Madonna "Hung Up"

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― ZionTrain (ZionTrain), Friday, 14 October 2005 00:13 (twenty years ago)

I like. Possibly her best single since "Beautiful Stranger", definitely since "Don't Tell Me" at any rate.

― edward o (edwardo), Friday, 14 October 2005 00:28 (twenty years ago)

what is that sample again?

― ZionTrain (ZionTrain), Friday, 14 October 2005 00:47 (twenty years ago)

"Gimme Gimme Gimme (A Man After Midnight)" by ABBA. I want her next single to sample "Gimme Gimme" by Whigfield.

― edward o (edwardo), Friday, 14 October 2005 00:49 (twenty years ago)

hahaha this is totally awesome! my friends were wrong.

― deej.. (deej..), Friday, 14 October 2005 04:02 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, I've been all over this song lately. Very nice rebound on Madge's part (well, for one song, anyway).

― Deric W. Haircare (Deric W. Haircare), Friday, 14 October 2005 04:06 (twenty years ago)

Kinda disappointed to learn about the ABBA sample, though. That's the high point of the song, IMO.

― Deric W. Haircare (Deric W. Haircare), Friday, 14 October 2005 04:09 (twenty years ago)

http://s62.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=3C2LG3CHKY2TB3J7GTUUPNL8T4

― cough, Friday, 14 October 2005 04:10 (twenty years ago)

And also:

― Deric W. Haircare (Deric W. Haircare), Friday, 14 October 2005 04:16 (twenty years ago)

I don't know why the link disappeared...

http://s54.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=14D1VWT7ZXXRY1QULKUF39040P

― Deric W. Haircare (Deric W. Haircare), Friday, 14 October 2005 04:17 (twenty years ago)

that link is blocked. is that an extended mix?

― deej.. (deej..), Friday, 14 October 2005 04:25 (twenty years ago)

the earlier one of the 2 isn't...

― Rich (Stinkin Rich), Friday, 14 October 2005 13:19 (twenty years ago)

and no, its the radio edit

― Rich (Stinkin Rich), Friday, 14 October 2005 13:19 (twenty years ago)

Yeah. Hang on, I'll try to repost it:

http://s52.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=0ZBQN0CYAMZAW308D5DE11BG8E

― Deric W. Haircare (Deric W. Haircare), Friday, 14 October 2005 13:24 (twenty years ago)

Wow. It's just completely refusing to work. Awesome.

― Deric W. Haircare (Deric W. Haircare), Friday, 14 October 2005 13:29 (twenty years ago)

Just rename your file. That should do it.

― mark grout (mark grout), Friday, 14 October 2005 13:31 (twenty years ago)

all works fine this side of the net. ta for this ..

― mark e (mark e), Friday, 14 October 2005 13:33 (twenty years ago)

my ginbox spreads its legs once again (I can't download)...

― The Lex (The Lex), Friday, 14 October 2005 13:44 (twenty years ago)

What's that other file sharing site again? I've tried YSI three times already and it's blocking it every time.

― Deric W. Haircare (Deric W. Haircare), Friday, 14 October 2005 13:47 (twenty years ago)

Sampling "Gimme Gimme Gimme" is a no-lose situation; the track is giddier than anything she's done since "Music." Time will tell whether I will enjoy it as much.

― Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Friday, 14 October 2005 14:00 (twenty years ago)

http://www.popjustice.co.uk/images/madonnahungupsleeve.jpg

She seems to have stolen Anna's hair on that cover.

― Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Friday, 14 October 2005 14:24 (twenty years ago)

Deric, strip out the ID3 tags if the MP3 has any. That's a common source of YSI blockage...

― carson dial (carson dial), Friday, 14 October 2005 14:25 (twenty years ago)

That isn't Madonna on the cover, it's Lourdes.

The ABBA sample is wack. This song is hideous.

― Richj (Rich), Friday, 14 October 2005 14:46 (twenty years ago)

Tried it. Still blocked. Have no idea what's going on. Not terribly inclined to waste more time on it.

― Deric W. Haircare (Deric W. Haircare), Friday, 14 October 2005 14:52 (twenty years ago)

I guess I could send it to one of you and have you dick around w/it until it works.

― Deric W. Haircare (Deric W. Haircare), Friday, 14 October 2005 14:53 (twenty years ago)

Please send it to me!

