why dont black people really like any music other than black music?

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it seems where i live, in a mainly black area of south london, they only like black music. i was very surprised to find in my local music market stall, they had the country artist jim reeves next to all the hip hop, reggae and R&B Cds. its weird that black people all seem to like this one country artist, but not any others. or at least nowhere near as much. how come black people all like jim? its bizarre. white people seem to like all sorts of music, all black music too, but black people dont seem to like anything outside their own music. its weird that they like jim reeves, that he has this huge popularity with black people.

captainkirk, Friday, 9 September 2005 17:20 (nineteen years ago)

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Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Friday, 9 September 2005 17:22 (nineteen years ago)

joseph cotten (joseph cotten), Friday, 9 September 2005 17:22 (nineteen years ago)

(Dom, I extend to you half of a virtual high-five)

joseph cotten (joseph cotten), Friday, 9 September 2005 17:23 (nineteen years ago)

[sarcasm]you never asked ME what music I listen to. come to think of it, I don't think you've asked any black people what kind of music we like seeing as how every single last one of us are exactly the same and like all the same things[sarcasm].


Why is your question not directed AT black people? would we not be the best source of the information you're looking for?

btw, I know this thread is bullshit but I'm just humouring you.

kevin says relax (daddy warbuxx), Friday, 9 September 2005 17:34 (nineteen years ago)

why dont you ask your buddies in the SS, captain "nazi" kirk??

petesmith (plsmith), Friday, 9 September 2005 17:35 (nineteen years ago)

actually, i know some people who believe the lead poster's sentiments to the letter

okok, Friday, 9 September 2005 17:35 (nineteen years ago)

People can joke this away but it doesnt make it untrue.

I'm black, I grew up among many black people, and I'm the only one I know who listened to "white" music and was often ridiculed for it(but in a cheeky way, nothing hostile).

Lovelace (Lovelace), Friday, 9 September 2005 17:37 (nineteen years ago)

Dom, you are fucking killing me today.

nickalicious (nickalicious), Friday, 9 September 2005 17:38 (nineteen years ago)

why should black people HAVE to listen to non black music? what is this rule that says they have to do this? is there not enough variety in black music already?

this notion that all white people are just SO eclectic and love ALL black music is bollocks anyway.

okok, Friday, 9 September 2005 17:40 (nineteen years ago)

This thread is going to be a long one.

polyphonic (polyphonic), Friday, 9 September 2005 17:40 (nineteen years ago)

People can joke this away but it doesnt make it untrue.

they're only joking because this thread has been done a million times.

jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 9 September 2005 17:40 (nineteen years ago)

And with much more incoherent and hilarious thread names.

n/a (Nick A.), Friday, 9 September 2005 17:42 (nineteen years ago)

Why don't white people like music other than black music? I mean, this is a group effort, people. We've all got to help carry the load. You white people can't afford to be lazy and complacent and sit around dancing to Lil Jon without giving a little something back. Black people are like 12% of the country, and we're expected to do totally disproportionate amounts of the music-making, point-scoring, and sassy wise-cracking. I think it's time white people took personal responsibility for making their own communities strong and self-sufficient.

Umm but umm seriously Lovelace I don't think you're right about that at all -- my experience has always been that black people like plenty of white artists. Some form of stereotyping just happens to result in this being totally underdiscussed, so that white people freak out when they learn that e.g. "omigod black people like Phil Collins??? but I thought they only liked rap and stuff."

nabisco (nabisco), Friday, 9 September 2005 17:43 (nineteen years ago)

this is mostly true though. i've lived in mostly black areas before, and can say from personal experience among friends, kids at school and friends parents or whatever else... the sentiment is not 100% true in all cases, but it is in a lot/maybe-most cases.

i am uncomfortable with the idea that this is not up for levelheaded discussion. though i think the answer seems somewhat obvious... and given that people seem to think the original poster was trolling, i guess i'll withhold til people start talking.

also, don't know whether (if he was trolling) it's not unreasonable to forget/take for granted how many black people might actually read ilm.

i'm not racist in the slightest, so if anybody does respond, please forgo kneejerks.

firstworldman (firstworldman), Friday, 9 September 2005 17:43 (nineteen years ago)

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disco violence (disco violence), Friday, 9 September 2005 17:44 (nineteen years ago)

"I'm black, I grew up among many black people, and I'm the only one I know who listened to "white" music and was often ridiculed for it(but in a cheeky way, nothing hostile)."

yeah and you think white people listening to hip hop in the 80s/early 90s didnt get ridiculed for it either? for 'trying to be black' etc etc?

okok, Friday, 9 September 2005 17:44 (nineteen years ago)

"i'm not racist in the slightest"

thats what everyone says.

okok, Friday, 9 September 2005 17:45 (nineteen years ago)

PEOPLE GET RIDICULED

Huk-L (Huk-L), Friday, 9 September 2005 17:45 (nineteen years ago)

xpost

okok:
who cares if that's what every/anyone says? i'm secure in that statement. i am as likely to unfortunately stereotype some people in mostly threatening instances where, i'm, say, 'round crenshaw at 3:30 in the morning on foot... but come on... if it wasn't one thing i was afraid of, i'd probably find monsters to be afraid of in the white suburbs, or a psycho (you know, because there's no black serial killers {really, there's not, is there?]).

firstworldman (firstworldman), Friday, 9 September 2005 17:49 (nineteen years ago)

haha, I bet "captain kirk" ventures to go where "no man has gone before" (ie where 15% of ilm threads ever have gone before)

nickalicious (nickalicious), Friday, 9 September 2005 17:51 (nineteen years ago)

i was just being facetious firstworld. but everyone says that, and often people say that as a disclaimer, and then they say something racist. well in my experience. like 'im not a racist, BUT....... why do all indians own newsagents? why do all black people do this? why do all chinese people do this?' etc etc etc

okoko, Friday, 9 September 2005 17:52 (nineteen years ago)

I'd be very much up for levelheaded discussion of this if (a) there was any evidence that it was particularly true, and (b) if there seemed to be any mystery whatsoever about why it'd be the case. My experience remains that various black people like various sorts of things. And yeah, black people probably listen to black-made music at a higher proportion than white people, but the reasons for this seem as obvious as, say, southerners listning to southern bands more than people from Maine do.

nabisco (nabisco), Friday, 9 September 2005 17:52 (nineteen years ago)

(Reason #1 = yr parents records, and reason #2 = church.)

nabisco (nabisco), Friday, 9 September 2005 17:53 (nineteen years ago)

I'm not racist or anything, but what's up with everybody in Maine listening to Loverboy all the time? Cause when I lived there when I was a kid it was like wall-to-wall "Working For The Weekend".

Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Friday, 9 September 2005 17:54 (nineteen years ago)

and also, ALL BLACK PEOPLE LOVE BOZ SCAGGS!

petesmith (plsmith), Friday, 9 September 2005 17:54 (nineteen years ago)

some form of stereotyping just happens to result in this being totally underdiscussed, so that white people freak out when they learn that e.g. "omigod black people like Phil Collins???

Fuck, I'm surprised that anyone likes Phil Collins!

