Mondo Kim's NYC RIAA-ded (raided?) ?

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apparently this just happened at like 1, 1:30pm or so wednesday. like five staffers arrested re: buying/selling mixtapes in-store. anyone confirm/deny?

Nick Sylvester, Thursday, 9 June 2005 05:04 (twenty years ago)

Oh I hope that isn't true.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 9 June 2005 05:06 (twenty years ago)

i guess the game means bidness in his new feud w/ fiddy

Eisbär (llamasfur), Thursday, 9 June 2005 05:07 (twenty years ago)

(no comment)

donut e-goon (donut), Thursday, 9 June 2005 05:11 (twenty years ago)

they should raid the place to make sure mr. kim pays his employees minimum wage.

hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 9 June 2005 05:19 (twenty years ago)

word.

Eisbär (llamasfur), Thursday, 9 June 2005 05:21 (twenty years ago)

That's why they get for being such smug pricks.

The Brainwasher (Twilight), Thursday, 9 June 2005 05:23 (twenty years ago)

That's what they get*

The Brainwasher (Twilight), Thursday, 9 June 2005 05:24 (twenty years ago)

I don't understand... why would selling/buying mixtapes be an offense?

Gypsy King (Twilight), Thursday, 9 June 2005 05:25 (twenty years ago)

*xpost)Wow you're a dipshit.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 9 June 2005 05:25 (twenty years ago)

dude you'd be SO NICE to people if you were getting screwed, too.

hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 9 June 2005 05:25 (twenty years ago)

xpost THAT IS MOTHERFUCKING SARCASM

hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 9 June 2005 05:26 (twenty years ago)

RIAA agents turn out to be disgruntled former customers

H (Heruy), Thursday, 9 June 2005 05:32 (twenty years ago)

PONY

PONY (hstencil), Thursday, 9 June 2005 05:34 (twenty years ago)

nobody has ever been at all rude to me in any kim's location. y'all are just paranoid.

metal assembly (Jody Beth Rosen), Thursday, 9 June 2005 05:35 (twenty years ago)

i like their weekly deals!

hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 9 June 2005 05:35 (twenty years ago)

*xpost)Wow you're a dipshit.


You're just jealous of my wit.

The Brainwasher (Twilight), Thursday, 9 June 2005 05:37 (twenty years ago)

i mean, seriously, anyone intimidated by a record store employee has issues that go far beyond anything any of us could help with.

IE GET YOURSELF A FUCKING GOOD SHRINK

IE BETTER THAN MINE

hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 9 June 2005 05:38 (twenty years ago)

MY SHRINK FUCKING SUCKS. I HATE THAT BITCH.


...


I have to see her tomorrow.

The Brainwasher (Twilight), Thursday, 9 June 2005 05:38 (twenty years ago)

no, seriously, you're no brainwasher, but dipshit comes close, discriptively.

hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 9 June 2005 05:39 (twenty years ago)

You're also jealous of my wit.

The Brainwasher (Twilight), Thursday, 9 June 2005 05:39 (twenty years ago)

Weirdly, I was just talking to my brother today about a mixtape disc I bought at [an NYC rekkid store I won't name even under oath, so do your worst, coppers!] and he was like, "They sell those in the store?" And I was like, "Yeah, I mean, it's not like the FBI's going to raid them or anything."

That said, mixtapes should really be bought on the sidewalk. Keep it real!

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Thursday, 9 June 2005 05:41 (twenty years ago)

"wit"

hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 9 June 2005 05:45 (twenty years ago)

The only potential upside here is if Mr. Kim appears in a Pepsi ad promoting legal downloading.

C0L1N B... (C0L1N B...), Thursday, 9 June 2005 05:46 (twenty years ago)

You wouldn't steal a CANDY BAR... you wouldn't steal a CAR.... but yet you'll buy the "It's the Motherfuckin' Remix" mixtape and "Piracy Funds Terrorism" from an East Village record store??

On a Strict El Cholo Diet (Bent Over at the Arclight), Thursday, 9 June 2005 06:17 (twenty years ago)

I think this is absolutely horrible. The Kim's people are totally nice. This sucks.

Drew Daniel (Drew Daniel), Thursday, 9 June 2005 06:19 (twenty years ago)

i steal candy bars all the time! take 5 motherfuckers!

j blount (papa la bas), Thursday, 9 June 2005 06:20 (twenty years ago)

The only potential upside here is if Mr. Kim appears in a Pepsi ad promoting legal downloading.

"I fought the law...and the law won"

Cunga (Cunga), Thursday, 9 June 2005 06:30 (twenty years ago)

yo! can someone actually confirm this though?!

Nick Sylvester, Thursday, 9 June 2005 06:42 (twenty years ago)

The Kim's people are totally nice.

yeah, fwiw i used to get way more attitude from the dumbass teenagers who rang up my dinosaur-rock cds at the wiz. every other transaction i've had at kim's has resulted in the clerk saying something like "hey, great record! i didn't know this got reissued!" or "did you know these guys are playing tomorrow night?" or "wasn't this the dude that used to be in _____?" mr. kim may be a prick, but i've never had a bad experience with his employees.

metal assembly (Jody Beth Rosen), Thursday, 9 June 2005 06:56 (twenty years ago)

Is there anything that can quite take Kim's place? It seems kinda strange that one of the most ostensibly important chain of record stores in the largest U.S. city (and one of the largest in the world) as far as selling stuff under the radar, if you will, has such an extraordinarily shady reputation behind it all.

hmmm, I take that back. I guess that isn't so odd, is it?

donut e-goon (donut), Thursday, 9 June 2005 07:48 (twenty years ago)

I don't doubt that the employees or former employees there are great. I'm very very good friends with several ex Kim's employee's, but they all stress the "ex-employee" part whenever the store is mentioned. Fun place to shop.. apparently very unfun to work at, I guess.

donut e-goon (donut), Thursday, 9 June 2005 07:50 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, yay to Mondo Kims, at least the people who work there. One of my fav recshops of the world.

mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 9 June 2005 07:55 (twenty years ago)

an Amoeba in Soho would clearly put Kim's out of commission, future raids or not, however.

donut e-goon (donut), Thursday, 9 June 2005 07:56 (twenty years ago)

i hope it's not true, although that little stand at 14th and 6th has a better mixtape selection

Jams Murphy (ystrickler), Thursday, 9 June 2005 12:26 (twenty years ago)

yeah, fwiw i used to get way more attitude from the dumbass teenagers who rang up my dinosaur-rock cds at the wiz. every other transaction i've had at kim's has resulted in the clerk saying something like "hey, great record! i didn't know this got reissued!" or "did you know these guys are playing tomorrow night?" or "wasn't this the dude that used to be in _____?"

Word. I don't remember one unpleasant conversation with a Kim's/OM/Etherea record store clerk, and I spent a lot of time in those establishments. At worst the cashier would silently take my $ and bag my record, but it never felt personal.

I get much more attitude at Vintage Vinyl in STL.

mike a, Thursday, 9 June 2005 12:29 (twenty years ago)

it's true.

i was in there yesterday—looking at, erm, porno selections. After about three minutes of discrete browsing, my shoulder was tapped, and I nearly jumped out of my skin to see that the tapper was a shorts clad cop. "Had porno become illegal as of 12:30pm?" I thought for a split second…

He told me to leave the store immediately— the clerks on the third floor were lined up, as were their counterparts on the second and ground floors.

veronica moser (veronica moser), Thursday, 9 June 2005 12:38 (twenty years ago)

nobody has ever been at all rude to me in any kim's location. y'all are just paranoid.

totally. there are complaints about other, as well, and i've always been treated well there. bitch all you want about the aggressive record store employee, but the aggressive record dork customer is always gonna be worse.

lauren (laurenp), Thursday, 9 June 2005 12:40 (twenty years ago)

I've had unpleasant encounters with two Kim's employees - one male, one female. The guy eventually got friendlier, though, and anyway, Craig (aka I-Sound) is so easygoing and cool that it all evens out.

Vintage Vinyl in Jersey is clerked exclusively by assholes.

pdf (Phil Freeman), Thursday, 9 June 2005 12:41 (twenty years ago)

(Adult Crash, on the other hand, could get rude if you caught 'em on a bad day.)

mike a, Thursday, 9 June 2005 12:42 (twenty years ago)

Wow- this sucks. Poor Kim's.

o. nate (onate), Thursday, 9 June 2005 12:47 (twenty years ago)

i hope it's not true, although that little stand at 14th and 6th has a better mixtape selection

I have never EVER been able to get anyone to sell me anything at that kiosk, and gave up all hope of trying ages ago. NOBODY IS EVER THERE.

Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Thursday, 9 June 2005 13:02 (twenty years ago)

I wonder if this means they're hiring now. I need a job.

pdf (Phil Freeman), Thursday, 9 June 2005 13:14 (twenty years ago)

i guess i'll have to ask my drug dealer for a copy of "Got That Purp" now...

Beta (abeta), Thursday, 9 June 2005 13:38 (twenty years ago)

There's something comical about raiding a Kim's store over piracy, as opposed to employment, which consists of a whole lot of under-the-table sub-minimum wage hiring of illegal Canadian immigrants. It's not a fun place to work uptown, and I seriously doubt it's all that exciting in the center, either. Raid-wise, though: this is shit, particularly if there really were employee arrests.

nabiscothingy (nory), Thursday, 9 June 2005 14:05 (twenty years ago)

NB I seriously doubt this was about mixtapes! They've got pirate copies of a lot of DVD stuff, which is surely a bigger target. A lot of it is import material that might otherwise be hard to get, or impossible to get in the right format. But now and then I think they do get a little lazy about what gets the copy treatment.

