common: "i like to have sex with white chicks, i just dont like to date them"

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nicked this from okayplayer.com, its from some magazine called touch apparently.

This is a lyric from the track heat – ‘state senators, life twirls, most sell out, like a dread with a white girl’. Explain please.
Rastafarianism is a black culture. When you see dreadlocked dudes with white girls that’s like they going against what the dreadlocks purpose was. The dreadlocks was a symbol of black love and the black people getting to a certain level. In America weve got a lot of dreadlocked dudes and all you see them with is white girls. I don’t think theres anything the matter with somebody loving somebody from another race but its almost a stereotype that if you’ve got dreadlocks you go out with a white girl.i just feel like, as black men, we do have to be aware that, yo, every time we step out with some woman its setting an example for our daughters and its also representing something for our mothers. If you cant really love your own, how can you really love others?
So you don’t agree with mixed relationships?
I don’t disagree with them. Its just that ive been around blak girls who say ‘I only date white men’. Ive been around black dudes who I see only be with white girls. Is that a lack of self love? To say ‘I only deal with these type of people’ has gotta be a problem.
Have you ever dated outside your race?
Nah, not dated (giggles).
Have you slept with anybody outside your race?
Yeah I definitely have.
So sleeping with someone outside your race is ok but dating isn’t?
People got their choice. Im not telling them how to live their lives. I just tell them what I think about and what I feel about certain situations. Dealing with having sex with a white girl is something I have encountered and im not acting like white girls and other races are not people. We all people: children of god. But our race has been damaged. Sometimes to get back up to the level of respect and love, you’ve gotta stick with your own for a minute and build a certain amount of strength and community within yours so that other people can respect and honour traditions.
How do you feel about a black person dating a mixed person of black and white parentage?
Ah man, if you’ve got one black parent and one white parent, then the majority of the time, youre considered black. People don’t look at tiger woods and see hes mixed. They say hes a black golfer, even if he something else. Look I aint here to judge other peoples relationships. Im more about ‘hey black people I see you out there talking about how you a Rastafarian, but you only wanna date white women.”

― istealfromothersites, Thursday, 9 June 2005 12:56 (nineteen years ago)

― feminazi (feminazi), Thursday, 9 June 2005 12:58 (nineteen years ago)

Common an ignorant asshole? You don't say!

― pdf (Phil Freeman), Thursday, 9 June 2005 13:03 (nineteen years ago)

(giggles)

― Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 9 June 2005 13:07 (nineteen years ago)

I like to listen to Common, I just don't like to pay attention to the rubbish lyrics.

― Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Thursday, 9 June 2005 13:08 (nineteen years ago)

He's picking up on something real (in the white mind, dreadlocks=reggae=/=rap=safer), he's just being a mumbling idiot about it. He's got a shadow of a point there.

― joseph cotten (joseph cotten), Thursday, 9 June 2005 13:11 (nineteen years ago)

What do you think he's saying?

― A Viking of Some Note (Andrew Thames), Thursday, 9 June 2005 13:14 (nineteen years ago)

His new album is better than I expected.

― Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 9 June 2005 13:15 (nineteen years ago)

I like to have sex with chicks, I just don't like to date them.

― Jetlag Willy (noodle vague), Thursday, 9 June 2005 13:20 (nineteen years ago)

I like to date white chicks with dreadlocks, but I don't I like to have sex with them (cus they smell bad)

― Super Cub (Debito), Thursday, 9 June 2005 13:22 (nineteen years ago)

i've felt this way for a long time...

― harshaw (jube), Thursday, 9 June 2005 13:23 (nineteen years ago)

somebody alert Bill O'Reilly!

― Mickey (modestmickey), Thursday, 9 June 2005 13:23 (nineteen years ago)

and Asian chicks with ponytails make me want to barf.

― Super Cub (Debito), Thursday, 9 June 2005 13:24 (nineteen years ago)

I think the title of this thread kind of mis-quotes him, doesn't it? He never actually said those words. All he said was that when the interviewer asked him if he'd ever dated a white woman he said no, and when he asked him if he'd ever slept with one, he admitted he had. The way the thread title mangles that makes it sound like he makes a regular practice of it.

― o. nate (onate), Thursday, 9 June 2005 13:28 (nineteen years ago)

Bob, Bob, Bob... when ya gonna learn?

http://www.reggae.com/regtour/Bob_Cindy.jpg

― Super Cub (Debito), Thursday, 9 June 2005 13:30 (nineteen years ago)

his new album is as lame as I expected

― Space Is the Place (Space Is the Place), Thursday, 9 June 2005 13:31 (nineteen years ago)

THe new single is okay, the rest of the album didn't really get me all excited. It's kinda bland.

― nathalie's post modern sleaze fest (stevie nixed), Thursday, 9 June 2005 13:33 (nineteen years ago)

i dont get this guy's persistence. he's got weak flow and lame rhymes, and not even kanye's production can spruce that up. his verse on "get 'em high" almost brought down that whole track.

― PeopleFunnyBoy (PeopleFunnyBoy), Thursday, 9 June 2005 14:04 (nineteen years ago)

Some of the beats are nice (that upright bassline on the first track, whew), and he sounds way better than he did on the last album.

Anyway, I'll stop defending it, one of my friends convinced me to get the album and it's less boring that I expected.

― Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 9 June 2005 14:13 (nineteen years ago)

Dealing with having sex with a white girl is something I have encountered

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 9 June 2005 14:31 (nineteen years ago)

You could switch all the words in that sentence around and it would make as much sense.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 9 June 2005 14:32 (nineteen years ago)

Dealing with C on T's is something I have encountered

― Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 9 June 2005 14:32 (nineteen years ago)

Encountering a while girl having sex is something I have dealt with.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 9 June 2005 14:36 (nineteen years ago)

Dismounting a Fly Girl while having sex is something I have dealt with.

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 9 June 2005 14:39 (nineteen years ago)

(Here's hoping this leads to a bunch of spurious Common/J.Lo rumors.)

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 9 June 2005 14:40 (nineteen years ago)

'i encountered her white vagina. yes'

― mwawha, Thursday, 9 June 2005 14:43 (nineteen years ago)

Common's new album is EXCELLENT! And he fucks white girls but doesn't date them! We have so much in COMMON hahahaHAWWWW!!!!!

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Thursday, 9 June 2005 14:50 (nineteen years ago)

Musicians of the world, stop smoking so much weed before your interviews!

