why arent there many grime posts on ILM anymore?

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have people's interest in this waned already?

― lethalfizzle, Thursday, 9 June 2005 21:50 (twenty years ago)

Didn't you get the memo?

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 9 June 2005 21:53 (twenty years ago)

There were never that many grime posts on ILM (excepting Dizzee related stuff.)

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 9 June 2005 21:54 (twenty years ago)

Cuz P&J came and went, making that "so last year"?

― k/l (Ken L), Thursday, 9 June 2005 21:55 (twenty years ago)

I was going to start a thread about Imp Batch, but decided against it.

― Yakuza Ghost Six (nordicskilla), Thursday, 9 June 2005 21:56 (twenty years ago)

Is Imp Batch the "Singalong" guy?

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 9 June 2005 21:56 (twenty years ago)

The fans can't afford computers.

― feminazi (feminazi), Thursday, 9 June 2005 21:58 (twenty years ago)

is it cos its losing its novelty appeal amongst hipsters and trendies?

or is it just cos its turning out to be a bit of a dead end and not as good as everyone hoped it might turn out to be?

still, i like that new kano album, roll deep are still big, so is jammer, and rinse fm is massive, still.

― lethalfizzle, Thursday, 9 June 2005 21:59 (twenty years ago)

There were never that many grime posts on ILM (excepting Dizzee related stuff.)

― s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 9 June 2005 22:00 (twenty years ago)

Dissensus?

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Thursday, 9 June 2005 22:00 (twenty years ago)

i think it may have to do w/ the fact that:

a) it's hard to get a hold of for the majority of the board (which is much less UK-based than, say, Dissensus)

b) there is less consensus around what the "big" tracks are these days, so you don't tend to get that much of the "DOWNLOAD THIS" hype-machine that ILM specialises in. Only serious devotees are likely to follow mixtapes.

c) a lot of the threads about grime were people saying "I don't understand the hype about grime/Dizzee" and then grime fans taking the opposite position. See also: the glut of threads about The Streets, M.I.A., Daft Punk... Whereas now that people have been aware of grime for two and a half years or so its existence is more tolerated or ignored by the sceptics.

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Thursday, 9 June 2005 22:01 (twenty years ago)

dissensus wet their pants over anything grime, theyre like white liberal art critics, but for grime. anything grime is automatically overanalysed, jerked off over and adored, it doesnt matter what it is! someone looks hard in a dvd, its poeticised and thought of as so mournful, and emotional, and the saddest thing ever. some ruff squad tune is a bit like fucking vangelis or some horrendous synth shit from the 70s, it gets elevated to being mournful or something more worthy than it is. it makes it hard to know what is actually good in grime, when people are praising some utter shit! dont get me wrong, i like dissensus, its a godo interesting board, just sometimes they go well over the top like guardian critics.

― lethalfizzle, Thursday, 9 June 2005 22:04 (twenty years ago)

Haha actually I think titchyschneider and co. made it really boring to talk about. So blame those guys. Blah blah grime over hip hop beats blah blah.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 9 June 2005 22:06 (twenty years ago)

Is Imp Batch the "Singalong" guy?

Yup.

― Yakuza Ghost Six (nordicskilla), Thursday, 9 June 2005 22:07 (twenty years ago)

Welcome back Tinchy Schneider!

― Yakuza Ghost Six (nordicskilla), Thursday, 9 June 2005 22:07 (twenty years ago)

xp!!

― Yakuza Ghost Six (nordicskilla), Thursday, 9 June 2005 22:07 (twenty years ago)

i think the over intellectualisation made it boring and the lack of anyone having any standards of what made a good or bad grime tune.

― lethalfizzle, Thursday, 9 June 2005 22:09 (twenty years ago)

Haha yeah that's us no standards at all.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 9 June 2005 22:10 (twenty years ago)

glad we agree.

― lethalfizzle, Thursday, 9 June 2005 22:11 (twenty years ago)

So what happened then? Did we develop them and did that "kill grime"?

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 9 June 2005 22:13 (twenty years ago)

yeah, ILM killed grime. didnt you know?

who said grime is dead anyway? the pirates are still shit hot....

― lethalfizzle, Thursday, 9 June 2005 22:14 (twenty years ago)

personally I haven't posted about grime because I had a phase in March-April when I listened to very little else, and got burnt out a little and haven't listened to any since. I think this is about to change though.

also yes, no easy-access key TRACKS emerging - people tend to acquire the mixtapes at different times and so when you do get into them there's no one around to share your enthusiasm at that particular moment.

― The Lex (The Lex), Thursday, 9 June 2005 22:16 (twenty years ago)

Has the quality and/or quantity of good dancehall diminished this year or is it lack of interested posters?

― [that bastard] jaxon (jaxon), Thursday, 9 June 2005 22:16 (twenty years ago)

I blame stencil.

― k/l (Ken L), Thursday, 9 June 2005 22:17 (twenty years ago)

lex, your full name is so hot.

