TS: Definitely Maybe vs. Parklife vs. Different Class vs. Dog Man Star

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My vote goes to Different Class.

― Michael Copeland, Saturday, 30 April 2005 02:51 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah, same here. I don't think I own DMS anymore.

― Rickey Wright (Rrrickey), Saturday, 30 April 2005 03:13 (twenty-one years ago)

no competition, really

― chris andrews (fraew), Saturday, 30 April 2005 03:29 (twenty-one years ago)

1. Different Class
2. Dog Man Star
3. Parklife
4. Definitely Maybe

― BeeOK (boo radley), Saturday, 30 April 2005 09:17 (twenty-one years ago)

how about option #5: "None of the above?" Hardly the best album from any of those four bands. The only one you could argue would be "Parklife," but I STILL like "Leisure" more.

― hector savage, Saturday, 30 April 2005 09:59 (twenty-one years ago)

HD - whats your favourite Pulp album?

I mean, i love 'this is hardcore' and 'his'n'hers', 'we love life' is pretty steller, and i dig the early material too... but you can't really ignore 'different class'. it stands out as the pinnacle of their career quite authoritatively

― chris andrews (fraew), Saturday, 30 April 2005 10:20 (twenty-one years ago)

parklife

― Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Saturday, 30 April 2005 11:21 (twenty-one years ago)

WTF?

Dog Man Star by a country mile.

Then:

Different Class (This is Hardcore and We Love Life are better tho)
Parklife
Definately Maybe

― Cza, Saturday, 30 April 2005 12:07 (twenty-one years ago)

Different Class

― Atnevon (Atnevon), Saturday, 30 April 2005 12:07 (twenty-one years ago)

DMS

― shaun kinski (shaun kinski), Saturday, 30 April 2005 12:23 (twenty-one years ago)

wow DMS really overrated then!

Yeah it's not a bad album, but it's still a Suede album and they are & were pretty rubbish without the rose-tinted spectacles of ex-Smiths lovers/Brit-Pop nostalgia to see through.

Pulp gave a dignity to this period I'm not sure it deserved.

DC obviously.

The answer is Defintely Maybe in real life though isn't it? By thousands of miles. Anything else is revisionism whether you hate them or not (and I do).

― bert anderson, Saturday, 30 April 2005 12:33 (twenty-one years ago)

For makers of trashy secondhand singles, Suede were pretty much unbeatable up until Elastica came along, and "Dog Man Star" is probably the most genius Bowie rip until Bowie's own "Heathen" 8 years later.

So, my vote's for "Different Class," followed by "Dog Man Star."

― Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Saturday, 30 April 2005 12:42 (twenty-one years ago)

Parklife. Though I listen to Different Class more these days. I find Definitely Maybe unlistenable now (though not then).

― Billy Pilgrim (Billy Pilgrim), Saturday, 30 April 2005 13:33 (twenty-one years ago)

My opinion of "Parklife" has plummetted since the 90's, but I still can't bring myself to rank it above DMS

1. DC
2. PL
3. DMS
4. DM

― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Saturday, 30 April 2005 13:51 (twenty-one years ago)

I haven't listened to Different Class in a long while it scared me a lot when I was 11 and all my views are tainted by this. Dog Man Star is loveable OTT and crazy grandiosity to the ceilings. Last time I heard Defintely Maybe I was suprised at how noisy it was. The answer is Parklife though, I can still not get a handle on This Is A Low it still seems to float away from me, it still makes me want to come back.

― elwisty (elwisty), Saturday, 30 April 2005 13:54 (twenty-one years ago)

Parklife

― Roadkill Bingo (Roadkill Bingo), Saturday, 30 April 2005 14:03 (twenty-one years ago)

I only have PL and DM and Oasis would win it for me there.

― Nick H (Nick H), Saturday, 30 April 2005 14:07 (twenty-one years ago)

Are Pulp the only Brit-pop act to actually transcend their influences, or were people just far less familiar with their reference points?

Was that their genius, to be the one band recording at the time to not revel in the mind-numbingly obvious, and nostalgic?

― djfbghj, Saturday, 30 April 2005 14:12 (twenty-one years ago)

Parklife - Blur at their peak.
Definitely Maybe - probably Oasis at their peak, but I always thought they were one of the most overrated groups ever.
DogManStar - not Suede's greatest moment.
Different Class - I never really liked Pulp. The music was nothing special and Jarvis's arch delivery used to get on my nerves.