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Thursday, 9 June 2005 14:51 (nineteen years ago)

"i like to download common tracks, i just dont like to buy them"

― PappaWheelie (PappaWheelie), Thursday, 9 June 2005 15:16 (nineteen years ago)

"i like to download common tracks, i just dont like to buy them"

the best!

common is a moron

and he has only released a handful (of white breasts) of decent tracks

btw his new album blows

― toots, Thursday, 9 June 2005 15:21 (nineteen years ago)

btw his new album blows

Truw, but Orange-Pineapple Juice from Ressurection is incredble/incredbly slept on.

Res-erection.

― PappaWheelie (PappaWheelie), Thursday, 9 June 2005 15:24 (nineteen years ago)

"btw his new album blows"

his new album is a white girl.

― blahbariantheorig, Thursday, 9 June 2005 15:27 (nineteen years ago)

If you cant really love your own, how can you really love others?

Uh, right. I forgot that white people are a different species than black people.

― Vestigial Appendages, Esq. (King Kobra), Thursday, 9 June 2005 15:27 (nineteen years ago)

whats so bad about what he says? hes just saying that he has a loyalty to black women, doesnt DISAGREE with mixed race dating, that he likes to shag white girls, just not do anything more with them, and that he wants to stick by black women. and hes saying that people who dont date people from their own race have some issues and maybe dont like their own race very much (which is arguable though, it might just be preference). but hes being a bit of a cock by saying that he only regards white chix as fuck-holes and nothing more. but thats common, hes never approved of mixed race dating. hes a hypocrite though cos he obv wants to fuck them. if he was that against going outside his race, he wouldnt even do that.

― blahbariantheoriginal, Thursday, 9 June 2005 15:35 (nineteen years ago)

but thats common

haha! This should be the title of his sit-com!

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Thursday, 9 June 2005 15:39 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.anima2.dk/anima2--bands/common/common-ad.jpg

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 9 June 2005 15:42 (nineteen years ago)

If you ask me, people who ONLY date from their own race also have issues.

― Vestigial Appendages, Esq. (King Kobra), Thursday, 9 June 2005 15:47 (nineteen years ago)

why, maybe its just preference. or maybe its cultural, there ARE certain things that you can only get from people of the same race/background.

― blahbariantheoriginal, Thursday, 9 June 2005 15:54 (nineteen years ago)

Moving on...

― Mark (MarkR), Thursday, 9 June 2005 15:59 (nineteen years ago)

yeah "he doesn't approve of mixed-race dating" if that's the case = he is a narrow minded dimwit

― Banana Nutrament (ghostface), Thursday, 9 June 2005 16:28 (nineteen years ago)

'If you ask me, people who ONLY date from their own race also have issues' - right, because everyone is from a cosmopolitan urban area and also has consummate social skills, so there's no excuse not to. Vestigial, please fuck youself.

― morethanhuman, Thursday, 9 June 2005 16:32 (nineteen years ago)

No need for cursing, "morethanhuman." All I'm saying is that anyone who has made up their minds about an entire group of people (AKA making huge blanket statements about their ability/inability to please you emotionally) has a mental block. It seems awfully closeminded to say that you would NEVER date someone outside of your race. What healthy or compelling reason is there to say that with finality? I'm not saying that it's wrong for people to date within their own race, and in fact, there may be very good reasons to-- but to decide beforehand to close yourself to "outside" races seems pretty goddamn shallow. Sorry if you disagree.

― Vestigial Appendages, Esq. (King Kobra), Thursday, 9 June 2005 16:55 (nineteen years ago)

it seems like he's thought this through and has reasons for having this stance other than "i hate white people". you may disagree with both stance and the reasons for it, but that's no reason to call him names.
i'm pretty sure malcolm x felt the same way (not to mention millions of others). do you think he's a narrow minded dimwit? (not rhetorical)

― oops (Oops), Thursday, 9 June 2005 17:00 (nineteen years ago)

Again, I can see why someone can have a compelling reason to date within their own race, but I can't see why someone would say with certainty they would NEVER date outside of it.

― Vestigial Appendages, Esq. (King Kobra), Thursday, 9 June 2005 17:09 (nineteen years ago)

so you can't see why malcolm x would've said with certainty he would never date outside his race?

― oops (Oops), Thursday, 9 June 2005 17:12 (nineteen years ago)

that's funny, i didn't see common use the word NEVER in big capitals back there.

― vahid (vahid), Thursday, 9 June 2005 17:15 (nineteen years ago)

i didn't see the thread title in the interview, either

― vahid (vahid), Thursday, 9 June 2005 17:15 (nineteen years ago)

"malcolm x would've said with certainty he would never date outside his race"

I don't think post-pilgrimage Malcolm X would've endorsed that idea, actually.

― Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 9 June 2005 17:18 (nineteen years ago)

yeah i was wondering that, but who are we to say? point is at one time he most definitely thought that way, had very well-thought out reasons for it, and was not a narrow-minded dimwit.

― oops (Oops), Thursday, 9 June 2005 17:21 (nineteen years ago)

or was he?

― oops (Oops), Thursday, 9 June 2005 17:21 (nineteen years ago)

I think Malcolm X himself would've admitted he was being a narrow-minded dimwit when he was younger, more stridently separatist days - and that goes for more than this particular example.

― Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 9 June 2005 17:22 (nineteen years ago)

wanting to date within his race does not seem like it in no way could fit in with his post-pilgrimage outlook. there needn't be any "white people are devils" thinking behind it.
anyway this is all besides the point, really.

― oops (Oops), Thursday, 9 June 2005 17:25 (nineteen years ago)

speaking as a not-white person, i can see common's pt 100%, as it applies to my own life. so does that make me a racist?

― vahid (vahid), Thursday, 9 June 2005 17:26 (nineteen years ago)

no just un PC. you will not be invited to any parties thrown by urbane young white people. sorry.

― oops (Oops), Thursday, 9 June 2005 17:28 (nineteen years ago)

I know what he's talking about but there's some of the best scratching I've heard in a long while on his single.

― mcd (mcd), Thursday, 9 June 2005 17:29 (nineteen years ago)

I *don't* know... that should say.

― mcd (mcd), Thursday, 9 June 2005 17:30 (nineteen years ago)

Oops, buy a ladder and get over it.

― Leon C. (Ex Leon), Thursday, 9 June 2005 17:32 (nineteen years ago)

do you disagree with what i've said? perhaps you could formulate at least a smidgen of an argument rather than slinging vague putdowns as per usual.