― lethalfizzle, Thursday, 9 June 2005 22:18 (twenty years ago)

Oh the end of that thread makes me sad.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 9 June 2005 22:20 (twenty years ago)

so will this one when it doesnt get replied to for six months.

― lethalfizzle, Thursday, 9 June 2005 22:23 (twenty years ago)

No that won't depress me at all.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 9 June 2005 22:24 (twenty years ago)

i thought you were just one of those emotional types.

― lethalfizzle, Thursday, 9 June 2005 22:26 (twenty years ago)

lex, your full name is so hot.

I've been told this before. I'm glad people like it.

― The Lex (The Lex), Thursday, 9 June 2005 22:30 (twenty years ago)

I have been listening to less grime because I have been listening to Luciano, Robag Wruhme and Moodymann. I still love grime.

― Yakuza Ghost Six (nordicskilla), Thursday, 9 June 2005 22:31 (twenty years ago)

Also I got a Can album. Not bad!

― Yakuza Ghost Six (nordicskilla), Thursday, 9 June 2005 22:31 (twenty years ago)

Because most people on ILM can't listen to pirate radio.

― Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Friday, 10 June 2005 00:22 (twenty years ago)

yet another hyped trend has crested. thank god. awaiting the next trend based on a slight twist of the last dance trend. yay.

(so many threads to come on that next trend)

― foreign nostalgia, Friday, 10 June 2005 00:31 (twenty years ago)

Yes "trend."

― deej.., Friday, 10 June 2005 00:51 (twenty years ago)

"yet another hyped trend has crested. thank god. awaiting the next trend based on a slight twist of the last dance trend. yay."

As I was saying, more posts like these are exactly what we need to kickstart explicit grime fandom again on ILX.

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Friday, 10 June 2005 00:52 (twenty years ago)

it's dissensus. a lot of the ilm grime energy went there.

and lethalfizzle is dead right about dissensus.

― bugged out, Friday, 10 June 2005 01:26 (twenty years ago)

Wait till the roll deep album is easily available and watch interest revive.

― Jacob (Jacob), Friday, 10 June 2005 06:01 (twenty years ago)

actually I think the Roll Deep album might be why there's been no grime gushing lately! possibly all the grime fans listened to it, went "oh ugh no!" and turned their attention to something else instead.

when the Kano album drops, however...mmmm.

― The Lex (The Lex), Friday, 10 June 2005 06:39 (twenty years ago)

the kano album is a hip hop album, theres like two, maybe only one grime track on there. dont get me wrong, its great hip hop, its very good, some great things being done with production, kanos a big boy MC, but its not the grime tour de force it might have been. i read in undercover its the first brilliant grime album which made me LOL. that would be boy in da corner.

― lethalfizzle, Friday, 10 June 2005 09:56 (twenty years ago)

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― DAEREST V1CE MAGAZINE!!!!! (ex machina), Friday, 17 June 2005 20:43 (twenty years ago)

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― s1ocki (slutsky), Friday, 17 June 2005 20:50 (twenty years ago)

I MEAN REALLY why aren't there?

― DAEREST V1CE MAGAZINE!!!!! (ex machina), Friday, 17 June 2005 20:57 (twenty years ago)

How annoying.

― deej.., Friday, 17 June 2005 21:00 (twenty years ago)

Mod?!

― PappaWheelie (PappaWheelie), Friday, 17 June 2005 21:04 (twenty years ago)

two weeks pass...

― get to thA CHOPPA / A++++++ SELLER (ex machina), Monday, 4 July 2005 18:20 (twenty years ago)

grime is shit.

― grime is shit., Monday, 4 July 2005 19:37 (twenty years ago)

one year passes...

bump^

― That one guy that quit, Friday, 27 April 2007 20:46 (nineteen years ago)

So the new Wiley. Have only (half-)listened once, but man, that record is DEPRESSING. Maybe I'm projecting my expectations about how he must feel about grime right now (admittedly I know jack shit about the true state of grime right now) but except for "Where's Wiley" nothing has the brashness and bouyancy of the first album. I mean, shit, the opening of "Letter to Dizzee" is heartbreaking.

I've heard a few people over the last few years talk about Wiley ripping it up on this mix or that; what should I search?

― lukas, Friday, 27 April 2007 21:19 (nineteen years ago)

I mean how come grime artists can't even maintain the illusion of invincibility? Dizzee's debut was so astounding it was impossible to imagine he'd drop off, he was defined by his badassness. And Wiley was the one that had been knocked down and gotten up so many times that he'd lost the capacity to despair. It's like the bad guys are winning.

― lukas, Friday, 27 April 2007 21:27 (nineteen years ago)

I blame Tony Bliar.

― admrl, Friday, 27 April 2007 21:28 (nineteen years ago)

i just came back from a grime nite

i had a v good time!

― lex pretend, Friday, 27 April 2007 23:15 (nineteen years ago)

wow, is it already morning?

