New Rhino boxset: "Whatever: The '90s Pop Culture Box"

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from Billboard.com:

Rhino Boxes Up '90s Favorites

By Barry A. Jeckell, N.Y.

Following a template that has generated several prior collections, Rhino is compiling a grandiose box set surveying a decade less than six years in the rearview mirror. Due July 26, "Whatever: The '90s Pop Culture Box" will span seven discs with 130 songs that collectively defined the commercial modern rock scene or hit high points on pop and rap charts.

The set opens with the ubiquitous M.C. Hammer hit "U Can't Touch This" and closes with Moby's "Natural Blues." In between, listeners will find familiar songs from singer/songwriters (Tori Amos, Sarah McLachlan, Jewel), rappers (Ice-T, Queen Latifah, Sir Mix-A-Lot, Salt-N-Pepa), pop hitmakers (Hanson, Jamiroquai), mainstream rock acts (the Black Crowes, Queensryche, Blues Traveler), grunge cornerstones (Tad, Mother Love Bone, Screaming Trees), key alternative outfits (Red Hot Chili Peppers, R.E.M., My Bloody Valentine, the Sundays, Pavement), quirky experimentalists (Ween, They Might Be Giants, King Missile, Primus) and dancefloor shakers (En Vogue, Deee-Lite).

Rhino's access to the archives of WEA (Warner, Elektra, Atlantic), gives the label a robust catalog from which to cherry pick hits and defining tracks of the era.

Although the track list is seemingly exhaustive (see below), there are substantial holes. Unrepresented are such iconic artists as Britney Spears, Nirvana, Pearl Jam, the Backstreet Boys, Whitney Houston, Mariah Carey, No Doubt, Garth Brooks and TLC, who released some of the highest-charting titles of the decade. Others who are seemingly within Rhino's purview, such as Madonna, Hootie & the Blowfish and Alanis Morissette, are also not represented.

The box -- which will be adorned with a bag of coffee beans and a thermal wrap sporting faux corporate logos -- will include an 84-page book with 1990s timeline, track-by-track commentary and photographs to put the music in context. Music critics Jim DeRogatis and Joel Stein contribute essays to the book, which also includes an interview with Sub Pop president/co-founder Jonathan Poneman.

Here is the full "Whatever: The '90s Pop Culture Box" track list:

Disc one:
"U Can't Touch This," M.C. Hammer
"Nothing Compares 2 U," Sinead O'Connor
"No Myth," Michael Penn
"Ladies First," Queen Latifah featuring Monie Love
"Ball and Chain," Social Distortion
"Birdhouse in Your Soul," They Might Be Giants
"Chloe Dancer/Crown of Thorns," Mother Love Bone
"Here's Where the Story Ends," the Sundays
"Gonna Make You Sweat (Everybody Dance Now)," C & C Music Factory
"Groove Is in the Heart," Deee-Lite
"Right Here, Right Now," Jesus Jones
"New Jack Hustler (Nino's Theme)," Ice-T
"I Touch Myself," Divinyls
"Unbelievable," EMF
"Hard To Handle," the Black Crowes
"O.P.P.," Naughty By Nature
"Walking in Memphis," Marc Cohn
"It's So Hard To Say Goodbye to Yesterday," Boyz II Men

Disc two:
"Silent Lucidity," Queensryche
"Into the Drink," Mudhoney
"Girlfriend," Matthew Sweet
"I'm Too Sexy," Right Said Fred (R*S*F*)
"Calling All Angels," Jane Siberry with k.d. lang
"Only Shallow," My Bloody Valentine
"It's a Shame About Ray," the Lemonheads
"Baby Got Back," Sir Mix-A-Lot
"They Want EFX," DAS EFX
"Jump," Kris Kross
"Walk," Pantera
"N.W.O.," Ministry
"S***list," L7
"Absynthe," the Gits
"Coattail Rider," Supersuckers
"Runaway Train," Soul Asylum
"Little Miss Can't Be Wrong," Spin Doctors
"Dizz Knee Land," dada
"Nearly Lost You," Screaming Trees

Disc three:
"Under the Bridge," Red Hot Chili Peppers
"Unsung," Helmet
"Jump Around," House Of Pain
"Free Your Mind," En Vogue
"Rump Shaker," Wreckx-N-Effect
"Informer," Snow
"Connected," Stereo MC's
"Detachable Penis," King Missile
"Freak Me," Silk
"Ordinary World," Duran Duran
"If I Can't Change Your Mind," Sugar
"Three Little Pigs," Green Jelly
"Start Choppin," Dinosaur Jr
"The Devil's Chasing Me," the Reverend Horton Heat
"Gone to the Moon," Fastbacks
"My Name Is Mud," Primus
"What's Up," 4 Non Blondes

Disc four:
"Thunder Kiss '65," White Zombie
"Whoomp! (There It Is)," Tag Team
"Broken Hearted Savior," Big Head Todd and the Monsters
"Trust Me," Guru with N'Dea Davenport
"Here Comes," Velocity Girl
"Gepetto," Belly
"Eye to Eye," the Muffs
"Gentlemen," Afghan Whigs
"Leafy Incline," Tad
"Dream All Day," the Posies
"Hey Jealousy," Gin Blossoms
"My Sister," the Juliana Hatfield Three
"Whatta Man," Salt-N-Pepa
"Back & Forth," Aaliyah
"If That's Your Boyfriend (He Wasn't Last Night)," Me'Shell NdegéOcello
"Freedom of '76," Ween
"Cut Your Hair," Pavement
"God," Tori Amos
"MMM MMM MMM MMM," Crash Test Dummies
"Possession," Sarah McLachlan

Disc five:
"Shine," Collective Soul
"Far Behind," Candlebox
"You Gotta Be," Des'ree
"Girl, You'll Be a Woman Soon," Urge Overkill
"She Don't Use Jelly," the Flaming Lips
"m.i.a.," 7 Year Bitch
"21st Century (Digital Boy)," Bad Religion
"Sugar Free Jazz," Soul Coughing
"Mockingbirds," Grant Lee Buffalo
"What's the Frequency, Kenneth?," R.E.M.
"Revolve," Melvins
"Buddy Holly," Weezer
"Here and Now," Letters To Cleo
"Good," Better Than Ezra
"Run-Around," Blues Traveler
"I'll Be There for You (Theme From "Friends")," the Rembrandts
"Tomorrow," Silverchair
"Not a Pretty Girl," Ani DiFranco
"Carnival," Natalie Merchant

Disc six:
"Wonderwall," Oasis
"Birthday Cake," Cibo Matto
"Cumbersome," Seven Mary Three
"One of Us," Joan Osborne
"Caught by the Fuzz," Supergrass
"Sweet 69," Babes In Toyland
"Breakfast at Tiffany's," Deep Blue Something
"Photograph," the Verve Pipe
"In the Meantime," Spacehog
"Woo Hah!! Got You All In Check," Busta Rhymes featuring Rampage The Last Boy Scout
"Who Will Save Your Soul," Jewel
"Standing Outside a Broken Phone Booth With Money In My Hand," Primitive Radio Gods
"Cybele's Reverie," Stereolab
"Capri Pants," Bikini Kill
"What I Got," Sublime
"Kung Fu," Ash
"Virtual Insanity," Jamiroquai
"Naked Eye," Luscious Jackson
"Outtasite (Outta Mind)," Wilco

Disc seven:
"itszoweezee (hot)," De La Soul
"LoveFool," the Cardigans
"Radiation Vibe," Fountains Of Wayne
"The Impression That I Get," the Mighty Mighty Bosstones
"Turn It On," Sleater-Kinney
"Bitch," Meredith Brooks
"MMMBop," Hanson
"Brian Wilson" (live), Barenaked Ladies
"Brick," Ben Folds Five
"Sex and Candy," Marcy Playground
"Walking on the Sun," Smash Mouth
"Tubthumping," Chumbawamba
"6 Underground," Sneaker Pimps
"Lullaby," Shawn Mullins
"Slide," Goo Goo Dolls
"Kiss Me," Sixpence None The Richer
"Steal My Sunshine," LEN
"What It's Like," Everlast
"Natural Blues," Moby

Well, it sure as hell beats Children of Nuggets.

― Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Tuesday, 7 June 2005 15:29 (twenty years ago)

GUH.

― Huk-L, Tuesday, 7 June 2005 15:32 (twenty years ago)

WTF did they just grab some random grad student's IPOD shuffle or something?

― miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 7 June 2005 15:35 (twenty years ago)

rhino needs to take a deep breath and THINK about their box set ideas for like 35 minutes, before compiling them.

― peter smith (plsmith), Tuesday, 7 June 2005 15:35 (twenty years ago)

Lotsa riot grrrrrrrrrrl-ish stuff.

― Huk-L, Tuesday, 7 June 2005 15:36 (twenty years ago)

I think I'll be able to live a reasonably happy, contented, fulfilling life without ever owning this.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 7 June 2005 15:37 (twenty years ago)

They definitely allowed for more obscure indie than obscure rap

"In the Meantime," Spacehog
"Woo Hah!! Got You All In Check," Busta Rhymes featuring Rampage The Last Boy Scout
"Who Will Save Your Soul," Jewel
"Standing Outside a Broken Phone Booth With Money In My Hand," Primitive Radio Gods
"Cybele's Reverie," Stereolab
"Capri Pants," Bikini Kill
"What I Got," Sublime

― miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 7 June 2005 15:37 (twenty years ago)

Finally! This is beyond brilliant, you people don't know what you're talking about.