So... Parklife.

― The Horse of Babylon's Butler (the pirate king), Saturday, 30 April 2005 14:40 (twenty-one years ago)

Damon and Brett had mannered vocals in spades, to my ears far more annoyingly than Pulp but YMMV.

Oasis would have been nothing without Liam's vocals. Noel could have made it on his own but not as a bandleader.

― djfbghj, Saturday, 30 April 2005 14:47 (twenty-one years ago)

Different Class has the best singles but I prefer Parklife as a whole

― miccio (miccio), Saturday, 30 April 2005 14:54 (twenty-one years ago)

[lots of stuff]
Different Class
[lots and lots of stuff]
Dog Man Star
Parklife
[the rest of the world]
Definitely Maybe

― The Lex (The Lex), Saturday, 30 April 2005 15:01 (twenty-one years ago)

DC is one of those weird albums where the whole concept and total fruition of a bands ideas & goals is so perfect that it's almost churlish to point out that the tunes weren't *quite* as good as a previous record (i.e. His'n'hers, by a small margin).

Blur = Meh.

OK to the max, all of their records have 'decent' songs on & they're a much more consistent band than their uber-fans acknowledge.

This is coming from the POV of someone who's never found them remotely engaging or in any way special. Girls & Boys is their best song, and Damon has just about atoned for himself by having an interesting post-Blur career.

LEX OTMFM.

― djfbghj, Saturday, 30 April 2005 15:04 (twenty-one years ago)

Definitely Maybe was, is, and always shall be....garbage.
Parklife was not my favorite from them, but had some great songs to recommend it.
Different Class is a thousand times better than both of the above.
Dog Man Star I never bought. I quite liked the first Suede album, though, and later ones weren't bad either.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 30 April 2005 15:25 (twenty-one years ago)

In my post up above, by "above", I meant "below". PL > DMS, as ranked.

I have a strange relationship with DMS. When I'm not listening to it, sometimes I think "what did I see in this album?". But every time I hear it, I'm swept away. This isn't a recent phenomenon either, I used to think this way even when it came out.

― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Saturday, 30 April 2005 16:20 (twenty-one years ago)

yeah, MindinRewind, OTM. I hadn't played in years, adn then three Sundays ago, enduring a vile hangover, I put it on. I was reminded why I loved it in '94. It's so utterly bombastic - the strings, Anderson's singing, Butler's junk-guitar - that it's impossible not to love.

"Parklife" hasn't held up very well, and to Americans most of it is well nigh incomprehensible; it's the Jam problem all over again. I still like Blur as a single act and for their eponymous album as well as half of "13," but they gave you far less to chew on than Pulp or Suede.

― Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Saturday, 30 April 2005 16:28 (twenty-one years ago)

Pulp gave a dignity to this period I'm not sure it deserved. soooo otm. different class by many many many miles above everything else here, then pl>dm>dms

― j blount (papa la bas), Saturday, 30 April 2005 20:39 (twenty-one years ago)

1. Parklife
2. Different Class
3. Dog Man Star
4. Definitely Maybe

However, none of those are their best albums, so let me add this list:

1. The Great Escape
2. (What's The Story) Morning Glory)
3. Coming Up
4. We Love Life

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Saturday, 30 April 2005 21:05 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah, a DM vs PL vs DMS vs His N Hers question would have made more sense.

― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Saturday, 30 April 2005 21:11 (twenty-one years ago)

It warms my heart to see so much love for Pulp (although I rate His n Hers as their best. Well on most days)

― D. Bachyrycz, Saturday, 30 April 2005 21:36 (twenty-one years ago)

Was that their genius, to be the one band recording at the time to not revel in the mind-numbingly obvious, and nostalgic?

Nostalgia was the genius of the others. Never before or since has nostalgia been more needed in music than it was in the mid 90s.

Sadly, Britpop didn't help get away with hip-hop, but at least it reinstated melody.

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Saturday, 30 April 2005 21:38 (twenty-one years ago)

Btw, regarding my last list, "We Love Life" is currently ranked as my #288 fave album ever, which is not at all bad. They were all great, all four of those acts. And overall, I'd rank Pulp ahead of Suede.

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Saturday, 30 April 2005 21:39 (twenty-one years ago)

And anyway, the award for best Britpop album ever goes to "Free Peace Sweet" by Dodgy.