― PappaWheelie V, Friday, 27 April 2007 23:16 (nineteen years ago)

nah is just gone midnight. big night tomorrow so quiet restrained night tonight

― lex pretend, Friday, 27 April 2007 23:22 (nineteen years ago)

grime on ilm! quaint!

no one knows "the state" of grime, or what's going on in grimeist heads. this question spins round and round and round every single day in rwd, in dissensus, in the lrb, in vogue, in the daily sport, in bleedin waitrose food illustrated. no one agrees on anything. u can talk about it if u like, sure, and perhaps it isnt an entirely useless question, yes, but wot i will say is u and everyone else will get more out of life and maybe even answer ur original question one fine day if u just say 'heard this, it was good, heard that, it was bad', take it from there and not get in a big scenius tizzy about it.

pointless para indeed, but i'm bored.

i gave the wiley a brief listen and it didnt sound too hot no. it's bloody tiresome the way he carries on, man of his age. i am inclined to take dizzee's word for it, about wiley, on 'pussyhole'.

heard kano's mixtape. i kinda knew it before, but i really hate him more than anyone now. he's only dominated a beat on record maybe 3 or 4 times in his career, and the rest of the time he sounds small and trite and aswim. he's lucky he's a looker. there's this one noizy bass tune on it (it being an collection of old rap beats obv) called 'is this grimey enough?', and you've never in your life heard anything more desperate.

heard trim's mixtape. he is good, even brill sometimes. "i was born as a sufferer won't get caught or muddled up with any puddleduck got my arse out tell yr lips to cuddle up." that's hot! whole mixtape's a bit of a drag tho, his new crew are subpar and i miss scratchy and so does he.

roll deep 'rules & regs' wz the "pure grime" the headhonchos clamoured for. it wz one-note and boring all told. their spirits are crushed, and theyre doing it all for you.

scorcher's coming along, used to think he wz lyrical heatfakerz trash but he's getting good stuff out of wiley. <a href="http://www.myspace.com/scorcherofficial">check 'red light'</a>. also the 'way down the road' rmx with all the aggiest mcs that i can't remember.

stryder's sounding good. 'siiiiiiiick inna head'!

wanna hear the aftershock album, but that it's taking me so long to get round to it is telling. missed the bus maybe. them, i mean. wanna hear flow dan's mixtape, whenever it appears. of jme & skepta: nuff said.

bits n bobs.

― r|t|c, Friday, 27 April 2007 23:58 (nineteen years ago)

haha fuck, i just sound like the ilm rap lot. "yeah s'ok"!! seriously, you don't owe grime anything, listening to grime and rap and any music shouldnt feel like a boring 9 to 5 that doesnt even pay very well, and if you dont feel up to what can very often be a dreadful old chore then i don't blame you one bit.

― r|t|c, Saturday, 28 April 2007 00:16 (nineteen years ago)

I can imagine Trim sounding lost without Scratchy, they always sounded so good together, two different cautionary tales about "what weed can do to your personality".

― Tim F, Saturday, 28 April 2007 03:21 (nineteen years ago)

shopping list-weary clarity vs wide-eyed skittishness yeah? but i think also with them there's something greater than the sum of their parts going on, something more just a pleasingly neat dyad wotsit. i do wish there wz a few more obv examples of them together to chew on though so this wdnt all feel quite so fantasy dollshouseish.

trim is a funny one. as u can imagine he never really ever sounds lost as such (maybe the least lost sounding grime mc in history in fact), but he's always had an isolation about him, contemptfully passing the time while everyone else blah blah strives away, and that's also been a key part of his attraction to date. on record though it's better implied than it is explicit - he's quite hard to live with on the mixtape even over the course of single tracks, whether it's him on his own or amongst newer, lamer mcs (or, one suspects, older comfier best mates).

and mainly the thing is is it's so hard to work out what i really want from him, or better yet what sorta side of him i'd wanna see for it to stick. if he's a cross between erm, roots manuva and um, lil wayne like he is in my head then do i want him to keep the wry sigh eye for homely detail and be someone more vulnerable, precariously so, or do i want him to keep the rrrrrandom "dilly dally wearing a bally in ally pally played pingpong with my aunt sally had a rally kept a tally" bitesize quoteable nonsense and become some groundless freewheeling renegade entity hoovering up everyone's rnb guest spots? yeah ok probly the latter (sorry sylvester, even tho he's not wrong) but u'd still lose something either way really.

― r|t|c, Sunday, 29 April 2007 00:45 (nineteen years ago)

"except for "Where's Wiley" nothing has the brashness and bouyancy of the first album"

are you joking? the first album is shitty, truth be told, production excepted. this new one is his best album so far. 2nd phaze was a thrown together mix cd, this is much better.

― titchyschneiderMk2, Sunday, 29 April 2007 12:07 (nineteen years ago)

"Wiley was the one that had been knocked down and gotten up so many times that he'd lost the capacity to despair"

thats wileys problem though. he was better and more full of oomph when he was dizzees spar. most of the time now he sounds a bit fatigued. or maybe hes alwyas just sounded like that and i didnt notice. he def did on the 1st album. thats why for weeded out guys like him, he should be legally bounded to mc only on uptempo beats otherwise he just sounds monged out.