― The Good Dr Bill (jaymc), Tuesday, 7 June 2005 15:37 (twenty years ago)

Joel Stein is a music critic?

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 7 June 2005 15:39 (twenty years ago)

Actually I totally believe this is Good Dr. Bill's Ipod shuffle.

― miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 7 June 2005 15:40 (twenty years ago)

Finally! This is beyond brilliant, you people don't know what you're talking about.

Your fever dreams are your own to enjoy.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 7 June 2005 15:41 (twenty years ago)

(haha Ned check the username there)

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 7 June 2005 15:42 (twenty years ago)

Thievery!

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 7 June 2005 15:44 (twenty years ago)

i mean - its a fun idea to mash together all the genres and stuff, but it just doesnt seem to warrant a big proper box. it seems like a pretty entertaining "special edition" college radio show or something.

― peter smith (plsmith), Tuesday, 7 June 2005 15:44 (twenty years ago)

"Turn It On," Sleater-Kinney
"Bitch," Meredith Brooks

― miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 7 June 2005 15:44 (twenty years ago)

They should've called the box Turn It On, Bitch.

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 7 June 2005 15:47 (twenty years ago)

No way do I want to relive the 90s -- even the parts I loved at the time!

Will anyone really, honestly want this? I get the feeling that most copies will be X-mas gifts for other people.

― Raymond Cummings (Raymond Cummings), Tuesday, 7 June 2005 15:47 (twenty years ago)

A very compelling case to burn all of the master tapes for everything ever recorded in the 90s. Hamilton Burger, you have done a fine job with your presentation of the evidence, Exhibits A through G.

― Leonard Thompson (Grodd), Tuesday, 7 June 2005 15:48 (twenty years ago)

Anybody who DJs at weddings only needs to buy one other record if they own this.

― Huk-L, Tuesday, 7 June 2005 15:49 (twenty years ago)

"Freedom of '76," Ween

Ahhh, yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaasssssssss. But why this song over "Push Th' Lil Daisies"?

― Raymond Cummings (Raymond Cummings), Tuesday, 7 June 2005 15:49 (twenty years ago)

all this and a jim derogatis essay!

― miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 7 June 2005 15:50 (twenty years ago)

It's weird, before mp3s, I would've been like AWESOME about this box set -- but now I just figure if I really like any of the one-hit wonders on it (and there are a good number that I like), I'll just download them. Owning a 7-disc set seems kinda pointless.

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 7 June 2005 15:51 (twenty years ago)

Sorry -- owning a 7-disc set of POPULAR SINGLES seems kinda pointless.

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 7 June 2005 15:52 (twenty years ago)

yes, but it also has the gits and other unpopular indie acts.

This makes more sense as Itunes starter pack or something.

― miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 7 June 2005 15:53 (twenty years ago)

So maybe in another three weeks I can expect another box from Rhino, collecting music made by random people in February of this year?

― sixelsix, Tuesday, 7 June 2005 15:54 (twenty years ago)

It actually has that quality where the DJ is playing these old hits and people are dancing and then they try to slip in the GOOD music, like Velocity Girl.

― miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 7 June 2005 15:54 (twenty years ago)

So...not a single techno or "techno" song, except the last one MAYBE.

― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Tuesday, 7 June 2005 15:55 (twenty years ago)

I just noticed that it seems to lean a lot more heavily on the early half of the decade. The first tracks from 1995 don't come until the tail end of the 5th disc (Silverchair, Natalie Merchant).

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 7 June 2005 15:57 (twenty years ago)

I'm waiting for someone to own up to the fact this is a joke...isn't it?

― Dark Horse, Tuesday, 7 June 2005 15:57 (twenty years ago)

Narrowing it down (even though I already have some of this stuff):

"U Can't Touch This," M.C. Hammer
"Nothing Compares 2 U," Sinead O'Connor
"Groove Is in the Heart," Deee-Lite
"Right Here, Right Now," Jesus Jones
"Unbelievable," EMF
"O.P.P.," Naughty By Nature
"It's So Hard To Say Goodbye to Yesterday," Boyz II Men
"I'm Too Sexy," Right Said Fred (R*S*F*)
"Only Shallow," My Bloody Valentine
"It's a Shame About Ray," the Lemonheads
"Baby Got Back," Sir Mix-A-Lot
"They Want EFX," DAS EFX
"S***list," L7
"Under the Bridge," Red Hot Chili Peppers
"Jump Around," House Of Pain
"Rump Shaker," Wreckx-N-Effect
"Informer," Snow
"Connected," Stereo MC's
"Ordinary World," Duran Duran
"Start Choppin," Dinosaur Jr
"Gepetto," Belly
"Freedom of '76," Ween
"Cut Your Hair," Pavement
"MMM MMM MMM MMM," Crash Test Dummies
"Far Behind," Candlebox
"You Gotta Be," Des'ree
"She Don't Use Jelly," the Flaming Lips
"21st Century (Digital Boy)," Bad Religion
"What's the Frequency, Kenneth?," R.E.M.
"Buddy Holly," Weezer
"Wonderwall," Oasis
"Birthday Cake," Cibo Matto
"Cybele's Reverie," Stereolab
"Capri Pants," Bikini Kill
"What I Got," Sublime
"Virtual Insanity," Jamiroquai
"LoveFool," the Cardigans
"MMMBop," Hanson
"Brick," Ben Folds Five
"6 Underground," Sneaker Pimps
"Kiss Me," Sixpence None The Richer
"Steal My Sunshine," LEN

― Raymond Cummings (Raymond Cummings), Tuesday, 7 June 2005 15:58 (twenty years ago)

If anything this set seems premature.

― darin (darin), Tuesday, 7 June 2005 16:01 (twenty years ago)

Jeez, Rhino is now the VH1 of record labels.

― Zack Richardson (teenagequiet), Tuesday, 7 June 2005 16:02 (twenty years ago)

Actually, it's really only that last disc that spans like four years, with both "Lovefool" ('96) and "Natural Blues" ('99) on it. None of the others span more than two.

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 7 June 2005 16:03 (twenty years ago)

So...not a single techno or "techno" song, except the last one MAYBE

Why should there be? Techno simply wasn't big at all in the U.S. (except for the Prodigy, who I bet Rhino wanted but couldnt get the rights).

― Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Tuesday, 7 June 2005 16:11 (twenty years ago)

And here, I'd almost forgiven my ears for ever hearing "Silent Lucidity"...

― Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Tuesday, 7 June 2005 16:12 (twenty years ago)

Now That's What I Call Music, the early years?

Maybe if each CD was a particular style (rap/indie/pop/etc) it might be more interesting, but the track lists given makes listening to a disc for more than five songs in a row seem intolerable.

I'm still hoping this is a very late April Fools joke.

― theophilus jones (theophilus), Tuesday, 7 June 2005 16:13 (twenty years ago)

Prodigy was on XL/Maverick and while I thought I heard Maverick and WB split I'm not sure. Fatboy and Chemical Brothers and any other Astralwerks act may have been off limits cuz of Sony.

― miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 7 June 2005 16:14 (twenty years ago)

actually, the Maverick thing would also explain the absence of Madonna and Alanis Morrissette...but not the presence of Candlebox!

― miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 7 June 2005 16:16 (twenty years ago)

That first CD is the exact background of so many parties I attended in college (circa 90 to 92). Not saying they were good parties, but this is what they sounded like.

― Mark (MarkR), Tuesday, 7 June 2005 16:21 (twenty years ago)

There are so many songs on there that I don't want inside my house.

I don't even want the possiblity of, say a houseguest browsing through this collection and playing that "mmmmm mmmm mmmMmM" song. Or "What's Up?" suddenly coming onto the speakers because I forgot to take the time to program it out.

I'm sure that I can find "U Can't Touch This" online somewhere.

― Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Tuesday, 7 June 2005 16:25 (twenty years ago)

Is "What's The Frequency, Kenneth" R.E.M.'s default "here, have it for your stinking '90s comp" song? This is the third or fourth time I see it on a compilation (it was on some atrocity called "The Buzz", advertised on TV about 6 months back, and something else I forgot). In the meantime, wouldn't LMR or "Everybody Hurts" or "Drive"make infinitely more sense in the nostalgia context?

― joseph cotten (joseph cotten), Tuesday, 7 June 2005 16:30 (twenty years ago)

Anybody who DJs at weddings only needs to buy one other record if they own this.

OTM. But what's the other record? Something with more rap, R&B, and recent dance hits, probably?

― Pete Scholtes, Tuesday, 7 June 2005 16:32 (twenty years ago)

"What's the Fequency, Kenneth" is a much better song, and it's practically about '90s pop culture.

I actually like this a lot. The title is so broad, anyway. I don't own an iPod, so this would be a way to shore up stuff I'd never buy...

― Pete Scholtes, Tuesday, 7 June 2005 16:34 (twenty years ago)

"What's the Fequency, Kenneth" is a much better song, and it's practically about '90s pop culture

Now that's a collection I'd actually like to see - songs about '90s pop culture.