― oops (Oops), Thursday, 9 June 2005 17:39 (nineteen years ago)

You have this hobby horse about being un-pc...it's kind of irrelevant. What does not being invited to "parties thrown by urbane young white people" have to do with the topic?

― Leon C. (Ex Leon), Thursday, 9 June 2005 17:42 (nineteen years ago)

maybe it's because everyone is so obsessed with being inoffensive and PC?
it was a joke. think you can, just for a moment, not be the most negative person on the planet?

― oops (Oops), Thursday, 9 June 2005 17:45 (nineteen years ago)

Yes, bring on another 10 million comments about what a renegade you are.

― Leon C. (Ex Leon), Thursday, 9 June 2005 17:48 (nineteen years ago)

the only one talking about me is you. can one not criticize something they feel is a misguided, far-reaching societal obsession without you thinking they're patting themselves on the back for being a rebel?
so...back to common...

― oops (Oops), Thursday, 9 June 2005 17:53 (nineteen years ago)

Forget renegade comments, am I the only one that thinks Common has really nice taste in various hats, i've seen him in more than one and thought "Damn, that's a nice hat!"

― Don Rowlando (Sam Rowlands), Thursday, 9 June 2005 17:53 (nineteen years ago)

He does have nice hats, that is a good point.

― Leon C. (Ex Leon), Thursday, 9 June 2005 17:53 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.streethop.com/images.php?image=artists/common.jpg

― Leon C. (Ex Leon), Thursday, 9 June 2005 17:58 (nineteen years ago)

Better taste in hats: Common or Mos Def?

http://www.mtv.com/shared/media/news/images/m/Mos_Def/sq-mos-hat-mtv.jpg

― Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 9 June 2005 18:00 (nineteen years ago)

They've kinda got whole different styles. Common leans towards the crazy hippy fuzzy hats, Mos is more of a cowboy hat/beret/hat-genre-ist.

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Thursday, 9 June 2005 18:01 (nineteen years ago)

Now you're onto something! Mos Def favours more wacky hats, whereas Common likes ones that actually would keep your head warm if the weather suddenly turned sour. I would like to see some more pictures of these two wearing hats, please.

― Don Rowlando (Sam Rowlands), Thursday, 9 June 2005 18:03 (nineteen years ago)

It's sort of like Jamiroqaui vs. Indiana Jones.

xpost

― Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 9 June 2005 18:03 (nineteen years ago)

Common's hats - wacky AND functional

Mos Def - style/class trumps hat functionality

― Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 9 June 2005 18:04 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.7daynet.info/mos-def/mos-def-top-2.jpg

― Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 9 June 2005 18:05 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.amnestyusa.org/musicforhumanrights/artists/images/artist_mosdef.jpg

― Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 9 June 2005 18:05 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.layouth.com/images/mosdef.jpg

― Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 9 June 2005 18:06 (nineteen years ago)

Is common one of those guys that wears winter hats in the summer? Hate that.

― jhoshea (scoopsnoodle), Thursday, 9 June 2005 18:06 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.phatmag.com/Mag%20Pages/Pictures/07_10_00/Common.jpg

― Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 9 June 2005 18:07 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.hiphop-elements.com/img/5000/282.jpg

― Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 9 June 2005 18:07 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.thehypemagazine.com/common%201.jpg

― Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 9 June 2005 18:08 (nineteen years ago)

Mos Def looks quite the man about town. Still liking Common more on the hat front though, although when it comes to lyrics, I tip my hat (to keep with the theme) in Mos' direction.

― Don Rowlando (Sam Rowlands), Thursday, 9 June 2005 18:09 (nineteen years ago)

"From time to time, I'll suddenly find that my penis has encountered a melanin-deficient berth."

― On a Strict El Cholo Diet (Bent Over at the Arclight), Thursday, 9 June 2005 18:09 (nineteen years ago)

Although having seen that shower cap a few seconds ago, maybe i spoke too soon.

― Don Rowlando (Sam Rowlands), Thursday, 9 June 2005 18:09 (nineteen years ago)

Is Mos having a chuckle with COLDPLAY up there? Holy God.

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Thursday, 9 June 2005 18:23 (nineteen years ago)

"Hahaha, I can't believe you sold so many crap albums over time! But I get to be Ford Prefect, so screw you English motherfuckers."

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 9 June 2005 18:24 (nineteen years ago)

"an icon, at one point in his life, would have agreed with Common on this question; therefore, the stance is great!"

I think anybody who says he (or she, for that matter) will fuck somebody of this or that race but not have a relationship with him/her is, social icon or no, a total pig. So, yes, oops: the sacred cow you raise was full of shit on this question. No: nothing wrong with having a preference; not saying that, before anybody gets they panties all knotted. Urges are urges! But "Not dated, no" (giggles)? Fuck that shit.

― Banana Nutrament (ghostface), Thursday, 9 June 2005 18:26 (nineteen years ago)

bnotm

― rogermexico (rogermexico), Thursday, 9 June 2005 18:35 (nineteen years ago)

i never said I thought the stance was great, or that malcolm having a similar one gives it validity. i said i thought he had reasons behind it, and that calling him a narrow-minded dimwit is unfair.

― oops (Oops), Thursday, 9 June 2005 18:40 (nineteen years ago)

eh, I agree with BN too. Common's stance doesn't seem particularly well-reasoned to me. It seems convoluted and rather transparently designed to justify his own weird sexual hang-ups.

― Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 9 June 2005 18:42 (nineteen years ago)

Is there any reason why sex must ONLY occur within the context of a relationship for it to be non-assholish on the man's part? OMG did I just write that?

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 9 June 2005 18:42 (nineteen years ago)

no, but having these "political" reasons for which ethnicities you will/will not have a relationship with, have sex with, etc. seems really fucking stupid and counterproductive to me.

― Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 9 June 2005 18:46 (nineteen years ago)

but common isn't you.

― oops (Oops), Thursday, 9 June 2005 18:49 (nineteen years ago)

oops also otm - "dimwit" unfair, "narrow-minded" quite accurate

I haven't given this serious thought, but on the face of it any political position that gives us a license to treat large segments of the population as objects AND TAKE PRIDE IN IT BECAUSE IT PROVES HOW DOWN AND CONSCIOUS AND SOULFUL WE ARE = dud

― rogermexico (rogermexico), Thursday, 9 June 2005 18:49 (nineteen years ago)

Having sex with someone you don't intend to have a relationship with is always treating that person like an object?

