amy winehouse - C or D? [RIP 7/23/11]

does kinda set the rockist amongst my pigeons a little, in a nice way.

you do know she'll probably only be able to play, like, half a song before stumbling off stage to vomit/pass out? that said i am looking forward to seeing her live as well. the new single is fantastic.

therefore classic.

however, everything else I've heard from her has been pretty damn dull. therefore dud.

Conversely, is the world ready for Chan Marshall on NMTB...?

cross this one off the list, steve.

he cuts out all her verses and just keeps the hook, right? the original is better, even if he does namecheck k clarkson.

is she shambolic now, then? i saw her a couple of times around the first album, and she was great - looking forward to seeing her again (lex, are you going to the nme show?)

i think ghostface just drops in a verse of his, keeping most of hers, but i don't have my copy to hand... Lex is right though, the original is better.

the version on more fish doesn't have any amy verses, just ghost ones...i imagine the uk single is mostly amy, keeping one ghost verse (hopefully the clarkson one), but i haven't heard it. ghost sounds a bit out-of-place but it's hardly a disaster...

xp

cross this one off the list, steve.

dude i'm not interested in what you DON'T like.

Back to Black is 9-tenths magnificent.

Haven't heard anything else that I've even liked, though I haven't heard much. So, like Kelly Clarkson, she's a song to me.

Okay I know when I've been pwned.

eppy you know that 'me and mr jones (fuckery)' is about her crush on nas?

the first album has flaws (it's patchy, and she bellows rather than sings too much) but search 'amy amy amy', 'fuck me pumps' and 'take the box' - they're all fantastic.

She talked onstage about the Nas thing Lex (with Jigga in the house even) and yeah, I've listened to Frank for the past week; "patchy" is the word.

I guess I always hope when somebody is publicly self-destructing that it's part of the persona they're creating. It would kinda make sense that on the back of an album of melancholy booziness she'd method act the character a bit.

I haven't heard any of her stuff (apart from 'Rehab') properly yet fwiw.

So, Back to Black was released here today, and they took "Addicted" off the record and put that Ghostface remix of "No Good"on instead. WHY?!? Ghostface is basically just screaming over the track, he's totally off beat.

Jazz singer Amy Winehouse is leading the field for the Mojo awards with three nominations including song and album of the year.

Winehouse, who was named best British female artist at the Brit Awards earlier this year, is followed by the Arctic Monkeys with two nods.

The Sheffield band are shortlisted for best song and best live act, where they face veteran rock group The Who.

Bob Dylan's US chart topper Modern Times is in the running for best album.

'Sky the limit'

Reader of Mojo magazine and users of their website handed two nominations to Texas rock group Midlake, in the best album and breakthrough act categories.

Other nominees in the song of the year category are The Gossip for Standing In The Way of Control and Scottish band The View for Same Jeans.

Singer Johnny Cash is posthumously nominated for catalogue release of the year, for the reissue of his 1969 concert at San Quentin.

This is his second nomination in a row in the category, while he gained two further nods in last year's shortlist.

The Mojo awards ceremony will take place in London on 18 June, at which the magazine will bestow a number of honours including the Hall of Fame and lifetime achievement awards.

Editor-in-chief Phil Alexander said of Amy Winehouse: "Now the sky is the limit for her. There is nothing that can stop her apart from herself."

In the O RLY? category:

Amy Winehouse was hospitalized in London Wednesday for 'severe exhaustion,' a Universal Music spokeswoman said.

Oh, for fuck's sake.

There's a certain group of celebs who can't get away with suffering from "exhaustion". Amy Winehouse is one of them.

They tried to make her go to rehab but you know what happened.

Winehouse in drugs collapse: (it's The Sun, but still)

http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2007360754,00.html

Her hubby sounds like a nice fella

She looks like that midget who used to dance in Marilyn Manson and Soul Assasins videos back in the late 90s in that photo. Only taller.

so like Pete Doherty is obsolete now right

in th' old days they used and a big story when *we all know* what it means anyway. why's that?

We're smarter now because of the internet. That's why Elton John wants it shut down.

'Back to Black' just gets better despite it being inescapable.
I can't think of a time before when someone went from being a niche artist to being a massive star in this country purely because of the damn brilliance of one specific album. I mean i'm sure this must have happened before.

With all that's going on at the moment in tabloid-world i feel sorry for her, and i really hope she wins the Mercury prize just to show the lot of them.

And the fucking remixes of the singles have been brilliant, almost as good overall as Justin's last year.

Yeah, people really need to stop going around saying heroin abuse is a bad thing. Won't somebody please think of the children?

dom, tabloid coverage of winehouse isn't concern for her well-being, it is common or garden humbug prurience

I (deliberately) haven't (knowingly) heard her music, so I'm going to have to judge her tattoos:

Dud.

the tattoos suck. the album is good times.

They look like practice tattoos, don't they?

Has she pledged her body to amateur/trainee inkers the same way other people pledge their bodies to medical science?

I'm so fucking bored of waiting for her to die. But they never die or even seriously overdose, do they? Pete Doherty is still around wearing stupid hats.

Still, if I had to sell tabloids for a living...

...it would be a step-up?

I'm so fucking bored of waiting for her to die

If yr that impatient then I hate to think what, say, Keith Richards still being alive is doing to you

I think a certain proportion of long-term celebrities are just government employees who are paid to make it look as if something is "happening". They don't really take drugs or self-harm or have on/off relationships at all.

Kate Moss is a good example. Patently a civil servant.

It's kind of a "positive paranoia" I have.

If yr that impatient then I hate to think what, say, Keith Richards still being alive is doing to you

Zombies are the undead, eejit.

theyve reissued back to black with a bonus disc - has some cool specials and other covers... i like.

With any luck she could lead to a UK version of those magnificent Cat Power threads our US posters bless us with every now and then.
-- Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Friday, 12 January 2007 10:28 (10 months ago) Bookmark Link

She truly exceeded our expectations

I say classic.

Maybe its because it's Christmastime and the hell of Christmas shopping is only leavened by hearing The Ronnettes Sleigh Bells in almost every shop. She is probably the only singer since Joey Ramone to really turn the Ronnie Spector influence into something (on a side note, has she ever recorded a Christmas song, and if not then when will she? Surely the definitive version of Merry Christmas (I Don't wanna Fight Tonight) is hers of the taking: retro wink just masking real tears)

interesting article in Mojo, especially since having been granted the Cover status, the article contains nothing other than a run down on the recent shows, as no interview was ever sorted out due to the troubles we all know about, and some quotes from amy back in 2004.
however, i'd say classic which means i should now buy the albums.

shit, for a minute, i thought you said she had recorded an old phil spector xmas song. was getting quite excited.

Oh, that's cos I meant to say "hers for the taking" which has the advandtage of making that mangled sentence just about make sense.

where is the lex lately?

[joke about paris hilton]

Kept his dick wet

RIP

In the corner
Of my eye
I saw you in rudys
You were very high
You were high
It was a cryin disgrace
They saw your face

On the counter
By your keys
Was a book of numbers
And your remedies
One of these
Surely will screen out the sorrow
But where are you tomorrow

I cant cry anymore
While you run around
Break away
Just when it
Seems so clear
That its
Over now
Drink your big black cow
And get out of here

Down to greene street
There you go
Lookin so outrageous
And they tell you so
You should know
How all the pros play the game
You change your name

Like a gangster
On the run
You will stagger homeward
To your precious one
Im the one
Who must make everything right
Talk it out till daylight

I dont care anymore
Why you run around
Break away
Just when it
Seems so clear
That its
Over now
Drink your big black cow
And get out of here

pc user just became my favorite poster of all time

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/7150811.stm

Singer Amy Winehouse has been arrested in connection with an investigation into perverting the course of justice.

A Scotland Yard spokeswoman said: "A 24-year-old woman has been arrested by appointment at an east London police station. She is currently in custody.

"The arrest is in connection with an investigation into perverting the course of justice."

ugh.

I can understand the money thing, but why did they want him to leave the country?

Winehouse 'Is Not Ready For Music'

Amy Winehouse is "not ready to record any music", her producer has told Sky News in an exclusive interview.

http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30100-1314848,00.html

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/7406336.stm

oh dear

that's very odd

who knows what planet they are on

planet PILLS

the sheer stupidity written all over her life is infuriating.

! i'm like all worked up about it. i just feel like, she could have used her success to inspire people, and instead she's pissing all over everything.

settle down

Does no one overdose anymore?

RIP big man

I wish they started just eating the mice at the end.
They can't even commit to making the weirdness interesting.

C DUMMIES

JAZZIZMS FUCK THAT SHE STRAIGHT HOT

SOUL

AMY Winehouse faces ruin after being caught on camera revelling in SEX in a public place, out of her head in a CRACK den and singing an astonishing RACIST chant.

Our fucking press, jesus christ it's embarrassing.

PILLS --->

Our fucking press pop stars, jesus christ it's embarrassing.

-- chap, Monday, June 9, 2008 9:41 PM (10 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

Jesus frackin' Christ--yer watching someone die in slow motion.

Doesn't the UK have some sort of forced intervention thing?

Couldn't Amy be arrested for attempted homicide of Amy Winehouse?

*smh*

good thing the uk has no racism or this might be offensive

aka the amy winehouse bottle opener revive

TBF that was some junior school playground level racism there.

I asked Morrissey about it, he said he was appalled.

it does lack the subtlety of a good racist charicature

It was just a list of offensive racial slurs. I was waiting for the punchline. Wtf was that about?

its the drugs what are racist

at our school it had a line about je... sike

But she is a je!

Someone please go on Okayplayer and ask ?uestlove why he's so keen to promote the career of a racist. That sounds like it'd be a pretty good troll thread.

Y'know since Phil won't play ball I'm ready to start a "send me on trolling missions to comedy messageboards" thread.

lol if only this had happened BEFORE our prac crit exam

Someone please go on Okayplayer and ask ?uestlove why he's so keen to promote the career of a racist. That sounds like it'd be a pretty good troll thread.

