Seattle Times Critic Disses 50 Cent

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Co-star 50 Cent's "The Massacre" CD, which is well on its way to becoming the best-selling album of the year, has some of the most violent raps ever recorded, with plenty of gun shots and gangsta versions of the N-word. But fans have been passing on those cuts. The only ones they want to hear are the sexy, dance-oriented hits, like "Candy Shop" and "Just a Lil Bit," which make the best use of 50's obvious talents for rhyme and rhythm. The boastful, streetwise raps about how tough he is sound hollow and stupid. They're credible, because of his violent, criminal background, but the genre seems played out. Only fools buy into the gangsta myth, anyway.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/artsentertainment/2002382211_emcent15.html

― kay, Saturday, 16 July 2005 06:20 (twenty years ago)

best use of 50's obvious talents

"obvious"

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 16 July 2005 06:23 (twenty years ago)

there are tons of great lines in there but my favorite is "gangsta versions of the N-word."

― Al (sitcom), Saturday, 16 July 2005 07:26 (twenty years ago)

I like how this thread title is phrased. like there's gonna be a whole G-Unit Radio mixtape dedicated to firing back at Seattle Times critic Patrick MacDonald.

― Al (sitcom), Saturday, 16 July 2005 08:25 (twenty years ago)

"Patrick MacDonald doesn't even know the meaning of 'ghetto'"

― donut ferry (donut), Saturday, 16 July 2005 08:36 (twenty years ago)

Only fools buy into the gangsta myth, anyway.

I teach a lot of fools.

― peepee (peepee), Saturday, 16 July 2005 15:22 (twenty years ago)

Both headliners are bringing along their posses, unfortunately. Em has his D12, an all-black rap troupe that, let's fact it, exists to lend him credibility with black audiences.

― Gear! (Gear!), Saturday, 16 July 2005 15:27 (twenty years ago)

gangsta myth = no such thing as gangstas?

― deej.., Saturday, 16 July 2005 15:37 (twenty years ago)

yeah cuz d12 get em so much respect from black folk

― 3, Saturday, 16 July 2005 15:41 (twenty years ago)

I was gonna say!

― miccio (miccio), Saturday, 16 July 2005 16:02 (twenty years ago)

50 Cent is horrible.

"P.I.M.P." had the most hideous use of a steel drum ever.

― Bootney Leaf Farnsworth, Saturday, 16 July 2005 16:57 (twenty years ago)

Yeah! He's just a gang-banger!

― deej.., Saturday, 16 July 2005 17:07 (twenty years ago)

yeah but just because ppl on ilx will call you a racist for saying otherwise doesn't mean 50's actually worth a shit

― Banana Nutrament (ghostface), Saturday, 16 July 2005 18:09 (twenty years ago)

How often does that happen really? Mostly people will call you an idiot because he's made great music.

― deej.., Saturday, 16 July 2005 18:26 (twenty years ago)

And by "people" i mean "me."

― deej.., Saturday, 16 July 2005 18:27 (twenty years ago)

I wouldn't call someone an idiot for not liking 50 but you know that moment where you've been hating someone for a while and then they surprise you with a smile and then suddenly its love? I think that happened for me the first time I heard him say "top" on the chorus of Hate It Or Love It.

― miccio (miccio), Saturday, 16 July 2005 18:30 (twenty years ago)

Miccio I'm calling him an idiot for off the cuff dismissals, this guy obviously has no interest in, you know, actually listening to 50 Cent's music.

And I think Ghetto Qu'ran was the first time I realized 50 cent was hot shit.

― deej.., Saturday, 16 July 2005 18:42 (twenty years ago)

I don't think you need to get so worked-up about defending multiplatinum criminals from people who don't bother to find reasons to give their reprehensibility a pass.

― miccio (miccio), Saturday, 16 July 2005 18:45 (twenty years ago)

I love the idea that critics should be defending artists from the whims of the general populace, rather than, you know, other critics. Like, the millions of 50 Cent fans care what any of us have to say? We're in a dialogue with each other, and most people on ILM think 50 Cent sucks. So there you go.

― deej.., Saturday, 16 July 2005 19:11 (twenty years ago)

There's nothing idiotic about dismissing 50 Cent. If anything it would be idiotic to not realize the obvious reasons someone would be within their rights not to want to deal with the dude.

― miccio (miccio), Saturday, 16 July 2005 19:19 (twenty years ago)

But Miccio this is ILM!

― deej.., Saturday, 16 July 2005 19:24 (twenty years ago)

As opposed to what, Earth?

― miccio (miccio), Saturday, 16 July 2005 19:25 (twenty years ago)

Where fun rules with an iron fist.

The point I'm making is - strictly speaking of critical circles here - if 50 Cent is default crappy here, where is that not the case?

― deej.., Saturday, 16 July 2005 19:26 (twenty years ago)

that statement doesn't make sense.

― miccio (miccio), Saturday, 16 July 2005 19:28 (twenty years ago)

Like "Man, fuck that mainstream rap shit, its all guns and gangsters and bitches and hos!" Next thing you know we'll be voting "Hey Ya" and Kid A as music milestones of the 00s.

― deej.., Saturday, 16 July 2005 19:29 (twenty years ago)

Miccio you like "Disco Inferno" and "Just A Lil Bit" WTF you lose

― Al (sitcom), Saturday, 16 July 2005 19:30 (twenty years ago)

although I too have no idea where deej is going in this thread.

― Al (sitcom), Saturday, 16 July 2005 19:31 (twenty years ago)

Al, one can understand why others don't like something and yet like it yourself.

― miccio (miccio), Saturday, 16 July 2005 19:31 (twenty years ago)

GANGSTA FITE ILM-STYLEE!
Miccio, you gets tha guns; I'm gettin' tha pitchforks!
Al and Deej, keep watch for rockists!
Le's smoke dem versions of the N-word!

― Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Saturday, 16 July 2005 19:33 (twenty years ago)

true!! (xpost)

― Al (sitcom), Saturday, 16 July 2005 19:33 (twenty years ago)

then how did I 'lose'?

― miccio (miccio), Saturday, 16 July 2005 19:36 (twenty years ago)

miccio i'm saying i like ilm because normally its a place where assumptions are questioned. It seems like that doesn't happen very often with 50. I mean, don't get me wrong, i thought Massacre was mostly crap but these generic "50 cent sucks" posts are sort of frustrating. I don't go in beck threads and do that shit.

Al, one can understand why others don't like something and yet like it yourself.

I don't disagree with this!

― deej.., Saturday, 16 July 2005 19:38 (twenty years ago)

I dunno, i just thought it was funny that you were backing up the 50 haters in this thread but you like his dullest singles. not much of a point to make, I know, but I'm pretty sure if you and deej kept going at it like that without anyone else jumping in the middle it would've gone on all day. (xp)

― Al (sitcom), Saturday, 16 July 2005 19:38 (twenty years ago)

Besides, enjoying an inescapable radio hit makes you a winner.

x-post deej, if anything it sounds like you're making assumptions.

― miccio (miccio), Saturday, 16 July 2005 19:39 (twenty years ago)

yeah true. whenever i can find something to like in a song I'm going to be hearing a few times a day for a couple months it makes my life a little easier.

― Al (sitcom), Saturday, 16 July 2005 19:41 (twenty years ago)

I'd rather have sex with the corpse of Marie Antoinette than own a 50 Cent album. And I love rap.

― 50 Cent is Awesome, Saturday, 16 July 2005 19:42 (twenty years ago)

Huh? I just think going in a thread and saying 50 cent is crap is lame.

i can understand why people don't like something if, you know, they actually explain why.

(xp for example...)

― deej.., Saturday, 16 July 2005 19:43 (twenty years ago)

50 Cent is a minstrel show for suburban white kids anyway.

― James Slone (Freon Trotsky), Saturday, 16 July 2005 19:47 (twenty years ago)

And the train rolls on.

― deej.., Saturday, 16 July 2005 19:48 (twenty years ago)

haha, what's up James? this is Rob from the SSMT ...err...rogthefrog forums ;)

how about this--50 Cent is excess at best. The production on his albums is sterile, his rhymes are stagnant and uninspired, and the whole thing just reeks of laziness. He's just cashing in on the current trends....but he's really boring.

― 50 Cent is Awesome, Saturday, 16 July 2005 19:53 (twenty years ago)

i like his kittenish lisp

― miccio (miccio), Saturday, 16 July 2005 19:55 (twenty years ago)

I think my given reason for dislinking 50 Cent is pretty specific.

― James Slone (Freon Trotsky), Saturday, 16 July 2005 19:57 (twenty years ago)

I also like how the moment of penetration is represented by a sitar solo

― miccio (miccio), Saturday, 16 July 2005 19:58 (twenty years ago)

the girl who took my eye care appointment today was cute but needed to wax her upper lip....

