I hate the adjective "Corny".

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I do, so fuckin' stop using it, goddammit.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 16:48 (twenty years ago)

I mean, it's such a relative term in most cases.

One man's Korn is another man's corn.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 16:49 (twenty years ago)

tell it to jay-z

― hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 16:50 (twenty years ago)

But what would the indie fucks be called?

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 16:52 (twenty years ago)

"dad"

― j blount (papa la bas), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 16:54 (twenty years ago)

tell it to jay-z

He should talk when he's hanging out with Linkin Park and Fall Out Boy.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 16:54 (twenty years ago)

-- j blount

"dick"

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 16:55 (twenty years ago)

yeah i know, he gave up hip-hop for that! don't forget phish, too.

― hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 16:55 (twenty years ago)

But what would the indie fucks be called?

Well, isn't "fucks" derogatory enough? I mean, appended with the adjective "indie," you really don't need that third descriptive term.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 16:57 (twenty years ago)

cornesque

cornish

redolent of corn

― m0stly clean (m0stly clean), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 17:02 (twenty years ago)

i didn't mind it when trife was using it to trife shit up, now it's just side-takey and bullyish and people just use it to shut other people up - like ILX needs anymore of that crap

― jones (actual), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 17:10 (twenty years ago)

Corny is black slang crossed into white territory, replacing cheesy.

White people using black slang are, by definition, corny.

THIS THREAD IS DA BOMB!

― PappaWheelie (PappaWheelie), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 17:14 (twenty years ago)

i like the word "corny," but i reserve it for when i'm totally exasperated with something .

― Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 17:18 (twenty years ago)

trife was using it to trife shit up

hahahaha

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 17:19 (twenty years ago)

isn't "corny" a derogatory adjective for someone from Indiana, just like "cheesy" is anti-italian?

― The Sensational Sulk (sexyDancer), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 17:56 (twenty years ago)

indiana???

― j blount (papa la bas), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 17:58 (twenty years ago)

or Iowa

― The Sensational Sulk (sexyDancer), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 18:00 (twenty years ago)

or native americans

― strng hlkngtn, Wednesday, 15 June 2005 18:02 (twenty years ago)

"mazey"

― strng hlkngtn, Wednesday, 15 June 2005 18:02 (twenty years ago)

they taught the pilgrims how to plant fish

― The Sensational Sulk (sexyDancer), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 18:03 (twenty years ago)

forgot the "i"

wtf, like "corny" was invented by black people, whatever.

― hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 18:03 (twenty years ago)

actually i was talking about frankie beverly

― strng hlkngtn, Wednesday, 15 June 2005 18:04 (twenty years ago)

xpost: what wasn't?

― The Sensational Sulk (sexyDancer), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 18:05 (twenty years ago)

hell, even white people were invented by black people

― strng hlkngtn, Wednesday, 15 June 2005 18:05 (twenty years ago)

wtf, like "corny" was invented by black people, whatever.

Oh c'mon man, you know it's true on some level. There may've been a small percentage of white people using the term on a regular basis back in the 80's, but all my black friends at the time were. Then somewhere along the line (mid 90's?), all my white friends did too.

Maybe this is regional; maybe it's just my friends, but I think it's true in more places than you give it credit for.

― PappaWheelie (PappaWheelie), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 18:10 (twenty years ago)

http://plateaupress.com.au/wfw/nelson.htm etymology of "corny"

― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Wednesday, 15 June 2005 18:14 (twenty years ago)

this corncracker stands corrected:

"Corny or cornfed as in trite, hackneyed or sentimental, made its appearance about 1930 as a jazz musician's expression. The cornball variant arrived about 1945."

STILL IT EXISTED BEFORE THE MID 1990s

― hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 18:17 (twenty years ago)

Huh. Looks like Black people did introduce the term to the derogatory venacular used in music circles...

― PappaWheelie (PappaWheelie), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 18:17 (twenty years ago)

hee hee. jess, nice frankie beverly ref.

what ws the name of the evil bigheaded professor in NOI "mythology" who invented white people?

― hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 18:18 (twenty years ago)

http://www.gerweck.net/jimcornette.jpg

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 18:18 (twenty years ago)

hstencil, I'm not trying to pick a fight. My point solely is that yes, many people in Hip-Hop circles used it exclusily. They never said "cheesy", or "silly", or anything similar. It was pretty much corny, all the time.

I didn't hear the white masses use it until, yes, the past decade. And as I said, maybe that's regional...