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Saturday, 30 April 2005 21:40 (twenty-one years ago)

"Parklife" because i listened to it yesterday

― Aerodynamic (Aerodynamic), Saturday, 30 April 2005 22:10 (twenty-one years ago)

1. Different Class
2. Dog Man Star
3. Parklife
4. Definitely Maybe

― Robin Goad (rgoad), Saturday, 30 April 2005 23:28 (twenty-one years ago)

I actually think people are underrating Definitely Maybe in this thread! Try not to think about everything Oasis has done since then and it's not so bad really.

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Sunday, 1 May 2005 01:35 (twenty-one years ago)

"Definitely Maybe" is the worst thing by Oasis. A couple of good songs, but way too much guitar noise, and sounding WAY too little like The Beatles.

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Sunday, 1 May 2005 01:40 (twenty-one years ago)

Even "Be Here Now" is a better album than the way too noisy hard rock album "Definitely Maybe"

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Sunday, 1 May 2005 01:41 (twenty-one years ago)

different class, followed just behind by dog man star, with parklife pretty far behind that (I like Leisure much more), and definitely maybe somewhere in another race

― kyle (akmonday), Sunday, 1 May 2005 01:44 (twenty-one years ago)

Ha ha Geir I think our criteria for judging Oasis are exactly opposite!

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Sunday, 1 May 2005 01:51 (twenty-one years ago)

The good thing about Oasis is they made melodic good-old-fashioned song-oriented music fashionable again. In spite of that, however, they made only one really good album, and that one was "Morning Glory", with Oasis classics such as "Wonderwall", "Don't Look Back In Anger" and "Champagne Supernova" on it.

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Sunday, 1 May 2005 02:04 (twenty-one years ago)

grow the fuck up, kids.
blur are for the children.
oasis are for the lads.
suede are for the homos

Different Class by a fair stretch.

― Nic de Teardrop (Nicholas), Sunday, 1 May 2005 02:12 (twenty-one years ago)

Lots of homos like Pulp, though! There's something endlessly gay about Candida Doyle's lovely swirling keyboards!

― edward o (edwardo), Sunday, 1 May 2005 02:50 (twenty-one years ago)

Nah, Pulp are for fauxmos.

― Frogm@n Henry, Sunday, 1 May 2005 03:06 (twenty-one years ago)

You come over hear in a tutu and say that.

― edward o (edwardo), Sunday, 1 May 2005 03:11 (twenty-one years ago)

HERE. Ugh.

― edward o (edwardo), Sunday, 1 May 2005 03:11 (twenty-one years ago)

I JUST WANT TO LIVE MY LIFE THIS WAY

― Frogm@n Henry, Sunday, 1 May 2005 03:13 (twenty-one years ago)

Please understand. We don't want no trouble. We just want the right to be different. That's all.

― BeeOK (boo radley), Sunday, 1 May 2005 06:40 (twenty-one years ago)

"The good thing about Oasis is they made melodic good-old-fashioned song-oriented music fashionable again."

Um, Geir, did it ever go away?

― Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Sunday, 1 May 2005 12:58 (twenty-one years ago)

The good thing about Oasis is they made melodic good-old-fashioned song-oriented music fashionable again.

Funny, I thought that's what the Spice Girls did.

― joseph cotten (joseph cotten), Sunday, 1 May 2005 15:39 (twenty-one years ago)

I haven't heard Dog Man Star, so we'll just bin it. Of the rest?

Different Class is head and shoulders ahead. Definitely Maybe only gets points for nostalgia (I was into it when I was, like, 13). Parklife is better, but didn't get as much play this guy back then.

― giboyeux (skowly), Sunday, 1 May 2005 15:51 (twenty-one years ago)

Parklife. "This is a Low" is reason enough for me. Children have the best taste in pop music anyways.

Different Class might have taken it, but I have no idea what the last 3 songs sound like. I have the same problem with This is Hardcore. Pulp were always pretty bad at giving me a reason to stick around for the finale.

Definitly Maybe has a few winning tracks, but is way too dirgy for me to listen to as a full album. Suede...no.

― jason., Sunday, 1 May 2005 16:09 (twenty-one years ago)

Um, Geir, did it ever go away?

On the singles hitlists, there wasn't a lot of it (manufactured preteen pop written by professional songwriters/machine producers doesn't count)

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Sunday, 1 May 2005 16:41 (twenty-one years ago)

Funny, I thought that's what the Spice Girls did.