― joseph cotten (joseph cotten), Tuesday, 7 June 2005 16:38 (twenty years ago)

This is just the 90s version of that crummy 80s box set they just did.. the "Left of the Radio Dial".. or whatever the fuck it was called.

― donut debonair (donut), Tuesday, 7 June 2005 16:43 (twenty years ago)

Why didn't they just take the deep plunge into the whorey abyss of the 90s and called this box set As If? (Oh yeah, trademark issues. I'm clueless... sorry)

― donut debonair (donut), Tuesday, 7 June 2005 16:43 (twenty years ago)

If I recall correctly, the Derogatis essay in the box is about justifying the need for '90s nostalgia.

Also, those of you who suggest this would be better as an iTunes starter kit or the like don't realize that the main appeal of this box and most of Rhino's similar projects is the packaging. iTunes ain't sending out bags of coffee beans and colorful books with their downloads.

Plus, if I had this in my iPod, I'd probably break the skip function.

― Jeff Reguilon (Talent Explosion), Tuesday, 7 June 2005 16:51 (twenty years ago)

This version of the 90s makes sense without Madonna.

― Mark (MarkR), Tuesday, 7 June 2005 16:57 (twenty years ago)

THE 90s REVIVAL

You know how on TV they use squares to hide their faces
Well if you squint your eyes you can recognise the rapists
The murderers and scumbags with notches on their bumbags
For every sad and lonely life theyÕve ruined with a Stanley knife

Dead on arrival...the 90s revival

Survival of the fittest, the fattest and the richest
God save her travesty and call the next Jehovah's witness
A child of the sixties born in the nineties
A Siamese triplet from the test tube of a mad scientist

Born dead on arrival for the 90s revival

And yea though I walk through the alley in the shadow of death
I shall fear no evil, because I AM evil

So bring me some aspirin, some rope and some Valium
Turn on the gas rings and call the Samaritans
And sit back and take in the gospel and bible
Of the lip smacking, jaw breaking, rip roaring 90s revival

(No Carter USM? Travesty!)

― CharlieNo4 (Charlie), Tuesday, 7 June 2005 17:21 (twenty years ago)

"The kids of today should defend themselves against the 70s / It's not reality, it's just someone else's sentimentality."

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 7 June 2005 17:23 (twenty years ago)

This is just the 90s version of that crummy 80s box set they just did.. the "Left of the Radio Dial"

Uh, no it's not.

― Pete Scholtes, Tuesday, 7 June 2005 18:14 (twenty years ago)

No, you're right. It's even worse.

― donut debonair (donut), Tuesday, 7 June 2005 18:22 (twenty years ago)

I don't have a problem with the songs within, per se.. I just think the collection of these songs all together make for an incredibly bad box set.. that's all.

― donut debonair (donut), Tuesday, 7 June 2005 18:23 (twenty years ago)

the first disc is pretty cool cept for the, um, absence of any great new jack swing.

― Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 7 June 2005 18:26 (twenty years ago)

that's exactly my first question.. is this box trying to be an "all of the 90s"? If so, it fails. is this box trying to be one particular affect of the 90s? If so, what the fuck is it?

I mean, people who make collections don't have to follow the rules, so to speak, and making a lot of peoples' heads shake is usually a good thing in my opinion, but -- in this case -- the organization or mission of this box set is just completely befuddling. "90s Pop Culture". ?????

― donut debonair (donut), Tuesday, 7 June 2005 18:29 (twenty years ago)

i like this coz it feels like the music i dealth with thru most of the 90s, only slightly coolified, lik they've sorta gone and airbrushed me a better (but not *too* much better) fantasy past.

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Tuesday, 7 June 2005 18:33 (twenty years ago)

donut otm.

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 7 June 2005 18:35 (twenty years ago)

It's kind of like a big giant K-Tel comp.

― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Tuesday, 7 June 2005 18:37 (twenty years ago)

K-Tel would have done a much better job.

― donut debonair (donut), Tuesday, 7 June 2005 18:43 (twenty years ago)

i hope that i will not be accused of being sub-trifean for making note of the considerable LACK of 90s hiphop on this thing -- where's the wu-tang? naughty by nature? coolio? jay-z? biggie? tupac? anything touched by the hand of puffy?!?

(unless there were licensing problems -- still, this CD is whiter than a bar of ivory snow soap.)

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Tuesday, 7 June 2005 18:47 (twenty years ago)

It's so weighted towards the first half of the decade. Going chronologicially, only the last disc covers 1997-1999, while there's about three entire discs covering 1994-1996.

And how could they leave off New Radicals You Get What You Give?

― kornrulez6969 (TCBeing), Tuesday, 7 June 2005 18:48 (twenty years ago)

I think this is a "90s" box set instead of a 90s box set.

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 7 June 2005 18:50 (twenty years ago)

It seems to me they focused on the hip-hop that either had some alternative rock crossover or had some relationship to 90s Alternative. Some Beastie Boys would have helped.

― Mark (MarkR), Tuesday, 7 June 2005 18:59 (twenty years ago)

Repeated myself there - meant to say "or was a one-hit wonder".

― Mark (MarkR), Tuesday, 7 June 2005 19:00 (twenty years ago)

why is anyone surprised by this? they've done this for the '70s and '80s, of course they're doing it for the '90s. they're RHINO for fuck's sake, they've always been the VH1 of record labels. shock!

― Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Tuesday, 7 June 2005 19:07 (twenty years ago)

but they used to put out cool stuff matos, and now they've gone all corporate.

like when they put out the 70s set is was "ironic," you know. But there's nothing ironic about the verve pipe.

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Tuesday, 7 June 2005 19:08 (twenty years ago)

haha I do hope you're being ironic/funny, Sterling

― Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Tuesday, 7 June 2005 19:09 (twenty years ago)

I own the '80s box, btw, and I guarantee you this is no better or worse than that one.

― Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Tuesday, 7 June 2005 19:10 (twenty years ago)

Imagine if it was 1985 and we're all listening to New Order and A Certain Ratio and shit and Rhino were putting out *Have a Nice Day* -- you think we'd have been ready for "Dream Weaver" and and "Brandy (You're a Fine Girl)"?

― Mark (MarkR), Tuesday, 7 June 2005 19:13 (twenty years ago)

http://sprott.physics.wisc.edu/fractals/natural/rocks.jpg

― jake b. (cerybut), Tuesday, 7 June 2005 19:14 (twenty years ago)

speaking of which tho, they pick one verve pipe song and it isn't "the freshman" -- wtf!

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Tuesday, 7 June 2005 19:15 (twenty years ago)

I don't think you could really make an all-encompassing survey of the 90s, could you?

By the 90s, genres fragmented to such a large degree, especially with the commercial rise of Hip Hop and dance music.

I think Rhino could do a great anthology of 90s indie stuff, a la "Left Of The Dial."

― Brooker Buckingham (Brooker B), Tuesday, 7 June 2005 19:22 (twenty years ago)

I liked "Photograph" better than "The Freshman."

― John Fredland (jfredland), Tuesday, 7 June 2005 19:28 (twenty years ago)

Melvins?!

― Whiney G. Weingarten (whineyg), Tuesday, 7 June 2005 19:37 (twenty years ago)

From an experiential standpoint this box makes sense to me--so much so that I'd bet a dollar I went to high school/college with whoever put it together. is it a definitive look at the decade? heck no. is it a definitive look at the decade if you listened to WEQX (Manchester, VT alternative station) and got all excited about Lollapalooza coming to a nearby town? oh yeah.

― patita (patita), Tuesday, 7 June 2005 19:48 (twenty years ago)

I thought this was the new Jack-FM playlist...

― PappaWheelie (PappaWheelie), Tuesday, 7 June 2005 19:51 (twenty years ago)

well, the hip-hop acts that i listed either (a) had crossover/top 40 success (e.g., naughty by nature, coolio, puffy); or (b) were so important to understanding the music of the 90s that their lack of inclusion arguably throws this collection out-of-whack (e.g., wu-tang, biggie, tupac, jay-z).

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Tuesday, 7 June 2005 19:59 (twenty years ago)

were so important to understanding the music of the 90s that their lack of inclusion arguably throws this collection out-of-whack

uh, "understanding the music of the '90s" is not the idea here.

― Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Tuesday, 7 June 2005 20:52 (twenty years ago)

While the lack of a lot of great 90s hip-hop is sorely missing -- that is, if an inclusive-90's box set was the goal here -- I don't get the "understanding the music of" part at all.

How does any music become "a key to understanding the other music of its decade" anyway?

― donut debonair (donut), Tuesday, 7 June 2005 20:58 (twenty years ago)

..I mean, I'm not denying every decade has their MECHA-INFLUENCERS and all that.. but since the beginning of the music industry, there are so many of them per decade anyway, that it's hard to keep track.

― donut debonair (donut), Tuesday, 7 June 2005 21:00 (twenty years ago)

TS: "Whatever: the '90s Pop Culture Box"

Ladies and Gentlemen...The 40 Most OMGWTFLOL(ROFFLE) Songs Of The 90s.

