Or disgust.
I think it's pretty true. Check out the Siket disc, the tower jam, the second disc of LivePhish #4 and many others, but there's your start.
― Unfortunate Prankster (Unfortunate Prankster), Thursday, 2 June 2005 01:51 (twenty years ago)
― Unfortunate Prankster (Unfortunate Prankster), Thursday, 2 June 2005 01:59 (twenty years ago)
― mullygrubbr (bulbs), Thursday, 2 June 2005 02:03 (twenty years ago)
They've got the "psychedelic" part down though, I guess.
― The Good Dr. Bill (The Good Dr. Bill), Thursday, 2 June 2005 02:06 (twenty years ago)
Phish does this as sort of "hey, crowd, you are on acid" filler and only once did they officially release a disc that was a big jam (Siket Disc).
So, definitley don't buy a phish disc. I guess you sort of have to be "in the know" to know which shows to download, but I'm telling you, Boredoms got nothing on Phish or Umphrey's McGee, too.
Well, they got a little something, I guess. Boredoms are cool in their own way. It's like this: Boredoms really tweaked VCN with studio gadgetry, etc. Phish just jams and does shit like that spontaneously live. They don't go back and edit it into one big piece of art.
― Unfortunate Prankster (Unfortunate Prankster), Thursday, 2 June 2005 02:08 (twenty years ago)
― [that bastard] jaxon (jaxon), Thursday, 2 June 2005 02:10 (twenty years ago)
but they both explode into death noise occasionally, which I associate with Kraut Rock. Phish has some ear-blistering noise at times and they can get more "rocking" than one might expect. The problem most people have is that they don't do it seriously, but just as another interesting sound and they might go right back into a little piano-driven driving ditty immediately after.
― Unfortunate Prankster (Unfortunate Prankster), Thursday, 2 June 2005 02:11 (twenty years ago)
― Unfortunate Prankster (Unfortunate Prankster), Thursday, 2 June 2005 02:13 (twenty years ago)
― Unfortunate Prankster (Unfortunate Prankster), Thursday, 2 June 2005 02:17 (twenty years ago)
― latebloomer: Pain Don't Hurt (latebloomer), Thursday, 2 June 2005 02:23 (twenty years ago)
― Unfortunate Prankster (Unfortunate Prankster), Thursday, 2 June 2005 02:38 (twenty years ago)
― Unfortunate Prankster (Unfortunate Prankster), Thursday, 2 June 2005 02:40 (twenty years ago)
― Unfortunate Prankster (Unfortunate Prankster), Thursday, 2 June 2005 02:48 (twenty years ago)
― vahid (vahid), Thursday, 2 June 2005 02:54 (twenty years ago)
― Unfortunate Prankster (Unfortunate Prankster), Thursday, 2 June 2005 02:55 (twenty years ago)
― Mike Dixn (Mike Dixon), Thursday, 2 June 2005 02:56 (twenty years ago)
― sleep (sleep), Thursday, 2 June 2005 02:57 (twenty years ago)
― Unfortunate Prankster (Unfortunate Prankster), Thursday, 2 June 2005 03:00 (twenty years ago)
― Unfortunate Prankster (Unfortunate Prankster), Thursday, 2 June 2005 03:02 (twenty years ago)
um, no.
― scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 2 June 2005 03:05 (twenty years ago)
― Unfortunate Prankster (Unfortunate Prankster), Thursday, 2 June 2005 03:07 (twenty years ago)
― Unfortunate Prankster (Unfortunate Prankster), Thursday, 2 June 2005 03:09 (twenty years ago)
― Reggie, Thursday, 2 June 2005 03:14 (twenty years ago)
― Unfortunate Prankster (Unfortunate Prankster), Thursday, 2 June 2005 03:16 (twenty years ago)
― django (django), Thursday, 2 June 2005 03:18 (twenty years ago)
― Unfortunate Prankster (Unfortunate Prankster), Thursday, 2 June 2005 03:21 (twenty years ago)
― beta ray bill, Thursday, 2 June 2005 03:22 (twenty years ago)
― Unfortunate Prankster (Unfortunate Prankster), Thursday, 2 June 2005 03:27 (twenty years ago)
They really love music and they really love honest performances.
Yeah. I've listened to Phish off and on since Junta. I'm usually impressed...but almost always bored. My attention always wanders with them. Not so with boredoms.