Spice Girls provided nothing musically themselves, and thus don't count. Plus Oasis predated them anyway.

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Sunday, 1 May 2005 16:42 (twenty-one years ago)

Off the top of my head Pulp's finales are first class... Underwear/ Monday Morning and Bar Italia on Different Class are highlights... Glory Days/ The Day After the Revolution on This is Hardcore... Sunrise is the final bow of We Love Life. What more do you want? His n'Hers I accept wraps up in disappointing fashion.

Don't understand the Suede hate here - much, much better band that Oasis and Blur.

― Czam, Sunday, 1 May 2005 17:01 (twenty-one years ago)

Parklife. "This is a Low" is reason enough for me.

EXACTLY. YES. OTM. etc etc

― elwisty (elwisty), Sunday, 1 May 2005 17:16 (twenty-one years ago)

On the singles hitlists, there wasn't a lot of it (manufactured preteen pop written by professional songwriters/machine producers doesn't count)

Why on earth not? The Spice Girls have a half a dozen songs as good if not better than Oasis (so does Kylie).

― Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Sunday, 1 May 2005 19:32 (twenty-one years ago)

Fuck Definitely Maybe up its stupid ass.

Different Class and Parklife by a country mile, and they really do go very well together (The Great Escape and This Is Hardcore go equally well together :))

― Jessie the Monster (scarymonsterrr), Sunday, 1 May 2005 19:44 (twenty-one years ago)

suede are for the homos

Oh yeah, `cos Pulp...they were dead butch, weren't they.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Sunday, 1 May 2005 20:35 (twenty-one years ago)

Jarvis Cocker is such a man's man.

― Jessie the Monster (scarymonsterrr), Sunday, 1 May 2005 20:50 (twenty-one years ago)

Why on earth not? The Spice Girls have a half a dozen songs as good if not better than Oasis (so does Kylie).

Spice and Spiceworld both beat several kinds of shit out of all four albums being discussed here.

― The Lex (The Lex), Sunday, 1 May 2005 21:17 (twenty-one years ago)

Why on earth not? The Spice Girls have a half a dozen songs as good if not better than Oasis (so does Kylie).

Not in any way. Plus they are disqualified because they didn't write anything themselves (and don't bring up Elvis, because he was worthless as well)

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Sunday, 1 May 2005 22:17 (twenty-one years ago)

Geir, Geir, Geir. It is pretty well known that the Spice Girls wrote nearly all their own lyrics and contributed VERY much to the melodies and arrangements, despite being rank amateurs. Most of their co-writers have been very quick to credit them for what they brought to the creative process, it was NOT anything like change-a-word-take-a-third.

Different Class > Spiceworld > Spice > Dog Man Star > Definitely Maybe > Parklife, anyway.

I like all of them, for what it's worth.

― edward o (edwardo), Sunday, 1 May 2005 22:22 (twenty-one years ago)

Spice and Spiceworld better than Different Class? Madness.

I can't decide what's worse, rockism or popism!

― madness I tells thee!, Sunday, 1 May 2005 22:29 (twenty-one years ago)

Geir, Geir, Geir. It is pretty well known that the Spice Girls wrote nearly all their own lyrics and contributed VERY much to the melodies and arrangements, despite being rank amateurs

Lyrics aren't important. And if they were able of composing themselves, they wouldn't have needed collaborators.

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Sunday, 1 May 2005 22:35 (twenty-one years ago)

Geir, the ultimate rockist...who CARES who wrote what? I guess you don't care for Dusty Springfield, the Supremes, most of the Motown lineup, etc. Oh, right, they're "manufactured." Guess the bass playing of James Jamerson or Marv Taplin's guitar work doesn't sufficiently "melodic good-old-fashioned song-oriented music," right?

― Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Sunday, 1 May 2005 22:46 (twenty-one years ago)

Whoever wants artistic value and artistic control in popular music does. I see no reason why today's pop music should have any less artistic ambition that Mozart (the pop music of the 18th century) did. And this requires the composer having full artistic control. Since today's pop music is not written down in notes, this means that the composer has to perform the music himself.

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Sunday, 1 May 2005 23:10 (twenty-one years ago)

Actually, the pop music of the 18th century was folk music, since only rich people who lived in cities had the oppurtunity to hear Mozart. The other 99.5% of people on the continent were probably listening to various local musics.

