DID ANYONE SEE KANYE WEST ON THE RED CROSS PRESENTATION ON NBC?

(kanye rambles on about nothing for two minutes)

(mike raps it up)

and then, kanye:

"george bush doesn't care about black people"

(mike myers looks at kanye, shocked)

(quick emergency cut to chris tucker, who doesn't know what to say)

Someone post the audio/video ASAP.

Vid should be up at crooksandliars.com or wonkette or any of the usual places.

Well, he was clearly nervous as fuck (which is odd, given the man's sizable ego....you'd think he'd relish speaking to such a massive audience). But his heart was in the right place, I think. He was just speaking off the cuff.

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What have you done for black people lately?

What have you done for black people lately?

What are you trying to say, Cunga? That because I'm not the biggest Hip Hop fan that I must be a racist?

In a selfish and unprofessional move, Kanye West used a Red Cross benefit to benefit his own personal platform Friday night during the NBC Hurricane Katrina Relief program.

In a disgusting display, West strayed from his prepared script to offer an overflow of hatred from his mouth, taking the spotlight off of the matter at hand, turning the relief program into his own personal soapbox.

http://www.juiceenewsdaily.com/0605/news/west.html

Strangely, I didn't hear a "buy my album" plug? What platform would that be?

I'm not sure whether I'm anticipating or dreading what the conservative media will say about it.

He'll replace Ludacris as Bill O'Reilly's scapegoat.

Not at all. I just think it's a little self-righteous to think the only thing keeping Bush from doing a better job is him being on a lower moral level than you or Kanye West.

Mike Myers: [dutifully reads canned plea for charity on teleprompter]

Kanye: [abandons teleprompter] "I hate the way they portray us in the media. You see a black family and they say we are looting, you see a white family and they say they are looking for food. And, you know, its been five days because most of the people ARE black. And even for me to complain, I would be a hypocrite because I would turn away from the TV because it's too hard to watch. I've even been shopping before even giving a donation, so now I'm calling my business manager right to see what is the biggest amount I can give. And just to imagine, if I was down there and those are my people down there. If there is anybody out there that wants to do anything that we can help about the way America is set up the help the poor, the black people, the less well off as slow as possible. Red cross is doing as much as they can. We already realize a lot of the people that could help are at war right now, fighting another way. And now they've given them permission to go down and shoot us.

Mike Myers: [stands frozen in horror, decides to pretend nothing happened and stick with the teleprompter]

Kanye: GEORGE BUSH DOES NOT CARE ABOUT BLACK PEOPLE.

Mike Myers: [descends into complete panic]

Who suggested that? There are plenty of elements preventing Bush from doing a better job.

I agree with that, that's why I don't think we need to immediately make it an issue of morality and some people being more moral than others about caring for colored folk.

During the concert for Hurricane Relief, Kanye West and Mike Meyers were celebrity narrators during the segment, West said: (rush transcript)

...I hate the way they are portrayed in the media. Black families it says they are looting, white families it says the are looking for food....They've given them permission to go down there and shoot us"

"George Bush doesn't care about black people."

Mike Meyers was floored...

vid's up. get it now before the C&L servers are overwhelmed again.

mike myers nervous eye scratch after the "permission to shoot us" remark is funny. he even starts to rush his delivery of the teleprompted script, in an effort to get the fuck off camera asap ahahah

KANYE WEST ON NBC FUNDRAISER: 'GEORGE BUSH DOESN'T CARE ABOUT BLACK PEOPLE... They're saying black families are looting and white families are just looking for food...they're giving the (Army) permission to shoot us'... Actor Mike Myers asked people to donate... then Kanye West went on a tirade about Iraq...

Umm, could someone find me the "tirade about Iraq" in Kanye's comments kthxbye

other conservative media, however, have been going on tirades against bush for a few days now. joe scarborough on msnbc, for example, who's pretty much turned his show into an anti-government soapbox.

this isn't a sinead-on-SNL moment. she attacked the pope. bush is not the pope. (yet.)

Which is pretty much like saying "All liberals look alike."

http://www.nbc.com/nbc/Hurricane_Relief/

wonder if they'll cut kanye.

There was a several-second tape delay, but the person in charge ?was instructed to listen for a curse word, and didn?t realize (West) had gone off-script,? said NBC spokeswoman Rebecca Marks.