― 50 Cent is Awesome, Saturday, 16 July 2005 19:58 (twenty years ago)

What, a suspect assumption that relies on subjective "evidence"? xp

― deej.., Saturday, 16 July 2005 19:59 (twenty years ago)

Actually, two xposts.

― deej.., Saturday, 16 July 2005 19:59 (twenty years ago)

Most of the reasons I like 50 have been discussed on other threads, but from what I remember... I like the way each lyric (at least on his great songs) is like its own mini-hook, the way he makes morally questionable decisions seem downright reasonable ("next day same shit..."), well I like the whole GRODT album but specifically "He got shot like I got shot but he ain't fuckin' breathin'" on "Many Men," the way when he's pissed his voice sounds twisted, etc. etc. etc.

― deej.., Saturday, 16 July 2005 20:03 (twenty years ago)

Music tastes are completely subjective. What evidence should I provide? That I find 50 to be a laughable caricature of tough guy bravado, that his songs are neither compelling nor interesting, that in general his whole schtick is irredeemably silly. Or that a racist white fantasist couldn't come up with a better representative of a stereotyped black community. Actually I don't really mind him, but I can see why many dislike him.

― James Slone (Freon Trotsky), Saturday, 16 July 2005 20:04 (twenty years ago)

Hate to break it to you deej, but most all opinions (other than assessments of the technical side of things) on music are "subjective". Hence why it's an "opinion" and not a concrete "fact". Those who cannot deal with that often spend their time on ILM whining.

― 50 Cent is Awesome, Saturday, 16 July 2005 20:06 (twenty years ago)

Of course all opinions are subjective. Some opinions are also cliche and boring, though.

― deej.., Saturday, 16 July 2005 20:07 (twenty years ago)

I imagine deej is one of the people who told Louis Pasteur that his findings were invalid because he "destroyed the active principle".

― 50 Cent is Awesome, Saturday, 16 July 2005 20:07 (twenty years ago)

Cliche, or consensus?

Wasn't aware that there were THAT many different ways to say you disliked something, or that there were that many different reactions to someone's music that existed.

― 50 Cent is Awesome, Saturday, 16 July 2005 20:09 (twenty years ago)

OK, how about i break it down for you this way.

1. What are "sterile" beats? Perhaps you can expound on this.

2. 50 Cent is a minstrel show for suburban white kids anyway. How do you know this? I assume you are relying on anecdotal evidence, so how about my anecdotal evidence that many of the g-unit fans I've known have been african-american. Or that I question your subjective interpretation of what makes a "minstrel show," or why that would neccessarily make his music bad. Which ties into...

3. Or that a racist white fantasist couldn't come up with a better representative of a stereotyped black community.
You can say that about ANY black popular figure. Andre 3000 is a stereotype because he likes wearing ridiculous clothes and acting a fool!

I can totally see why people dislike him. And many of his songs. I'm just saying I don't see why it should be taken as given that 50 Cent sucks.

― deej.., Saturday, 16 July 2005 20:16 (twenty years ago)

4. "rhymes are stagnant and uninspired"
I can say this about any MC I don't like! Its such non-specific criticism.

― deej.., Saturday, 16 July 2005 20:19 (twenty years ago)

Related to this, something spoken in another argument with someone who was arguing something similar, putting a rapper on blast for something similar. Not so say that there isn't something to a critique like that, but this is by my friend "icarus":

"Have you seen the list of foods banned by Elijah Muhammad for black people? It includes such items as blackeyed peas, cornbread, and collard greens among many other foods. Obviously his attempt to combat stereotypes or whatever resulted in an incomplete culinary denial of African American cultural tradition. His logic, though, was similar to yours.

That's why I absolutely love Trick Daddy and his "I'm A Thug" video. Remember how dismayed the bourgeious blacks were at the sight of 'That Thug' in their fancy, Euro-style restaurant, abandoning his Euro meal to eat fried chicken. It reminded me of a famous historical scene wherein members of MOVE sat, in dirty jeans and dreadlocks, in church pews, eating chicken and throwing their bones on the floor while representatives of the black middle class and establishmentarian Civil Rights activists gave speeches. There's something absolutely disgusting about pandering to the dominant culture to, in your words, "show people you're not ignorant." To do so is still a denial of the inherent value of black life and also cedes much critical terrain to the dominant culture. In the case of the NOI, E. Muhammad's mandates ceded to to whites the terms of debate -- capitalism, for instance, and certainly propriety."

― deej.., Saturday, 16 July 2005 20:31 (twenty years ago)

Not to say that 50 Cent should be seen as a hero of african-americanism per se, I'm just trying to say the debate isn't as black+White (no pun intended) as "50 cent just fulfills white stereotypes."

― deej.., Saturday, 16 July 2005 20:32 (twenty years ago)

deej, you aren't making any sense.

How else can I break down "sterile beats" further? You are nitpicking to the point of ridiculousness. A "sterile beat" is a beat that does not excite, go anywhere, or is completely bland or dull. If you're asking me to give you a specific point in each song where I don't like the sample used or to give you an instrument by instrument critique, you're being ridiculous.

As far as rhymes being stagnant and uninspired, so what if you can say it about most MCs you dislike? In the rap industry, that's pretty much the one way you sink--not being able to come up with convincing rhymes or lyrics.

― 50 Cent is Arabian, Saturday, 16 July 2005 20:33 (twenty years ago)

how do you have the energy for this?

― g e o f f (gcannon), Saturday, 16 July 2005 20:36 (twenty years ago)

I don't. :) I'm off to go perform. Later peeps.

― 50 Cent is Qua Gonn Jinn, Saturday, 16 July 2005 20:37 (twenty years ago)

Well now yr defining "sterile" as "bad," which I'm not quite sure I understand. Do you mean clinical? I suppose lots of Scott Storch beats could be called that. Or do you mean "bland"? I guess some of his beats could be called that too. Not all of them though! "In da Club" was blockbuster! Just massive.

As for his rapping, "uninspired" in particular is about as general as you can be. I think he sounds uninspired on lots of tracks, but not a track like "Ski mask way," where he sounds pretty much like he's planning to rob the listener, or "Many Men" where he sounds like he's afraid of death. I don't hear uninspired in that at all!

I guess what bothers me most about "uninspired" is that its so general and tyrannical! It shuts down discussion rather than encouraging it. Can it really apply to his entire oeuvre? I don't believe so. I mean, if you're going to use some generic rapper criticisms about the dude's entire catalogue, you make it sound like you have no interest in actually listening to it. Why should I listen to what you have to say?

Which leads me to - why are you posting in this thread?

― deej.., Saturday, 16 July 2005 20:43 (twenty years ago)

(Yes I'm aware in da club was dre, i meant to infer 50 cent by "his beats")

― deej.., Saturday, 16 July 2005 20:44 (twenty years ago)

How anyone dare operate in the studio without sterile beats is beyond my comprehension. I am proud to say all my beats are sterile. They go nowhere excpet the bassbin, in a sealed container. I always discard the unused portion, and I never use someone else's beats. That's why my studio remains disease free.

― moley, Saturday, 16 July 2005 20:48 (twenty years ago)

If you're wondering how I have the energy, geoff, its a) a boring desk job and b) lots of coffee. Also, I take every 50 Cent diss personally.

― deej.., Saturday, 16 July 2005 20:49 (twenty years ago)

Deej, I've been making the same arguments forever on the Norah Jones thread (what does 'boring' really mean) but people just don't listen.

― K-tel, Saturday, 16 July 2005 20:49 (twenty years ago)

50 Cent is a minstrel show for suburban white kids anyway.

Judging from the music coming from cars outside my window, urban black folks like him too. Maybe they're not his intended audience?

― jhoshea (scoopsnoodle), Saturday, 16 July 2005 20:51 (twenty years ago)

American rhythms are unhygienic - that's why they smell funky.

― moley, Saturday, 16 July 2005 20:51 (twenty years ago)

50 cent has an irritating chipmunk face

― Darugala, Saturday, 16 July 2005 20:52 (twenty years ago)

I've got no defense for his face, really.

― deej.., Saturday, 16 July 2005 20:53 (twenty years ago)

If 50 Cent would rap without marbles in his mouth and learn how to construct an interesting beat, I would enjoy his albums. I honestly don't care whether or not his lyrics are violent.

I would say "sterile" is another way of saying "watered down," or that it does not stand out among the other songs on hiphop stations. It's just bland and completely what you would expect to hear, which I would say is an accurate description for anything 50 Cent touches.

There has been no other artist this decade so far who has recieved more undeserved hyping, specifically Get Rich Or Die Tryin', which is nothing compared to the best hiphop debuts of the early to mid-90's.

― billstevejim (billstevejim), Saturday, 16 July 2005 20:53 (twenty years ago)

Dear Ethan,

all is forgiven etc.