We've (we, meaning ILM) have probably had this discussion already.

― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Sunday, 1 May 2005 23:21 (twenty-one years ago)

the only one of these albums i can imagine ever listening to again is Dog Man Star. i never want to hear Different Class again.

― shine headlights on me (electricsound), Sunday, 1 May 2005 23:27 (twenty-one years ago)

Fuck this rockism, popism, Geirism stuff let just say NUISANCE by MENSWE@R pwns all these albums (yes, including The Spice Girls) so hard it's not even funny.

― elwisty (elwisty), Sunday, 1 May 2005 23:51 (twenty-one years ago)

His 'n' Hers ends disappointingly? I've always thought "David's Last Summer" was magnificent and certainly the best album closer of all the Pulp albums.

― D. Bachyrycz, Monday, 2 May 2005 00:53 (twenty-one years ago)

Geir, you didn't respond to all of my post. Ignore writing credits, they're often manipulated for royalties and other purposes.

It's pretty much an accepted fact that the biggest-selling Spice single, "Wannabe" was written pretty much entirely by the girls (remember that the main melodic line counts as 50% and the lyrics the other 50%, everything else is arrangement, and not writing credits), and the "collaborators" really just structured it and arranged it.

"Nuisance" by Menswe@r only has two good songs on it, for fuck's sake.

― edward o (edwardo), Monday, 2 May 2005 01:14 (twenty-one years ago)

Jarvis is obv the most interesting person / least reprehensible media whore among them, but Definitely Maybe stands up surprisingly well.

"Live Forever" is probably the jangle-iest thing they've ever done, and possibly the best; "Supersonic" is actually more menacing now we know exactly how loutish they really are; "Married With Children" is fun (but more fun if you imagine that it was written about Liam).

IMHO What's The Story has better tunes, but there are also a few that are more cringeworthy than the blatantly nicked songs on DM.

― Dave M. (rotten03), Monday, 2 May 2005 04:12 (twenty-one years ago)

wow, whatever became of menswear? i wonder if they actually sell menswear now?

― corey c (shock of daylight), Monday, 2 May 2005 04:50 (twenty-one years ago)

"Married With Children" is fun (but more fun if you imagine that it was written about Liam).

hahaha!

the lex is right, the spice girls beat this lot by a light-year.

― J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Monday, 2 May 2005 07:05 (twenty-one years ago)

I once played 'david's last summer' on my college radio show, and two people called in, both begging for it to be taken off. ...The most listener feedback I ever got, so I have a soft spot for that song.

― Billy Pilgrim (Billy Pilgrim), Monday, 2 May 2005 11:14 (twenty-one years ago)

"Nuisance" by Menswe@r only has two good songs on it, for fuck's sake.

I present an appeal to authority...

http://www.netcomuk.co.uk/~tewing/ned/n35.html

― elwisty (elwisty), Monday, 2 May 2005 12:33 (twenty-one years ago)

"But what makes it all great is that it all hangs together, like a playlist of indie cool pureed and served in a form that theoretically should appeal to everybody as opposed to snobs."

geez, Ned makes them sound like LCD Soundsystem

― Dave M. (rotten03), Monday, 2 May 2005 12:41 (twenty-one years ago)

"I was there at Blow Up in '94 I said Johnny you should form a band. It doesn't matter if you can't play"

― elwisty (elwisty), Monday, 2 May 2005 13:25 (twenty-one years ago)

1. Different Class
2. Definitely Maybe
3. Parklife
4. Dog Man Star

― Ben Dot (1977), Tuesday, 3 May 2005 00:30 (twenty-one years ago)

Parklife!!! :-)

― dog latin (dog latin), Tuesday, 3 May 2005 11:43 (twenty-one years ago)

P
DMS
DM
ADC

― N_RQ, Tuesday, 3 May 2005 11:50 (twenty-one years ago)

1.Definitely Maybe is streets ahead of the others.

2.Parklife is worth a spin once in a while.

3.Dog Man Star is clearly the best record by a worthless group.

4. Different Class - I can't really put my finger on what is wrong with this recd. It's just very, very boring.

― Dr. C (Dr. C), Tuesday, 3 May 2005 12:54 (twenty-one years ago)

(Modern Life Is Rubbish) >>>>> (Suede) > Park Life >> Dog Man Star >>> Different Class >>>> Definitely Maybe

― Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Tuesday, 3 May 2005 12:59 (twenty-one years ago)

i think the problem with 'a different class' is the way it sounds, the production. just kind of thin: this is also kind of true of 'parklife'. it's all quite muted and there aren't enough rough bits or edges.