As the show came to a close, host Matt Lauer noted that ?emotions in this country right now are running very high. Sometimes that emotion is translated into inspiration, sometimes into criticism. We?ve heard some of that tonight. But it?s still part of the American way of life.?

In a statement, NBC said, ?Kanye West departed from the scripted comments that were prepared for him, and his opinions in no way represent the views of the networks.

?It would be most unfortunate,? the statement continued, ?if the efforts of the artists who participated tonight and the generosity of millions of Americans who are helping those in need are overshadowed by one person?s opinion.?

watch his eyes; every single thing out of his mouth is straight from his heart. he's vocalizing 5 days worth of emotion so fast he can't edit it, and he looks ready to explode and/or break down at any second.

he just sold another album.

... though I think he blew it with the blanket statement of bush not caring about black people. He should have returned to the notion of the guard being mobilized after a couple of bangers starting shooting at cops. That could have been politically devastating for GWB ... instead Kanye played right into hands of the right-wing asshole soundbyte partol that'll filter him through their "yet another stupid nigger" machine.

He was just on the cover of TIME, man, he's not exactly that enigmatic.

they ran the kanye/myers segment ALMOST intact on the cnbc repeat. they left in kanye saying, "and now they've given them permission to go down and shoot us." and then they cut away, leaving "george bush does not care about black people" on the cutting room floor, presumably never to be broadcast again.

can't have the rapper saying george bush does not care about black people. but apparently CAN have the rapper saying the federal government has sent troops out to shoot black people.

hmmmmm.

as for kanye's delivery, nervous or whatever, that was an absolutely fucking real moment on tv, the kind of absolutely fucking real moment you never see, and it was great.

He knew he was about to get cut off, so he went out with a bang.

again, watch his eyes. during the last line, they never move from the camera.

More like, he shot himself in the ass.

are you kidding? do you know how many more albums he just inadvertantly sold?

Kanye sells a lot of albums. Vedder, at the time, was selling lots of albums. That's why they both graced the cover of the magazine. It's really not that complicated.

In the long run, he blew a golden opportunity, I think.

Though it's AWESOME someone had the balls to give it a go like that!!

He in fact does check all the factses. My bad ...

See, I don't think this is the same, because a lot of Kanye's white fans will agree with what he had to say.

And therein lies the enigma. I'm floored by how popular Kanye actually is ...

If it does lead to increased admiration and sales, however, then that tells us how little political capital Bush truly has left.

But he's the most popular "rapper," which is a classification no one associates traidtionally with network-television mass consumption (though perhaps they ought to now). I mean, the post 9/11 telethon had no hip-hop presence at all. So the fact that the telethon organizers felt Kanye belonged on the same stage as Mike Myers, Tim McGraw, and Aaron Neville is a HELL of a coup.

But he was able to articulate something that a lot of angry people are thinking right now.

(xpost)

Uhh....

BTW, where are the Cash Money guys and Master P in the midst of all of this? If anyone has a civil rights platform right now, it's Mannie Fresh and Juvenile and Master P.

uhh what? that's how rich celebrities deal with money. they have business managers who watch over it for them. and kanye is a rich celebrity. would you have preferred that he say "now i'm reaching into my wallet to see what is the biggest amount i can give?"

Of course it is. But explain that one to network executives. I mean, the fact no rappers appeared on A Tribute to Heroes is downright offensive. My point is that hip-hop's pervasisve influence is never reflected in the grand-stage type of deals.

But Alex will always have children by the millions waiting for him.

The rapper was not in New Orleans when Hurricane Katrina hit. His home was located near the water on Lake Pontchartrain, in St. Tammany Parish in the city of Slidell. New Orleans' neighbor to the east, Slidell was crossed by the eye of the hurricane, and Juvenile lost his house and all of his possessions. The multi-platinum rapper grew up in the Magnolia Projects in the center of New Orleans, and he has always been a New Orleans resident. His parents also live in New Orleans, and he has more than 200 relatives in the area. The locations of many of his family members are still unknown, and only about half of them were able to get out before the hurricane arrived. Many of his friends also have still to locate family members.
http://www.groovevolt.com/Newswires/newswire.asp?ID=1549

The people who'll get up in arms over this weren't going to buy Kanye's album anyway. And he's already sold ten albums to ILXors.

xpost

Thanks, Jeff! :-)

just watched this again and noticed that neville chickened out on newman's great last verse:

president coolidge come down in a railroad train
with a little fat man with a note-pad in his hand
the president say, "little fat man, isn't it a shame
what the river has done to this poor cracker's land"

i don't think i need to tell you which parts nevile didn't sing.

i hereby deduct some of the "nice" points i awarded him earlier.

