Am I the only one who doesn't get Justice?

thats exactly what i love their 'human after all' remix for, the relentless overeggedness (see also mr oizos and jacksons recent output)

I don't like Mr Oizo or Jackson either really a great deal, I agree with Jess's post about them on the blog to be honest, feels sort of like IDM to me.

have you noticed how they use that bass sound on EVERY ONE of their remixes?

Yep.

I liked everything I've heard up till now. the Scenario Rock - 'Skitzo Dancer' remix is good clean fun too. That's what they do really, lighten things up when the chinstroking gets too intense. ;)

x3. tho it's sort've made me listen to their other tracks more than I would have - they lack any of the same magic, I think (or, at least, the things they remix that I wanna listen to have been remixed by people I'm generally more fond of).

Ronan, if "the terrace" has been ruling my universe for the past few years, what other linus loves should I listen to?

their other remix mode is more in the 'never be alone' / 'skitzo dancer' style, which can be good when it sounds like they've actually spent a bit of time on it (cf: the above two, 'ny excuse') but they also seem to pump out stuff like the britney, NERD and mystery jets remixes which are totally awful cookie-cutter stuff. the mystery jets one is just an indie song with that distort-o-bass sound underneath, not much of a remix really!

'never be alone' and 'skitzo dancer' are still great though. best taken in small doses, perhaps?

Guess this isn't a style for the ilx 'aficionados'.

lil' merzbow, I suggest you listen to One_Minute_To_Midnight, then you might discover that your cookie-cutter formula is a lazy generalization.

i don't know why i always feel the need to defend justice. it seems deeper than just the fact that i do genuinely like their music, and have from the very first note of the very first tune of theirs i heard. i think that when i try to defend justice i'm really trying to defend producers and dj's my age-ish (i'm 24), and arguing for the, ahem, old guard to give some young kids the time to learn to breathe before letting them suffocate in their pillows.

our priorities may be a little different from, ahem (again), yours. inevitably though, as history gets longer, the things that the new kids draw from disperses from whatever 'purity' the 'originals' identified with. seemingly unrelated pop culture resources inform our tastes in ways 'we' can't avoid, and that there's very little likelihood that 'you' would understand. i don't need to explicate this sort of split any further, because it's been done to death.

but the area where justice, the ed banger crew, baile, modern commercial hip hop, re-appropriations of classic house stuff, the decent stuff that emerged from electroclash, post-post-post-post-pospunk, mashups, fashion, haircuts, drugs and myspace converge into some sort of new-not-new zeitgeist, seems to be the very beginning of something (that i'm sure is cyclic and has come and gone many times) which promises to make a lot of really interesting culture.

there's of course the simple issue of just plain not liking the way that justice sound. but i think it is deeper than that for some people. i think that many people don't like what justice means because to them it sounds like a trend. the get physical sound or the bpitch sound or the kompakt sound is so much more studied and reverential to the elders (not a bad thing, imo), and it's easier to relate to for people who have cultivated an appreciation for the "classics".

i found the classics much later than i found the new stuff, certainly much later after electroclash. so for me, these newer things represented a trapdoor out of the room that was steadily drowning me in a pool of aphex beats and autechre algorithms. not only that, there was (at least superficially) attractive people who were a part of it, it's seductive and enticing. of course the momentum didn't last because there was absolutely no substance to it, and there wasn't much in the way of community because there was no personal signifiers in the music.

i'm still looking for those signifiers in this new crop of stuff, but i think what i relate to most immediately is the 'newness' of it. the fact that so much of it doesn't seem to rely upon what's come before it, or at the very least, the older things that it's drawing from seem more or less unrelated to the typical canon.

sorry for the rambling. i've said enough for now, but hopefully someone finds something to respond to.

DON'T LIKE IT ? THEY DO :
2 MANY DJ'S, EROL ALKAN, LAURENT GARNIER, TREVOR JACKSON, OPTIMO, MR OIZO, TIEFSCHWARZ, JAMES HOLDEN, CASSIUS, MSTRKRFT, BENNY BENASSI, DJ HELL, DJ FUNK, TIGA ...

i love it, but i'm pretty sure stir doesn't, unless he's had a change of heart. or was just being nice with his feedback.

How how is this album "Cross"? Anyone heard it? It's been pretty hyped.

have fun -> Justice - † Pretentious symbol = french dance?

haha, I guess not.

their stuff seems so uninspired to me. also, i don't like the way it sounds--there's sort of a sharp, tinny, empty quality to it, even when i hear it on a big sound system. it sounds like music created specifically to be made into mp3s to put on mp3 blogs!
-- geeta (geeta), Tuesday, April 18, 2006 12:08 AM (1 year ago) Bookmark Link

when did 'blog house' happen?

