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 26 April 2005 14:06 (twenty years ago)

I don't think the s/t CD has been reissued since 1987 on SST (the one I have), probably why it costs so much. I don't know why it hasn't been reissued since then since all their other stuff has been.

Colonel Poo (Colonel Poo), Tuesday, 26 April 2005 14:10 (twenty years ago)

I think SY themselves are gonna reissue it w/bonus tracks (on SYR pres)

A Viking of Some Note (Andrew Thames), Tuesday, 26 April 2005 14:11 (twenty years ago)

Hm. I'm curious about these:

Moo
12 tracks of alternate studio versions for the album "Goo". Produced by J. Mascis.

In The Fishtank - someone compared this to Sonic Death, but by the description (jazz) it doesn't seem like an appropriate comparison.

And then this just has to be interesting:
http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B0007ZSH4Y.01._SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg
String Quartet Tribute to Sonic Youth:
1. Silver Rocket    
2. Theresa's Sound World    
3. Kool Thing    
4. Candle    
5. Wish Fulfillment    
6. Unmade Bed    
7. Superstar    
8. Hoarfrost    
9. Shadow of a Doubt    
10. Little Trouble Girl

Lemonade Salesman (Eleventy-Twelve), Tuesday, 26 April 2005 14:18 (twenty years ago)

It really ruins Sister.

I liked the 12" when it came out, but I don't think I would now. Royal Tuff Titty indeed.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Tuesday, 26 April 2005 14:22 (twenty years ago)

London fuck you're pissing me of

N_RQ, Tuesday, 26 April 2005 14:31 (twenty years ago)

f

N_RQ, Tuesday, 26 April 2005 14:32 (twenty years ago)

Hollywood weirdo cough, cough, cough

The Sensational Sulk (sexyDancer), Tuesday, 26 April 2005 14:33 (twenty years ago)

"1-2, 1-2, 1-2 Teddy, I know every nook and cranny in new york city" always annoyed me.

Lemonade Salesman (Eleventy-Twelve), Tuesday, 26 April 2005 14:36 (twenty years ago)

Teddy?

NickB (NickB), Tuesday, 26 April 2005 14:39 (twenty years ago)

Freddy?

Lemonade Salesman (Eleventy-Twelve), Tuesday, 26 April 2005 14:40 (twenty years ago)

You're not telling me he says "titty" twice in the span of about 10 seconds, are you?

Lemonade Salesman (Eleventy-Twelve), Tuesday, 26 April 2005 14:41 (twenty years ago)

Go!

doh-xpost

NickB (NickB), Tuesday, 26 April 2005 14:41 (twenty years ago)

I wish I could have seen Thurston walking up the stairs and coking up the board.

The Sensational Sulk (sexyDancer), Tuesday, 26 April 2005 14:42 (twenty years ago)

trippin' everywhere i don't fucking care
put on some dark eyes and waving goodbye

Finally proof they are psychedelic hippies!

Lemonade Salesman (Eleventy-Twelve), Tuesday, 26 April 2005 14:44 (twenty years ago)

Evol is so clearly SY's all encompassing classic that my mouth is melted shut.

Plasterface Zone diet, Tuesday, 26 April 2005 14:55 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, I used to love Evol, but these days I don't get into the mood.

Lemonade Salesman (Eleventy-Twelve), Tuesday, 26 April 2005 15:06 (twenty years ago)

About Sonic Youth.. well, it's really.. well, not that great, for Sonic Youth. It sounds really dull compared to what followed... The songs aren't dull as much as the recording/production. I think the band were a bit disappointed with how it turned out. Also, Richard Edson is in the band at the time (He'd later go on to join NYC funk band Konk, and then become an actor after that), so I'm not sure if his presence on the album has anything to do with its being out of print or not, either.. Maybe. But I'd gather the band just wants to forget this release ever existed.

donut debonair (donut), Tuesday, 26 April 2005 16:06 (twenty years ago)

The live versions I've heard of "She Is Not Alone" are amazing... but the original recording? I even prefer Yugoslavian industrial/EBM group Borghesia's cover of the song compared to the original.. to give you an idea of what little momentum the stuff on that EP has.

donut debonair (donut), Tuesday, 26 April 2005 16:08 (twenty years ago)

There is a track on that compilation WAVES OF SONIC WHEAT or whatever it's called, if that means anything.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Tuesday, 26 April 2005 16:15 (twenty years ago)

Hey Donut
"I think SY themselves are gonna reissue it w/bonus tracks (on SYR pres) " (confirmed on sonicyouth.com)

Not v "let's forget", man

A Viking of Some Note (Andrew Thames), Tuesday, 26 April 2005 16:15 (twenty years ago)

Sonic Youth was very cool for the tribal drumming and distinct bass. If they really want to forget this ever existed, they might want to reconsider several of their other titles for extinction as well.