My advice: run uptown and rent bootleg "The High Life" (BBC, 1995) before it goes away forever!

nabiscothingy (nory), Thursday, 9 June 2005 14:10 (twenty years ago)

any idea why particular employees would be arrested, nabisco?

peter smith (plsmith), Thursday, 9 June 2005 14:11 (twenty years ago)

were they just the ones who happened to be working at the time?

peter smith (plsmith), Thursday, 9 June 2005 14:12 (twenty years ago)

Plenty of DVD and VHS bootlegs bought, sold and rented. This is not news, and one of the things Kim's is good for. They used to have a heads-up for this sort of thing. In the nine months I worked there I never saw or heard a peep of fed activity, as my time was spent fending off thieves who tried selling boosted DVD box sets from the Wiz.

mosurock (mosurock), Thursday, 9 June 2005 14:17 (twenty years ago)

"I get much more attitude at Vintage Vinyl in STL."

Really? Those folks were always really friendly to me. (Although I guess I did see 'em be kind of dick-y to some other folks.)

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 9 June 2005 14:19 (twenty years ago)

Now I feel guilty for the copy of "Piracy Funds Terrorism" that I got there - although it does sound better than my downloaded copy.

o. nate (onate), Thursday, 9 June 2005 14:19 (twenty years ago)

For the life of me I don't understand how it's become such a cliche that record store clerks are snobby scenesters with attitude or whatever. I've spent a lot of time in a lot of different record stores, and it's always the same as any other retail experience. I hand them the things I want to buy, they ring up my purchases, I pay, I leave.

Mark (MarkR), Thursday, 9 June 2005 14:20 (twenty years ago)

Kim's stock COIL discs, so they're a-okay with me. They are fuckin' big ass snobs, tho'.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 9 June 2005 14:25 (twenty years ago)

I can't remember the record store clerks at Mondo Kim's ever being snobby or rude, though I have had a few experiences with the video store clerks at the Kim's that used to be on Avenue A. However, they can really only be rude if you try to talk to them. If you don't say anything to them, the most they can do is kind of smirk at you or roll their eyes when they see your selection. But if you try to talk to them, they can kind of ignore you or say something dismissive. I don't really mind it though - I always thought it made renting videos there more of an experience.

o. nate (onate), Thursday, 9 June 2005 14:26 (twenty years ago)

Video store clerks are snobs (anyone who disputes this has never worked at a video store.)

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 9 June 2005 14:28 (twenty years ago)

I agree with Mark about record store clerks though.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 9 June 2005 14:28 (twenty years ago)

o nate OTM. I remember well my run-ins at their Avenue A video store. I remember when the clerk shouted at me that I couldn't find the Lars Van Triers movie because I wasn't looking in the German section.

k/l (Ken L), Thursday, 9 June 2005 14:30 (twenty years ago)

this is funny because von trier er dansker.

blackmail.is.my.life (blackmail.is.my.life), Thursday, 9 June 2005 14:32 (twenty years ago)

Hold on, hold on ... will I still be able to rent bootlegged videos on the third floor?

Suzy Creemcheese (SuzyCreemcheese), Thursday, 9 June 2005 14:36 (twenty years ago)

Du har jo ret.
(xpost)

k/l (Ken L), Thursday, 9 June 2005 14:38 (twenty years ago)

I don't know anything about this particular store, but from reading cybercrime.gov and doj.gov press releases, I do know that certain sidewalk mixtape venders and mixtape selling stores have actually been raided... judging from my last visit to NYC though, I'd imagine the chances are about one in a million

Mickey (modestmickey), Thursday, 9 June 2005 14:54 (twenty years ago)

I USED to speak Danish ...

Suzy Creemcheese (SuzyCreemcheese), Thursday, 9 June 2005 14:55 (twenty years ago)

I wonder if Generation Records will be throwing their bootlegs out by the truckload after word gets around.

Brother Builder (Unfortunate Prankster), Thursday, 9 June 2005 15:02 (twenty years ago)

For the life of me I don't understand how it's become such a cliche that record store clerks are snobby scenesters with attitude or whatever.

I think it's because people see the hairdo's and the attitude and think, "hey, this person is cool like me," and then become miffed that the person doesn't want to immediately be their friend in the middle of their boring shift at low-paying job.

Brother Builder (Unfortunate Prankster), Thursday, 9 June 2005 15:04 (twenty years ago)

hvis i har lyst, saa maatte vi gerne: jeg havde aldrig hafte problemer med Mondo Kim's paa St. Mark's, men jeg maa nok sige, at de er ikke billigt i forhold til Philadelphia butikker.

the thing about arresting the clerks is simple and bizarre: there are a number of blue law statutes (and that type of thing) that make the clerk/bartender type responsible rather than the business itself. it's one of those things that makes me shake my head about political "scientists" who still by any notion of pluralism - that is, that the little guy doesn't get screwed over most of the time on the bigger guys behalf.

i could've been arrested for renting porn to minors while i was still at the store, and nothing would've happened to the store itself. in fact, in PA i broke "pandering" laws by "recommending" porn titles to customers. heavy civil disobedience!

blackmail.is.my.life (blackmail.is.my.life), Thursday, 9 June 2005 15:06 (twenty years ago)

"Vintage Vinyl in Jersey is clerked exclusively by assholes."

uh, no, not even remotely.

jersey, Thursday, 9 June 2005 15:13 (twenty years ago)

I never considered the possibility that the record clerks consider me an aloof asshole. I don't often make conversation beyond asking where I can find something.

Mark (MarkR), Thursday, 9 June 2005 15:14 (twenty years ago)

xpost to nabisco,
dude, uptown kim's was *sometimes* fun. surely you had fun flirting in the booth while i was made to dust all shelves.
you are so otm about them targeting piracy over illegal employ. this might affect my chances at a part time job there when i return.

carly (carly), Thursday, 9 June 2005 15:24 (twenty years ago)

Who the hell buys mixtapes? LOL!

feminazi (feminazi), Thursday, 9 June 2005 15:26 (twenty years ago)

I mean that's just seriously ghetto.

feminazi (feminazi), Thursday, 9 June 2005 15:26 (twenty years ago)

Who buys tapes and CD at all?! ROFL!

Vestigial Appendages, Esq. (King Kobra), Thursday, 9 June 2005 15:33 (twenty years ago)

back to nick's original q: do we have any real info here? i made a phonecall to no end....any ideas on who was involved or what the deal is?

b b, Thursday, 9 June 2005 16:29 (twenty years ago)

b b, the dude upthread says he was in the store when it happened, so that sounds like confirmation.

Brother Builder (Unfortunate Prankster), Thursday, 9 June 2005 16:31 (twenty years ago)

no, confirmation i have..im looking for details now.

b b, Thursday, 9 June 2005 16:38 (twenty years ago)

They are on death row now.

feminazi (feminazi), Thursday, 9 June 2005 16:44 (twenty years ago)

Who the hell buys mixtapes? LOL!

-- feminazi (feminaz...) (webmail), June 9th, 2005 12:26 PM. (feminazi) (later) (link)

I mean that's just seriously ghetto.

-- feminazi (feminaz...) (webmail), June 9th, 2005 12:26 PM. (feminazi) (later) (link)

I'm not sure what the intent was here.

Cool Hand Luuke (ex machina), Thursday, 9 June 2005 16:50 (twenty years ago)

it was sony. hip hop mixtape meltdown

noizem duke (noize duke), Thursday, 9 June 2005 17:21 (twenty years ago)

Whatever happened to the Italian club DJ who was fined like 30,000 Euro for playing MP3s and downloaded videos in his sets?

Ian Christe (Ian Christe), Thursday, 9 June 2005 17:43 (twenty years ago)

it was sony. hip hop mixtape meltdown

OK, I'll go into detail on another thread, but the irony here is so fucking high, I can't control myself.

donut e-goon (donut), Thursday, 9 June 2005 19:20 (twenty years ago)

(Major labels are unofficially known for taking work from artists who submit demos for free and selling them to DJs in the underground for higher prices, you see. Usually electronic dance stuff, hip hop, etc.)

donut e-goon (donut), Thursday, 9 June 2005 19:21 (twenty years ago)

(I didn't say that, of course.)

donut e-goon (donut), Thursday, 9 June 2005 19:22 (twenty years ago)

Please return to the monitor so we can carry out a retinal scan.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 9 June 2005 19:23 (twenty years ago)

still locked up? thats fucked

noizem duke (noize duke), Thursday, 9 June 2005 19:29 (twenty years ago)

Wait, have they closed Mondo Kim's then?

Once again, Hip Hop fucks things up for everyone. Thanks alot, shitty Hip Hop.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 9 June 2005 19:34 (twenty years ago)

Hmm, yeah, shitty hip hop like "Piracy Funds Terrorism"... WTF were they thinking?

o. nate (onate), Thursday, 9 June 2005 19:35 (twenty years ago)

yeah, it's obviously hip-hop's fault, Alex, not shady business practice nor an overzealous watchdog group.

donut e-goon (donut), Thursday, 9 June 2005 19:35 (twenty years ago)

no one has ever been mean to me at kim's! although i feel like the african dudes taking your bags at the st. mark's store are being exploited. (at least, they were african dudes ca. 1998-2001. one of them was apparently a math student, because i often saw him reading vector calculus textbooks and stuff when i came to get my bad.)

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Thursday, 9 June 2005 19:36 (twenty years ago)

i say i think they are being exploited because they are sort of segregated from the main part of the store and the other employees never talk to them and the managers always seemed sort of rude with them. and i just sort imagine them being paid really poorly on top of all that.