― django (django), Thursday, 2 June 2005 03:51 (twenty years ago)
― Unfortunate Prankster (Unfortunate Prankster), Thursday, 2 June 2005 03:53 (twenty years ago)
― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Thursday, 2 June 2005 04:07 (twenty years ago)
― charltonlido (gareth), Thursday, 2 June 2005 04:28 (twenty years ago)
― Unfortunate Prankster (Unfortunate Prankster), Thursday, 2 June 2005 04:29 (twenty years ago)
― gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 2 June 2005 04:38 (twenty years ago)
― RJG (RJG), Thursday, 2 June 2005 04:40 (twenty years ago)
― Unfortunate Prankster (Unfortunate Prankster), Thursday, 2 June 2005 04:49 (twenty years ago)
― Unfortunate Prankster (Unfortunate Prankster), Thursday, 2 June 2005 04:50 (twenty years ago)
There is NOTHING from Siket Disc, Tower Jam, Lemonwheel Set 5, any of the '94 Tweezers, or anything Phish has ever done that sounds remotely like the Boredoms. That being said, I think that all of those are effing fantastic and it kind of pains me that the non-phish crowd is so turned off to Phish b/c of their fans. I've slipped in Siket Disc to Phish-hating-Napalm-Death fans and they'll ask me, "Who is this?" and I don't have the heart to break it to them. It's a shame that Phish can't write songs to save their life ... but their jams deserve attention. Too bad non-Phish fans would never deign to give it the time of day. Oh well, I gave up this (and the Grateful Dead) fight long ago.
― Suzy Creemcheese (SuzyCreemcheese), Thursday, 2 June 2005 05:10 (twenty years ago)
― Suzy Creemcheese (SuzyCreemcheese), Thursday, 2 June 2005 05:51 (twenty years ago)
― [that bastard] jaxon (jaxon), Thursday, 2 June 2005 06:06 (twenty years ago)
― Gear! (can Jung shill it, Mu?) (Gear!), Thursday, 2 June 2005 06:10 (twenty years ago)
Yeah, listen for the jams, maybe the occasional early composition, but not for "Love Is Freedom."
― Suzy Creemcheese (SuzyCreemcheese), Thursday, 2 June 2005 06:12 (twenty years ago)
― Suzy Creemcheese (SuzyCreemcheese), Thursday, 2 June 2005 06:15 (twenty years ago)
― Community Cornerstone (deangulberry), Thursday, 2 June 2005 08:12 (twenty years ago)
― Unfortunate Prankster (Unfortunate Prankster), Thursday, 2 June 2005 12:06 (twenty years ago)
Those are studio albums and that's not what we're talkin' 'bout here, Willis.
― Unfortunate Prankster (Unfortunate Prankster), Thursday, 2 June 2005 12:16 (twenty years ago)
It appears we are at an impasse. You say they sound nothing alike, yet I thought I was listening to Phish. You say they sound nothing alike, yet it sounds just like many Phish jams I have heard, including all that I mentioned and it also reminds me especially of the IT DVD disc 2. You said Phish sounds nothing like Boredoms, yet I said VisionCreationNewsun sounds like a Phish jam. Not Chocalate Synthesizer. Secondly, you can claim to have heard every goddamn Phish showe ever circulated and I will not believe you or respect your opinion that Phish does not sound like VisionCreationNewsun because THEY DO. End of discussion.
― Unfortunate Prankster (Unfortunate Prankster), Thursday, 2 June 2005 12:20 (twenty years ago)
Except Phish does not ride that "VisionCreationNewsun" sound for longer than 15 minutes whereas Boredoms made a whole boring album out of it. VCN really sucks! Goes nowhere! 'Kay, now that's the end of the discussion.
― Unfortunate Prankster (Unfortunate Prankster), Thursday, 2 June 2005 12:23 (twenty years ago)
― nickalicious (nickalicious), Thursday, 2 June 2005 12:32 (twenty years ago)
― Unfortunate Prankster (Unfortunate Prankster), Thursday, 2 June 2005 12:34 (twenty years ago)
I once argued Can were sort of a jam band, and in some ways they are, as are Boredoms. I won't doubt that Boredoms, Can and Phish listen to some of the same music, and on occasion, sound similar. I will doubt that they are the same band, or the majority of their music is the same. And will absolutely dispute that VCN goes nowhere. For me, it goes to some of the best places.
x-post, see gygax's comment above re: the Phish cover. It's really good!