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 9 June 2005 18:50 (nineteen years ago)

"but common isn't you."

and thank god for that. If I was I would have to kill myself to atone for the horrible "Compared to What" Coke commercial atrocity.

― Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 9 June 2005 18:52 (nineteen years ago)

i just read it as him not wanting to be your stereotypical rich and famous black man with a white wife. i'm guessing he feels like it would be going against what he's all about. you don't have to agree with that in order to not insult him.

― oops (Oops), Thursday, 9 June 2005 18:53 (nineteen years ago)

white people! so progressive! not hung up on race one bit!

― vahid (vahid), Thursday, 9 June 2005 18:54 (nineteen years ago)

not hung up on sex, either, apparently!

― vahid (vahid), Thursday, 9 June 2005 18:54 (nineteen years ago)

hey vahid, i'm a white man who's not afraid to say that i'm hung up on race and hung up on sex, and the intersection of the two. i have a problem with what common says about white women because it makes me feel threatened and it makes me feel jealous, not for any "progressive" reason. i wish i could hear one black woman say that she only enjoys white men for the sex, then i could move on with my insecurities and just giggle with common when he says stuff like this.

― markgreen, Thursday, 9 June 2005 19:00 (nineteen years ago)

xpost to Dan

When the "someone you don't intend to have a relationship with" isn't in on the joke, then yes, it is. Not saying it doesn't happen, just that we shouldn't get to pat ourselves on the back when we do it.

When all parties are singing from the same hymnal, it is what it is. Totally agree re: sex sans relationship != de facto assholery.

I have no knowledge of Common's private life or dealings, and he may well be a super up-front, stand-up guy with whom everyone always knows what they're getting.

Nah, not dated (giggles) rings a little macho/creepy to my ear.

― rogermexico (rogermexico), Thursday, 9 June 2005 19:02 (nineteen years ago)

Again, I can see why someone can have a compelling reason to date within their own race, but I can't see why someone would say with certainty they would NEVER date outside of it.
-- Vestigial Appendages, Esq. (doctorduc...) (webmail), June 9th, 2005 1:09 PM. (King Kobra) (later) (link)
so you can't see why malcolm x would've said with certainty he would never date outside his race?

-- oops

I really hate when people take shit outta context.

― oops (Oops), Thursday, 9 June 2005 19:02 (nineteen years ago)

vahid, I am an Asian guy and I also have issues. I get where Common is coming from. However I find myself agreeing with the poster who said that Asian girls with ponytails are crazy, in my experience it's true.

― bob n0pe (bobnope), Thursday, 9 June 2005 19:07 (nineteen years ago)

Admittedly, Common is not a dimwit, that's just me getting aggro 'cause I really hate this particular stance Common's copping - Dead Prez has a similar one, only it's "we let white girls suck our dicks but won't sleep with them"

Having sex with someone you don't intend to have a relationship with is always treating that person like an object?

No, Dan (though I think the question as to whether casual sex relationships are emotionally healthy is at the very least one worth asking), but there's something about saying "persons of this race are not good for relationships" that gives me the creeps. Because of American racial power dynamics, it doesn't work 100% for me to try and flip the script here, but wouldn't it strike you as yucky for, say, Clay Aiken to say: "I'll sleep with black girls, I love them and they're God's children, but I wouldn't have a relationship with one." Maybe that wouldn't make you say to yourself: "That Clay Aiken is one asshole cracker bastard," but it would me.

Perhaps I'll seem less strident if I said: I personally wouldn't sleep with a person if I already knew that I would not, under any circumstances, have a relationship with a person of their particular race. I can see how a justification for doing so might not necessarily be racist ("we're obviously the same species, the parts fit and we can have fun, but culturally we'd be too different to take it any futher than that") but even then I'd find it creepy.

― Banana Nutrament (ghostface), Thursday, 9 June 2005 19:08 (nineteen years ago)

vahid, I am an Asian guy and I also have issues. I get where Common is coming from

yeah as if it's not TRANSPARENTLY OBVIOUS the "rasta" in common's first paragraph is obviously a POORLY-VEILED SUBSTITUTE FOR COMMON HIMSELF.

― vahid (vahid), Thursday, 9 June 2005 19:11 (nineteen years ago)

white people! so progressive! not hung up on race one bit!

seriously

― justsaying, Thursday, 9 June 2005 19:12 (nineteen years ago)

but there's something about saying "persons of this race are not good for relationships" that gives me the creeps.

he didn't say that.

so basically y'all are just jealous of the pussy common and dead prez get! (this thread is pretty contentious, so i feel the need to point out that that was a joke)

― oops (Oops), Thursday, 9 June 2005 19:15 (nineteen years ago)

y'know, he never says that dating a white girl is totally out of the question for him.

― Lukas (lukas), Thursday, 9 June 2005 19:17 (nineteen years ago)

he didn't say that.

you don't think he implied that? he: 1) will sleep with white women 2) will not have relationships with them 3) thinks a dread with a white woman in relationship is a "sellout"

seems a fair enough conclusion oops unless you're hellbent on saying "nope! you have to stick to his exact words and not reach any conclusions based on them!"

― Banana Nutrament (ghostface), Thursday, 9 June 2005 19:18 (nineteen years ago)

wouldn't it strike you as yucky for, say, Clay Aiken to say: "I'll sleep with black girls, I love them and they're God's children, but I wouldn't have a relationship with one."

Considering I thought he was gay, it would strike me more as surprising than yucky, first and foremost.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 9 June 2005 19:22 (nineteen years ago)

i just feel like, as black men, we do have to be aware that, yo, every time we step out with some woman its setting an example for our daughters and its also representing something for our mothers.

oh god forbid people don't try to read something more into what he said that they have no real evidence supporting! no we must twist it to put him in the worst possible light. that's what celebrities are for, after all!

― oops (Oops), Thursday, 9 June 2005 19:25 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, this thread title is a pretty significant stretch from what he said -- especially when 80% of the quoted matter up there is him backpedalling and trying to clarify the center of his point. If you want to condense that material into any one thing, it'd be, say, "Common is skeptical of black men who only date white women," which is not in the least an uncommon (ha) viewpoint among your "conscious" rap types (Game and 50 remain in some sort of rhetorical coma) and not always an indefensible viewpoint. There are plenty of black men for whom dating white women has some unhealthy-looking subtext of social aspiration and maybe inherited self-directed racism, and Common's neither the first nor the last guy to have trouble trying to concisely call them out on it.

