Which rappers do you think may have actually killed someone in the past?

I don't know, maybe he ALSO shot somebody for real

I'm sure Fat Joe / Joe Crack has murdered a few motherfuckers. Ditto Big Pun. Didn't Keith Murray stab somebody?

Ice Cube went to community college to study architecture.

-- hstencil (hstenc!...), September 30th, 2005.

-- Whiney G. Weingarten (cweingarte...), Today 2:48 PM. (whineyg)

Arizona State University is not community college, cmj-duder. I know you went to Brandeis or Hamilton or somewhere equally hard but lay-off the PAC10.

wouldn't you do the same?!?

Criminy! I wasn't taking a shot, i just got my facts bungled.

PS: Unlike most employed writers I know, I went to a shitty state school in Florida. Go Gators!

Baby has one too.

E. Money Bags (he was a 90s rapper from Queens and made a few records with Nas, CNN/Noreaga, Kool G. Rap) killed some dude and then got killed himself, on order of Kenneth "Supreme" Mcgriff (the Queens kingpin from the Supreme Team who 50 Cent mentioned on his old track "ghetto quaran" and then got shot for "dry snitchin'" and funded Ja Rule's label Murder Inc with his drug money).

Snoop, perhaps..? Although he got away with it.

Jay Z is rumored to have killed someone.

Fat Joe hung out with some really nasty people like Charlie Rock L.D (who ending up serving 20 years or so for murder) and Tony Montana (who's now dead) so it's a possibilty.

There's the very first NYC gangsta/thug rap group Mobstyle, who consisted of the 80s Harlem drug kinpin Azie plus Gangsta Lou, Pretty Tone Capone and Whip Wop who all were known for not fucking around.

Eric B has a very real reputation too (funding early Eric B. & Rakim records via drug money, hanging with killers like Alpo and the original 50 Cent, putting Large Professor of Main Source in hospital and running Kool G. Rap out of NYC to Arizona after Eric B's crew started killing 'G Rap's crew off).

Although, any thug credentials Eric B. has may be nullified by his mock-brawling with Stone Cold Steve Austin in 1997 when he was doing security for Mike Tyson's WWF stint.

-- Super Cub (messag...), October 1st, 2005.

attempted

tell me more

Helpful, eh?

Your father was seduced by the dark side of the Force. He ceased to be Robert Van Winkle and became Vanilla Ice. When that happened, the good man who was your father was destroyed. So what I have told you was true . . . from a certain point of view.

back in 78/79 yo dat barry b-eze andrews was tryin to take over da xtc krew from swindon with his homo organ shiznit yo and tryin to take tha hoes and bitches

so i was talkin to c-money and i was like "we gonna kill that biatch" so i fuckin shot him after he be performing "ladies luv mah weapon" and he fuckin died

so i replaced dat biatch with dave-5000 and we be usin drums and wires and gin and juice STRAIGHT OUTTA SWINDON yo

It's generally thought that Paul C's wife had him killed so she could run away with his brother. If i remember right they both disappeared.

If you do a google you can probably turn up that Paul C article where the writer talks to Superlover Cee & Casanova Rud in detail about the murder.

"Do the james" is still one of the heaviest rap records ever. The way Paul C actually managed to improve the "impeach the president" drumbreak..Damn.

the real question is which BLOGGERS...

I think Ghostface Killa owned up to a murder in an interview in The Source - but who knows, could all be street cred junk talk.

haha I'm kinda impressed that this post predates "Lazy Sunday" by a couple months!

Isn't PCP what made Houston gouge his eye out?

Must have been reading Matthew 5:29.

so apparently Tik Tokk, formerly of Christian rap group Gospel Gangstaz, was arrested for murder in 2006. now that's gotta be a hard one to explain!

"cmj duder" lol upthread - bring back gygax so whiney can bring 2010 whiney fury to bear on his response

ha

jay smooth posted here, no kidding

he posted here recently, when we were making fun of Ott in some thread

I honestly was pretty nice and friendly on this site until the whole sandwich thing

aw

haha, gygax! was such a fervent defender of the Pac10 back in the day.

sandwich thing?

SUBWAY® customers are the most savage ppl, etc.

uhhhh

really imprtnt moment in the development of nu-whiney along with drowning thrd

come on son xp

oh to read that thread for the first time

so who all is confirmed?

1. G-Dep
2. Vince Neil
3. Keith Moon
4. Burzum
5. Cool C
6. C-Murder
7. Big Lurch

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crazy_Titch

http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/433/titchgravewp4.jpg

J-Dee from Ice Cube's Lench Mob crew did time for murder (and thus did not appear on their second album)

RL Burnside used to claim he killed a dude. but, y'know, blues mythology...