I've been listening to that Justice essential mix, and it's cool, actually, although it gets tough on the ears after a while

1) Anyone who thinks this isn't something new(ish) or fresh is, er, wrong. Which doesn't make it good, but does make it worth a listen.

2) with that vibe of deliberately flirting with crap/cheese-ness that means for every two great tracks there's always something up next that's completely amateur night & disposable that makes you feel ashamed to be dancing to it, ashamed of the music generally From the Fidgit house thread, but also otm as regards to this mix.

3) IDM comparisons also on the money - reminds me of Kid606 in approach in places, but obv MUCH more populist. There is not only a layer of bit recuction over EVERYTHING, but also moments when Ableton or whatever they are using to loop and pitchshift stuff can't cope and is stuttering, so like the skipping CD, it's making an aesthetic of technological failings.

4) There's some review somewhere of Bomb Squad PE productions where it talks about whole songs being used as riffs. The mix reminded me of that, and the Don't You Want Me bit works that way, not in a playing the same old tracks everyone but students with crazy hair probably sick of by now (Don't You Want Me) way.

5) I went to Fabric for the first time in about a year on Friday and DANCE was great, came on in the set just before Joakim's live band, which was also fab.

6) Blog House is such a crap name. Lets call it Glitch Disco or something, (Bitloss Disco? Bitcrusher Plus?), or just call it New Rave and call the Klaxons something else.

Lossylectro

death to false blog house

UDM (unintelligent dance music)?

origin of the name

how about dance music for short?

This is hilarious to me. A little term I made up to sort of diss how stagnant and predictable it has become has now been appropriated by those who play it. They takin' it back! It's like when gay dudes call each other fags.

does al still read that forum?

Right, can someone please confirm the story that Justice are trying to sell out a 17,000 capacity arena in America please? Because that's a whole new level of retardation if true.

i'm sure there are 17,000 retards in american, dom.

fuck haters

ripping off Daft Punk's Homework is ok, i guess

ripping off Daft Punk's Alive 2007 tour? NAH BRAH.

I'm guessing the 17,000 thing might be Coachella? if so, "Justice trying to sell it out" would be a disingenous term, since this would leave out the "sharing the bill with a lot of other more popular acts" thing (targeted to whoever told Dom this.)

That said, I wouldn't really call it retarded at all anyway you slice it.

The venue is Madison Square Garden, not Coachella, according to Resident Advisor.

Could be possible in NY. Who knows?

only 17,000 people bought tickets to see justice that night, but every one of them went out and started a blog

Wait, Fancy is opening at the Madison Square Gardens thing? As in the 80s Italo-disco dude?

i would go to this

phantom soulwax remix could convert a lot of haters.

I don't really get these guys either. I basically only like dance music with breakbeats in, though (not entirely true, but a fair rule of thumb to my tastes).

speed up 'new jack' and stick an amen loop underneath for '93 acen-esque thrills

Both their "live show" and their dj sets are just incredible - *easily* the live act of the year if it weren't for those pesky robots in their pyramid.

soulwax and lcd's live acts were *easily* orders of magnitude better than justice were at coachella this year.

justice's essential mix, on the other hand, was fucking fantastic

i like simian mobile disco!! their shit bangs

xpost,
You are *easily* mistaken.

(Although they were both excellent, and Justice's Coachella set was my least favorite)

(least favorite time I saw them last year)

any chance they're playing the THEATER at madison square garden? It's MUCH smaller.

i have never heard justice, just some britney remix they did. but i'll check them out based on spencer and chaki's enthusiasm <3

they are killer

justice is great!!!!!!!!! and i wouldnt be that surprised if they could come close to selling out msg

man, all those hipsters in one place...it would be SO EASY

both smd's and justice's albums are really great

seriously check out the soulwax justice thing if you havent heard it. not that different but i love love love it.

where can i find it?

found it :-D

SMD are much better when they're trying to be pretty than anthemic. Unfortunately the ratio on their album is like 1 to 5.

"Apparently not everyone is hip to Justice's dance-doing ways, however. Over the holidays the pair sat down for an interview with Norwegian newspaper Dagsavisen, wherein they revealed that a mix they had put together for the famed Fabriclive series had been rejected by the Fabric folk themselves.

According to a translation from interviewer Bernt Erik Pedersen, de Rosnay told Dagsavisen, "We didn't want to do just another boring mix, so we put together a selection of tunes we absolutely love, mainly weird disco tracks and French novelty acts. But Fabric turned it down. They weren't ready for something like this. Maybe we'll put the mix out ourselves. People should really hear it, they'd be surprised."