― The Lex (The Lex), Friday, 14 October 2005 14:59 (twenty years ago)

hung up (sdp's extended dub) promo 12

― anonymoses, Friday, 14 October 2005 15:11 (twenty years ago)

THANK YOU, ANONYMOSES.

(The file size exceeds 10 MB by quite a bit, so no gmailing, either.)

― Deric W. Haircare (Deric W. Haircare), Friday, 14 October 2005 15:12 (twenty years ago)

Here's the one with vocals:

http://s44.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=1MVM610HO2D3R3DBNM8PDHTYGE

― Richj (Rich), Friday, 14 October 2005 15:16 (twenty years ago)

the vocals make it sound a bit too San Francisco gay club-ish but the JLC's dub mix fixes that. Nowhere NEAR as thumping as "Music".

― kevin says relax (daddy warbuxx), Friday, 14 October 2005 17:30 (twenty years ago)

is this the one on the motorola ad with all the popstars in a phone box?

― CharlieNo4 (Charlie), Friday, 14 October 2005 17:32 (twenty years ago)

Anybody got a YSI of the Abba song?

― js (honestengine), Friday, 14 October 2005 18:18 (twenty years ago)

http://s47.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=0E36FSQXV11EL169QI1KXHH57J

― The Brainwasher (Twilight), Friday, 14 October 2005 18:22 (twenty years ago)

Thanks! The sample really IS the best part of the song...

― js (honestengine), Friday, 14 October 2005 19:12 (twenty years ago)

sounds like the go team remixed by vitalic

― minolta (minolta), Friday, 14 October 2005 22:11 (twenty years ago)

It's all a bit H and Claire isn't it? :(((

― j0e (j0e), Friday, 14 October 2005 22:47 (twenty years ago)

Hmm. It is Victoria Newton, so it probably should be ignored, but dear me, this is fanning my anticipation...

― edward o (edwardo), Thursday, 20 October 2005 08:47 (twenty years ago)

Well, once you start reading the track per track reviews, my heart sank below the disco floor cause they claim Hung Up is fantastic. *sigh*

― nathalie, a bum like you (stevie nixed), Thursday, 20 October 2005 08:58 (twenty years ago)

But it is! I am listening to it right now and bopping in my chair and stabbing my arms around in the most unbelievably gay fashion and am loving it.

― edward o (edwardo), Thursday, 20 October 2005 09:01 (twenty years ago)

Hmm. Not only does "Hung Up" leave me totally cold, but...

She was sampling the "Music Sounds Better With You"/"Holiday" bootleg on the 2001 tour, so nothing new there then.

"Can You Feel It" has already been used by The Tamperer ft Maya, to brain-numbing effect.

"I Feel Love"? Goodness, how rad! I can hardly wait!

That string opening from "Papa Don't Preach" was recently sampled by Mario on "Never Really Was". Also, we've only just got over Kelly Osborne's version.

She's already done a song called "Forbidden Love" - it's on Bedtime Stories.

Telling George W. to fack off? Two words: George. Michael. Be very afraid.

Another love song for Guy? What, like "I Deserve It" from Music?

Sampling Die Another Day, from the last album? Wow, peel me off the ceiling.

Endless defensive self-referential lyrics about her fame and how she's perceived? "You can call me a sinner or a saint, This is who I am, You can like it or not, You can love me or leave me, But I’m never going to stop." What, AGAIN?

Colour me cautious.

― mike t-diva (mike t-diva), Thursday, 20 October 2005 09:50 (twenty years ago)

Be honest, you secretly want to BE her don't cha?

― daddy warbuxx (daddy warbuxx), Thursday, 20 October 2005 16:43 (twenty years ago)

Madonna has saved pop! Again! Phew! "Hung Up" : the only pop masterpiece single of '05 :( :) :P :D

― Pvt. Dave Goes (scarlet), Thursday, 20 October 2005 16:58 (twenty years ago)

i loved this song pretty much immediately on hearing it. best thing she's done since "don't tell me".

― tricky (disco stu), Thursday, 20 October 2005 17:25 (twenty years ago)

Anyone seen this yet?

http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,4-2005480548,00.html

It reads like a press release.