-deej

― deej.., Saturday, 16 July 2005 20:54 (twenty years ago)

It reminded me of a famous historical scene wherein members of MOVE sat, in dirty jeans and dreadlocks, in church pews, eating chicken and throwing their bones on the floor while representatives of the black middle class and establishmentarian Civil Rights activists gave speeches. There's something absolutely disgusting about pandering to the dominant culture to...

I guess not acting like a fool in church is a 'white' thing right?

― Hejad, Saturday, 16 July 2005 20:55 (twenty years ago)

I don't want to put words in his mouth and I'm not really familiar with this historical event, but ... "one man's fool..."

― deej.., Saturday, 16 July 2005 20:57 (twenty years ago)

jhoshea: I'm sure there were blacks who liked minstrel shows too.

deej: Yeah, we can say that any number of black artists function as racist wish fulfillments, but i can name a lot of black artists that don't. Plus the 50 Cent approach is particularly noxious- the thug thing is probably the worst thing ever to come out of hip hop. Overall, I find his music to be unimaginative. But enough of this. I shouldn't spend any more time dismissing music someone else likes- kind of a waste of time, given the fact that 50 Cent doesn't even register with me.

― James Slone (Freon Trotsky), Saturday, 16 July 2005 21:00 (twenty years ago)

I'm sure there were blacks who liked minstrel shows too.

Like, a lot of them?

― jhoshea (scoopsnoodle), Saturday, 16 July 2005 21:11 (twenty years ago)

but this is by my friend "icarus"

this is the best part of this whole thread

― strng hlkngtn, Saturday, 16 July 2005 21:20 (twenty years ago)

you know how some people will tap their foot to a record? well i'm plucking my nosehairs to this thread.

― Ô¿Ô (eman), Saturday, 16 July 2005 21:22 (twenty years ago)

While I don't necessarily think 50's success is some kind of great injustice (he did flash the talent early on to make it happen, and obv. got taken under the wings of the right people), I do think he's massively overrated and forgettable. Great voice, yeah, I guess I'm just more drawn to (and maybe impressed by) emcees who really play around with language (Jay-Z, DOOM, Ghostface, all of Dipset) rather than use a good flow to say absolutely nothing (50 = Eric Clapton of rap, Juelz = Neil Young).

In lieu of that, I'd still be willing to give him more of a pass if there was at least some exuberance or some genuine life in his rhyming (there are plenty of halfway talented Dirty South rappers I like way more because at least they're engaging). Instead you just get this nihilistic, joyless bullshit, which I understand is part of his schtick, but he's rarely even convincing with that dead-end premise (maybe 1/10th as much as David Banner).

"Wanksta" and "How to Rob" were great, I just wonder if that 50 is dead and gone forever, much like the Eminem of "If I Had" and "Just Don't Give a Fuck."

― Josh Love (screamapillar), Saturday, 16 July 2005 21:44 (twenty years ago)

Juelz = Neil Young

what in the name of sweet hell

― miccio (miccio), Saturday, 16 July 2005 21:46 (twenty years ago)

but, Josh, overrated by whom? Critics have mostly shrugged him off. As for the public, they hear a mushmouthed lazy drawl that wraps itself around a catchphrase (candy shops, disco infernos, being in da club) and that's as much thought as they intend to give the matter. In fact, that's as much thought as I intend to give the matter.

(as for his sexism, that mushmoused lazy drawl projects a wtf indifference which goes a loooong way to defusing any alarms.)

― Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Saturday, 16 July 2005 21:50 (twenty years ago)

Juelz = Neil Young

what in the name of sweet hell

-- miccio (anthonyisrigh...), July 16th, 2005.

didn't you spend 6 months arguing that Eminem = Neil Young?

― Al (sitcom), Saturday, 16 July 2005 22:05 (twenty years ago)

I almost had a moment recently, spawned by my adoration of the song Candy Shop, where I thought I suddenly liked 50 Cent. I then realized that in fact no, he just did a passable job and not ruining the great beats he's been provided, but on every single one Id rather hear someone else who doesn't mumble/suck ass, on top of it.

― You are 8 genus (David Allen), Saturday, 16 July 2005 22:05 (twenty years ago)

didn't you spend 6 months arguing that Eminem = Neil Young?

no, that Encore=Time Fades Away. And I don't think making an atypical comparison denies one the right to question another.

― miccio (miccio), Saturday, 16 July 2005 22:08 (twenty years ago)

"While I don't necessarily think 50's success is some kind of great injustice (he did flash the talent early on to make it happen, and obv. got taken under the wings of the right people), I do think he's massively overrated and forgettable. Great voice, yeah, I guess I'm just more drawn to (and maybe impressed by) emcees who really play around with language (Jay-Z, DOOM, Ghostface, all of Dipset) rather than use a good flow to say absolutely nothing (50 = Eric Clapton of rap, Juelz = Neil Young)."

= everything i hate about rap critics nowadays

― 3, Saturday, 16 July 2005 22:09 (twenty years ago)

It's basically the search for a Kool Keith that dresses gangsta

― miccio (miccio), Saturday, 16 July 2005 22:11 (twenty years ago)

i like his kittenish lisp
-- miccio
"While I don't necessarily think 50's success is some kind of great injustice (he did flash the talent early on to make it happen, and obv. got taken under the wings of the right people), I do think he's massively overrated and forgettable. Great voice, yeah, I guess I'm just more drawn to (and maybe impressed by) emcees who really play around with language (Jay-Z, DOOM, Ghostface, all of Dipset) rather than use a good flow to say absolutely nothing (50 = Eric Clapton of rap, Juelz = Neil Young)."
= everything i hate about rap critics nowadays

-- 3 (...)

*chuckles*

― Candicissima (candicissima), Saturday, 16 July 2005 22:12 (twenty years ago)

i wish i had a pass

― 007 (thoia), Saturday, 16 July 2005 22:18 (twenty years ago)

It's basically the search for a Kool Keith that dresses gangsta
-- miccio (anthonyisrigh...), July 16th, 2005.

4 real!!!

― 3, Saturday, 16 July 2005 22:21 (twenty years ago)

thread = Q.E.D.

anyhow, 50 is essentially Al DiMiola for headz; all the headz like the big-budget production stuff lately, & who can blame 'em, the big budget makes for the great sounds, and besides, repping for chart-hop is the new keepin' it oldschool. Either way, 50=DiMiola because he's got great chops, cool sounds, fires off a totally tasty lick now 'n' then (the "Hate It Or Love It" chorus for example) and is generally so boring that you can't even imagine why he's selling so many records.

― Banana Nutrament (ghostface), Saturday, 16 July 2005 22:29 (twenty years ago)

Cuz he's a cutiepie!

― miccio (miccio), Saturday, 16 July 2005 22:31 (twenty years ago)

Cutiepie + Bullet Cred + Great Hooks = $$$$$$$$$

― miccio (miccio), Saturday, 16 July 2005 22:32 (twenty years ago)

damn anthony you're on fire lately!

― Banana Nutrament (ghostface), Saturday, 16 July 2005 22:35 (twenty years ago)

Besides headz weren't repping for 50's chart-pop they all got excited about "Ski Mask Way" where he reaffirmed he can still do the gunplay and that he's not turning into LL.

― miccio (miccio), Saturday, 16 July 2005 22:38 (twenty years ago)

It's basically the search for a Kool Keith that dresses gangsta
-- miccio (anthonyisrigh...), July 16th, 2005.

This is so the best part of the thread.

― deej.., Saturday, 16 July 2005 22:58 (twenty years ago)

Speaking of, I saw Dr. Octagon 2 on the shelf the other day. Anyone actually heard it?

― deej.., Saturday, 16 July 2005 22:59 (twenty years ago)

Cuz he's a cutiepie!

-- miccio

He is NOT cute. Nice body, but that's about it.

― Candicissima (candicissima), Saturday, 16 July 2005 23:05 (twenty years ago)

the biggest 50 fans i know are gay dudes who do indeed rep for his chiseled physique and little else

― Gear! (Gear!), Saturday, 16 July 2005 23:28 (twenty years ago)

Haha I was just gonna respond to that "(Jay-Z, DOOM, Ghostface, all of Dipset)" line too. The fact that I happen to like all the named in various degrees, at least a little (tho they're hardly my 'canon' or whatevs, & i can only stand mf d in small small doses) in no way negates the severe awfulness of this list taken *together*.

but in this case tate's been painfully otm about 50 cent of late. his "sterile" beats are one of the best things about him.

but i do blame 50 cent that folx in boston (at least) are wearing *fake* bulletproof vests as a fashion item. either you need a real one, or you don't want to be seen in anything that someone could *mistake* for one.

on the other hand, i think that it's fairly clear now that anyone that dresses all g-unit in the real world is emphatically, all odds, *not* hard, luckly for all the ppl. now so attired.