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Thursday, 9 June 2005 19:37 (twenty years ago)

I wonder if the dude in the black glasses in that band got arrested. I know that sounds like I'm making a joke, but I'm actually talking about the bassist for Black Tongue.

Dude of Death, Thursday, 9 June 2005 19:37 (twenty years ago)

when i came to get my bad

self?

donut e-goon (donut), Thursday, 9 June 2005 19:37 (twenty years ago)

yes, my bad self. no, i meant my "bag." as in "papa's got a brand new..."

the one guy who was (a) rather rude and (b) sort of a genius about asian cinema at the smaller kim's died last year or t he year before last.

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Thursday, 9 June 2005 19:38 (twenty years ago)

Self-inflicted gun wound?

Dude of Death, Thursday, 9 June 2005 19:40 (twenty years ago)

Hmm, yeah, shitty hip hop like "Piracy Funds Terrorism"... WTF were they thinking?

-- o. nate (syne_wav...), June 9th, 2005. (later)
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yeah, it's obviously hip-hop's fault, Alex, not shady business practice nor an overzealous watchdog group.

Learn to know when I'm joking.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 9 June 2005 19:41 (twenty years ago)

Gentle request: can we stop the "Kim's employees were rude/nice" chat? This type of chat is universal to almost every record store on the planet. It's also gotten irrelevant to the discussion at this point in this thread. (I don't mind minor digressions. But I stress "minor")

Learn to know when I'm joking.

Learn how to use emoticons or learn to deal with the misinterpretations if you refuse to use emoticons.

donut e-goon (donut), Thursday, 9 June 2005 19:42 (twenty years ago)

enough of us rely on kims for a variety of things, regardless of what we think of the staff...if some shit went down there it's less than good news....has anyone gotten any real info yet?

b b, Thursday, 9 June 2005 19:45 (twenty years ago)

Self-inflicted gun wound?

No. Cancer, I believe.

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Thursday, 9 June 2005 19:45 (twenty years ago)

There's one guy there who bugs the snots out of me. He kinda looks like a supervillian. Thin mustache, sort've long greasy black hair. Sort've a perpetually flushed complexion. He was working behind the counter at the Kim's that was once located on the west end of Bleeker Street (two blocks away from Christoper). I was in there one day, and they were playing something that piqued my curiosity. "Who is this?" I asked. Captain Flush-face looks up, sneers, and says "this is Curved Air." "Oh yeah?" I exclaim, "So this is what they sound like. I know Stewart Copeland was briefly a member." Flushed-face looks up. "No, he wasn't." "Uh...., I'm pretty certain he was." "No, he wasn't. You're mistaken." "Wanna bet?" I ask...pushing my luck. "I'm not interested in discussing this further. Are you going to buy something?" "Not anymore I'm not."

Went home. Checked. Stew Copeland WAS in Curved Air. THAT FUCKER WAS WRONG!

PS: Curved Air fucking SUCK!

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 9 June 2005 19:47 (twenty years ago)

Learn how to use emoticons or learn to deal with the misinterpretations if you refuse to use emoticons.

Emoticons are for pantsless chat room predators.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 9 June 2005 19:54 (twenty years ago)

That bites. Mondo Kim's had more Muslimgauze records when I went in there than I'll ever see again in my lifetime.

Ian Riese-Moraine. Exposing ambitious careerists as charlatans since 1986. (East, Thursday, 9 June 2005 20:02 (twenty years ago)

So, am I to understand it's locked up?

Don't pick on the Kim's peops, they're goddamned superheroes and you should be grateful that this town has something that even approaches 1/4 of an Amoeba. If they close you'll probably not see a store that size again in this town unless it opens in Long Island or something. These peops are up against a lot working that joint, I can vouch having been there circa 95-96.

Brian Turner (btwfmu), Thursday, 9 June 2005 20:09 (twenty years ago)

Don't pick on the Kim's peops, they're goddamned superheroes and you should be grateful that this town has something that even approaches 1/4 of an Amoeba. If they close you'll probably not see a store that size again in this town unless it opens in Long Island or something. These peops are up against a lot working that joint, I can vouch having been there circa 95-96.

I'm totally with you here, Brian, but why would it really take that long a time for another record store or chain thereof to open again in NYC? Is there just an interminable permit/business license wait? Retail real estate is even more astronomical? Because if Border's or Barnes & Nobles in Soho can do well, Amoeba could *kill* there.. (not to try to wish on anything that would hurt Other Music or what have you.).. but since I don't know about the business of creating a retail business in records in NYC - Manhattan, specifically -- I thought I'd ask.

donut e-goon (donut), Thursday, 9 June 2005 20:20 (twenty years ago)

Emoticons are for pantsless chat room predators.

-- Alex in NYC (vassife...), June 9th, 2005.

HahahahaHA! [Shakes head admiringly]

Rickey Wright (Rrrickey), Thursday, 9 June 2005 20:22 (twenty years ago)

"pantsless chat room predators."

On a Strict El Cholo Diet (Bent Over at the Arclight), Thursday, 9 June 2005 20:23 (twenty years ago)

(best thing I've read all day -xpost)

On a Strict El Cholo Diet (Bent Over at the Arclight), Thursday, 9 June 2005 20:24 (twenty years ago)

alex isn't wearing pants!

j blount (papa la bas), Thursday, 9 June 2005 20:27 (twenty years ago)

What about the assless-chap room predators?

o. nate (onate), Thursday, 9 June 2005 20:28 (twenty years ago)

Just found out about this today. Sad news, esp. since Craig W. is a good friend of mine and I like a few of the employees there.

FWIW, the mixtape vendors on 14th & 6th (SW side of the street) are always there. They're the best. Just stand in front of their CD rack and one of them will pop out and help you.

Jay Vee (Manon_70), Thursday, 9 June 2005 20:29 (twenty years ago)

"So, am I to understand it's locked up?"

no no it's the peeps locked up although i heard they are out now. the store was open again last nite!

noizem duke (noize duke), Thursday, 9 June 2005 20:30 (twenty years ago)


Don't pick on the Kim's peops, they're goddamned superheroes and you should be grateful that this town has something that even approaches 1/4 of an Amoeba. If they close you'll probably not see a store that size again in this town unless it opens in Long Island or something. These peops are up against a lot working that joint, I can vouch having been there circa 95-96.

I fail to see the heroism.

Cool Hand Luuke (ex machina), Thursday, 9 June 2005 20:32 (twenty years ago)

Amateurist: for some reason I always imagined the security guys were making more than I was, but that may just have been paranoia.

nabiscothingy, Thursday, 9 June 2005 20:33 (twenty years ago)

;) 8> ?:)

utterly without pants (m0stly clean), Thursday, 9 June 2005 20:41 (twenty years ago)

So wait did Craig I-Sound get locked up?!?!

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 9 June 2005 20:45 (twenty years ago)

Is he the guy who is in To Roccoco Rot?

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 9 June 2005 20:48 (twenty years ago)

He's collaborated with them, yes.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 9 June 2005 20:50 (twenty years ago)

it's possible that the security guys were being paid fairly, but when i visit an establishment and there's a clear divide between a mostly-white mostly-american-born staff and a mostly-not-white, mostly-immigrant staff, i often suppose that the latter staff are getting screwed. i should add that the reason i suspect this in the case of kim's (aside from the reasons mentioned above) is that they always looked pretty unhappy. but maybe security guys are just trained to look surly and unhappy, so that they are effective at their job? i don't know. i shouldn't even speculate on this considering i don't know about kim's' employee policies. although i've heard gripes about them before, on that level.

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Thursday, 9 June 2005 21:03 (twenty years ago)

Yea, I imagine that that's part of the security goon thing. I can't imagine that the white indie clerks make much more money than the security guys and probably think the security guys make more money. How hard is it to find a bunch of corny liberal arts fux to work as record clerks?

Cool Hand Luuke (ex machina), Thursday, 9 June 2005 21:06 (twenty years ago)

that's probably true.

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Thursday, 9 June 2005 21:18 (twenty years ago)

also, if that security guy ever finished his vector calculus book, he's probably working in applied math and making more money than any of us.

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Thursday, 9 June 2005 21:19 (twenty years ago)

to be fair last time i was there half of the "white" indie clerks were actually black or indian-american indie clerks.

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Thursday, 9 June 2005 21:24 (twenty years ago)

I'm surprised it was mixtapes that got them into trouble since all their VHS tapes have been dubs, ever since I can remember. Nice pro-looking case on the rack, and when you open it up it's some Maxell tape with a white decal on it.

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Thursday, 9 June 2005 23:12 (twenty years ago)

...

So when's the police auction?

Ian John50n (orion), Thursday, 9 June 2005 23:14 (twenty years ago)

http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1503863/20050609/50_cent.jhtml?headlines=true

concentric, Thursday, 9 June 2005 23:32 (twenty years ago)

Sorry Ian, did I miss something in this mondo thread?

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Thursday, 9 June 2005 23:33 (twenty years ago)

Aha, I see it now. Nice to know that NYC's finest are essentially an extension of Rocafella Productions.

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Thursday, 9 June 2005 23:35 (twenty years ago)

this thread is one big pirate smokescreen

urban in nature (deangulberry), Thursday, 9 June 2005 23:53 (twenty years ago)

Yo, this SUCKS.
Though it's stating the obvious, fuckin' 50 made his NAME via the mixtape circuit!

Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Friday, 10 June 2005 00:11 (twenty years ago)

Ha. Amateurist, I can't speak for the downtown stores, but uptown I'm guessing the bulk of the exploited illegal immigrants are working behind the counter.

nabiscothingy, Friday, 10 June 2005 00:39 (twenty years ago)

Though it's stating the obvious, fuckin' 50 made his NAME via the mixtape circuit!