Ian Riese-Moraine: Let this bastard out, and you'll get whiplash! (Eastern Mantr, Friday, 9 September 2005 17:55 (nineteen years ago)

The elephant on the thread: Why does black people never want to rock?

jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 9 September 2005 17:55 (nineteen years ago)

this one time, nabisco tried to sell me some boz scaggs, and i was all "unhh - just give me the lil jon, and let me leave..."

petesmith (plsmith), Friday, 9 September 2005 17:55 (nineteen years ago)

"the reasons for this seem as obvious as, say, southerners listning to southern bands more than people from Maine do."

is it that simple? i dont think this is about geography. its not like the black community in london listens to say, (a british genre like) grime over hip hop and dancehall. if that was the case it would be selling a lot more!

okok, Friday, 9 September 2005 17:56 (nineteen years ago)

(xxp) Which I drag out not to be all "haha" but because there's some very good responses on that thread (incl. from Nabisco).

jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 9 September 2005 17:56 (nineteen years ago)

i find it quite sad that black people only like to listen to black music and not other genres. it seems quite limited. small minded, even.

captainkirk, Friday, 9 September 2005 18:00 (nineteen years ago)

Um, okok? It's an analogy. Geography is not the sole difference between Maine and Alabama.

nabisco (nabisco), Friday, 9 September 2005 18:01 (nineteen years ago)

It's going to be impossible to have an actual discussion on this thread, though, what with race-baiting trolling running through the whole thing (and what with the inevitable part where everyone drops the actual topic and just starts going on about who is and isn't racist / racially condescending, as always happens).

nabisco (nabisco), Friday, 9 September 2005 18:03 (nineteen years ago)

but yeah, i think there is an easy explanation for this (ok, okok, we'll call it a possibly isolated hypothetical) phenomena. black culture, specifically the popular variant, has been tarnished so thoroughly and effectively that it is so easy to make a synthetic mock up of something 'real' (in whatever incarnation that realness manifests itself, because it crops up in slightly different guises across the (seemingly narrowing) pandemographic spectrum.) that is easy to hybridize with an existing cultural trope, so that it can be packaged and sold as something new. thus, the need for originality or variance is replaced in part by novelty (50 got shot, pharrell's weird and kinda indie, missy's fat but it's ok, em is white [musta been hard in detroit {see 8 mile}], andre dresses funny, kanye is conflictedm, et al)... and i should admit that at this point, i do feel bad in regarding this stuff this in some way, and would like somebody to point out what's wrong with it... i like rap music, a lot. and maybe that's part of the problem. is the real problem that white people co-opt black culture so fast that they've given up hope/slowed down at producing anything truly new? i sure as hell don't watch moesha, because even though i could probably in some stupid awful sitcom way could relate to the skeleton or the framework of the show (nb, never seen it), i simply don't find it easy to watch an all black sitcom... there's the canon: jeffersons, sanford and son, and the new classics: chapelle show, in living color (not sitcoms, worth noting)... when i was only in to hip hop as a kid, and wore cross colors, and imitated every single hip hop trend (i even had a red green and yellow malcom x hat when i was 11), i liked martin. now i can't watch it. people dig fresh prince because it's like, "damn, that's funny, because that would never happen." at least that's what i believe it is on some level. fuck... i'm rambling... the cough syrup is kicking in.. sorry about all this, i'm pretty ill. illin.

firstworldman (firstworldman), Friday, 9 September 2005 18:06 (nineteen years ago)

you need to watch martin

tremendoid (tremendoid), Friday, 9 September 2005 18:10 (nineteen years ago)

sitcoms with all white people arent very realistic, either!

what is REAL black culture? would would black culture look like/sound like/etc without the tarnish, firstworld?

petesmith (plsmith), Friday, 9 September 2005 18:10 (nineteen years ago)

wow that makes no sense... be back in a little while to clarify.

firstworldman (firstworldman), Friday, 9 September 2005 18:10 (nineteen years ago)

that was in re: to my post, btw

firstworldman (firstworldman), Friday, 9 September 2005 18:10 (nineteen years ago)

You're scaring me, firstworldman. I'm just gonna ignore that post, except that say that Moesha was alright.

Here's the thing. Really seriously. When people say stuff like in this thread title it's basically just a vicious circle of assumptions -- black people "only" listen to e.g. hip-hop if your idea of "authentic blackness" involves traits like listening to hip-hop. Weird black evangelicals who listen to cheesy white-Christian music don't count because they're "exceptions" to this stupid concept of "actual-blackness," and black kids who like indie don't count for the same reason, and 10-year-old middle-class black girls who really like Hillary Duff don't count for the same reason, and so you whittle down to your already-existing idea of what the core of blackness is, and then you look at it like an idiot and say "Hey, how come black people all conform to the exact stereotypes I use to decide what black people are like?"

nabisco (nabisco), Friday, 9 September 2005 18:11 (nineteen years ago)

White people drive this this, but black people drive like this.

polyphonic (polyphonic), Friday, 9 September 2005 18:15 (nineteen years ago)

yeah youre scaring me too firstworld, not least of all cos your name is FIRSTWORLD. i also dont know what path youre digressing on any more either

okok, Friday, 9 September 2005 18:15 (nineteen years ago)

People are people
so why should it be
you and I can't like Yes
and Young Jeezy?

David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 9 September 2005 18:16 (nineteen years ago)

is the real problem that white people co-opt black culture so fast that they've given up hope/slowed down at producing anything truly new?

White people pushing derivativeness on the blacks again! Just like crack in the ghettos!

Confounded (Confounded), Friday, 9 September 2005 18:17 (nineteen years ago)

why isn't the fresh prince "real"!? i mean i know that it's not real, but isn't it at least "real"?

fresh prince -- "real".
lil jon -- real.
t.i. -- rilly real.
missy -- real
david banner -- Real.
mike jones -- “real”
eminem -- real
2pac -- 4real
biggie -- "Real."

get it?

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Friday, 9 September 2005 18:18 (nineteen years ago)

Nabisco so OTM.

Jordan (Jordan), Friday, 9 September 2005 18:20 (nineteen years ago)

the real elephant is the notion of the supposed eclecticism and openness(beyond motown and certain other shared, mostly bygone black cultural detritus) of the vast hordes of white people(in the U.S., at least). Even if you bring white youth and hip-hop into the discussion, you'll find plenty of whites who listen strictly to "urban music" once they've gotten into it. It's all good to get at these issues but let's get the trolling bullshit question good and deconstructed(which nabisco has done admirably) before we start the heavy lifting.

tremendoid (tremendoid), Friday, 9 September 2005 18:22 (nineteen years ago)

well, theres more white people in the western world than any other so its natural there will be more white people into other 'non white' musics (interestingly, or perhaps not, i hardly ever see non white people at rock gigs, yet i always see a mix of some sort at other concerts)

okok, Friday, 9 September 2005 18:23 (nineteen years ago)

what i like most about people like captain kirk is that they think they just KNOW all black people inside and out. its this weird national geographic observatory type of thinking about ethnic groups, that they think they can just cast these sweeping judgements at en entire people, like they know them inside and out. i find it really arrogant.

okko, Friday, 9 September 2005 18:32 (nineteen years ago)


KILL WHITEIE!