RL Burnside, the blues guy?

oh, I get it: any black musician who commits murder (or any violent crime, really) is automatically elevated to gangsta rapper status, regardless of whether they ever actually rapped. I always forget that little rule. hollaz hollaz @ my Leadbelly, amirite?

noted gangsta rappers Vince Neil, Burzum, and Keith Moon

huh? Vince and Keith aren't even black. now I'm all confused.

i didnt want to start a new thread

let's recap: Whiney posted a short list of performers who have been confirmed to have killed somebody, NOT JUST RAPPERS. I suggested two additional people, one of whom I already cited on this thread before, and another who was not cited before because he was not a rapper.

oh, I get it: any black musician who commits murder (or any violent crime, really) is automatically elevated to gangsta rapper status, regardless of whether they ever actually rapped.

thought this was going to be a grime zing

equating vehicular manslaughter with actual murder is a bit much too imo

i remember some old post where ethan said kind of off-handedly that he believed biggie was a killer -- not that he killed pac but that i guess when he did dirt pre-stardom

equating vehicular manslaughter with actual murder is a bit much too imo

thread title says KILLED not murdered

what drink is that on richy rich's tombstone?

lucozade

u just jealous caek

Um, Phil Spector

J-Dee from Ice Cube's Lench Mob crew did time for murder (and thus did not appear on their second album)

Isn't J-Dee still in jail?

Anyway, if we're talking about musicians who killed someone, wasn't there some relatively well known rock drummer who killed his mother? I can't remember the name right now.

And of course there's this guy:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sid_vicious

Sid was never confirmed as having killed Nancy Spungen (died too soon to get a sentence), but I guess it seems likely he did.

Jimmy Snuka killed a bitch. And he could rap too.

Ozzy Osbourne allegedly indirectly killed a kid by writing "Suicide Solution" and causing that kid to commit suicide.

Maybe youse should do a "Death Pool" and list 15 rappers, singers, people on wikip. And the person that gets the most murderers by the end of the year, wins.

"Anyway, if we're talking about musicians who killed someone, wasn't there some relatively well known rock drummer who killed his mother? I can't remember the name right now."

The guy from Traffic?

Yeah, I think he was the one I was thinking about:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Gordon_%28musician%29

Hmm, I didn't know it, but apparently Jim Gordon was the drummer for Incredible Bongo Band, and he played drums on "Apache".

^^^^know the ledge

it seems like Gordon played on every great album of the time. Pet Sounds, The Notorious Byrd Brothers, Layla and Other Assorted Love Songs, Nilsson Schmilsson, Pretzel Logic...

Lil Boosie is suspected of up to five murders

Hammer did time as a teenager for shooting a convenience store clerk.

no way! he seems so nice

My, my, my music hits me so hard
Makes me say "Oh, my Lord"
Thank you for blessing me
With a mind to rhyme and two hype feet

It feels good, when you know you're down
A super dope homeboy from the Oak town
And I'm known as such
And this is a beat, uh, you can't touch

I tell you, homeboy

lol I love how long it took for someone to respond to that.

as far as I know I think Hammer's (aka STANLEY BURRELL lol) claim to thug life was scalping a football ticket when he was a kid

though he really shoulda been arrested for his performance at Universal back in 2009 cuz that shit was criminal

Jim Gordon wrote the "Layla" coda, which is the best part of that song, and not even the Goodfellas montage can erase from my brain what that guy did to his poor mama (with a HAMMER, no less) - I hear the "Layla" coda, and I instantly think "murder by hammer."

and pre-empting obvious "Can't Touch This" joke

updated list

1. G-Dep
2. Vince Neil
3. Keith Moon
4. Burzum
5. Cool C
6. C-Murder
7. Big Lurch
8. Grime artist Crazy Titch
9. J-Dee of the Lench Mob
10. Phil Spector
11. Zappa/Traffic drummer Jim Gordon

claudine longet

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8IOKKG_PAQ

joe meek

boosie

he allegedly put money on some dude's head, anyway

lol not ilx's some dude, afaik

I played Team Fortress 2 with a "SomeDude" last night.

oo ooo oooo gimme ur steam id's. i despise the game but log on occasionally.

gucci killed a dude iirc

kel: reverenddollars

awsum, maybe seen u doods sometime.

I've only been playing since xmas.

gucci killed a dude iirc

― fruit of the goon (k3vin k.), Saturday, January 15, 2011 7:27 PM (3 hours ago) Bookmark

yep

self-defense tho right?

yeah but still

12. Claudine Longet
13. Joe Meek
14. Gucci Mane

gonna make a dope mixtape

According to the internet, RL Burnside actually served jailtime! “I didn’t mean to kill nobody, I just meant to shoot the sonofabitch in the head. Him dying was between him and the Lord.”

so I'll count that as more confirmed than legend
15. RL Burnside

Kind of wild that all these people made awesome music.