If this raid prevents at least one hip hop artist from releasing a record it was worth it.

feminazi (feminazi), Friday, 10 June 2005 00:49 (twenty years ago)

Yo.

feminazi (feminazi), Friday, 10 June 2005 00:49 (twenty years ago)

Um.

jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 10 June 2005 03:01 (twenty years ago)

the mtv story linked upthread is pretty good. the links to the 6 page mixtape history and the dj clue interview are new to me too.

the whole point is that mixtapes are selling because they're better than anything the labels have to sell. these aren't bootlegs, and a really good mix doesn't sound like piracy, it sounds new. five arrested!

milton parker (Jon L), Friday, 10 June 2005 05:05 (twenty years ago)

I just posted this to nyhappenings, where someone claimed it was due to tax evasion:

--- In nyhappenings@yahoogroups.com, Brian Turner wrote:
> Not tax evasion, according to MTV.com:
> -brian
>
> http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1503863/20050609/50_cent.jhtml?headlines=true
>
> New York police, in cooperation with the RIAA, arrested five employees of
> Kim's Video . one of the East Village's most beloved independent video and
> music stores . during a Wednesday afternoon raid that netted 500 pirated
> CD-Rs.

Where is the disconnect that has the employees and not owners getting nabbed? I suppose you could say the buyers are as guilty as Mr. Kim himself, but the underpaid clerks?

> Those arrested were charged with trademark counterfeiting, and police also
> seized 27 music DVDs, nine DVD burners and several store computers. All of
> the CD-Rs and DVDs were described by an RIAA spokesperson as "urban in
> nature" . mixtapes, featuring music by artists such as 50 Cent, Nelly,
> Alicia Keyes and Jay-Z.

Thank god it's urban in nature...I'd hate to see Vini Reilly get any money from the Durutti Column DVD I just bought. And yes, like many of Kim's bootleg DVDs, it's glitchy. I had to return the krautrock DVD and have never had the chance to see the La Dusseldorf video. They're getting what they deserve.

kidding, of course.

The sad truth being bootleg mixtapes are one illegal medium that can be said to introduce people to an artist, and lead to an actual purchase. Go after bootleg copies of the record if you want, but leave the mixtape/CD alone!

dan

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Friday, 10 June 2005 05:16 (twenty years ago)

"urban in nature"

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 10 June 2005 05:22 (twenty years ago)

FUCK 'EM!

i dont know, maybe its four months being in a town with only a wal mart, maybe its realizing that amazing peices of music are being held randsome or ignored, maybe its endless, fucking record companies stealing from artists, maybe its becuase im so sick and fucking tired of not hearing anything new, maybe its because no one thinks that someone cannot like hip hop and chart country and bach and eveything else--but the sheer agreesiveness in destroying the puryveyours of digital media, they wont win--the rabbit is out of the hat.

FUCK EM

anthony easton (anthony), Friday, 10 June 2005 08:46 (twenty years ago)

sheer agreesiveness in destroying the puryveyours of digital media

Analog LOL.

http://hometown.aol.com/heartsinexile/true-cassette-front.jpg

feminazi (feminazi), Friday, 10 June 2005 10:55 (twenty years ago)

From the NY Times:

Police Raid Video Store in East Village in Piracy Case

o. nate (onate), Friday, 10 June 2005 13:03 (twenty years ago)

the mtv story linked upthread is pretty good. the links to the 6 page mixtape history and the dj clue interview are new to me too.

I see the mtv link, but where are the other two?

~C

Whiney G. Weingarten (whineyg), Friday, 10 June 2005 14:36 (twenty years ago)

http://www.brainwashed.com/brain/images/hometaping.jpg

Jon Whitney Houston, Friday, 10 June 2005 14:40 (twenty years ago)

Nice to see (NYT article) that the Kim's staff had the good sense to be rude to M. Doughty. Also interesting to see that the staff's (largely fictional) bad attitude merited three separate mentions in an article that couldn't be bothered to id the stores' owner.

I wonder if this has had a sudden effect on the stock at other nearby stores.

dlp9001, Friday, 10 June 2005 15:22 (twenty years ago)

"Snobbing on" M Doughty is a good place to start.

My video store is TLA; no attitude at all.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Friday, 10 June 2005 15:35 (twenty years ago)

Just dropped by this afternoon. If I hadn't heard of the event, you'd never have known anything had happened from the looks of it.....tho' maybe a few less DVD-R's on the music DVD rack (notably the bootleg cover Wake, the live document of the Sisters of Mecy at the Royal Albert Hall I'd been eyeing for weeks). Biz as usual, more or less, by appearances.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 10 June 2005 16:26 (twenty years ago)

"Also interesting to see that the staff's (largely fictional) bad attitude merited three separate mentions in an article that couldn't be bothered to id the stores' owner."

So so so so otm.

Jesse Dorris (rubber gloves), Friday, 10 June 2005 16:30 (twenty years ago)

What's wrong with M. Doughty?
he's a nice guy.

cdwill, Friday, 10 June 2005 16:52 (twenty years ago)

Mixtapes: The Other Music Industry
http://www.mtv.com/bands/m/mixtape/news_feature_021003/

Mixtapes: Before We Had A Clue
http://www.mtv.com/bands/m/mixtape/news_feature_021003/index7.jhtml

All the links on the right column will give you a sense of the picture, especially in context with their story on the Kim's raid.

milton parker (Jon L), Friday, 10 June 2005 17:14 (twenty years ago)

This is just going to fuel a more furious, more underground mix-tape market/distribution, if the RIAA continues this.. it's just that people who want mix tapes will go to either the lemonade stand operations; and people who want legit releases will go to the legit stores.

There will always be lemonade stands.

donut e-goon (donut), Friday, 10 June 2005 17:28 (twenty years ago)

(except maybe in NYC. Bloomberg may decide that citrus is bad for you.)

donut e-goon (donut), Friday, 10 June 2005 17:29 (twenty years ago)

So wait did Craig I-Sound get locked up?!?!

looks like he was arrested, according to the NYT.

hopefully this will result in a loud, ungainly, terrible noise in weeks to come.

milton parker (Jon L), Friday, 10 June 2005 18:17 (twenty years ago)

!!

strng hlkngtn, Friday, 10 June 2005 18:19 (twenty years ago)

seriously fucking with the wrong people

if they have any clue whatsoever, they'll drop these charges before this becomes a Negativland level debacle

milton parker (Jon L), Friday, 10 June 2005 18:25 (twenty years ago)

http://www.isoundinfo.com/isound.gif

prophetic

Brother Builder (Unfortunate Prankster), Friday, 10 June 2005 18:40 (twenty years ago)

Wasn't there a case recently where the ruling was you can't bust a store for having bootleg material? There is some conflicting shit happening here, legally.

donut e-goon (donut), Friday, 10 June 2005 18:44 (twenty years ago)

Maybe it was because they knew it was the source of the bootleg material, such as when they bust a warehouse in bkln filled with dvd burners and packaging materials.

Brother Builder (Unfortunate Prankster), Friday, 10 June 2005 18:47 (twenty years ago)

I'm pretty sure they're not cranking bootlegs out of the Kim's back office.

Jay Vee (Manon_70), Friday, 10 June 2005 18:52 (twenty years ago)

That guy is Craig I-Sound?! I remember selling some CDs there one time and he refused to take my Of Montreal "Cheery Peel" disc, even though I tried to explain that it was very indie and his customers would love it. But I went and sold it a few doors up the street and got like $5 for it.

o. nate (onate), Friday, 10 June 2005 18:55 (twenty years ago)

So clearly he needed to be arrested for not knowing the market. Er, wait.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 10 June 2005 18:57 (twenty years ago)

[THE TWO BIG CHAINS IN THE AREA WHERE I LIVE] both sell lots of good mixtapes!

the D Double signal (nordicskilla), Friday, 10 June 2005 19:02 (twenty years ago)

Craig is generally disinterested in indie. I actually thought he wasn't going to hire me, because I was from Chicago, about which he had this to say: "Ugh. That's a really indie town." On the plus side, his buying vinyl tended to result in lots of super-cheap rock favorites, like he just couldn't imagine why anyone would pay more than $2 for a mint copy of a VU record.

nabisco (nabisco), Friday, 10 June 2005 19:13 (twenty years ago)

Craig is awesome. I hope everything is good with him.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 10 June 2005 19:15 (twenty years ago)

As I said to my friend that works at Kim's, "It's like being a celebrity." Even if you don't do anything but sell records, you'll be known all over the city, country and world as "that [person] at Kim's."

Brother Builder (Unfortunate Prankster), Friday, 10 June 2005 19:31 (twenty years ago)

BTW, that little anecdote (if it can qualify as an anecdote - maybe an anecdote-fragment) was not intended as any criticism of Craig I-Sound. He was probably right not to buy that CD - it's not really that good anyway.

o. nate (onate), Friday, 10 June 2005 19:33 (twenty years ago)

This'll be interesting: what do you think the chances are that the five arrested, if charged, will point the whole thing squarely at Mr. Kim? Craig and Kim are friendly enough that I've heard tell of their taking a shvitz together, but hell, if that were me? "Mr. Kim made me do it!" I can't imagine there's any way they can make this stick to the clerks, but there are buyers/managers among the arrests, who may have a harder time of it.