(top 100 ranked near the bottom of the thread)

― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Tuesday, 7 June 2005 21:05 (twenty years ago)

DB and Matos: you have a good point. i may be putting more emphasis on the "90s pop culture box" part of the title than warranted. still, it seems kinda out-of-whack b/c by my way of thinking hip-hop had become REALLY big during the 90s, had an obvious effect upon that decade's pop culture, and largely ignoring same kinda belies the "90s pop culture box" title. if it was called "90s alt-rock/indie box," i'd have no trouble.

anyway, i'm probably being pedantic. as i said, i don't wanna get subtrifean here on this point.

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Tuesday, 7 June 2005 21:09 (twenty years ago)

This boxed set is the best representation of the 90's in any medium that I've seen so far. Very accurate, and finally something that isn't 100% targeted towards those who lived through the majority of their 30's during the 90's, ie I Love The 90's, that 90's board-game which contained almost all questions about Seinfeld, that E! list of the "most awesomest" 90's moments or whatever, which was completely inaccurate and insulting, or that syndicated 90's radio show I hear on Sunday mornings which plays a clip from the O.J. trial every week, and which just the other day, I heard play fucking "New Age Girl" by Dead Eye Dick.

I liked "Photograph" better than "The Freshman."

Agreed - "The Freshman" was an unfortunate one-hit-wonder. "Villians" is a great song as well.

― billstevejim (billstevejim), Tuesday, 7 June 2005 21:26 (twenty years ago)

Although some Wu-Tang or Dre would have been nice.

― billstevejim (billstevejim), Tuesday, 7 June 2005 21:29 (twenty years ago)

Well, I admit it's really easy for any of us to sit here and give Rhino shit about this box..

in a way, probably due to licensing issues, label conflicts, you name it,... making a dream 90s box is almost financially and timely impossible (thank you, entertainment lawyers!).

I mean, if Rhino were to hire the best of the ILX crew, as far as knowledge of pop and underground music in the 90s -- people who can put together really succinct and varied CDRGOs, for example -- the reality is: how many of those songs would Rhino actually get permission to use? How far can they go outside their own catalog, their own knowledge base, their own country, their own Western culture, etc.? And then assuming they COULD afford it after all of that, how long will it take to get the permissions to use them? Will labels like Profile or Thrill Jockey or Sony or Warp allow anything in their possession to be used on a Rhino box? Maybe. Maybe not. If any of the above say no, say goodbye to a good chunk of those songs.. Does this make sense?

― donut debonair (donut), Tuesday, 7 June 2005 21:32 (twenty years ago)

sorry for the poeple who have now seen this more than once:

The more I look at this thing, the more it looks like Rhino totally dropped the ball with this set. I'd be the first person to tell you how fantastic 90s indie and alternative are, but there was so much more to the 90s than that, and I think this set does a shit job of demonstrating that (how many songs by black people are on this thing, even? A dozen? Laughable). Anyway:

20 Essential 90s Songs This Set Would Be Shit if it Forgot to Include:

>>Disc One:

08 "Here's Where the Story Ends" - The Sundays
10 "Groove Is in the Heart" - Deee-Lite
14 "Unbelievable" - EMF
16 "O.P.P." - Naughty By Nature

>>Disc Two:
04 "I'm Too Sexy" - Right Said Fred
16 "Runaway Train" - Soul Asylum

>>Disc Three:
05 "Rump Shaker" - Wreckx-N-Effect
08 "Detachable Penis" - King Missile
09 "Freak Me" - Silk
17 "What's Up" - 4 Non Blondes

>>Disc Four:
02 "Whoomp! (There It Is)" - Tag Team
11 "Hey Jealousy" - Gin Blossoms
20 "Possession" - Sarah McLachlan

>>Disc Five:
02 "Far Behind" - Candlebox
14 "Good" - Better Than Ezra

>>Disc Six:
07 "Breakfast at Tiffany's" - Deep Blue Something
12 "Standing Outside a Broken Phone Booth With Money In My Hand" - Primitive Radio Gods

>>Disc Seven:
04 "The Impression That I Get" - The Mighty Mighty Bosstones
13 "6 Underground" - Sneaker Pimps
16 "Kiss Me" - Sixpence None the Richer
17 "Steal My Sunshine" - LEN

20 Utterly WTF? Inclusions

>>Disc One:

06 "Birdhouse in Your Soul" - They Might Be Giants
12 "New Jack Hustler (Nino's Theme)" - Ice-T

>>Disc Two:
06 "Only Shallow" - My Bloody Valentine (on a 90s pop culture set? Are you fucking kidding me???)
15 "Coattail Rider" - Supersuckers (who?)

>>Disc Three:
02 "Unsung" - Helmet
11 "If I Can't Change Your Mind" - Sugar
14 "The Devil's Chasing Me" - The Reverend Horton Heat

>>Disc Four:
03 "Broken Hearted Savior" - Big Head Todd and the Monsters
16 "Freedom of '76" - Ween

>>Disc Five:
07 "21st Century (Digital Boy)" - Bad Religion
11 "Revolve" - Melvins
19 "Carnival" - Natalie Merchant

>>Disc Six:
02 "Birthday Cake" - Cibo Matto
05 "Caught by the Fuzz" - Supergrass
08 "Photograph" - The Verve Pipe (not "The Freshmen"???)
13 "Cybele's Reverie" - Stereolab
19 "Outtasite (Outta Mind)" - Wilco

>>Disc Seven:
03 "Radiation Vibe" - Fountains Of Wayne
08 "Brian Wilson" (live) - Barenaked Ladies (not "One Week"???)
15 "Slide" - Goo Goo Dolls (not "Iris" or "Name"????) ]

131 Songs They Really Fucked Up By Not Including (In Very Roughly Chronological Order):

Vanilla Ice - "Ice Ice Baby"
Black Box - "Everybody Everybody"
Snap! - "The Power"
Big Audio Dynamite - "Rush"
Garth Brooks - "Friends in Low Places "
Sophie B. Hawkins - "Damn! I Wish I Was Your Lover"
Digital Underground - "The Humpty Dance"
The KLF - "Justified and Ancient"
Soup Dragons - "Divine Thing"
Mary J. Blige - "Real Love"
Urban Dance Squad - "Deeper Shade of Soul"
A Tribe Called Quest - "Can I Kick It?"
Bizarre Inc. - "I'm Gonna Get You"
Color Me Badd - "I'm Gonna Sex You Up"
Crystal Waters - "Gypsy Woman (She's Homeless)"
James - "Laid"
Londonbeat - "I've Been Thinking About You"
Seal - "Crazy"
La Tour - "People are Still Having Sex"
Megadeath - "Symphony of Destruction"
Ned's Atomic Dustbin - "Grey Cell Green"
Cracker - "Teen Angst (What the World Needs Now)"
Jade - "Don't Walk Away"
Shanice - "I Love Your Smile"
Temple of the Dog - "Hunger Strike"
Arrested Development - "People Everyday"
Paperboy - "Ditty'
PM Dawn - "Set Adrift on Memory Bliss"
Paul Westerberg - "Dyslexic Heart"
Pete Rock & C.L. Smooth - "T.R.O.Y. (They Reminisce Over You)"
Shakespear's Sister - "Stay"
Blind Mellon - "No Rain"
Counting Crows - "Round Here"
Robin S. - "Show Me Love"
Cypress Hill - "Insane in the Brain"
SWV - "Weak"
Positive K. - "I Got a Man"
The Verve - "Bittersweet Symphony"
Digable Planets - "Rebirth of Slick (Cool Like That)"
K7 - "Come Baby Come"
Mazzy Star - "Fade Into You"
20 Fingers f/ Gilette - "Short Dick Man"
Beck - "Loser"
Common - "I Used to Love H.E.R."
Craig Mack - "Flava in Ya Ear"
Elastica - "Connection"
Lisa Loeb & Nine Stories - "Stay (I Missed You)"
Warren G. & Nate Dogg - "Regulate"
R. Kelly - "Your Body's Callin'"
Ahmad - "Back in the Day"
Stone Temple Pilots - "Interstate Love Song"
Dino - "Ooh Child"
Adina Howard - "Freak Like Me"Bush - "Glycerine"
The Folk Implosion - "Natural One"
Edwyn Collins - "A Girl Like You"
Rappin' 4-Tay - "I'll Be Around"
Filter - "Hey Man Nice Shot"
Garbage - "Stupid Girl"
Live - "Lightning Crashes"
MoKenStef - "He's Mine"
Total f/ Notorious B.I.G. - "Can't You See"
Nikki French - "Total Eclipse of the Heart"
Everything But the Girl - "Missing (Remix)"
ESPN V/A - "Jock Jams Megamix"
Ol' Dirty Bastard - "Shimmy Shimmy Ya"
Real McCoy - "Another Night"
The Offspring - "Come Out and Play (Keep 'em Separated)"
Skee-Lo - "I Wish"
Robert Miles - "Children"
Foo Fighters - "Big Me"
112 f/ Notorious B.I.G. & Mase - "Only You (Remix)"
Blackstreet f/ Dr. Dre & Queen Pen - "No Diggity"
Celine Dion - "It's All Coming Back to Me Now"
Donna Lewis - "I Love You Always Forever"
Everclear - "Santa Monica"
Nada Surf - "Popular"
The Refreshments - "Banditos"
Tony Rich Project - "Nobody Knows"
The Chemical Brothers - "Setting Sun"
The Prodigy - "Firstarter"
BoneThugs n Harmony - "Tha Crossroads"
Toni Braxton - "You're Making Me High"
Placebo - "Pure Morning"
311 - "All Mixed Up"
Allure f/ Nas - "Head Over Heels"
Atari Teenage Riot - "Revolution Action"
Crystal Method - "Busy Child"
Spice Girls - "2 Become 1"
Cornershop - "Brimful of Asha"
Changing Faces - "G.H.E.T.T.O.U.T."
Harvey Danger - "Flagpole Sitta"
Missy Elliott - "The Rain (Supa Dupa Fly)"
Reel Big Fish - "Sell Out"
LeAnn Rimes - "How Do I Live?"
Puff Daddy f/ Notorious B.I.G., Lil' Kim & The LOX - "It's All About the Benjamins"
Sugar Ray - "Fly"
Daft Punk - "Around the World"
Blur - "Song 2"
Third Eye Blind - "Semi-Charmed Life"
Blink-182 - "Dammit"
Bran Van 3000 - "Drinking in L.A."
Fiona Apple - "Criminal"
Fuel - "Shimmer"
Cherry Poppin' Daddies - "Zoot Suit Riot"
Brian Setzer Orchestra - "Jump, Jive an' Wail"
Master P. f/ Everyone - "Make 'em Say Uggh"
Fastball - "The Way"
Semisonic - "Closing Time"
Monica - "Angel of Mine"
Monifah - "Touch It"
Shania Twain - "You're Still the ONe"
New Radicals - "You Get What You Give"
Space Monkeys - "Sugar Kane"
Tatyana Ali - "Daydreamin'"
Lord Tariq & Peter Gunz - "Deja Vu"
Stardust - "Music Sounds Better With You"
Will Smith - "Gettin' Jiggy Wit It"
LFO - "Summer Girls"
Mandy Moore - "Candy"
N Sync - "Tearin' Up My Heart"
Rammstein - "Du Hast"
Orgy - "Blue Monday"
The Deftones - "My Own Summer (Shove It)"
Fatboy Slim - "Praise You"
Jordan Knight - "Give it to You"
Mr. Oizo - "Flat Beat"
Marc Antony - "I Need to Know"
Ricky Martin - "Livin' La Vida Loca"
Santana f/ Rob Thomas - "Smooth"