-- The stickman from the hilarious "xkcd" comics, Monday, June 9, 2008 4:24 PM (8 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

good use of 77

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/7457781.stm

So, anyroad, she's been dashed to hospital after fainting.

But you know when the story is told and they do the recap on things that have happened recently? That takes about 40% of the total space...

.. and concludes with ...

The singer's hits include Rehab - including the refrain "they tried to make me go to rehab/ I said no, no, no" - and Back to Black, the title track from her current album.

C, needs better drugs

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/7468655.stm

Singer Amy Winehouse has the lung disease emphysema, possibly caused by smoking crack cocaine and cigarettes, her father has said.

Mitch Winehouse told the Sunday Mirror his daughter has early stage emphysema and an irregular heartbeat.

"Doctors have told her if she goes back to smoking drugs, it won't just ruin her voice, it will kill her," he said.

Emphysema is a progressive lung condition which leaves sufferers struggling for breath.

"She's got emphysema - it's in its early stages, but had it gone on for another month they painted a very vivid picture of her sitting there like an old person with a mask on her face struggling to breathe," Mr Winehouse said.

'Stay away'

"With smoking the crack cocaine and the cigarettes her lungs are all gunked up. There are nodules around the chest and dark marks. She's got 70% lung capacity."

Mr Winehouse also called for his daughter's drug dealers and circle of drug addict pals to stay away from her.

"I'm saying to those drug dealers, and they know who they are, if they are supplying crack to Amy, then they've got to take responsibility," he said.

"I don't want her hanging out with her mates like Pete Doherty either. What hope does she have if people are taking drugs around her?"

A spokesman for Winehouse said: "If that's what Mitch says, that's what he says. It sounds right."

The 24-year-old fell ill last week after fainting at her London home.

She is due to perform at the Glastonbury Festival and Nelson Mandela concert this weekend.

Emphysema is caused by gradual damage to the structure of the lungs, which makes it harder to exhale.

It usually affects older people as it is due to culmulative damage over a long period, such as a lifetime of smoking.

RIP big man

A spokesman for Winehouse said:

I. AM. YOUR AUTOMATIC LOVER. AUTOMATIC LOVER.
I. AM. YOUR AUTOMATIC LOVER. AUTOMATIC LOVER.
I. AM. YOUR AUTOMATIC LOVER. AUTOMATIC LOVER.
I. AM. YOUR AUTOMATIC LOVER. AUTOMATIC LOVER.

God help us if she dies an early death, she will be immortalized in the Canon forever.

i.e., Kurt Cobain with a vagina.

She has emphysema and she's almost blind. Just had to say that.

God help us if she dies an early death, she will be immortalized in the Canon forever.

-- stephen

yeah thats total horseshit & i am kinda tired of reading this kinda crap about rock/pop stars

i get the appeal of watching the circus but when it turns deadly i dont really see the fun of it anymore

Yeah, this actually really sucks.

^^^^

It's our fault! We bought her albums and gave her more money than some disaster-prone twentysomethings know what to do with, just like cobain and the other young dead stars :-(

disaster prone is disaster prone whether you got cash flow or not

True.

It's our fault!

oh do me a fucking favour.

I blame hstencil.

xpost i'll do you a favour, direct you towards the dictionary and look up "humor".

Completely recovered from terminal illness miracle shock!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/7470972.stm

I love Wino definite classic. She already acts like some old lovelorn jazz singer with big hair and an even bigger voice who sits around inhaling cigarettes and drinking whiskey while singing in some old dive. Cliche but I loves her.

i coulda sworn she acts more like a total fucking trainwreck

who sits around inhaling cigarettes crack cocaine and drinking whiskey while singing [/s]in some old dive.[/s] at the Grammy Awards

sorry; fucked up the BB Code; got distracted shooting viral video featuring baby mice

who sits around inhaling cigarettes crack cocaine and drinking whiskey while singing [/s]in some old dive.[/s] at the Grammy Awards
this is true tho.
Wino atm is a fiendish crack hag that needs to fix herself up sharpish but she'll come back. I love how she's all ghetto prison wife "BLAAAAAAAAAAAAKE"
She's a cartoon.

http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/21471244/up_all_night_with_amy_winehouse

I ask her about Doherty. "We're just good friends," she says. "I asked Pete to do a concept EP, and he made this face, he looked at me like I'd pooed on the floor. He wouldn't do it. We're just really close."

lollllllllllllllll

"So I looked down, and realised I had. Sorry Pete!"

Amy Winehouse 'lashes out' at fan

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/44788000/jpg/_44788511_amypunching_bbc226.jpg

i love her. even though all the 'blake' stage patter is a bit grating now and she still doesnt sing well live. id like her band to not dress up so nostalgically though, just to make her act look a bit less retro. i dont get why she seems to have disowned the first album though - would be nice to hear songs from there live.

^^^I know right?
Frank was pretty good and I love 'Stronger Than Me' and 'Fuck Me Pumps', Amy then was far wittier and acerbic whereas on Back To Black she's just a miserable old...something or other.

http://i25.tinypic.com/b5ntpk.jpg

did you guys know blake is out in two weeks?

Issit?
Oh I think I'm in LDN then, I might go and watch the media circus...
(or...get a life)

oh yuk, plz tell me that is not a chunk of lung

i dont wanna hear her moan about media intrusion now, not when she blabbers on about blake in between every song at the concert. shes like the british soul version of odb.

She can sing stunningly live but just watched her Glastonbury performance and it was horrible, horrible, horrible.

"shes like the british soul version of odb."

actually that was a bit generous.

During her hour-long set, the 24-year-old star spat out her chewing gum on stage and criticised Jay-Z for not knowing his song lyrics.

She said: 'Jay-Z's got some front to come here with tunes you don’t even remember.'

don't think that's what she meant.

Anybody watch her slurring the words to "Free Nelson Mandela" on his 90th Birthday concert (on VH1 in the states). I like her anyway.

1st pic up looks like Pob's Playtime.

she should have done racist friend by the specials, based on that youtube vid of her.

Anybody watch her slurring the words to "Free Nelson Mandela" on his 90th Birthday concert (on VH1 in the states).

Supposedly she was singing "free my blakey fella"

C

http://www.kanyeuniversecity.com/blog/index.php?em3106=197280_-1__0_~0_-1_6_2008_0_0&em3161=&em3281=

F

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2008/09/01/article-1051250-0215504400000578-502_224x423.jpg

SHOCK details of Amy Winehouse’s drug use emerged last night – she binged on crystal meth and may have brain damage after a 36-HOUR pot marathon.

The singer, 24, suffered two major overdoses, with such bad convulsions that they were “like a scene from The Exorcist”.

And her body is so frail from drug use that doctors were scared she would break bones during a fit.

A close pal of Amy’s laid bare the truth – warning medics said one more overdose will probably kill her.

The friend revealed:

AMY’S first overdose in August last year was from cocaine, heroin, ecstasy, ketamine and crystal meth.

SHE was advised to see a psychiatrist after displaying “multiple personality traits” that made her a suicide risk.

HER second overdose was in July – when she inhaled an “inhuman” amount of hash that left her vomiting uncontrollably and hallucinating.

At the time devoted dad Mitch, 54, said it was a “bad reaction to her medication”.

MEDICS are worried Amy’s brain was damaged by the cannabis overdose – she displayed symptoms normally associated with schizophrenia.

The pal yesterday said: “The future is bleak, bleak, bleak.

“Mitch does everything he can to protect his daughter - but his ‘explanation’ for Amy’s hospital dash in July was just simply untrue.

“She had smoked an inhuman amount of hash which resulted in acute cannabis poisoning. You have to take a s***load of pot to suffer that severe a reaction.

“It’s thought she had been smoking it for 36 hours.

“Amy’s fits were as bad as the convulsions she had during her overdose in August last year. No one has mentioned her meth use before – but that stuff is truly nasty.

“She is in need of years of psychiatry and medical treatment if she has a hope.”

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/showbiz/bizarre/article1630740.ece

RIP big man

I wonder how much money an anonymous friend makes from such a story.

I'm sure she'll enjoy trading riffs with Chris Rea and Rick Wakeman at Cameron's inaugural.

her new signing apparently.

shes got a lovely voice fwiw. shame amy cant even back her properly on guitar (its a fucking mess).

http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i134/dgoobl/Duffy.jpg

ha

i would let diz jew bitch snort coke off mah tweleve inch dick

hell yah hive 5

She has been charged under her married name, Amy Civil.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/beds/bucks/herts/8428946.stm

Amy Winehouse charged with assault at theatre
Singer Amy Winehouse has been charged in connection with an assault at Milton Keynes Theatre.

Ms Winehouse, 26, was charged with a public order offence and common assault in relation to an incident at the theatre on Saturday.

Police said Ms Winehouse, from Barnet, Hertfordshire, attended Milton Keynes police station voluntarily with her legal advisor in the afternoon.

She is due to appear at Milton Keynes Magistrates' Court on 20 January, 2010.

She has been charged under her married name, Amy Civil

shame there's never any news of her next album

if only we had any clue as to why there isn't :(

According to the news last night she kept shouting out "HE'S FUCKING BEHIND YOU!" during a pantomime then kicked someone in the balls :)

I can't imagine what circumstances led Amy Winehouse to a pantomime in Milton Keynes.

Mitch Winehouse Releases Debut Album "Rush Of Love"

The 59 year-old jazz lover and father to one of the UK's biggest music exports releases his own collection of smooth jazz and swing crooning.

Download TWO free tracks and his first music video HERE

http://seeofsound.com/i/images/MVD5113A.jpg

Mitch Winehouse, former cab driver and father to one of the UK's biggest music exports is about to prove the critics wrong with the release of his debut album 'Rush Of Love' on April 5th 2011.

At the age of 59, Mitch is turning a life-long ambition into reality, showcasing his in-depth knowledge and sheer passion for jazz and swing music with this 11-track debut featuring a host of rarely uncovered classics as well as four brand new tracks.