1337 dood3z (1337 dood3z), Friday, 9 September 2005 19:46 (nineteen years ago)

i find it quite sad that black people only like to listen to black music and not other genres. it seems quite limited. small minded, even.

i love that "black music" is a "genre"

renegade bus (Jody Beth Rosen), Friday, 9 September 2005 19:53 (nineteen years ago)

It's more likely that he meant that black music is "genres" (blues, soul, jazz, hip-hop, etc.), which is just as wrong.

polyphonic (polyphonic), Friday, 9 September 2005 20:18 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.hearsay-online.com/photos/artists/JohnMayer/johnmayer2.jpg

Whiney G. Weingarten (whineyg), Friday, 9 September 2005 20:19 (nineteen years ago)

look, there is no answer to this thread simply because creating categorical deinitions of the terms "black people" and "black music" is not only pointless and unhelpful, its also pretty much impossible.

and yes, there are tons of other threads about this very subject, some of which are alternately funnier and more offensive (like the "why does black people never want to rock" thread linked earlier).

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 9 September 2005 20:27 (nineteen years ago)

why dont black metal people really like any music other than black metal music?

Austin Still (Austin, Still), Friday, 9 September 2005 20:28 (nineteen years ago)

http://media.zzounds.com/media/brand,zzounds/p1760b-302efe478ab7fdcc90421a03689d5b96.jpg

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Friday, 9 September 2005 20:31 (nineteen years ago)

xpost

That's one of the funny fuzzy things in this conversation (which I suppose is to be expected, given that it was started by a troll): what does "black music" mean? Genres enjoyed/sustained by black listeners? (Which would make the question kind of tautological, right?) Or music made by black people? The question pretends that they're the same thing for artists as well as listeners, and they're not.

I'm still confused by okok's rock shows without non-white people, though. I don't think I've even been to super-indie shows that didn't at least have a bunch of east Asians there, if not south Asians, black hipsters, etc. And if you talk about mainstream popular-culture "rock" music, there are still reasonable amounts of diversity, whether it's Latinos at a nu-metal show or the near-proportional smattering of all races for Maroon 5 or something.

The main thing that scares me, though, is the weird invisibility of black people who don't fit the standard underclass model. Americans of all races are obsessed with that black-underclass model, but when black people aren't in it -- which is supposedly what we all officially want to happen -- they become invisible, un-"real", absent from the way people think about race. Which is bizarre, since these are exactly the people who come in closest contact with middle-class white people -- they're the regular-old black people working in your office and maybe listening to some Toni Braxton during the commute home, the people you presumably get along with less as "black people" and more as just some folks you know from wherever it is you know them -- and they're cut out of the discourse! Because we continually cut away "real" blackness to mean "the Other" blackness.

nabisco (nabisco), Friday, 9 September 2005 20:43 (nineteen years ago)

The Washington Post assumed the role of labeling what is 'white' music and what is 'black' music

kingfish superman ice cream (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 9 September 2005 20:48 (nineteen years ago)

This thread was funnier when the title had broken English.

pappawheelie II, Friday, 9 September 2005 20:55 (nineteen years ago)

"and they're cut out of the discourse! Because we continually cut away "real" blackness to mean "the Other" blackness"

this is interesting... ie, "you're only REALLY black if I'm scared and/or confused by you" is the subtext.

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 9 September 2005 20:58 (nineteen years ago)

Nabisco = the Jerry Rice of OTM

rogermexico (rogermexico), Friday, 9 September 2005 22:11 (nineteen years ago)

Nabisco = the Jerry Rice of OTM

I'm surprised we still bother to mention when nabisco's otm.

deej.., Friday, 9 September 2005 22:29 (nineteen years ago)

but there's still this issue of 'black people not liking non black music' to contend with. i dont really have a problem with it, personally, as lots of ethnic groups dont really venture out of their musical comfort zone that much so black people arent that different. on the other hand, people dont like saying that cos its seen as a connotation of being small minded or whatever.

or have we dealt with this already by saying that of course black people venture out of 'black music' (as if this is some grand gesture to be applauded), its often just not seen as being 'real' black people (whatever that means) - i suppose in this thread were saying 'white people' as = white masses and 'black people' as black masses. im still not totally into having to justify that yes, black people do listen to non black music though, does it really matter if they dont? its not as if all white people like all black music is it? anyway, i know plenty of black people who like various types of music.

oh this thread is pissing me off.

confuzzled, Friday, 9 September 2005 23:05 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.mix2inside.com/loghi/writeBlack%20masses.jpg

rogermexico (rogermexico), Friday, 9 September 2005 23:47 (nineteen years ago)

Another way of approaching this issue would be to ask: Why is such a disproportionate amount of American popular music produced by African Americans? I don't think its that black people are especially provincial in their musical tastes so much as the fact that the most popular music being produced by America comes from their own community.
It would be interesting to discuss why Af-American music has such a great influence (which it has for, as far as I know, almost all of Americas history) but I fear the topic might cause a terminal race panic meltdown.

Horace Wallpull, Saturday, 10 September 2005 00:14 (nineteen years ago)

almost all of Americas history

http://www.lindamcalistertalent.com/gallery/061404-gilliam4.jpg

rogermexico (rogermexico), Saturday, 10 September 2005 00:51 (nineteen years ago)

I know black Killling Joke fans. I know black metalheads. I know black Firewater fans.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 10 September 2005 01:14 (nineteen years ago)

Hell, we all do! But still, you keep 'em away from your sister.

Austin Still (Austin, Still), Saturday, 10 September 2005 01:59 (nineteen years ago)

Zing!

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 10 September 2005 02:00 (nineteen years ago)


find it quite sad that black people only like to listen to black music and not other genres. it seems quite limited. small minded, even.

the majority of the music i listen to is "black" these days. of course i'm counting anything with a groove so...regardless, i'm not hurting for variety.

simian (dymaxia), Saturday, 10 September 2005 22:31 (nineteen years ago)

The biggest Journey fan I ever met was Haitian.

quality does not equal quality (wetmink), Sunday, 11 September 2005 01:00 (nineteen years ago)

I've met lots of (non-Latino) black salseros.

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Sunday, 11 September 2005 01:02 (nineteen years ago)

(Of course, there is more than one sense in which salsa is black music.)

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Sunday, 11 September 2005 01:02 (nineteen years ago)

"we are the only band making authentic black negro music in the world" - brian jones

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Sunday, 11 September 2005 01:33 (nineteen years ago)

i know lotsa black folk who like coldplay. one morning when i was on the subway going to work, there was this black lady on the train who was blasting "clocks" on her i-pod! (true story!!)

