― Garibaldi, Monday, 13 June 2005 07:03 (twenty years ago)
― Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Monday, 13 June 2005 07:16 (twenty years ago)
― Neil Kulkarni, Monday, 13 June 2005 07:18 (twenty years ago)
― stingo rarr, Monday, 13 June 2005 07:19 (twenty years ago)
― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Monday, 13 June 2005 07:24 (twenty years ago)
― Ludo (Ludo), Monday, 13 June 2005 07:26 (twenty years ago)
― gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Monday, 13 June 2005 07:27 (twenty years ago)
― JohnFoxxsJuno, Monday, 13 June 2005 07:27 (twenty years ago)
― hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 13 June 2005 07:29 (twenty years ago)
― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Monday, 13 June 2005 07:33 (twenty years ago)
― hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 13 June 2005 07:42 (twenty years ago)
― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Monday, 13 June 2005 07:45 (twenty years ago)
― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Monday, 13 June 2005 07:46 (twenty years ago)
― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Monday, 13 June 2005 08:43 (twenty years ago)
He was definitely the right drummer for the Beatles - a really nice groove to his best work e.g Drive My Car, Daytripper, Come Together, virtually all the early stuff.
And as important - his 'lovable loser' personality was a great fit with other three and allowed the Beatles to be presented as four distinct characters.
― Dr. C (Dr. C), Monday, 13 June 2005 08:43 (twenty years ago)
― Taste the Blood of Scrovula (noodle vague), Monday, 13 June 2005 08:46 (twenty years ago)
― AleXTC (AleXTC), Monday, 13 June 2005 09:30 (twenty years ago)
― Dr. C (Dr. C), Monday, 13 June 2005 09:35 (twenty years ago)
In the case of Ringo Starr, his melodic talent (or lack thereof) was clearly demonstrated in those few songs he wrote, plus the fact that he was completely unable to hit the notes properly.
That being said, any drummer getting to work with such geniuses as McCartney, Lennona and Harrison would have been extremely lucky.
― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Monday, 13 June 2005 09:50 (twenty years ago)
Completely bullshit. Easily the worst solo-Beatles. "Tug Of War" alone makes McCartney the best solo-Beatles by far.
― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Monday, 13 June 2005 09:51 (twenty years ago)
Anyhow, the writing team of "Harrison/Starkey" was crim neglected within the Beatles, but "It don't come easy".
― mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 13 June 2005 09:54 (twenty years ago)
McCartney has his moments but Tug Of War isn't one of them - C-Moon, Coming Up etc etc. John post-Beatles is mostly embarrassing. I can take Geo's All Things Must Pass. But there's so much warmth and wit in IDCE - great tune too - who could not love Ringo for it?
― Dr. C (Dr. C), Monday, 13 June 2005 10:03 (twenty years ago)
"Tug Of War" remains McCartney's masterpiece because it was devoid of the annoying DIY approach of most of his other solo material. Instead it had the kind of slick, perfect production that fits his pop sensibility perfectly. "Flowers In The Dirt" is just behind, while most of his Wings output suffers from bad production.
― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Monday, 13 June 2005 10:06 (twenty years ago)
― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Monday, 13 June 2005 10:09 (twenty years ago)
― k/l (Ken L), Monday, 13 June 2005 10:10 (twenty years ago)
― mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 13 June 2005 10:13 (twenty years ago)
Ringo was a very important element in the Beatles' success, though - a fine drummer; considering how pedestrian "Love Me Do" is compared to the rest of their early singles he may have made the difference between regional stardom and best thing evah.
x-post John post Beatles: JLPOB and Imagine are both great albums, and then he drifts, but the cherry picks and outtakes on the Wonsuponatime comp make it clear there's lots there. You'll not be able to make a comp of similar strength from any of the others or all them put together, frankly.
― plebian plebs (plebian), Monday, 13 June 2005 10:14 (twenty years ago)
― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Monday, 13 June 2005 10:19 (twenty years ago)
― J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Monday, 13 June 2005 10:33 (twenty years ago)
Yes, that's the WHOLE FUCKING PROBLEM!!
― Dr. C (Dr. C), Monday, 13 June 2005 10:48 (twenty years ago)
Harrison died of cancer.
McCartney lost his first wife to cancer and is now shack(l)ed up with a Geordie golddigger.
Starr narrated Thomas The Tank Engine, is married to a former Bond girl and is currently working on a comic book with Stan Lee at Marvel.
I know who I think did best out of the whole deal.
― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Monday, 13 June 2005 10:55 (twenty years ago)
I don't know that there's much difference between the Ringo-version and the Andy White version. I have an urgent need to check this -but will have to wait for tonight as don't have either on my ipod. I do have the Pete Best version though - just listening now....jeez he butchers the middle eight with some ill-advised skipped beats. He's not bad on Ain't She Sweet or Cry For A Shadow, but really on the basis of LMD it was a good call to move him on.
― Dr. C (Dr. C), Monday, 13 June 2005 11:11 (twenty years ago)
― k/l (Ken L), Monday, 13 June 2005 12:18 (twenty years ago)
― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Monday, 13 June 2005 12:19 (twenty years ago)
― Dr. C (Dr. C), Monday, 13 June 2005 12:23 (twenty years ago)
― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Monday, 13 June 2005 12:26 (twenty years ago)
― Tuomas (Tuomas), Monday, 13 June 2005 12:35 (twenty years ago)
Um, previous point...
When Lennon died, they played "Imagine" a solo hit.When Harrison died, they played "My Sweet Lord", a solo hit.McCartney will have "Hey Jude" or "Let it be" both Beatle hits, for his passing away. Not "Mull of Kintyre" that's for sure.
The jury's still out wrt Ringo's. Probably "Good Night" or "Yellow Submarine". "Devil Woman" would be nice though...
― mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 13 June 2005 12:41 (twenty years ago)
― scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 13 June 2005 12:48 (twenty years ago)
Not completely. He wrote "Love", "Imagine", "Jealous Guy", "Happy Christmas (War Is Over)", "Oh My Love", "#9 Dream", "Mind Games", "Woman" and "Watching The Wheels", all of them really great songs.
But generally, Lennon as a solo act is overrated. And "Plastic Ono Band" is awful.
― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Monday, 13 June 2005 12:49 (twenty years ago)
― Pete Scholtes, Monday, 13 June 2005 12:56 (twenty years ago)
― scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 13 June 2005 13:00 (twenty years ago)
Anyone can do beats.
― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Monday, 13 June 2005 13:02 (twenty years ago)
(i don't want stormy davis to read this, so let's keep it quiet. i always kinda wished the stones had a different drummer. i know, i'm a heretic. i can't help it. someone wilder. not moon wild, but wilder.)
― scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 13 June 2005 13:03 (twenty years ago)
Probably "It Don't Come Easy."
― mike a, Monday, 13 June 2005 13:05 (twenty years ago)
― David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 13 June 2005 13:08 (twenty years ago)
(xxpost)
― Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Monday, 13 June 2005 13:09 (twenty years ago)
― David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 13 June 2005 13:10 (twenty years ago)
-- Geir Hongro
Yes, Lennon's POB is awful. But only in comparison to Yoko's!
― Myonga Von Bontee (Myonga Von Bontee), Monday, 13 June 2005 13:11 (twenty years ago)
― scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 13 June 2005 13:14 (twenty years ago)
Don't tell Liam Gallagher, as if he fathers any girls that's what they'll be called.
Dr C otm, and chimes in pretty much with what Nik Cohn wrote about them in Awopbopaloobop... 'their greatest strengths were clarity of image and the way they balanced'.
― Billy Dods (Billy Dods), Monday, 13 June 2005 13:20 (twenty years ago)
― Myonga Von Bontee (Myonga Von Bontee), Monday, 13 June 2005 13:24 (twenty years ago)
what about "live and let die" !