Re: Americans reacting negatively, that last thing Kanye West said is exactly what my mom said this afternoon watching CNN footage of Bush's visit to Mississippi.

that's the thing about the segment. it seems so emotionally raw & honest. he doesn't say "i'm donating $X million" or "i'll donate as much as i can." He knows that his business manager has all his money, so by God, he'll go right to his business manager.

he fumbles over everything, blurting out confessional self-accusations. Mike takes over, and he's able to grab a breath and gird himself what he's about to say next.

Also, Chris, you might wanna check the two(or four) Katrina threads going on over at ILE right now. some of this info's been well-covered & discussed.

My mom is not the most progressive person in the world but Bush was on TV hugging people for a photo-op and she was like, duh. He doesn't care.

Being rebroadcast on CNN right now. Complete with final Bush line.

Jackson: Well.... he doesn't show it.

NICE.

KANYE!!! (bernie mac voice)

transcript here

WTF? Is that a shot? Just asking. I'm informed, dude.

HAHAHA I didn't notice the irony until now. He's wearing a polo t-shirt with the U.N. logo on it while criticizing an American president for not caring about black people because he didn't come to intervene during a tragedy. Ironically it was the U.N. that wouldn't intervene in Rwanda ten years ago and stop blacks from being exterminated by their own black government. It's like condemning Hitler for racism while wearing a t-shirt with Stalin's face on it.

that's the thing. remember our media culture: this will get decried and rejoiced and written upon endlessly, and then the coverage will be covered, and so on.

and more and more people are going to say it.

as alluded to upthread, Kanye has now replaced Ludacris & Eminem as the target for all the reactionary fuckheads.

Golden opportunity there ...

And if there's one thing that mobilizes American voters to oust Repulican presidents and turn the tide of war and suffering, it's Maureen Dowd columns....

(Seriously though, it is a very good column...)

no, no it isn't. i'm just saying that it's a good parallel to what we're talking about here.

He's really just piling on in advance.

And I love him for it.

My apologies, Kingfish. Thanks for pointing out those other threads. What a week to be an American who cares, heh?

But who effectively weakened FEMA's ability to efficiently act? And who pimp slapped the Army Corps of Engineers? The Bush administration. There's a definite correlation between the two, I think.

Be well, John. I hope your family and friends emerge from this mess healthy.

Also, I'm so clueless that I just realized that dude's name isn't Kayne.

I was so hoping Bush would press his luck in actual New Orleans ... could have set up the worst photo-op in Prez history ... "I care deeply about the people of ... " (BANG!)

-- Chris O. (oconnorscrib...), September 3rd, 2005 11:22 PM. (later)

Ah, here's another President Cheney fan. Too bad he doesn't care about black people either.

5:54: Still can't believe Kanye West ripped Bush. That was great. (Also reminded me of the “Saturday Night Live” skit where Mike Myers plays an infomercial guy who has to deal with a racist Heather Locklear. Totally different message from what Kanye said, but the look on Myers' face was the same.)

OTM!

Katrina's POLITICAL aftermath (keep the political discussions HERE)

Katrina's aftermath

Might as well link 'em here.

John:

As Commander-in-chief it is Bush's job to get the National Guard and FEMA to the area in a timely process. That did not happen.

x-post

An undisclosed loca*is shot*

HELL YEAH KANYE, YOU KNOW HOW WE DO

MSNBC's blog of the broadcast.

another source for the clip, too.

meanwhile more people might bother to read your posts if you'd lay your cards on the table. be like kanye - grow some balls.

Why are you attacking me now? I'm not only in error but in sin it seems.

How is clothing not essential?