― The Good Dr. Bill (The Good Dr. Bill), Tuesday, 7 June 2005 21:33 (twenty years ago)

Finally! This is beyond brilliant, you people don't know what you're talking about.

Hahhhahahahaha many points to whoever this was because it definitely wasn't me

― The Good Dr. Bill (The Good Dr. Bill), Tuesday, 7 June 2005 21:35 (twenty years ago)

Ugh.... major xpost... if you want to scroll up that far now.

Basically my point is: fully varied and succinct box sets encapsulating time periods are not quite a reality yet. thanks to a lot of industry, legalese, what have you. Otherwise, we'd all be typing from our mansions from the royalties of the CDRGO series.

― donut debonair (donut), Tuesday, 7 June 2005 21:35 (twenty years ago)

Threads on this topic on two other webboards both had me in the title, and I get a parody lurker on this one. Today I have truly achieved webboard infamy.

― The Good Dr. Bill (The Good Dr. Bill), Tuesday, 7 June 2005 21:36 (twenty years ago)

Hey, uh, if one of you folks who says this is a travesty get a free copy, please send it to me, because it will pretty much be the only thing that gets played in my apartment for a month. Thanks.

― Eppy (Eppy), Tuesday, 7 June 2005 21:39 (twenty years ago)

What I like most about this box is that this is the part of the 90's that is most forgotten about. The examples I mentioned earlier seem to never want to mention anything about the 90's being the only time in which the media actually encouraged kids to search for interesting not-so-mainstream entertainment. This was barely touched upon in I Love The 90s, the E! list, that board game, or that horrible syndicated radio show.

― billstevejim (billstevejim), Tuesday, 7 June 2005 21:43 (twenty years ago)

(x-post) seriously. For all its faults, this thing would still make a phenomenal listen.

What I like most about this box is that this is the part of the 90's that is most forgotten about. The examples I mentioned earlier seem to never want to mention anything about the 90's being the only time in which the media actually encouraged kids to search for interesting not-so-mainstream entertainment. This was barely touched upon in I Love The 90s, the E! list, that board game, or that horrible syndicated radio show.

I hear this, and I agree that this should have been a proportionally larger part of the box than the 80s or 70s ones, but the degree to which this is taken is utterly ridiculous. If you were using this set as a narrative of pop music history, then rap started out as a novelty-based genre, peaked in popularity in the early-mid 90s and was more or less dead by the end of the decade. C&W didn't take over the country either, and aside from a few adult-contemporary crossovers, R&B remained a mostly underground genre.

― The Good Dr. Bill (The Good Dr. Bill), Tuesday, 7 June 2005 21:46 (twenty years ago)

sometimes i think these things come out when the rhino licensing department gets bored

― Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Tuesday, 7 June 2005 21:48 (twenty years ago)

Your list is great, Bill! Burn those tunes for me and I'll buy you a drink.

― Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 7 June 2005 21:55 (twenty years ago)

Thanks Al. I'm sure I'll make a set like this someday. It was only a matter of time to begin with.

― The Good Dr. Bill (The Good Dr. Bill), Tuesday, 7 June 2005 21:57 (twenty years ago)

actually, i think that we do agree here. it's quite possible that the reason why there's no rokafella or bad boy (or no limit, for that matter) hiphop here is b/c jay-z, puffy, master p, or whomever may want more $$ than rhino is willing to pay (and not rhino's ignorance of 90s hiphop).

anyway, putting one of these things together is a no-win deal -- someone will bitch about SOMETHING. the nuggets/wanna buy a bridge? days of comps are long dead. (and no, this isn't a bad comp at all -- i'd listen to it fer sure.)

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Tuesday, 7 June 2005 21:57 (twenty years ago)

No 90's boxed set is complete without "Candy Rain" by Soul 4 Real. I'll let it slide this time.

― billstevejim (billstevejim), Tuesday, 7 June 2005 22:02 (twenty years ago)

Unrepresented are such iconic artists as Britney Spears

Name me one person who honestly associates her with the 90's (besides the minority of those who would get nostalgic by a clip from an old MMC episode)

― billstevejim (billstevejim), Tuesday, 7 June 2005 22:05 (twenty years ago)

they did the right thing with leaving off the really big names of the decade. Nobody wants to hear those artists again.

― The Good Dr. Bill (The Good Dr. Bill), Tuesday, 7 June 2005 22:07 (twenty years ago)

they did the ~~right~~ [obvious] thing with leaving off the really big names of the decade [they could not afford to license]. Nobody wants to hear those artists ~~again~~ [alongside bands most of the mainstream artists's fans would find more boring anyway].

― donut debonair (donut), Tuesday, 7 June 2005 22:15 (twenty years ago)

No Smashing Pumpkins.........this is a joke, right?

― PB, Tuesday, 7 June 2005 22:55 (twenty years ago)

DB is so so so so SO OTM about licensing, though I must say it's actually gotten easier if anything to do things like this since megacorp merger mania has put more catalogues under single roofs. and I kind of think it might be easier to license from smaller indies than he's saying it is--there's a lot of folks who wouldn't mind the scratch from a stocking-stuffer item like this, y'know? that said, I'm sure I'd enjoy that long-ass alternate list posted earlier as much or more than the real thing here.

― Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Tuesday, 7 June 2005 23:07 (twenty years ago)

Also, some bands are -- for whatever reason -- idealogically against being used in a time encapsulation box set -- even if they are the perfect fit. They will NOT be on the box set. Sometimes these bands aren't even that big! They're just against this sort of thing for their own reasons. No amount of money (or at least an obscene amount of money) would help. This isn't common at all, but it happens.

― donut debonair (donut), Tuesday, 7 June 2005 23:14 (twenty years ago)

Rhino is compiling a grandiose box set

Surely Barry A. Jeckel means grand here? Personally I think box sets are grandiose by defintion but I doubt that's the message Billboard seeks to convey.

― m coleman (lovebug starski), Tuesday, 7 June 2005 23:55 (twenty years ago)

I'd say this is grandiose for a box set, though, with the coffee beans and all.

― Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Wednesday, 8 June 2005 00:02 (twenty years ago)

maybe it's something inherent in the decades (i doubt it but) - have a nice day was fantastic (and something quite different than just a '70s pop culture box')(anti-rockist curatorial magicks), no thanks was about as perfect as it could be (with the only glitch - no pistols/pil - due to licensing issues), and i was really looking forward to left of the dial which ended up being useless (although i like the line - matos's maybe? - that it had way too much boring garbage and flowed horribly, in other words it was just like listening to college radio in the 80s). and now this. have a nice day changed the way i thought about music (in a way), no thanks worked as a really great 'all the obvious stuff' mix and a really great primer to give to younger cousins/siblings (and compiling all the obvious stuff and putting it together in an obvious order is ALOT harder than it looks). and what's really sad is that the 90s is superripe for either approach.