― AleXTC (AleXTC), Monday, 13 June 2005 13:42 (twenty years ago)
― k/l (Ken L), Monday, 13 June 2005 13:52 (twenty years ago)
― Josh in Chicago (Josh in Chicago), Monday, 13 June 2005 14:05 (twenty years ago)
What's this comic he's working on with Stan Lee then? Sounds interesting...
― Stew (stew s), Monday, 13 June 2005 14:06 (twenty years ago)
― Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Monday, 13 June 2005 14:43 (twenty years ago)
And Ringo-as-a-Beatle was always both appropriate and tasteful. He even rose to the level of noticeably clever and/or creative, esp. in the way he orchestrated his fills.
Personalitywise, yes, I'm definitely glad he was in the Fab mix.
I'm not a huge fan of his post-Beatle work, but then I have a very limited tolerance for ANY post-Beatle work.
― The Mad Puffin, Monday, 13 June 2005 14:50 (twenty years ago)
― dlp9001, Monday, 13 June 2005 17:43 (twenty years ago)
It took a long time and a lot of usual post-Beatle debate to reach the obv truth. His restraint in Hello Goodbye alone does it for me, but his fills are so unique that it fits the band , uh, "best".
And Photograph is fantastic, as is his cover of Your 16.
― PappaWheelie (PappaWheelie), Monday, 13 June 2005 19:28 (twenty years ago)
I kind of see where you're coming from, wanting someone wilder. But Charlie's sense of timing and dynamics are pretty out there. He's wild in his own little way. Seeing him sit there so gentleman-like behind his little kit is one of the wonders of the world.
(xxxxpost!)
― Sang Freud (jeff_s), Monday, 13 June 2005 19:42 (twenty years ago)
I love Ringo, but that beat was Paul's.
― Nigel (Nigel), Monday, 13 June 2005 19:58 (twenty years ago)
-- Nigel (sellout...), June 13th, 2005.
Tomorrow Never Knows {Lennon} (2:57) Recorded: April 6, 1966 at Abbey Road, London, Englandwith overdubs added April 7, 1966 and April 22, 1966
Instrumentation:John Lennon - lead vocal, Hammond organ, tambourine, tape loopsPaul McCartney - bass guitar, tape loop (bird sounds)George Harrison - lead guitar, sitarRingo Starr - drumsGeorge Martin - piano
The idea of using tape loops was Paul's...
― PappaWheelie (PappaWheelie), Monday, 13 June 2005 20:31 (twenty years ago)
― Nigel (Nigel), Monday, 13 June 2005 20:54 (twenty years ago)
Anyone can do beats
― PappaWheelie (PappaWheelie), Monday, 13 June 2005 20:55 (twenty years ago)
Countdown to Verdict Reading in Jackson Case (for real this time!!!)
― joseph cotten (joseph cotten), Monday, 13 June 2005 20:57 (twenty years ago)
Beyond a couple of singles I have no time for any other solo Beatle. And Twist and Shout just makes it more obvious where the Beatles got their balls from too.
That is, partly from Ringo as well as Lennon. It is the singles following "Love Me Do" that display the sure rhythmic touch that I think was an essential ingredient in them becoming what they became.
― plebian plebs (plebian), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 09:04 (twenty years ago)
― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 09:08 (twenty years ago)
― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 09:09 (twenty years ago)
― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 09:12 (twenty years ago)
― Bobby Peru (Bobby Peru), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 09:16 (twenty years ago)
― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 09:18 (twenty years ago)
Every musician ever. Every composer you rep for. Rhythm and melody are indivisible, they define each other, they provide the context without which the other couldn't exist. This is so blatantly obvious that I can only assume yr riding yr hobby-horse for a laugh.
― Taste the Blood of Scrovula (noodle vague), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 09:19 (twenty years ago)
― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 09:20 (twenty years ago)
― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 09:21 (twenty years ago)
― Bifidus Digestivum (Dada), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 09:21 (twenty years ago)
― Bobby Peru (Bobby Peru), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 09:23 (twenty years ago)
― Bifidus Digestivum (Dada), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 09:23 (twenty years ago)
― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 09:23 (twenty years ago)
― Taste the Blood of Scrovula (noodle vague), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 09:25 (twenty years ago)
― J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 09:27 (twenty years ago)
― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 09:27 (twenty years ago)
― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 09:28 (twenty years ago)
― Bifidus Digestivum (Dada), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 09:29 (twenty years ago)
Symphonic rock is great music regardless of being played by black or white people. R&B is inferior music regardless of being played by black or white people. This is about music, not skin colour.
― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 09:30 (twenty years ago)
What bit of the sentence "YOU ARE A FAT, BALD, UGLY, NAZI LOSER WHO SHOULD GO AND SLASH YOUR WRISTS AND PUT YOURSELF OUT OF YOUR FUCKING MISERY ONCE YOU'VE FINISHED EJACULATING OVER YOUR DACHAU VIDEOS" don't you understand?
― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 09:33 (twenty years ago)
― Bifidus Digestivum (Dada), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 09:35 (twenty years ago)
Ahem.
― Taste the Blood of Scrovula (noodle vague), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 09:35 (twenty years ago)
― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 09:36 (twenty years ago)
― Bifidus Digestivum (Dada), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 09:37 (twenty years ago)
― nono, Tuesday, 14 June 2005 09:38 (twenty years ago)
― Bifidus Digestivum (Dada), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 09:38 (twenty years ago)
Which was rather obvious because they didn't have music, just dancing. Note that this only goes for a limited Geographic part of Africa. Northern Africa certainly had music, and they also had a word for it.
― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 09:39 (twenty years ago)
― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 09:40 (twenty years ago)
― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 09:41 (twenty years ago)
― Bifidus Digestivum (Dada), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 09:41 (twenty years ago)
― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 09:42 (twenty years ago)
― nono, Tuesday, 14 June 2005 09:42 (twenty years ago)
― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 09:43 (twenty years ago)
― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 09:44 (twenty years ago)
― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 09:44 (twenty years ago)
― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 09:45 (twenty years ago)
― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 09:46 (twenty years ago)
― nono, Tuesday, 14 June 2005 09:47 (twenty years ago)
The skin colour doesn't matter. Music eminated from Europe. It may not have, but it coincidentally did. And the best music, regardless of the performer or composer's skin colour, still does.
― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 09:48 (twenty years ago)
― Bifidus Digestivum (Dada), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 09:48 (twenty years ago)
― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 09:48 (twenty years ago)
So as long as these ignorant savages learn to accept the superiority of our culture then they're OK
Our culture is not generally superior. And if our music is, it is just because people from other cultures haven't picked it up and started doing the same thing as us. (Plus the American culture is pretty much the same as ours anyway, and African American music is American)
― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 09:51 (twenty years ago)
― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 09:52 (twenty years ago)
― Bifidus Digestivum (Dada), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 09:52 (twenty years ago)
Actually, I disagree with almost everything you have ever said.
― Teh HoBB (the pirate king), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 09:53 (twenty years ago)
― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 09:53 (twenty years ago)
― Taste the Blood of Scrovula (noodle vague), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 09:53 (twenty years ago)
― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 09:54 (twenty years ago)
― Bifidus Digestivum (Dada), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 09:54 (twenty years ago)
Traditional music is usually inferior all over the world. Also in Europe. The best music has always been made by a small elite, such as classical music, for instance.
― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 09:55 (twenty years ago)
― Taste the Blood of Scrovula (noodle vague), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 09:56 (twenty years ago)
― Bifidus Digestivum (Dada), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 09:57 (twenty years ago)
― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 09:57 (twenty years ago)
― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 09:59 (twenty years ago)
― Taste the Blood of Scrovula (noodle vague), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 10:00 (twenty years ago)
― Bifidus Digestivum (Dada), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 10:01 (twenty years ago)
It isn't. The body is good for sex, sports and some kinds of work. The head is what should be used for art, and music is art.
― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 10:01 (twenty years ago)
― nono, Tuesday, 14 June 2005 10:03 (twenty years ago)
― Taste the Blood of Scrovula (noodle vague), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 10:04 (twenty years ago)
― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 10:04 (twenty years ago)
― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 10:09 (twenty years ago)
― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 10:16 (twenty years ago)
There is no such thing as bad music.
I thank you.
― mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 10:25 (twenty years ago)
― nono, Tuesday, 14 June 2005 10:27 (twenty years ago)
― mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 10:33 (twenty years ago)
-- mark grout (mark.grou...), June 14th, 2005.
Crazy Frog to thread.
― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 10:34 (twenty years ago)
I wish you hadn't done that above, it makes this thread a buggr to load now.
― mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 10:43 (twenty years ago)
― Bifidus Digestivum (Dada), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 10:46 (twenty years ago)
If someone asks you "Is it raining?" the best answer is the simplest. Yes or No.
If someone gives you a melodic, complicated and involved answer, that is not good.
If the question was "What are the likely weather patterns for the week", the latter answer would be better.
Neither answer type is inherantly bad, it all depends on the scenario its involved in.
Same goes for music.
― mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 10:48 (twenty years ago)
― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 10:52 (twenty years ago)
― mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 10:55 (twenty years ago)
― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 10:56 (twenty years ago)
Does that make it bad? No. There are other reasons.
― mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 11:03 (twenty years ago)
― Bifidus Digestivum (Dada), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 11:06 (twenty years ago)
― darin (darin), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 15:19 (twenty years ago)
― Frogm@n Henry, Tuesday, 14 June 2005 15:49 (twenty years ago)
ROTFLOLOMG!!!!
― J (Jay), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 15:53 (twenty years ago)
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Monday, 8 January 2007 16:43 (nineteen years ago)
― The Redd And The Blecch (Ken L), Monday, 8 January 2007 16:48 (nineteen years ago)
― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Monday, 8 January 2007 16:50 (nineteen years ago)
― R_S (RSLaRue), Monday, 8 January 2007 16:50 (nineteen years ago)
"Goodnight Vienna" !
Photograph! You're Sixteen! Devil Woman! Oh My My!
Maybe not that last one, although it has the best opening verse..
I phoned up my doctor To see what's the matter He said "come on over" I said "Do I have to?"
― mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 8 January 2007 16:51 (nineteen years ago)
― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Monday, 8 January 2007 16:52 (nineteen years ago)
"Oh My My" is pretty good, yeah. And "Early 1970" puts Paul's soggy "Here Today" shit to shame.
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Monday, 8 January 2007 16:55 (nineteen years ago)
― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Monday, 8 January 2007 17:00 (nineteen years ago)
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Monday, 8 January 2007 17:05 (nineteen years ago)
― The Redd And The Blecch (Ken L), Monday, 8 January 2007 17:06 (nineteen years ago)
― scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 8 January 2007 17:07 (nineteen years ago)
― The Redd And The Blecch (Ken L), Monday, 8 January 2007 17:08 (nineteen years ago)
― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Monday, 8 January 2007 17:12 (nineteen years ago)
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Monday, 8 January 2007 17:23 (nineteen years ago)
― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 8 January 2007 20:13 (nineteen years ago)
-- scott seward (skotro...) (webmail), June 13th, 2005 2:03 PM.
DOOD, listen to the Decca tapes and the take of "Love Me Do" recorded at Abbey Road with Best on Anthology 1!
― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Monday, 8 January 2007 20:48 (nineteen years ago)
― The Redd And The Blecch (Ken L), Monday, 8 January 2007 21:01 (nineteen years ago)
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 00:00 (nineteen years ago)
On the Decca tapes, he plays the same snare fill every time.
― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 00:20 (nineteen years ago)
― Zwan (miccio), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 00:38 (nineteen years ago)
― Hoosteen (Hoosteen), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 01:30 (nineteen years ago)
― The Redd And The Blecch (Ken L), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 02:42 (nineteen years ago)
― R_S (RSLaRue), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 03:50 (nineteen years ago)
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 03:56 (nineteen years ago)
― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 04:49 (nineteen years ago)
― The Redd And The Blecch (Ken L), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 05:08 (nineteen years ago)
― J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 07:57 (nineteen years ago)
― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 08:14 (nineteen years ago)
― mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 09:45 (nineteen years ago)
― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 09:52 (nineteen years ago)
1. Photograph2. It don't come easy3. Badge
what others? was "Wrack my brain" one?
― mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 09:56 (nineteen years ago)
― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 10:02 (nineteen years ago)
― mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 10:23 (nineteen years ago)
― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 10:31 (nineteen years ago)
questions. urgent. replies much appreciated.
: is anthology so far (on emg) any good? & : wot say you 'bout vertical man?
― t**t, Friday, 1 June 2007 19:42 (nineteen years ago)
what others?
BACK OFF BOOGALOO! Only a drummer coulda wrote that.
― bendy, Saturday, 2 June 2007 02:44 (nineteen years ago)
You mean, if a song sucks, then the song is likely to have been written by a drummer?
― Geir Hongro, Sunday, 3 June 2007 02:10 (eighteen years ago)
Are there songs, Geir, where the beat actually ruins it for you? Or is it inherent in songs that have a prominent beat that they will fall outside of your melody-uber-alles ruleset?
― bendy, Sunday, 3 June 2007 02:19 (eighteen years ago)
xpost "Back off Boogaloo" kicks ass!
― Doctor Casino, Sunday, 3 June 2007 02:19 (eighteen years ago)
What did you do with the money? What money? The money your mom gave you for singing lessons.
― billstevejim, Sunday, 3 June 2007 15:12 (eighteen years ago)
Was it easy writing "It Don't Come Easy?"
― billstevejim, Sunday, 3 June 2007 15:13 (eighteen years ago)
Back Off Boogaloo is rockin good fun.
― billstevejim, Sunday, 3 June 2007 15:19 (eighteen years ago)
Good lord @ this thread.
Anyway, I was just going to revive this so that Ringo's drumming can get some more respect in light of the Beatles remasters.
He's the best thing about A Day In The Life.
― Sickamous (Scik Mouthy), Thursday, 17 September 2009 09:25 (sixteen years ago)
I never understood the "lol ringo" biz until I heard "Rubber Soul", and felt there were places where the drumming seemed somewhat slack.
However, I have been in situations where the mixing of a track rendered the drumming as if off, so sometimes it's the surrounding instrumentation that can cause that.
― Mark G, Thursday, 17 September 2009 09:34 (sixteen years ago)
Was I the only one who thought:
1) "No more autographs" - Fair enough dude, you must have done a million up to now, right?2) "Don't call me by my stage name" - OK, again, I'm not yr best pal and that's fine. Did the other beatles call you Richie more? Just interested...
.. um, that's it.
― Mark G, Thursday, 17 September 2009 09:37 (sixteen years ago)
Ringo is obviously a great drummer, much better than George Martin thinks. But I still feel that he was a bit lucky to be in there with two (three) of maybe the biggest musical geniuses ever. There are better drummers than Ringo, but there are hardly any better songwriters than Paul McCartney.
― Tied Up In Geir (Geir Hongro), Thursday, 17 September 2009 10:18 (sixteen years ago)
^ cosign. kind of amazed at geir's ability to stay civil, sometimes
― thomp, Thursday, 17 September 2009 10:59 (sixteen years ago)
Indeed, but then I'm more amazed at the racism he's allowed to get away with too
― Aw naw, no' Annoni oan an' aw noo (Tom D.), Thursday, 17 September 2009 11:05 (sixteen years ago)
"allowed to get away with" Psshlol.
― Mark G, Thursday, 17 September 2009 11:07 (sixteen years ago)
He isn't?