― titchyschneiderMk2, Sunday, 29 April 2007 12:10 (nineteen years ago)

"i do wish there wz a few more obv examples of them together to chew on though so this wdnt all feel quite so fantasy dollshouseish."

Ha ha yeah the only thing that's coming to mind now is "Don't Choke".

I really don't understand the Mystique Of Wiley stuff - all that "he's been knocked down and gotten up so many times..." stuff. Maybe he has but it's not like it's immediately apparent from his rapping. Much prefer Scratchy, Trim, Breeze, Flo Dan...

― Tim F, Sunday, 29 April 2007 12:47 (nineteen years ago)

if u just say 'heard this, it was good, heard that, it was bad', take it from there and not get in a big scenius tizzy about it.

v v true but when so much new grime disappoints it's hard not to be all like "it's all shit and i don't have the time to get into the scene properly again".

i've heard the wiley, roll deep and aftershock albums this year, the first two are so dispiritingly competent...the production is actually v good, polished but still grimey, exactly the pop/grime midpoint which people should have been doing 3 years ago, but it needs some good MCing to really bring it to life and there is none. at least, neither wiley nor roll deep have anything to say at all. i can remember all of two lines from the roll deep, and one of those cos it's so atrocious, a horrid "penis"/"aborted foetus" rhyme.

that said apparently guns'n'roses ii was brill, lots of stuff i really enjoyed was played on fri, and no lay has a mixtape out soon.

― lex pretend, Sunday, 29 April 2007 13:09 (nineteen years ago)

the aftershock album = one third lovely to two thirds appalling

― lex pretend, Sunday, 29 April 2007 13:10 (nineteen years ago)

the aftershock album is just terrible. what an embarassment. the new zumpi 12 is better than that entire album.

"he's been knocked down"

and with good reason. wileys just not a very good MC. not sure why he gets so many ratings. hes cool for one verse here and there, but on so many treddin tracks, his ordinariness and lack of confidence was a fatal blow. well that and the inability to really ride a beat properly -he overstuffs each line far too much.

the JME remix of roll deeps celebrate that isnt bad. but the beat sounds typically amateurish. and apart from the catchy hook, the rapping is more of that 'ghastly limbo' simon reynolds talks about grime being in. except its not a new thing, its always been there unfortunately. now theres just too much of it is all.

― titchyschneiderMk2, Sunday, 29 April 2007 20:04 (nineteen years ago)

my friend played me some grime mixtape he'd downloaded and i remember thinking these beats are actually hot, these dudes should get into the g-unit producer farm team or something

most grime rappers i've heard still sound so one-note and gimmicky
i don't want to hear that 'serious' song or dude who says "SERIOUS SERIOUS SERIOUS" ever again

― deej, Sunday, 29 April 2007 20:20 (nineteen years ago)

You're getting merked on road, blood.

JME IS SERIOUS.

― jim, Sunday, 29 April 2007 20:21 (nineteen years ago)

basically, grime = same old story with british rap. its all about the beats really. most of our mc talents are mediocre. BUT, we do have some great mcs like riko, dizzee (old dizzee anyway), trim and some others.

"these dudes should get into the g-unit producer farm team or something"

thats true, mostly applicable to guys like danny weed or target though who make beats that are basically them doing mainstream rap. i wish more grime production guys were trying to break away from sounding like commercial rap more though. thats what made it so good/makes it so good.

― titchyschneiderMk2, Sunday, 29 April 2007 20:49 (nineteen years ago)

Much prefer Scratchy, Trim, Breeze, Flo Dan...

Didn't say he was my favorite MC. I'm just saying he used to have a style where his ambition and energy just barely kept ahead of his desperation (this ain't a new story in MCing obv). But now instead of ambition vs. desperation it's like habit vs. fatigued resignation. De-press-ing.

― lukas, Sunday, 29 April 2007 21:08 (nineteen years ago)

I think my issue here is more the generalised post-Dizzee over-veneration of any MC who sounds like they've had emo problems AKA the Dissensification of Grime Discourse. When of course the deadliest grime MCs are 99% of the time those who aren't particularly self-reflective, just straight killer flows.

This is why Scratchy and Flo Dan are underrated, whereas Wiley and Riko are overrated. Trim gets universal props in some sort of ODB-style free-pass-by-all wild-card arrangement.