― j blount (papa la bas), Wednesday, 8 June 2005 07:01 (twenty years ago)

The Cosby sweater of boxed sets?

http://www.uglyagnes.com/blog/MustoSweater1.jpg

― Dr. Gene Scott (shinybeast), Wednesday, 8 June 2005 08:53 (twenty years ago)

Music critics Jim DeRogatis and Joel Stein contribute essays to the book

Good thing Rhino secured the two most, ah, authoritative voices of their generation. Forget the coffee beans, they've should've included a promo packet of Advil -- or a script for Vicodin.

― m coleman (lovebug starski), Wednesday, 8 June 2005 09:33 (twenty years ago)

Taking Sides: this vs

http://www.ivograsman.nl/img/news_img/soundtrack.png

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Wednesday, 8 June 2005 09:48 (twenty years ago)

Some of you are nuts. There's so much good stuff on that comp.

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Wednesday, 8 June 2005 15:07 (twenty years ago)

yes (even if you think so), but it still fails on at least the level i think they were going for: popular radio hits. like several have said upthread, it's pretty good at "a definitive look at the decade if you listened to WEQX (Manchester, VT alternative station) and got all excited about Lollapalooza coming to a nearby town? oh yeah. "

but i'd say it still fails at that! Sugar Free Jazz? How is that a bigger hit that super bon bon? plus, the glaring lack of artists already mentioned in the article. its a mess. it's not the definitive *anything*. who would buy such a thing?

― AaronK (AaronK), Wednesday, 8 June 2005 16:06 (twenty years ago)

I thought the same thing, Andrew, even though GTA:SA only goes up to 1993 or so.

― Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Wednesday, 8 June 2005 16:23 (twenty years ago)

yeah - even though san andreas only goes up to 93 and has several stations that aren't 90s oriented at all it still smokes this one

― j blount (papa la bas), Wednesday, 8 June 2005 16:26 (twenty years ago)

Some of you are nuts. There's so much good stuff on that comp.

I think you're missing the point. I don't think anyone believes the comp has bad tracks.

Just speaking for myself, I'm just arguing that the entire whole of the box set, the sequencing, etc. just makes for a very bad collection.

It depends on ultimately how much this costs, really. I mean, I'll buy a double-CD comp, knowing that I'll only like no more than a third, is it's cheap enough.. like no more than 8 or 9 bucks.

If this is priced accordingly and *cheaply*, then, yeah, people will likely buy this just to get a bunch of good songs they noted while perusing the tracklisting and skip the rest. ("Hey, it was only $24.99 or something")

But if this gets a standard box set pricing (define that as anything costing more than "a RIDICULOUSLY great deal"), who cares if this box set has a lot of good songs? Who wants to spend that much money and get to sift through a bunch of "crappy" songs with it? How many people buying this for the MC Hammer type stuff are going to care about Marc Cohn.. or the Verve Pipe.. or Mudhoney... or Weezer? Vice versa all the permutations.

Non-ILXor non-OCD types may give more a shit about "flow" or whatever, but it's not as if mainstream consumers don't have some standard for it either.

(This isn't all directed at you, Matthew, save the first sentence.)

― donut debonair (donut), Wednesday, 8 June 2005 16:38 (twenty years ago)

In brief.. people care less about "a good set of music" the lower the price is. Let's see how much this costs.

― donut debonair (donut), Wednesday, 8 June 2005 16:40 (twenty years ago)

I'd be shocked if this costs any less than $100.

Which is probably for the best, since that'll probably keep me from stupidly buying it.

― The Good Dr. Bill (The Good Dr. Bill), Wednesday, 8 June 2005 16:49 (twenty years ago)

This is just the 90s version of that crummy 80s box set they just did.. the "Left of the Radio Dial".. or whatever the fuck it was called.

-- donut debonair (do...), June 7th, 2005.

actually, donut, the Left of the Dial set was the *better* of their '80s sets. the bad one was called Like, Oh My God: '80s Pop Culture or somesuch.

ihttp://www.amazon.com/gp/product/images/B000068ZVP/ref=dp_product-image-only_0/104-9454234-1878324?%5Fencoding=UTF8&n=5174&s=music

truthfully, though, Left of the Dial's got *some* great stuff.

― ken taylrr (ken taylrr), Wednesday, 8 June 2005 17:10 (twenty years ago)

And Good Dr. Bill - I want *your* boxed set!

― ken taylrr (ken taylrr), Wednesday, 8 June 2005 17:20 (twenty years ago)

yeah, I should get on this. All in good time.

― The Good Dr. Bill (The Good Dr. Bill), Wednesday, 8 June 2005 17:29 (twenty years ago)

Wu-Tang definitley allows songs on certain comps - "C.R.E.A.M." is on the Orgazmo soundtrack. I'm sure at least one solo track could have been on there. I've seen "Regulate" on a few $5 comps (not including used copies of the Above The Rim sntk). I don't think it would have been hard to recieve the rights to at least half of the hiphop tracks on Dr. Bill's list.

― billstevejim (billstevejim), Wednesday, 8 June 2005 21:19 (twenty years ago)

I liked it better when Rhino would release, like, 20 volumes of a series, all separate, rather than bundled together in a box. But my main problem with this one is that there are far too many songs on here that made me *stop* listening to the radio for much of the '90s.

Oh, and what's Jane Siberry doing on here?

― Josh in Chicago (Josh in Chicago), Wednesday, 8 June 2005 22:15 (twenty years ago)

This looks highly successful selling to (what I expect is) the target market for Rhino boxes - twentysomething white people who grew up on alt-rock radio, but heard Aaliyah at a party.

I own (or 'own' in the case of downloaded stuff) too much of the good stuff to think about buying it, but for the average listener it has enough fond memories, curveballs (great great great Velocity Girl track on an album that probably sold almost nothing) to provide variety and group singalongs/memories for road trips and sitting around with friends.

notable missing track: K's Choice, "Not An Addict"

― milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Thursday, 9 June 2005 00:25 (twenty years ago)

that song is terrible, man.

― The Good Dr. Bill (The Good Dr. Bill), Thursday, 9 June 2005 03:02 (twenty years ago)

That's a disappointing Sublime choice.

― Sundar (sundar), Thursday, 9 June 2005 03:05 (twenty years ago)

I liked it better when Rhino would release, like, 20 volumes of a series, all separate, rather than bundled together in a box.

Haha yeah, I do think that this box would be less missunderstood if it had come along in a "Have A Nice Day"/"Just Can't Get Enough" format. And there'd be less outrage over a box set that's quite clearly trying to do a kitschy overview of the decade's most dated one hit wonders type stuff not featuring The Notorious B.I.G. (like James Brown appeared on "Have A Nice Day"! Well, he did on "Have A Nice Decade".)

― Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Thursday, 9 June 2005 08:04 (twenty years ago)

a box set that's quite clearly trying to do a kitschy overview of the decade's most dated one hit wonders type stuff

If anything, this isn't enough of the case.

― The Good Dr. Bill (The Good Dr. Bill), Thursday, 9 June 2005 12:04 (twenty years ago)

If anything this set seems premature.

OTM if you mean, too soon- let the wounds heal before you go poking them

― nothingleft (nothingleft), Thursday, 9 June 2005 13:19 (twenty years ago)

"In the Meantime," Spacehog

Isn't the Spacehog singer married to Liv Tyler?

― nathalie's post modern sleaze fest (stevie nixed), Thursday, 9 June 2005 13:52 (twenty years ago)

I did this

MP3s available.

― The Good Dr. Bill (The Good Dr. Bill), Monday, 20 June 2005 22:48 (twenty years ago)

haha you will be contacted by me soon.

― Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Monday, 20 June 2005 23:03 (twenty years ago)

Tracklisting for people too lazy to click on link / read through:

CD 1: Bang the Bass, Turn Up the Treble

01. Vanilla Ice – “Ice, Ice Baby” (Year: 1990, Peak Chart Position: #1)
02. Black Box – “Everybody Everybody (1990, #8 Pop, #1 Dance)
03. Lisa Stansfield – “All Around the World” (1990, #3 Pop, #1 Dance)
04. The Sundays – “Here’s Where the Story Ends” (1990, #1 Modern Rock)
05. DNA feat. Suzanne Vega – “Tom’s Diner (Remix)” (1990, #5 Pop, #5 Dance)
06. Digital Underground – “The Humpty Dance” (1990, #11 Pop, #1 Rap)
07. Jane Child – “Don’t Wanna Fall in Love” (1990, #2 Pop)
08. Urban Dance Squad – “Deeper Shade of Soul” (1990, #21 Pop)
09. Soho – “Hippychick” (1990, #14 Pop, #1 Dance)
10. Bell Biv DeVoe – “Poison” (1990, #3 Pop, #1 R&B)
11. Mellow Man Ace – “Mentirosa” (1990, #14 Pop)
12. Deee-Lite – “Groove is in the Heart” (1990, #4 Pop, #1 Dance)
13. Snap – “The Power” (1990, #2 Pop, #1 Dance)
14. Michael Penn – “No Myth” (1990, #14 Pop, #4 Modern Rock)
15. Material Issue – “Valerie Loves Me” (1991, #3 Modern Rock)
16. Amy Grant – “Baby, Baby” (1991, #1)
17. La Tour – “People are Still Having Sex” (1991, #35 Pop, #1 Dance)
18. Jesus Jones – “Right Here, Right Now” (1991, #2 Pop, #1 Modern Rock)
19. Nice & Smooth – “Sometimes I Rhyme Slow” (1992, #44 Pop, #1 Rap)