"We love singing in our family" Mitch explains, "I was always singing at home. But this is a dream come true and musically, it's a great album."

Despite his own undeniable music talent, Mitch is also realistic about the assumptions that will be made about his newfound career choice:

"If Amy wasn't my daughter I wouldn't be given this opportunity. I'm not stupid, I know that. But if I couldn't sing I wouldn't have been given the opportunity either."

Teaming up with old family friend Tony Hiller, writer of 'Save Your Kisses For Me' and hundreds of other jazz and pop standards, was another logical step for Mitch who has, quite obviously, had the time of his life researching and compiling his music debut.

"I had such a good time making this album. We tried 40 songs we loved and worked through them with a pianist. If it didn't work for us, we moved on, but just reliving them was enough."

Having grown up around the legendary songwriter and producer - Mitch's Dad and Tony were old mates in London's East End - Mitch felt it a natural fit to have Hiller involved in the project and now joins a list of illustrious artists from Elton John to Matt Monro who have performed Tony's songs.

Not only producer of the album, Hiller has also penned its 4 brand new tracks 'Tell Me', 'No More Broken Hearts', 'Nights' and debut single 'Rush Of Love To The Heart'.

Alongside the new Hiller compositions are 'Please Be Kind' - a 1938 song first performed by Mildred Bailey and also later recorded by Ella Fitzgerald, Sarah Vaughan and Frank Sinatra.

'How Insensitive' is an Antonio Carlos Jobim composition that anyone from Judy Garland to Iggy Pop have put their name next to, and 'You Go To My Head' is a real jazz enthusiast's favorite.

Mitch also pays homage to Frank Sinatra with 'Close Your Eyes', "...a beautiful jazz song, but a less known Sinatra song," Mitch enthuses, "Stacey Kent does it, but I've never heard anyone else and it's just wonderful."

The album also features the 1931 Bing Crosby classic 'I Apologize', and 'Day by Day', also later recorded by Crosby in 1946 as well as by Doris Day in the same year. 'You Go To My Head' has been re-worked by such fans ranging from Billie Holiday to Rod Stewart. Finally, the popular 'April In Paris,' taken from the 1932 Broadway musical 'Walk A Little Faster' and later performed by the likes of Louis Armstrong, is given the Mitch makeover.

'Rush Of Love' is classic debut full of surprises... just like Mitch.

Website: http://www.mitchwinehouse.co.uk

PDF Bio: http://mvdb2b.com/i/press/mvd5113a/mvd5113a_biography.pdf

Item: http://seeofsound.com/p.php?s=MVD5113A

Hi Res Cover Art: http://mvdb2b.com/i/300dpi/MVD5113A.jpg

Tracklisting:
1.) Please Be Kind
2.) How Insensitive
3.) Rush Of Love To The Heart
4.) Tell Me
5.) Day By Day
6.) I Apologize
7.) Nights
8.) Close Your Eyes
9.) No More Broken Hearts
10.) You Got To My Head
11.) April In Paris

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6m8o2wuxYbY&feature=related

fuuuuuuuuuuuuuucked.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ttJg8901qAU&feature=related

It's pretty heartbreaking to see her in person these days.

now we know what it would have been like if the Fall really had signed to motown back in the day

Ha!

Not that I wish her ill, but what are the odds she makes it to 30?

had to stop myself from starting an RIP thread tbh

hey, pete whatshisname from the libertines is still alive...

jesus christ she's so bad in those videos

is there any evidence that she can still sing?

fucking sad. Back to Black was probably my favorite album of 2007. :/

To be honest, I remember watching her at a gig in Brighton before Back in Black came out, and she wasn't acting that much different to those clips. Although she was at least singing all the tunes.

Er, *to*. That would have been an interesting album!

I couldn't even make it past like 0:45 of either clip, got tired of waiting for the song to start

she had clusterfuck concerts in 2007 too...including the one where she threatened the entire audience that her husband was going to kick all of their asses.

The papers have had stories about her delivering a fantastic secret gig in London recently. It doesn't sound like anyone other than friends and her PR team were there to witness it, though.

I have an unhappy knack of running into her every time i'm in Camden. The last time was about a fortnight ago and she was a wreck. The physical toll it has taken on her is pretty obvious. There's absolutely no way her managers wouldn't have known that something like this was going to happen.

what's up w/ her husband

Divorced. He now has an unsuccessful career as a burglar.

winehouse's site hacked by lil b fans/lulzsec rivals

shit just got really, really fucking weird

SWAGGER SECURITY

WINEHOUSE = NO SWAG | ANTISEC = NO SWAG

WE SWAG
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ANTISEC, U ALREDY GOT OWNED ONCE. UMUSIC IS OUR TERITORY. WE'VE HAD DIS BOX ON LOCK 4 YEARZ SON. N NOW HEREU R TALKIN SHIT BOUT HOW U FINNA RELEASE DEY INFO? U PLAYIN? FUCKIN IDOTS? WE RUN THE INTERNET. U RUN FUCKINBRAZILIAN ROUTERS & A COUPLE SMALL-TIME BRAZILIAN .GOV'S RAN BY HETROSEXUAL NIGGAZ (EW) WHO PROBLY GOT HIREDOFF DA STREETZ. DEATH 2 HETROSEXUAL NIGRAZ. DEATH 2 ANTISEC. HALF OF U IDIOTZ R #BOTTALK UNKNOWN.EU 12 YEAROLD FUCKIN PUSSIES HA HA HA! QUIT FUCKIN WIT REPTILE MODZ N THEN STEP 2 US. WE ON ANOTHA LEVEL OF U FAGZ.WE HOLD DIS SHIT DOWN. WE GOT ERRTHANG. WE GOT J. BEIBER DUMPZ, ONE FIDDY THOUSAND MILLION PLAINTEXT,AMY WINEHOUSE FORTY FIVE THOUSAND MD5, DEFJAMZ, KLAXONZ, HUNDRED THOUSAND HUNDRED TRILLION LADY GAGA USER.

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It's being reported that she died this afternoon. No confirmation from official sources yet.

Deeply, deeply sad.

new thread required i think. some right orrible stuff in this one.

oh shit

somehow even when everyone's saying they don't believe she'll last the year &c &c you never quite believe it'll actually happen. awful, awful.

uhhh

sad

damn. new member of the 27 club.

sad indeed. 27 years old huh?

no idea she was younger than me

I never thought she was all that but I resent how detractors -- guys, of course -- couldn't dismiss her without using variants on "skank" and "ho."

:(

she was such a style icon it was kinda crazy. so many girls used to rock that look around here

rest in peace. God this one's making me really sad. I loved Back in Black until I couldn't listen to it anymore because it lived in my cd player so long in 2007.

even though this isn't technically a surprise, I still held out hope that she'd rebound from her crazy lifestyle.

hoping she's found peace now...RIP Amy

http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/Showbiz-News/Amy-Winehouse-Found-Dead-At-Home-In-Camden-London-Police-Confirm/Article/201107416036201?lpos=Showbiz_News_Carousel_Region_0&lid=ARTICLE_16036201_Amy_Winehouse_Found_Dead_At_Home_In_Camden%2C_London%2C_Police_Confirm

even though this isn't technically a surprise, I still held out hope that she'd rebound from her crazy lifestyle.

me too. i think i assumed she would. having a v real reaction here.

ugh apparently her dad is on a plane right now and doesn't know yet. it feels gross that we know before him, well done "police sources" :(

lord

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bjNLCbIMzZs&feature=related

this is the way I'll always want to remember her. this song gave me such warm fuzzies in 2008...still does.

i remember so many girls dressing as her for halloween in 2006. RIP

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2qQAnNARrWs

This was three days ago.

http://www.hollywoodgrind.com/images/2008/3/amy-winehouse-before-drugs.jpg

wow

this is unbelievably poignant right now

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w1evzhSast8

i want to remember her as whip-smart, funny, vital as she used to be, too, not just the tragic mess that overshadowed it all

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iVaqQe3V498

"you sent me flying" was amazing yeah

she was such a nice-looking jewish girl once.

Between the hangers-on with a vested interest in keeping her down, managers with a vested interest in keeping her touring when she could barely stand up and any number of people, irl and in the press, willing to cheer her on or simply laugh at her decline, i don't know if she ever stood a chance. I'm angry more than anything else, at the moment.

already the assholes are out on the social networking sites. jeezus for once can't anybody show restraint.

Fuck this news fuck it fuck it fuck it.

I think my other favorite song of hers was either "Love is a Losing Game" or "TEars Dry on Their Own"...

I don't buy a lot of modern pop records but I really loved frank and back to black. Rip.

And I don't give a shit about yr stupid "27 club", Twitter.

I'm angry more than anything else, at the moment.

yeah. it feels like it needn't & shouldn't have happened.

already the assholes are out on the social networking sites. jeezus for once can't anybody show restraint.

yup time to log out of facebook

And I don't give a shit about yr stupid "27 club", Twitter.

seriously. 1st tweet i read about this was the mirror showbiz guy helpfully pointing this out.

Frank was so underrated. when I think back to 08, which was a very great year in my life, I think of that album a lot, as that was the year I discovered it (along with Back to Black).

happy at least that I'll have those memories...

I didn't know her music well, just "Rehab" and the Ghostface track, but I'd read some of the stories of her difficulties. Twenty-seven from my perspective is not even the starting line. Feel so bad that she didn't make it out of the woods.

this is a total fucking waste and really tragic

just found out about this from facebook and I don't even know what to say except "damn"

planning to attend a 50s/60s soul dance party tonight, and I will be going HARD in yr memory amy. RIP

just the enthusiasm she had for music. you could tell she lived and breathed it. Every detail on Back to Black showed she was a student of the 60's girl pop she was creating, but she and her team made it her own, brought it into the 21st century, without insulting or watering down the genre.

and god, that voice.

very sad and too young.

somehow never would have expected this to be as profoundly upsetting as it is, stupid though it sounds. RIP amy.

she had at least one song ("tears") that i loved as much as anything i heard in the last ten years, and plenty of other good ones. this is horrible. r.i.p.

fucking hell

Wow, awful news to wake up to. Though I can't say it's shocking, it's still incredibly saddening... poor girl. She was so talented, had so much more to offer. R.I.P.