― Aw naw, no' Annoni oan an' aw noo (Tom D.), Thursday, 17 September 2009 11:09 (sixteen years ago)
Has Geir ever posted any of this crap which is not challenged? i think, as long as we all continue to pull him up on it, no harm done. Just makes him look like a bit of a cock.
(BTW geir, no offence intended. you've got as much right to defend your musical opinions as anyone else, but do expect people to shout down completely unfounded & ignorant bollox like ...
plus they didd't actually have a word for music in Africa until the white man showed up, eh Geir?Which was rather obvious because they didn't have music, just dancing. Note that this only goes for a limited Geographic part of Africa. Northern Africa certainly had music, and they also had a word for it.― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 10:39 (4 years ago) Bookmark
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― tomofthenest, Thursday, 17 September 2009 11:31 (sixteen years ago)
That's the very one that got me at the time.
― Aw naw, no' Annoni oan an' aw noo (Tom D.), Thursday, 17 September 2009 11:33 (sixteen years ago)
When has George Martin dissed Ringo? He said he had a "super-steady" beat and had real personality -- you could distinguish Ringo's drumming from anyone else's.
― vulva eyes (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 17 September 2009 12:02 (sixteen years ago)
would anyone have ever heard of lennon without mccartney, or vice versa? seems strange to call out ringo on the same terms.
― What are the benefits of dating a younger guy, better erections? (darraghmac), Thursday, 17 September 2009 12:04 (sixteen years ago)
Yeah, I was wondering about that too. Unless he means when George Martin got a session guy to play on the first single? (xp)
― Aw naw, no' Annoni oan an' aw noo (Tom D.), Thursday, 17 September 2009 12:04 (sixteen years ago)
Top 10 Ringo drummings in The Beatles;
1. Rain2. A Day In The Life3. She Said She Said4. Tomorrow Never Knows5. Strawberry Fields Forever6. Paperback Writer7. Helter Skelter8. Ticket To Ride9. Happiness Is A Warm Gun10. The End
― Sickamous (Scik Mouthy), Thursday, 17 September 2009 12:22 (sixteen years ago)
Who plays cowbell on "Monkey?"
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 17 September 2009 12:26 (sixteen years ago)
Yoko
― Aw naw, no' Annoni oan an' aw noo (Tom D.), Thursday, 17 September 2009 12:28 (sixteen years ago)
^ as if
Apparently it's a fire bell. And any one of the four could have played it (the sessionlog just has all four down as "percussion" amongst their usual instruments)
― Mark G, Thursday, 17 September 2009 12:46 (sixteen years ago)
So it's either Ringo or Paul, basically
― Aw naw, no' Annoni oan an' aw noo (Tom D.), Thursday, 17 September 2009 12:47 (sixteen years ago)
geir sort of makes me regret that it's so hard to ban people from the internets.
also, ringo is an excellent drummer! i'm often listening to beatles tunes and i think, "geez, that's a sweet drum fill." seriously.
― amateurist, Thursday, 17 September 2009 16:58 (sixteen years ago)
Cosign - some totally idiosyncratic ass-backward drum fills to be found out there. Nick's list is pretty right-on too.
― Random trolling, brutal snubs, darted zings & decisive bans (Myonga Vön Bontee), Thursday, 17 September 2009 17:26 (sixteen years ago)
the whole thing that mystifies me about "Oh the beatles carried poor ringo all those years" is that...well if he's such a fucking bad drummer and couldn't play...why the hell did both Lennon AND Harrison go get him to play on both Plastic Ono Band and All Things Must Pass...because they just wanted to give the sad little millinaire something to do?
the whole idea is stupid he's a fantastic drummer.
― scared of gaucho (M@tt He1ges0n), Thursday, 17 September 2009 17:35 (sixteen years ago)
also forgot marcello on full crazy mode was something to behold
― scared of gaucho (M@tt He1ges0n), Thursday, 17 September 2009 17:37 (sixteen years ago)
the whole thing that mystifies me about "Oh the beatles carried poor ringo all those years" is that...well if he's such a fucking bad drummer and couldn't play...why the hell did both Lennon AND Harrison go get him to play on both Plastic Ono Band and All Things Must Pass...because they just wanted to give the sad little millinaire something to do
Out of friendship? You're right – Lennon and Harrison did think he was a superb drummer – but Lennon also did admit that he wrote songs for Harrison and Starr "to give them a piece of the action." Which is to say: even if Ringo had sucked, Lennon would still have asked him to drum.
― vulva eyes (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 17 September 2009 17:38 (sixteen years ago)
i'm sure at least part of it was Lennon thought it was fun to write for Ringo's voice and style?
― Mr. Que, Thursday, 17 September 2009 17:41 (sixteen years ago)
really? man i dunno...i was reading this ono band era interview with lennon and they asked him about ringo and he said that ringo was the only drummer he could fully get in synch with...(in this interview he was at the height of sorta post beatles bitterness, he's real salty) and that the only thing he missed about the beatles was having dudes where he could just raise and eyebrow and they'd just know where to go with thim
anyway the impression was that he asked ringo to drum cuz he felt it was best and that he got over his feelings about wanting to get away from all things beatles incl. ringo
― scared of gaucho (M@tt He1ges0n), Thursday, 17 September 2009 17:41 (sixteen years ago)
^(this is in ref. to ono band, not him writing for ringo during the beatles)
― scared of gaucho (M@tt He1ges0n), Thursday, 17 September 2009 17:42 (sixteen years ago)
You're not wrong.
― vulva eyes (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 17 September 2009 17:42 (sixteen years ago)
I don't think Lennon or Harrison had any problems with Ringo's abilities, not sure how the other guy felt
― Aw naw, no' Annoni oan an' aw noo (Tom D.), Thursday, 17 September 2009 18:13 (sixteen years ago)
xpost - Any "best of Ringo" list that doesn't include all the shit he does on side 2 of Abbey Road is highly suspect. It's got his only solo for crying out loud.
― Nate Carson, Thursday, 17 September 2009 20:13 (sixteen years ago)
I did mention that; The End's in my list.
― Sickamous (Scik Mouthy), Thursday, 17 September 2009 20:57 (sixteen years ago)
I don't know how much is studio tomfoolery but the drums on Strawberry Fields are pretty epic.
― Lie Bot, Thursday, 17 September 2009 21:09 (sixteen years ago)
― Horace Silver Machine (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 17 September 2009 22:07 (sixteen years ago)
From the Playboy interviews, 1980:
PLAYBOY: Did you ever ask Ringo to play for your albums?
LENNON: Well, he played on Imagine and he playe don Plastic Ono Band.
PLAYBOY: The same reason?
LENNON: Friendship. And I know how he drums! He drums good, so when I want that kinda drumming, he's the one to ask.
― vulva eyes (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 17 September 2009 22:10 (sixteen years ago)
PM: Best drummer in the world? He's not even the best drummer in the Beatles!
I thought it was Lennon that said this
― Hat Trick Swayze (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 17 September 2009 22:21 (sixteen years ago)
Didn't Lennon use Jim Keltner far more often? There's of course no way I'd put Ringo on tier with Keltner, which lends credence to the "he's my buddy" theory.
Anyway, Ringo was perfect for the Beatles, but his greatness lies almost exclusively in that context, especially compared to such contemporaries as Mick Avory or Charlie Watts, among others.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 17 September 2009 22:31 (sixteen years ago)
Also, if you check a lot of those Beatles logs, a lot of the trickier Ringo parts are overdub-a-rific, especially those early shuffles (like "Act Naturally").
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 17 September 2009 22:32 (sixteen years ago)
Even his solo in "The End" was stitched together from many takes.
― vulva eyes (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 17 September 2009 22:34 (sixteen years ago)
There's of course no way I'd put Ringo on tier with Keltner
lolz have you seen them drumming in lockstep, side-by-side at the Concert for Bangladesh...? Keltner lasted longer with Lennon but I think that had more to do with Lennon moving to LA and doing so much recording there.