CD 2: C'mon C'mon, Feel It Feel It

01. Color Me Badd – “I Wanna Sex You Up” (1991, #2 Pop, #1 R&B)
02. EMF – “Unbelievable” (1991, #1)
03. Enigma – “Sadness, Pt. 1” (1991, #5 Pop, #1 Dance)
04. Naughty By Nature – “O.P.P.” (1991, #6 Pop, #1 Rap)
05. Shanice – “I Love Your Smile” (1991, #2 Pop, #1 R&B)
06. Queensryche – “Silent Lucidity” (1991, #9 Pop, #1 Modern Rock)
07. The KLF – “3 A.M. Eternal” (1991, #5 Pop, #1 Dance)
08. Marky Mark & the Funky Bunch – “Good Vibrations” (1991, #1)
09. PM Dawn – “Set Adrift on Memory Bliss” (1991, #1)
10. En Vogue – “Free Your Mind” (1992, #8 Pop)
11. Screaming Trees – “Nearly Lost You” (1992, #5 Rock)
12. Wreckx-n-Effect – “Rump Shaker” (1992, #2 Pop, #1 Rap)
13. Jade – “Don’t Walk Away” (1992, #4 Pop, #2 R&B)
14. Tom Cochrane – “Life as a Highway” (1992, #6 Pop)
15. Paperboy – “Ditty” (1992, #10 Pop)
16. Black Sheep – “The Choice is Yours” (1992, #57 Pop, #1 Rap)
17. LA Style – “James Brown is Dead” (1992, #59 Pop, #4 Dance)
18. Temple of the Dog – “Hunger Strike” (1992, #4 Mainstream Rock)

CD 3: Yo DJ Pump This Party

01. Mr. Big – “To Be With You” (1992, #1)
02. Soup Dragons – “Divine Thing” (1992, #35 Pop, #3 Modern Rock)
03. K.W.S. – “Please Don’t Go” (1992, #6 Pop)
04. Arrested Development – “People Everyday” (1992, #8 Pop, #1 Rap)
05. Sophie B. Hawkins – “Damn! I Wish I Was Your Lover” (1992, #5 Pop)
06. The Breeders – “Cannonball” (1993, #44 Pop, #2 Modern Rock)
07. Positive K – “I Got a Man” (1993, #14 Pop, #1 Rap)
08. Silk – “Freak Me” (1993, #1)
09. Inner Circle – “Bad Boys” (1993, #8 Pop)
10. Jordy – “Dur Dur d’Etre Bebe!” (1993, #58 Pop, #11 Latin Pop)
11. The Proclaimers – “I’m Gonna Be (500 Miles)” (1993, #3 Pop)
12. Toad the Wet Sprocket – “Walk on the Ocean” (1993, #18 Pop, #10 Top 40)
13. K7 – “Come Baby Come” (1993, #19 Pop, #5 Dance)
14. Robin S. – “Show Me Love” (1993, #5 Pop, #1 Dance)
15. Digable Planets – “Rebirth of Slick (Cool Like Dat)” (1993, #15 Pop, #1 Dance)
16. Gin Blossoms – “Hey Jealousy” (1993, #25 Pop, #4 Modern Rock)
17. Ice Cube – “It Was a Good Day” (1993, #15 Pop, #1 Rap)
18. 4 Non-Blondes – “What’s Up?” (1993, #14 Pop)
19. Bizarre Inc. – “I’m Gonna Get You” (1993, #47 Pop, #1 Dance)

CD 4: Rhythm is Life and Life is Rhythm

01. The Offspring – “Come Out and Play (Keep ‘em Separated)” (1994, #1 Modern Rock)
02. Lucas – “Lucas with the Lid Off” (1994, #29 Pop, #22 Modern Rock)
03. 20 Fingers feat. Gilette – “Short Dick Man” (1994, #14 Pop, #3 Dance)
04. Candlebox – “Far Behind” (1994, #18 Pop, #4 Mainstream Rock)
05. Craig Mack – “Flava in Ya Ear” (1994, #9 Pop, #1 Rap)
06. Sagat – “Funk Dat” (1994, #63 Pop, #3 Dance)
07. Rappin’ 4-Tay feat. The Spinners – “I’ll Be Around” (1994, #39 Pop, #6 Rap)
08. Lisa Loeb & Nine Stories – “Stay (I Missed You)” (1994, #1)
09. Ahmad – “Back in the Day” (Remix) (1994, #26 Pop, #3 Rap)
10. Crystal Waters – “100% Pure Love” (1994, #11 Pop, #1 Dance)
11. James – “Laid” (1994, #64 Pop, #3 Rock)
12. Gabrielle – “Dreams” (1994, #26 Pop, #1 Dance)
13. Doop – “Doop” (1994, #2 Dance)
14. Warren G. feat. Nate Dogg – “Regulate” (1994, #2 Pop, #1 Rap)
15. Stone Temple Pilots – “Interstate Love Song” (1994, #1 Mainstream Rock)
16. Edwyn Collins – “A Girl Like You” (1995, #32 Pop, #7 Modern Rock)
17. Everything But the Girl – “Missing (Club Remix)” (1995, #2 Pop, #1 Dance)
18. The Rentals – “Friends of P.” (1995, #82 Pop, #7 Modern Rock)
19. Take That – “Back for Good” (1995, #7 Pop, #1 Top 40)
20. Deep Blue Something – “Breakfast at Tiffany’s” (1995, #5 Pop, #1 Top 40)

CD 5: On the Rooftop, Shout It Out

01. Skee-Lo – “I Wish” (1995, #13 Pop, #8 Rap)
02. Del Amitri – “Roll to Me” (1995, #10 Pop, #1 Top 40)
03. Dionne Farris – “I Know” (1995, #4 Pop, #1 Top 40)
04. Soul Asylum – “Misery” (1995, #20 Pop, #1 Modern Rock)
05. The Folk Implosion – “Natural One” (1995, #29 Pop, #4 Modern Rock)
06. Adina Howard – “Freak Like Me” (1995, #2 Pop)
07. Better Than Ezra – “Good” (1995, #30 Pop, #1 Modern Rock)
08. Republica – “Ready to Go” (1996, #56 Pop, #7 Modern Rock)
09. Blackstreet feat. Dr. Dre & Queen Pen – “No Diggity” (1996, #1)
10. The Cardigans – “Lovefool” (1996, #1 Top 40)
11. Bush – “Glycerine” (1996, #28 Pop, #4 Modern Rock)
12. Spacehog – “In the Meantime” (1996, #32 Pop, #1 Modern Rock)
13. Garbage – “Stupid Girl” (1996, #24 Pop, #2 Modern Rock)
14. Robert Miles – “Children” (1996, #21 Pop, #1 Dance)
15. Primitive Radio Gods – “Standing Outside a Broken Phone Booth With Money in My Hands” (1996, #1 Modern Rock)
16. Gina G. – “Oooh Ahh…Just a Little Bit” (1996, #12 Pop, #5 Top 40)
17. Nada Surf – “Popular” (1996, #11 Modern Rock)
18. Jars of Clay – “Flood” (1996, #37 Pop, #12 Modern Rock)
19. Bone Thugs n Harmony – “Tha Crossroads” (1996, #1)
20. Donna Lewis – “I Love You Always Forever” (1996, #2 Pop, #1 Top 40)

CD 6: East Coast Feel Me, West Coast Feel Me

01. Blink-182 – “Dammit” (1997, #11 Modern Rock)
02. Blur – “Song 2” (1997, #6 Modern Rock)
03. OMC – “How Bizarre” (1997, #1 Top 40)
04. Mark Morrison – “Return of the Mack” (1997, #2 Pop, #1 Top 40)
05. Freaknasty – “Da Dip” (1997, #15 Pop, #4 Rap)
06. Sneaker Pimps – “6 Underground” (1997, #45 Pop, #7 Modern Rock)
07. Various Artists – “ESPN Jock Jams Megamix” (1997, #31 Pop)
08. Reel Big Fish – “Sell Out” (1997, #10 Modern Rock)
09. Sugar Ray feat. Supercat – “Fly” (1997, #1 Modern Rock, #1 Top 40)
10. The Verve Pipe – “The Freshmen” (1997, #5 Pop, #1 Modern Rock)
11. Puff Daddy feat. The LOX, Lil’ Kim & the Notorious B.I.G. – “It’s All About the Benjamins” (1997, #1 Rap)
12. Third Eye Blind – “Semi-Charmed Life” (1997, #4 Pop, #1 Modern Rock)
13. Jimmy Ray – “Are You Jimmy Ray?” (1998, #13 Pop, #10 Top 40)
14. K.P. & Envyi – “Swing My Way” (1998, #6 Pop, #5 R&B)
15. Natalie Imbruglia – “Torn” (1998, #42 Pop, #1 Top 40)
16. Aaliyah feat. Timbaland – “Are You That Somebody?” (1998, #21 Pop, #1 R&B)
17. DMX – “How It’s Going Down” (1998, #70 Pop, #19 R&B)
18. The Crystal Method – “Busy Child” (1998, #34 Dance)
19. Rammstein – “Du Hast” (1998, AMG says this didn’t chart but that could not 20. All Saints – “Never Ever” (1998, #4 Pop, #3 Top 40)