Lemonade Salesman (Eleventy-Twelve), Tuesday, 26 April 2005 16:18 (twenty years ago)

Ah, didn't see that Andrew.. Thank you.

donut debonair (donut), Tuesday, 26 April 2005 16:19 (twenty years ago)

they've been talking about a reissue of the s/t for at least 5 years now, I kinda doubt it's ever gonna happen.

also, that string quartet tribute looks awesome! maybe the only one of those i'd ever consider buying. great tracklist (although "superstar" wtf)

Al (sitcom), Tuesday, 26 April 2005 16:22 (twenty years ago)

There was also a tribute CD released recently... I just want to hear the Racebannon cover of "Death Valley 69"... is there anything else on it that's good?

donut debonair (donut), Tuesday, 26 April 2005 16:26 (twenty years ago)

About Sonic Youth.. well, it's really.. well, not that great, for Sonic Youth.

boooooo. the s/t is different but it's still very good and not all that different from confusion is sex except more melodic and less noisy. i have the sst cassette version and it has all the songs on side 1 and then side 2 is side 1 played backwards!

Amon (eman), Tuesday, 26 April 2005 16:28 (twenty years ago)

I doubt the s/t reissue's gonna happen either, I just wish it would.

A Viking of Some Note (Andrew Thames), Tuesday, 26 April 2005 16:30 (twenty years ago)

it has all the songs on side 1 and then side 2 is side 1 played backwards!

that is a great idea and I bet it actually sounds cool, too, given the sounds on that album, anyway!

Lemonade Salesman (Eleventy-Twelve), Tuesday, 26 April 2005 16:34 (twenty years ago)

they were playing Burning Spear live quite a bit seven years ago

The Sensational Sulk (sexyDancer), Tuesday, 26 April 2005 16:41 (twenty years ago)

it does sound good. an old roommate had it on cd and it didn't have that, so i guess it's only on the tape. also the titles are printed in mirror-reverse on that side.

i like how young they sound on it, and that one song where kim hisses "sssshit... fucking youth.... working youth"

Amon (eman), Tuesday, 26 April 2005 16:42 (twenty years ago)

xpost

Amon (eman), Tuesday, 26 April 2005 16:42 (twenty years ago)

I will say that the one song from s/t that's in print ("I Dreamed I Dream" on the Screaming Fields comp) is probably the best thing on it. still, I like it enough that I'd buy a reissue. I'd far prefer a reissue of Sonic Death, though.

Al (sitcom), Tuesday, 26 April 2005 17:40 (twenty years ago)

Sonic Death is great. I don't even mind the pointless conversation about McDonald's etc. because the recording is rough enough that it sounds like the music sort of almost. Sonic Youth could've used an editor, though.

Lemonade Salesman (Eleventy-Twelve), Tuesday, 26 April 2005 17:46 (twenty years ago)

yeah I'd love a deluxe remastered re-edited Sonic Death. I mean it sounds great on cassette all grainy and messy but if they reiussed it on CD i'd want the tracks broken up and stuff.

Al (sitcom), Tuesday, 26 April 2005 17:51 (twenty years ago)

I'm not a huge fan of pre-Shelley SY anyway, and for me Sonic Death > everything else of that era (except maybe Kill Yr Idols EP or a few tracks on Bad Moon Rising)

Al (sitcom), Tuesday, 26 April 2005 17:52 (twenty years ago)

"Sonic Youth Swans Jam Fest"

The Sensational Sulk (sexyDancer), Tuesday, 26 April 2005 17:52 (twenty years ago)

They do match up. The B-side is 11-minutes or whatever, and the times listed on the record tells you when, during that duration of time, the song ends/next short piece starts. Only "Our Backyard" has its own running time.

I've just dug my copy out and by criminy I understand what you mean now. This has confused me for what, 15/16 years?

Failin Huxley (noodle vague), Tuesday, 26 April 2005 18:04 (twenty years ago)

SY s/t RULES...it's so Branca...it sounds like Ascension with vocals.

I wish the Sonic Death CD was broken up, instead of just 2 long tracks.

ddb (ddb), Tuesday, 26 April 2005 18:16 (twenty years ago)

get freaky with protools, dude.