― Hat Trick Swayze (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 17 September 2009 22:36 (sixteen years ago)
(I'm totally guessing about that tho - based entirely on my possibly faulty memory that Ringo isn't on any of Lennon's LA period stuff)
― Hat Trick Swayze (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 17 September 2009 22:38 (sixteen years ago)
PM: Best drummer in the world? He's not even the best drummer in the Beatles!I thought it was Lennon that said this
Some master logicians deduce from the fact that Ringo was not Buddy Rich that he couldn't keep time, which is a fallacy.
Some more links: http://web2.airmail.net/gshultz/drumpage.htmlhttp://www.drummerworld.com/forums/showthread.php?t=382
― Horace Silver Machine (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 18 September 2009 00:16 (sixteen years ago)
Top 10 Ringo drummings in The Beatles;1. Rain2. A Day In The Life3. She Said She Said4. Tomorrow Never Knows5. Strawberry Fields Forever6. Paperback Writer7. Helter Skelter8. Ticket To Ride9. Happiness Is A Warm Gun10. The End― Sickamous (Scik Mouthy),
― Sickamous (Scik Mouthy),
― Horace Silver Machine (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 18 September 2009 00:18 (sixteen years ago)
Alfred, you are always ready to believe anything bad anyone circulates about George or Ringo. What is your source for this?
You must have trouble reading, as my posts upthread endorse Ringo, and I'm the author of this thread:
It Don't POLL Easy: The Ringo Starr Singles thread
My source for this info on "The End" is Geoff Emerick's account of the recording of Abbey Road; if he's lying, please call me out. Besides, stitching instrumental parts from different stakes has been a part of rock and roll since...oh, The Beatles. It's no diss.
― vulva eyes (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 18 September 2009 00:21 (sixteen years ago)
*takes
― vulva eyes (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 18 September 2009 00:22 (sixteen years ago)
You must have trouble reading
― Horace Silver Machine (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 18 September 2009 00:30 (sixteen years ago)
Oh, and I wasn't accusing you of being the Buddy Rich-loving Ringo-hating master logician, that was aimed at some other strawman.
― Garnet Memes (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 18 September 2009 00:43 (sixteen years ago)
And anyway, everyone knows Adam Clayton is the luckiest man evah.― gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra)
― Garnet Memes (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 18 September 2009 00:47 (sixteen years ago)
Yeah, Michael Clarke was a mess. One of those rare instances where the naysayers were totally right.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 18 September 2009 00:50 (sixteen years ago)
"I did mention that; The End's in my list."
Duly noted. Statement retracted. You really expected me to read your WHOLE list? ;)
― Nate Carson, Friday, 18 September 2009 01:33 (sixteen years ago)
wow @ the geoff emerick book stuff. i mean i knew it was full of inaccuracies but god help us.
― piscesx, Friday, 18 September 2009 02:35 (sixteen years ago)
Yeah, was gonna say, that book is 'unreliable', many stories told that got "But you weren't there!" responses from other people.
also "Not even the best drummer in the beatles": Paul sent the card when that story broke, and has always denied saying it.
― Mark G, Friday, 18 September 2009 06:57 (sixteen years ago)
Which, oddly enough, didn't prevent him/them from besting the studio version in concert:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=58Amodaf-g8
― Matt Weston, Friday, 18 September 2009 07:19 (sixteen years ago)
A friend once owned a book that supposedly itemized every Beatle's instrumental contribution to every song, and it asserted that Paul played that "The End" drum solo himself. But it couldn't be taken seriously at all, it was full of inaccuracies. (Among other things, a claim that George used a wah-wah on "Yes It Is" - recorded two years before the pedal even existed.)
― Random trolling, brutal snubs, darted zings & decisive bans (Myonga Vön Bontee), Friday, 18 September 2009 07:25 (sixteen years ago)
Hah..that Wah Wah claim is picked up in the NME special issue with all the Beatle album reviews. I was wondering where it came from.
Some good writing in that NME issue. I liked the review of Hard Days Night
― Bob Six, Friday, 18 September 2009 07:32 (sixteen years ago)
Yeah, done by cunning application of the volume knob.
― Mark G, Friday, 18 September 2009 08:41 (sixteen years ago)
McCartney shows up by surprise to play "Birthday" for Ringo on Ringo's 70th during an All-Starr Band performance at Radio City. Poor Ringo blows a few drum fills, but still - the man is spry for 70!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5sgVi88SXU
― Phil D., Thursday, 8 July 2010 22:42 (fifteen years ago)
He didn't blow any drum fills... because he didn't attempt any.
Fun performance.
― Dodo Lurker (Slim and Slam), Friday, 9 July 2010 11:50 (fifteen years ago)
he's not even the luckiest drummer in the Beatles!
― Snop Snitchin, Friday, 9 July 2010 16:28 (fifteen years ago)
^^^lol
― Master of the Manly Ballad (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 9 July 2010 16:38 (fifteen years ago)
sad to learn he's a nazi though
― elephant rob, Friday, 9 July 2010 21:28 (fifteen years ago)
?
― Darin, Friday, 9 July 2010 21:54 (fifteen years ago)
or perhaps I misread that giant block of text upthread?
― elephant rob, Friday, 9 July 2010 22:58 (fifteen years ago)
i think it's a sort of juvenile iconoclastic sarcasm he's going for....are you perchance a Millenial, Rob? Ten to one he is
― iago g., Friday, 9 July 2010 23:03 (fifteen years ago)
oops, sorry Rob
― iago g., Friday, 9 July 2010 23:05 (fifteen years ago)
whoah forgot this was the Geir meltdown thread
― Master of the Manly Ballad (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 9 July 2010 23:05 (fifteen years ago)
I heard Zach Galifinakos or Sarah Silverman deadpanning that
― iago g., Friday, 9 July 2010 23:06 (fifteen years ago)
ha, no need to apologize! that was born of pure friday afternoon work boredom--it was admittedly weird of me to read this entire thread and then make a joke several years after the fact. Though now I have a new joke for whenever someone brings up a revered musical figure irl...
― elephant rob, Friday, 9 July 2010 23:15 (fifteen years ago)
wow, the quality of mercy is not strained! i appreciate your understanding...it does have a kind of non sequitur-ish drollness about it (lennon may have approved)
― iago g., Friday, 9 July 2010 23:16 (fifteen years ago)
happy bday Ringo your fills on "Drive My Car" crack me up
― a man is only a guy (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 7 July 2011 17:16 (fourteen years ago)
Wow, I think this thread is the most riled I've ever seen Geir get.
― jaymc, Thursday, 7 July 2011 17:33 (fourteen years ago)
lol yeah
he told me to fuck off once when I called him a nazi, I think that was some other thread
― a man is only a guy (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 7 July 2011 17:41 (fourteen years ago)
this thread's more like a Marcello meltdown
― a man is only a guy (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 7 July 2011 17:44 (fourteen years ago)
This thread was a good tickler, just requested the "Photograph" compilation from the library (it's the updated version of "Blast From Your Past").
― Gerald McBoing-Boing, Thursday, 7 July 2011 19:53 (fourteen years ago)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=raHA3pzB2Kk
― polyphonic, Wednesday, 13 November 2013 20:00 (twelve years ago)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?&v=raHA3pzB2Kk
:(
― polyphonic, Wednesday, 13 November 2013 20:01 (twelve years ago)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=raHA3pzB2Kk
― Pazz & Jop 1280 (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 13 November 2013 20:36 (twelve years ago)
ITT: James Redd Tells You Why Your Youtube Embeds Sometimes Fail, Before He Forgets
― Pazz & Jop 1280 (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 13 November 2013 21:16 (twelve years ago)
After reading the new Lewisohn book, I'm beginning to think John, Paul and George were the lucky ones for being able to snag Liverpool's best drummer just when their careers would've been stopped short without him.