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Saturday, 16 July 2005 23:47 (twenty years ago)

this one kid wears the gunit shoe w the same joi as he wears the pump, cuz he handles shit for reebok and has a doorman. im putting on get rich next is all i know

― 007 (thoia), Sunday, 17 July 2005 00:27 (twenty years ago)

I dont see dudes wearing the g-unit shoes, but sometimes the shirts. ALL i see are all-white air force 1s and all-white or all-black reeboks, at least this summer.

― deej.., Sunday, 17 July 2005 00:30 (twenty years ago)

But white tees outnumber all.

― deej.., Sunday, 17 July 2005 00:30 (twenty years ago)

wow i like the thot of allblack reeboks, i bought white jordan 2s but theyre dirt cuz i dont change them. when did white tees get big? ws 50 involved? jamaica?

― 007 (thoia), Sunday, 17 July 2005 00:46 (twenty years ago)

Its a southern thing isnt it? Well there was "White Tee" by Franchize Boyz or whatever. I donno, its fairly recent up here (chicago). White tees and big belt buckles.

― deej.., Sunday, 17 July 2005 00:48 (twenty years ago)

im curious! i cant remember when i started to notice it let alone speculate on how long i didnt. love the buckles

― 007 (thoia), Sunday, 17 July 2005 00:51 (twenty years ago)

i got all black classics and white tees

― 3, Sunday, 17 July 2005 01:18 (twenty years ago)

it aint special tho

― 33, Sunday, 17 July 2005 01:19 (twenty years ago)

broke as fuck home on saturday too

― 33, Sunday, 17 July 2005 01:21 (twenty years ago)

yall wanna get me any work

― 3, Sunday, 17 July 2005 01:22 (twenty years ago)

me too but i dont have black classics! white tees i love seeing, never old, i mean its a look, not that its unattainable, is that all it is?

― 007 (thoia), Sunday, 17 July 2005 01:26 (twenty years ago)

last night i met a lebanese girl but from atl whose boyfriend in europe for travel channel ws said to be handing out brooklyn like media jobs but at that pt i ws so sorry he existed

― 007 (thoia), Sunday, 17 July 2005 01:29 (twenty years ago)

― 3, Sunday, 17 July 2005 01:32 (twenty years ago)

haha

― 007 (thoia), Sunday, 17 July 2005 01:39 (twenty years ago)

The G-Unit shoes are genuinely nice looking though, even though they apparently aren't well-made.

― Yo soy Rockist Scientist (RSLaRue), Sunday, 17 July 2005 01:45 (twenty years ago)

fuck your money

ready or not here i come come come

― 007 (thoia), Sunday, 17 July 2005 02:23 (twenty years ago)

fuck this cd is great, keep thinkin im candy

― 007 (thoia), Sunday, 17 July 2005 02:25 (twenty years ago)

ramada, search and destroi

― 007 (thoia), Sunday, 17 July 2005 02:45 (twenty years ago)

the fasttalk prayer on gotta make it is kinda funny tho

― 007 (thoia), Sunday, 17 July 2005 03:05 (twenty years ago)

the drumroll on backdown

― 007 (thoia), Sunday, 17 July 2005 04:08 (twenty years ago)

cld u love me on a bentley?

― 007 (thoia), Sunday, 17 July 2005 04:23 (twenty years ago)

Girl, I could love you on Farnsworth Bentley.

― More like Tony GAYO am I right? Fellas? (Matt Chesnut), Sunday, 17 July 2005 04:43 (twenty years ago)

that dude ws ok on mtv reality!

― 007 (thoia), Sunday, 17 July 2005 04:48 (twenty years ago)

any chick i fuck w is a dime

― 007 (thoia), Sunday, 17 July 2005 04:52 (twenty years ago)

This thread is still going?

― Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Sunday, 17 July 2005 04:53 (twenty years ago)

the tale offended my pain. uh but yeah im move asap to brooklyn for her boyfriend dont worry!

forks its one of those threads i like where the content has dick to do w the subj but maybe your disbelief is full of like wishes

― 007 (thoia), Sunday, 17 July 2005 04:57 (twenty years ago)

and here the cds on rpt so its abit of dropin fantasy sure

― 007 (thoia), Sunday, 17 July 2005 04:59 (twenty years ago)

sunny days wouldnt be special if it wasnt for rain?

― 007 (thoia), Sunday, 17 July 2005 05:01 (twenty years ago)

50 Cent is so 2003.

― maria b (maria b), Sunday, 17 July 2005 05:46 (twenty years ago)

thats of course why i like him but im nobody

― 007 (thoia), Sunday, 17 July 2005 05:53 (twenty years ago)

2003 was so great *sigh*

― Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Sunday, 17 July 2005 09:26 (twenty years ago)

i was just walkin down glenwood ave when i heard those dead wrong/story to tell drums, i turn my head and its a white lordz of brooklyn lookin dude in a black pontiac cruisin past, hes got the whole back of the ride hollowed out for the system and hes rappin along to 'tried by 12' by east flatbush project w/ hand motions

― 3, Sunday, 17 July 2005 21:52 (twenty years ago)

The G-Unit shoes are some cheap-ass feeling shit that'd probably fall apart after a month's wear. Trainers are to be worn, not stuck on the fucking shelf like a model boat.

I know this post is 30 too late, but the point needs to be made.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Sunday, 17 July 2005 22:01 (twenty years ago)

rapper branded shit is never nice like that, nobody fucks w/ it except 14 yr olds and dickriders

― 3, Sunday, 17 July 2005 22:38 (twenty years ago)

sean john made some nice grown folks shit tho

― 33, Sunday, 17 July 2005 22:39 (twenty years ago)

How about those official Mark Ronson trainers designed by the guy from House of Pain that wasn't Everlast or DJ Lethal?

― Worst commercial tie-in in history (Dom Passantino), Sunday, 17 July 2005 22:50 (twenty years ago)

maybe that post sounded kind of rockist-dumb (I was just trying to make an offhand impressionistic comparison rather than etch anything in stone), but how come nobody ACTUALLY SAID WHY it was so bad?? Do I have to like everything 50 Cent does to be a *good* rap critic? (not that I really am one any more than casually/occasionally). I wouldn't think so, maybe there are some other, more valid reasons I missed out on - I thought it was a pretty fair take, fine if you don't agree, I just don't understand why it's being viewed as so OTT bad or anything - please 3 or Sterling enlighten me.

― Josh Love (screamapillar), Sunday, 17 July 2005 23:02 (twenty years ago)

It's basically the search for a Kool Keith that dresses gangsta
-- miccio (anthonyisrigh...), July 16th, 2005.

― 3, Sunday, 17 July 2005 23:09 (twenty years ago)

i see how you might have missed it the first 3 times it was posted

― 3, Sunday, 17 July 2005 23:10 (twenty years ago)

that would only be relevant if I was holding up that model and saying "this is the only way you can make good hip-hop," but I'm clearly not - that's a clever little quip, but it's amazingly reductive of what I actually said.

― Josh Love (screamapillar), Sunday, 17 July 2005 23:12 (twenty years ago)

I do think he's massively overrated and forgettable. Great voice, yeah, I guess I'm just more drawn to (and maybe impressed by) emcees who really play around with language (Jay-Z, DOOM, Ghostface, all of Dipset) rather than use a good flow to say absolutely nothing (50 = Eric Clapton of rap, Juelz = Neil Young).

― 3, Sunday, 17 July 2005 23:16 (twenty years ago)

If you had said Juelz=Frank Zappa I would not have blinked

― miccio (miccio), Sunday, 17 July 2005 23:19 (twenty years ago)

fair enough Anthony (I know you hate Zappa tho so I guess I can see where you're coming from, and I wasn't saying Juelz = Young wrt amount of great music made/enjoyment derived from etc either.

"more drawn to (and maybe impressed by)"

again, how is that saying "you have to make rap music this way or it's automatically not good" ?

― Josh Love (screamapillar), Sunday, 17 July 2005 23:47 (twenty years ago)

where did i accuse you of saying that

― 3, Sunday, 17 July 2005 23:48 (twenty years ago)

well you did use Miccio's quip as a catch-all response to everything I tried to (actually sincerely) ask you. Sorry if it maybe came off too brusque.

― Josh Love (screamapillar), Sunday, 17 July 2005 23:59 (twenty years ago)

sorry dude i just hate all those rappers & your reasons for feelin em

― 3, Monday, 18 July 2005 00:05 (twenty years ago)

and just cuz 50 aint on some showy abstract bullshit doesnt mean hes not playin around w/ language

― 3\, Monday, 18 July 2005 00:10 (twenty years ago)

3 has a point, but Jay wasn't 'showy abstract bullshit' either. the difference is, 50's not nearly as good at it.

insecure people bullying other insecure people into thinking that if they don't like 50 Cent, they're not hard enough = dud

― yuengling participle (rotten03), Monday, 18 July 2005 00:19 (twenty years ago)

yeah i'm not denying he's had some great lines and great songs, just that the majority of the stuff he's done hasn't really knocked me over. I understand why he's The Guy in hip-hop now (great mass appeal, which is something you can't negate, and he can be terrific on hooks) I just wish he wasn't so dull most of the time.