Meanwhile, at Other Music...

nabisco (nabisco), Friday, 10 June 2005 19:51 (twenty years ago)

Doesn't Mr. Kim have a posse, so to speak, that might dissuade finger pointing? or am I overestimating his clout in town?

donut e-goon (donut), Friday, 10 June 2005 19:53 (twenty years ago)

Hahaha: I have publicly joked that Mr. Kim has the flair of a Korean mob guy, or maybe a mob guy who used to be a prizefighter / male model. But that is strictly related to his suits and his manner and his jawline, and I know of no particular evidence that the joke contains any particular substance. He definitely seems like a well-connected figure in the Korean community, but there's nothing unusual about that.

nabisco (nabisco), Friday, 10 June 2005 20:24 (twenty years ago)

craig is such a great guy. (and i'm sure the other people are nice too.) this is terrible.

strng hlkngtn, Friday, 10 June 2005 20:26 (twenty years ago)

fuck, i was reading about this in the times today, my friend chuck was arrested.

hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 10 June 2005 20:57 (twenty years ago)

What kind of prison time we talking here, anyway?

A few months or 20 years?

Mr. Serious, Friday, 10 June 2005 21:02 (twenty years ago)

I imagine this is a fine. I'd be shocked if anyone went to jail.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 10 June 2005 21:03 (twenty years ago)

yeah but with a fine on kim's wages, i might rather pick jail. maybe.

this happened to my friend bj who used to work at midnight records about a year ago.

hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 10 June 2005 21:15 (twenty years ago)

Craig is generally disinterested in indie.

Dude went way out of his way (in a nice way) to sell me a Sunroof! CD, though...if that counts.

Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Friday, 10 June 2005 21:24 (twenty years ago)

"cooperation agreement"

something about a tarantula coming out of a coconut (deangulberry), Friday, 10 June 2005 21:47 (twenty years ago)

Got this via a mailing list:

from an employee there:


Subject: Yes, i was arrested and in jail....for working at Kim's All
headers
Dear Loving Friends,
On June 8, 2005, i along w/ 4 other Kim's employees were
arrested during a raid on Kim's. The RIAA hired some pigs
to come and bust the store, the arrest was totatlly
arbitary. They were supoosed to be busting down on
bootlegs, thanks to the media exposure on Star Wars
bootlegs (it happened to be a live 50 cent concert, so if
he was involved in any way FUCK 50 Cent!). They took me
since i am the manager on the 2nd floor. Mr. Kim was no
where to be found.
The store was shut down, employees lined up, a few of us
got cuffed w/out being told we are being arrested and with
out utilzing our miranda rights. We were taken to the
holding cell, where we waited approx 5 hrs before they
fingerprinted us and put us into a chain gang to take us
downtown (despite them telling us they were going to give
us desk passes so we would not have to spend the night in
jail...FUCK THE POLICE!!!). So we went downtown, beforehand they confisicated our cell
phones and thanks to technology, was not able to memorize
anyone's phone numbers. The pigs still have my cell
phone & ipod. So we got put into a pen w/ a bunch of
other dudes. The cells were packed constantly, filled w/
30 or so people at a time, having 10 bull pens down there,
body heat made things harder in the dank cells. Hours later i was separted from the rest of my co-workers
and put into a different cell, separated from the one guy
whom had the name & number to the Kim's lawyer. Those
whom don't know, i have a hard time w/ authority. i spent 30+ hrs in jail for working at Kim's. All the
other employees were released from there cells before me, i
had a panic attack that was prompted by all this stress,
not eating (jail is not really vegan friendly) nor sleeping
the entire time i was in. i got really claustrophobic,
thought everyone was stealing my air (for those who live in
NY, the jail cell was 10x hotter then the 2nd ave. F stop)
my heartrate doubled, i couldn't breath and i started to
crack. i started to waddle back and forth like orphans do
from not being mothered long enough or at all.
My man Jerry Lim, whom is the only numbered i remembered,
for we call each other every day. He worked his ass off
to help me out, big ups for Lim, whne you see him, hug him
and buy him a drink. Calling mutual friends whom have
lawyers and money to help bail me out. The Correction
Officers were very reluctant to help him help me out in any
way. When i bummed a quarter off a fellow inmate, i was at the
point of cracking, mumbling w/ the entire cell yelling and
overall carrying on like it was a party for them. Some
also had arbitrary arrests, like walking through the park
at night or some for more "serious" crimes like selling
weed. i would like to take this moment to give Guiliani &
Bloomberg a big fuck you! i can honestly say i hate these
men. Hours later, at a point i was almost convinced i was going
to spend 72 hrs or more in jail (they can legally hold you
for 72 hrs, but if it falls on the weekend, you stay over
the weekend regardless), i got called, went to my
arrainment and senteced to one day of community service. i was arrested apparently for making and distrobuting
bootleg material (a felony offense aka your going to
Rykers), which is not true, obviously. Charges were
lowered to a misdeamor and i was sentenced to a day of
community service. That was a relief in a since. You
can only imagine how intensely pissede i am at Mr. Kim at
this moment and was ready to quit when i go out. Below is
a clipping from NY Times, which article helped speed up our
arrainment (so i hear). Mr. Kim is supposedly turning
himself in on monday, i have no idea was it going out (that
is how it was the entire time i was locked up, the pigs
liked to keep you in the dark). So, i am sorry i can't call everyone right now, but i
thought this may be best way for mass communication. Needless to say i hate cops even more now and have even
less faith in the united states legal system. Thanks for all your support. Hope to see you all soon.
luv,
chu

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 11 June 2005 18:36 (twenty years ago)

Eek!

Ian Riese-Moraine comes explosive! (Eastern Mantra), Saturday, 11 June 2005 18:46 (twenty years ago)

I can certainly relate to Chu's sentiments. Copyright infringement enforcement is odd... some people end up in jail like that guy, and I've heard plenty of stories of people raided who's houses were terribly smashed up by gun-toting FBI, etc. I really have had it easy, thus far, compared to most people

Mickey (modestmickey), Saturday, 11 June 2005 19:07 (twenty years ago)

I imagine this is a fine. I'd be shocked if anyone went to jail.

-- Alex in SF (clobberthesauru...) (webmail), June 10th, 2005.

Every single employee there can be charged with conspiracy to infringe copyright, which is a felony. About half the people convicted of that charge do in fact get some prison time.

Mickey (modestmickey), Saturday, 11 June 2005 19:08 (twenty years ago)

were there feds involved in the raid? amoeba sf is already turning away people selling mixes this week as a result of this.

heywood jablomi (heywood), Saturday, 11 June 2005 20:43 (twenty years ago)

"Every single employee there can be charged with conspiracy to infringe copyright, which is a felony. About half the people convicted of that charge do in fact get some prison time."

Yes, I realize that. I just don't think they will in this case. But I've been surprised before.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Saturday, 11 June 2005 20:50 (twenty years ago)

haha the irony of this being over 50 cent bootlegs is just delicious

strng hlkngtn, Saturday, 11 June 2005 20:53 (twenty years ago)

"amoeba sf is already turning away people selling mixes this week as a result of this."

Fuck this sucks.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Saturday, 11 June 2005 20:57 (twenty years ago)

I used to think I was being ruded to at Kim's . . . until I realized that the reason they didn't answer me was because I fucking mumble.

I'm really hoping Chris Ryan, who used to do some posting here and writes for Spin among others, wasn't among the 5. (I'm hoping everyone wasn't among the 5, though obviously this is impossible.) This is just horrible. The minute they set up a legal defense fund, I'm contributing. I've bought too many good records there to not do it.

Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Saturday, 11 June 2005 21:37 (twenty years ago)

From that NY Times article:

The employees charged with counterfeiting were identified as Theo Frimpong, 39, of the Bronx; Diana Kinscherf, 19, of Queens; Donald Stahl, 26, and Charles Bettis, 29, both of Brooklyn; and Craig Willingham, 32, of Manhattan.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 11 June 2005 21:49 (twenty years ago)

Chuck Bettis, i.e. "chu" above, is ex-Metamatics, All Scars, Trance and the Arcade among others. He's the second floor manager(took over from Mark from Sightings), note that is where they sell Vinyl and DVDs, no hip-hop boots for what it's worth.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Saturday, 11 June 2005 22:00 (twenty years ago)

Again I ask..

Wasn't there a case where a store was raided for bootlegs, the store sued back, and the store won the suit? (I thought the story was posted here, but I tried searching, but to no avail. I'll ask my other resources.)

That Mr. Kim is "supposedly going to turn himself in" statement is really interesting, which leads me to believe three scenarios:

a) boots of 50 cent or other stuff were being made/manufactured at the store

b) kim's did not make the bootlegs, had the questionable stuff in stock, and were the unlucky target of a raid, and can't deal with the legal costs to fight this, or

c) kim's did not make the bootlegs, had the questionable stuff in stock, and were the unlucky target of a raid, however many other facets of Mr. Kim's manner of operating his stores has already opened a can of worms, so to speak, and he's just giving up.

...

I'm inclined to believe "c" right now.

But that "supposedly" up there must be stressed. Perhaps Kim will legally fight back. I can't imagine why he wouldn't, to be frank, if he's got nothing to lose.. unless that can of worms is a really big can.

Legit large stores across the country are probably going to follow Amoeba's lead, unfortunately... however, this is only going to concentrate the bootleg/mix market to smaller more underground operations, and -- most of all -- the internet.