― Alex H (Alex Henreid), Thursday, 20 October 2005 17:32 (twenty years ago)

Oh, didn't see it up thread. :-(

― Alex H (Alex Henreid), Thursday, 20 October 2005 17:33 (twenty years ago)

Andrew Sullivan chimes in:

CONFESSIONS: The DP already has the "Hung Up" song blasting through the apartment all day and half the night, and if it's any indication of the rest of the album, it's going to be superb. Madonna has always understood pop music in a way that most Americans don't (I exclude gay men). By "pop," I mean popular music that isn't rock, country or hip-hop. So it's unsurprising that the most ecstatic reviews for her new pop-dance album, "Confessions On A Dance Floor," come from the culture that gets pop more than any other: Britain. We have almost a month more to wait?

Er.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 20 October 2005 17:43 (twenty years ago)

its never too late to go filterdisco

― unconscious, honey (FE7), Thursday, 20 October 2005 17:45 (twenty years ago)

well it's not quite alan braxe!!

― tricky (disco stu), Thursday, 20 October 2005 17:51 (twenty years ago)

It's all a bit H and Claire isn't it? :(((

-- j0e (j_o_e_...), October 14th, 2005. (j0e) (later)

OTM

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Thursday, 20 October 2005 17:55 (twenty years ago)

Sullivan often and without warning sticks his frontal lobe in the microwave and dances ecstatically while it burns to a crisp.

― Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Thursday, 20 October 2005 17:56 (twenty years ago)

That isn't Madonna on the cover, it's Lourdes.

is it? oh dear, Madonna-daughter-hotness!

― kyle (akmonday), Thursday, 20 October 2005 17:59 (twenty years ago)

Wait, wait, how old is Lourdes again?

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 20 October 2005 18:13 (twenty years ago)

NINE

― David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 20 October 2005 18:15 (twenty years ago)

i didn't think that was her. bad joke!

― kyle (akmonday), Thursday, 20 October 2005 18:18 (twenty years ago)

.. and Robbie Williams of course. Madonna and Robbie: just about the only ones to shout about in pop at the minute, sigh.

― Pvt. Dave Goes To Filey (scarlet), Friday, 21 October 2005 18:39 (twenty years ago)

Is the main single version produced by Stuart Price? It sounded JLC-esque when I heard on Radio 1 when I was getting my hair cut today and I liked it.

― Nick H (Nick H), Friday, 21 October 2005 19:18 (twenty years ago)

madonna is rumored to be djing misshapes tonight in nyc.

― maria tessa sciarrino (theoreticalgirl), Friday, 21 October 2005 21:25 (twenty years ago)

What an awesome song. Has anyone heard the others, like for example "Forbidden Love", which JLC says he mixed down in his bedroom ?

― Zed Szetlian (Finn MacCool), Thursday, 27 October 2005 21:37 (twenty years ago)

this song is fairly boring.

― The Good Dr. Bill (The Good Dr. Bill), Thursday, 27 October 2005 22:45 (twenty years ago)

A lot of great stuff to say about this song, but I don't like the "Gimme Gimme Gimme" sample. Madonna is such a great songwriter she doesn't need to borrow other people's songs for her own.

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Thursday, 27 October 2005 23:35 (twenty years ago)

i like this song, and i think the high point of the song is not the abba sample. honestly, it is the beat that goes tugadug-tugadug-tugadug-tugadug, because it makes you dance. the abba sample just makes it cute.

― raymundo atienza, Friday, 28 October 2005 04:04 (twenty years ago)

Debuts at #20 on the Billboard Hot 100 singles chart. Her best showing since "Die Another Day," I suppose. Dr. Bill, think you'll resume weekly chart updates?

― Joseph McCombs (Joseph McCombs), Friday, 28 October 2005 04:23 (twenty years ago)

"Gimme Gimme Gimme (A Man After Midnight)" by ABBA. I want her next single to sample "Gimme Gimme" by Whigfield.
-- edward o (edwardo...), October 14th, 2005.
and she could mash it with her own sample of "holiday".

― retrogurl, Friday, 28 October 2005 06:49 (twenty years ago)

my GOD this song is unstoppably good. how the hell could i have ever doubted her?

― The Lex (The Lex), Friday, 28 October 2005 08:36 (twenty years ago)

I just saw the video last night and I must say I'm very disapointed. She looks great but her dancing is just so out of sync and boring. Is it supposed to be a parody or something? It sure ain't "Express Yourself" or "Human Nature". Love the song though.