― Tim F, Monday, 30 April 2007 03:15 (nineteen years ago)

found a trim&scratch morsel i taped off logan, 11 june 06 it says. i liked this little skanky vibe they had going - i think there was another one like this as well. v funny trimworthy scratch couplet there too: "u want me to kill myself / fall off the stage / get killed by girls / oh, its an evil world / then yr like, hope ur album sells!!"

he has some good beats as well, scratchy, but i've no idea what's happened to them. he did the wookie 'storm' remix for wiley & jammer and this other one called 'screwdriver' i think, and both had something of danny weed's murky wit about them.

as very very much as i sympathise with tim's position on emo dissensitivity - it's probly a mite kneejerky polarizing. sadly! cos we've all done it. the thing with wiley - and above all, this isn't an ivory tower critic thing but the popular attraction holding sway in grime right now - (yes ok "popular lol" i know but to those still listening) - is: he's a good soap character innit. everyone loves soaps! a keystone old man, probly a decade older than his fans now, and he's as filled with nameless jealous dread as he is arrogant. like jay-z crossed with the game crossed with izzy from neighbours. and he's the only one around who's still performing.

logan said something the other day on dissensus that kinda stuck, about how all the amazing things grime did in its infancy mean nothing now to the people who made it happen, cos they just didnt get the recognition..... ahh look sorry i could probly write another little essay about that but i just cant be bovd now. you do it! discuss with ref to:

the terms of recognition (including the surprising actual longevity of one hit wonders, plus that so solid and oxide&neutrino are very much fondly remembered to this day), the question of who's got time for people in a continuum (including the lost/fading/disquieting spectres of ukg mcs from times gone by - skidabee, gq, creed, psg, heartless, charlie brown, a million others) (grime crit starts with pay as you go does it? but how else-), dancehall ('why can't it be more like' subsection).

― r|t|c, Monday, 30 April 2007 10:11 (nineteen years ago)

and super bonus curveball points to anyone who factors in: logan sama himself, and his maybe-not-so-secret influence on grime.

― r|t|c, Monday, 30 April 2007 10:16 (nineteen years ago)

ha ha i've been guilty of "dancehall ('why can't it be more like')", though in relation to dubstep more than grime.

Yeah I'm being a bit extreme, pretending like I didn't love Dizzee and actually quite like Treddin'...

― Tim F, Monday, 30 April 2007 12:11 (nineteen years ago)

brr dubstep dancehall sounds horrid! all i can picture is stuff like that sunship thing. 'almighty father'? and sets of lenky instrumentals. and the bug, you know i luv him.

obv i wz thinking like a culture of dancey entertainment still supporting characterization, and conversation, and all of that. though of course current dancehall is barely any better with movado and busy and vybz and bounty killer moody zzzz. i suppose i could be more au fait these days.

― r|t|c, Monday, 30 April 2007 12:58 (nineteen years ago)

When of course the deadliest grime MCs are 99% of the time those who aren't particularly self-reflective, just straight killer flows.

This is why Scratchy and Flo Dan are underrated, whereas Wiley and Riko are overrated

Agree on Wiley but this Riko stuff is mental talk - part of the reason why he's so good is because he can do self-reflective AND straight killer flows.

― Matt DC, Monday, 30 April 2007 13:22 (nineteen years ago)

He's great when he's doing the second! As for the first, well "Chosen One" is still classic I guess.

I don't think he's not great, just not hands down the best grime MC ever, which is how many people represent him.

― Tim F, Monday, 30 April 2007 13:33 (nineteen years ago)

i dont think ive heard any of rikos emo stuff. i never liked chosen one though, much prefer stuff like papdums, or what he does on his live sets. i dont see how riko is overrated though. who overrates him? hes UNDERrated if you ask me. one of the few guys who consistently raps with that confidence, assurance and invincibilty dizzee has (that someone else touched on upthread). but yeah, death to all emo rappers, hip hop or grime or any genre really. even dizzees emo stuff was pretty corny and predictable in its own way - pretty standard post-tupac emo rap IMO.

― titchyschneiderMk2, Monday, 30 April 2007 13:34 (nineteen years ago)

riko had a "god forgive me if i bust my 9" emo thing last year i believe.

if he was that good at killer flows then i could care less about the mithering about 'chosen one'; i always saw him as a hamfisted blusterer though. when doogz does yardie flow he sounds party lively, flow dan's is almost like this stupefying focused mumble, riko... riko just sounds like he's putting it on to sound a bit scary. if his sound is meant to be invincibility then it's fatally superficial to my ears.

also, and i'd like to think this explained everything about riko to matt dc in a instant, he's your classic bigmouth man utd dickhead innit. go on, watch him throwing his toys out the pram when towers of london trashed roll deep at 5 a side if u don't believe me

― r|t|c, Monday, 30 April 2007 14:06 (nineteen years ago)

over-veneration of any MC who sounds like they've had emo problems

Well I can understand that. But I'm not saying Wiley is or was great because he's emo, just saying I don't like the turn his emo-ness has taken. I'm actually not into him now because his emo storyline has overwhelmed his beats / lyrics. Maybe that's why my favorite track on the album is an instrumental.

― lukas, Monday, 30 April 2007 21:41 (nineteen years ago)

wiley as an mc is shit, basically. his best mc years ended when dizzee left roll deep.

i cant believe anyone thinks riko isnt hardcore or doesnt have killer flows. have you lot not heard the riko and gods gift set on the rinsessions set?