CD 7: Get in the Pit and Try to Love Someone

01. Marcy Playground – “Sex and Candy” (1998, #8 Pop, #1 Modern Rock)
02. Tatyana Ali feat. Lord Tariq and Peter Gunz – “Daydreaming” (1998, #6 Pop, #2 Top 40)
03. Master P. feat. Silkk the Shocker, Mia X., Mystikal & Fiend – “Make ‘em Say Uggh” (#16 Pop, #11 Rap)
04. Shania Twain – “You’re Still the One” (1998, #2 Pop, #1 Adult Contemporary)
05. Barenaked Ladies – “One Week” (1998, #1)
06. Next – “Too Close” (1998, #1)
07. Filter – “Take a Picture” (1999, #12 Pop, #1 Dance)
08. Marc Anthony – “I Need To Know” (1999, #3 Pop)
09. Jordan Knight – “Give It To You” (1999, #10 Pop)
10. Ol’ Dirty Bastard feat. Kelis – “Got Your Money” (1999, #26 Pop, #6 Rap)
11. Sixpence None the Richer – “Kiss Me” (1999, #2 Pop, #1 Top 40)
12. The New Radicals – “You Get What You Give” (1999, #36 Pop, #8 Modern Rock)
13. Kid Rock – “Bawitdaba” (1999, #10 Modern Rock)
14. Len – “Steal My Sunshine” (1999, #9 Pop, #2 Top 40)
15. The Vengaboys – “We Like to Party” (1999, #26 Pop, #3 Dance)
16. Lou Bega – “Mambo No. 5” (1999, #3 Pop, #1 Top 40)
17. Mandy Moore – “Candy” (1999, #41 Pop, #27 Top 40)
18. LFO – “Summer Girls” (1999, #28 Top 40)
19. Baz Luhrmann – “Everybody’s Free (To Wear Sunscreen)” (1999, #45 Pop, #10 Top 40)

― The Good Dr. Bill (The Good Dr. Bill), Monday, 20 June 2005 23:11 (twenty years ago)

I like how you managed to include precisely one completely unlistenable song on each CD!

― J (Jay), Monday, 20 June 2005 23:19 (twenty years ago)

02. EMF – “Unbelievable” (1991, #1)
...give me this over just about anything by the Roses or the Mondays any day of the week.

You just made my day.

― billstevejim (billstevejim), Monday, 20 June 2005 23:28 (twenty years ago)

God, it's weird how many of those songs in 1999 I could have sworn were a couple of years earlier.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 20 June 2005 23:30 (twenty years ago)

hm, can I take a guess?

1. Michael Penn - "No Myth"
2. Tom Cochrane - "Life is a Highway"
3. 4 Non-Blondes - "What's Up?"
4. Candlebox - "Far Behind"
5. Soul Asylum - "Misery"
6. The Verve Pipe - "The Freshmen"
7. Marcy Playground - "One Week"

― The Good Dr. Bill (The Good Dr. Bill), Monday, 20 June 2005 23:31 (twenty years ago)

that was about the unlistenable song-per disc, btx.

You just made my day.

Awesome, that song always needs more love.

― The Good Dr. Bill (The Good Dr. Bill), Monday, 20 June 2005 23:32 (twenty years ago)

Ew, that list of seven songs there just made me want to destroy humanity.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 20 June 2005 23:36 (twenty years ago)

"No Myth" rules!

― miccio (miccio), Monday, 20 June 2005 23:38 (twenty years ago)

I mean, they all do (with the possibly eexceptions of "Life is a Highway" and "Far Behind")

haha, I wasn't sure whether to guess Marcy Playground or Barenaked Ladies for #7, so I guess I accidentally kinda hedged my bets.

― The Good Dr. Bill (The Good Dr. Bill), Monday, 20 June 2005 23:40 (twenty years ago)

Marcy Playground covering "One Week" would be the best thing ever!

If only Jay-Z was willing to come out of retirement to do the rap...

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Monday, 20 June 2005 23:45 (twenty years ago)

better yet, Lucas

― miccio (miccio), Monday, 20 June 2005 23:47 (twenty years ago)

Barenaked Ladies' "One Week" screwed & chopped = Marcy Playground's "Sex and Candy"

― The Good Dr. Bill (The Good Dr. Bill), Monday, 20 June 2005 23:47 (twenty years ago)

When are we gonna get the "Legends of the 90s" tours anyway?

MY LIFE STORY (performing their smash hit single "King of Kissingdom")

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Monday, 20 June 2005 23:48 (twenty years ago)

~~Barenaked Ladies' "One Week"~~Crash Test Dummies' "Mmmm Mmmm Mmmm" screwed & chopped = Marcy Playground's "Sex and Candy"

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Monday, 20 June 2005 23:48 (twenty years ago)

spread the vibes, kid.

― The Good Dr. Bill (The Good Dr. Bill), Monday, 20 June 2005 23:51 (twenty years ago)

I'm lovin, I'm lovin, I'm lovin... and THEN SUDDENLY, ALL OF A SUDDEN.... it's 1999, and everything turns to crap. I love how every retold history of the 90's I've ever experienced makes me feel this way, that 1999 was like the "one of these things is not like the other" year of the 90's, the one that truly killed the decade off quite well. A great thing for some, but not for me, personally. For real though, I enjoy this box nearly all the way through, and then 1999 shows up, and suddenly I'm only accepting a mere 6 out of the 13 choices for that year (9, 10, 12, 14, 17 & 18). This almost completely matches the opinions I had about new music in 1999, and so I commend the accuracy, although there's a good chance this wasn't your intention.

I might possibly post my 16-CD box (or 2-disc mp3 mix) of 1995-1998 someday. Not today though.

― billstevejim (billstevejim), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 04:43 (twenty years ago)

HMV's now discontinued take on the decade

Best bit is perhaps how they manage to find room for Lindy Layton but not Beats International.

― William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 08:17 (twenty years ago)

well BSJ, if you don't like "Take a Picture" or "Kiss Me" there's really not too much I can do for you.

― The Good Dr. Bill (The Good Dr. Bill), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 13:27 (twenty years ago)

hm, can I take a guess?

1. Michael Penn - "No Myth"

MENTALIST! THIS TRACK IS GENIUZ!

― J (Jay), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 13:42 (twenty years ago)

08. Urban Dance Squad – “Deeper Shade of Soul” (1990, #21 Pop)
03. Enigma – “Sadness, Pt. 1” (1991, #5 Pop, #1 Dance)
18. 4 Non-Blondes – “What’s Up?” (1993, #14 Pop)
20. Deep Blue Something – “Breakfast at Tiffany’s” (1995, #5 Pop, #1 Top 40)
02. Del Amitri – “Roll to Me” (1995, #10 Pop, #1 Top 40)
12. Third Eye Blind – “Semi-Charmed Life” (1997, #4 Pop, #1 Modern Rock)
11. Sixpence None the Richer – “Kiss Me” (1999, #2 Pop, #1 Top 40)

― J (Jay), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 13:45 (twenty years ago)

"Deeper Shade of Soul"?

Why on earth would that be unlistenable.

― The Good Dr. Bill (The Good Dr. Bill), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 13:50 (twenty years ago)

CDs 1-3 are like a strange tour through my cassingles collection...

― rogermexico (rogermexico), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 15:56 (twenty years ago)

Hey, I felt the same way about "No Myth"!

― J (Jay), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 16:00 (twenty years ago)

three weeks pass...

Dr., are you doing MP3 discs?

― Rickey Wright (Rrrickey), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 22:13 (twenty years ago)

it's shared on soulseek under the sn: fadeout95.

Aside from that...probably not. But if it really doesn't work and there's no other way around it, I will.

― The Good Dr. Bill (The Good Dr. Bill), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 22:21 (twenty years ago)

Cool, thanks. This is so much better than the Rhino box (I know I'm not the first one to say this), it's silly.

― Rickey Wright (Rrrickey), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 22:31 (twenty years ago)

thanks.

― The Good Dr. Bill (The Good Dr. Bill), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 23:40 (twenty years ago)

I'm halfway through the promo of Whatever, and it's better than I expected. The tracklist seemed to have a weird amount of college and alternative music but when you actually play it, it basically sounds like every annoying song that was on the radio back then - and it's fun to hear them again, once.

― save the robot (save the robot), Wednesday, 13 July 2005 00:50 (twenty years ago)

nine months pass...

[spam]

― 8CXDxvteNT, Monday, 17 April 2006 20:46 (twenty years ago)

That's just what I was gonna say!

― Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Monday, 17 April 2006 22:08 (twenty years ago)

U-no, if I was trapped inside VH-1 for for most of the previous decade, I might like this!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

― Old Fart!!! (oldfart_sd), Tuesday, 18 April 2006 13:51 (twenty years ago)

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