― LeRooLeRoo (Seb), Friday, 28 October 2005 14:03 (twenty years ago)

I wouldn't go as far as Lex but I think its pretty good. The JLC dub is obv better.

― deej.. (deej..), Friday, 28 October 2005 15:54 (twenty years ago)

"I just saw the video last night and I must say I'm very disapointed. She looks great but her dancing is just so out of sync and boring. Is it supposed to be a parody or something?"
-- LeRooLeRoo

There's definitely something strange about the video that I can't quite pin point. Maybe the muted colors and the fact that lots of people are dancing alone gives the song a darker context than I was expecting. I'll probably come to a conclusion about its relationship to the song soon enough. I do enjoy the near final wide shot of the entire club doing the syncronized wheel-motion hand gesture though.

― theodore (herbert hebert), Friday, 28 October 2005 16:40 (twenty years ago)

"I do enjoy the near final wide shot of the entire club doing the syncronized wheel-motion hand gesture though."

I guess I was expecting a lot more of that. I feel it lacks energy and doesn't fit the song very well.

― LeRooLeRoo (Seb), Friday, 28 October 2005 16:50 (twenty years ago)

Very good video; her dancing leaves something to be desired--yes. But the other dancers are frequenly great ... I assume the muted colors are part of the 'disco-era' theme (which is tired, admittedly), and I can put up with that (despite an obvious bias for high-contrast stock in videos) in light of how well it's put together. In fact Madonna is generally the weak point of the video, which is discouraging.

And then she grinds the stereo.

― Zed Szetlian (Finn MacCool), Friday, 28 October 2005 16:56 (twenty years ago)

The video depressed me. It reminded me of some aging European actress - did a couple of Fellini movies, then faded away to nothing - releasing a novelty disco single just to stay even a few more moments in the public eye. Madonna has nobody around to tell her she's out of good ideas and should just fuck off and go ride horses with her kids, and it's too bad.

― pdf (Phil Freeman), Friday, 28 October 2005 17:09 (twenty years ago)

Madonna IS the weak point of the video, which is why it is disapointing. She is the queen of pop, and of videos for that matter, she should be the center of attention in her own videos. I don't care about a bunch of dancers. Get a choreographer if you run out of ideas.

(x-post)

― LeRooLeRoo (Seb), Friday, 28 October 2005 17:12 (twenty years ago)

Exactly, she looks like your mom trying to dance to a disco song (admittedly, I guess that's what she is now, but still...) Or maybe I'm missing something.

(x-post)

― LeRooLeRoo (Seb), Friday, 28 October 2005 17:15 (twenty years ago)

Ding! Ding! Ding! Ding! Ding!

Rah! At last, it's the "she looks like your mom" reference!

It's a bit surprising we got so far down a Madonna thread before some dur-dur finally wheeled out the "she looks like your mom" reference, but at last it's here! Better late then never!
Hurrah for ILM's "she looks like your mom" reference, makes you proud, dunnit?

― Pvt. Dave Goes To Far (scarlet), Friday, 28 October 2005 18:50 (twenty years ago)

Who ARE you people?

― The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Friday, 28 October 2005 18:51 (twenty years ago)

This song has been trotting around in my head from the first moment I heard it, which is very rare, and it was NOT because of the ABBA sample

the clip version is even better with the intro, buildup and finale (the very heavy beats are fantastic)BUT I do think that La Ciccone's dancing isn't all that energetic and innovating.

I do agree with a lot of you here that it's the best she did since "Don't tell me"... though "Hollywood" was beautiful

― blondette the pink fairy, Sunday, 30 October 2005 19:33 (twenty years ago)

This song is pretty fantastic, isn't it?

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Sunday, 30 October 2005 20:13 (twenty years ago)

is that thing they do with the beat flipping back on itself a new thing or done before? its like a faux breakdown..?.

― Susan Douglas (Susan Douglas), Sunday, 30 October 2005 23:14 (twenty years ago)

If I'm thinking of the same thing then, no (in a non-technical way) I don't think it is but I do hate it!

It kinda sounds like a filter-house sound, but not synched up correctly so it has a sickmaking backwards lilt to it?

There's another really prominent example of this in some UK top40 chart record atm (follow up to a big pop-house single? virtually the same song re-written? gah who is it?!)