― Josh Love (screamapillar), Monday, 18 July 2005 00:21 (twenty years ago)

i don't think its an issue of 'hard'

― miccio (miccio), Monday, 18 July 2005 00:24 (twenty years ago)

man when did i say dude was not hard?? 50 is nerdier than mf doom and softer than ghostface w/ all those bodyguards

― 3, Monday, 18 July 2005 00:25 (twenty years ago)

ghost almost killed a man and struts around every hood like a schizo, 50 got shot in the legs and never went in the street again

― 3, Monday, 18 July 2005 00:26 (twenty years ago)

hard is the wrong word - what i meant was, "triumphant in 'no, i'm-REALLY-down-with-hip-hop' internet dick-waving contests" but it seemed too long and unwieldly.

― yuengling participle (rotten03), Monday, 18 July 2005 00:34 (twenty years ago)

jay-z gets more props than 50

― 3, Monday, 18 July 2005 00:35 (twenty years ago)

really is this some kinda contest to see who can make up the most shit they wanna pretend other folks are tryna say??

― 3, Monday, 18 July 2005 00:40 (twenty years ago)

i heard 3 said ray charles was an ignorant n*****, and then bonnie bramlett punched him in the face

― yuengling participle (rotten03), Monday, 18 July 2005 00:40 (twenty years ago)

thats not funny

― 3, Monday, 18 July 2005 00:43 (twenty years ago)

An alleged Soviet autopsy shortly after the war claimed Hitler was monorchic, but most historians dismiss this reference as propaganda. However, records show that he was wounded in 1916 during the Battle of the Somme, and some sources describe his injury as a wound to the groin. Hitler's World War I company commander has said that a VD exam found that Hitler had only one testicle.

― Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Monday, 18 July 2005 00:43 (twenty years ago)

google one Elvis Costello

― yuengling participle (rotten03), Monday, 18 July 2005 00:44 (twenty years ago)

haha is that some kinda 2pac dis

― 33, Monday, 18 July 2005 00:47 (twenty years ago)

I'm still trying to figure out where this bizarre parallel universe where everyone hates 50 Cent and no one gives him any credot or respect actaully exists? I mean, that doesn't even describe HERE.

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 18 July 2005 00:59 (twenty years ago)

"The Massacre" is the Kidz Bop of rap

― yuengling participle (rotten03), Monday, 18 July 2005 01:01 (twenty years ago)

man boston must be housin less rap nerds than ATL cuz 50 is a ja rule sell-out to everybody i know

― 3, Monday, 18 July 2005 01:02 (twenty years ago)

like a baby born dead

― 007 (thoia), Monday, 18 July 2005 01:07 (twenty years ago)

re: who listens to 50, in toronto i see gunit gear on two groups: teenagers of all races riding public transit, and club kids going out on the town. everybody else swears up and down that they hate him.

re: 007 - uh, what?

― yuengling participle (rotten03), Monday, 18 July 2005 01:11 (twenty years ago)

its a something line, i think, like joy wouldnt be special

also theres def some difference in kind shit btw jay and 50, it isnt only some words float in front of ur face business

haha yeah is 50 sposed to be some guiltiest pleasure type of rapper?

― 007 (thoia), Monday, 18 July 2005 01:18 (twenty years ago)

shops sellin him in a paper bag

― 007 (thoia), Monday, 18 July 2005 01:19 (twenty years ago)

people wearing g-unit gear is a terrible indication of 'who listens to 50.'

― milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Monday, 18 July 2005 01:26 (twenty years ago)

i doubt there are stock brokers / soccer moms / indie-yuppies ("In Da Club" excepted) listening to 50 in secret. it's teenagers, clubbers and sororityfrat kids, which is more than enough to put him on top of the charts.

― yuengling participle (rotten03), Monday, 18 July 2005 01:32 (twenty years ago)

otherwise they'd buy the shirt

― miccio (miccio), Monday, 18 July 2005 01:34 (twenty years ago)

If you had said Juelz=Frank Zappa I would not have blinked

...then 50 is Zappa without the proggy complexity => post-rock with boner jokes.

― yuengling participle (rotten03), Monday, 18 July 2005 01:35 (twenty years ago)

if you're in it for 'proggy complexity' than yup

― miccio (miccio), Monday, 18 July 2005 01:36 (twenty years ago)

just don't mistake it for 'saying something'

― miccio (miccio), Monday, 18 July 2005 01:37 (twenty years ago)

jeez i love teenagers clubbers and sorority frat kids, soccer moms are ok, more attention to detail there

― 007 (thoia), Monday, 18 July 2005 01:38 (twenty years ago)

aw man you guys should have asked me to pass a message along to g-unit.. matos, scott ce, and i just walked past the G-Unit bus entourage in downtown seattle parked by scott's car gettin' ready to go down to the anger management show in auburn tonight! The buses were on. This would have been ILM's chance!

― donut ferry (donut), Monday, 18 July 2005 01:48 (twenty years ago)

miccio: fine. don't assume 'proggy complexity' automatically precludes 'saying something' either. 50 still sucks because he's one of the only pop rappers i can think of who manages to suck the fun out of going pop. (he should go on tour with Black Eyed Peas - sterling would love it). it's mostly Scott Storch's fault, but 50 keeps hiring him so he gets blamed too. Nelly come back, all is forgiven.

― yuengling participle (rotten03), Monday, 18 July 2005 01:48 (twenty years ago)

If Nelly requires forgiveness I'm curious who doesn't suck the fun out of going pop.

― miccio (miccio), Monday, 18 July 2005 01:50 (twenty years ago)

Will Smith (even Hitch, sorta), Fat Joe, Mike Jones (I confess I enjoy "Back Then" - it's probably the video though), Fabolous, Chingy, Nore, yada yada yada

― yuengling participle (rotten03), Monday, 18 July 2005 01:52 (twenty years ago)

wait you like Fat Joe but not Scott Storch? I'm not sure how you make your delineations here.

― miccio (miccio), Monday, 18 July 2005 01:54 (twenty years ago)

you mean besides the 11 years FJ was making records before he did one with Scott Storch?

― Al (sitcom), Monday, 18 July 2005 01:58 (twenty years ago)

strangely the only Storch song i can stand right now is Get It Poppin. i have no explanation for this. aww fuck he did Lean Back too. my house of derision is crumbling! okay, Storch songs i hate are Candy Shop, Playa's Only, anything else he did on The Massacre or The Documentary.

― yuengling participle (rotten03), Monday, 18 July 2005 01:59 (twenty years ago)

(as an aside, SF/J's blog is the third hit for "'Magic Stick' Storch" on google)

― yuengling participle (rotten03), Monday, 18 July 2005 02:03 (twenty years ago)

im so obv buying more joe tmw. apostrophe!

― 007 (thoia), Monday, 18 July 2005 02:05 (twenty years ago)

well since Storch didn't produce "Magic Stick" I wouldn't imagine there'd be that many google hits. he's done some tracks I like but I probably dislike or am bored by 90% of his work. easily my least favorite superproducer.

― Al (sitcom), Monday, 18 July 2005 02:05 (twenty years ago)

I'm pretty sure Storch is waiting till its broke to bother fixing it.

― miccio (miccio), Monday, 18 July 2005 02:06 (twenty years ago)

Give it a year.

― miccio (miccio), Monday, 18 July 2005 02:07 (twenty years ago)

I wouldn't say he's not versatile, he's done some pretty different sounding records, although all he does lately is bite Lil Jon's 808s + Chronic 2001 string patches. (xp)

― Al (sitcom), Monday, 18 July 2005 02:07 (twenty years ago)

"rap troupe"

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

― Hurting (Hurting), Monday, 18 July 2005 02:09 (twenty years ago)

man i knew this would break down into some bullshit like this!!

get "watcha" by master fuol, jt money & pastor troy, good old storch on lyricist lounge 2, also find that shit he did on mystikals album.

― 3, Monday, 18 July 2005 02:14 (twenty years ago)

i think i could compile an hour of good-to-great 50 songs, but it would be almost entirely Storch-free

― yuengling participle (rotten03), Monday, 18 July 2005 02:15 (twenty years ago)

what about 'heat'

― 3, Monday, 18 July 2005 02:18 (twenty years ago)

'if i cant'

― 3, Monday, 18 July 2005 02:18 (twenty years ago)

of course like all yall i think 'candy shop' is trash!

― 3, Monday, 18 July 2005 02:19 (twenty years ago)

yeah storch on documentary is terrible. so is dre to be honest

― nervous (cochere), Monday, 18 July 2005 02:20 (twenty years ago)

umm, is 3 who I think it is? does he like plum drinks? if so, dude either you gotta speak clearer or get less paranoid because EVERY time ppl argue music w/you, you accuse them of mischaracterising your position! where there's smoke there's fire tho!