― Dominique (dleone), Thursday, 2 June 2005 12:43 (twenty years ago)
― nickalicious (nickalicious), Thursday, 2 June 2005 13:07 (twenty years ago)
― nickalicious (nickalicious), Thursday, 2 June 2005 13:08 (twenty years ago)
Now, about the above comments: while I agree with what I say above, I was jokingly being an asshole with the "end of discussion" line. Although, it really sort of is because we really sort of are at an impasse.
As for VCN going anywhere, I think it is your wandering mind that goes somewhere. Like an acid trip. Does the beat EVER change? If it does, I didn't notice. The same 9-note guitar lead is repeated through the entire disc. The rest is atmospherics that never break out of the simple formula explained in the first 30 seconds. So, for me, that's "going nowhere." Phish does similar stuff, but like I say, not for more than 15 minutes.
― Unfortunate Prankster (Unfortunate Prankster), Thursday, 2 June 2005 13:37 (twenty years ago)
― The Sensational Sulk (sexyDancer), Thursday, 2 June 2005 13:41 (twenty years ago)
― Dominique (dleone), Thursday, 2 June 2005 13:44 (twenty years ago)
― Unfortunate Prankster (Unfortunate Prankster), Thursday, 2 June 2005 13:52 (twenty years ago)
― Mickey (modestmickey), Thursday, 2 June 2005 13:53 (twenty years ago)
― Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 2 June 2005 13:56 (twenty years ago)
― peter smith (plsmith), Thursday, 2 June 2005 13:57 (twenty years ago)
― Rock Hardy (Rock Hardy), Thursday, 2 June 2005 13:59 (twenty years ago)
― original bgm, Thursday, 2 June 2005 14:03 (twenty years ago)
― Keith C (kcraw916), Thursday, 2 June 2005 14:05 (twenty years ago)
― original bgm, Thursday, 2 June 2005 14:05 (twenty years ago)
― peter smith (plsmith), Thursday, 2 June 2005 14:05 (twenty years ago)
― peter smith (plsmith), Thursday, 2 June 2005 14:06 (twenty years ago)
― Unfortunate Prankster (Unfortunate Prankster), Thursday, 2 June 2005 14:07 (twenty years ago)
If you love Chocolate Synthesizer, your best bet with this band is moving backwards, not forwards, heading for albums like Pop Tatari and Soul Discharge. Pretty much everything they've done since 1996 or 1997 is heading towards the VCN sound. (I'd be curious to see what you think about Super Roots 6, which is faux-ambient, and separated into lots of realtively short, individual songs - albeit ones in which not that much "changes". Doesn't sound anything like Phish though).
― Dominique (dleone), Thursday, 2 June 2005 14:08 (twenty years ago)
Their whole package is really so attractive that I sometimes wonder if, like make-up-era Kiss is so great to some people, maybe Boredoms package (including CD packaging) is what differentiates albums like VCN from Phish in some people's minds. Crazy fun psychedelic savages vs. old boring, ugly hippies, you know.
― Unfortunate Prankster (Unfortunate Prankster), Thursday, 2 June 2005 14:13 (twenty years ago)
― peter smith (plsmith), Thursday, 2 June 2005 14:13 (twenty years ago)
― Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 2 June 2005 14:14 (twenty years ago)
― Unfortunate Prankster (Unfortunate Prankster), Thursday, 2 June 2005 14:16 (twenty years ago)
VCN just basically gets noisier, faster and busier and then PAUSES.
― Unfortunate Prankster (Unfortunate Prankster), Thursday, 2 June 2005 14:18 (twenty years ago)
― donut debonair (donut), Thursday, 2 June 2005 14:20 (twenty years ago)
― Unfortunate Prankster (Unfortunate Prankster), Thursday, 2 June 2005 14:22 (twenty years ago)
Phish, to me, always seemed to me to be more related to Grateful Dead-style bands than Boredoms. Boredoms to me seem more in the realm of Can and various tribal music, like some of the Nonsuch Explorer series from various South Pacific islands. The end results of these bands shares things, but at their heart, I don't know if they really evoke the same things for me.
x-post: re, their instrumental abilities. Yeah, you should probably check out Ruins.