Obviously except grime dude who i've never heard of and will assume sucks because lol grime

are you reaally trying to make an all-inclusive list with this? idgi

i'm trying to make a list

i know i've been very cryptic and shadowy about that, what with my numbered list and all

aight you're well on your way, w/ 14 ppl in the history of recorded music, gl

Thanks for helping!!!!

great thread! thanks for the laffs!

Obviously except grime dude who i've never heard of and will assume sucks because lol grime

Sing Along was alright IIRC. or you could use him slewing Dizzee as a hidden track

c-murder is serving time for murder

hence his name

its unironic

his name is c murder because he sees murder. doesn't necessarily commit murder.

if c stands for commit, you must not acquit

Phil Spector

...was already mentioned i see

did Snoop's bodyguard ever release a rap cd, cuz then ...him

Which rappers do you think will have actually killed someone within the next 2 years?

1. Whiney G. Weingarten

(assuming he raps)

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_9fNvtMyW7cE/SxPvBmaHGGI/AAAAAAAAAoQ/MxdHxZ3LmWc/s1600/Tumbleweed.jpg

damn now I kinda want to be on 77 if only so i can read that sandwich thread

Rakim killed 21 guys on "My Melody."
― Austin Still (Austin, Still), Monday, October 3, 2005 3:01 AM (5 years ago) Bookmark

Spade Cooley, Western Swing star:

In 1961, his wife Ella Mae, age 37, expressed her wish to be divorced, and a drunken Cooley responded by beating her and stomping on her body until she died. Cooley was convicted of first-degree murder by a Kern County jury, and he was sentenced to life in prison.

gucci killed a dude iirc
― fruit of the goon (k3vin k.), Saturday, January 15, 2011 7:27 PM (3 hours ago) Bookmark

yep
― J0rdan S., Saturday, January 15, 2011 11:16 PM (2 days ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

self-defense tho right?
― domo genesis p-orridge (Whiney G. Weingarten), Saturday, January 15, 2011 11:21 PM (2 days ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

yeah but still
― J0rdan S., Saturday, January 15, 2011 11:22 PM (2 days ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

love this

Wouldn't it be kind of funny if like one of the guys from De La Soul or P.M. Dawn had capped someone? It would totally be shocking.

i was talking to this dude who runs a club on the german/swiss border, who gets a lot of varied acts coming through. one time they had de la soul playing there, and he said they were total pricks. they got there, were like "where are our fucking drugs!" and proceeded to mope around in the dressing room till a suitable amount of cocaine was sourced. after the show, which was apparently all of 15 minutes long, they retired to the bar where they proceeded to be such complete assholes that one of the bartenders was finally like "yeah, i'll get you your drink if you'll start acting like a decent human being" or something, whereupon one de la dude jumped over the bar, grabbed a bottle, smashed it and started attacking the staff with it. clubowner dude jumps in and gets a scar across his face for the trouble. i saw it (it's what what prompted the discussion) and it was a big ass scary fuckin scar, right across dudes face, just barely missing the eyeball.

i can't really 100% confirm the story, but i hung with this dude for several days and he seemed like a believable guy. and it *was* first hand, not "this happened to my bro's best friend" or whatever.

flip side, de la played my college back in 88 and showed up at my friends house party afterwards, and apparently they were all totally nice guys. i guess 10-15 years of snorting drugs while everyone kisses your ass no matter what you do can change ya.

i was talking to this dude who runs a club on the german/swiss border, who gets a lot of varied acts coming through. one time they had de la soul playing there, and he said they were total pricks. they got there, were like "where are our fucking drugs!" and proceeded to mope around in the dressing room till a suitable amount of cocaine was sourced. after the show, which was apparently all of 15 minutes long, they retired to the bar where they proceeded to be such complete assholes that one of the bartenders was finally like "yeah, i'll get you your drink if you'll start acting like a decent human being" or something, whereupon one de la dude jumped over the bar, grabbed a bottle, smashed it and started attacking the staff with it. clubowner dude jumps in and gets a scar across his face for the trouble. i saw it (it's what what prompted the discussion) and it was a big ass scary fuckin scar, right across dudes face, just barely missing the eyeball.

i can't really 100% confirm the story, but i hung with this dude for several days and he seemed like a believable guy. and it *was* first hand, not "this happened to my bro's best friend" or whatever.

flip side, de la played my college back in 88 and showed up at my friends house party afterwards, and apparently they were all totally nice guys. i guess 10-15 years of snorting drugs while everyone kisses your ass no matter what you do can change ya.