Eisbär (llamasfur), Sunday, 11 September 2005 18:03 (nineteen years ago)

two other (VERY) white groups that lotsa black people (used to) like:

http://www.ufm.uaem.mx/especiales04/img_2001/2001/kraftwerk/02.jpg

http://park1.wakwak.com/~record/image250.jpg

Eisbär (llamasfur), Sunday, 11 September 2005 18:09 (nineteen years ago)

Hmm, it's strange that this topic hasn't been approached through the minority culture angle. I think you'll find everywhere a pattern of the majority co-opting the culture of minorities, who themselves try to assert/maintain their cultural specificity. That's what's happening with the muslim community in continental Europe and I have a feeling it is also a factor in the US.

Baaderonixx and the choco-pop babies (baaderonixx), Monday, 12 September 2005 07:09 (nineteen years ago)

i just scrolled down this thread pretty quick with my mouse wheel, and it was a bunch of jumbled stuff like ppl were posting really fast, a lot of pictures, one of larry bird i think, another one of john mayer, and then some dark spaces where someone really wrote a lot, with 'nabisco' under them

geoff (gcannon), Monday, 12 September 2005 07:36 (nineteen years ago)

That could be any thread.

mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 12 September 2005 07:43 (nineteen years ago)

yeah, the 'minority' rule is partly correct, but its still redundant to say that black people dont like this, black people dont like that, when black people are not a monolith, nor are any other minority.

okok, Monday, 12 September 2005 08:57 (nineteen years ago)

three years pass...

Great thread

Carrie Bradshaw Layfield (The stickman from the hilarious 'xkcd' comics), Saturday, 18 October 2008 21:11 (sixteen years ago)

good god, i missed this thread at the time.

Pfunkboy Formerly Known As... (Herman G. Neuname), Saturday, 18 October 2008 21:14 (sixteen years ago)

Me too. The original poster's most important question still unanswered though: why the hell do black people love Jim Reeves at the expense of all other white artists? "O_o"

anatol_merklich, Saturday, 18 October 2008 21:20 (sixteen years ago)

Who doesn't like Jim Reeves?

Pfunkboy Formerly Known As... (Herman G. Neuname), Saturday, 18 October 2008 21:26 (sixteen years ago)

Hasn't Jim Reeves always had a huge following in South Africa?

If Timi Yuro would be still alive, most other singers could shut up, Saturday, 18 October 2008 22:29 (sixteen years ago)

And Herman OTM -- Reeves is smooth.

If Timi Yuro would be still alive, most other singers could shut up, Saturday, 18 October 2008 22:30 (sixteen years ago)

Pfunkboy Formerly Known As... (Herman G. Neuname), Saturday, 18 October 2008 22:32 (sixteen years ago)

The original poster's most important question still unanswered though: why the hell do black people love Jim Reeves at the expense of all other white artists? "O_o"

― anatol_merklich, Saturday, October 18, 2008 9:20 PM (

My google search shows-

NPR weekend edition story: April 7, 2007 - American-style country music might not seem like just the thing to catch on in Africa. But listeners in Nairobi, Kenya, are crazy about it. They're particularly fond of Kenny Rogers and Dolly Parton.

wikapaedia-In the early 1960s, Reeves was more popular than Elvis Presley in South Africa. During this period, he recorded several albums in Afrikaans. In 1963 he starred in a South African film, Kimberley Jim, which was the biggest South African production up to that date.

curmudgeon, Saturday, 18 October 2008 22:50 (sixteen years ago)

Very interesting curmudgeon I had no idea abt Reeves' popularity many places!

American-style country music might not seem like just the thing to catch on in Africa.

Um why not really? (I realize this is your google search, not your words.) Why should songs of personal joy, grief and whatever not touch people who hear it, even if they live on another continent? Is this a case of USers being apologetic abt country music, as if it were some plague they've let loose on the world (aided by the Germans or something)?

anatol_merklich, Saturday, 18 October 2008 23:11 (sixteen years ago)

Sales statistics show that Africans are way more likely to get into "white" European/American music than African Americans.
And judging from what kind of music is popular there, the Japanese probably have the "whitest" musical taste in the world. They never get enough of McCartney-esque melodic pop.

Geir Hongro, Sunday, 19 October 2008 19:09 (sixteen years ago)

hmmmph

Pillbox, Sunday, 19 October 2008 19:10 (sixteen years ago)

http://i35.tinypic.com/o7ooj9.gif

Carrie Bradshaw Layfield (The stickman from the hilarious 'xkcd' comics), Sunday, 19 October 2008 19:14 (sixteen years ago)

wikapaedia-In the early 1960s, Reeves was more popular than Elvis Presley in South Africa. During this period, he recorded several albums in Afrikaans. In 1963 he starred in a South African film, Kimberley Jim, which was the biggest South African production up to that date.

You are aware that there is a huge white population in South Africa, and that in the 60s they had most of the money, which enabled them to buy most of the music?

Still, even recently, there have been examples of typical "white" music doing well in South Africa. And one would now expect the black part of the population to participate in the buying too.

Geir Hongro, Monday, 20 October 2008 10:52 (sixteen years ago)

I'd like to see Geir's sales statistics.

Sick Mouthy (Scik Mouthy), Monday, 20 October 2008 11:16 (sixteen years ago)

Actually, in the case of Africa, I don't think that sales would tell much about the taste of the people anyway. In poor countries, most people cannot afford to buy records. But they still like music.

Geir Hongro, Monday, 20 October 2008 12:52 (sixteen years ago)

You'll find (generally speaking), they tend to buy records more. And play them more often.

Mark G, Monday, 20 October 2008 13:08 (sixteen years ago)

But they still like music.

Wow. I did not know that.

QuantumNoise, Monday, 20 October 2008 13:23 (sixteen years ago)

Surely the tastes of Africans and African Americans don't count anyway because they don't like melodic synth prog enough?

Sick Mouthy (Scik Mouthy), Monday, 20 October 2008 13:25 (sixteen years ago)

what about afrikaans?

Pfunkboy Formerly Known As... (Herman G. Neuname), Monday, 20 October 2008 13:36 (sixteen years ago)

Surely the tastes of Africans and African Americans don't count anyway because they don't like melodic synth prog enough?

There are those of them that do, and there are others that sadly don't.

Geir Hongro, Monday, 20 October 2008 13:37 (sixteen years ago)

I mean, I am not so interested in putting "race" on music. Generally the world would have been a better place musically if all races and all Nationalities considered melody and harmony the two most important elements in all music.

Geir Hongro, Monday, 20 October 2008 13:38 (sixteen years ago)

suggest ban

Joe the C.R.E.E.P. Operative (Rock Hardy), Monday, 20 October 2008 13:42 (sixteen years ago)

whatev. the black dudes in my neighborhood are rocking Yessongs like nonstop.

flyover statesman (will), Monday, 20 October 2008 13:54 (sixteen years ago)

the thread that keeps on giving

baaderonixx, Monday, 20 October 2008 14:14 (sixteen years ago)

Westlife are very popular in East Africa, as I know from experience.

chap, Monday, 20 October 2008 15:16 (sixteen years ago)

Westlife are very popular everywhere.

Geir Hongro, Monday, 20 October 2008 15:39 (sixteen years ago)

yeah...

Mark G, Monday, 20 October 2008 15:40 (sixteen years ago)

13 number one hit singles, at present.