― Dominique (dleone), Thursday, 2 June 2005 14:23 (twenty years ago)
― Unfortunate Prankster (Unfortunate Prankster), Thursday, 2 June 2005 14:23 (twenty years ago)
― peter smith (plsmith), Thursday, 2 June 2005 14:26 (twenty years ago)
― Dominique (dleone), Thursday, 2 June 2005 14:27 (twenty years ago)
This seems to prove my point about Boredoms package vs. Phish's package. Phish really sounds nothing like Grateful Dead except on the early recordings from '86 when they actually played Scarlet Begonias. But, that doesn't stop anyone from constantly comparing them. Yet, there is basically nothing in common; not the guitar tone, singing, song structure, drumming, bass or even the jams.
― Unfortunate Prankster (Unfortunate Prankster), Thursday, 2 June 2005 14:27 (twenty years ago)
Or can they really play?
Who cares? What kind of playing do you think would make VCN better?
― original bgm, Thursday, 2 June 2005 14:27 (twenty years ago)
― original bgm, Thursday, 2 June 2005 14:29 (twenty years ago)
― Dominique (dleone), Thursday, 2 June 2005 14:33 (twenty years ago)
― peter smith (plsmith), Thursday, 2 June 2005 14:33 (twenty years ago)
― Unfortunate Prankster (Unfortunate Prankster), Thursday, 2 June 2005 14:35 (twenty years ago)
I have not, though I have read from many that it's great. I guess I'll need to hear before writing them off (again). :)
― Dominique (dleone), Thursday, 2 June 2005 14:36 (twenty years ago)
That's a nice way of saying they bore you for a noodly hour before giving you some for five minutes. I mean, I was on acid the one time I saw Phish, and I was still completely bored. The absolute nadir came when they did Also Sprach Zarathustra for 15 minutes with no demonstration whatsoever of the sense of awe and dread built into that composition. And then on the road home some girl gave my friend a handjob the whole way, with as little sense of audience as Phish had. It's possible I just saw like their one bad show, but man the whole night was bad enough for me to close my heart to them.
― beta ray bill, Thursday, 2 June 2005 14:38 (twenty years ago)
;-)
I mean the percussion (which is def. the heart of the album) is far from sloppy.
here, let me just repost what you're responding to. You will find all your answers there:
Besides drumming, it doesn't appear to me that they can really play their instruments very well like Zorn or Fantomas. What I've heard proves they're good at making noises, textures and jarring, simple power chord riffs, but is that all? I expect the answer "Isn't that enough?!" But, really, is that all? Or can they really play?
Additionally, I will offer: I think several kinds of playing could have made VCN better, but if they mined the fragmented rock noise too much on their previous albums, I see why they avoided it on their later albums. It's funny that you make a point about percussion, given my lead in "besides drumming."
― Unfortunate Prankster (Unfortunate Prankster), Thursday, 2 June 2005 14:46 (twenty years ago)
VCN never gave me those 5 minutes!
― Unfortunate Prankster (Unfortunate Prankster), Thursday, 2 June 2005 14:47 (twenty years ago)
http://www.panix.com/~ah/musicf/pix/95bor03.jpg
or
http://www.vpr.net/gfx/news/phish_pellett2.jpg
Which looks more exciting to you?
..i mean, for fuck's sake.. if you want to talk about Phish's technical abilities being better than the Boredoms' in your own little cul de sac of a thread for the rest of the week, fine. It's your opinion and your thread obviously. "Isn't that enough?!" should be *enough* of an answer, IMHO. but babble on.
― donut debonair (donut), Thursday, 2 June 2005 14:54 (twenty years ago)
― Unfortunate Prankster (Unfortunate Prankster), Thursday, 2 June 2005 14:56 (twenty years ago)
and while I think that there is no excuse for any of their output post-97 or so, I also think that between 93-96 or so they were doing some amazing shit live on a pretty regular basis. not the "climaxy jammy-jams" that they ended up doing so much of, but some pretty internally structured and disciplined stuff, on occasion. they've done plenty since that is wretched, and their fans in general don't help, but I also think they don't deserve to be written off entirely.
additionally, this is ridiculous
― b'angelo, Thursday, 2 June 2005 14:57 (twenty years ago)
― Unfortunate Prankster (Unfortunate Prankster), Thursday, 2 June 2005 14:58 (twenty years ago)
In that case based on the picture the Phish package suffers from botulism and rickets.