― PappaWheelie (PappaWheelie), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 18:19 (twenty years ago)

ALEX IN NYC HATES JAZZ MUSICIANS AKA BLACK PEOPLE

― The Sensational Sulk (sexyDancer), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 18:22 (twenty years ago)

dude papawheelie i ain't tryin' to pick a fight either! i'm just playin'.

― hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 18:23 (twenty years ago)

I don't know if I am entertained or saddened by threads destined to end in boiling blood.

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 18:24 (twenty years ago)

trifey indie fucks

― something about dan aykroyd coming out of a coconut (deangulberry), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 18:24 (twenty years ago)

Cheesy, then.

Metallica is cheesy.

Is that better?

― Sweatyball Licker, Wednesday, 15 June 2005 18:25 (twenty years ago)

aw one love dan perry! no blood to boil here!

― hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 18:25 (twenty years ago)

Why do all of these derogatory terms involve midwestern exports? What next, "That song is so SOYBEANY"?

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 18:26 (twenty years ago)

Countdown to white people using "trifflin" as their primary adjective...

― PappaWheelie (PappaWheelie), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 18:26 (twenty years ago)

'triflin' - only one 'f'

― j blount (papa la bas), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 18:27 (twenty years ago)

Certainly no boiling blood...hstence has great posts more often than others!

― PappaWheelie (PappaWheelie), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 18:27 (twenty years ago)

When I see "corny" used on ILM I think of beatniks looking down their noses at Lawrence Welk. Whoever uses it implies that he is far too cool to even consider the thing being discussed.

― Mark (MarkR), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 18:29 (twenty years ago)

http://wally83.tripod.com/cotc.gif

― The Sensational Sulk (sexyDancer), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 18:30 (twenty years ago)

i still like corny, but i agree in ilx context it is way overused. timing is everything, i guess, as always.

― strng hlkngtn, Wednesday, 15 June 2005 18:32 (twenty years ago)

i would like to introduce the phrase "that shit is so dairy queen!"

― Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 18:47 (twenty years ago)

That shit is so "dairy", queen!

― PappaWheelie (PappaWheelie), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 18:48 (twenty years ago)

what ws the name of the evil bigheaded professor in NOI "mythology" who invented white people?

Yakub

― walter kranz (walterkranz), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 18:51 (twenty years ago)

When I see "corny" used on ILM I think of beatniks looking down their noses at Lawrence Welk. Whoever uses it implies that he is far too cool to even consider the thing being discussed.
-- Mark (r-...), June 15th, 2005.

I think that's silly, Mark. If someone thinks a piece of music or an artist is genuinely corny, they certainly have a right to say so. And just because someone thinks this does not automatically mean they're being haughty.

― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 19:09 (twenty years ago)

I'm more concerned about Mr. KongDildoForehead up there.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 19:12 (twenty years ago)

I hate the adjective "nerdy."

― Stefan Urquell (Haikunym), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 19:25 (twenty years ago)

I despise the adjective "snobby."

― Thurston Howell III (Haikunym), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 19:28 (twenty years ago)

I propose the adjective "dildoey".

― Masked Gazza, Wednesday, 15 June 2005 19:32 (twenty years ago)

In high school me and a friend tried to make "loaf" a derogatory term....like "oh man that was so loaf"

it didn't catch on.

― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 19:40 (twenty years ago)

that's so fetch

― j blount (papa la bas), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 19:44 (twenty years ago)

Use "stormy" instead! It totally works.

― Leon C. (Ex Leon), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 19:47 (twenty years ago)

you're so fashion

― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Wednesday, 15 June 2005 19:47 (twenty years ago)

I think of "corny" or "cornball" as having some aesthetic quality.

― deej.., Wednesday, 15 June 2005 19:48 (twenty years ago)

Stop being so stormy, ugh.

― Leon C. (Ex Leon), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 19:48 (twenty years ago)

"The corniness of the ascending arpeggio on the fifth movement of the symphony was met with a light scattering of applause as well as cheers from forehead dildo wearers."

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 19:49 (twenty years ago)

I don't care who invented the term -- white, black, asian, samoan, aborigine -- just STOP USING IT!

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 19:50 (twenty years ago)

Alex, is it ok if i call you a drama queen?

― deej.., Wednesday, 15 June 2005 19:51 (twenty years ago)

I fear you fight the losing battle.

(Um, I think that is directed at both of you.)

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 19:51 (twenty years ago)

I miss the adjective crunchy.

Sike.

― PappaWheelie (PappaWheelie), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 19:51 (twenty years ago)

Totes

― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 19:52 (twenty years ago)

Hey Alex,

I hate it when people use the word "za" for pizza. Drives me crazy. Can that be yr next project?