The rest I don't have a problem with, but I'd think that clothes would kind of be necessary right now.

no he cared more about rightwing hacks like yourself who say the us shouldn't 'nationbuild' or 'be the world's policeman' when it involves saving lives, but when it involves taking them you ask where to sign (metaphorically of course; you wimps never actually enlist or anything). there was a time when the west (which when referring to the un means 'britain/france/us' - i'll give you five guesses which one blocked action in the balkans) didn't care about thousands of people of dying if it was outside their borders, bush has extended this negligence/privelige to thousands of people dying within america as well. maybe he hates our freedom.

chill that xenophobic shit, Michelle Malkin. other countries are GIVING us oil from their own strategic reserve, for fucks sake.

hmm i coulda sworn i heard him miss more words than "cracker," but maybe that was my mind playing tricks on me. i heard one missed word and then backtracked and inserted more missed words, maybe.

but anyway, i should've pointed out the important, gutsy and strange thing (strange that they let him get away with it, that is) is the last line of the chorus: "THEY'RE trying to wash us away," sung as an open accusation, and repeated several times. quite political, considering the context. i restore all my earlier praise of mr. neville.

whoa, whoa, whoa! Am I a "big government imperialistic fascist" rightwing hack or a "tiny government libertarian isolationist" rightwing hack who's for dismantling the government? Or maybe I'm just the type of person who's a rightwing hack simply because I'm obviously not a leftwing hack. If you're not on the left then you're obviously on the right (and maybe a libertarianfascist at that!).

Your diatribe is embarrassing and I wish you'd save some of the love and compassion you have for black people (that I "obviously" don't have) for the strawman you've built that vaguely resembles me. Your tolerance and compassion seems to stop when you think you've found someone who embodies a political enemy.

http://www.gnn.tv/headlines/4645/Kanye_West_takes_Bush_to_task_during_NBC_telethon

Kanye should have worn a Red Cross shirt and then we wouldn't be having this discussion.

This decade sucks, you mean.

What am I dodging and what am I not doing that would make you think I have "grown a pair"?

also why is "obviously" in quotes? who you quoting?

"rightwing hacks like yourself who say the us shouldn't 'nationbuild' or 'be the world's policeman' when it involves saving lives, but when it involves taking them you ask where to sign"

:( Seems the biggest failure I have is not realizing the importance of human life as much as you do. Try not to break your wrist stroking your own ego.

Oh well, let's end the flame war now before we get some e-casualties, shall we? I can be a big government/small government fascist libertarian because I think Kanye was being pretty self-righteous and hypocritical and you can continue fighting the war against people who still don't realize the importance of human life.

Kanye should have worn a Red Cross shirt and then we wouldn't be having this discussion.

He should've been wearing a Jon Mayer t-shirt as Mayer is someone that white people and black people can listen to. Either that or a Franz Ferdinand tee.

that too.

QUESTION:
Apparently O'Reilly is being trashed by his own reporters on Fox right now, so maybe other things will be at play.
-- Ned Raggett (ne...), September 3rd, 2005.

I missed this. What's this about?

check the ILE threads. Geraldo & the other guy down there are breaking down on camera due to the human misery, and yelling at Bill & hannity when they roll their eyes and try to spin it otherwise.

info here and video link

"no he cared more about rightwing hacks like yourself who say the us shouldn't 'nationbuild' or 'be the world's policeman' when it involves saving lives, but when it involves taking them you ask where to sign (metaphorically of course; you wimps never actually enlist or anything)"

One of my first posts in this thread was about the self-righteousness of making the failures of aid being merely a case of morality and one lone politician not "caring" enough/being racist.

My other posts have talked about the hypocrisy of Kanye wearing a UN t-shirt while bashing Bush for being incompetent in helping black people and not coming to their aid (hence the Rwanda post)

who are you quoting?

My "since I 'obviously' don't care..." line was in reference to your previous line about me looking for a place to sign when it came to taking human lives.

Not reading my earlier posts != dodging questions.

what point stands now?

in many pictures you can see these people breaking into drug stores for prescription drugs and alcohol, while other break into other stores, stealing clothes, shoes, and other non-essentials. These looters are pulling cops and workers away from rescuing others who are still trapped in their homes or on their roofs. How is that forgivable?

on one hand, this is hard to forgive. the snipers firing on rescuers are the element that sends this way over into the deepest kind of tragedy. but I can probably forgive them if I consider that they were abandoned to go through things I can't accurately imagine.