Which is clearly what he tried to do, only a couple follow-up questions made him realize he'd opened up a trap he didn't quite have the rhetoric ready to claw his way out of. He tied his own tongue up trying to push the same line about neglected black women and intra-black self-loathing that plenty of people have been pushing for a long, long time.

― nabiscothingy, Thursday, 9 June 2005 19:27 (nineteen years ago)

err a million xposts but taking what he said at face value, it's not like he's saying that he wants another Erykah but he'll fuck every Kelly that comes along until then. He also didn't say "I fucked a white girl two hours ago...but I sure as hell wouldn't date her/take her home to my mama." It reads that he wants to date someone who is "like him" and he has a problem with people who play up connections to black people yet exclude them from the dating pool. And it seems he's at least trying not to be hypocritical and say "I've never touched a non-black woman" (What is that giggle about? I can't imagine any one over 12 being "I didn't date her hehe")

(I'm kinda torn on this because I've been in situations where I've been the experiment/behind the scenes girl while/since guys were looking for their parents/friends approved girl -- and that sucked. Just about every time.)

― Candicissima (candicissima), Thursday, 9 June 2005 19:28 (nineteen years ago)

Black chicks are wild in bed, but aren't relationship material. *Giggle*

― dumbest, Thursday, 9 June 2005 19:30 (nineteen years ago)

Yes. We're sexual beasts, but we'll take all your money. Or make you fat with our cooking. Shit. I lost my handbook. I forgot how that's supposed to go.

― Candicissima (candicissima), Thursday, 9 June 2005 19:32 (nineteen years ago)

that's not a comparison that you can make, dumbest, for a lot of different social/historical reasons. but you'll learn about that in a matter of moments.

― markgreen, Thursday, 9 June 2005 19:33 (nineteen years ago)

I just think Common's stance is really poorly thought out, Oops. For example, by his criteria, as noted above Bob Marley (and also Scratch Perry and a host of other rastas) are "sellouts". Then he says "To say ‘I only deal with these type of people’ has gotta be a problem." even though that is exactly what he himself is saying when he implies he won't date white women.

Beyond that, I have a problem with anyone who has "gotta stick with yr own" as a central tenet of their personal philosophy, for a number of reasons.

x-x-x-xpost

― Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 9 June 2005 19:34 (nineteen years ago)

I just sold all my Common CDs, because they were utterly useless.

― Yakuza Ghost Six (nordicskilla), Thursday, 9 June 2005 19:34 (nineteen years ago)

Based on what he says above, Common seems mostly concerned about the superficial appearance of a relationship between a black man and white woman. He's guilty of judging others in that situation, but maybe more importantly, afraid of being judged himself by casual observers who might form opinions (based on stereotypes) about the nature of such a relationship.

He himself says "its almost a stereotype that if you’ve got dreadlocks you go out with a white girl" -- as if this condition by itself, without knowing the people at all, should make us feel uncomfortable. Paradoxically, he prefaces that statement with an anti-racist statement ("I don’t think there's anything the matter with somebody loving somebody from another race"). Funny, then why mention the "dreadlocks --> white girl" thing at all? It's like he wants it both ways; it seems he's saying there IS something wrong with it, but won't come out and say it (beyond the usual sloganeering of "representing").

Obviously, this is just some dumb interview, and sometimes people have a hard time articulating their thoughts in a comprehensible way, so I'm not necessarily saying that the guy's a racist or a dimwit... But on the other hand, I'm having incredible difficulty in seeing anything rational in what he's saying. It seems like a perspective based on a vague sense of fear and paranoia about what might happen to one's "credibility" and "realness" when he deviates from the socially-mandated behavior of a "conscious and self-aware black man." Whatever that means.

― Vestigial Appendages, Esq. (King Kobra), Thursday, 9 June 2005 19:35 (nineteen years ago)

Not to pull a Miccio here, but I think the people who are getting all up in arms about this Common interview being stupid or whatever are saying more about themselves than about him.

― deej.., Thursday, 9 June 2005 19:35 (nineteen years ago)

xpost

Good lord: surely you guys are familiar with this discussion that he's taking part of? This discussion that's like pretty much central in the lives of newly-educated and newly middle-class blacks or many sorts? And surely you can read well enough to see that he at no point said that he won't date people of other races -- just that he hasn't? Half of his wording is based around the "only" -- i.e., let's not make a practice of "aspiring" to white-dating at the expense of our own.

Which is a problematic thing to say, and doesn't effectively take into account the experience and situations of blacks who find themselves in positions where white people are their peers; you can accuse a lot of people of "only" dating white people when it's really just circumstance, not programmatic. But the strawman he's aiming at here isn't in the least an uncommon or unreasonable one; just a strawman.

― nabiscothingy, Thursday, 9 June 2005 19:36 (nineteen years ago)

well I can't say I really care THAT much - if there's one thing about Common that really bugs me it isn't his sexual politics, its that I'm constantly exposed to him via shitty commercials (Coke, the "Common recommends you don't get AIDS" campaign, etc.)

x-post

― Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 9 June 2005 19:38 (nineteen years ago)

Common otm about uncoolness of ONLY dating straw chix0rz

― rogermexico (rogermexico), Thursday, 9 June 2005 19:40 (nineteen years ago)

Nabisco OTM.

I dont see whats wrong with the AIDS campaigns. He wants to do something good, good for him. Its not like he's pulling a Bono or something (note: I dont even like the new album)

― deej.., Thursday, 9 June 2005 19:41 (nineteen years ago)

NED RAGGETT STOP STEALING MY JOKES

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 9 June 2005 19:41 (nineteen years ago)

I wonder what Common's opinion of the DL scene is?

― dumbest, Thursday, 9 June 2005 19:42 (nineteen years ago)

Sorry about that Dan, you sexual beast you.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 9 June 2005 19:42 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah I'm familiar with the discussion, I just think it's full of really weird assumptions! "If you can't love your own, how can you love another" - does having a relationship outside of one's own race necessarily (or even occasionally) mean you "can't love your own"? I'm a big hippie about this question admittedly. I think it's just the "not dated (giggles)" that gets me goin' - it's so "sure, I fuck 'em" quality - it sounds kinda redneck, really, & I do think that the implication ("dealing with having sex with a white woman" and the rest of that really tortured sentence) is pretty icky, and kinda inconsistent with the overall ideology he's advancing - if you're having relationships with people of one race, but your libido's still calling out to parts elsewhere, where does your heart really lie?