If the RIAA thought that this was going to help squash the bootleg/mix market, they basically splattered the market into a gazillion other channels that will only get more syncopated and harder for them to crack. They basically did the equivalent of spraying ants on a kitchen table, with the bigger goal of wanting to eventually destroy the ant species. Haha. Just when I thought the RIAA did the stupidest move yet, along comes *thee* stupidest move yet.

donut e-goon (donut), Saturday, 11 June 2005 22:44 (twenty years ago)

i'm so bummed out about chuck. of course, i can't call him to see if he's ok. fucking cops.

hstencil (hstencil), Saturday, 11 June 2005 22:50 (twenty years ago)

like, uh, don't we have a "war on terror" going on? aren't there more important things happening in nyc than bootlegs and lactivists? sheesh.

hstencil (hstencil), Saturday, 11 June 2005 22:51 (twenty years ago)

obviously, bootleggers ARE terrorists, stence. And it's obvious the best way to deal with this is the arrest the innocent middlemen who were just looking for a retail job.

I have to leave this thread for a while. MY BLOOD IS BOILING.

donut e-goon (donut), Saturday, 11 June 2005 23:06 (twenty years ago)

We should have arrested the security people at Logan and Dulles airports right after 9/11. That WOULDA SHOWD EM!

donut e-goon (donut), Saturday, 11 June 2005 23:08 (twenty years ago)

Kim turning himself in doesn't necessitate a, b or c. If there's a warrant for his arrest, he's got to turn himself in and then deal with it one way or another.

One of my local CD chains has only just started carrying mixtapes. I thought about warning the clerks at the one I frequent about the raid, but I figure they wouldn't know enough (and tell me 'oh we only sell legal mixtapes,' ha) and they aren't big enough to be on anyone's radar.

milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Saturday, 11 June 2005 23:33 (twenty years ago)

as a completely side note, holy shit, in NYC you guys have record stores with two floors?

I'm so lonely in NC

Mickey (modestmickey), Sunday, 12 June 2005 02:51 (twenty years ago)

re: war on terror

refer to countless DOJ press releases (news, speeches, etc) from Ashcroft that mention that piracy, much like buying drugs, eventually puts money into the hands of terrorists in the middle east (no I'm not joking)

re: kim fighting back legally

I don't understand this? he comitted a crime and the authorities are punishing him as the law states they should - how exactly does he fight this legally?

Mickey (modestmickey), Sunday, 12 June 2005 02:54 (twenty years ago)

http://g.sheetmusicplus.com/Look-Inside/covers/WB-PVM03015.jpg

feminazi (feminazi), Sunday, 12 June 2005 03:15 (twenty years ago)

he comitted a crime and the authorities are punishing him as the law states they should - how exactly does he fight this legally?

So you know he committed a crime? What crime was it then, in this case?

Last I checked, having bootlegs in one's record store is not a crime -- at least according to the previous court case ruling I saw on this.

donut e-goon (donut), Sunday, 12 June 2005 03:45 (twenty years ago)

(also: many record stores have second floors... It doesn't necessarily mean that they are better though.. it just means that the space they occupied required two floors. There are plenty of 2-floor record stores in Seattle (one has three actually), but that doesn't necessarily mean that towns with one-floor record stores are "less happening".. just means they can afford to lease a wider bigger space for 'em.)

donut e-goon (donut), Sunday, 12 June 2005 03:47 (twenty years ago)

air rights, yo

metal assembly (Jody Beth Rosen), Sunday, 12 June 2005 03:49 (twenty years ago)

Last I checked, having bootlegs in one's record store is not a crime -- at least according to the previous court case ruling I saw on this.

I was wondering about the general legality of selling bootlegs. How much burden of proof rests on the seller? If someone comes in with a box of professional-looking CDs - color artwork, copyright info, etc., claiming to be a new independent distributor/label, how am I supposed to know if the music has been cleared?

milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Sunday, 12 June 2005 03:54 (twenty years ago)

i had a panic attack that was prompted by all this stress,
not eating (jail is not really vegan friendly)

haha dude's in jail and all he can think about is whether a cow was inconvenienced during the making of his cheese sandwich?

metal assembly (Jody Beth Rosen), Sunday, 12 June 2005 03:58 (twenty years ago)

during the "prior to," whatever.

metal assembly (Jody Beth Rosen), Sunday, 12 June 2005 03:59 (twenty years ago)

donut, I may actually be wrong... I just looked up the exact law, and here it is.

http://www.ussc.gov/2001guid/2b5_3.htm

§2B5.3.Criminal Infringement of Copyright or Trademark

it doesn't actually have a section that clearly states that selling bootlegs constitutes "criminal infringement of copyright." in fact, "criminal infringement of copyright" isn't defined within the law. one point to counter this though:

(3)If the offense was not committed for commercial advantage or private financial gain, decrease by 2 levels, but the resulting offense level shall be not less than level 8.

there is no denying that mixtapes (and from this thread discussion, I presume numerous other products) are in fact copyright infringing items (as defined in the text). so, by the language of this law, it seems as though it was drafted assuming that the copyright infringement it exists to punish is for the purpose of making money -- ie, selling bootlegs. as for your court case, I haven't heard about that, so I really don't have anything to add, except...

http://www.cybercrime.gov/singh2Sent.htm

here's a case of a dude who (quote): Kishan Singh, 33 of Lanham, Maryland, was sentenced by the Honorable T.S. Ellis, III, United States District Judge in the Eastern District of Virginia, for distributing pirated software over the Internet in violation of federal criminal copyright infringement laws. Kishan Singh previously pled guilty to a single count Information on October 14, 2004, charging him with infringement of a copyright. [...] Kishan Singh operated a pay-for-access website through which he offered pirated copies of business software which had been altered by the removal of copyright protection devices.

this was as recent as january 7th. what difference is there between operating a store that sells copyright infringing items on the internet, or in some two story space in nyc? like kim, this guy didn't crack the software himself or in any other way manufacture the infringing items. he only sold them. the only difference I can imagine is that this dude in the above article got the extra 2 points tacked onto his sentence for uploading infringing items on the internet. score!

also...

http://www.cybercrime.gov/tobolskySent.htm

another guy selling cracked software.

and finally...

http://www.cybercrime.gov/rodriguezArrest.htm

here's one that really resembles the story with kim! DAVID N. KELLEY, the United States Attorney for the Southern District of New York, announced that ALEX RODRIGUEZ was arrested today on federal charges stemming from his alleged sale of, and supplying others with, pirated computer software in Manhattan.

According to a criminal Complaint unsealed today, RODRIGUEZ operated a stand on East 14th Street in Manhattan, from which he sold unauthorized copies of copyrighted computer software. According to the Complaint, in July and August 2004, RODRIGUEZ, operating from this stand, twice sold pirated software to an undercover FBI agent. On one of those occasions, the Complaint alleges, RODRIGUEZ sold an illegal copy of Macromedia Flash MX – a program related to Web site development that normally retails for approximately $499 – to the undercover agent for $30.

in the above 3 cases, their sentences haven't been decided yet, so I can't say that they are headed to prison, although it is likely.

what I can say is this: here's 3 recent cases very similar to kim's. if these guys all got busted (and convicted in a court) then I don't see what hope kim really has other than fleeing the country rather than turning himself in.

Mickey (modestmickey), Sunday, 12 June 2005 04:04 (twenty years ago)

and as far as all the employees there, they can be charged with conspiracy to infringe copyright, which would be sentenced in the same operational manner as the law I pasted above... add points for this, subtract for that, etc.

Mickey (modestmickey), Sunday, 12 June 2005 04:06 (twenty years ago)

Last I checked, having bootlegs in one's record store is not a crime -- at least according to the previous court case ruling I saw on this.

-- donut e-goon (do...), June 12th, 2005 12:45 AM.

from the articles i've read, they confiscated burners in the raid and the charges are that they were not only selling them but making them.

Amon (eman), Sunday, 12 June 2005 04:08 (twenty years ago)

I was wondering about the general legality of selling bootlegs. How much burden of proof rests on the seller? If someone comes in with a box of professional-looking CDs - color artwork, copyright info, etc., claiming to be a new independent distributor/label, how am I supposed to know if the music has been cleared?

That's exactly the criteria used by the defense in that court case I'm referring to where the store won, if I recall it correctly.

haha dude's in jail and all he can think about is whether a cow was inconvenienced during the making of his cheese sandwich?

Not that I've ever been to jail to experience jailfood firsthand, but if you haven't eaten meat in a long time, and you're forced to eat third-rate meat in a JAIL SETTING, the last thing you want to add to your anxieties is indigestion -- especially in that setting, where you probably have to shit in a bucket in front of a bunch of other cellmates. And I don't think the guy was given something as glamorous as a cheese sandwich.

in the above 3 cases, their sentences haven't been decided yet, so I can't say that they are headed to prison, although it is likely.

what I can say is this: here's 3 recent cases very similar to kim's. if these guys all got busted (and convicted in a court) then I don't see what hope kim really has other than fleeing the country rather than turning himself in.

Well, you only stated two cases, and provided a link to a law.. but in those two cases, the entire operation was piracy. A record store is not assumed to be all about piracy (if it's anything more than a tent and a table with CDs at a flea market, that is.). And the corollary you quote above is very vague. And also, reread what Milo said.

donut e-goon (donut), Sunday, 12 June 2005 04:09 (twenty years ago)

from the articles i've read, they confiscated burners in the raid and the charges are that they were not only selling them but making them.

Well, i obviously wanted hiding in Kim's when this happened, so I can't prove what happened and what didn't. But this is the first I heard about actual evidence of piracy happening at the store. If that is the case, then, yeah, Mr. Kim is SOL. (if the five who were arrested don't get to him first.)

donut e-goon (donut), Sunday, 12 June 2005 04:10 (twenty years ago)

..ahem.. i obviously wasn't... etc etc

donut e-goon (donut), Sunday, 12 June 2005 04:10 (twenty years ago)

yes, what milo said is a valid point, but I still don't see how this is different. I pasted links to 3 cases, tobolsky, rodriguez, and singh. I mean, just look at the one dude on the street.

ok, so maybe all he sold was bootlegs and nothing legit. kim doesn't sell only bootlegs, but other things also. when it comes to the law, what difference does that make?

if I sell cocaine in my grandmother's handwoven fine art cocaine holding bags, am I not still selling cocaine?