I dunno, look at the room you're in right now, posting to your computer, and imagine drowning in it.

this rude pundit blog posted to the katrina politcal thread, nails it:
http://rudepundit.blogspot.com/2005/09/totally-black-in-new-orleans-before.html

Fox News took a shot at Kanye as early as this morning.

Seriously, this will be on at least two of the sunday shows(if not all), and all over the radio and Nightline by tuesday.

Rappers don't really do teleprompters y'know, they like to freestyle. This line has no background noise, it just begs to be sampled & scratched.

The BBC is saying essentially the same thing as Kanye (my bolds :

"The Bush administration, together with Congress, cut the budgets for flood protection and army engineers, while local politicians failed to generate any enthusiasm for local tax increases.

New Orleans partied-on just hoping for the best, abandoned by anyone in national authority who could have put the money into really protecting the city.

Meanwhile, the poorest were similarly abandoned, as the horrifying images and stories from the Superdome and Convention Center prove.

The truth was simple and apparent to all. If journalists were there with cameras beaming the suffering live across America, where were the officers and troops?

The neglect that meant it took five days to get water, food, and medical care to thousands of mainly orderly African-American citizens desperately sheltering in huge downtown buildings of their native city, has been going on historically, for as long as the inadequate levees have been there."

Does there exist a more tired line for righties to trot out whenever they take shit from someone to the left Dick Cheney? "You argued back and told me to go to hell WHERE'S YOUR FABLED FREE SPEECH NOW, KOMMIE????"

As for Mike Myers: I don't think his horrified reaction was due to any sympathy for Bush. I just think that as someone who appeared on a live TV show for many years he's used to the teleprompter and he reacted as a professional actor who is suddenly shocked when another actor goes off-script. It was like a little "Tootsie" moment.

See also Michael Moore "We live in fictitious times..." etc.

1) Where were the 100's of buses shipping people out of there 5-7
days ago ?

2) Where were the 100's of helicopters dropping food, water & medicine 5-7 days ago ?

3) The overwhelming majority of 'looters' were actually
just trying to survive.

The ENTIRE Bush administration (including FEMA) is
brutally corrupt and/or extremely negligent.

-- Susan Douglas

I'm looking at the lack of noise this is generating around the web, with an increasing disbelief. From here (England, hi) it looks like an even worse dereliction of duty than say... 9/11. Maybe the silence is a sign of deep shock & bewilderment from Americans?

Either way. My suggestions is you march for the accountability of these bastards.

---

America Supports You Freedom Walk? or, New Orleans-style Funeral March?

http://www.asyfreedomwalk.com/

You have until the 9th to register - https://www.penfed.org/freedomwalk/register.asp

[url=http://americablog.blogspot.com/2005/09/while-people-are-dying-in-nola-3.html]While people are dying in New Orleans America's top health agency is being told to devote its time and energy to a party.[/url]

Of course, hip-hop radio is not likely to ostracize Kanye for his comment in the same way that country radio ostracized the Chicks. If anything, it will help probably help his sales as out-of-touch liberals who vaguely recognize him as the guy on the cover of Time last week buy Late Registration as a gesture of solidarity.

I agree that the clip was a shockingly "real" moment for television. It's telling that the network's immediate response was that West "went off script," as if that's the worst possible thing that someone can do. This was certainly a lot more compelling off script moment than, say, Elvis Costello's decision to play "Radio, Radio" on Saturday Night Live instead of whatever song he was supposed to play. I always thought that Mike Myers was a sort of cool and funny guy, but his zombie-like reaction to Kanye's decision to do something other than read the platitudes on the teleprompter just made him look like a tool.

Bush= 3 MSM= 0

Blanco has not only NOT stood behind many of her decisions which have in effect led to the death and displacement of many, she has eagerly watched as the media continues to put all the blame on Bush for her MISTAKES! She has used the death of thousands to further her political agenda!

That's because you have the sense of humor of a dead dog and the brain quality of same.

Source please. Preferably not freerepublic.com, thanks.

I blame Bush for the lack of peanut butter in my fridge this morning!