― login name (fandango), Sunday, 30 October 2005 23:29 (twenty years ago)

I am probably way off, sorry.

― login name (fandango), Sunday, 30 October 2005 23:30 (twenty years ago)

no i think we're possibly talking about different things tho. in the motorola mix its around 1:50 where the tonal revolution swallows itself briefly. its actually not as interesting or as weird as i remember (from last night when in a romantic mood)-not worth checking out. think it stood out b/c the rest of the song to my ears is unremarkable/too familiar sounding b/c of the ABBA and also vocals boring me. the heavy beats are nice but still unsatisfying.

― Susan Douglas (Susan Douglas), Monday, 31 October 2005 01:23 (twenty years ago)

xpost

that "tugadug-tugadug-tugadug-tugadug" is lifted straight from "Love On Video" by The NY Models and Bobby O. foreals.

― kevin says relax (daddy warbuxx), Monday, 31 October 2005 03:43 (twenty years ago)

and about 50,000 other electro-techno songs, to be fair!!

the video is tremendous! i love it when the waitress at the chinese place decides to join in. and it ends with Dance Dance Revolution! i agree that there's something weird about all the dancing, beyond the spaz-robottish style everyone's got.. i think it's just cut poorly. you get a bit less time with each person's moves than you'd like.

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Monday, 31 October 2005 04:00 (twenty years ago)

you get a bit less time with each person's moves than you'd like.

I think this has been a general condition of videos for a while. The last one off the top of the head that had nifty editing and actual exposition of the choreography was what 'Can't Get You Out Of My Head' ?

― Zed Szetlian (Finn MacCool), Monday, 31 October 2005 06:04 (twenty years ago)

her best single since, uh, 'Music'

― Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Monday, 31 October 2005 11:54 (twenty years ago)

i'm even strangely impressed by her video arse as well.

― Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Monday, 31 October 2005 11:56 (twenty years ago)

best since 'beautiful stranger' as someone said -- but it *is* a bit 1998, not that that's a bad thing.

― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Monday, 31 October 2005 11:58 (twenty years ago)

Hey Mom, can you stop dancing like that ? It's a bit embarrassing, really.

― snowballing (snowballing), Monday, 31 October 2005 12:02 (twenty years ago)

the MADONNA IS OLD LOLZ snarkiness really needs to be retired. unlike the lady herself.

― The Lex (The Lex), Monday, 31 October 2005 12:15 (twenty years ago)

i think the video is annoying for multiple reasons. really though, and i like the song, this could be anyone. people say rachel stevens has no personality -- well, she has more than madonna.

― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Monday, 31 October 2005 12:17 (twenty years ago)

This thread is to ILX what "Hung Up" is to Madonna; a reprise of all the clichés which you either love or loathe depending on, well, how you feel about ILX / Madonna. And so we hear, from ILX, the scuttling of a crowd of popist feet, the sound of this record being put already into year-end lists, some sexism/ageism scuffles, and a Ned Raggett Andrew Sullivan quote (what, again?). From Madonna, meanwhile, we hear some Donna Summer and Abba references, the sweeping filter trick she learnt from Mirwais, and a lament about the passing of time turned into vaguely cod-feminist petulance-as-empowerment.

― Momus (Momus), Monday, 31 October 2005 12:28 (twenty years ago)

I heard this record on the radio and I thought it was rubbish.

― PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Monday, 31 October 2005 12:33 (twenty years ago)

You've entered the mirror yourself, now, Momus!

I think it's a good record, it doesn't have to be mind blowing to be alot better than any of the singles off American Life.

It does bother me, or maybe not even bother me, that it is now officially par for the course for gigantic aging behemoth musical brands like Madonna and U2 to hook up with huge global industries when promoting their new records. Also with the song called "Hung Up", did they already do the deal with Motorola and then write a song around this?

― Ronan (Ronan), Monday, 31 October 2005 12:38 (twenty years ago)

The funny thing is that "American Life" stands up much better than you'd expect. Taken away from the shock of how odd it was, "American Life" itself is actually half great, the little plaintive guitar-strum in the chorus is good, the rap is great. "Hollywood", well, less so, the ending is great though, and the only real problem is that Madonna is awful on it, she's singing the lyrics as if they're profound when she should have done them in a silly slapdash fashion. "Love Profusion" is fantastic, though, and as far as I'm concerned, "Nobody Knows Me" is a banger and "Easy Ride" is one of her best ballads. I like all of the album tracks, actually, the two first singles are actually the worst things on there, except for maybe "Ex-Static Process" which is a bit dull.