The beatles had 17.

It's just a matter of time...

Mark G, Monday, 20 October 2008 15:42 (sixteen years ago)

wow...weird..my best friend from HS roomed with a guy from nigeria in college and we hung out a lot...anyway he LOVED jim reeves (his dad was a big fan)..kinda surprised me, wrote it off to a personal/family quirky taste thing, am surprised to hear that reeves is just big in africa in general! that's super awesome and cool.

M@tt He1ges0n, Monday, 20 October 2008 15:44 (sixteen years ago)

XP. The moment The Beatles are beaten by Westlife in the case of #1 singles is when people will definitely stop using chart positions to back why The Beatles are great.

Geir Hongro, Monday, 20 October 2008 15:48 (sixteen years ago)

Jim Reeves C/D?

Pfunkboy Formerly Known As... (Herman G. Neuname), Monday, 20 October 2008 15:50 (sixteen years ago)

why should black people HAVE to listen to non black music? what is this rule that says they have to do this? is there not enough variety in black music already?

Well, given the treatment of Geir on these boards, people clearly have a problem with people who in the main listen to white music.

but there's still this issue of 'black people not liking non black music' to contend with. i dont really have a problem with it, personally, as lots of ethnic groups dont really venture out of their musical comfort zone that much so black people arent that different.

And yet, Geir gets called a racist.

Freedom, Monday, 20 October 2008 21:13 (sixteen years ago)

what does a guy saying dumb shit three years ago have to do with geir being a racist

goole, Monday, 20 October 2008 21:19 (sixteen years ago)

Why are black people always listening to stuff like Talulah Gosh and Henry's Dress? Are the Pastels too "cracker" for their taste?

fremme (unregistered), Monday, 20 October 2008 21:27 (sixteen years ago)

knew a guy from grenada at uni who said that incubus and linkin park were pretty big back home.

stone cold all time hall of fame classics (internet person), Monday, 20 October 2008 21:29 (sixteen years ago)

Surely the tastes of Africans and African Americans don't count anyway because they don't like melodic synth prog enough?
There are those of them that do, and there are others that sadly don't

I love this.

Ismael Klata, Monday, 20 October 2008 21:49 (sixteen years ago)

There are tons of people here who "in the main listen to white music" and don't catch shit for it because they're not absurd and obnoxious about it

The Slash My Father Wrote (DJ Mencap), Monday, 20 October 2008 21:54 (sixteen years ago)

The entire ILM was started as a "LOL, people who listen to white music are stupid and they should listen to black music (and manufactured white kidpop) instead".

Geir Hongro, Monday, 20 October 2008 23:10 (sixteen years ago)

good thing you showed up to set it all straight then

goole, Monday, 20 October 2008 23:12 (sixteen years ago)

Dad's drunk!

xpost

If Timi Yuro would be still alive, most other singers could shut up, Monday, 20 October 2008 23:12 (sixteen years ago)

The ILM

Jordan, Monday, 20 October 2008 23:13 (sixteen years ago)

OMG, Geir found something new to be wrong about!

nabisco, Monday, 20 October 2008 23:22 (sixteen years ago)

Geir is Burzum you guys

Woman Who Force Madonna At House Party To Make Bold Statement (Mackro Mackro), Monday, 20 October 2008 23:35 (sixteen years ago)

I hear there's rumours on the ILMs

allez, allons-y, on y va (ledge), Monday, 20 October 2008 23:36 (sixteen years ago)

Geir with an heroically blatant attempt to get a post made into the ILM board description there

The Slash My Father Wrote (DJ Mencap), Monday, 20 October 2008 23:45 (sixteen years ago)

I like the "really" in the thread title.

Eyeball Kicks, Tuesday, 21 October 2008 00:23 (sixteen years ago)

Sounds like they're not putting in enough effort.

Eyeball Kicks, Tuesday, 21 October 2008 00:23 (sixteen years ago)

Sounds like they're kidding us on.

Eyeball Kicks, Tuesday, 21 October 2008 00:23 (sixteen years ago)

Sounds like they're faking it.

Eyeball Kicks, Tuesday, 21 October 2008 00:24 (sixteen years ago)

Well, look at things a bit closer then.

The original ILM was definitely about defending the good old pop single, as opposed to the more "rockist" notion of the album "canon". ILM back then was also very into what was the current chartpop of 2001, i.e. hip-hop, hip-hop influenced R&B and manufactured kidpop (boy/girl bands).

Upon these premises, one would expect ILM to back everything that the kids are into, particularly if the traditional "rockist" will write it off. But then, what happens? In 2002-03, along comes a new generation of manufactured punkpoppers. Obviously, the "rockists" hate them as everything about them is just as manufactured as everything about boy/girl bands used to be. But is it backed by ILM? No. Why? Because they are rooted in AOR, new wave and powerpop rather than in disco, funk or hip-hop. And, of course, ILM feels the need to write off anything that isn't rooted in so-called "black" music. So, as opposed to everything else the kids are into and the critics hate, ILM choose to part with the critics in their hatred of Pink, Avril Lavigne and the likes.

Geir Hongro, Tuesday, 21 October 2008 00:43 (sixteen years ago)

why the fuck do you post here then?

and what, Tuesday, 21 October 2008 00:44 (sixteen years ago)

i think it is you who should look at thinks a bit closer my friend!!

goole, Tuesday, 21 October 2008 00:44 (sixteen years ago)

http://img2.timeinc.net/ew/dynamic/imgs/070503/scifigallery/quantumleap_l.jpg

Carrie Bradshaw Layfield (The stickman from the hilarious 'xkcd' comics), Tuesday, 21 October 2008 00:45 (sixteen years ago)

do you write letters to the source complaining that they put rappers on the cover and don't follow the new generation of punkpoppers "because they are rooted in AOR, new wave and powerpop rather than in disco, funk or hip-hop."

and what, Tuesday, 21 October 2008 00:45 (sixteen years ago)

The Source is a hip-hop mag, and one would expect them to back hip-hop
ILM is a pop site, and one would expect ILM to back pop. Punkpop is pop.

Geir Hongro, Tuesday, 21 October 2008 00:47 (sixteen years ago)

pink, avril lavigne, my chemical romance, linkin park, and pop punk in general have a lot of vocal defenders on ilm.

goole, Tuesday, 21 October 2008 00:48 (sixteen years ago)

So does indie and the "canon" too. But how many of them are among those who lament current ILM and long back the the original ILM where everyone agreed that R&B, funk and hip-hop is better than anything else?

Geir Hongro, Tuesday, 21 October 2008 00:51 (sixteen years ago)

why do you give a shit?

and what, Tuesday, 21 October 2008 00:52 (sixteen years ago)

do you have some names for the characters you're bringin up here? who are you talking about "lamenting"?

you seem really pent up with anxiety about this and caught up in a huge conflict that nobody else is in. the "originial ILM mission" (if there was such a thing) was to forget all about a "which is better" approach to genres and having everyone talk about everything on an equal basis. most of the ilm old guard grew up on indie and still loved it dearly, i have no idea what you're so pissed off about.

goole, Tuesday, 21 October 2008 00:55 (sixteen years ago)

nobody is preventing you from listening to all the music you love. it's all still there. if other people like stuff you think it awful, why should you give a shit? why do you want to stop them?

goole, Tuesday, 21 October 2008 00:56 (sixteen years ago)

nobody is preventing you from listening to all the music you love. it's all still there.