― N_Rq, Tuesday, 3 May 2005 13:02 (twenty-one years ago)

Those two albums were never meant to have rough edges. They are pop albums, not rock ones.

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Tuesday, 3 May 2005 13:49 (twenty-one years ago)

1. The Great Escape
2. Parklife
3. (What's The Story) Morning Glory
4. Standing On The Shoulder Of Giants
5. Coming Up
6. We Love Life
7. Suede
8. Different Class
9. Modern Life Is Rubbish
10.Leisure
11.Blur
12.The Masterplan
13.A New Morning
14.Head Music
15.His'n'Hers
16.This Is Hardcore
17.Dog Man Star
18.Heathen Chemistry
19.Be Here Now
20.Definitely Maybe

(Not familiar enough with pre-"His'n'Hers" Pulp albums to rank them)

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Tuesday, 3 May 2005 13:54 (twenty-one years ago)

some pop records have rough edges, though, like 'blur' and 'this is hardcore'. but anyway 'Standing On The Shoulder Of Giants' as fourth best? i'm not even laughing.

― N_RQ, Tuesday, 3 May 2005 13:55 (twenty-one years ago)

Hmm. I suppose, when I include "The Masterplan" I will also have to include "Sci-Fi Lullabies", which gets in at number 17.

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Tuesday, 3 May 2005 13:56 (twenty-one years ago)

"Standing On The Shoulder Of Giants" has the best production of any Oasis album, and contains several great ballads.

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Tuesday, 3 May 2005 13:57 (twenty-one years ago)

The only one I could sit through, now and then, is Definitely Maybe.

― 57 7th (calstars), Tuesday, 3 May 2005 15:13 (twenty-one years ago)

Geir you are the only person ever who rates Head Music and fucking A New Morning over Dog Man Star you nitwit. Or Be Here Now over Definately Maybe. Or Leisure or Standing on the Shoulders of Giants over anything.

Fucking hell, you're a worse troll than me. That list and your love of Coldplay HAS to made up.

― Zammer, Tuesday, 3 May 2005 15:34 (twenty-one years ago)

Coming Up is the best Suede album, though - he's right there.

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Tuesday, 3 May 2005 15:57 (twenty-one years ago)

Parklife>>>>>>>DogManStar>>>>>Diffn't Clarse>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>(x 10,000,000,000,000,000,000,000)and oasis album.

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Tuesday, 3 May 2005 16:06 (twenty-one years ago)

"Zammer"?? What?

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Tuesday, 3 May 2005 16:07 (twenty-one years ago)

im picturing zman from beyond the valley of the dolls now.

― charltonlido (gareth), Tuesday, 3 May 2005 16:38 (twenty-one years ago)

Melody. Harmony. Melody. Harmony. The answer lies in those two words.

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Tuesday, 3 May 2005 17:02 (twenty-one years ago)

And btw. Dodgy and Supernaturals were both better than any of these four bands. Because they were more melodic, with more polished and sophisticated arrangements. I.o.w. more pure pop with less rock elements.

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Tuesday, 3 May 2005 17:03 (twenty-one years ago)

And the answer to the original question is: The Auteurs - New Wave.

― joseph cotten (joseph cotten), Tuesday, 3 May 2005 17:48 (twenty-one years ago)

im picturing zman from beyond the valley of the dolls now.

-- charltonlido (*@

Haha, yes!

Calum, FFS, why don't you register one of yr usernames, then people won't keep hijacking them! It's not exactly difficult!! I just registered "Zammer", email me if you want the password (nb this = a genuine offer)

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Tuesday, 3 May 2005 19:26 (twenty-one years ago)

I dunno Pash - ILX is deleting even the reasonable threads now.

― Zammer., Tuesday, 3 May 2005 19:45 (twenty-one years ago)

So I want to play too. This is my expanded list and happen to own all these CD’s, except the B-sides compilations where I own all the singles instead. It’s a sickness, I know. I would rate Boo Radleys, Verve, SFA and Moose records above most of these.