― edward o (edwardo), Monday, 31 October 2005 15:24 (twenty years ago)

What does a record being put in an end-year list sound like?
I figure it's something like 'kzzsh', but maybe others think it's more like 'brrrzoommmm'.

― naranjito (Koens), Monday, 31 October 2005 15:39 (twenty years ago)

Yes, I still think "American Life" is quite good. The lyric is a little naff, but it sounds fantastic. And "Love Profusion," "Nothing Fails," and "Easy Ride" are excellent. The rest of the album I can leave, but those four songs means that the CD is not really the wash-out that everyone says it is.

― brittle-lemon (brittle-lemon), Monday, 31 October 2005 15:41 (twenty years ago)

This thread is to ILX what "Hung Up" is to Madonna; a reprise of all the clichés which you either love or loathe depending on, well, how you feel about ILX / Madonna. And so we hear, from ILX, the scuttling of a crowd of popist feet, the sound of this record being put already into year-end lists, some sexism/ageism scuffles, and a Ned Raggett Andrew Sullivan quote (what, again?). From Madonna, meanwhile, we hear some Donna Summer and Abba references, the sweeping filter trick she learnt from Mirwais, and a lament about the passing of time turned into vaguely cod-feminist petulance-as-empowerment.

in short it's a shit song. it has nothing to do with gender or age, it's just a crap song.

― nathalie, a bum like you (stevie nixed), Monday, 31 October 2005 16:01 (twenty years ago)

And so we hear, from ILX, the scuttling of a crowd of popist feet, the sound of this record being put already into year-end lists, some sexism/ageism scuffles, and a Ned Raggett Andrew Sullivan quote (what, again?), and then the obligatory contrarian steps up.

― naranjito (Koens), Monday, 31 October 2005 16:11 (twenty years ago)

and then the obligatory contrarian steps up.
And then Momus pops up with a smug post that's nowhere near as clever as he thinks he is. You're inside the tent, stop pissing in it, Momus.

― edward o (edwardo), Monday, 31 October 2005 16:15 (twenty years ago)

"Don't shit where you eat" is good advice but

a) I did include the possibility that one can love ILX for its cliches, of which, you're right, my smug and arch posts are a prime example.

b) I neither shit nor eat here.

― Momus (Momus), Monday, 31 October 2005 17:10 (twenty years ago)

now you're just posting Madonna lyrics

― Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Monday, 31 October 2005 17:33 (twenty years ago)

Overliteralising figurative speech is the new hotness! Anyway, "popist feet", I want you to tell me what you mean by this. Are people loving this because of some kind of dogma? Who are the popists? What about this song is really hackneyed or cliched vis-a-vis Madge's back catalogue? It's certainly nothing like anything off any recent album of hers with the possible exception of "Impressive Instant".

― edward o (edwardo), Monday, 31 October 2005 17:35 (twenty years ago)

Is Madonna still interesting?

― Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Monday, 31 October 2005 17:48 (twenty years ago)

As opposed to merely entertaining (in that 'Hung Up' is an entertaining piece of work).

― Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Monday, 31 October 2005 17:48 (twenty years ago)

Meh, Madonna. I've never liked anything she's done, except perhaps, slightly, "Erotica", "Deeper and Deeper" and "Secret" (although that gets annoying, with all the "something's coming over"s). Give me Mylene Farmer, Brigitte Fontaine, Misora Hibari...

Popist feet are nimble feet and guilty feet. I remember, when I was growing up in Edinburgh, I used to see grafitti saying "No popery" and "The pope is sexy". I asked my mum what "sexy" meant in that context, but she just laughed at me. But now I know; it was popery, or popism, which was sexy, because pop is sexy and forbidden, like the pope in a Protestant land. Pop is a "guilty pleasure" in a land where rock is the stern religion. But not when it's done by Madonna, because she's based a career on making the parallel between pop and pope, popery and popism, too explicit. You don't need to spell it out, Madge. You don't need to tell us that confession is like getting a blow job, or that pop is Catholic and rock is Protestant.

― Momus (Momus), Monday, 31 October 2005 18:14 (twenty years ago)

you didn't like "Holiday"!!?!!?!!