― Banana Nutrament (ghostface), Monday, 18 July 2005 02:21 (twenty years ago)

xp 3: i thought both of those were dre/elizondo?

― nervous (cochere), Monday, 18 July 2005 02:21 (twenty years ago)

he likes raspberry lime V8 (xp)

― Al (sitcom), Monday, 18 July 2005 02:22 (twenty years ago)

you are mischaracterizing my position w/ that

― 3, Monday, 18 July 2005 02:22 (twenty years ago)

refresco iberia - coco
-- 3 (3...), July 18th, 2005.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

thats the coconut soda i got from the mexican grocery here for a vodka mixer
-- 3 (...), July 18th, 2005.

― 3, Monday, 18 July 2005 02:23 (twenty years ago)

And yet sales of his albums (and radio listeners) greatly outpace the sales of G-Unit sneakers. Like I said - 'people wearing G-Unit gear' is not a good indication of how many people are listening to 50 or who they are.

― milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Monday, 18 July 2005 02:23 (twenty years ago)

3 what do you think of "Jus' A Little Bit", "Disco Inferno" and "Magic Stick"

― yuengling participle (rotten03), Monday, 18 July 2005 02:25 (twenty years ago)

yeah I did kinda mischaracterize your position about the V8, it didn't sound like you enjoyed it that much.

― Al (sitcom), Monday, 18 July 2005 02:25 (twenty years ago)

incidentally my DiMiola comparison way upthread was clearly an influence on all this Neil Young/Eric Clapton nuskool thought that came later

― Banana "tha Teacher" Nutrament (ghostface), Monday, 18 July 2005 02:26 (twenty years ago)

I might have thought the 'just the kids' concept was plausible but I saw my aunt yell "HAAAAAY! IT MUST BE THE MON-AY!" with my cousin at a family party. And there are soccer moms a lot younger than she is out there. Admittedly, I don't think she's bought Pimp Juice.

― miccio (miccio), Monday, 18 July 2005 02:27 (twenty years ago)

I believe I can quote 3's position on "magic stick" from way back in the day when there was a thread about it where some people thought it wasn't all that: "only ilx could hate on this song!!!"

― Banana Nutrament (ghostface), Monday, 18 July 2005 02:27 (twenty years ago)

haha

― 33, Monday, 18 July 2005 02:28 (twenty years ago)

its funny i got in this position really cuz i hate on shady/aftermath like no other

― 3, Monday, 18 July 2005 02:29 (twenty years ago)

so damn tired of hype for the game

― 3, Monday, 18 July 2005 02:29 (twenty years ago)

people who wear G-Unit sneakers = the visible part of an iceberg. apparel or no, teens, frattypes and regular clubbers are still the primary buyers.

― yuengling participle (rotten03), Monday, 18 July 2005 02:29 (twenty years ago)

GAME RECOGNIZE GAME BAY-BAY

xpost but you used to rep for Em so fierce!

― Banana Nutrament (ghostface), Monday, 18 July 2005 02:29 (twenty years ago)

but get rich is still 1 of the only good new york albums in the 00s

― 3, Monday, 18 July 2005 02:29 (twenty years ago)

i only liked em when i was in h.s.

― 3, Monday, 18 July 2005 02:30 (twenty years ago)

wait wait you were in high school when you gave Encore the 10??

― Banana Nutrament (ghostface), Monday, 18 July 2005 02:30 (twenty years ago)

rea;lly i tht i was past this shit but i drink too much

― 33, Monday, 18 July 2005 02:32 (twenty years ago)

i never even heard encore!! i was 18 when i gave eminem show the 10 but i dropped outta h.s. at 17

― 33, Monday, 18 July 2005 02:32 (twenty years ago)

here goes my jeezy over here remix

http://s45.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=1ED5QOYR7HGSA29NA2DYH70TCL

― 3, Monday, 18 July 2005 02:36 (twenty years ago)

if anyone can find me a soccer mom who likes "Candy Shop" i will shit. (though i did catch my own mother singing along to Soundgarden's "Blow Up The Outside World" after years of alt-rock radio exposure, so hell anything's possible)

― yuengling participle (rotten03), Monday, 18 July 2005 02:37 (twenty years ago)

dude there are soccer mom's that dig "Wait." if the song is up at the top looking down at everyone else just assume there's a granny somewhere busting ass to it.

― miccio (miccio), Monday, 18 July 2005 02:38 (twenty years ago)

heat!!!!

― 007 (thoia), Monday, 18 July 2005 02:39 (twenty years ago)

Licensed To Ill is almost twenty years old, ya know.

― miccio (miccio), Monday, 18 July 2005 02:40 (twenty years ago)

this reminds me of that bit in Gina Arnold's "Kiss This" where some teacher says she turns down her car stereo blasting Repeater when she gets close to the school because she "doesn't want to spoil it for the kids."

― yuengling participle (rotten03), Monday, 18 July 2005 02:41 (twenty years ago)

"em show," right right, jesus plum I didn't realize you were such a prodigy!

― Banana Nutrament (ghostface), Monday, 18 July 2005 02:42 (twenty years ago)

I know of two soccer moms/volunteer classical choristers who at a bare minimum loves 50's first album to itty bitty pieces; haven't talked to them about the second one.

It's kind of difficult to get anywhere near the top of the charts and stay there without appealing to people who are over 18 as well as people under 18, plus there's an entire suburban mid-life crisis demographic that eats up "young" albums. I'd wager that anyone who doesn't think that "soccer moms" listen to 50 Cent doesn't actually know that many soccer moms.

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 18 July 2005 02:43 (twenty years ago)

who are you anyway

― 3, Monday, 18 July 2005 02:43 (twenty years ago)

b.n. i mean

― 3, Monday, 18 July 2005 02:44 (twenty years ago)

your boy up in NC with tha corny indie rock skillz

― Banana Nutrament (ghostface), Monday, 18 July 2005 02:45 (twenty years ago)

don't blow my cover though, I'm having too much fun as Tha Nutrament

― Banana Nutrament (ghostface), Monday, 18 July 2005 02:46 (twenty years ago)

Eric Bachmann?

― miccio (miccio), Monday, 18 July 2005 02:46 (twenty years ago)

ohhhhhhh

― 3, Monday, 18 July 2005 02:46 (twenty years ago)

petey pablo!

― 3, Monday, 18 July 2005 02:46 (twenty years ago)

DJ Chela 4 life

― Banana Nutrament (ghostface), Monday, 18 July 2005 02:47 (twenty years ago)

It makes sense that Pete Holsapple would assume that everybody else is an indie fronter on pop goodness.

― miccio (miccio), Monday, 18 July 2005 02:48 (twenty years ago)

OMG IT'S THE GIRL FROM MISSY ELIOTT'S WORK IT VIDEO

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 18 July 2005 02:48 (twenty years ago)

She looks like a 'Banana'

― miccio (miccio), Monday, 18 July 2005 02:51 (twenty years ago)

Banana Nutrament was the drummer in Gay Dad.

― yuengling participle (rotten03), Monday, 18 July 2005 02:51 (twenty years ago)

anyhow yeah where were we

― Banana Nutrament (ghostface), Monday, 18 July 2005 02:53 (twenty years ago)

anybody feelin that remix

― 3, Monday, 18 July 2005 02:53 (twenty years ago)

the Over Here one is my favorite of that batch. that and the 404 Soldierz one.

― Al (sitcom), Monday, 18 July 2005 02:56 (twenty years ago)

I've never heard the original but this is pretty tight!

― miccio (miccio), Monday, 18 July 2005 02:57 (twenty years ago)

yeah i've never heard the original either but it's something quite nice

― nervous (cochere), Monday, 18 July 2005 02:57 (twenty years ago)

yeah the beat's nice & the li'l place-in-France synth fill's cool but the subject matter's so boring...I know, I know, doing anything but expressing ecstatic love for this kinda stuff = "not getting it" but Jesus Christ I fall straight to sleep on lyrics like these

― Banana Nutrament (ghostface), Monday, 18 July 2005 02:57 (twenty years ago)

these days, mr. defensive!