Actually, around 1990, it wasn't. There was hardly any new music being released within my favourite genres at all. At least Britpop made things better.

Geir Hongro, Tuesday, 21 October 2008 01:06 (sixteen years ago)

I'm feeling a 6 to 18 month jazz revival coming on. I should take the time and fill in some of the gaps.

nicky lo-fi, Tuesday, 21 October 2008 05:30 (sixteen years ago)

hahahahahahahahah omg this thread is hysterical

SANJAY BLOGDAI SANJAY (John Justen), Tuesday, 21 October 2008 05:37 (sixteen years ago)

How close is Geir to 50?

Teddy Riley (The Reverend), Tuesday, 21 October 2008 05:41 (sixteen years ago)

The moment The Beatles are beaten by Westlife in the case of #1 singles is when people will definitely stop using chart positions to back why The Beatles are great.

― Geir Hongro, Monday, October 20, 2008 3:48 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

I think they've stopped doing that some time ago, but yes.

Mark G, Tuesday, 21 October 2008 06:55 (sixteen years ago)

The thread is full of craziness, of course. But it is quite interesting to think about ILM itself changing, as Hongro suggests. It's true I suppose that Freaky Trigger c.2000-1 was very pro-chart / pop. I wouldn't want to say this was pro-'black music'; most of the acts that were discussed were probably white. ILM somewhat followed the FT emphasis ... but actually, I remember tons of ILM threads c.2001 that weren't about chart pop at all, but about indie, postpunk and the like.

Whether the dominant ILM aesthetic has changed would be quite interesting to know or consider, except the more I think about it, the less I think there is an ILM aesthetic.

the pinefox, Tuesday, 21 October 2008 13:06 (sixteen years ago)

I think it's purely down to more people being around "now"

I say "now" but as you say, it (must have) changed from 2002 onwards...

(I joined around then, it was all The Rapture and hating Bono around then)

Mark G, Tuesday, 21 October 2008 13:08 (sixteen years ago)

ILM is a msg board which has voted 'Loveless' the greatest album of the 90s and 'Kid A' the greatest album of 2000-2004

Annoying Display Name (blueski), Tuesday, 21 October 2008 13:10 (sixteen years ago)

Years ago I briefly dated a guy from Rwanda. The first time he came over, I was unconsciously playing only black music for him. After awhile, he asked, "Do you have any Eric Clapton?"

Maria :D, Tuesday, 21 October 2008 13:11 (sixteen years ago)

http://www.firminy.fr/data/fichiers/pages/Image/Culture/concert-jazz.jpg

Maria :D, Tuesday, 21 October 2008 13:15 (sixteen years ago)

Early ILM voted Loveless the greatest record of all time.

Matt DC, Tuesday, 21 October 2008 13:20 (sixteen years ago)

ILM is not a pop site. It's a music site. It covers pretty much EVERYTHING to some extent.

Sick Mouthy (Scik Mouthy), Tuesday, 21 October 2008 13:23 (sixteen years ago)

oddly it was only recently that i realised my impressions of early ilx were totally off base, cuz i only gleaned them from the old threads i'd actively searched for and read, ie all the theoretical rockism-style ones and the specific hip-hop/r&b/pop ones. dunno when the penny dropped that for all old-ilx's talk, really everyone was a standard corny indie fuxor. disappointing.

lex pretend, Tuesday, 21 October 2008 13:24 (sixteen years ago)

Latterday ILX (ILM?) would also vote Loveless etc...

Mark G, Tuesday, 21 October 2008 13:25 (sixteen years ago)

You are aware that there is a huge white population in South Africa

You aware Geir that you talk bollocks? White population of South Africa is only 5 million odd - less than Norway!

Ich Ber ein Binliner (Tom D.), Tuesday, 21 October 2008 13:26 (sixteen years ago)

this is a great thread, with a genius title. anyone who takes it seriously obviously can't discern irony.

Kevin Keller, Tuesday, 21 October 2008 13:45 (sixteen years ago)

Lex the Elbow and Electrelane fan was also a standard corny indie fux.

Sick Mouthy (Scik Mouthy), Tuesday, 21 October 2008 13:46 (sixteen years ago)

but i ~progressed~. i evolved. it is frustrating to see people not do the same!!

lex pretend, Tuesday, 21 October 2008 13:54 (sixteen years ago)

What do you intend to evolve into next?

I still love Loveless; there is no shame in that; it is magnificent.

The odd thing about The Rapture is -- their records are really awful.

the pinefox, Tuesday, 21 October 2008 13:57 (sixteen years ago)

I'm still back on how Geir managed to read only my posts and therefore decided that ILM en masse hated Avril Legine (and really I only ever bagged on "Sk8ter Boi").

I still like Echoes a hell of a lot but I'm not super interested in the stuff afterwards.

Pipe Wrench Fight (HI DERE), Tuesday, 21 October 2008 13:59 (sixteen years ago)

I always thought ILM liked Avril Lavigne. I like one or two of her records a lot.

the pinefox, Tuesday, 21 October 2008 13:59 (sixteen years ago)

Ah, they produced a shiny pop album, with their pix all over it, and the 'mystery' was gone.

xpost the Rapture, I mean.

Mark G, Tuesday, 21 October 2008 14:00 (sixteen years ago)

I much prefer the shiny pop album by The Rapture.

Lex; "evolved" is subjective.

Sick Mouthy (Scik Mouthy), Tuesday, 21 October 2008 14:02 (sixteen years ago)

To be honest, I barely heard it.

Mark G, Tuesday, 21 October 2008 14:03 (sixteen years ago)

The last Rapture album was much better than Echoes.

Matt DC, Tuesday, 21 October 2008 14:05 (sixteen years ago)

ILM is a msg board which has voted 'Loveless' the greatest album of the 90s and 'Kid A' the greatest album of 2000-2004

Preferring "Kid A" to "OK Computer" is still very typically ILM. Not because "Kid A" is "pop" or "black", but because "Kid A" is "Something else than guitar based indie rock with traditional melodic song structures".

Geir Hongro, Tuesday, 21 October 2008 14:06 (sixteen years ago)

appreciation of avril is easier when you don't think or talk about her, she's kind of annoying if you do.

thinking about what i am now vs what i was then puts a massive grin on my face nick, i have come so far ("evolved") (like cici!!). it's amazing.

lex pretend, Tuesday, 21 October 2008 14:06 (sixteen years ago)

That and OK Computer didn't come out between 2000 and 2004...

xpost

Cool Hand Tiller (onimo), Tuesday, 21 October 2008 14:07 (sixteen years ago)

I'm still back on how Geir managed to read only my posts and therefore decided that ILM en masse hated Avril Legine (and really I only ever bagged on "Sk8ter Boi").