"Rehab" is a song by English recording artist Amy Winehouse from her second studio album, Back to Black. Written by Winehouse and produced by Mark Ronson, it was released as the album's lead single in the United Kingdom on 23 October 2006. The lyrics are autobiographical, describing a protagonist's drinking habits and refusal to enter rehabilitation clinics. This appears to have been a poor decision in hindsight.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rehab_(Amy_Winehouse_song)

Seriously, fuck the internet and fuck the people of this world, this is horrible news and so heartbreaking to think of so much squandered potential and talent. Thoughts and sympathies to her families and friends, I hope that this makes some people think long and hard about themselves and the people they are, and how we deal with substance abuse and addiction so it wasn't all in vain.

^^ this

this has led me to discover the "b-sides" disc of Back to Black.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/02/06/AR2007020601885.html
rereading that 2007 WaPo article linked upthread; ?uestlove's comments struck a nerve with me:

"Once I heard [her music], part of me felt like: 'Don't... rock the boat. Let this take its course 'cause that way you'll get great music.' And part of me wanted to reach out to her."

yeah. it feels like it needn't & shouldn't have happened.

Lex OTM

Questlove's comments strikes me as an example of "just cos something is true, doesn't mean it needs to be said"...

I hate Facebook at times like this. Someone was complaining she'd "lowered" the 27 club. PLEASE FUCK OFF.

yea and the other things are:

"92 dead in Oslo, and we're talking about THIS" (yes, because nobody can find BOTH tragic)
"The world is so fuxxored, why does this matter" (see above)

I've decided to just post youtubes of her vids in retaliation...fight fire with really fucking good music

xxpost I dunno I thought it was a pretty honest response and like, the whole tortured genius mythology... argh I dunno. my brain is addled cuz I've just been reading Diderot's 'Paradoxe sur le comédien' where he argues that the best actors/artists are totally 'unsentimental' pros, and obviously Amy is the polar opposite of that... *throws up hands in confusion*

not that I want to turn this thread into ILM's umpteenth discussion about all that shit. I should just shut my mouth.

this is really weird... i never really thought she would die suddenly like this, for some reason. i guess i just assumed at some point she would smarten up and be like "whoa i'm completely ruining my life" but i guess that never happens to some addicts. fucked up.

bernard-i think i was somewhat retroactively biased by the fact that I know what I know today and his comments are 4 years old. I really don't have a problem with his 'sentiment' because it's not like he's the first or only person or musician who have feelings like that. so I retract what I said, being that he said this 4 years ago.

xpost: i dont think it happens for MOST addicts. i think we just expect it of large-scale entertainment types because (for better or worse) they have so many people around interested in keeping them alive.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AXSvRWsNJJg

she was SO amazing. her life the last couple of years seemed tragic, as does her death.

she walks awayyyyyyyyy
the sun goes down

this makes me so sad. she made two fucking brilliant records and could have made a million more.

Sometimes you have to hit the absolute bottom before you run out of resources and enabling situations that keep you an addict. Then you need the resources to turn it around. Unfortunately, she had enough enabling in her life that, from reading about her situation, she bounced off the bottom enough times that she never made it away.

This is incredibly sad and it just reminds me of the people I know who continue to burn through all the good will others give them.

This is heartbreaking. Can't believe some of the reactions, some dick on my facebook actually said 'Good riddance to another skag-head' FFS.

way, way, way too soon. RIP.

i didn't really know her music that well, to be honest, but i loved what i knew. RIP.

and also, glad that my friends on fbook aren't being horrible. in fact, most of them are expressing deep sadness. yall need to make better friends.

and also, glad that my friends on fbook aren't being horrible. in fact, most of them are expressing deep sadness. yall need to make better friends.

^^^

the worst i can say is that a few people i follow on twitter are parroting the "27 club" line.

i've blocked most of the ppl whose opinions i don't care about anyway but my FB feed has been nothing but condolences today

everything's coming up winehouse

I saw her play here, and went in with a total open mind. But I left really disappointed, not just by her erratic performance but by the absolute, tight, dead-on performance of her band, from cues to dance moves. It made me think, man, do these guys just not give a fuck at all? Sometimes I wonder the same thing about the dudes backing Lauryn Hill and Brian Wilson. Is it unfair of me to think of them as the ultimate enablers/exploiters/advantage-takers, or are they the only thing keeping these artists afloat at all? I'm torn.

i guess i just assumed at some point she would smarten up and be like "whoa i'm completely ruining my life" but i guess that never happens to some addicts

that's not really what happens to addicts, full stop

brian wilson is doing fine

wow

RIP Amy, you recorded some great, great music

xpost WIlson is fine, but I keep thinking of the "Smile doc, where he's surrounded by all these folks pushing the idea and he just looks like he wants to be anywhere else.

Met her once. Was working in the coffee shop at the CN Tower at the time and she came up to the counter and asked me for a plastic bag. Couldn't really think of anything to say so i just handed her the bag and mumbled something. When i told my friends about it, they gave me a load of stick cos of my dumbstruck reaction. A few weeks later i read this in Rolling Stone

Alongside the world's tallest free-stand-ing tower, one of the world's tiniest pop stars is crouched next to a garbage pail, collecting a pile of eyeliner pencils and mascara tubes between her hands. While Amy Winehouse wanders the courtyard of Toronto's 1,815-foot CN Tower in search of a plastic bag to hold her cosmetics, the man who was her fiancé on that May afternoon but who would be her husband five days later smokes a cigarette from my pack and looks bored.

My brush with greatness

xxpost @ Josh in Chicago: If they're session pros then they're usually there to make that $$ with a smile on their face/looks of intense engagement with the music even if they couldn't really give a f*ck. And if they're really good at what they do then you shouldn't be able to tell they're hating their life as they play for you. (disclaimer: i've personally known/worked with some of these folks.)

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Met her once. Was working in the coffee shop at the CN Tower at the time and she came up to the counter and asked me for a plastic bag. Couldn't really think of anything to say so i just handed her the bag and mumbled something. When i told my friends about it, they gave me a load of stick cos of my dumbstruck reaction. A few weeks later i read this in Rolling Stone

Alongside the world's tallest free-stand-ing tower, one of the world's tiniest pop stars is crouched next to a garbage pail, collecting a pile of eyeliner pencils and mascara tubes between her hands. While Amy Winehouse wanders the courtyard of Toronto's 1,815-foot CN Tower in search of a plastic bag to hold her cosmetics, the man who was her fiancé on that May afternoon but who would be her husband five days later smokes a cigarette from my pack and looks bored.
My brush with greatness

― Number None, Saturday, July 23, 2011 6:47 PM (33 seconds ago) Bookmark

haha this is great

PS Brian Wilson's "That Lucky Old Sun" album from a couple of years back is kind of a "return to form". He at least sounds alive and engaged on that one.

awwwwww no this sucks :(

this really sucks

i guess i just assumed at some point she would smarten up and be like "whoa i'm completely ruining my life" but i guess that never happens to some addicts

that's not really what happens to addicts, full stop

Uh, I seriously beg to differ. My grandmother was a raging alcoholic. I mean, full ON. They gave her months. Now decades later she is healthy (and losing her terminally ill husband).
A client of mine was also an alcoholic. Even lost a finger. He looks dreadful. But he survived. Still has rough periods. But hasn't touched a drink in years.
There are other people I know who contradict this. True they ruined their body, but many do survive (in some way).

Anyway, I am shocked. She's or rather was a decade younger than I am. You never expect this. You know deep down death was a very strong possibility. But still you never want to think it. I am hoping all those pathetic people who were mocking her, making ill-placed comments, feel some sort of guilt. I don't feel any more or less sadness for her than someone else I know. I feel mostly sadness for her family, her friends,...

Anyway, rambling. I was a big fan of some of the singles. Not really the records (as a whole). My dad will be shocked too. He loved her music (or rather soul music.)

don't really understand how dwelling on horrible things said elsewhere on the web and even cut-and-pasting some of it here does this thread any good

any time anything sad or tragic happens in the world, ppl on ilx feel the need to post about all the shitty things that people on the internet are saying

taking the high road generally doesn't involve going HOLY SHIT CHECK OUT THOSE ASSHOLES ON THE LOW ROAD

it happens without fail

sad to meta in 4 posts, yr losin yr touch ilx

otm about it not being a good idea in general. Here i guess it serves as a reminder of the casual cruelty she faced when she was alive though. Casual cruelty that didn't exactly help someone fundamentally incapable of dealing with fame.

i love to watch random youtubes of her singing in low-key environments, like the following: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lqSKVv6YO8g&feature=related. totally amazing to me how natural and fantastic her voice is, just a gift. and she doesn't seem incredibly uncomfortable in her own skin like she sometimes does in live concert footage. this is so sad.

some dude & jordan s otm

any time anything sad or tragic happens in the world, ppl on ilx feel the need to post about all the shitty things that people on the internet are saying

― J0rdan S., Saturday, July 23, 2011 3:29 PM (7 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

dr whiney sez:

it's honestly saying "I would like to laugh at this joke, but i don't want to risk social alienation, so I'll temper it with mock outrage." It's the same way everyone was super "concerned" and "upset" about deathdrone because no one wanted to admit its just titillating to watch a psychopath wreak havoc on the internet.

Clips from the early days of her career are amazing. Both her interpretive skill and how gorgeous and full figured she looked. Vivacious, even.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CajpSeUvCPY&feature=related

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ndu9Uq-eweY

Like, I'm def NOT coming down on the guys that post that stuff like some dude and j0rdan are, I'm just saying we should be a little more honest with ourselves, y'know?