― miccio (miccio), Monday, 18 July 2005 02:59 (twenty years ago)

even the Jurassic 5 are less predictable than this kinda lyricism

― Banana Nutrament (ghostface), Monday, 18 July 2005 02:59 (twenty years ago)

(except the closing "Free Pimp C, nigga - that's what I'm talkin' about" totally put a huge grin on my face)

― Banana Nutrament (ghostface), Monday, 18 July 2005 03:00 (twenty years ago)

maceo - ho sit down b/w da dip

http://s42.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=38FE38BAARHRG3MR9HIGMK5ZRM

― 3, Monday, 18 July 2005 03:01 (twenty years ago)

the beat on the original "Over Here" was nothing special. the video was on Uncut pretty often earlier this year. (xp)

― Al (sitcom), Monday, 18 July 2005 03:02 (twenty years ago)

404 soldierz - start some shit b/w can i talk to you

http://s43.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=1V4XVLN04L9Z22FE874PWW3LGN

― 3, Monday, 18 July 2005 03:07 (twenty years ago)

(that one is old)

― 3, Monday, 18 July 2005 03:07 (twenty years ago)

Eric Bachmann?

eric is my corny indie fuxxor ex-nc friend in seattle, miccio.

(pssst, he's also j*ss h*rv*ll underc*v*r, see recent b**rd)

― donut ferry (donut), Monday, 18 July 2005 03:13 (twenty years ago)

b**rd? you guys are so blackops, I have no idea what you're talking about

― Banana Nutrament (ghostface), Monday, 18 July 2005 03:14 (twenty years ago)

Beard. Beard!

― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Monday, 18 July 2005 03:15 (twenty years ago)

man if I get any stupider I'm gonna have to start eating with my hands

― Banana Nutrament (ghostface), Monday, 18 July 2005 03:16 (twenty years ago)

Boston: Birthplace of The Source, now Thug Soccer Mom Capital of the World

damn i just read that article finally. contender for most offensive statement:

Rap shows are often a shambles — they start late, have long intermissions between acts, the sets are short, promised acts don't appear, and they run late.

(oh right, unlike rock shows which run with the efficiency of a Fascist train station)

― yuengling participle (rotten03), Monday, 18 July 2005 03:41 (twenty years ago)

nah thats true

― 3, Monday, 18 July 2005 03:45 (twenty years ago)

i mean i dont go to rock shows but they gotta be better than rap shows

― 3, Monday, 18 July 2005 03:46 (twenty years ago)

i can rep for 3 as far as rock shows not always having delays. depends on the city though.

― donut ferry (donut), Monday, 18 July 2005 04:40 (twenty years ago)

Man this place is hoppin on a Sunday night.

GRODT is a great album. Dan I don't think there are very many people at all around here, or in particular, in the crit-world at large, that'll go to bat for it. Where did shit rank on pazz and jop hmm?

― deej.., Monday, 18 July 2005 05:13 (twenty years ago)

I know who 3 is but who are 007 and b.n.?

― deej.., Monday, 18 July 2005 05:19 (twenty years ago)

i've never noticed a huge difference between rap and rock concerts, but i admit i haven't been to a ton of rap shows. it was just the way this guy singled out Eminem for praise just because he had props onstage.

also a LOT of people on here rep for GRODT now, though i don't remember many people talking about it at the time beyond the singles.

― yuengling participle (rotten03), Monday, 18 July 2005 05:24 (twenty years ago)

Oh yeah and who are you?

― deej.., Monday, 18 July 2005 05:29 (twenty years ago)

mike jones

― yuengling participle (rotten03), Monday, 18 July 2005 05:35 (twenty years ago)

who?

― random hypeman (rotten03), Monday, 18 July 2005 05:37 (twenty years ago)

mike jones

― yuengling participle (rotten03), Monday, 18 July 2005 05:37 (twenty years ago)

Josh - I think ppl don't like the doom-ghostface-jay-z thing because its sortv a corny fuxxor answer. And those guys (well, Jay excepted but he's a weird case) all do weirdo abstractor raps which I like too but people see it as not being willing to engage with rap for what it is. I mean, praising weird is cool if its done well, but why is weird singled out? Like, whats wrong with rapping in a way that communicates ideas/concepts/feelings that people understand? Guys like Doom and Ghostface, it seems like they're popular with people who don't like to hear rappers for whom the art is inherent to the communication, who don't veil messages in dense word-puns or whatever. And I like Doom and Ghostface! And Cam'ron, which would have prolly made "3" madder than saying Jay-Z. But I can totally see why grouped together as someone's idea of "good rap" this list would be frustrating.

― deej.., Monday, 18 July 2005 05:41 (twenty years ago)

what part of "All of DipSet" did you not understand

― yuengling participle (rotten03), Monday, 18 July 2005 05:44 (twenty years ago)

haha oh yeah forgot about that.

― deej.., Monday, 18 July 2005 05:45 (twenty years ago)

GRODT is a great album. Dan I don't think there are very many people at all around here, or in particular, in the crit-world at large, that'll go to bat for it.

1) You're thinking is off, largely because of vocal detractors like me. There are way more people here who like 50 Cent than dislike him.

2) Who cares where he placed in P&J or if he's lionized by critics? People buy his albums. No one is going to sell that many albums and be genuinely disliked by most people; are you saying that a musical act's worth MUST be validated by critical acclaim (particularly considering that the lion's share of the people out there writing about music are shit-hot when it comes to historical analysis but have the actual music analysis chops of a tree stump)?

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 18 July 2005 12:16 (twenty years ago)

that's cool, I like plenty of no-frills (or *fewer* frills) emcees too (T.I., Saigon, Beanie Sigel, etc.), but I still feel like they're at least projecting something artistically, some kind of personality or perspective (and no I don't mean "artistically" in the "saying something important/good for you" sense) - recently at least 50 feels to me more like a blank slate, ie. he's only interesting because of what he's been built up by other people to be/represent.

― Josh Love (screamapillar), Monday, 18 July 2005 13:07 (twenty years ago)

1) You're thinking is off, largely because of vocal detractors like me. There are way more people here who like 50 Cent than dislike him.

Maybe. Didn't one of his songs get the most hate-votes in some ILM poll? I seem to remember this. I might be wrong.

>2) Who cares where he placed in P&J or if he's lionized by critics? People buy his albums. No one is going to sell that many albums and be genuinely disliked by most people; are you saying that a musical act's worth MUST be validated by critical acclaim (particularly considering that the lion's share of the people out there writing about music are shit-hot when it comes to historical analysis but have the actual music analysis chops of a tree stump)?

Of course I don't think he needs to be validated by critical acclaim! I'm just saying critics are wrong to ignore him, musically, which is essentially what they've done. Every piece on him is either about his backstory or about Eminem and very rarely about the music itself. Music that is actually pretty good. I'm not sure who that last sentence is a dig at! And I do feel sort of weird defending 50 right now, seeing as I disliked The Massacre and "Candy Shop" as much as the worst 50 detractors.

― deej.., Monday, 18 July 2005 13:19 (twenty years ago)

wasn't GRODT voted #1 in some ILM most hated albums poll? I completely disagree with Dan re: "No one is going to sell that many albums and be genuinely disliked by most people". Become that successful makes you a magnet for hate, simply because more people have heard of. So 10 million people liked 50 enough to buy his album, big deal, I bet at least twice as many people would profess to hate him.

― Al (sitcom), Monday, 18 July 2005 13:19 (twenty years ago)

yeah dan for real you think album sales mean shit about what anybody thinks of a rapper? eminems last CD did 5 million but i could not name one person who actually bought it! alanis morrisette sold like 20 million copies of her CD back in the 90s, how many alanis morrissette fans do you know now?? the rap game hates 50, maybe some midwestern white girls and 35 yr old rap dudes who dont know what else to buy copped his shit on hype but your average g-unit stan heard candy shop and changed the damn station

― 3, Monday, 18 July 2005 14:07 (twenty years ago)

So basically, unless an artist appeals to the expected demographic, they're worthless. Got it.

There are still tons and tons of Alanis fans out there; the just happen to be fans of only her first album.

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 18 July 2005 14:09 (twenty years ago)

and the fact that rock critics reviewed this massacre shit and kept up w/ the singles and whatnot disgusts me considering get rich is on of the finest gangsta albums of the 00s and was mostly overlooked except in lil tiny capsule reviews in a list of 1000 others and now we got rap nerds salivating over bullshit like ski mask way which is a decent track but would not even be considered for his 1st cd. and youre way off about ilm appreciation too cuz at the time the only ppl who repped for it was me and mark p!

― 3, Monday, 18 July 2005 14:10 (twenty years ago)

CRISIS ON INFINITE ANECDOTAL RAP AUDIENCES

― miccio (miccio), Monday, 18 July 2005 14:11 (twenty years ago)

dan i think youre confusing fan w/ somebody who just happened to buy a CD! alanis never sold as much as crazier bitches like tori amos or bjork but which fanbase do you think she would rather have now?

― 3, Monday, 18 July 2005 14:11 (twenty years ago)

i mean shit like massacre doin 5 million copies, so much of that is kids, you know, high school girls or dudes who need something to put on during football practice one year or college students who play a CD maybe 5 times total, they copped it and it counted towards sales but you cant say hes actually got obsessive fans 5 million deep right now

― 3, Monday, 18 July 2005 14:13 (twenty years ago)

most folks probably just coulndt wait for the now thats what i call music w/ hate it or love it on it

― 3, Monday, 18 July 2005 14:14 (twenty years ago)

trife they're still "real"

― miccio (miccio), Monday, 18 July 2005 14:15 (twenty years ago)

Miccio OTM; this is a stupid argument and I'm embarrassed for contributing to it.