Mickey (modestmickey), Sunday, 12 June 2005 04:13 (twenty years ago)

you may not get in trouble if you don't know it's cocaine. What if someone told you it was cornstarch?

donut e-goon (donut), Sunday, 12 June 2005 04:15 (twenty years ago)

At 1:15 p.m. on Wednesday, June 8, patrolmen of the New York Police Department's 9th Precinct executed a search warrant for Mondo Kim's music and video store, located at 6 St. Marks Place. The flagship store for the Kim's Video chain, Mondo Kim's is one of the city's largest independent music retailers. "Five Hundred CD-Rs, Twenty-Seven Music DVDs, Nine DVD burners, and a scanner were among the items seized," reports the Record Industry Association of America (RIAA), who issued a press release on June 9 to applaud the efforts of the NYPD. The well-known back-right corner of Kim's ground floor, normally brimming with hip-hop mix tapes, had been raided completely, the section's shelves conspicuously empty.

Amon (eman), Sunday, 12 June 2005 04:16 (twenty years ago)

and er, just a note. please don't mistake what I'm saying here; I am in no way trying to JUSTIFY how the DOJ enforces criminal copyright infringement (I am certainly not happy with my own experiences here), I'm only explaining what I do know about it.

and er, from following it pretty closely the past year, I'd have to say that kim here is fucked. I can't see how his case would be any different from the countless others... the 3 guys cases I pasted above (and there's more) are exactly the same, just dudes selling warez (be that warez music or software, the law sees no differences) which they didn't have anything to do with the manufacture of.

Mickey (modestmickey), Sunday, 12 June 2005 04:16 (twenty years ago)

Record stores often order most of their stuff from distributors.. some will also offer to sell stuff on consignment from locals who come in. In EITHER case, you never know if the item is legit or not. That's not the store's responsibility to find out. How the hell do they have the time and resources to check for this?

But anyway, back to the topic, I haven't been following the Kim situation closely, but if there was active pirating happening on store premises, then again -- Kim is indeed SOL.

donut e-goon (donut), Sunday, 12 June 2005 04:18 (twenty years ago)

what is bizarre to mean is that this particular sting was conducted on a local level, by the NYPD, rather than with the federal DOJ. what the hell? as far as I know, this is the first time this has happened.

whether it's NYPD or DOJ, the real man behind the curtain is the RIAA and MPAA. what's strange is who they're working with now. I wonder what the politics behind this change is... is gonzalez not as friendly to spending so many resources on copyright infringement? I doubt that's the case, but wouldn't it be nice!

Mickey (modestmickey), Sunday, 12 June 2005 04:19 (twenty years ago)

donut, I do realize that a store may accidentally sell bootlegs unknowingly. but judging from peoples stories of the store in this thread, do you really think it's remotely possible that a judge would believe that's the case with kim? c'mon.

Mickey (modestmickey), Sunday, 12 June 2005 04:21 (twenty years ago)

donut, I do realize that a store may accidentally sell bootlegs unknowingly. but judging from peoples stories of the store in this thread, do you really think it's remotely possible that a judge would believe that's the case with kim? c'mon.

Hey, we're given news articles. What else are we supposed to assume about Kim's? I was trying to be objective here.. but, hell, I'll stop being objective now, cuz I'm guessing (and I stress the word "guessing") that this sting was triggered by some secret whistleblower who used to work at Kim's, and it was the camelback-breaking straw, so to speak. I can't begin to tell you how many disgruntled ex-Kim's employees I know.. and I live on the opposite coast! So, of course, I would trust Mr. Kim as much as I would trust some meth kids on Broadway to use any money I theoretically gave them to "donate to charity." But, in a court of law, I'm not the judge. Someone who doesn't know Mr. Kim would be.

donut e-goon (donut), Sunday, 12 June 2005 04:25 (twenty years ago)

(not that I know Mr. Kim, but I'm two degrees away from the man in more ways than i can count.)

donut e-goon (donut), Sunday, 12 June 2005 04:26 (twenty years ago)

Subject: Yes, i was arrested and in jail....for working at Kim's All
headers
Dear Loving Friends,
On June 8, 2005, i along w/ 4 other Kim's employees were
arrested during a raid on Kim's. The RIAA hired some pigs
to come and bust the store, the arrest was totatlly
arbitary. They were supoosed to be busting down on
bootlegs, thanks to the media exposure on Star Wars
bootlegs (it happened to be a live 50 cent concert, so if
he was involved in any way FUCK 50 Cent!). They took me
since i am the manager

*snip*

Hope to see you all soon.
luv,

I like Kim's. Really, I do. They get DVDs a week before everyone else does and has a fine used section. That said, the grammatical errors in this e-mail do little to enddear me to their staff, whom [sic] regardless of innocence or guilt, ARE dicks.

Jimmy Mod Is Great At Getting Us Into Trouble (ModJ), Sunday, 12 June 2005 04:29 (twenty years ago)

Have, rather (pot. kettle. black.)

Jimmy Mod Is Great At Getting Us Into Trouble (ModJ), Sunday, 12 June 2005 04:30 (twenty years ago)

enddear

pass the mustard, dear.

donut e-goon (donut), Sunday, 12 June 2005 04:31 (twenty years ago)

(Yeah, I've been drinking)

Jimmy Mod Is Great At Getting Us Into Trouble (ModJ), Sunday, 12 June 2005 04:38 (twenty years ago)

the moral of the story:

if you're getting busted for warez, try to get the FBI to do it instead of the NYPD. the FBI are generally pretty nice about it and all, considering, but the NYPD put you in jail for a few days.

Mickey (modestmickey), Sunday, 12 June 2005 04:44 (twenty years ago)

http://www.treasuresntoys.com/notes_gi_joe_logo.jpg

Jimmy Mod Is Great At Getting Us Into Trouble (ModJ), Sunday, 12 June 2005 04:46 (twenty years ago)

xxpost - so maybe the kim's employee had been drinking too, he just got out of jail for fucks sake

Amon (eman), Sunday, 12 June 2005 04:48 (twenty years ago)

yeah, that's really classy, bag on my friend some more please jody and jimmy.

hstencil (hstencil), Sunday, 12 June 2005 08:37 (twenty years ago)

Kelefa Sanneh on the grey area of mixtapes and the Kim's raid

o. nate (onate), Thursday, 16 June 2005 12:41 (twenty years ago)

Apparently all the charges have been dropped.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 16 June 2005 14:16 (twenty years ago)

"After the Kim's raid, perhaps more retailers will follow the lead of one hip-hop shop (which shall remain nameless), where mixtapes are on display but not, strictly speaking, on sale. To get one, you have to buy a CD holder, priced at $7.99 but worth a small fraction of that; with every purchase, you get a "free" mixtape."

That's great/

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 16 June 2005 14:22 (twenty years ago)

the charges have not been dropped, according to a message on the wbar listserv from pitchfork's ace reporter a. phillips. the DA's office said "they're going through with the charges and are having an arraignment next week."

W i l l (common_person), Thursday, 16 June 2005 14:52 (twenty years ago)

I wouldn't expect to hear much about this any time soon... I was raided over a year ago and I'm still waiting to find out what my fate will be. I haven't actually done any math, but the average wait in copyright infringement cases to me seems to be around a year and a half

Mickey (modestmickey), Thursday, 16 June 2005 15:22 (twenty years ago)

Craig gave me the You are the Quarry promo. Nicest guy ever.

Mary (Mary), Thursday, 16 June 2005 20:45 (twenty years ago)

fwiw, by the guy who started this thread:

http://villagevoice.com/music/0525,sylvester,65083,22.html

xhuxk, Thursday, 16 June 2005 20:56 (twenty years ago)

fuckin' a, how come the distributors never seem to get in trouble?

hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 16 June 2005 21:02 (twenty years ago)

I'd been thinking, too: so when are the Feds going to bust the F****n S****t M**l?

Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Thursday, 16 June 2005 23:22 (twenty years ago)

any day now, sure. just like they'll clean up canal street.

hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 16 June 2005 23:31 (twenty years ago)

yes, my point exactly. "the clerks at that shop--they're pushovers."

given what Sanneh says about Atlantic, TVT, Tommy Boy, and Interscope's sending contributions for Faison's funeral fund, I wonder--if Sony's behind the Kim's bust, does that mean there'll be some kind of inter-record label beef now?

Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Thursday, 16 June 2005 23:34 (twenty years ago)

i know it's real knee-jerk and all but goddamn this is just another reason why i hate motherfucking major labels.

hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 16 June 2005 23:40 (twenty years ago)

four months pass...
ANy updates here? I realize the upshot of copyright related raids is a long time, but is Kim' just back to business as usual at this point?

I've been a bit unnerved at this whole situation since, and -- despite my better judgement in shoving it off in the wake of Katrina and other more important things to think about -- I'm curious if this is just going to be forgotten or not.

any day now, sure. just like they'll clean up canal street.

Eerily prophetic.

iDonut B4 x86 (donut), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 17:57 (twenty years ago)

..especially in light of Fiddy's recent comments about Katrina being an act of God, dissing Kanye for the anti-Bush comments, and his indirect role in the Kim's raids.

iDonut B4 x86 (donut), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 17:59 (twenty years ago)

Really? Do you have a link for those?