― titchyschneiderMk2, Monday, 30 April 2007 22:13 (nineteen years ago)

"he's only dominated a beat on record maybe 3 or 4 times in his career"

kano>>>most grime MCs

his problem is that he just doesnt have that many memorable songs to his credit. theres boyz luv girls and then theres er.... not sure. no, none of those crappy R&B tracks count.

― titchyschneiderMk2, Monday, 30 April 2007 22:16 (nineteen years ago)

ps & qs! what have u done!

― lex pretend, Monday, 30 April 2007 22:17 (nineteen years ago)

oh yeah. ;) well, ps and qs is okay. i love the what have u done beat, but always thought kano was punching below par on there. hes rubbish rapping slow if you ask me. and he did the 'problems with girls' thing better on boyz luv girls (still one of the best all time grime tunes ever). his version of ice rink was amazing though...

i read this on the rwd site -
[i]DW: On P***yhole, he refers to you as the old man...
He means this; he looked up to me, he thought I was Superman but I didn’t pretend to be Superman. Dizzee thinks, ‘I’ve got money, I’m a millionaire. I’m the best.’ But he’s not; Scorcher, Ghetto and Kano are better than him. Money has turned him, maybe? I don’t know. It turns everyone... slightly.[i]

duno what wileys on but he thinks ghetto and scorcher are THAT good?! lol

― titchyschneiderMk2, Monday, 30 April 2007 22:37 (nineteen years ago)

plz point me in the direction of some good recent grime type stuff where proper heavy basslines and bizarro strings outweigh the need for 13 MCs to spout breakneck lyrics about the usual.

― blueski, Monday, 30 April 2007 22:41 (nineteen years ago)

i didn't realise Fireworkz 'Hold It Down' was as old as it is having only seen that pretty cool video for it only yesterday. not into it really tho - where's the bass?

― blueski, Monday, 30 April 2007 23:28 (nineteen years ago)

You keep naming em, I'll keep downloading em and clocking them as crap.

― Saxby D. Elder, Tuesday, 1 May 2007 04:13 (nineteen years ago)

13 MCs spouting breakneck lyrics about the usual is the best bit!

Also OMG that five-a-side clip!

― Matt DC, Tuesday, 1 May 2007 09:50 (nineteen years ago)

I guess I like grime that functions more like the dnb I like - not MC dominated, but still fast and fluid.

― blueski, Tuesday, 1 May 2007 09:54 (nineteen years ago)

this has turned into a harsh and bitter jilted grime fan type of post.

― titchyschneiderMk2, Tuesday, 1 May 2007 10:16 (nineteen years ago)

grime got shit when the MCs thought they were good enough to dominate the beats and the producers thought the MCs were good enough to make their beats more subordinate to the MCs.

― titchyschneiderMk2, Tuesday, 1 May 2007 10:17 (nineteen years ago)

two weeks pass...

stormin & nasty jack were good fun on logan this week. ace little retrospect on oldskool nasty crew and old grime days, making the nu nasty crew, evolution of mcs, having a nose for a popular tune ('girls love nasty' was hotly contended, can u believe that!), negotiating the "young mentality", so on and so 4th. if anyone's interested. starts about 48mins in, hott set about a half hour later, will be gone by tuesday.

http://87.117.200.145/emap.php?c=kissradioplayer/02-2300-0100-96.wma&.wvx

"no no, don't be ashamed, cos some people... are bothered about guys."

it really is crazy, and yeah a bit depressing obv, looking back at the sheer talent happening to come together in two crews once upon a time in east london. 2 wu-tangs thrown to the wind pretty much. stormin's always been a cracking mc btw, ridiculously underrated. shame the trim beef had to happen i guess.

― r|t|c, Saturday, 19 May 2007 11:06 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.zshare.net/audio/storminnastyjack_b2b_140507-mp3.html

k so here's that set. fiyahhhh

― r|t|c, Saturday, 19 May 2007 12:42 (nineteen years ago)

sheesh you can't deny this...esp that nice bubbly perc sounds crossed w/battlestar galatica rays section (5-7 mins).

― xyzzzz__, Saturday, 19 May 2007 18:37 (nineteen years ago)

this shit is awful. 21st century skiffle.

― Display Name, Saturday, 19 May 2007 20:15 (nineteen years ago)

the most i'll ever concede is it doesnt really really heat up til 4 mins in maybe. otherwise get bent u claff!

what's wrong with skiffle anyway.

that bongo bubbler is the 'stage show' riddim by skepta i think - conscious attempt to do another icerink for the nasa live shows.

you could also say the whole thing's pretty retro - in the sense that pirate radio format in itself is quite retro now. BUT there's nothing but fresh new beats on that, which is something positive to chew on innit.

― r|t|c, Saturday, 19 May 2007 20:28 (nineteen years ago)

Had the TV on while reading and posting here - 'the culture show' had Mark Kermode doing a piece on skiffle!

Its back in fashion ppl! get with it!!