The Sensational Sulk (sexyDancer), Tuesday, 26 April 2005 18:17 (twenty years ago)

I just got the string quartet tribute in the mail today. It's pretty great. Some of the songs don't translate that well - you can kinda forget what song they were going for at times, as on "Silver Rocket," but when they nail it, it's fabulous. "Wish Fulfillment," "Theresa's Sound World" and "Candle" are the best, I'm going to post one of them on my site on Monday.

Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Friday, 29 April 2005 18:01 (twenty years ago)

OK, I was asked by someone recently to transcribe the Maximum Rock N' Roll piece that was reprinted in the inner sleeve of the "Master Dik" 12"... and, so, without further ado, here is the description of the inner sleeve of that 12"

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*imagine four pics, by Peter Anderson, of Sonic Youth doing funny poses in front of a large swirl in the corner of a white room on each of the four corners of one side of the inner sleeve, with the text forming a cross in the middle / the other side is just one big pic of Sonic Youth in one of the four pics but blown up the size of the sleeve*

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MAXIMUM ROCKNROLL - NOVEMBER '87

Gentle Readers of Maximum Rock-N-Roll,

OK folks, I have been noticing a big problem is today's alternative music and it's pissing me the fuck off. No, it's not high ticket prices, violence, meat eating or any of that good stuff. I don't even know what to call it so instead I'll get to my point and explain it.

I write record reviews for a Chicago 'zine called Non-Stop Banter. It's a well put together mag but the type who's staff consists mainly of 20-30 year old ex-punks who now detest hardcore. (I don't care. I enjoy reviewing punk/hardcore/ alternative stuff although the main reason I do it is for free records. ) So it's fine with me if they don't dig punk cause I don't give a flying turtle fuck what kind of music they listen to until they start knocking hardcore in favor of total bullshit music. Hell, yes I'll name names, I'm talking about GREEN RIVER, HUSKER DU, THE REPLACEMENTS, R.E.M., SONIC YOUTH and countless others. These writers, critics and even the musicians themselves turn their noses up at punk, yet listen to stuff that either used to be loud, aggressive and meaningful and turned into lame, mindless word-spuel or else shit that is basically LED ZEPPELIN and C.C.R. rip-offs. C'mon, you know what I'm talkin' about, right? "Barren lands and barren minds/ In another place and time/ I feel I've never known myself/ Frozen in the sand again." Hmmm. JOURNEY? YES? RUSH??? No - it's another classic fucking piece of musicianship by our friends HUSKER DU!!!

Yep, it's the big thing now for halfway decent bands to regress back to the shittiest music ever created by man and call it "progression." This crap is to the eighties what disco was to the seventies and all you college artsy dorks can whine all you want but Bob Mould is a fat old man, a sell out and a joke (and he sure ain't the only one in so-called alternative music. )

Now let's take a somewhat objective look at the labels that dish this horseshit out. SST, what the fuck, when was the last time this grandpa-assed label put out a good record? It's like in order to get on SST records, you have to 1. Be really boring and pretentious 2. Hate hardcore and 3. Look like my dad.

Check this shit: "Like four men running on empty, Das Damen breathe fumes and spark combustion like a four wheel sex machine." (An actual SST ad.) Yeah, and DONNA SUMMER's riding shotgun, right? Fuck, I think LAWRENCE WELK could "blast my concept" more than these geeks. Then you've got HOMESTEAD with NICK CAVE & SONIC YOUTH (though I guess they're on SST now) who like to sing about shit that no-one understands. But there are a hell of a lot of people who pretend they do, thus making themselves feel hip while stuffing greenbacks into the pockets of the aforementioned "artists."

Now there's a word: "artist." Yes, LYDIA LUNCH, DIAMANDA GALAS & SONIC YOUTH are all artists and you and me just ain't cool enough to be diggin' their scene. I'm real fuckin' sorry, but LYDIA LUNCH getting fucked by a .357 magnum is not my idea of art. It is, however, my idea of a brilliant marketing scam. I'ts [sic] the old "Emperor has no clothes" deal. These bands and labels are full of shit but appear to be so cool and happening and with it that nobody has the balls to tell them they suck.

But let's put it where it's at. While D.R.I. & 7 SECONDS may very well be the BON JOVI & U2 of the 90's, SONIC YOUTH & HUSKER DU will be the YES & REO SPEEDWAGON. BLEEAACCHH!!!