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 2 June 2005 15:00 (twenty years ago)
― Unfortunate Prankster (Unfortunate Prankster), Thursday, 2 June 2005 15:01 (twenty years ago)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 2 June 2005 15:03 (twenty years ago)
― Unfortunate Prankster (Unfortunate Prankster), Thursday, 2 June 2005 15:04 (twenty years ago)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 2 June 2005 15:05 (twenty years ago)
― Unfortunate Prankster (Unfortunate Prankster), Thursday, 2 June 2005 15:06 (twenty years ago)
― donut debonair (donut), Thursday, 2 June 2005 15:08 (twenty years ago)
― Unfortunate Prankster (Unfortunate Prankster), Thursday, 2 June 2005 15:10 (twenty years ago)
― the bellefox, Thursday, 2 June 2005 15:12 (twenty years ago)
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHA!
later. have fun.
― donut debonair (donut), Thursday, 2 June 2005 15:13 (twenty years ago)
― Unfortunate Prankster (Unfortunate Prankster), Thursday, 2 June 2005 15:15 (twenty years ago)
And yes, GD and Phish shouldn't really be grouped together. Culturally, maybe. Musically? Probably not. Composition-wise, the closest GD comes to Phish might be Terrapin Station or Slipknot; none of their stuff has that classical feel like old Anastasio comps (Fluffhead, Bowie, YEM, Foam, MFMFriend, Guyute, etc.). Jamming style was completely different, too, although there is a lot of '77-'79 GD that 'peaks' the same way that Phish did (lots of tension/release stuff).
There is A LOT of post-97 stuff that is right up there w/ the previous stuff, although I'd agree that post-97 is when there were hit-or-miss shows. Plenty of '98 Gin hoses, dark, long '99 stuff like the Boise Bag, BIG CYPRESS, and then you've got to consider the Pipers from post-hiatus, 2/28/03 Tweezer, etc. etc. The big difference for me, though, has been the drastic drop in song-writing since '97.
― Suzy Creemcheese (SuzyCreemcheese), Thursday, 2 June 2005 15:22 (twenty years ago)
Now I must do some work. Thanks all for the insightful music criticism and recommendations! And for playing along on my thread instead of ignoring it.
― Unfortunate Prankster (Unfortunate Prankster), Thursday, 2 June 2005 15:26 (twenty years ago)
― Mickey (modestmickey), Thursday, 2 June 2005 15:33 (twenty years ago)
― ReNTBAPA: Resolute Not To Be A Prick Anymore (Unfortunate Prankster), Thursday, 2 June 2005 15:35 (twenty years ago)
― Mickey (modestmickey), Thursday, 2 June 2005 15:36 (twenty years ago)
1) Seis de Mayo has been Trey's only decent solo studio release, and2) The 4-minute stretch from the 7/10/99 Chalkdust is the best jam moment they've had since '97.
The happy by-product of this thread - me digging out VCN and actually answering this question properly.
― Suzy Creemcheese (SuzyCreemcheese), Thursday, 2 June 2005 15:40 (twenty years ago)
― nickalicious (nickalicious), Thursday, 2 June 2005 15:42 (twenty years ago)
― Suzy Creemcheese (SuzyCreemcheese), Thursday, 2 June 2005 15:49 (twenty years ago)
3000 solo projects prove you wrong.
― Ian John50n (orion), Friday, 3 June 2005 20:41 (twenty years ago)
― ReNTBAPA: Resolute Not To Be A Prick Anymore (Unfortunate Prankster), Friday, 3 June 2005 22:13 (twenty years ago)
― [that bastard] jaxon (jaxon), Friday, 3 June 2005 22:28 (twenty years ago)
― [that bastard] jaxon (jaxon), Friday, 3 June 2005 22:29 (twenty years ago)
― JW (orion), Friday, 3 June 2005 22:58 (twenty years ago)
― [that bastard] jaxon (jaxon), Friday, 3 June 2005 23:06 (twenty years ago)
Only I can verify how things appear to me. This is why I worded it specifically in this manner. His opinion of 3,000 solo projects I've never heard does not prove my statement wrong in any way. I'm tempted to believe him, but then again I don't know if he's genuinely right or just angrily spouting.
Please notice, I am not being a prick at all here. If you think I am, you've mistaken something I've said.