― Ronan (Ronan), Monday, 31 October 2005 21:19 (twenty years ago)

Momus, frankly, while being light years behind Madonna as both a recording artist AND as a provocateur shouldn't preclude you having an opinion, even a negative one of her, what you've suggested simply applies to almost none of Madonna's really great records, and she's got stacks and stacks of them.

What's your point? It's really hard to discern behind the flowery posturing.

― edward o (edwardo), Monday, 31 October 2005 21:25 (twenty years ago)

indie kid in having overblown pompous opinion about pop non shocker

― Ronan (Ronan), Monday, 31 October 2005 21:26 (twenty years ago)

Momus is waving his hands around a lot, but he's not making balloon animals...

― mike h. (mike h.), Monday, 31 October 2005 21:28 (twenty years ago)

That second paragraph is worth a chuckle as second-rate Barthes, I guess. But the fatuous quibbling about popes and pops after you bail on her first album is just ridiculous.

― Zed Szetlian (Finn MacCool), Monday, 31 October 2005 21:51 (twenty years ago)

I don't think it is fair to criticize Momus' work as a vehicle to support an argument against what he says in his posts.

― daavid (daavid), Monday, 31 October 2005 23:05 (twenty years ago)

I mean, everytime he writes something there's an inevitable attack on his own music.

― daavid (daavid), Monday, 31 October 2005 23:08 (twenty years ago)

What Momus has said on this thread is claptrap, it's that simple, and just because he himself puts out records that are enjoyed by members of ILM shouldn't make him immune to criticism. I made a passing mention of his music, and basically said that he's entitled to have an opinion on Madonna. And there's nothing wrong with having a negative opinion of Madonna (that said, anyone who doesn't appreciate "Into The Groove" as one of the best records ever made by anyone ever.. well.. I'm suspicious), but really, that popist/popery thing is... well, moronic.

― edward o (edwardo), Monday, 31 October 2005 23:13 (twenty years ago)

It is a valid argument tactic, if not a very nice one; anyone who has heard me sing and though I sucked would be completely justified in using that opinion to torpedo any comment I made about a popular artist's singing style. Granted, I would probably tend to think that the person making the argument was a cloth-eared asshole with no social graces but that doesn't mean that calling my artistic contributions into question after I've called others' into question is verboten.

― Dan (Excruciating Back Pain) Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 31 October 2005 23:16 (twenty years ago)

No, it's not a valid argument tactic. There is no correlation. Do you ask the pig if the bacon is good?

― Zed Szetlian (Finn MacCool), Monday, 31 October 2005 23:45 (twenty years ago)

I might ask the pig if they had any clue how to construct a coherent analogy.

― Dan (Oh For Fuck's Sake) Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 31 October 2005 23:48 (twenty years ago)

Perhaps you'll notice the analogy is hinged on "There is no correlation" -- you're asking rather a lot of a pig, Dan.

― Zed Szetlian (Finn MacCool), Monday, 31 October 2005 23:51 (twenty years ago)

I mean, it's a valid argument tactic just as much as appending ", you ignorant fucker" to the end of every statement. There's no Geneva Convention against it, but it certainly doesn't do you any good.

― Zed Szetlian (Finn MacCool), Monday, 31 October 2005 23:53 (twenty years ago)

I think the pig is quietly confident in it's own tastiness.

― Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Monday, 31 October 2005 23:54 (twenty years ago)

Then there's a loudly confident pig:

http://www.doering.co.uk/doering/photos/misspiggy_janet.jpg

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 00:00 (twenty years ago)

she looks like a gay-bear trannie I saw walking around the Castro earlier.

― kevin says relax (daddy warbuxx), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 02:41 (twenty years ago)

Can't say no to love.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 02:42 (twenty years ago)

two weeks pass...

Anybody knows who is the songwriter of Hung Up?

― Joahn Raise, Monday, 21 November 2005 17:59 (twenty years ago)

The geezer Momus's post was silly, creative and fun!

Last night I saw this song on TotP. I don't know how it goes, it was not memorable enough for me to remember it, yet. Maybe I will one day, but I have still only heard it the once.

I think I liked the way that the video was 80s retro by an 80s icon, but perhaps I am wrong and it is not; but that's how it looked to me and it did something for me.

I am glad that Madonna is at #1, rather than someone I hate or have not heard of.