Ordering a state of emergency is not the same thing as ordering your citizens to evacuate. And regardless of what the White House Press Office said or did not say, the fact still remains that she is directly responsible for the Red Cross being denied access to those people who needed food and water. And did you ever hear her step up and admit that and then back her decision to do so? NO! Because she doesn't have the guts, that's why! She has accomplished her mission by turning people like you against Bush while she trys to sit back and look like the marter! Bullshit! She should be held directly responsible for the unnecessary deaths of so many.

But I mean I blame Bush for the existance of Cheetos so don't take my word for it. I'm on an agenda here.

In other words, people who are paying attention.

One can tell how highly intelligent you are by your magnificent post above. Obviously, you disagree with my point of view. Since I am always interested in the other person's point of view, please help me to understand why you appear to be a supporter of Governor Blanco.
In fact, I'd like your take on the whole Katrina situation from a political standpoint. Someone with intelligence as superior as yours surely will be able to "open my eyes" and enlighten me to the evil ways of President Bush!

I was impressed with the "big" word you used-----unadulterated. Making progress aren't we???

Now, who is responsible for hiring and firing Skeletor and Pony Commander...? I wonder...was it Nagin? No! Was it Dan Perry? No! Was it D. Jones? No! I believe it was President Bush!

Whose wife, btw, is wandering around news channels referring to the disaster as "Hurricane Corrina." These are caring individuals!

xpost it is difficult to have an educated debate with someone who is actually of the opinion that the governor of an impoverished, small state is actually the ultimate problem in this national crisis!

DOES ANYONE ELSE SEE THAT THIS IS NOT COOL

Thank you for you civilized and intelligible comments. Nice to know someone on this board is able to offer more than pointless, idiotic, childish comments that one can neither understand nor respond to.

WHY DID PONY COMMANDER BROWN NOT CALL UPON THESE SOLDIERS IN HIS EMERGENCY ARSENAL????

latest LJ icon floating around.

Obviously I was wrong about you. To bad. You had potential. Anyway, I will not be returning to this board as there are no intelligent forms of life here to communicate with or carry on a civilized debate.

And in case all of you didn't get that (because I used words that were too big like "will" and "not", I jump a few hundred notches down and put in terms you will understand:

"Fuck off you bunch of low life, theiving, ignorant, uneducated, whoring, breeding like rabbits, niggers!"

There. Hope that was in terms you were able to understand.

P.S. Anyone planning to post a reponse to this message can save their time! I will never return to this board. Your posts will fall on blind eyes. Why waste time reading stupid, lame, puns from idiots?

Adios!

What kind of lame shit is this? I fault the governor, the mayor, the president, and anyone else who's ever been to New Orleans or read about the EXACT DETAILS of what would happen and had the ability to make a stand -- and didn't. I personally heard the details of what would happen over a year ago, since it was pretty much common knowledge. Did I mention it to others? Yes. Did I write my senator to urge for more funding for that venture? No, because I had some sort of faith that the people in charge would get something done. I fucked up.

Well, everyone from the mayor (who didn't let people in the superdome until the last minute during the last hurricane because they "might vandalize it") to the governor (who is apparently waffling on her use of the national guard and what policy to use in regard to evacuation) fucked up too! And, guess what, I fault FEMA and the administration that has chosen to sideline their purpose by combining them with the DHS. The president, vice president, and others should have someone to rely on when it comes to this disaster service -- how come they didn't have a solid plan? The response to what was an obvious disaster (one of the top three possible for the year!) should have been by the book and nearly choreographed. Instead we had a non-communicative White House because the communications office is on vacation (or off getting married, apparently) and a chain of command that is vague at best.

I'm not saying "oh it's Bush, that poor governor!", I am saying that not only did pretty much everyone drop the ball, they didn't even know the rules of the goddamn sport they're playing.

huh, can't say anyone's ever called me THAT before.

Ha - I was about to say! Hope you appreciate the on-topic discourse, sir!

love the quote from "Bob Dobalina"!!!

woot!

HAHAHAHAHAHA!

Yeah, annoying, racist, ill-informed, and dead. This thread needs an exorcism, stat.

Am I Right? a.k.a. JustSaying

lol kanye

Yo, Katrina, I'm really happy for you, I'm a let you finish, but the Galveston Hurricane has one of the best hurricanes of all time!

It was cool when ODB did it.

http://board.mdc2.org/albums/mdc6/1252991788173.jpg

lol @ ILXors in 2005 posting videos as MPGs via YouSendIt.