― xyzzzz__, Saturday, 19 May 2007 20:33 (nineteen years ago)

i mean, i guess pirate radio isnt retro itself, it probly still goes on as it ever did (despite rinse's best efforts to fuck it up for everyone hem hem) but that contentment with just tearing down a ridiculous couple of hours every week is not enough for guys now.

xp: oh wasnt dizzee meant to be on that as well? i forgot to watch.

― r|t|c, Saturday, 19 May 2007 20:34 (nineteen years ago)

Didn't see the first 10 mins - don't think he ws. can't wait to hear 'maths and english'.

Missed Dizzee on Jools Holland - did anyone see that?

― xyzzzz__, Saturday, 19 May 2007 20:37 (nineteen years ago)

reading the skiffle wiki:

Between sets, Donegan would entertain the crowd with folk and blues, backed by bass and washboard. Colyer termed it skiffle, and soon it was more popular than the jazz that was being played.

dude's right, just like grime! i bet titchyschneider's great grandad was all like, "skiffle got shit when the MCs thought they were good enough to dominate the beats and the producers thought the MCs were good enough to make their beats more subordinate to the MCs, this has turned into a harsh and bitter jilted skiffle fan type of post."

― r|t|c, Saturday, 19 May 2007 20:40 (nineteen years ago)

(another thing i shoulda said about that logan show upthread: west ham fan logan managed to find some reggaeton song that carlos tevez sings on?! got a nice voice on him as well.)

― r|t|c, Saturday, 19 May 2007 20:45 (nineteen years ago)

is it reggaeton or cumbia villera or whatever its called i forget

― 696, Saturday, 19 May 2007 20:47 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSrPIcnZbAg

― 696, Saturday, 19 May 2007 20:48 (nineteen years ago)

aww, brilliant

Pialo Vago - La Botella is carlitos' track according to kiss. couldnt find any other mentions sadly!

― r|t|c, Saturday, 19 May 2007 21:05 (nineteen years ago)

Why aren't there many charleston or foxtrot posts on ILM anymore?

― Geir Hongro, Saturday, 19 May 2007 21:48 (nineteen years ago)

hey geir! guess how many people want to know your opinion about grime? thats right! none!

― 696, Saturday, 19 May 2007 21:51 (nineteen years ago)

three months pass...

http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f14/snouts/wileydontcry.png

― r|t|c, Tuesday, 11 September 2007 13:07 (eighteen years ago)

Heaven needed that "Get Me" song by whoever did that "Get Me" song.

― Dom Passantino, Tuesday, 11 September 2007 13:21 (eighteen years ago)

i dont really know whats good in grime anymore...

― titchyschneiderMk2, Wednesday, 12 September 2007 16:09 (eighteen years ago)

welcome to my world.

― That one guy that hit it and quit it, Wednesday, 12 September 2007 16:10 (eighteen years ago)

In an other piece of Gang Gang Dance news, we are very excited to say that while the band were in London they got to record with grime MC Tynchy Stryder.

― mizzell, Wednesday, 12 September 2007 17:56 (eighteen years ago)

two months pass...

I haven't posted in this thread before but what can you say about grime unless you actually ARE overintellectualizing it?

Here's a choon! ITS ALOT! or That's BIG! are about all I can say about the shit I listen to. I just really respond favorably to the stuff I like but not really to say anything much about.

I like grime. There is a lot of great underground shit in myspace. That is mainly the stuff I am listening to.

If I were to really indulge myself and attempt to explain it, I would liken it to the concept of terroir in wine and the issue of whether one would be inclined to drink the wine, appreciating it fully, or choose to blather on about tannins and licorice notes or something. I mean, I could tell you some good wines to go out and get or some nice MCs to check out but I usually only do that if someone asks me.

Also, it seems to me that nobody really big in grime wants to get hit with that tag (what they really want to do is direct). Fear of the conclusive death of "Grime" as such is palpable to me amongst them and no one wants to be left behind is my take on that part. I haven't made a systematic search of all the grime posts here but it seems like people are usually talking about the big names whereas I think the real action is just in some bedroom on a council estate and thus in myspace.

I'd like to see more Grime posts. I'm always lookin to check out the MC du jour, shatap.

― Saxby D. Elder, Friday, 7 December 2007 17:42 (eighteen years ago)

what is worth checking out nowadays on myspace? i've never really gotten into grime...

― M@tt He1ges0n, Friday, 7 December 2007 17:44 (eighteen years ago)

i've never really gotten into grime...

hold tite the man behind my fave thred! shh hut yuh muh!! listen blud...

http://www.myspace.com/jmeserious

JME is BIG. Not at all underground but my pick as a great place for anyone to start (and his myspace page has some great exclusive stuff on it). I LOVE HIM. We can get into sum smaller ppls if u lyk dis ting.