― messiahwannabe, Monday, January 17, 2011 11:51 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark

Oh fuck off

cold bloooooooodeed

Oh fuck off

don't make me jump over the bar and cut yo face with a broken bottle

ps. i'm not even sure why you're telling me to fuck off.

Other rappers have talked about De La being a lot more thugged out than their image would indicate.

Yeah, Pres, and they address that on De La Soul Is Dead, but Mesiahwannabe's story, or rather the story the club owner on the German/Swiss border told him, sounds fucking ridiculous.

no wai my cousin said

Sure, I just mean that recent cocaine-damaged De Le assholism isn't completely out of character as per rep. I dunno if it's necessarily worse than, say, Big Pun smashing Rocafella dudes over the head with champagne bottles and Fat Joe trying to smooth things over. Intoxicated demons, etc.

i dunno, someone mentioned thinking it would be funny to hear de la soul thug stories, and once i met a guy with a huge scar on his face he said he got from plug one-of-the-members in a bar fight. what's ridiculous exactly? for the record, i hung with this guy for like 5 days once when i was on vacation, he only got started on the stories a few days in when we discovered we worked in the same industry, and all his other stories were just realistic-detail laden stories about semi-obscure indie bands he liked coming through his club, and, like, liquor zoning laws in europe and their effect on club going demographics. it's possible the story was bullshit, but i thought he was believable. i've certainly heard the "band shows up, demands drug X, won't play till they get it" story before from friends who've worked in clubs.

goddamnit, i hate it when i kill a thread by being all reasonable, explaining myself, etc. umm, jay-z totally killed someone, but his lawyers told him not to bring it up, ever.

Which rappers do you think may have actually killed a thread in the past?

when when ?uestlove posts on okplayer, trolls shut the fuck up

i don't suppose he's ever killed anyone though.

<waits for the ?uestlove thug stories to roll in>

when when ?uestlove posts on okplayer, trolls shut the fuck up

classic material

No-one's said Schooly D.

Classic throwaway line in Chuck Eddy's "The Accidental Evolution of Rock and Roll": "Schooly D. used to mug old ladies or study art or something..."

Q-Tip once beheaded a dude for saying a lake wasn't beautiful

C Murder appears to be out of luck.

Strange story about Q-Tip.

That sounds like dark humour. Or is there more to it ?

I think it's not happening til the next season of GoT

Strange story about Q-Tip.

That sounds like dark humour. Or is there more to it ?

― Dirk, Thursday, June 13, 2013 9:14 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

nah man. behind his chill demeanor, Q-Tip is a calculating sociopath. in his wake are many, many bodies.

his name is c murder because he sees murder. doesn't necessarily commit murder.― À la recherche du temps Pardew (jim in glasgow), Sunday, January 16, 2011 2:03 AM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Still LOL at this

Are we then to assume Ghostface Killer only kills ghostfaces (whathever they are), and is not, in fact, the slayer of men we previously thought?

uhhhh...

http://www.earshot-online.com/features/2007/November/despot.cfm

[thinker emoji]

haha whoa...it feels like maybe there should be some extra quotation marks there, like he's describing the braggadocio that he doesn't do?

Muddy Waters's guitarist Pat Hare recorded a song called "I'm Gonna Murder My Baby" and then did just that.

yeah Pat Hare could drop a mean 16

Since Definitive Jux is a haven for unique underground rappers who do not fit in anywhere else, I start the interview by asking him what makes him unique in the rap game.

He is surprisingly circumspect. “A good question… I think I am probably the only rapper right now with a combover, and I think the dress code is a little bit unique. I think most of it is visual. I don’t think I have much to say that is really interesting. But I think I look cool.”

I don’t think I have much to say that is really interesting

wasn't this the name of Drake's first EP

can't believe nobody mentioned Cassidy

Despot's album is the indie rap Chinese Democracy

Max B keeled someone too

indirectly and unintentionally, the case was questionable tbh

u filed an amicus brief?

yeah but the woman behind the counter at mcdonalds just looked confused

yo is it true deej got sonned by a burger jockey after a amicus brief??????

Lol

Any n00 deths?

https://www.theguardian.com/music/2019/jul/24/teen-rapper-tay-k-sentenced-to-55-years-the-race

Rakim killed 21 guys on "My Melody."
― Austin Still (Austin, Still), Sunday, October 2, 2005 11:01 PM bookmarkflaglink

this thread makes me think about how dumb the title for the Kendrick Lamar thread is