(I didn't know until reading this that, when they recorded with Tony Sheridan in Hamburg, Bert Kaempfert was so aghast at how shitty Pete Best was that he took away half his set, leaving him with a snare, hi-hat and crash cymbal.)
― Ian from Etobicoke (Phil D.), Wednesday, 13 November 2013 21:28 (twelve years ago)
Haven't dug into the new book yet, but yeah, based on what I've read about it, absolutely nobody defends (or could defend) Pete's drumming. He was basically brought on board because he had a drum set, a van, and a mom who ran a club.
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Wednesday, 13 November 2013 21:32 (twelve years ago)
pete's mom was the best
― pplains, Wednesday, 13 November 2013 21:37 (twelve years ago)
pete best's own book about his time with the beatles is pretty good (and sad), as i recall.
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Wednesday, 13 November 2013 21:45 (twelve years ago)
http://i.imgur.com/m5L7Rxa.jpg
― ᶓ͠סּᴥ͠סּᶔ ᶓͼ᷆ₓͼ᷇ᶔ (gr8080), Wednesday, 13 November 2013 21:51 (twelve years ago)
The drummer means nothing. Mozart was the biggest musical genius ever and he never had a drummer.― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 09:23 (8 years ago) Permalink
http://geekosity.files.wordpress.com/2011/12/beethoven-on-bubble-gum-cards1.gif
― Doctor Casino, Wednesday, 13 November 2013 22:01 (twelve years ago)
I'm looking forward to watching that "Ringo" special! Thanks!
Ringo directed the T-Rex movie, "Born to Boogie", which is unsurprisingly a horrible movie (except for all the performances, which are most of the movie anyways). I watched that again w some friends earlier this year and Ringo became sort of an inside joke cos for the next few weeks he would just constantly show up in random videos and stuff. He took the photos for the cover of "The Slider".
Also yeah his drumming on both the Plastic Ono Band LPs is amazing. Never really listened to his solo albums. At the moment he's my favorite Beatle cos he seems the most working-class and the least pretentious. He's probably heard "oh he's not really good he's the luckiest person ever" plenty of times. He quit the band during the White Album cos he thought he was no good, so he'd probably heard plenty of it by then.
― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 13 November 2013 22:06 (twelve years ago)
judas priest's british steel was recorded at his house. also, he is a great drummer.
― i play too fast (which is the sign of an amateur) (fact checking cuz), Wednesday, 13 November 2013 22:25 (twelve years ago)
Ringo's drumming on the early Beatles recordings sound much better than Pete Best's, but I've always thought it an unfair comparison - a younger, less experienced Pete vs. an older, more experienced Ringo.
As far as lucky drummers go in the Beatles' era, I'd go with Michael Clarke. Unlike some upthread, I have no issue with his drumming - I've never listened to a Byrds song and thought "if only they had a decent drummer, this would be a great track". He's perfectly adequate imo, but he'd be unknown had it not been for the immense talents of each of his four bandmates.
― Lee626, Wednesday, 13 November 2013 22:58 (twelve years ago)
Top 10 Ringo drummings in The Beatles;1. Rain2. A Day In The Life3. She Said She Said4. Tomorrow Never Knows5. Strawberry Fields Forever6. Paperback Writer7. Helter Skelter8. Ticket To Ride9. Happiness Is A Warm Gun10. The End
great list, i was just looking for a thread where i could express how much ringo's drum part in "ticket to ride" rules
i would add "all my loving" and "you won't see me"
― flamenco blorf (BradNelson), Sunday, 3 June 2018 00:29 (seven years ago)
In My Life and Come Together.
― Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Sunday, 3 June 2018 01:17 (seven years ago)
yep
― flamenco blorf (BradNelson), Sunday, 3 June 2018 01:28 (seven years ago)
always loved his part on baby you're a rich man
― 808s & Deep States (voodoo chili), Sunday, 3 June 2018 04:30 (seven years ago)
Love the Ticket to Ride pattern until he slips into 4/4 for the second verse...I mean, it must be deliberate
― Master of Treacle, Sunday, 3 June 2018 05:51 (seven years ago)
Michael Clarke was a solid backbeat drummer who should never have taken a fill, fucked his time up
― Master of Treacle, Sunday, 3 June 2018 05:53 (seven years ago)
Xp third verse
― Master of Treacle, Sunday, 3 June 2018 05:59 (seven years ago)
The 'Ticket to Ride' pattern is basically the early version of the 'Tomorrow Never Knows' pattern!
― Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Sunday, 3 June 2018 06:44 (seven years ago)
Apparently Paul came up with both
― albvivertine, Sunday, 3 June 2018 07:09 (seven years ago)
Wouldn't surprise me.
Anyway, for me a fair bit of Ringo's best drumming is on the pre-Rubber Soul stuff. 'It Won't Be Long' wouldn't be the same without Ringo at the back driving it. 'She Loves You', too.
― Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Sunday, 3 June 2018 07:20 (seven years ago)
Ringo's best drumming track with the Beatles was the keyboard-and-drums duet version of "Your Mother Should Know" released on Anthology 2.
― SlimAndSlam, Sunday, 3 June 2018 15:58 (seven years ago)
Will have to give that one another listen
― omgneto and ittanium mayne (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 3 June 2018 15:58 (seven years ago)
"All I've Got to Do"
― timellison, Sunday, 3 June 2018 16:04 (seven years ago)
Appropriated by the Flamin' Groovies on their song "Yes It Is" from Shake Some Action
― timellison, Sunday, 3 June 2018 16:11 (seven years ago)
Ringo is great mostly because the Beatles are great and he does nothing to make them worse. That's luck for you. Otherwise, afaict, there's nothing I would ever listen to simply because Ringo plays on it. Which is not the case for most other great drummers.
― Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 3 June 2018 16:33 (seven years ago)
It doesn't matter to me that I've never listened to a record specifically because Ringo was on it. You can be great and not spectacular. My best illustration of Ringo's importance has long been the Anthology 1 take of "Please Please Me" with Andy White where it sounds like a Freddie and the Dreamers record.
― timellison, Sunday, 3 June 2018 17:05 (seven years ago)
(Or something. My apologies to Bernie Dwyer if he's not the comparison I'm looking for.)
― timellison, Sunday, 3 June 2018 17:08 (seven years ago)
tim otm
― flamenco blorf (BradNelson), Sunday, 3 June 2018 17:09 (seven years ago)
when I heard "Sour Milk Sea" for the first time last month, I thought, 'Oh man, who's drumming?'
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 3 June 2018 17:13 (seven years ago)
I’ve listened to “Rain” a lotta times just to hear Ringo
― droit au butt (Euler), Sunday, 3 June 2018 17:13 (seven years ago)
There is no doubt that Ringo was perfect for the Beatles. That's what makes him great (and the band lucky). The thought experiment is whether the Beatles would (or could) have been better with someone else. Probably not. See also: most great bands.
― Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 3 June 2018 17:32 (seven years ago)
For that matter, a case could be made that Ringo was great for proving that you did not have to be terribly good to be terrifically great.
― Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 3 June 2018 17:33 (seven years ago)
ringo got to be the drummer for the beatles because he was the best rock 'n roll drummer in liverpool, and therefore very probably the best rock 'n roll drummer in the world, in 1962. hard to attribute that to "luck".
― Arch Bacon (rushomancy), Sunday, 3 June 2018 17:55 (seven years ago)
rushomancy otm.The solo albums tell the story: John and George could’ve gotten literally any drummer in the world to play on their first post-Beatles records — who would turn down that offer? And both chose Ringo.
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Sunday, 3 June 2018 18:47 (seven years ago)
Isn't Ringo one of several drummers on All Things Must Pass, including the aforementioned Alan White, and Jim Gordon, and others?
― Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 3 June 2018 18:51 (seven years ago)
I do like ringo on plastic Ono band, he is perfectly suited it.
― Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 3 June 2018 18:52 (seven years ago)
Yeah thank you rushomancy. Also there are little fills and things he does that are great and distinctive. I'd never hassle The Searchers' or The Easybeats' drummers (or whoevers'), but Ringo was unusually good.
Xpost All Things is long and in 70s session musician years, tho. Or close enough
― albvivertine, Sunday, 3 June 2018 18:55 (seven years ago)
Ugh misplaced apostrophe, soz
― albvivertine, Sunday, 3 June 2018 18:56 (seven years ago)
that's a different debate we must have had at some point though isn't it? Was Ringo the best rock drummer in the world in 1964? Or did it just help that the Beatles were the best band of the world? I mean, Earl Palmer was better I think.
― Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 3 June 2018 18:58 (seven years ago)
Andy White is different drummer:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andy_White_(drummer)
― timellison, Sunday, 3 June 2018 18:58 (seven years ago)
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Sunday, 3 June 2018 19:10 (seven years ago)
― Josh in Chicago
sure, i'll give you earl palmer as a better rock drummer. when i say "rock drummer" i'm kind of implicitly excluding session guys, somebody available to be a full-time member of a touring rock and roll band. but no, it's not just the beatles were "the best band in the world". they didn't emerge out of a vacuum. they spent five years learning to perform in a city that had an unusually strong and robust rock and roll concert scene. by the end of that five years, they had established their musical bona fides. they had their pick of rock and roll drummers. ringo was the one they picked. they went to, honestly, considerable lengths to get him in the band, because he was already a member of a popular full-time touring group. in 1962, ringo wasn't the "weak link", he was the better drummer they needed to get their sound to where it needed to be.
(Ringo was also the first Beatle to quit, in 1968. They worked to get him back in the band then, too.)
― Arch Bacon (rushomancy), Sunday, 3 June 2018 19:36 (seven years ago)
Didn't George at least kinda quit in 1966?
― albvivertine, Sunday, 3 June 2018 19:39 (seven years ago)
Fuck all that Beatles shit, this exchange was slept on...
All this mind/body dualism is unhealthy. You should read some Spinoza. He was a big Hip Hop fan.― Taste the Blood of Scrovula (noodle vague), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 10:00 (twelve years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink... why do you think he was called Spinoza, he was a wizard on those decks― Bifidus Digestivum (Dada), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 10:01 (twelve years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― Poisoned by Johan's pea soup. (Tom D.), Sunday, 3 June 2018 19:40 (seven years ago)
what served Ringo and the band so well was not a particular skill but an impeccable sense of time. Considering nobody could hear anything it was vital that his drums stayed simple and in time. Which they were.
― Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 3 June 2018 19:47 (seven years ago)
― albvivertine
did he? i know he quit in '69. he may have pushed hard for them to stop touring, but after the marcos debacle i'm not persuaded that was a particularly hard sell!
― Arch Bacon (rushomancy), Sunday, 3 June 2018 19:48 (seven years ago)
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Sunday, 3 June 2018 20:36 (seven years ago)
I shook his hand and thanked him "for the music" once. I am the luckiest man in the world.
― Acid Hose (Capitaine Jay Vee), Sunday, 3 June 2018 20:40 (seven years ago)
Talked about elsewhere I'm sure, but one of the revelations of the most recent Lewisohn book is that Ringo was born left handed and, like many in his generation, more or less had it beat out of him ... which is how the Beatles got their name.
― Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 3 June 2018 20:41 (seven years ago)
But seriously, that's a theory behind how he got his slightly awkward loose groove thing going.
― Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 3 June 2018 20:42 (seven years ago)
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Sunday, 3 June 2018 20:53 (seven years ago)
Lucky to be greathttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=m76KOirLmIw
― Scape: Goat-fired like a dog! (Myonga Vön Bontee), Sunday, 3 June 2018 21:20 (seven years ago)
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=m76KOirLmIw
― Scape: Goat-fired like a dog! (Myonga Vön Bontee), Sunday, 3 June 2018 21:22 (seven years ago)
argh
― Scape: Goat-fired like a dog! (Myonga Vön Bontee), Sunday, 3 June 2018 21:23 (seven years ago)
How can people be so arghless
― omgneto and ittanium mayne (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 3 June 2018 21:28 (seven years ago)
what's the origin of the rumour that Ringo was not a good drummer?
― niels, Sunday, 3 June 2018 21:33 (seven years ago)
Re: MVB’s link, not for nothing did George Martin initially consider making the Beatles’ first album a live recording from the Cavern. As it happened, the cost and hassle of moving extremely heavy and expensive EMI equipment up to Liverpool, combined with the Cavern’s shaky electricity situation (touching the sweat on the walls could result in a mild shock), mooted that as a possibility.
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Sunday, 3 June 2018 21:38 (seven years ago)
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Sunday, 3 June 2018 21:44 (seven years ago)
In the end it's all about time, and his time is impeccable, so I would never call him a "bad" drummer. Like the Edge and U2, Ringo would be my first pick for any Beatles cover band.
I have always wondered why post-Beatles Ringo live so often paired with another drummer? Even when doing his own stuff.
― Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 3 June 2018 21:51 (seven years ago)
Yeah I guess wrt to George it was a case of "I'm out if we keep touring" rather than a full on "I quit". Not so far from Ringo being sick of the unpleasantness of the White Album sessions.
― albvivertine, Sunday, 3 June 2018 22:20 (seven years ago)
Xpost possibly bc he was drunk
― albvivertine, Sunday, 3 June 2018 22:21 (seven years ago)
I'd rather listen to solo'd Ringo Starr drum tracks vs. the very same of Charlie fucking Watts.
― Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Sunday, 3 June 2018 22:55 (seven years ago)
I have always wondered why post-Beatles Ringo live so often paired with another drummer? Even when doing his own stuff.Bcz he puts together showbands, not a rock group.
― we used to get our kicks reading surfing MAGAzines (sic), Sunday, 3 June 2018 23:02 (seven years ago)
the 12 year old Marcello/geir beef itt is fukkin wild
― The Desus & Mero Chain (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Sunday, 3 June 2018 23:56 (seven years ago)
why does this thread exist?
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 3 June 2018 23:59 (seven years ago)
my guess is that at this point in his life ringo still enjoys singing a bit but doesn't really have the energy to drum every night with a band.
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Monday, 4 June 2018 00:14 (seven years ago)
I don't have much of an opinion about Ringo's drumming that no one's heard before but I just saw that video of the Backbeat band (incl Greg Dulli as Lennon, Thurston Moore, Mike Mills, and Dave Grohl on drums) playing "Helter Skelter" and tbh I'd probably have more fun seeing that band in action than the actual Beatles
― Simon H., Monday, 4 June 2018 01:34 (seven years ago)
lol i love the backbeat band
― flamenco blorf (BradNelson), Monday, 4 June 2018 01:35 (seven years ago)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFzL0X9pLNA
Lol it's like if the Beatles had 5 guitars.
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 4 June 2018 02:29 (seven years ago)
I get the whole swing / feel argument, but if you listen to Rain - often credited as a moment of his greatness - it just gets painful as you drum along. The timing is horrendous. You're willing him to keep time. He can't complete a fill in normal time, and it fucks the whole song up. So I'm not sure about the "right drummer for the song" thing. I love the idea of Rain, and hate listening to it, because all I can hear is the weird lags and badly timed fills. The rest of the song could be so... gliding. He has no concept of glide. His instincts are bad. And that matters more than chops.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cK5G8fPmWeA
― paulhw, Monday, 4 June 2018 03:11 (seven years ago)
Rain is a weird one to pick, because I have no idea who or what he was playing along with. Slowed down, etc.
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 4 June 2018 03:30 (seven years ago)
In a nine-and-a-half measure verse (as in the second verse of "Rain"), is there a place where Ringo could have started and stopped the fills that would have been more proper?