Judge for yourself: An unconfirmed tracklist for the Justice Fabriclive mix has been making the interweb rounds, and we've reprinted it below for your convenience.

Fabric, meanwhile, have not yet responded to requests for comment.

Rejected Justice Fabriclive mix (unconfirmed):

01 Sparks: "Tryouts for the Human Race"
02 Rondo Veneziano: "La Serenissima"
03 Goblin: "Tenebrae"
04 Daft Punk: "Ouverture"
05 Surkin: "Next of Kin"
06 Symbolone: "Love Juice"
07 Korgis: "Everybody's Gotta Learn Sometimes"
08 Midnight Juggernauts: "Ending of an Era"
09 The Paradise: "In Love With You [ft. Romauld]"
10 Justice: "TTHHEE PPAARRTTYY (Acapella)"
11 Chic: "Everybody Dance"
12 Frankie Valli: "Who Loves You"
13 Das Pop: "Underground"
14 Julien Clerc: "Quand Je Joue"
15 Daniel Balavoine: "Vivre Ou Survivre"
16 Richard Sanderson: "Reality"
17 Zoot Woman: "Grey Day"
18 Fucking Champs: "Thor Is Like Immortal"
19 The Rave: "Mother"
20 Fancy: "You Never Know"
21 Frank Stallone: "Far From Over"
22 Sheila: "Misery"
23 Todd Rundgren: "International Feel""

http://www.pitchforkmedia.com/article/news/47818-justice-announce-world-tour-dates-with-diplo

Rumour is that it was rejected because royalties would simply be too high. But i can't help but think that it was just plain rejected.

That's too bad. I was saving a slot next to Justice in my racks for this. :(

But -- royalties argument aside -- putting myself in Fabric's POV, I can KINDA see how this mix falls a bit away from the consistency of the series. Maybe.

If this *is* indeed a great mix, tempo, momentum and all, and Fabric is rejecting it because "*rolls eyes* Frank Stallone? Fucking Champs? Who do you think we ARE? Some amateur podcast? *snivel snivel*" then FUCK FABRIC.

However, if this is more like a Back To Mine or Late Night Tales type of mix i.e. just a bunch of Justice's favorite tunes segued together, then it makes sense why Fabric wouldn't be keen on this, and rightfully so. However uncool it is to say it, Fabric does have a reputation to uphold, as far as the mechanics and consistency of their series, and if someone really famous submits a mix that falls short of technical requirements, then it shouldn't be released.

But, yeah, sounds like it might be a royalties thing. Rundgren? Valli? Chic? Great artists, but they're likely wanting to get something out of this.

there's a Chic song on the james murphy fabric though

10 Justice: "TTHHEE PPAARRTTYY (Acapella)"

this is the only Justice song I really can't stand, the rest of their album was pretty good

that mix looks like the tits

titsworthy

any chance they're playing the THEATER at madison square garden? It's MUCH smaller.

looks like they are playing the main MSG

http://www.ticketmaster.com/event/1D003F9DD599750F

way too fucking big for them, esp. at $50 / $60 a ticket

Interpol only got the Garden half full last year I heard

licensing current stuff is much easer/cheaper then older stuff, and when dealing with older stuff, it depends on how much. You have to figure maybe it's possible to license one or two tracks but several mainstream/major label releases that are 20 years old it becomes near impossible. I don't know what the ratio is on other Fabric mixes, but that might have a lot to do with it.

xpost...LCD were boring in Coachella. Soulwax slayed, but Justice were still the best. Plus, the mix was very poor during LCD.

i don't really understand the point of comparing LCD and justice live -- LCD is, like, a rock band.

I'm seeing Justice next month! I really like the album, cut up fun disco nonsense, what's not to like? (yes, I've read the Justice thread, and I can see that's there's plenty to not like!) WIll have to go some to be better than LCD tho, who I saw at Leeds festival and rocked the party.

But yeh, silly comparison. LCD weren't as good as Dinosaur JR either.

I don't buy the "they're not ready for something like this" line considering Fabric were even willing to put out the Spank Rock Fabriclive mix.

i don't really understand the point of comparing LCD and justice live -- LCD is, like, a rock band.

who gives a shit if they're a band or djs or whatever!

my point, and apparently i'm in the minority opinion here, is they are both were both on the same stage at coachella this year and i had a much better time dancing my ass off to the LCD -=band=-.

badly eq'd herky jerky filter house with 32 bar breakdowns down every couple minutes so everyone can do the \../ metal horns just wasn't doing it for me.