Now one thing is Avril Lavigne, but the hatred against Pink is very obvious. I mean, I prefer Avril Lavigne to Pink too, but both were a breath of fresh air when they appeared and washed away at least some of the R&B that completely owned the charts at the time. ILM, always being very pro-R&B, wasn't too fond of that development though.

Geir Hongro, Tuesday, 21 October 2008 14:08 (sixteen years ago)

but because "Kid A" is "Something else than guitar based indie rock with traditional melodic song structures".

Yeah. Good, isn't it, everybody?

Mark G, Tuesday, 21 October 2008 14:08 (sixteen years ago)

LOL, so you only ever read Alex in NYC's posts on Pink?

Pipe Wrench Fight (HI DERE), Tuesday, 21 October 2008 14:09 (sixteen years ago)

geir, when pink appeared she did so with an r&b album written and produced by eg shekspere, kandi burruss and babyface

lex pretend, Tuesday, 21 October 2008 14:09 (sixteen years ago)

and even though that's still her only listenable album, she has many defenders and fans on ilm! too many considering how shit she is now

lex pretend, Tuesday, 21 October 2008 14:10 (sixteen years ago)

Geir do you apply this sort of nuance-free narrative thinking to other aspects of your life as well? If so, never tell your children how their parents met.

Matt DC, Tuesday, 21 October 2008 14:10 (sixteen years ago)

I guess what really made people go against her is when she abandonded R&B, started working with ex Non Blonde Linda Perry, and released stuff like "Don't Let Me Get Me" though.

Geir Hongro, Tuesday, 21 October 2008 14:10 (sixteen years ago)

"Don't Let Me Get Me" was her first good single though. Not because it "rocked", but because it was very tuneful, with a verse and a contrasting chorus and all.

Geir Hongro, Tuesday, 21 October 2008 14:11 (sixteen years ago)

If so, never tell your children how their parents met.

"children" <------------ mind blown

Ich Ber ein Binliner (Tom D.), Tuesday, 21 October 2008 14:11 (sixteen years ago)

Children?

xpost

the pinefox, Tuesday, 21 October 2008 14:12 (sixteen years ago)

I mean, I prefer Avril Lavigne to Pink too, but both were a breath of fresh air when they appeared and washed away at least some of the R&B that completely owned the charts at the time.

Pink's first single was v rooted in contemporary R&B pop production style of the time.

ILM, always being very pro-R&B, wasn't too fond of that development though.

Talking about ILM as a single entity in this way just makes you look even more of a clueless idiot. Even more so when it doesn't demonstrate the actual truth.

Annoying Display Name (blueski), Tuesday, 21 October 2008 14:12 (sixteen years ago)

I have no idea if these children exist.

Matt DC, Tuesday, 21 October 2008 14:12 (sixteen years ago)

Lex, you have still not explained what you are planning to evolve into next. Maybe whoever it is will not like the music you like now.

the pinefox, Tuesday, 21 October 2008 14:12 (sixteen years ago)

I have a slight impression that the last Rapture LP might be better than the previous one, btw. That one was quite shocking.

the pinefox, Tuesday, 21 October 2008 14:13 (sixteen years ago)

I have no idea if these children exist.

Josef Fritzl springs irresistibly but unfortunately to mind

Ich Ber ein Binliner (Tom D.), Tuesday, 21 October 2008 14:14 (sixteen years ago)

also i don't think ilm was ever that pro-r&b. not really. it paid lip service to the big r&b singles and the "innovative" turn-of-the-century production, but there are only maybe 5 ilm posters who are actually into r&b as a genre, and lots of fairweather r&b fans have all but abandoned it now.

lex pretend, Tuesday, 21 October 2008 14:14 (sixteen years ago)

pionefox, who knows how i will evolve. i'm looking fwd to it though!

lex pretend, Tuesday, 21 October 2008 14:15 (sixteen years ago)

lex it seems as if you like fewer genres of music now than you did in the past. is there some sort of assurance you can give to your legion of fans out there that this is not the case?

Annoying Display Name (blueski), Tuesday, 21 October 2008 14:18 (sixteen years ago)

This argument is fucking stupid because if there was one defining argument to early 00s ILM (and that's very debatable) it was "it's okay to be a dilettante".

Matt DC, Tuesday, 21 October 2008 14:18 (sixteen years ago)

It's a bit like when commentators on the left and right respectively describe Gordon Brown as a free-market loon and a quasi-Soviet control freak.

Matt DC, Tuesday, 21 October 2008 14:19 (sixteen years ago)

The Rapture album that was straight-up NYC indie kid bait with no real sense of joy or ugliness to it wasn't all that great (ie the one with the pink cover); I liked it at first but got very tired of it very quickly.

This argument is fucking stupid because if there was one defining argument to early 00s ILM (and that's very debatable) it was "it's okay to be a dilettante".

OTM, lock thread.

Pipe Wrench Fight (HI DERE), Tuesday, 21 October 2008 14:19 (sixteen years ago)

also the narcissism of balancing the scales vs tipping them the other way (xposts)

Annoying Display Name (blueski), Tuesday, 21 October 2008 14:19 (sixteen years ago)

http://sidesalad.net/archives/DariusRuckerBurgerKing.jpg

Carrie Bradshaw Layfield (The stickman from the hilarious 'xkcd' comics), Tuesday, 21 October 2008 14:25 (sixteen years ago)

This argument is fucking stupid because if there was one defining argument to early 00s ILM (and that's very debatable) it was "it's okay to be a dilettante".

oh i know it's just that what most people meant by dilettante is "pay attention to all pfork-approved big indie releases, maybe notice r&b singles if they're inescapable"

lex pretend, Tuesday, 21 October 2008 14:26 (sixteen years ago)

But, then, paying attention to the big indie releases back then was mostly about being against them. Plus indie was probably less popular in the late 90s/early 00s than it has been ever before (after the term occured in the mid 80s at least) or since. So what was the point, really?

Geir Hongro, Tuesday, 21 October 2008 14:28 (sixteen years ago)

1992

Carrie Bradshaw Layfield (The stickman from the hilarious 'xkcd' comics), Tuesday, 21 October 2008 14:29 (sixteen years ago)

Why am I even bothering?

Carrie Bradshaw Layfield (The stickman from the hilarious 'xkcd' comics), Tuesday, 21 October 2008 14:29 (sixteen years ago)

http://sidesalad.net/archives/DariusRuckerBurgerKing.jpg
http://sidesalad.net/archives/DariusRuckerBurgerKing.jpg
http://sidesalad.net/archives/DariusRuckerBurgerKing.jpg

Carrie Bradshaw Layfield (The stickman from the hilarious 'xkcd' comics), Tuesday, 21 October 2008 14:29 (sixteen years ago)

So what was is the point, really?

Ich Ber ein Binliner (Tom D.), Tuesday, 21 October 2008 14:29 (sixteen years ago)

Matt DC - Geir cannot and will not comment on his personal life anymore than he can use your name.

Sick Mouthy (Scik Mouthy), Tuesday, 21 October 2008 14:30 (sixteen years ago)

or ask the opinion of someone else

or convince them that he is right

etc.