― Banana Nutrament (ghostface), Thursday, 9 June 2005 19:43 (nineteen years ago)

between this and the Xity thread I bet Dan totally hates me now

― Banana Nutrament (ghostface), Thursday, 9 June 2005 19:44 (nineteen years ago)

I propose: if a black man wishes to date a white woman, he should be forced to cut off his dreadlocks. If he has no dreadlocks, he will not be allowed to date said white woman - because it's always dreads that date white chicks.

If a black man wishes to engage in casual sex with a white woman, he must agree to giggle about it whenever the topic arises.

― jhoshea (scoopsnoodle), Thursday, 9 June 2005 19:44 (nineteen years ago)

I would have much more sympathy for the argument against what Common is saying if it actually attacked what Common is saying.

BN: I don't hate you! I just think you're a menace to rhetoric. (heh)

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 9 June 2005 19:47 (nineteen years ago)

I could care less about Common, but I feel like the intellectual level of ILX is really slipping when Common says "black men who only date white women = kinda dud" and it gets reinterpreted into "Common won't date white women." This is like tabloid reporting up in here, and the discussion that followed seems weirdly oblivious to the fact that this whole conversation is pretty much daily stuff for a decent number of black people.

xpost -- Banana, it's full of weird assumptions about why black people wind up dating white people; it's easy to call blacks (especially successful ones) who date whites "sell-outs," but the fact is that in most cases (especially for young women), certain kinds of "success" mean having fewer and fewer black people in your social circle (not to mention all the middle-class blacks who grew up around white people their whole lives anyway). But really, what's this stuff about "libido calling out?" All he said is that he's slept with white women and presumably women of various races, but that he's only wound up having relationships with black women. Pretending, like the thread title does, that this is programmatic is as bad as the strawman assumption that he's making, which is that black people who mostly date white are being programmatic about it, instead of maybe sometimes just winding up there through neutral circumstance.

― nabiscothingy, Thursday, 9 June 2005 19:48 (nineteen years ago)

Also, have you ever had to deal with the bullshit that arises from being in (or attempting to be in) an interracial relationship? Because if you have and you're still arguing this viewpoint, you must be white.

(xpost: Nabisco desperately OTM about the intellectual level of ILX)

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 9 June 2005 19:49 (nineteen years ago)

are you equating heart with dick again? he's intimated where his heart lies, and also where his dick lies.

― oops (Oops), Thursday, 9 June 2005 19:49 (nineteen years ago)

The real hot-button issue we should be discussing is: black guys who date white chicks who have dreads. Or for that matter anybody who dates white chicks with dreads. It should be against the law, I tell you.

― dumbest, Thursday, 9 June 2005 19:51 (nineteen years ago)

White girls they're pretty funny. Sometimes they drive me mad.

― rogermexico (rogermexico), Thursday, 9 June 2005 19:53 (nineteen years ago)

intellectual level of ilx has been downhill for some time.

xpost if his dick is just lying somewhere, then that's hardly the point is it?

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Thursday, 9 June 2005 19:56 (nineteen years ago)

Ghost of Dan, is this an unfair restatement of Common's main points here?

1. I, Common, am a little unnerved by how common it is for dreadlocked black dudes to have white girlfriends - to the point of this trope being a stereotype. I don't like it.
1a. If these guys date exclusively white girls, they are sending a bad message to black women young & old, thereby damaging a community that is already at a disadvantage in many ways.
1b. It is my opinion that therefore they shouldn't do this.

2. Mixed relationships are OK by me but I think it's better for black people to love each other.
2a. I personally have not had relationships with women of other races, but that doesn't mean I won't toss 'em the ol' hog every now and then.
2b. However: "To say ‘I only deal with these type of people’ has gotta be a problem."

3. wtf

― Banana Nutrament (ghostface), Thursday, 9 June 2005 19:57 (nineteen years ago)

Banana, revise 2a to "I have slept with women of other races, but have not -- for whatever reason -- wound up seriously dating any." I mean, God: the whole stupid thing about this thread is the assumption that he's saying it's his programmatic decision to do that, when he hasn't said that at all. And it'd doubly ironic because the one major fault of his statement is that exact same assumption -- that some people are being programmatic about dating white women, which is a charge that's iffy to make about total strangers.

I mean, my line: (a) people who date a particular other race in a programmatic way are a bit suspect, but more importantly (see "White Men who Only Date Asian Women" thread); but then also (b) making the assumption that strangers are being programmatic about such things, without concrete evidence, is suspect in a much meaner way.

― nabiscothingy, Thursday, 9 June 2005 20:03 (nineteen years ago)

yeah, you're right. As I say, I think it was the icky "not dated (giggles)" thing that got me - something just skin-crawl inducing about that.

― Banana Nutrament (ghostface), Thursday, 9 June 2005 20:05 (nineteen years ago)

who knows, maybe it was just a sort of nervous tic. it's not the best idea to judge something like that solely from reading a transcript.

― oops (Oops), Thursday, 9 June 2005 20:09 (nineteen years ago)

Ghost of Dan, is this an unfair restatement of Common's main points here?

Yes. (xposted now, but I'm posting anyway)

Common's thesis is that adopting black power signifiers while refusing to date black people is really fucking odd and self-loathing. He doesn't have anything against interracial relationships or hookups (he himself has had interracial hookups) but he thinks that people going into those relationships should do so because they love the other person, not because of self-image baggage.

I know a woman who flat-out told us that she would marry a white man who beat her over a black man who treated her like a goddess because she didn't want her kids to be as dark as her. I don't know if she still feels that way but surely that doesn't strike you as a healthy outlook on interracial dating? This is the type of thing Common is talking about.

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 9 June 2005 20:11 (nineteen years ago)

well its meaning doesn't actually seem that hard to parse: "I've slept with some of 'em!" though as I say, you could probably make the case for some other reading if you were starting from the premise that that couldn't be what he meant

xpost (was replying to oops): fair enough Dan

― Banana Nutrament (ghostface), Thursday, 9 June 2005 20:12 (nineteen years ago)

i'm not going to speak for you banana nutrament, but in my case that skin-crawling feeling is brought upon by jealousy. and there's really nothing more to it. maybe people shouldn't try to enter a supposedly reasonable discussion when when their primary viewpoint is inspired by jealousy, which doesn't like to be explained through reason. which is tough, because i'm drawn to discussions of race and sex, but there's not much i can offer them other than, "i'm a sad white man who apparently feels that political and economic power isn't enough, and i want to be a stereotyped sex god, too." so i'm going to go.