Well, different people like different things, but I will agree that LCD were great at Coachella and that Justice weren't that great. That said, the Justice shows I've seen since have been simply overwhelming.

The rejected Fabric mix is up on a number of places:
http://www.urb.com/podcasts/

It is really really good.

this new surkin track is :D

'white knights two'

OMG, that Surkin track *is* incredible.

woha that mix has das pop. WTF

Wait til you the hear the rest of it. It's WTF in the best possible way.

OK, now that I'm hearing this mix, I can't imagine this mix did NOT get released. Someone will probably pay !K7, DJ Kicks or any mix label to release this, royalties and all.

I said it before, and I'll say it again

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v321/AbXy6001/badmusic.jpg

Then again, when you begin a set with "Tryouts For The Human Race", you know what the fuck you're doing.

Though annoying, that actually inspired me a bit when I made the image for the urb site:

http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j53/spencermfi/justice_fabric.jpg

Awesome. Now I have an image for the mix in the 'Pod! :D

Listening to the mix is a bit of a revelation because, while it makes all the sense in the world in retrospect, it never dawned on me how much an influence Queen might have been on not only Justice but many artists in the scene. But heavy beats, lots of somber piano driven melody lines, LOUD ROCK (or ROCK SYNTH) SOUNDS, many drop-outs followed by -- BANG -- rock explosion, soft LOUD soft... a lot of what's on Justice's mix was either influenced by Queen or peers of Queen. And it's not just the dynamics.. is the descending chords, the timbres, practically everything minus Freddie himself.

03 Goblin: "Tenebrae"

I think this is the track Justice sampled heavily from for "let there be light". Seriously, they're as bad as Daft Punk for ripping off obscure 70s music wholesale. Still, gotta love em though.

03 Goblin: "Tenebrae"

I think this is the track Justice sampled heavily from for "let there be light". Seriously, they're as bad as Daft Punk for ripping off obscure 70s music wholesale. Still, gotta love em though.

It's "Phantom," but yeah. I feel so oddly conservative saying this, but I really, really prefer the original and kinda wish they hadn't touched it. Especially odd since it's not like I have some nostalgic connection to the Goblin song, I saw that movie for the first time maybe a week before I heard the Justice song.

OMG, that Surkin track *is* incredible.

-- Spencer Chow, Friday, January 11, 2008 8:35 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Link

^^^Needs to be reiterated

Tim F. needs to hear this! its exactly the direction i want this stuff going

It could be called "Strings of Good Life".

i love this but the poppy song with the cowbell and the punky song with the girl singing at the end are hella lame.

Sheila and Das Pop?? They often play the Das Pop in their big sets which is really fun.

yeah i like 'Underground' after hearing it in their Essential Mix

Wasn't the punky girl Fancy? I was hoping it was the italodisco Fancy. It still works well in the mix, but it's my least favorite moment, I suppose.

You know, with this mix and some of the other random tracks from their sets, Justice are approaching an Avalanches level of esoteric but logical aesthetic vision.

But... Avalanches are jive bunny for hipsters, while JUSTICE are total coolness.

no, the Avalanches were ok for one listen, and Justice just suck.

you need to check that DVNO video if you haven't already

xpost
Tom, it's amazing how diametrically opposed we are on some things!

Justice sucks and anyone who disagrees is a douchebag.

The one car ad that's using Justice now has it right - about six seconds of these guys is all you need for anything

Haha, on the money!

Hate Hate Hate!

Also Tombot, have you heard the rest of "Genesis"??? It's INCREDIBLE!

it's more the LOVE LOVE LOVE that confuses me... Justice are and can be really great but it's no more than 50% of the time tops and god, there's so much filler around it....

A bit like Crystal Castles I can totally see why people go gaga based on the undeniably trescool imagery but listen to the music over an album length and you're like... eh? WHY pad it out with such overplayed (but not if you weren't there the first time...) pastiches of 80s keyboard pop/halfhearted french house. Why not just go all the way out with the actually interesting stuff? It's baffling.

I am intrigued why people are so viscerally anti- them though. It feels more of an ideological stance than musical... anyway, they have me half on board.

i like any song w/singing kids in - that is my stance

oh, I fucking hate D.A.N.C.E. fwiw.

Genesis isn't incredible, it's gimmicky and annoying.

