Pavement-best band of 1990s or overrated/not aging well?

Haha I just sat staring helplessly at categories list when starting a new thread, it's not only you. I like to think of the list as an illustration of mark s's mental map of musical topics (cos he cleaned ilm up a lot a few years ago), but that's probably unfair. To whom I'm not sure.

I'll have to disappoint you though Douglas, by voting Neither.

xpost: Denim is/are a band. Check allmusic e.g.

Hell no! If I were being sarcastic I would say Pavement. Who I really like! No, really, I do.

i've been itching to say that for so long but there have been no pavement threads ever

i mean, i REALLY like pavement.

any other bands or artists with more than 4 great albums in the decade?

any others who were great in the early/mid/late 90s?

And fwiw, I think the Gories and Royal Trux and Dwarves and late period Verlaines and the '90s Fall and the Shadow Ring and the Dead C and Stereolab were better.

Yes! I don't even listen to those old moldy lo-fi things. they were a great album band. and a good rock band. not a great rock band. like i said, catchy & peppy!

Denim were the best 90's band. After them, Anathema. Or maybe Godflesh. Wait, no, Eyehategod are second only to Denim. Pavement are on the list somewhere though.

Their music has agend unbelievably well, far better than any of their peers. For proof, listen to the double cd pavement tribute album, "everything is ending here" it's all these faceless indie bands (of the 36, I've only heard of Silkworm and Quickspace)...and what really comes through is the strength of their songwriting. They had so many great songs, more than any other 90s band.

Slanted and Enchanted is the best album released in the 1990s. Wowee Zowee is up there, too.

P.S. Wowee Zowee is the best album released in the 1990s. Please update your records to reflect this.

Hell yeah. Listening to the first two albums still makes me giddy. For me at least they slid after that, though the pay off was worth it, in that how good the first two Malkmus solo albums are totally took me by surprise.

I'm not sure if they were the best band of the 90s, though. There's just so many contenders. Leaving out solo artists--Royal Trux, Stereolab, Bark Psychosis, Yo La Tengo, De La Soul, Nirvana, Uncle Tupelo, Archers of Loaf, Grifters, Sleep, this could go on for way too long.

I don't know who the best band of the '90s is, but I know damn well they didn't record "Hit the Plane Down."

WHY???!
you invoke this name for what reason, unadulterated fanboydom?

pavement-good-S&E/CRCR/WZ some of Westing
meh- brighten
ewwww- terror twilight and almost all SM solo
PSOI holds up better...not by much

they're aging pretty well i think tho!

This was addressed on the Matador board earlier this year that there wouldn't be one released this year, but there could be one next year, and he didn't understand why everybody was asking aboot it (Um, because the other 2 got re-releases for their 10th anniversary, perhaps?).

listen to the double cd pavement tribute album, "everything is ending here" it's all these faceless indie bands (of the 36, I've only heard of Silkworm and Quickspace)

Isn't Bardo Pond on that comp? I'd be inclined to say they were one of the better bands of the 1990s.

and i predict it'll still sound like a band that isn't really there...or more to the point, the sound of the 1st SM solo. but, with one really great song they should've recorded about 2 years earlier (ie-...and then AKA THE HEXX). i don't see this one gettin any better w/ age.

"A bit off-topic, but: shouldn't the Special Ed. of Wowee be coming out soonish? Is there any news? I am super psyched for this."

prepare for disappointment- all sources claim it ain't happening. why? ask SM...

Denim, Pulp, Wu Tang Clan, Blur, Autechre, Spice Girls, Nirvana, Underworld, Divine Comedy,Yo la Tengo, Basement Jaxx, Low, Cardigans, Leftfield, Radiohead, Disco Inferno, Public Enemy, Massive Attack, Spiritualized, Eels, Tortoise, The Aloof, Broadcast, TLC, Cornershop, PSB, Black Grape, Tindersticks, Sunhouse, Lambchop, Gorky's, Boards of Canada, Flaming Lips, Slint, Supergrass, De La Soul, KLF, Auteurs, TFC, Outkast, Orbital, Suede, Pixies, Magnetic Fields, Bathers, Fridge, Weezer, Ultramarine, Sonic Youth, Crowded House, Mogwai, All Saints, Air, Orb, G!YBE.

I do like Cut your hair a lot, though.

Who, Pavement. Well I've got three albums and three singles's by them. They're mostly tolerable and on a few occasions inspired (Cut your hair,Father to a sister of thought, Major leagues from TT), but now there are many artists and albums I'd choose to listen to before them.

ok, of all you listed i don't see too many who could compare. but, hey...to each they're own.
glad you like cut yr hair!

De La Soul- alright now...seriously...

"band" = group of people making music together. all three are bands. and De La's output equaled or bettered Pavement's during the '90s. (De La is the most consistent hip-hop act ever.)

i guess i was going on the 'rock band' equation of "band" status.
so, yr right. and yr right!
i stand corrected and coerced.

ed you do realize that "brighten the corners" is the only pave record where all members were present during the recording of, right?