Annoying Display Name (blueski), Tuesday, 21 October 2008 14:30 (sixteen years ago)

Is it a language barrier thing? Cos English is his second language, right? Cos his English doesn't seem at all bad or poor or weak. So is it just a mental deficiency? Really pronounced autism or something? Inability to accept objects outside of clearly delineated favourite objects, and inability to address, or even seemingly understand, other people as individuals / human beings.

Sick Mouthy (Scik Mouthy), Tuesday, 21 October 2008 14:38 (sixteen years ago)

wait, who are we talking about now?

Annoying Display Name (blueski), Tuesday, 21 October 2008 14:41 (sixteen years ago)

Gordon Brown?

Ich Ber ein Binliner (Tom D.), Tuesday, 21 October 2008 14:42 (sixteen years ago)

Really pronounced autism or something?
Geez, I had never thought of that, but it makes sense. I think you may be on to something.

Jazzbo, Tuesday, 21 October 2008 14:49 (sixteen years ago)

stay classy, ilx

metametadata (n/a), Tuesday, 21 October 2008 14:52 (sixteen years ago)

You had honestly never thought of that?

Ich Ber ein Binliner (Tom D.), Tuesday, 21 October 2008 14:52 (sixteen years ago)

i have honestly never attempted to conduct a completely unfounded, uninformed medical diagnosis of someone over the internet and then post that diagnosis to a public forum, no

metametadata (n/a), Tuesday, 21 October 2008 14:53 (sixteen years ago)

unless calling someone a douche counts

metametadata (n/a), Tuesday, 21 October 2008 14:54 (sixteen years ago)

n/a has prostatitis

Carrie Bradshaw Layfield (The stickman from the hilarious 'xkcd' comics), Tuesday, 21 October 2008 14:56 (sixteen years ago)

This thread started low and is going downhill...

Mark G, Tuesday, 21 October 2008 14:58 (sixteen years ago)

The entire ILM was started as a "LOL, people who listen to white music are stupid and they should listen to black music (and manufactured white kidpop) instead".

― Geir Hongro, Monday, October 20, 2008 6:10 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark

It's true, all those alt.music.alternative posts were just cross posts from alt.music.blackpplmusic.

bnw, Tuesday, 21 October 2008 15:05 (sixteen years ago)

You're telling me that you'd never even considered Geir's deportment on here as abnormal?

Sick Mouthy (Scik Mouthy), Tuesday, 21 October 2008 15:05 (sixteen years ago)

C'mon, he's some kid of 49 who never goes anywhere, and listens to music all the time in his room. Sometimes he's not on ILM.

Mark G, Tuesday, 21 October 2008 15:07 (sixteen years ago)

probably ILM's biggest ever loony, and that's saying something

Annoying Display Name (blueski), Tuesday, 21 October 2008 15:08 (sixteen years ago)

OK, that's enough now

Ich Ber ein Binliner (Tom D.), Tuesday, 21 October 2008 15:09 (sixteen years ago)

Geir's never disrupted a funeral or tried to con the families of 9/11 survivors out of money, so he's not the "biggest" loony.

Carrie Bradshaw Layfield (The stickman from the hilarious 'xkcd' comics), Tuesday, 21 October 2008 15:11 (sixteen years ago)

dom do you think geir is more or less crazy than your average girlfriend

max, Tuesday, 21 October 2008 15:12 (sixteen years ago)

Less, obviously.

Carrie Bradshaw Layfield (The stickman from the hilarious 'xkcd' comics), Tuesday, 21 October 2008 15:12 (sixteen years ago)

Also I'm pretty sure Geir exists and his pics are real.

Poll Wall (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 21 October 2008 15:13 (sixteen years ago)

never disrupted a funeral or tried to con the families of 9/11 survivors out of mone

at least these things only happened one time, not every day for years and years

Annoying Display Name (blueski), Tuesday, 21 October 2008 15:13 (sixteen years ago)

Who disrupted a funeral / tried to con the families of 9/11 survivors out of money?

Sick Mouthy (Scik Mouthy), Tuesday, 21 October 2008 15:13 (sixteen years ago)

You're telling me that you'd never even considered Geir's deportment on here as abnormal?
Oh, absolutely. But I always attributed it to a combination of a language barrier and rabid solipsism.

Jazzbo, Tuesday, 21 October 2008 15:14 (sixteen years ago)

Who disrupted a funeral / tried to con the families of 9/11 survivors out of money?

― Sick Mouthy (Scik Mouthy), Tuesday, 21 October 2008 16:13 (45 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

Let's not.

Carrie Bradshaw Layfield (The stickman from the hilarious 'xkcd' comics), Tuesday, 21 October 2008 15:14 (sixteen years ago)

Seriously, let's not.

Carrie Bradshaw Layfield (The stickman from the hilarious 'xkcd' comics), Tuesday, 21 October 2008 15:14 (sixteen years ago)

Ah, history.... (xpost yeah, let's not)

Mark G, Tuesday, 21 October 2008 15:15 (sixteen years ago)

Who disrupted a funeral / tried to con the families of 9/11 survivors out of money?

i'm amazed these subjects weren't discussed at length at the rocktimists/lbzc summit

Annoying Display Name (blueski), Tuesday, 21 October 2008 15:15 (sixteen years ago)

Also he isn't a Bill Deedes impersonator.

Poll Wall (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 21 October 2008 15:16 (sixteen years ago)

I've never heard of those subjects before.

Sick Mouthy (Scik Mouthy), Tuesday, 21 October 2008 15:16 (sixteen years ago)

I'm all at sea

Ich Ber ein Binliner (Tom D.), Tuesday, 21 October 2008 15:17 (sixteen years ago)

i'm amazed these subjects weren't discussed at length at the rocktimists/lbzc summit

― Annoying Display Name (blueski), Tuesday, 21 October 2008 16:15 (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

We mainly talk about the 90s when we meet up, else Enrique gets a little agitated.

Carrie Bradshaw Layfield (The stickman from the hilarious 'xkcd' comics), Tuesday, 21 October 2008 15:17 (sixteen years ago)

"What's 9/11?" being his main point re; current affairs. He can remember the death of Diana, though.

Sick Mouthy (Scik Mouthy), Tuesday, 21 October 2008 15:18 (sixteen years ago)

http://www.britmovie.co.uk/actors/d/images/007a.jpg

RIP BIG FELLA

Poll Wall (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 21 October 2008 15:20 (sixteen years ago)

Are we done here?

Pipe Wrench Fight (HI DERE), Tuesday, 21 October 2008 15:22 (sixteen years ago)

Think we were done here round about post 5?

Poll Wall (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 21 October 2008 15:25 (sixteen years ago)

http://www.memorygongs.com/come_to_hongro.jpg

― Trayce, Saturday, June 2, 2007 10:34 PM (1 year ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

Trayce: That pic goes straight into my Facebook images archive. Great ;)

― Geir Hongro, Sunday, June 3, 2007 12:42 PM (1 year ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

jaymc, Tuesday, 21 October 2008 15:25 (sixteen years ago)


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