:(

http://www.popjustice.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=5570&Itemid=206

you are so dead wrong on both of those last two posts i can't even tell you, wgw

mostly my point is just that we know that the internet is terrible, we don't need it to be solemnly pointed out that people are racist

It's the same way everyone was super "concerned" and "upset" about deathdrone whiney bannings because no one wanted to admit its just titillating to watch a psychopath wreak havoc on the internet.

haha

Real talk though, it's really sad that an artist on Amy Winehouse's level has like an army of people working with her and for her—record labels, booking agents, handlers, publicists, managers, agents, accountants, lawyers... And it's like no one's job to make sure she doesn't kill herself with drugs.

sad as hell. Always meant to check out more of her music, didn't expect to do so like this.

Real talk though, it's really sad that an artist on Amy Winehouse's level has like an army of people working with her and for her—record labels, booking agents, handlers, publicists, managers, agents, accountants, lawyers... And it's like no one's job to make sure she doesn't kill herself with drugs.

― jay r?tard (Whiney G. Weingarten), Saturday, July 23, 2011 3:51 PM (22 seconds ago) Bookmark

well, hold on now

mostly my point is just that we know that the internet is terrible, we don't need it to be solemnly pointed out that people are racist

― J0rdan S., Saturday, July 23, 2011 3:48 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

otm

xxx-post
tbh I continued bitching about Whiney even when he was gone

<3 u man

I responded to one friend who made the standard "why do people talk about this when norway etc etc" claim. Not like I knew Amy Winehouse personally but I liked her music and I know enough people who are trainwrecking their way through their 20s to feel slightly more personally connected and vocal.

also people putting a horrible thought or joke online for anyone to see is a relatively minor (and in most cases unpunishable) crime and it's arguably only as bad as how many people actually do see it, so spreading the word even in outrage is a pretty dumb idea of justice

Fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck. No. No. No.

Maaaaan. I don't really have anything to say about this right now other than that this fucking sucks. :(

Oh Amy, why you do this to yourself?

Back to Black is still one of my favorite albums ever.

as with many current pop stars, I knew very little of her work, but quite liked "Rehab" and resolved to do it at some future karaoke. Will probably wait at least a year now.

yeah I regret re-posting that FB comment actually as it's nothing to do with Amy herself or her death. I was just shocked because this wasn't from 'the internet', but someone I used to get on with fairly well and gave me a horrible insight into how some people must see it/her (or like to troll, which is more likely).

maybe we can have a rolling "the worst of the web's reactions to the news of the day" thread or something to have a separate receptacle for this stuff from serious/well-meaning threads about deaths and tragedies

Yeah, it's called: NRO's The Corner: Rolling Bile, Spit, and Gnash Thread

duh dum ch

I had the same thought this afternoon, shiples!

it's honestly saying "I would like to laugh at this joke, but i don't want to risk social alienation, so I'll temper it with mock outrage." It's the same way everyone was super "concerned" and "upset" about deathdrone because no one wanted to admit its just titillating to watch a psychopath wreak havoc on the internet.

not that it's worth getting into an argument about, but this is bullshit & you're wrong, and you should sorta separate your own issues out before you make sweeping claims

God fucking damn it :(

(Also have to avoid forums in general now so I don't see the asshole commenters trying to be cool and cruel.)

I had the same thought this afternoon, shiples!

― jay r?tard (Whiney G. Weingarten), Saturday, 23 July 2011 21:02 (4 minutes ago) Bookmark

great minds...

now fuck off you cunts

god fucking damn it

fwiw i was only shitting up the thread in the short term in hopes of it being shitted up less in the long term but yeah i've made my point and will shut up

imo when someone repeatedly fucks up, it's usually because of a personal failure

when a person who is known to fuck up regularly ends up dying young like this, it's a failure of society in some way

trying to raise the level of discourse in some marginal way, probably not succeeding:
http://bloodletters.tumblr.com/post/7980466909/you-oughta-know

fwiw i was only shitting up the thread in the short term in hopes of it being shitted up less in the long term but yeah i've made my point and will shut up

― drowning cool (some dude), Saturday, July 23, 2011 4:12 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

me too

xxpost @ Josh in Chicago: If they're session pros then they're usually there to make that $$ with a smile on their face/looks of intense engagement with the music even if they couldn't really give a f*ck. And if they're really good at what they do then you shouldn't be able to tell they're hating their life as they play for you. (disclaimer: i've personally known/worked with some of these folks.)

― Vendo Caramelos A Veces Sin Dinero (Capitaine Jay Vee), Saturday, July 23, 2011 2:47 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark

Seconded. I've met session players who loved playing, utterly regardless of what that entailed. I've also met session players who hated every single second of the music they were hired to play. In both cases, from all outward appearances, these players were a) nailing it and b) enjoying themselves.

Oddly enough yesterday I was reminded of Aaliyah's 10th anniversary of her death and that BET were going to do some tribute. I was going through a website called Metafilter and saw a thread talking about her recent death. I couldn't believe all the trollish/smart ass comments about how she was nothing special or mourning a celebrity is stupid and is part of a person being indoctrinated to the brainwash of mainstream society. That really irked as I could remember actually crying listening to "It's Whatever" on headphones and crying hysterically.

At the end of the fucking day, when a fan connects to a person's music (whether they sing, sing/write, or whatever) you feel you know them to a limited extent. In the case of Amy, she was a super talented woman who I hoped would set her life straight and I feel genuinely sad for her passing. Every time I listened to Back to Black, the level of sadness permeating on that album was so deafening that I wonder if she could get control of her addictions. I also feel very angry how the media (and gawkers) would sort of bait her throughout the entire thing. I know it was her responsibility to stop drugs, but I can't help but feel like us pointing at her and calling her names didn't contribute to her downfall.

I know some of you are going to be like oh you are being humorless and super serious as usual, but I'm lucky my heart hasn't turned to stone when an artist I was a fan of dies. I guess I care too much. *shrugs*

in my experience there are a handful of dicks on Metafilter but the community as a whole is a lot kinder than that!

yeah...also the average celebrity is rarely more famous or talked about than on the day of their death, so a lot of people who have never heard of them or had any particular interest in them before are suddenly surrounded by chatter and want to join the conversation or at least react to it and say they don't understand what all the fuss is about

Yeah when it comes to the political/scientific type subjects Metafilter is great when people are being objective. However, when it comes to some social subjects/entertainment the assholes seem more apparent to me.

Notably, there's a thread on Amy Winehouse over there right now, and this is the most-favorited comment

man that site's been around forever

yeah...also the average celebrity is rarely more famous or talked about than on the day of their death, so a lot of people who have never heard of them or had any particular interest in them before are suddenly surrounded by chatter and want to join the conversation or at least react to it and say they don't understand what all the fuss is about

Guess I'm different because if it is a celebrity I don't know then I don't comment at all. Why talk about something you have no business talking about it in the first place.

prob coulda made it big if they had changed the color scheme

Also, I found that Metafilter doesn't see contemporary r&b/hip hop as a "legit" genre of music. Amy Winehouse may have get more love because she is "authentic."

uh, there are a lot of people there who do! You're kind of painting the site with a wide brush, although I'd agree there's a vocal minority that's overly bitchy about some contemporary music.

Thank you for all the video posts.. "I Heard Love Is Blind" is striking me as a particularly sad video. I didn't realize she was good-looking at one point, or that she was so talented.. kinda sad.

What year was that video? Just curious..

uh, there are a lot of people there who do! You're kind of painting the site with a wide brush

Uh, I don't think so. I rarely see anyone on there defending contemporary music that much. Maybe a few people here and there will give a good defense but it's mostly popjustice like snark but said with a bigger vocabulary and more sophisticated sarcasm. I like Metafilter as a community, but like all websites it has its cons.

Anyway, I'll stop. This should be about Amy Winehouse after all.

i know jokes are in bad taste but how is pete doherty still alive and amy not? rockism even in death.

ok more seriously, what a fucking tragic waste. like someone said upthread why wasnt there anyone looking out for her in this regard? or were they all cynical bastards out to ride the gravy train all the way to the grave. obv i know its never easy to stop an addict or someone trying to more or less kill themselves over a protracted period from doing exactly that but i really hope someone at least tried.

im just sort of shocked that this is what has happened. never expected her to die.

i think it's pretty dumb to assume that there weren't people around her trying to help her get better -- they were clearly overmatched by various other forces, but still

xp I think that take on Love is Blind is from 2004? Shortly after her first album was released. The extreme weight loss and beehive happened while Back to Black was being put together, iirc.

what do people mean when they say a tragic death is a "waste"?

that she wasted her talent?

I mean, I'm not sure if I agree with all the implications, but I think that they mean that her death (especially for reasons that they perhaps see as avoidable or within her control - again, don't necessariy agree with this) was a waste of her talent and/or future potential.

she should have made plenty more albums

same as lauryn hill really (who was one of her idols) who seems to be wasting her talent in a diff way (ok having babies isnt exactly wasting her life, but she is still wasting her talent)

she's not yours

worst internet post i've seen so far: "WHY AMY WINEHOUSE AND NOT LINDSAY LOHAN?!?! WHY??? WHY???"

Her manager Ray is a very popular and well-known guy in London, a genuinely nice man who was probably not equal to the challenge of looking after someone so troubled. As he is not a music industry leech, I'm sure he is absolutely heartbroken. OTOH, I can't think of anyone who would have been able to help her WRT her addictions.

When she was arrested a couple of years ago, she was taken to the police station 100m from my flat and it was besieged by hundreds of young female tabloid reporters who spent nearly 24 hours catcalling anyone who emerged from the station; it was really provocative, vituperative stuff and if they'd been student demonstrators or whatever acting like that, I am sure cops would have made some arrests. I have never seen so many nasty little cows converged in one spot in my life and I wanted to just line them up and start smacking them.

Anyway, RIP Amy.

...

Goodbye Amy - thank you for your music, we'll miss your great voice.