1. Different Class
2. (What's The Story) Morning Glory?
3. Dog Man Star
4. This Is Hardcore
5. Sci-Fi Lullabies
6. Modern Life Is Rubbish
7. The Masterplan
8. Parklife
9. His ‘N’ Hers
10. Suede
11. 13
12. Definitely Maybe
13. We Love Life
14. Coming Up
15. Blur
16. Standing On The Shoulder Of Giants
17. Head Music
18. A New Morning
19. Separations
20. Leisure
21. Think Tank
22. Heathen Chemistry
23. The Great Escape
24. Be Here Now

np: the Tears – Here Comes the Tears

― BeeOK (boo radley), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 03:59 (twenty-one years ago)

Parklife>>>>>>>DogManStar>>>>>Diffn't Clarse>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>(x 10,000,000,000,000,000,000,000)and oasis album.

Normally I'm loathe to make this sort of argument, but I really don't get how someone who would put Parklife atop this list could dismiss Definitely Maybe so strenuously. Is it simply because the Gallagher bros are twunts, Norman, or is there a musical argument to be made?

― Dave M. (rotten03), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 05:09 (twenty-one years ago)

Hmm. I forgot about the last couple of Blur albums. Both would have been rated at the very bottom of my list, below "Definitely Maybe".

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 07:47 (twenty-one years ago)

His 'N' Hers really ought to have been included in this "contest" for 1994 consistency rather than Different Class.

In any case, the winner is: Dummy.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 07:52 (twenty-one years ago)

Jesus no, not Dummy!

As someone who lived through this, and indeed was Britpop target audience #1, it's kind of strange to relisten to Different Class, in the same way as Dig Your Own Hole: There's some good (and really great) small songs, and some good (and really great) big songs, and then there's Common People/Setting Sun.

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 09:46 (twenty-one years ago)

Dog Man Star
This Is Hardcore
Suede
We Love Life
Different Class
Sci Fi Lullabies
Coming Up
Parklife
Modern Life is Rubbish
The Masterplan
Whats the Story Morning Glory
A New Morning
The Great Escape
Freaks
It
Seperations
Blur
Definately Maybe
Head Music
13

And that is the last of anything on that list worth listing.

― C-Man (C-Man), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 09:55 (twenty-one years ago)

Geir IS fucking kidding, right? The Supernaturals?? I 100% refuse to believe that anyone, ever, could possibly rate the Supernaturals higher than Blur. Or even Blue, which is what I originally typed there.

― N_RQ, Wednesday, 4 May 2005 10:15 (twenty-one years ago)

Dave, I just find their music incredibly plodding, dreary and tiresome - they play for the most part like their arms have been injected with novocaine! That, plus the amount of lifts from other songs, that really gets to me. Their general level of idiocy and obnoxiousness I'd find kind of ignorable if the music didn't turn me off so.

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 16:58 (twenty-one years ago)

Or, er, for me there is no band "feel" worse than plodding, and oasis do plodding more effectively than just about any other band I've heard ever.

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 17:00 (twenty-one years ago)

Oasis' faster songs are kind of plodding. Their ballads are not.

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 19:54 (twenty-one years ago)

I 100% refuse to believe that anyone, ever, could possibly rate the Supernaturals higher than Blur.

Supernaturals stuck to what they were best at, and did that through an entire album. If everything Blur ever did had sounded like "Country House" (clearly the best thing they did, and one of the best songs of the entire Britpop era), then Blur would have been better.

I love happy music because happy music makes you happy. And Supernaturals represent happy music at its happiest and thus at its best.

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 19:57 (twenty-one years ago)

Nothing makes me more depressed than happy music.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Thursday, 5 May 2005 05:06 (twenty-one years ago)

1. Parklife
2. Different Class
3. Def. Maybe
4. Dog Man Star

― zeus, Thursday, 5 May 2005 06:00 (twenty-one years ago)

wow, whatever became of menswear? i wonder if they actually sell menswear now?

I last spotted Chris Gentry in a Levi's advert so...

In ten years time, I will probably put Different Class at the top, but I'm *still* suffering a hangover from it. Heck, I knew all the words to Common People about a fortnight before it even came out. So it's 1. Dog Man Star, 2. Different Class, 3. Parklife, 4. Definitely Maybe.

― Madchen (Madchen), Thursday, 5 May 2005 11:32 (twenty-one years ago)

geir, you are on crack. i kind of admire that.

― N_RQ, Thursday, 5 May 2005 11:41 (twenty-one years ago)

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