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 18:03 (twenty years ago)

It's over on ILE.. I'll link to the thread.

iDonut B4 x86 (donut), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 18:06 (twenty years ago)

OK, Bad grammar on my part.. I'm talking about 50 Cent's "indirect" role in the Kim's raids.. not Kanye.

iDonut B4 x86 (donut), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 18:07 (twenty years ago)

http://contactmusic.com/new/xmlfeed.nsf/mndwebpages/50%20cent%20slams%20kanyes%20bush%20is%20racist%20comment

Granted, it's just one source. I never heard of Contact Music before. Maybe this is bullshit. *shrug*

iDonut B4 x86 (donut), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 18:09 (twenty years ago)

Youngman Kim is a total scumbag.

shookout (shookout), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 18:11 (twenty years ago)

Oh I see it now. It's up on Yahoo! News

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 18:41 (twenty years ago)

three years pass...

so I know the rental vid collection is moving, but is the St Marks retail biz just closing up rather than relocating?

Dr Morbius, Monday, 10 November 2008 17:17 (seventeen years ago)

they closed the Uptown one

gabbneb, Monday, 10 November 2008 17:44 (seventeen years ago)

the way I understand it, the whole rental collection is being sold. the rest of the store (vinyl, CDs, DVDs for sale) is moving to 1st Ave

http://racked.com/archives/2008/10/14/discontinued_is_st_marks_place_losing_mondo_kims.php

dmr, Monday, 10 November 2008 17:54 (seventeen years ago)

:(

SNAKES! (ice crӕm), Monday, 10 November 2008 17:55 (seventeen years ago)

oh wait not sold, they're trying to find someone to "adopt" the vid collection and still keep it available (?? seems unlikely)

dmr, Monday, 10 November 2008 17:55 (seventeen years ago)

tho u know if i had to choose one im def picking the internet

SNAKES! (ice crӕm), Monday, 10 November 2008 17:56 (seventeen years ago)

yeah, and they want it to be kept as a whole, single collection, which is scaring peopole away.

mizzell, Monday, 10 November 2008 17:57 (seventeen years ago)

I rented there for the first time in months last week, and the clerk said they had a buyer for the video-rental collection and it wd be moving to somewhere in the EV.

Dr Morbius, Monday, 10 November 2008 18:23 (seventeen years ago)

How long before there are no video stores and it's all Netflix and On Demand?

Alex in SF, Monday, 10 November 2008 18:26 (seventeen years ago)

7 years

SNAKES! (ice crӕm), Monday, 10 November 2008 18:26 (seventeen years ago)

Yeah I'm thinking it might even be less. Esp. the way streaming video has improved lately.

Alex in SF, Monday, 10 November 2008 18:28 (seventeen years ago)

the tubes have to be sorted def but the biggie is the battle for who will deliver the content

SNAKES! (ice crӕm), Monday, 10 November 2008 18:32 (seventeen years ago)

I rented there for the first time in months last week, and the clerk said they had a buyer for the video-rental collection and it wd be moving to somewhere in the EV.

huh! well that's good. you obviously have got the more recent update, all I had heard was from a couple of blog posts

dmr, Monday, 10 November 2008 18:37 (seventeen years ago)

I don't think I ever got a genuine, branded VHS tape from Kim's in all my years of renting there.

Tracer Hand, Monday, 10 November 2008 18:44 (seventeen years ago)

Argh I have already said this upthread :(

Tracer Hand, Monday, 10 November 2008 18:45 (seventeen years ago)

I noticed the sign on the 1st ave location just this past saturday. Was confused. Didn't notice if it's open or anything.

dan selzer, Monday, 10 November 2008 19:16 (seventeen years ago)

1st ave is open, and has been since at least last week.. it's a weird space. Selection looked weak, but they're still moving things from the St. Mark's location I think.

ian, Monday, 10 November 2008 20:39 (seventeen years ago)

but i just bought my girlfriend a bunch of kim money!

poortheatre, Monday, 10 November 2008 22:50 (seventeen years ago)

http://www.nomad4ever.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/09/money_changer_bali_seminyak.jpg

ian, Monday, 10 November 2008 22:51 (seventeen years ago)

KIM

poortheatre, Monday, 10 November 2008 22:54 (seventeen years ago)

NO CHEAT
NO TRICK

Uncle Shavedlongcock (max), Monday, 10 November 2008 22:55 (seventeen years ago)

Well it wasn't long ago that everyone was complainin and moanin about the death of the typewriter store, but we seem to get by just fine ordering our typewriters on the internet.

Albert Jeans (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 11 November 2008 01:21 (seventeen years ago)

There will be specialty video stores for the foreseeable future.

Dr Morbius, Tuesday, 11 November 2008 21:01 (seventeen years ago)

maybe in YOUR foreseeable future; some of us have fifty, sixty years ahead of us!

;) ;) xoxoxoxo ;) ;)

ian, Tuesday, 11 November 2008 21:51 (seventeen years ago)

Kim Money only buys Kimya Dawson CRAP

LUTE JOINTS (Catsupppppppppppppp dude 茄蕃), Tuesday, 11 November 2008 22:29 (seventeen years ago)

last time i was in the st. marks store (a few months ago) it was dispiriting. the used music selection seemed understocked (presumably they're buying a lot less stuff these days) and it all just felt kinda dead.

tipsy mothra, Tuesday, 11 November 2008 23:00 (seventeen years ago)

three months pass...

new Kim's on 1st Ave kinda sucks imo. looks ok for DVDs but barely any vinyl

also it looks like Etherea (former Adult Crash) on Ave A is closing at the end of the month. everything's on sale. the guy behind the counter said the owner is pulling out and he (guy behind counter) is trying to find backers to go partners with and keep the place for himself .... but doesn't have very long to make it happen. didn't seem too likely to work out but maybe I'll be surprised

dmr, Tuesday, 24 February 2009 23:44 (seventeen years ago)

On the Etherea blog it looks like they're only open by appointment now. Are they really still open generally until the end of the month? I'd like to check out the sales...

jonathan - stl, Tuesday, 24 February 2009 23:54 (seventeen years ago)

I was there last Monday and they were open. I thought I overheard the guy saying he had two or three weeks to get something together

dmr, Wednesday, 25 February 2009 00:27 (seventeen years ago)

but I can't say 100% yes they're open

dmr, Wednesday, 25 February 2009 00:28 (seventeen years ago)

three years pass...

http://www.villagevoice.com/2012-09-12/film/kims-%20video-Sicily/

am0n, Thursday, 13 September 2012 14:17 (thirteen years ago)

What a fascinating article. It's almost like a Roberto Bolaño novel or something!

Walter Galt, Thursday, 13 September 2012 14:35 (thirteen years ago)

yeah pretty interesting. best thing I've read in the Voice in ages.

dmr, Thursday, 13 September 2012 15:10 (thirteen years ago)

pretty sweet gig for that one guy digitizing everything tho.

one dis leads to another (ian), Thursday, 13 September 2012 15:19 (thirteen years ago)

all three posts ^^^ are otm

heated debate over derpy hooves (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 13 September 2012 15:20 (thirteen years ago)

just nuts.

I didn't get a Mondo Kim's membership til about 3 months before the end cuz I figured I had FOREVER to watch all their shit. Also p sure I got a snarky rental comment from the pre-"famous" Alex Ross Perry, true to the store rep.

kizz my hairy irish azz (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 13 September 2012 15:21 (thirteen years ago)

i still want to see mr. kim's film.

one dis leads to another (ian), Thursday, 13 September 2012 15:23 (thirteen years ago)

I want to see "his" 55,000 films that he shipped off to FUCKING SICILY.

kizz my hairy irish azz (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 13 September 2012 15:33 (thirteen years ago)

get a karagarga invite

am0n, Thursday, 13 September 2012 15:42 (thirteen years ago)

i can understand that the vacation flight was already booked but when she finally got into the collection and met the man digitizing it i wish she'd been like, fuck that flight, i've finally got a source and i'm going to have more than a 2-minute conversation with him about it

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 13 September 2012 15:52 (thirteen years ago)

yeah kinda. or like, have someone with you who knows English and Italian so you can speak more than five words to each other.

dmr, Thursday, 13 September 2012 16:19 (thirteen years ago)

don't know how the boyfriend would have felt about sharing a room with a translator though

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 13 September 2012 16:22 (thirteen years ago)

well, it's Karina Longworth.

kizz my hairy irish azz (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 13 September 2012 16:23 (thirteen years ago)

that doesn't mean anything to me morbs. is she famous for writing stories off the back of her vacations?

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 13 September 2012 16:30 (thirteen years ago)

no, but it's a testament to the pull of the Kim's story that even she couldn't screw it up.

kizz my hairy irish azz (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 13 September 2012 16:57 (thirteen years ago)

I really like her writing.

Walter Galt, Thursday, 13 September 2012 17:30 (thirteen years ago)

lol this article

puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Thursday, 13 September 2012 17:36 (thirteen years ago)

v enjoyable

puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Thursday, 13 September 2012 17:36 (thirteen years ago)

i agree! it's an a amazing story and i'd tell my friends about it if it were me, it's just too bad the vacation logistics ended up trumping the payoff

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 13 September 2012 17:41 (thirteen years ago)

I think the plot of Expendables 3 should be a commando raid to bring the collection back to Gotham.

kizz my hairy irish azz (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 25 September 2012 13:49 (thirteen years ago)

that actually sounds like the plot of a donald westlake novel, complete with high-speed chase through the streets of new york at the climax.

one dis leads to another (ian), Tuesday, 25 September 2012 15:49 (thirteen years ago)


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