Hey drugs, you suck.

so who thinks she was really that tortured or if she was into some sort of tragic elegantly wasted thing that just got out of control? cos idk what happened to her but the way she came across when i saw her when the first - always underrated- album came out compared to when the 2nd one was released, it was like 2 diff people.

i don't know, some of the lyrics on Back to Black seemed to suggest she was hurting on a very fundamental level. I mean, these weren't merely simple "breakup" songs, these were songs questioning the foundations of love, or complete shutdown. Like the title track, while catchy as hell, is really bleak lyrically....

what do people mean when they say a tragic death is a "waste"?

― the table is the do the standing still (get bent), Saturday, July 23, 2011 5:05 PM Bookmark

I don't know what other people mean, as it is a phrase that is often applied differently, but when I said it earlier today, I meant that basically she died without reaching her full potential, either as a musician or a human being. Not meaning it in a derogatory or accusative light, just factual...that if things were different, that she may have had a lot still to contribute that she won't get to now.

xp, as i understand it, she had problems with stress, depression and nerves that were magnified enormously by being in the public spotlight. She used alcohol and drugs as something to enable her to get over that enough to get up on stage, as well as deal with all the chaos away from it. A lot of her social relationships made that harder.

I saw the headline earlier but didn't see the whole thing, and didn't realize until now. Sad. What a waste (meaning, roughly: it's easy to imagine a life for her in which she would have worked out the problems that drove her to this, and made something more of her gifts).

wow @ some of you

People asking "why weren't there people in place keeping her from killing herself" don't know a lot about addicts. No one but the addict can stop an addict from using. Rehab / AA only works if you want to get clean. That's why rehab and AA have such dismal success rates, barely 1 in 10, and also why tons of people get sober without either.

There's a reason it's called "addiction". It's not like eating too much candy corn before dinner.

it's like when Michael Jackson died, he had a doctor that tried to stop him from killing himself and giving him access to painkillers, so MJ just said "ok, well then who WILL help me get these things"? Even with maximum efforts, if the addict is doing whatever they can to procure their substances, it's extremely difficult to combat it.

I suffer from eating too much candy corn addiction, you insensitive bastard.

:(

I like using candy corn to pretend I have "fangs."

Its funny when mj died I remember ilx being a lot less respectful abt it

amy winehouse never molested kids iirc

And a lot more ppl connected w his music - the story was still incredibly sad

There's more to gawk at w/mj

MJ is a very different thing

The mysteriousness of mj's death mixed with his existing air of weirdness makes for a much different dynamic than someone who died from od'ing on less exotic drugs (and also, afaik, wasn't as far gone as mj). Sorry if I'm bein disrespectful

Jut wait until the full Dommy P-written obituary, guys.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/07/23/article-0-0D21E84200000578-84_306x541.jpg

xp MJ is arguably the most famous black dude of all time... def a different situation.

wait, what does him being black have to do with it

MJ almost doubtless ruined a number of people's lives forever by having sex with them when they were children. It's tragic that he did so because he himself was fucked up as a child, but that doesn't mitigate the monstrosity of his probable actions. He was never convicted in a court of law, but hardly anyone thinks there wasn't something deeply off in his relations with the children who stayed at his house. Anybody who can't see a massive difference between that situation & any other situation is fooling themselves, God knows why.

Because he made, Thriller, man... Thriller.

not to help hijack this thread but I don't think you can say 'almost doubtless' w/ that claim

aside from the whole molestation thing, i just think a lot of it has to do w/ age & accomplishments -- michael spiraled out but he gave us a very full career. i.e. no one said "oh, what a waste" when he died. both deaths were pretty sad & fucked up, but in different ways

People already be forgetting that, despite the revisionist post-death history, MJ was generally regarded as a "freak" for the last 20 years of his life. Winehouse just had two years as a "fuckup".

not to help hijack this thread but I don't think you can say 'almost doubtless' w/ that claim

sure you can. MJ is your classic case of money buys you a not-guilty. anybody who reads the testimony & says "oh well there's two sides to every story" is eager to make excuses for somebody whose music they like imo

mj had been a joke for 20+ years for a large part of the public, amy was a punchline for 3-4 years and with a much smaller percentage of the population

or what what whiney said

can't agree w/MJ as a "joke." the caliber of his artistry at his peak is all-time-titan stuff. his music changed the world. few compare to him in any way.

i meant as a public figure, not commenting on his artistry

ok fair enuf everybody knew he was out of his mind & probably a bad, bad dude

but i mean, i do have to say it is a little weird ILX is being so reverent about all this. the jay reatard thread had a "good riddance to bad rubbish" within the first six hours.

it's reverse sexism. that has to be it.

i was gonna go jewish conspiracy but i'll allow it

but i mean, i do have to say it is a little weird ILX is being so reverent about all this. the jay reatard thread had a "good riddance to bad rubbish" within the first six hours.

would guess that most of those people had never heard his music.

really tho, jay reatard's death was obv shitty but there's such a lineage of out of control punk dudes flaming out early that it's not as shocking as something like this

I don't really care about her music I think it's not a bad idea to be reverent towards pretty much every death in the world that isn't OBL, there doesn't have to be an argument and it doesn't have to be a contest over who you should be more or less reverent for or whether this is more important than some other event

but I think*

how dare you speak ill of our glorious leader

idk J0rdan. I mean...Winehouse is like Pete Doherty: every time you see a news item on her, you expect it to be "Winehouse is dead." She's the punk icon at the celebrity level, which is its own trope. I think the shock here is a sort of weird class-relations thing: if I had the kind of money/power (not political power, but wealth is power) that she had, you can bet your ass that I'd take care of myself. It's incomprehensible to me that somebody who gets to that level doesn't say, fuck it, I'll drop 100k on getting myself clean. What junkie actually loves his junkiedom? not many in my experience; most of them always talk about getting clean, but the prospect of being clean & poor vs. high & poor is too unattractive to pursue. So it's kind of - bizarre, hard to understand - that she died in her illness.

I was hoping that she had a little bit of Keef genetics and could pull through. I just wish it didn't feel so inevitable.

Notably, there's a thread on Amy Winehouse over there right now, and this is the most-favorited comment

― mh, Saturday, July 23, 2011 1:37 PM Bookmark

Yeah, my sister (who, coincidentally, got out of rehab today. I'm happy to see her so healthy!) and her struggles with addiction have definitely informed my reaction to this.

i...can't tell if aero is trolling? but i pretty much strongly disagree with everything he is saying

for one thing he's capitalizing the first words of each sentence, which is throwing me off

Not to further derail but there was more than dubious evidence in both instances of MJ being arrested. I still don't believe he was guilty.

I do agree they were diff situations, though.

I also do regret my comments on the Anal Cunt thread about Seth, as looking back they were poor taste.

Also hoping this thread doesn't further diverge into people projecting heavily onto others.

I didn't read the trial transcripts, but at the very least, MJ had extremely distorted boundary issues with children.

I hope it does!!

xpost

i...can't tell if aero is trolling? but i pretty much strongly disagree with everything he is saying

I don't troll like that, I may get pretty wound up & irrational but I don't post shit I don't mean to get a response & think anybody who does is, like, 5 years old tops

I don't post shit I don't mean to get a response

I don't! that's like hard for me to understand. I get that ppl do it but it is really confusing & weird to me

but anyway I have zero doubt in my mind that MJ was a child molester & think that people who wanna do all kinds of grotesque "but consider this about his accuser!!!"/"framed!!" bullshit are just fooling themselves/conspiracy theory addicts/etc

"I also do regret my comments on the Anal Cunt thread about Seth, as looking back they were poor taste."

let's not underrate this sentence.

Matt Armstong otm, that's a new board description candidate if ever there was one

that was bad enough; i was more referring to what you were saying about addiction and money

xp

Seriously, fuck the internet and fuck the people of this world, this is horrible news and so heartbreaking to think of so much squandered potential and talent. Thoughts and sympathies to her families and friends, I hope that this makes some people think long and hard about themselves and the people they are, and how we deal with substance abuse and addiction so it wasn't all in vain.

there's no way of responding to this without being 'that guy', but at least the internet zingers are honest with themselves. 'some people' are not going to think long and hard about substance abuse because amy winehouse died, don't be silly. they evidently didn't think too much about it when she was busy squandering her talent over the last few years. if her friends and family thought about it, nothing was achieved by doing so; and im guessing that not all her friends had her best interests at heart. it's hard to be heartbroken over something inevitable, though i guess bursting out laughing (my reaction) was unchill.

maybe bill mcgill would be happier if he didn't post on the michael jackson threads

Her whole public image was a self-aware drug addict. It was pushed so hard that it seemed kinda fake. So it's like "it worked, u have money, now clean up"

(Re: aerosmith's point)

k3v tell me about your experiences in the field of health care, plz, I'm sure this will be illuminating

idk J0rdan. I mean...Winehouse is like Pete Doherty: every time you see a news item on her, you expect it to be "Winehouse is dead." She's the punk icon at the celebrity level, which is its own trope. I think the shock here is a sort of weird class-relations thing: if I had the kind of money/power (not political power, but wealth is power) that she had, you can bet your ass that I'd take care of myself. It's incomprehensible to me that somebody who gets to that level doesn't say, fuck it, I'll drop 100k on getting myself clean. What junkie actually loves his junkiedom? not many in my experience; most of them always talk about getting clean, but the prospect of being clean & poor vs. high & poor is too unattractive to pursue. So it's kind of - bizarre, hard to understand - that she died in her illness.