― timellison, Monday, 4 June 2018 03:38 (seven years ago)
What do you mean, Josh?
― timellison, Monday, 4 June 2018 03:39 (seven years ago)
And of course my second question to Paul would be, if there are, why do I want these starting and ending points to be more proper?
― timellison, Monday, 4 June 2018 03:41 (seven years ago)
Man, McCartney's triplets on the second chorus of "Rain" are really cool.
― timellison, Monday, 4 June 2018 03:51 (seven years ago)
wow i don’t agree with paul at all
― flamenco blorf (BradNelson), Monday, 4 June 2018 03:58 (seven years ago)
but i’m a super amateurish drummer so idk
sorry for bumping this thread and jump starting an inevitable argument about ringo’s ability
― flamenco blorf (BradNelson), Monday, 4 June 2018 04:01 (seven years ago)
You know what, I've always been mystified by the acclaim for Ringo's drumming on "Rain" - his fills are way behind the beat there. There must have been some sort of issue with tape speed - or maybe they were going for out-of-time fills on purpose - because he doesn't play like that on any other songs; normally his fills are in time. But his sense of timing in general is pretty eccentric - not bad, just fucking different from most drummers'. Which is why I've never gotten the "his timing was impeccable" dimension of Ringo praise/apologism in general. And yet I don't agree with paulhw's conclusion at all - his instincts on every other song are terrific; Ringo was a better song-drummer than almost anybody at the time. By which I mean he always played to the song - he knew how to punctuate the lyrics, how to bring out the dynamics between different sections, how to underline and add exclamation points to the best parts and to each member's performance. More than anyone in the band but Paul he understood how to turn a great song into a great performance, a great record.
― It's like an Christian pop (thewufs), Monday, 4 June 2018 07:05 (seven years ago)
That's very otm. Re time, I have no particular reference for saying it, but I think the comments people often assume are about Ringo's great time, are actually about his absolute consistency. He's not a metronome, but if you listen to the session tapes for the albums, take after take after take he plays with exactly the same tempo, feel and rhythm, meaning you could splice takes without having to speed correct or whatever. Of course many drummers play to click tracks these days, but he achieved the same thing without a reference.
― startled macropod (MatthewK), Monday, 4 June 2018 07:25 (seven years ago)
he was the best rock 'n roll drummer in liverpool, and therefore very probably the best rock 'n roll drummer in the worldis this a joke or am I missing smth, surely the best drummer would be American?
― niels, Monday, 4 June 2018 09:15 (seven years ago)
'Rain' is not the first track I'd use as a great example of Ringo's drumming - for me, that would be either 'Tomorrow Never Knows' or 'She Said She Said', which I think is a fine bit of drumming. The drumming on 'Rain' is meant to sound fucked up - as has already been pointed out, he doesn't play like that on any other songs.
Contrast this with Charlie Watts, a guy who seemed incapable of playing a fill without fluffing it, who allegedly has jazz chops but couldn't grasp the rhythm to 'Ventilator Blues' and has this general lumpen feel to his playing - almost like his hands (and quite possibly the drum skins) are covered in treacle. I remember reading a thread over at the retirement home (the Hoffman boards) where loads of rapidly aging boomers were falling over themselves to praise his playing, which I guess proves that even so-called audiophiles don't have a fucking clue.
― Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Monday, 4 June 2018 11:27 (seven years ago)
xp yes, who can forget the great American Invasion of the 1960s
― 808s & Deep States (voodoo chili), Monday, 4 June 2018 12:46 (seven years ago)
Yeah, Watts is a bit of a mystery to me. Unlike, say, Mick Avory, who totally swings and is super creative. (But who was still often replaced in the studio early on.)
xpost (I guess) I mean that lots of aspects of "Rain" are manipulated or slowed down, but not the drums (I don't think). So I don't know what Ringo was listening to or hearing when he did his take, and I don't know if that ultimately had anything to do with how his drums fit/sit in the final product.
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 4 June 2018 12:47 (seven years ago)
Watts is a fine drummer. Calling him a genius is as fucked up as calling Kanye one.
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 4 June 2018 12:48 (seven years ago)
I think Watts came into his own later on when he reached wind up monkey mode. Around when he started leaving out the hi-hat every time he hit the snare. Late '70s, maybe?
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 4 June 2018 12:49 (seven years ago)
Again, where would be the normal place for the fills to start and end in the second verse of "Rain?"
― timellison, Monday, 4 June 2018 12:58 (seven years ago)
Because it does not maintain a normal four beats per bar.
― timellison, Monday, 4 June 2018 13:01 (seven years ago)
I think Watts came into his own later on when he reached wind up monkey mode. Around when he started leaving out the hi-hat every time he hit the snare. Late '70s, maybe?― Josh in Chicago, Monday, June 4, 2018 12:49 PM (thirteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, June 4, 2018 12:49 PM (thirteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
He was still appalling even in "wind up monkey mode", when he'd decided to keep the fills that he couldn't pull off to a minimum and stick with the one beat he's halfway decent at.
― Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Monday, 4 June 2018 13:11 (seven years ago)
I completely agree on Mick Avory though, absolutely fantastic drummer. Particularly love his work on 'Everybody's Gonna Be Happy' ...
― Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Monday, 4 June 2018 13:12 (seven years ago)
Avory certainly had his moments of greatness, but had a tendency to slow down, especially live. Mitch Mitchell would do that, too, starting around early/mid-'68 or so, and it's so annoying. And Watts, but only on "Get Off My Cloud" -- apart from that song, his tendency is to speed up (compare the tempo at the end of "Honky Tonk Women" to the tempo at the beginning). Speeding up is fine, though.
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Monday, 4 June 2018 13:43 (seven years ago)
Yeah, I think that most live bands that aren't playing to a click have a tendency to gradually speed up - it's a natural reaction to the adrenaline rush that kicks in when a band are just getting off on playing, or the energy being fed back to them by the audience etc. I've no problem with that and I don't get why it should be a problem, provided you don't notice them speeding up. 'Monkey Man' ends a hell of a lot faster than it starts, but the speeding up is that gradual that it's only when I do an A-B comparison of the tempos at the beginning and end do I notice it's there. The slowdown on 'Get Off My Cloud' is annoying, though - and I can't say I've spent much time with Kinks live recordings, but Avory's work on the studio stuff is generally great.
― Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Monday, 4 June 2018 14:43 (seven years ago)
The drums on "Rain" are slowed down. The whole rhythm section is which is why it sounds thunderous.
― EZ Snappin, Monday, 4 June 2018 14:59 (seven years ago)
and I can't say I've spent much time with Kinks live recordings, but Avory's work on the studio stuff is generally great.
I think Avory's done great stuff in the studio. I may be overstating his tendency to slow down, but this clip really annoys me, as it's an interesting new arrangement that he drags down:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3nvJ2hmaUI
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Monday, 4 June 2018 15:03 (seven years ago)
Raise your hand if you knew Ringo was designing furniture in 1971.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tvM5XL5xAts
― bookmarkflaglink (Darin), Thursday, 7 July 2022 16:18 (three years ago)
My favorite Ringo impression:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ddIXGy1e2VE
― birdistheword, Thursday, 7 July 2022 17:08 (three years ago)
Well, wasn’t expecting this but the album he’s done with T-Bone Burnett is really good.
― Dan Worsley, Saturday, 11 January 2025 17:31 (one year ago)
Thought it was okay on first listen.
― James Carr Thief (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 12 January 2025 21:46 (one year ago)
I'd have to look at his full discography, but I imagine T-Bone's default is okay. Has he ever produced any stinkers?
― Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 12 January 2025 21:50 (one year ago)
It wasn't a matter of life/Death so no.
― LightUserSyndrome, Wednesday, 15 January 2025 21:51 (one year ago)