― the bellefox, Monday, 21 November 2005 18:35 (twenty years ago)

Madonna, Stuart Price, and the two ugly guys from ABBA (whose song "Gimme Gimme Gimme [A Man After Midnight]" Madonna and Price sample).

― Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Monday, 21 November 2005 18:49 (twenty years ago)

THANK YOU SO MUCH

― Joahn Raise, Tuesday, 29 November 2005 18:54 (twenty years ago)

Way, way better than either the song sampled or anything Madonna's done since 1994, IMO.

― Pete Scholtes, Tuesday, 29 November 2005 19:55 (twenty years ago)

"Ring ring ring goes the telephone"
By watching an ad on french MTV, I've just understood that this must have been written specifically to become a ringtone.

― snowballing (snowballing), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 15:35 (twenty years ago)

Momus' first post totally OTM, second one... can't really get with.

I like plenty of Madonna songs (most often the ones where I can avoid/ignore the overwhelmingly tedious meta-Madonna factor) but this is the one of the plain lamest records I've heard all year, up there with anything in the Top 40 rock/sensitive singer-songwriter+guitar world in terms of actual imagination and daring*. I simply can't hear the fun or the groove in this one. Just more try-hard butt-clenching.

*unless the implication is "daring for a woman in her position" which is such patronising bollocks. U2(!!) made better 'dance' tracks than this, with NO previous history (unlike Madge, who has been here before) and they're all getting on a bit too.

― fandango (fandango), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 17:17 (twenty years ago)

I've heard this in ASDA a few times and I think it's fairly cruddy. I absolutely adore Abba and think the "song" relies far too heavily on the catchiness of the GGG sample. As a child of the 80's I also adore Madonna but her ubiquity in the media has become tiresome. She she seems inordinately insecure for generation-defining multi-millionaire pop star.

― chris sallis, Wednesday, 7 December 2005 18:52 (twenty years ago)

It's a great song. It hasn't bored me yet. The ABBA sample is superfluous (as the Tracey Young remix demonstrated).

― Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 19:09 (twenty years ago)

Does anybody else feel that this song is one or two steps too low for her range? Especially when she gets to the "time goes by, so slowly" she sounds like she's a man with a cold or something, it drags the whole thing down.

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 19:11 (twenty years ago)

No, it's just that she can't sing.

― fandango (fandango), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 19:12 (twenty years ago)

Okay, that's a -little- (very) harsh. But her voice does come across as being incredibly inflexible sometimes.

― fandango (fandango), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 19:15 (twenty years ago)

Can someone YSI this please? I've never heard it, but I love the ABBA song it samples.

― musically (musically), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 19:16 (twenty years ago)

This would still be a poor song, even if Kylie gave it a go instead.

― fandango (fandango), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 19:18 (twenty years ago)

"The ABBA sample is superfluous"

Why include in the radio release then?

― chris sallis, Wednesday, 7 December 2005 19:29 (twenty years ago)

cuz it's great AND superfluous. To me "Hung Up" is a great mash-up.

― Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Thursday, 8 December 2005 01:13 (twenty years ago)

Time goes by... con loli

― jed_ (jed), Wednesday, 21 December 2005 23:17 (twenty years ago)

God damn

― Particular, Wednesday, 21 December 2005 23:58 (twenty years ago)

that looks waaaay more authentically 80's than the Madonna version.

I also like to rub myself up against tin foil covered walls. Nice to see I'm not the only one.

― kevin says relax (daddy warbuxx), Thursday, 22 December 2005 03:35 (twenty years ago)

two years pass...

i now think this song is great.

― Tracer Hand, Saturday, 20 December 2008 13:11 (seventeen years ago)

one year passes...

watched the video for this song like ten times today. a few minutes ago, i realized that madonna has been around for a longass time, so how old is she? the answer, when "confessions" came out, is forty-fucking-seven!!!!!!!

i was similarly shocked when i learned that the superhot mom from the show weeds is around the same age! what is the deal!

― marc iv, Wednesday, 13 October 2010 05:36 (fifteen years ago)

that video is 10/10 classic -- DDR scene is so great

― truly blunted rhyme fiend (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 13 October 2010 05:40 (fifteen years ago)

what is the deal!

― just sayin, Wednesday, 13 October 2010 08:04 (fifteen years ago)

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