― pathos of the unwarranted encore (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Saturday, 23 July 2011 23:56 (Yesterday) Permalink

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KUmZp8pR1uc

RIP

― Dom Passantino, Sunday, December 16, 2007 6:42 PM (3 years ago)

ichlugebullets Dom
Come on guys, a rich white person has died, show some respect.
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So, when's the third album due then? It was supposedly ready last year, iirc?

i'm so glad the thread has reached the "pointless bickering about michael jackson" and the "c/ping dom passantino" stage

but yeah cut both of those out

k3v tell me about your experiences in the field of health care, plz, I'm sure this will be illuminating

― pathos of the unwarranted encore (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Saturday, July 23, 2011 7:30 PM (10 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

cmon dude you know better than going down this appeal to authority route

she's is not the first rich person to die of an overdose - maybe it's less frequent, but it's far from without precedent

moins 'is'

k3v tell me about your experiences in the field of health care, plz, I'm sure this will be illuminating

― pathos of the unwarranted encore (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Saturday, July 23, 2011 8:30 PM (7 minutes ago)

i'll be a hospital pharmacist in less than two years. i have less experience than you do, and knowing your background in health care i was suprised by what you said. we can let it lie if you'd like

this lol was at the dom c/p but has been reassigned to the lex post

iatee you're right & so's k3v I got my own ex-junkie issues here, it is mystifying to me that ppl w/resources don't get their priorities straight - I did, after several years of hard-stuff addiction, and I didn't really even have any compelling reason to get my shit together

but yeah it's my junkie self that says "what the fuck you dumb shit" to dead junkies, not my nurse self. I never knew a junkie to die without his best friends saying "wow, what an asshole" the minute they heard

this lol was at the dom c/p but has been reassigned to the lex post

what was funny about the dom post? why the fuck do we care what he has to say on this? (or on anything.)

it is mystifying to me that ppl w/resources don't get their priorities straight - I did, after several years of hard-stuff addiction

i guess amy was still in the "several years" stage even though everyone was hoping she'd move on to the "get her priorities straight" stage.

why the fuck do we care what he has to say on this? (or on anything.

because he was like the undisputed best poster ILX ever had, for starters

o_0

we're cool aero

I find "RIP" for people who aren't dead amusing, period

I do not concur w/Whiney's assessment of Dom as a poster tho

k3v just ftr we can beef any time & I'll always consider u a bro so don't abstain from going off on me when you think I'm full of shit!! I'm punk & believe that getting called out is healthy

I find "RIP" for people who aren't dead amusing, period

idgi

dom was a tedious little boy and ilx improved immeasurably once he was finally kicked off

look dude I actually agree w/you on that point I am not in the free dom clique but he brought some lols from time to time

describing anyone with "he brought the lols" = warning sign, it makes me think of like 4chan (also a guarantee that they were never ever funny)

idi amin brought lolz from time to time too, but that's not what he's best remembered for.

well maybe he is at this point.

not the lols, some lols. he was also a dick who sent hateful trash to some of my favorite ppl here. even I (kind of notoriously the most orthodox-thinking dude around here! iirc) won't go "you're a dick so no lol/otm for you"

Something weird abt this whole conversation to me. "its ok not to be reverant about mj cuz he fucked kids" ... Like what? I brought up mj bcuz I thought the tone of the board had shifted not because it makes sense to be more irreverant abt mj (highly arguable imo but also a weird gross thing to bother arguing abt)

the tone of the board has def shifted

Once you quit smoking/drinking/drugs too I guess, you think everyone could do it because you (think you definitively) succeeded. So you call them weak, they call you annoying and they smoke/drink one just to annoy you back, in my experience. Only people who want to stop want to stop.

No idea if this is still relevant to the discussion btw

Public figures are either open targets or theyre not, ymmv, but acting like it makes sense that wed be more respectful of winehousr is o_O

I actually got really upset & fucked up about AW dying even though I didn't give a shit about her music so as should be clear to all by now I'm just working out my own issues on this thread

amy winehouse was a very talented drug addict whose death was tragic but explicable. mj was a genius but also a 40 year saga played out in the most possible public way, with bizarre and possibly criminal turns galore, and a finale that was shocking. people had a long time to build up any number of equally held but seemingly conflicting takes on the man. whereas winehouse had an eight year career, four of which she was out of whack, and two albums, so not much to say beyond so sad.

not much to say about her death. plenty to say about how her career played out vis a vis the media, and her music.

this doesn't take a genius to parse out.

^ strongo otm x3

I think today shows how many ppl were really rooting for her to recover, maybe more than I expected. Even cynical news types were just ... sad.

Like most I wasn't shocked to hear this but I was interested in her new album when it was mentioned after her final performance a month ago.

it makes me think of like 4chan (also a guarantee that they were never ever funny)

It's been reduced to people whining about being forever alone and obsessions with actresses on most boards.

Once you quit smoking/drinking/drugs too I guess, you think everyone could do it because you (think you definitively) succeeded. So you call them weak, they call you annoying and they smoke/drink one just to annoy you back, in my experience. Only people who want to stop want to stop.

yeah this is otm

I get really upset when talented junkies die.

she wasn't so talented tho, unless i'm missing something.

she had a lovely voice, she was zaftig before the kit kicked in, she was 27, the age i turned today, when she died. i feel for her. rip.

because he was like the undisputed best poster ILX ever had, for starters

― Dave Coolaid for Sade (Whiney G. Weingarten)

never sb whiney ever again. guy gets it.

poor girl, kind surprised reading this how many of you like her music

problem with the Dom tweet is that it's pretty lame by his standards.

xp MJ is arguably the most famous black dude of all time... def a different situation.
― billstevejim, Saturday, July 23, 2011 7:37 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

wait, what does him being black have to do with it
― J0rdan S., Saturday, July 23, 2011 7:38 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark

It doesn't have to do with anything other than explaining his fame.. He was ridiculously famous when compared to anyone, let alone Amy Winehouse... His death was more of an "event" thant most over the past few years..

i don't think his fame can be explained by "he was black", but alright

I'm with strongo.

i'll now cede the rest of my time to the king http://twitter.com/#!/normmacdonald/status/94937365151367168

o jeez

this is so very sad.

RIP Amy.

Bugger.

i'll now cede the rest of my time to the king http://twitter.com/#!/normmacdonald/status/94937365151367168

Assholes gotta stink.

Happy birthday jim in glasgow

Just remembered this happened. My heart's a bit broken today. RIP Amy

Loved the songs I heard and the presence she had

:-(

she wasn't so talented tho, unless i'm missing something.

you are. she was so much more than a amazing voice, which no end of faux-60s retro chanteuses that followed in her wake failed to understand. her songs were great, charismatic, sad, and so full of life, and that's why people give a shit about her.

i keep thinking about a show i saw her play at bush hall around the time Frank came out, and she was so vivacious, so full of life. was stunned to see her circa back to black, all junked out and skinny. i really thought she'd pull it together somehow, and really hoped she would, because, beyond the simple human tragedy of a young girl dying, she was really hugely talented.

she was so much more than a amazing voice, which no end of faux-60s retro chanteuses that followed in her wake failed to understand. her songs were great, charismatic, sad, and so full of life, and that's why people give a shit about her.

yeah this is really the essence of it. she was a great, great songwriter.

so truly sad.

oh mother of earth the wind is hot
i tried my best but i could not

Oh well, we've got lots of people typing RIP now, it's what she would have wanted

also a few people clicking SB

This is actually very good and worth a read:

http://www.russellbrand.tv/2011/07/for-amy/

oh mother of earth the wind is hot
i tried my best but i could not

― estela, Sunday, 24 July 2011 11:43 (1 hour ago) Bookmark

<3

I'll never understand having such a personal emotional reaction to a celebrity's death that snarkiness hurts or offends you. But diff'rent strokes...

I'll never understand having such a personal emotional reaction to a celebrity's death that you think a RIP thread needs snarkiness. But diff'rent strokes...

Stan otm

I'll never understand the sort of personal callousness that leads someone to believe that because a human being is a "celebrity," that somehow precludes basic human decency and dignity with regards to discussing their death. But diff'rent strokes..

I like this new Never Understand/Diff'rent Strokes meme.

I never understood "Diff'rent Strokes."

dropping an e can impair comprehension what a horribly formed joke

Schlump is your dn a reference to the short-lived jewsrock.org?

I'll never understand the sort of personal callousness that leads someone to believe that because a human being is a "celebrity," that somehow precludes basic human decency and dignity with regards to discussing their death. But diff'rent strokes..

― Aphex Twin … in my vagina? (Karen D. Tregaskin), Sunday, July 24, 2011 10:30 AM (9 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

c/p this into every ilx rip thread imo

Schlump is your dn a reference to the short-lived jewsrock.org?

i think so yeah; i was reading something somewhere which featured a piece by a contributor, containing the snappy description.

I successfully pitched a piece about Norman Greenbaum to that site and never finished it. He was such a boring interview that I couldn't find any angle -- he basically has a script he sticks to and won't deviate from. The script would be interesting if there weren't already several other pieces floating around the net relying on it.

<3 u man

I responded to one friend who made the standard "why do people talk about this when norway etc etc" claim. Not like I knew Amy Winehouse personally but I liked her music and I know enough people who are trainwrecking their way through their 20s to feel slightly more personally connected and vocal.

― mh, Saturday, July 23, 2011 2:54 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

mh, thank you for this. I was trying to put together my thoughts on this matter when I read your post. I quoted you in response to a friend saying he wished people cared as much about Norway's problems as they do about "a boring singer who had every opportunity in life and chose to throw it away."

ppl who tell you that you need to prioritize yr caring or whatever are unbelievably tedious.

Otm. This zero sum gain thinking is stupid. Can we not care about and discuss more than one thing?

Honestly the smugness of such sentiment says more about them than the people they criticize. It's no better than saying "people are starving in Ethiopia, how dare you be upset about something much smaller!"

Sympathy should be hoarded, parceled out, and then elaborately placed in the upturned palm of the deserving like a shiny nickel

brb gotta deliver 7.5 pounds of sympathy to norway

One dude I know last night wrote his typical "I'm sure I'll get shit for this, but good riddance..." rants on Winehouse (sidebar: isn't it funny that these same people seem so eager to hide behind "b-b-but it's my opinion, man!").

His offended me more than most and I couldn't remember why, until this morning I remembered that I did a play with him a few years ago that he disappeared from two weeks prior to closing, never to return...because he had a relapse with designer drugs and was strung out in some remote location.

In short, people are full of shit!