And, doing a short thing on the James Carter/Pavement album "Gold Sounds" along with something on this latest Silver Jews Nashville album so I went back and listened to Pavement too. (Carter does a great job on "Blue Hawaiian" and "Stereo," I think.) I still think "Terror" is their second-best album, while I probably think that "Wowee" contains the songs I come away from most affected emotionally (altho "Starlings of Slipstream" seems pretty felt to me). It'd be great to talk to Carter about the selection process that went into "Gold Sounds"...

JESUS

I used to like Pavement. Their early records were cool. But they got signed to Matador and were getting hyped a little and

JESUS II, THE QUICKENING

I went from really hating Pavement to really liking Crooked Rain, Crooked Rain at least, but best band of the '90s? I dunno.

My nomination: GUITAR WOLF. Or maybe Stereolab. And OutKast. Fuck, that's a triple bill show I would pay so much money to see.

i think low and geto boys and maybe wu tang clan and definitely mbv edge them out, though.

terror twilight is my most played pavement album, though i think i have decided that it is not their best.

crooked rain is overrated. i own a copy of that, and i can't be bothered to play it much.

i think slanted is their best. i don't own a copy of that (my brother does, but he doesn't live in my house at the mo) and i miss it a lot. i've been surprised how much i miss 'brighten the corners' as well.

i have a copy of 'wowee zowee' but i've never been much bothered with it.

But no, they're not the best band of the 1990s. That honor goes to Diplo.

I guess I like the band exclusively from the "Malkmus as a cute 70s songwriter" angle, not the celebrated slack-motherfucker angle.

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Royal Trux
Guided by Voices
Yo La Tengo

Peace-out

I have no problem with someone saying that Pavement was the best band of the 1990's. I don't know if I could say that, but I definitely don't think that they're overrated.

-- hstencil (hstenc!...), October 7th, 2005."

yesh. i does. but, that one still falls flat, sound wise, to me. i don't know if it's the production or what.

"Outkast- apples/watermelons/chicken
Yeah that line's really outta line, WTF !
-- blunt (blunt120...), October 8th, 2005."

that was a lame attempt @ humor. falling short it appears...

Flaming Lips did this IMO. Pavement did too. Definitely "rated" correctly.

Itz teh whatevernevermind generation!

"The Whole Thing Smacks Of Effort"
- Lisa's cool summertime friend

Untune>Slanted (the seminal album)
Cardinal>Crooked Rain (the accesible album)
Instinct>Wowee Zowee (the wierd album)
TNBACLT>Whichever crappy late Pavement album floats your boat

God knows I'd rather hear a Moles influenced band than a Pavement influenced band these days.

A case could also be made for Super Furry Animals.

well, HUZZAH! then.
next i'll try to relate the ideas of apples/oranges to that of sushi and peanut butter with little results.
what for it.

Wowee Zowee fourthed, or fifthed, or whatever.

Omoide Hatoba : From Suichu-Joe through Kinsei.

Actually, I don't listen to either Pavement or Omoide Hatoba much these days. Calling Pavement the best band of the '90s doesnt seem right, but then I can't think of an obvious challenger for that title either (except maybe OH or Naked City).

that's cuz most of the 'harder edged bands' sucked worse than pavement...
i'm totally cereal here...

trying to describe to a younger friend what the royal trux were all about, i described them as nirvana to pavement's pearl jam.

we were spoiled with great music early to mid 90s.

God help them

do yall really like this??? heard these dudes for the 1st time this wknd (slanted & enchanted lmbo) and was wondering what pps liked abt it. i do not despise some of u who were big upping them on this thread but i do not get it at all it sounds so indistinct and 'buhhhh.' anyway give me ur thoughts unless i dont like u in which case gtfo

Nice use of slang.

gayvement

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wtf slang was i using

ok i know it sounds like i am trolling but this is a http://bestmessageboardever.com/uploads/monthly_09_2007/post-1452-1189460592.jpg question. i am interested in knowing what my earz do not hearz.

an engaging combination of lackadaisical humor, pomo obscurist posturing, trad pop hooks, and noise.

I like the song they did about cutting your hair that was in Jackass 2.

horrible, inept Weezer ripoff band

hahaha

Hey Dom, funny you say that, coz they play that cutting hair song on the horse racing channel in Australia. I heard it the other day.

They also play the Fooies. They play some good stuff.

It's a good topic for a song, cutting hair. It's a universal, shared experience.

not for sikhs and rastas

Still waiting on that "Best of Pavement" CD.

keep waiting.

Pavement: Greatest Hit

watch Slow Century with your eyes closed.

(I can't even begin to fathom what criteria would be used to compile a "best of" for a band with no hits and such a sprawling catalog)

Slow Century made me sort of hate Malkmus

As much as I like BtC, I they the Paves could have gone somewhere even better after the fucking awesome Wowee Zowee.

"i think the Paves" sorry

cankles, I'm not a huge fan of Slanted & Enchanted although it's a lot of people's favourite by them. I find the whole thing exactly as you describe, bar one or two standout tracks. Crooked Rain is a much more mature follow up, as is everything else they did after their "lo-fi" phase.

Wanko - the appeal of BtC is that it has Malkmus's best lyrics.

shame about the songs