Sure, punk has its problems - JELLO BIAFRA on MTV, Kevin Seconds and his outrageously priced shows and D.R.I. crossing over to idiocy or the big one (if I may sidetrack for a moment), "We have a right to make money off our music." I hate to have to be the one to tell these bands the score, but gimme a fuckin' break. Punk is noisy, loud, obnoxious grunge & nobody has a right (morally speaking) to make money off it. Why do bands want such high guarantees at shows? "Well, we need money to live, man." Oh and I suppose getting a fucking job would be out of the question, right? Hey, Tim Yo could probably live very comfortably on the profits of MRR but instead he puts it where it will do some good and works for his lunch. (Not implying he doesn't bust ass on the 'zine) Man, if Tim can make enough $$$ at his job to buy a yacht or a mansion in Paris, I say cool. But when you're faced with the possibility of making a decent living off your 'zine or band or whatever, I don't care who the fuck you are, you're going to end up caring more about the dough than the quality of your 'zine or music. Just look at ROLLING STONE or SUICIDAL TENDENCIES on and on and on. I think Tim realizes that and that's why he keeps the two seperate [sic]. Too bad more folks can't follow that example.

So anyway, I kinda drifted away from my point there, which is that although punk is fucked up, I honestly believe there is enough integrity in the scene to overcome such bullshit. But bands, labels and critics of the new "elitist" postpunk garbage are going nowhere fast. They constantly slag punk and its listeners so why the fuck do you support them? They think you suck so my suggestion is to stop putting your money into the pockets of those "artists" that snub you and save it for sea monkeys, pop-tarts, and silly string. Your money will be well spent and you'll have more fun. By the way, to all the bands, labels and people I forgot to mention in this letter, I'm sorry, a big, hearty "fuck you" goes out to you also and I mean that from the bottom of my immature, little hardcore heart. Bye,

Ben Weasel c/o Weasel Crue Headquarters/P.O. Box 37/Prospect Hts. IL 60070-0037

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donut debonair (donut), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 20:36 (twenty years ago)

Hahaha.

The Brainwasher (Twilight), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 20:54 (twenty years ago)

Ben Weasel in being a low-brow, bore shocka!

A homunculus of Darby Crash, .... created for the purposes of *EVIL* (ex machina, Wednesday, 4 May 2005 21:53 (twenty years ago)

Was he the singer for Screeching Weasel?

Sundar (sundar), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 22:09 (twenty years ago)

Yep! I think he's just upset that he never got to join his beloved punk canon so he settles for minor noteriety by being an obtuse purist douchebag.

A homunculus of Darby Crash, .... created for the purposes of *EVIL* (ex machina, Wednesday, 4 May 2005 22:10 (twenty years ago)

There is a certain (if obvious?) level of insight to the Sonic Youth/Husker Du:Yes/REO Speedwagon thing though.

Sundar (sundar), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 22:16 (twenty years ago)

haha, awesome, thanks for transcribing that, donut. I must have bought that 12" when I was like 13 and thought the Ben Weasel rant was hilarious although I probably didn't understand a lot of the context at the time. mostly I thought it was cool that SY had the balls to put that on the sleeve of their own record. I think I threw it out after it got water damaged in my mom's garage.

Al (sitcom), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 22:46 (twenty years ago)

i found my sonic death tape, it's great, they sound scarier than the swans did at that point

Amon (eman), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 22:48 (twenty years ago)

Ben does have a point about that SST ad.. haha.

But, wow, I never had the patience to read a full issue of Maximum Rock 'N Roll in the 90s, and even in the post-Timyo years, much less the 80s issues... but the level of Tim Yo worship amongst the staff -- based on this piece -- is something slightly less fundamentalist than the Jim Jones cult!

donut debonair (donut), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 22:52 (twenty years ago)

It's cool that they put it on the sleeve. At the same time, it's kind of funny that there was a time when they even cared one way or the other about what some guy in Screeching Weasel thought.

Sundar (sundar), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 22:54 (twenty years ago)

I'm guessing SY thought it was really fucking funny, and nothing more.

donut debonair (donut), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 23:02 (twenty years ago)

Its like when my friend fucked a fratboy who told her she needed to listen to DMB so she locked him out with no clothes on.

A homunculus of Darby Crash, .... created for the purposes of *EVIL* (ex machina, Wednesday, 4 May 2005 23:06 (twenty years ago)

I want to know more about this "JELLO BIAFRA on MTV" thing... since, you know, it obviously changed things and showcased problems with punk rock, and I'm apparently out of the loop.

donut debonair (donut), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 23:11 (twenty years ago)

Was Jello on MTV?!?!?!

A homunculus of Darby Crash, .... created for the purposes of *EVIL* (ex machina, Wednesday, 4 May 2005 23:12 (twenty years ago)

well, 120 Minutes had been on the air for a year or two at that point, so it's plausible.