― ReNTBAPA: Resolute Not To Be A Prick Anymore (Unfortunate Prankster), Friday, 3 June 2005 23:06 (twenty years ago)
― JW (orion), Friday, 3 June 2005 23:09 (twenty years ago)
― ReNTBAPA: Resolute Not To Be A Prick Anymore (Unfortunate Prankster), Friday, 3 June 2005 23:10 (twenty years ago)
― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Friday, 3 June 2005 23:20 (twenty years ago)
― Ian John50n (orion), Friday, 3 June 2005 23:33 (twenty years ago)
― Ian John50n (orion), Friday, 3 June 2005 23:51 (twenty years ago)
― Dominique (dleone), Friday, 3 June 2005 23:54 (twenty years ago)
― Ian John50n (orion), Friday, 3 June 2005 23:59 (twenty years ago)
― Suzy Creemcheese (SuzyCreemcheese), Saturday, 4 June 2005 01:17 (twenty years ago)
― ReNTBAPA: Resolute Not To Be A Prick Anymore (Unfortunate Prankster), Saturday, 4 June 2005 04:12 (twenty years ago)
― o. nate (onate), Saturday, 4 June 2005 04:24 (twenty years ago)
― Suzy Creemcheese (SuzyCreemcheese), Saturday, 4 June 2005 04:34 (twenty years ago)
― ReNTBAPA: Resolute Not To Be A Prick Anymore (Unfortunate Prankster), Saturday, 4 June 2005 04:42 (twenty years ago)
― ReNTBAPA: Resolute Not To Be A Prick Anymore (Unfortunate Prankster), Saturday, 4 June 2005 04:44 (twenty years ago)
the good news - doesn't sound like this new band is gonna last. thank god.
― Suzy Creemcheese (SuzyCreemcheese), Saturday, 4 June 2005 05:10 (twenty years ago)
If Trey put together something very horny and jazzy and not world beat-y, I would be happy. Like Reconstruction!
― ReNTBAPA: Resolute Not To Be A Prick Anymore (Unfortunate Prankster), Saturday, 4 June 2005 05:17 (twenty years ago)
― That One Guy (That One Guy), Thursday, 30 June 2005 00:58 (nineteen years ago)
― Mickey (modestmickey), Thursday, 30 June 2005 01:04 (nineteen years ago)
― Ian John50n (orion), Thursday, 30 June 2005 01:05 (nineteen years ago)
And yes, Phish is dead. ILM can rejoice.
― Suzy Creemcheese (SuzyCreemcheese), Thursday, 30 June 2005 01:19 (nineteen years ago)
i wish the thread topic were true... what's some more stuff like this? minimialist maximalist psychedelic journey that's FUN and joyous and raucous
― global tetrahedron, Monday, 16 May 2016 19:54 (nine years ago)
or, alternately, am i going to find myself being into phish in like five years (finally got into the dead recently, so...)
― global tetrahedron, Monday, 16 May 2016 19:58 (nine years ago)
Guardian Alien perhaps?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x5YF6BlUIiA
― MaresNest, Monday, 16 May 2016 20:01 (nine years ago)
listening to track one of this 'siket disc' mentioned above and it's... not bad
― global tetrahedron, Monday, 16 May 2016 20:06 (nine years ago)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CLpUz2m5USU
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Monday, 16 May 2016 20:15 (nine years ago)
I don't know much like this myself, except moments from Can records, or early and mid-70s era Kraftwerk. Really, you'd have better luck looking at house and techno DJ mixes to get a better idea of how this record flows.
The thread title is comically false, because while Boredoms are a great live band with jammy aspects, this record is a total studio concoction, and the production is as much (or a more) a factor in how this album sounds as the playing. All Boredoms records are like this actually, and IMO a big part of what makes them unique.
― Dominique, Monday, 16 May 2016 20:23 (nine years ago)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HYAd0-ifNlM
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Monday, 16 May 2016 20:24 (nine years ago)
i love that hawkwind album but don't see a lot of similarities. maybe they're more tounge-in-cheek than i think but i associate hawkwind as more like a 'going into the void' type of psychedelia, i like how 'sunny' VCN is (right down to the cover!)
VCN definitely is clearly very studio-centric, another reason i like it. i know Can edited down a lot of their jams and whatnot but VCN seems to take the studio orchestration to a different level
― global tetrahedron, Monday, 16 May 2016 20:32 (nine years ago)