"My brain is like an everything factory" (i like that line)

― Saxby D. Elder, Friday, 7 December 2007 18:25 (eighteen years ago)

hey i forgot abt this thread for a minute, but i like that dude a lot.

sometimes his flow on the myspace intro song reminds of eminem's "in a mercedes benz with the windows up when the temp goes up to the mid-80s" flow on forgot abt dre...

i guess i only ever heard dizzee rascal for grime before. and also this song called "no more bananas" by some crazy dude i can't remember his name, he was on a project gotham racing soundtrack which i thought was pretty funny.

buuuut....this will probably sound bad, but dizzee honestly from what i heard i just couldn't hang with his voice...i found it sort of irritating and between that and his flow sounded too hyper to me. maybe i just don't get the aesthetics of grime too well, but why is he "better" than this dude. i liked this way better.

― M@tt He1ges0n, Wednesday, 12 December 2007 17:11 (eighteen years ago)

yeah, I like dizzee ok but JME will MERK him any time blud. Reason Dizzee gets so much play and rep is because he is one of the few grime ppls dat are willin to play da industry game, be polite and show up for shit. Anyone wondering why Wiley ain't bigger (when maybe he oughta be) is because he can't be fucked to show up for anything. He is LONG blud. JME don't really need anything because all dem dudes are sellin tons of BBK t-shirts (@ £20 each, I read like thousands of em). I love how his myspace is all about the counterfeit t-shirts and shit. JME makes me laugh like no other MC, he is really fuckin jokes. I like how they like to make up words and catch jokes offa watchin em propagate (Zampas, poomplex, derkhead, etc). JME and Skepta are at the top of the game, no doubt.

Of the Movement guys, I think Wretch's video is great (what did u think?) but the album is a bit boring and he can't really step in da youtube clips all dat well. Ghetto is at the top and he is really impressive but I just don't like him as much as JME. Bashy is pretty cool, his mixtape is about to drop soon, but he gets merked on youtube pretty standardly. Jammer is BAD, if you are lkn for sumtin fresh, you have to love "Its Alot" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KhPyQSVb8fA

― Saxby D. Elder, Wednesday, 12 December 2007 17:50 (eighteen years ago)

with your firm grasp of the argot, you must be a native east londoner.

― That one guy that hit it and quit it, Wednesday, 12 December 2007 18:02 (eighteen years ago)

close, southside Chicago! BRAP!!

― Saxby D. Elder, Wednesday, 12 December 2007 18:32 (eighteen years ago)

hey, that JME dude is pretty good. just the other day i thought to myself "huh, the grime stuff didn't work out, i guess".

― Jordan, Wednesday, 12 December 2007 19:01 (eighteen years ago)

one month passes...

OK, I'm sort of keeping up my getting into grime after everyone stopped caring about it like 2 years ago thing....

I got "Treddin On Thin Ice" by Wiley in the used CD bin for $2...am really digging it...again, I like his voice a lot more than Dizzee's, easier to understand and I guess I'm a cornee rockist fuck in that way, i like lyrics in my rap type musiks...

but yeah I like the sort of off kilter beats, if i was smarter and knew more I would guess that it has some influence of really old digital dancehall stuff like that sleng teng riddim thread stuff, but who know, maybe it's jungle or drum n bass or whatever, it's all a mystery to me the UK dance music history stuff.

But yeah I like it! "Pies" is a sweet song! Good hook. Some of the dudes that guest star are even better rappers than Wiley himself, but i thought he was maybe more of a producer dude who raps like Dr. Dre or something

― M@tt He1ges0n, Thursday, 7 February 2008 17:56 (eighteen years ago)

grime is boring now. the production levels are crapola.

― mr x, Thursday, 7 February 2008 18:38 (eighteen years ago)

what can you say about grime unless you actually ARE overintellectualizing it

I'd like to see more Grime posts.

― Tracer Hand, Thursday, 7 February 2008 18:41 (eighteen years ago)

eh Saxby??

― Tracer Hand, Thursday, 7 February 2008 18:41 (eighteen years ago)

Oh my, the Saxby patois. 'llow dat, blud.

― jim, Thursday, 7 February 2008 18:43 (eighteen years ago)

some good posts about grime here -

Is it important that music is "relevant", and what does that really mean?

― Tracer Hand, Thursday, 7 February 2008 18:48 (eighteen years ago)

with your firm grasp of the argot, you must be a native east londoner.

-- That one guy that hit it and quit it, Wednesday, December 12, 2007 6:02 PM (1 month ago) Bookmark Link

close, southside Chicago! BRAP!!

-- Saxby D. Elder, Wednesday, December 12, 2007 6:32 PM

lol'ing so hard

― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 7 February 2008 19:29 (eighteen years ago)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyde_Park%2C_Chicago

― Tracer Hand, Thursday, 7 February 2008 19:32 (eighteen years ago)

b) there is less consensus around what the "big" tracks are these days, so you don't tend to get that much of the "DOWNLOAD THIS" hype-machine that ILM specialises in.

I miss 2005.

― Mr. Snrub, Thursday, 7 February 2008 19:35 (eighteen years ago)

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