I don't have any deep insights, especially on the topic of celebrity overdose death versus horrendous massacre of ninety people, but three random thoughts:

1. Seeing graphics with "198x-2011" is freaking me out.
2. Shut the fuck up about musicians dying at 27.
3. Those makeshift shrines with bottles of booze are a bit dodgy.

someone was playing a really beautiful acoustic version of "Me and Mr. Jones" backstage last night...I'm guessing it was from AOL Sessions? <3

These people can't accept that you can *know* the massacre in Norway is a bigger, more horrible thing whilst simultaneously feeling more personally connected to and affected by the death of Amy Winehouse. One is - in a way, thankfully - beyond our comprehension, the other is not.

I don't love her music but totally see why others do. I'm really sorry she's died and it's dreadfully sad it couldn't have worked out another way.

TBH, I was not really emotionally affected by the violence in Norway. I did think "man that is terrible" but it hasn't been on my mind as much AW's death. Like I told my friend, an emotional filter based on your connection to a person or place or thing is normal and necessary. (He was calling such a filter selfish.)

these are generally people who can't come to grips with their own flaws and therefore are overcompensating by projecting heavily. They're the same people who criticize survivors for not appearing 'upset enough' when someone close to them dies.

I'll never understand having such a personal emotional reaction to a celebrity's death that snarkiness hurts or offends you. But diff'rent strokes...

c'mon jaymc you're a smart lad and not, as far as i'm aware, emotionally autistic. you do understand this, really. even if you don't, whyever did you think it necessary to tell us that in this thread? i'm sure your thoughts are very profound and insightful but it's not really hard to keep them to yourself at times like this.

I'll never understand having such a personal emotional reaction to a celebrity's death that you think a RIP thread needs snarkiness. But diff'rent strokes...

― StanM, Sunday, July 24, 2011 2:25 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

otm

I'll never understand the sort of personal callousness that leads someone to believe that because a human being is a "celebrity," that somehow precludes basic human decency and dignity with regards to discussing their death. But diff'rent strokes..

― Aphex Twin … in my vagina? (Karen D. Tregaskin), Sunday, July 24, 2011 2:30 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

and otm

kind of think we should have a seperate thread for discussing the psychology and politics of talking about celebrity death on the internet, since this thread seems to have been a powder keg for the issue, imo

start it. it'll prob take off quickly

i was gonna start a thread for people who wanted to be douches in an RIP thread but were undouchey enough to take it elsewhere

surprised there isnt already a shakey mo tribute thread tbh

xxxp i think Dave is right. i've seen people doing that whole ridiculous 'OMG who cares about DEAD CELEB X' thing on twitter and facebook a million times but i've never seen so many people being so upset and angered by those kind of comments coming from within their own presumed circle. it's been a real eye opener this weekend; a great time for a Facebook 'friend' cull and such.

It does feel a little weird though: before yesterday she was just this train wreck who made a couple of good albums a long time ago (neutral feeling, no real opinion, shit happens, it's her life, too bad but aren't lying awake worrying about her) but now she's dead, it's suddenly very sad because she'll never recover and make new and maybe even good albums for sure now and that's a waste and a shame.

It's like Schrödinger's cat: when she was still both destroying her life and able to recover, vs. the box has been opened and only one reality exists.

(Yes, Amy Winehouse's death and the reactions are related to quantum physics. Time to go to bed, StanM)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDqfBJgHdwE

This interview kills me, especially when JR asks her if the record company have tried to mold her (i.e. into a more conventional pop star) and she responds: "Yeah, one of them tried to mold me into a big triangle shape, and I went “no!”"

Thanks for posting that, Alex. It's lovely.

Wow. I wasn't familiar with her before she became a mess. It's nice to see her so seeming downright bubbly.

yeah, that's what i was going to say -- when she first crossed my radar, she was already as famous for being as mess as for her music.

she's very jewish looking isn't she?

just reading that russell brand blog post now... i've always hated the guy's work passionately, but that was really good

Yeah, that Amy Winehouse TV interview was great, wasn't it? Compare and contrast that with the shambling mess of every subsequent TV appearance, and it's as good an advert for "don't do drugs, kids!" as you'll see.

she's very jewish looking isn't she?

...?

Dawg, she was Jewish.

Great Quietus piece Lex.

xp amateurist, you did know she was Jewish when you wrote that, right?

Yes, that's excellent lex.

yes

xpost

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/tricia-fox/self-employed-risks_b_907921.html

it's what we were all thinking

Is that writer concluding that Winehouse died because she didn't go to the gym enough?

No, because she didn't attend any seminars on how to build a home-based business.

I think if AW had been six sigma certified she wouldn't be dead now.

In honor of Amy Winehouse I am going to have a salad at lunchtime, maybe an apple as well. It's been too long.

Amy went to the gym in the basement of the building i work in. Colleagues used to see her with full make-up / beehive pedalling languidly on the exercise bikes. Not sure how long she stuck at it but it's kind of a poignant reminder that there were points during her life when she was actively trying to improve her health situation.

Last night, M.I.A. posted a track called "27" on Soundcloud. She wrote on Twitter, "i recorded this song B4 vickileekx and never put it out. its a unfinished demo." She added, "R.I.P A.M.Y."

Amy Winehouse was found dead yesterday in her London home at age 27.

On the Soundcloud page, M.I.A. wrote that the track is "dedicated to all my friends that died at 27."

Posted by Amy Phillips on July 24, 2011 at 11:45 a.m.

Tags: M.I.A., Amy Winehouse, Audio

"dedicated to all my friends that died at 27."

how many does she know?

the bottle shrine thing is a bit creepy and i worry that even in 2011 people think this is somehow still a 'cool' thing to happen but then when an alcoholic relative of mine died we put a bottle and pack of fags in his coffin too :|

actually i dont know why i did the :| emoticon, we put those things in there cos thats what he would have wanted. even if we didnt want him to want them.

Reminds me of that Private Eye spoof about Jeffrey Bernard, he died a few days after Diana, something about crowds of grieving people leaving empty bottles of gin and vodka in an impromptu shrine to "the man they called the People's Pisshead"

^^^Not wholly a spoof...

http://pitchfork.com/features/articles/8011-appreciation-amy-winehouse/

this is the best obit ive read so far. they know their shit and they get what made her so special. unlike most of the dullard guardian writers.

thx dorian and ismael.

i gather for a while amy got into the gym to the point of obsession - as per this interview with hr from back in the day, just before the wheels startd to come off http://entertainment.timesonline.co.uk/tol/arts_and_entertainment/music/article623366.ece

i loved sophie's obit: http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/razor-sharp-winehouse-changed-the-music-scene-for-ever-2319530.html

its so weird when you think what she was like when frank came out - she was hilarious whenever i saw her being interviewed on tv or in the press. total contrast to what happened afterwards.

i cant be the only one wondering what the demos she did recently with ronson are like and if theyre fit for release.

i read somewher that she'd actually completed her 3rd album and and turned it in to the label. dunno how accurate that is. i'm sure we'll see it emerge soon, and i'm looking forward to that.

The @tweetbox360 Twitter account, which is run by the Microsoft UK PR team, tweeted this morning: “Remember Amy Winehouse by downloading the ground-breaking ‘Back to Black’ over at Zune”.

rueful chuckle @ that, because really what else are you going to do

I'll marvel that Zune is being marketed at all anywhere still.

The @tweetbox360 Twitter account, which is run by the Microsoft UK PR team, tweeted this morning: “Amy Winehouse died but you don't have to -- give us your money and download 'Back to Black' And tell your friends to do it too!!”.

really liked the p-fork piece strongo

yes it was excellent

thanks dudes

listening to back to black now, really is amazing how it feels at once classic and contemporary...not an easy trick

for real xp

Thoughts from David McAlmont, perhaps just as appropriate for the celebrities and death thread...

classic and contemp is just winehouse in general though

much as i loved frank when it came out and was slightly dissapointed at how full on retro BTB was i do think it is the stronger album

it is seriously gutting that it will be her last

I wouldn't bet against the unreleased material being released as album 3, imho.

I'd be surprised if it amounts to much, sadly - her voice had been shot for years so far as I could tell.

unreleased material album is a fait accompli; it being bad is a close second

Maybe if Diddy turns it into duets? (/hides)

organized by Clive Davis.

ft. eminem

and will.i.am

Last night, M.I.A. posted a track called "27" on Soundcloud. She wrote on Twitter, "i recorded this song B4 vickileekx and never put it out. its a unfinished demo." She added, "R.I.P A.M.Y."

less "heartfelt tribute", more "sensing an opportunity" then

alex james can fuck off too, while we're at it

she didnt even take the time to finish it

MIAs comment sounds really stupid. i almost expected her to say 'for a fallen soldier' or something.

man back to black is such a classic

Excellent obits by the ilxors.

stellar cover imho

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hwi2pk16x38

(that's from 2008 btw)

which winehouse songs are doing well on US itunes this week? in the UK atm, "back to black" is at 7, "tears dry on their own" at 21, "rehab" at 29, "love is a losing game" at 31, "you know i'm no good" at 37, "valerie" at 48, "will you still love me tomorrow" at 69.

top few make sense, bit surprised "love is a losing game" isn't higher? i had no idea she'd ever even covered "will you still love me tomorrow". debut album continues to be overlooked.

i've had a bit of a winehouse listening binge but the one song i can't bring myself to listen to right now is "rehab".

rehab #11
you know i'm no good #39
back to black #40
valerie #65
tears dry on their own #126

> which winehouse songs are doing well on US itunes this week?

Also, it's fun to go to the lower right corner of the iTMS and change the flag badge to a different country, and check out charts and samples from their iTMS.

"you know i'm no good" is the one that fucking kills me every time.

no one ever talks about it but my fav is he can only hold her

my sleeper fav on the debut is "you sent me flying" - she sounds like danny boy at times

otm

"Stronger Than Me" is pretty vicious too...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/14307060

Excellent work there Keri.

oh thats not so bad, its just a bit stupid

It's worse than the Alex James thing that ppl were handwringing about the other day.

stupid tweet, rapidly apologised for vs running to the press to make a stupid, egocentric, look-at-me statement