Thx
M@tt

― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 19:52 (twenty years ago)

FUCKIN A', DUDE

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 19:54 (twenty years ago)

Actually, I LOATHE the newish phrase "she's preggars".

― PappaWheelie (PappaWheelie), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 19:54 (twenty years ago)

Alex, is it ok if i call you a drama queen?

Sure. Is it okay if I call you a moron?

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 19:56 (twenty years ago)

oooooh m@tt OTM! Also when people pronounce "karate" as "KAH RAH TAY" which is, as is my understanding, the "correct" pronunciation, but not really. Its like when people pronounce "fettucini" with a put-on italian accent.

― deej.., Wednesday, 15 June 2005 19:57 (twenty years ago)

Sure. Is it okay if I call you a moron?

ehhh, not v. creative.

― deej.., Wednesday, 15 June 2005 19:58 (twenty years ago)

I kind of like "preggers."

― deej.., Wednesday, 15 June 2005 19:58 (twenty years ago)

i prefer "ruined"

― j blount (papa la bas), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 19:59 (twenty years ago)

I hate "preggers"
sounds like a porno term.

― The Sensational Sulk (sexyDancer), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 19:59 (twenty years ago)

deej, one day, we will totally agree on something!

― PappaWheelie (PappaWheelie), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 19:59 (twenty years ago)

I learned it from my (white) dad in the '70s. He also taught me the phrase "I don't want to cramp your style," which still makes me laugh. That phrase is potatoes. P-O-T-A-T-O-E-S.

― Pete Scholtes, Wednesday, 15 June 2005 19:59 (twenty years ago)

Preggers is better than prego, which sounds like you've come down with some horrible spaghetti sauce related ailment.

― Leon C. (Ex Leon), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 20:02 (twenty years ago)

If an American uses 'preggers' I vomit blood. As far as I know it's a British phrase and has been around forever.

― Aaron A., Wednesday, 15 June 2005 20:05 (twenty years ago)

I thought "cramp your style" was a pretty common phrase...maybe it's a Midwest thing.

I heard corny when I was a kid all the time.

― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 20:08 (twenty years ago)

Sike.

It's "psyche!" http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=psyche&r=f

― Preggers and Prego both suck, Wednesday, 15 June 2005 20:10 (twenty years ago)

I'm actually surprised at the number of Wisconsinisms they get into That '70s Show. I think they even got "choice" (as in "cool") in there. We used to say "choi" if something was really choice. And "super choi" if it was really, really choice.

― Pete Scholtes, Wednesday, 15 June 2005 20:15 (twenty years ago)

What about "mint"? We used to say that a lot.

― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 20:16 (twenty years ago)

I have never heard "preggers" outside of The Stand.

― sleep (sleep), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 20:20 (twenty years ago)

You gotta be kidding me with that literal response to sike...as if my 6th grade teacher didn't already tell me this while I was beatboxing at the lunchroom table.

Americans, sadly, have been using this preggers shit for far too long. Ugh.

I balk at your choi.

― PappaWheelie (PappaWheelie), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 20:22 (twenty years ago)

haha Pete on "super choi"

when my wife went to West High (go Regents!) she and her friends tried to popularize "secular" as a positive term, pronounced valley-style; never caught on, but should have

― Haikunym (Haikunym), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 20:23 (twenty years ago)

I always use "platinum" instead of cool or sweet or rad or awesome. because of Molly Ringwald in 16 Candles.

― Aaron A., Wednesday, 15 June 2005 20:27 (twenty years ago)

haha at "secular." that's kind of a stretch i think, but i encourage it nonetheless.

― sleep (sleep), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 20:28 (twenty years ago)

If someone thinks a piece of music or an artist is genuinely corny, they certainly have a right to say so.
-- Tim Ellison

No argument there. Maybe the problem with corny is that it's never used positively, the way even "cheesy" can be. Don't often hear -- "Sure it's corny -- that's why it's so great!"

― Mark (MarkR), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 20:30 (twenty years ago)

By the way, the porno term for preggo/preggers is "ready to drop." Which is, I think, the vilest term ever...

In my hometown, the term used to described an attractive young lady was "hot sod." Never heard it anywhere else, thankfully. It's sort of the Easter Island statue of slang, as far as I can tell.

― John Justen (johnjusten), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 20:32 (twenty years ago)

"Sure it's corny -- that's why it's so great!"

yes you do (well i do). that's an extremely common (and tiresome) critical gambit: "you say it's [x]! well i like it for that very reason!" which may be true, but eventually you start running around in circles rather than saying anything about the music in question.

― Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 20:50 (twenty years ago)

notorious b.i.g., ready to drop

― Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 20:50 (twenty years ago)

is there really another word that's equivalent for 'corny'? cheesy doesn't work for me. if something in cheesy, it's cheap and cliched. if something is corny, it's eye-rollingly overly sentimental or trying hard to be something serious but failing because of cluelessness on the part of the creator (at least in the way we used it as kids, and yes we did use it as kids in the 70s). 60's bachelor pad music is more likely to be cheesy than, say, the manufactured angst of many nu-metal bands, which is corny. agree or disagree?

― use the force luke, Wednesday, 15 June 2005 20:51 (twenty years ago)

when i use the word "corny" it's often because there's possibly not much actually WRONG with something other than it falling into some kind of trap.... like a bit of overobviousness, or tiredness. "corny" is as real, but as hard to define (and probably as profound), as "fun."

― Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 20:53 (twenty years ago)

Actually, that's a damned good arguement.

― PappaWheelie (PappaWheelie), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 20:54 (twenty years ago)

and i guess my use of the word "corny" does retained some of its sense of "sentimental"--but not sentimental in a hollywood sense necessarily, just sentimental as in when something is attached to some version of a story, some worldview, some bit of false consciousness that prevents me from embracing it....

― Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 20:54 (twenty years ago)

although i think we all have a lot of corny in us. corny dies hard. that's the name of my autobiography by the way, corny dies hard.

― Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 20:55 (twenty years ago)

we should call things 'wheaty' instead

― Sym Sym (sym), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 20:57 (twenty years ago)

"Secular"? Only in Madison. By the way, I just found out Jimmy Eat World shot the video for "Work" at West High, and there's a big alumni reunion in August. Just posted about it:

http://babelogue.citypages.com:8080/pscholtes/2005/06/15#a1339

― Pete Scholtes, Wednesday, 15 June 2005 21:06 (twenty years ago)

what about "hokey"?

― m0stly clean (m0stly clean), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 21:29 (twenty years ago)

with Alex in NYC, its 'feces or gold, dammit' but i dont live in that universe.

some of us want veal parm or chocolate. others veggies or crackers or god knows what else. skittles. taste the rainbow, Alex.

― latebloomer: We kissy kiss in the rear view (latebloomer), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 21:36 (twenty years ago)

http://alesbianworld.com/images/tshirts/t-Taste_rainbow.jpg

― m0stly clean (m0stly clean), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 21:38 (twenty years ago)

thats what i'm talkin' about! \m/

― latebloomer: We kissy kiss in the rear view (latebloomer), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 21:38 (twenty years ago)

http://www.lowbrowlowdown.com/images/taste_the_rainbow.jpg

― m0stly clean (m0stly clean), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 21:39 (twenty years ago)

damn sandy vaginas

― latebloomer: We kissy kiss in the rear view (latebloomer), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 21:43 (twenty years ago)

I'm feeling what deej said, the way I use it is to describe an aesthetic; not quite neutral but not necessarily pejorative. The way it's used today is overly broad and wildly reductive(corny as white, corny as non danceable, corny as p.c., whatever), and therefore much more useless. I can identify corniness(even self-conscious((but not ironic)) use of 'cornball' or mawkish structures and tropes), in nevertheless effective art; maybe I'm just using it wrong but it's the only way the word holds meaning for me.

― tremendoid (tremendoid), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 21:44 (twenty years ago)

ehhh, not v. creative.

And "drama queen" is? You are a moron.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 22:53 (twenty years ago)

People actually say "za" instead of pizza?!?!?

― Lingbertt, Thursday, 16 June 2005 01:17 (twenty years ago)

People actually say "za" instead of pizza?!?!?

I've heard it. Not in about fifteen years, but I've heard it.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 16 June 2005 01:33 (twenty years ago)

Not people worth knowing...but yes, they do.

― John Justen (johnjusten), Thursday, 16 June 2005 01:36 (twenty years ago)

I don't know what to say.

― Lingbertt, Thursday, 16 June 2005 02:08 (twenty years ago)

way x-post: Pete, I will be at my wife's West High reunion (class of 1985) in late July! (Her brother, Dan D1Prim4, graduated in 1988. Know him?) If you come out for the alumni thing, gimme a holler.

― Haikunym (Haikunym), Thursday, 16 June 2005 02:13 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, I remember Dan. Sure thing, let's get 'za.

― Pete Scholtes, Thursday, 16 June 2005 02:45 (twenty years ago)

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