― markgreen, Thursday, 9 June 2005 20:14 (nineteen years ago)

but I'd still argue that a healthiest stance on interracial relationships is "it doesn't really matter what race my partner is," and I know that makes my position fairly anachronistic and hippied-out. And to answer yr earlier question: yes, I'm enjoying the tenth blissful year of an interracial relationship (marriage for the past six or so), and yes, I'm the white partner.

― Banana Nutrament (ghostface), Thursday, 9 June 2005 20:16 (nineteen years ago)

PHEAR MY WIZARD-LIKE PRESUPPOSITION POWERS

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 9 June 2005 20:17 (nineteen years ago)

anyone at all non white in this thread? thought not.

― icecube, Thursday, 9 June 2005 20:18 (nineteen years ago)

you don't get any points for "guessing" her race though Mr Genius haha

xpost haha icecube yeah you're right that white boy Dan Perry, he sure does talk a lot o' shit

― Banana Nutrament (ghostface), Thursday, 9 June 2005 20:19 (nineteen years ago)

Well, I'm sure there's a little white in my family tree somewhere given that we've been in this country since before the end of slavery, but then again so has Ice Cube.

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 9 June 2005 20:21 (nineteen years ago)

White person assuming everyone they're talking to about race is white, c/d?

― deej.., Thursday, 9 June 2005 20:23 (nineteen years ago)

but you're assuming that there *is* meaning there, bn

― oops (Oops), Thursday, 9 June 2005 20:25 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, I don't even want to dignify that drop-in.

― nabiscothingy, Thursday, 9 June 2005 20:26 (nineteen years ago)

Especially with vahid's "Speaking as someone non-white" midway through!

― nabiscothingy, Thursday, 9 June 2005 20:27 (nineteen years ago)

i havent read this whole thing but seriously, the POV's in this topic really do depend on if youre white or not. hope that isnt too contentious.

― blahbariantheoriginal, Thursday, 9 June 2005 20:39 (nineteen years ago)

anyone at all non white in this thread? thought not.

I'm not.

― Vestigial Appendages, Esq. (King Kobra), Thursday, 9 June 2005 20:45 (nineteen years ago)

And so ends the discussion.

― Vestigial Appendages, Esq. (King Kobra), Thursday, 9 June 2005 21:02 (nineteen years ago)

I still think my comments about his hats were the highlight.

― Don Rowlando (Sam Rowlands), Thursday, 9 June 2005 21:21 (nineteen years ago)

70% of black Americans have Caucasian ancestors and tens of millions of white Americans have blacks ancestors. Enough of this "I have pure Aryan blood/black mojo" nonsense. I mean I wouldn't be surprised if some of my grandfathers were brothers, if that makes any sense.

― Cunga (Cunga), Thursday, 9 June 2005 21:26 (nineteen years ago)

Word Cunga, word.

― Norris, Thursday, 9 June 2005 21:29 (nineteen years ago)

anyone at all dated a white chick in this thread? thought not.

― bettyboo (papa la bas), Thursday, 9 June 2005 21:33 (nineteen years ago)

"70% of black Americans have Caucasian ancestors and tens of millions of white Americans have blacks ancestors. Enough of this "I have pure Aryan blood/black mojo" nonsense. I mean I wouldn't be surprised if some of my grandfathers were brothers, if that makes any sense. "

yawn, when common goes to the doctors or wherever, he ticks mixed race in the ethnicity box. he is BLACK. no one is tracing that far back. stop with this hippified, 'hey were all just humans maaaaan' nonsense.

― blahbariantheoriginal, Thursday, 9 June 2005 21:34 (nineteen years ago)

People don’t look at tiger woods and see hes mixed. They say hes a black golfer, even if he something else.
xpost

― oops (Oops), Thursday, 9 June 2005 21:46 (nineteen years ago)

stop with this hippified, 'hey were all just humans maaaaan' nonsense.

Yeah, totally dude. Black people are monkeys.

― Senor Grubby, Thursday, 9 June 2005 21:50 (nineteen years ago)

Mark Green = OTM.

― no, seriouly, the dumbest, Thursday, 9 June 2005 22:07 (nineteen years ago)

My problem is that Common seems to think that it's ok to make large judgments about a black man based on 1) the race of his girlfriend 2) his haircut.

So, Common walks down the street, sees a black guy with a white girl. Based on this information, he makes a judgement about the black man's attitude toward his own race. That's shitty.

I'm in an interracial couple, and I really don't like the idea that someone thinks they've got me pegged because of my girlfriend's skin color.

― Super Cub (Debito), Thursday, 9 June 2005 23:49 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, you blue dudes have to stop getting the hots over the green polka dot chicks.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 9 June 2005 23:53 (nineteen years ago)

"common seems to think" = "i am going to read this into what he's said"

― oops (Oops), Thursday, 9 June 2005 23:59 (nineteen years ago)

Nabisco is THWAP!! (arrowstrikingbullseye)

yeah, i'm pretty much diggin' the mark green commentary; kinda reminds me of that meek dude on the "de la soul is dead" skits, only instead of "i kinda like it/(SMACK!)", its "no serious- i'm kinda jealous(*slinks away*)

"most sell out, like a dread with a white girl"
-dread>>>>>>>dreadlocks. dread= David Hinds/dreadlocks= Malcolm Jamaal Warner; irony is singing songs of Garveyism and black power, then leaving the set with a Suze Orman look-alike...ain't love/lust a muthaCROCKA?.

"Have you ever dated outside your race?
Nah, not dated (giggles)."
-a rock star who's fucked randomly. AMAZING! no wait- a man who fucks against his politics? STROM-AZING!

"Dealing with having sex with a white girl is something I have encountered and im not acting like white girls and other races are not people."
-awkward verbal dance around the "yup, i bone white girls!" facts...

but my favorite parts of this thread are the initial "common said WHAT?! well, his album sucks!" posts in the beginning.

ps. wait'tilyouseemy... *giggles*

― natlawdp, Friday, 10 June 2005 00:14 (nineteen years ago)

Hey, it's the man! :-) How do.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 10 June 2005 00:17 (nineteen years ago)

I don’t think theres anything the matter with somebody loving somebody from another race but its almost a stereotype that if you’ve got dreadlocks you go out with a white girl.