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 18 July 2005 14:15 (twenty years ago)

yeah but does that kinda shit affect 50's standing w/ most ppl? when it comes to 50 im alot closer to a midwestern white girl than a g-unit dickrider so dont act like im shittin on any of that

― 3, Monday, 18 July 2005 14:17 (twenty years ago)

oh get off it dan how is this stupid?

― 3, Monday, 18 July 2005 14:17 (twenty years ago)

I think what 3's getting at is that a couple million sales does not = respect.

― deej.., Monday, 18 July 2005 14:19 (twenty years ago)

i don't think even the most sociopathic people on ILX should assume what "most" people are up to. There are still people who cut themselves for Better Than Ezra, I think we can assume 50 has a few.

― miccio (miccio), Monday, 18 July 2005 14:19 (twenty years ago)

yeah maybe its just a south thing!! if you asked me if young buck still got fans itd be a difft story

― 3, Monday, 18 July 2005 14:20 (twenty years ago)

look i know new york is desperate to be important in rap again but cmon, candy shop!?!

― 3, Monday, 18 July 2005 14:21 (twenty years ago)

El-P should produce for ghostface! That'll put NYC on the map.

― deej.., Monday, 18 July 2005 14:23 (twenty years ago)

Yes that was a joke.

― deej.., Monday, 18 July 2005 14:23 (twenty years ago)

you'd be surprised how many towns in the US have MTV but not much in the way of a rap game, dude.

― miccio (miccio), Monday, 18 July 2005 14:24 (twenty years ago)

It's stupid because we're talking from to completely different demographics here; 50 Cent is still ginormous in my everyday context and no one could give a shit about him in yours. Okay, fine. What's really left to discuss? "No, MY anectdotal experience is way more important than yours." "No you're wrong, and furthermore since I'm on the real tip I can speak for everyone in the country who laid down cash for this album." "No actually, my massive brain and my enormous penis are both points against you." "Lick the balls." etc etc etc etc

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 18 July 2005 14:25 (twenty years ago)

i came from a town of 1000 ppl in south carolina and we still decided what rappers was hot and what rappers was trash

― 3, Monday, 18 July 2005 14:26 (twenty years ago)

yeah i understand what you mean dan i guess i didnt realize you were arguing from a mainstream viewpoint instead of what rap actually thinks of 50

― 3, Monday, 18 July 2005 14:27 (twenty years ago)

I'm not sure what just happened, but my point upthread was strictly the world of ILX and critics, (neither of which are two far removed from the other), on which 50 Cent plays a bit part compared to the likes of M.I.A. and the Hold Steady.

― deej.., Monday, 18 July 2005 14:27 (twenty years ago)

Did somebody say "Lick the balls"?

http://www.vh1.com/shared/media/news/images/s/Slick_Rick/sq-plaid-shirt-intvw-03.jpg

x-post: did somebody say "rap"?

― the ruler (miccio), Monday, 18 July 2005 14:28 (twenty years ago)

Hahahahaha I am the LAST person who would try to talk about what rap thinks of anyone!

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 18 July 2005 14:28 (twenty years ago)

What does rap think of Three Doors Down, ethan? I know Ludacris big-upped them in Blender.

― miccio (miccio), Monday, 18 July 2005 14:29 (twenty years ago)

I think the Massacre is 50 Cent's New Jersey as opposed to Get Rich's Slippery When Wet.

― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Monday, 18 July 2005 14:30 (twenty years ago)

man im not tryna say i alone know what rap thinks of artists just that we can argue that sensibly

― 3, Monday, 18 July 2005 14:31 (twenty years ago)

xpost here comes more juelz = neil young comparisons

― 3, Monday, 18 July 2005 14:31 (twenty years ago)

btw i actually said this shit early in the thread when i mentioned d12 and nobody disagreed then! they did like 3 million on that last CD

― 3, Monday, 18 July 2005 14:33 (twenty years ago)

A fellow professor - a fortysomething white male – was mumbling "Just a Lil Bit" to himself in the library elevator this morning, which should fuck with some people's observations about who buys Fitty's records.

― Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Monday, 18 July 2005 14:36 (twenty years ago)

you better hope it was to himself

― miccio (miccio), Monday, 18 July 2005 14:49 (twenty years ago)

50 Cent > D12 no matter what the context is!

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 18 July 2005 14:51 (twenty years ago)

d12 world >>>>>>>>>>> the massacre

― 3, Monday, 18 July 2005 14:53 (twenty years ago)

If the album tracks are more like "My Band" than "How Come," maybe.

― miccio (miccio), Monday, 18 July 2005 14:57 (twenty years ago)

and even then it would be just a single >

― miccio (miccio), Monday, 18 July 2005 14:58 (twenty years ago)

hahahah how come is wack as fuck but they come w/ some lyrics on most of that album! did you never hear 40 oz?

― 3, Monday, 18 July 2005 15:00 (twenty years ago)

yeah true i would save >>>>>>>>>> for devils night vs massacre

― 3, Monday, 18 July 2005 15:00 (twenty years ago)

I could totally see Fiddy doing "Drips."

― Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Monday, 18 July 2005 15:11 (twenty years ago)

drips was obie not any of the d12 cats, but yeah classic song!! i can see lloyd banks doin it, angrily

― 3, Monday, 18 July 2005 15:13 (twenty years ago)

no, dude! "Drips" is VILE. Eminem and D12 only work when they collab on novelty meta-songs like "My Band.'

― Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Monday, 18 July 2005 15:15 (twenty years ago)

I haven't heard Devil's Night in ages but I loved what I heard - just a bunch of guys passing the mic around and trying to gross each other out.

― miccio (miccio), Monday, 18 July 2005 15:16 (twenty years ago)

yeah its shamefully one of my favorite albums, stands up alot better now than all that old eminem too

― 3, Monday, 18 July 2005 15:19 (twenty years ago)

It does sound a bit like every lunchroom gross-out gag you told in 6th grade.

― Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Monday, 18 July 2005 15:20 (twenty years ago)

D12 are like that Method Man skit on the first Wu-Tang album in which he threatens to tie your asshole closed and then he'lll keep FEEDIN' YA and FEEDIN' YA

― Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Monday, 18 July 2005 15:25 (twenty years ago)

yeah but they do it with a real flair that alot of the detroit horror rap folk aint got

― 3, Monday, 18 July 2005 15:26 (twenty years ago)

I love that skit!

― miccio (miccio), Monday, 18 July 2005 15:31 (twenty years ago)

40 oz is so great! Underrated clearly.

― deej.., Monday, 18 July 2005 15:36 (twenty years ago)

It also helps that it's a much-needed funny interlude in an album that's unrelentingly grim.

(xxpost)

― Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Monday, 18 July 2005 15:38 (twenty years ago)

anyways, how are TI and Saigon "no frill" rappers?

― Sym Sym (sym), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 01:12 (twenty years ago)

3 you know I love you but I seriously don't think you know shit about album sales & demographics, you're talking like you got your info outta magazines or something

― Banana Nutrament (ghostface), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 01:44 (twenty years ago)

2 page spread vs 1?

― 007 (thoia), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 01:49 (twenty years ago)

hey can ppl list more great winter 0203 rap cds you cld almost hear passin all those girls in scarves or wonderin if itd snow just once? i like how loyaltys got that kay slay dropin and then its just memories

― 007 (thoia), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 02:00 (twenty years ago)

heehee:

WASHINGTON (Reuter-CP) -- Canada's Alanis Morissette has tied Whitney Houston for having the best-selling album ever by a female solo artist, the Recording Industry Association of America said Wednesday.

notice it doesn't say "tied them crazy bitches bjork and tori amos"

just sayin'.

― hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 02:04 (twenty years ago)

crazier! i myself wouldnt suggest either did more #s career cuz im always shocked ppl know bjork at all, wait at virgin for midnight boxes etc. im kind of hoping the two cld stay steady and tied for like a decade, till ties broken

― 007 (thoia), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 02:10 (twenty years ago)

i really liked whitney and bobby together at last the last place i ws that there ws cable!

― 007 (thoia), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 02:32 (twenty years ago)

yeah whitney's nuts. anyway that was clipped from an article a while back, alanis probably beat out whitney eventually. dunno where crazy bitch mariah carey is in the standings.

― hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 02:54 (twenty years ago)

maybe only doing the 400 relay and not really wanting to attach a 3200

― 007 (thoia), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 03:01 (twenty years ago)

fourteen years pass...

aw snap poor fiddy

― Bo Johnson Coviddied (Neanderthal), Friday, 10 April 2020 04:20 (five years ago)

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