Al (sitcom), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 23:14 (twenty years ago)

According to Ben Weasel in 1987, he was... maybe it was the Frankenchrist/H.R. Giger poster/obscenity trial on MTV news? "Look, Jello Biafra is being shown on MTV news in court defending himself.... HE JUST SOLD OUT! FUCKER!"

I can't imagine the DKs ever having studio videos shown on 120 minutes.

donut debonair (donut), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 23:15 (twenty years ago)

"Barren lands and barren minds/ In another place and time/ I feel I've never known myself/ Frozen in the sand again." Hmmm. JOURNEY? YES? RUSH??? No - it's another classic fucking piece of musicianship by our friends HUSKER DU!!!

----fuck, that bit is so so great, thanks Donut. Thurston came in to the store I worked at once on tour, saw a new Screeching Weasel Lp on the display and cracked up, he had no idea they were still going

A Viking of Some Note (Andrew Thames), Thursday, 5 May 2005 01:32 (twenty years ago)

I forgot that article. METAPHORS ARE SELL-OUTS! FUCK MINOR CHORDS!!! MY EDGE IS STRAIGHTER THAN YOURS, FAGGOT!!!!!!>!>!>!>!>!>

TV's Mr Noodle Vague (noodle vague), Thursday, 5 May 2005 01:38 (twenty years ago)

More importantly, what was Ben Weasel doing watching Jello Biafra on MTV? PWNED

A homunculus of Darby Crash, .... created for the purposes of *EVIL* (ex machina, Thursday, 5 May 2005 01:51 (twenty years ago)

As a parallel to the Hamilton paintings I would like to mention several works by the American artist Mike Kelley. Nostalgic Depiction of the Innocence of Childhood (1990) shows naked adults, male and female, rubbing their lower regions on soft toys. The man apparently releases a fluid stool from his anus and smears it over a toy rabbit, his face bears a triumphant expression without a hint of mischief. The association of 'unrestrained' daubs of excrement with innocence is one which should be born in mind when looking at The Citizen. A series of studies by Kelley on silk scarves, Pansy Metal/Clovered Hoof (1989) perhaps suggest an American adolescent perspective on The Troubles; In Emerald Eye Hole a kitsch skull shares space with shamrocks, or 'clover' as Kelley's half baked teenage vision describes them, in Master Dik a crowned phallus made of shit glares out with its single comical eye - Polyphemus maybe, in the guise of Freud's 'faecal stick',13 The Orange and Green shows an ineptly scrawled lank-haired Kelley apparently in some sublime or extreme mental state, surrounded by brash daubs in the hues of the Irish tricolour. This image compares well with Hamilton's early representations of Finn MacCool in all its mystic griminess. Many Americans 'support' the republican struggle, but it is difficult to see how the representation of The Troubles in the American media can be any less mystifying than in the U.K. Kelley has conjured up an appropriately twisted vision in these works.

Amon (eman), Thursday, 5 May 2005 01:54 (twenty years ago)

Jizz doesn't taste that bad.

-- A homunculus of Darby Crash, .... created for the purposes of *EVIL* (showroo...) (webmail), May 5th, 2005 5:08 PM. (ex machina) (link)

Andre Dawson (deangulberry), Thursday, 5 May 2005 01:55 (twenty years ago)

I saw Jello Biafra talk a few years ago. He bitched about Yes too, and about how in the 70s people tried "to play like Jimmy... [wait for the punchline, delivered with blatant disgust] ... Page!"

Sundar (sundar), Thursday, 5 May 2005 01:55 (twenty years ago)

At least Jello Biafra is way more openminded than Ben (ATTENTION PLEASE) Weasel.

A homunculus of Darby Crash, .... created for the purposes of *EVIL* (ex machina, Thursday, 5 May 2005 01:57 (twenty years ago)

one month passes...
Punk is noisy, loud, obnoxious grunge & nobody has a right (morally speaking) to make money off it.

I see a word here that BW may have come to regret later.

Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Monday, 27 June 2005 10:31 (twenty years ago)

'I saw Jello Biafra talk a few years ago. He bitched about Yes too, and about how in the 70s people tried "to play like Jimmy... [wait for the punchline, delivered with blatant disgust] ... Page!"'

Y'know, all this talk makes feel like going out and buying the entire Screeching Weasel back catalogue. You kids like Yes? I mean REALLY?

Soukesian, Monday, 27 June 2005 17:21 (twenty years ago)

annoying, whiney power pop to thread

Another Allnighter (sexyDancer), Monday, 27 June 2005 17:31 (twenty years ago)


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