― oops (Oops), Friday, 10 June 2005 00:20 (nineteen years ago)

actually, dreadlocks= both David Hinds & Malcolm Jamaal Warner. and that dude from Counting Crows

― natlawdp, Friday, 10 June 2005 00:21 (nineteen years ago)

raggett! greetings...

― natlawdp, Friday, 10 June 2005 00:24 (nineteen years ago)

Remind me, Natlaw, to help make you famous. It seems right.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 10 June 2005 00:25 (nineteen years ago)

*crudely etches prison tattoo reminder on forearm*

― natlawdp, Friday, 10 June 2005 00:27 (nineteen years ago)

xxxxpost - that quote is funny. it's like he's saying he's pro-stereotyping.

― Amon (eman), Friday, 10 June 2005 00:28 (nineteen years ago)

TS: Common vs. Chris Martin

― Amon (eman), Friday, 10 June 2005 00:30 (nineteen years ago)

hmm what a fuck.

― Nic de Teardrop (Nicholas), Friday, 10 June 2005 05:01 (nineteen years ago)

Nic, are you a white girl? Did Common ever call?

― The Ghost of Going To Hell (Dan Perry), Friday, 10 June 2005 10:42 (nineteen years ago)

Yesterday, after reading this thread, I went for a little stroll around my neighborhood. I walked maybe 10 blocks. During that time, I saw 3 black male/white female pairings. Maybe couples? Who knows. All of the guys had dreads.

Also, I've seen common a few times in the deli on my block.

― jhoshea (scoopsnoodle), Friday, 10 June 2005 16:13 (nineteen years ago)

Incredible rapper having stupid opinion shockah

way to Nas the place up, Mr. Sense

the new album has soft beats and shitty ideas

resurrection is a classic album

common is an all-time great with some questionable ideals

― Rollie Pemberton (Rollie Pemberton), Saturday, 11 June 2005 01:15 (nineteen years ago)

three years pass...

damn, a lot of armchair pop psychologists waving their ideological flags in this thread. just curious: do you guys have any idea what you're talking about?

― Pantheism F. Mohair (res), Thursday, 13 November 2008 00:14 (sixteen years ago)

serena's booty

― M@tt He1ges0n, Thursday, 13 November 2008 00:16 (sixteen years ago)

Nabisco is THWAP!! (arrowstrikingbullseye)

proto-hoos

― and what, Thursday, 13 November 2008 00:17 (sixteen years ago)

its like a whole thread full of dumber Visions

― BIG HOOS' macaroni is off the motherfucking chain (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Thursday, 13 November 2008 00:26 (sixteen years ago)

no-one's talking about anything any more because this thread is 3 years old

― akm, Thursday, 13 November 2008 00:45 (sixteen years ago)

and how come everyone's always sucking this nabisco guy's dick?

― Pantheism F. Mohair (res), Thursday, 13 November 2008 01:32 (sixteen years ago)

1st appearance of me

― put points on your face (ice crӕm), Thursday, 13 November 2008 01:34 (sixteen years ago)

still see common at the deli?

― omar little, Thursday, 13 November 2008 01:40 (sixteen years ago)

apparently he was at that barbershop where the shooting was right beforehand - i havent seen him in a while tho

― put points on your face (ice crӕm), Thursday, 13 November 2008 01:42 (sixteen years ago)

and how come everyone's always sucking this nabisco guy's dick?

his mastery of the difficult and Think Before Speak kata, whose practice has eluded many of us

― J0hn D., Thursday, 13 November 2008 01:43 (sixteen years ago)

hahaha!

― put points on your face (ice crӕm), Thursday, 13 November 2008 01:44 (sixteen years ago)

wow, hating on nabisco. I'm nu-ilx and i hardly post but still. how can you not get it? nabisco = otm 99% o' the time!

― what U cry 4 (jim), Thursday, 13 November 2008 01:46 (sixteen years ago)

res by making it so easy you're taking all the fun out of disliking you

― BIG HOOS' macaroni is off the motherfucking chain (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Thursday, 13 November 2008 01:48 (sixteen years ago)

it's just that the last time I saw this ridiculous amount of fawning was 9/12/01, when everyone suddenly talked about George Bush like he was God incarnate.

I mean seriously, look at this 400 page search result of people kissing this guy's ass: here

― Pantheism F. Mohair (res), Thursday, 13 November 2008 01:53 (sixteen years ago)

hahaha that's pretty funny actually

look at the posts that are being referenced though! you may find what it is you seek...............!

― BIG HOOS' macaroni is off the motherfucking chain (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Thursday, 13 November 2008 01:55 (sixteen years ago)

lol search results

― put points on your face (ice crӕm), Thursday, 13 November 2008 02:11 (sixteen years ago)

Ian Riese-Moraine: exposing ambitious careerists as charlatans since 1986.

― Peter "One Dart" Manley (The stickman from the hilarious 'xkcd' comics), Thursday, 13 November 2008 02:12 (sixteen years ago)

res I know this'll blow your mind but most of the time the reason people are "fawning" is because the shit n. brings is right the fuck on. if you think you can actually find instances where he's dead wrong and people are all "fuckin' nabisco otm!" then go nuts but you and I both know you can't do that at all, all you got is useless hater juice.

― J0hn D., Thursday, 13 November 2008 03:23 (sixteen years ago)

nabisco is a decent person hes intelligent and he believes in things - he writes well and hes funny - but i have street smarts

― put points on your face (ice cr?m), Thursday, 13 November 2008 06:24 (sixteen years ago)

guys I temp banned res you can stop talking to the troll now

― TOMBOT, Thursday, 13 November 2008 06:32 (sixteen years ago)

waht the fuck was up w/that music sraly

― put points on your face (ice cr?m), Thursday, 13 November 2008 06:33 (sixteen years ago)

i dont care if you're black, white, green, purple...

― homosexual II, Thursday, 13 November 2008 15:16 (sixteen years ago)

five months pass...

classic revive

― I'm not some HOOS for someone's lust to snack on! (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Tuesday, 5 May 2009 23:11 (sixteen years ago)

common: "i like to have sex with chickens, i just dont like to date them"

― ice cr?m, Tuesday, 5 May 2009 23:12 (sixteen years ago)

opn not all that common ime

― Lamp, Tuesday, 5 May 2009 23:14 (sixteen years ago)

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