D.A.N.C.E. is more gimmicky and annoying than the entire rest of the album

why is gimmicky a problem?

jhøshea you would not like 'There's No-One Quite Like Grandma', i'm betting

I'll probaly end up liking Justie three or four years from now when dance music has gotten so much worse that they seem worthwhile, just like I did with the chemical bros and shit

jesus what happened to my typing

gimmickry is not a problem in and of itself but when it is used to hide a lack of substantive ideas, by which I mean inability to write a fucking bassline, it's crap, and should not be hyped

i'd probably say something like that about all the dance music i dislike too

I should make a stencil and get some spraypaint

Now Listening: Underworld - Dubnobasswithmyheadman

ugh underworld

to be fair if i'd listened to as much video game music as you dudes have i'd probably hate justice too

gimmickry is not a problem in and of itself but when it is used to hide a lack of substantive ideas, by which I mean inability to write a fucking bassline, it's crap, and should not be hyped

-- El Tomboto, Saturday, April 12, 2008 6:26 PM (10 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

for a second i thought i was gonna make a photoshop spraypaint brick wall type scenario w/this then i realized no no youre not you got a lot of exercise today how about nice disco nap

Wha?? The bassline in "Genesis" is amazing!

to be fair if i'd listened to as much video game music as you dudes have i'd probably hate justice too

-- balls, Saturday, April 12, 2008 6:35 PM (16 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

gangster zing. every time tombot gets fresh with me i just remember he owns final fantasy soundtracks

justice katamari remixes are insane

if i didnt like justice already id start liking them because people who dislike them are more annoying about it than people who do like them

Yes, but naturally they're only annoying because you already like Justice.

I like them a lot.. part of it I suppose is being heavily biased in favor of most French music & dance music in particular. what else is going on in Paris lately?

http://pages.prodigy.net/stevesoares/photos/mime.jpg

I am intrigued why people are so viscerally anti- them though. It feels more of an ideological stance than musical... anyway, they have me half on board.

-- fandango,

I think it's the alliance in their fandom between French and Yank. It's like Jay-Z and R Kelly doing that album but the opposite. But still shite.

i can't imagine anyone that likes funk music not liking justice. these guys arnt faking it. they are the real deal.

wat

I don't think they're joking or something I just don't like it.

I don't care if they're realer than J-lo featuring jah rule.

i just heard the new Midfield General single and he is totally biting their style haw

DEE VEE EN OH, FOURRR CAP-I-TUL LEDDERS!!

i just heard the new Midfield General single and he is totally biting their style haw

-- blueski, Sunday, April 13, 2008 1:21 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

r u trying to zing me brah?

There is something a bit big-beaty about these guys. Got four or five really good tunes, tho.

why the 'tho' at the end there

Wasn't really into Big Beat much, the genre had four or five really good tunes, tho.

i do not understand the hate

the only song on the album i don't like is that uffie track. barf.

The only thing I really enjoy by Justice is "We Are Your Friends," because somehow they took this really boring shitfuck song and turned it into something exciting and catchy. Their other songs simply do not hold up after I hear them a few times.

The answer to the original question is "yes"

(haha luv to ya Ronan if you're still reading this board, but I vowed from now on that if anyone asks a "Am I the only one who" question, I'm just going to say "yes you are".)

justice is so poop it makes fat boy slim records actually sound good to me.

The only thing I really enjoy by Justice is "We Are Your Friends," because somehow they took this really boring shitfuck song and turned it into something exciting and catchy. Their other songs simply do not hold up after I hear them a few times.

-- billstevejim, Tuesday, April 15, 2008 3:27 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Link

YES

ok fuck "genesis" in that escalade commercial for real ugh ugh ugh crap crap CRAAAAAP

ok fuck "genesis" in that escalade commercial for real ugh ugh ugh crap crap CRAAAAAP

justice is so poop it makes fat boy slim records actually sound good to me.

-- pipecock, Monday, April 14, 2008 9:13 PM (2 weeks ago) Bookmark Link

http://www.kevininscoe.com/pub/lol.jpg

I like them when the come on the radio! It all sounds sort of cheap and hastily put together. It could maybe actually be even wackier, if they wanted to be truly great.

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x58z2a_justicestress_music

I am not sure if that video is awesome or RONG.

it's a great video imo but i don't know the first thing about justice or their music

i like D.A.N.C.E. but i would, i like junior senior too

im with fandango on this. i cant stand 'dance' or 'we are your friends,' tho.

i think the stuff that bothers me about a lot of this stuff is the feeling that the ppl who make it dont actually enjoy dancing to it??? which is fine, if moshing is yr thing, but it doesnt really work for me as 'dance music'

that is nonsense, sorry dude. how the hell do you get that from the music

Justice is garbage. the only one of these groups that are worth a shit is Boys Noize. nice guy, good and varied live sets, and know his shit. all these other fools are fools.

man, i think i'm still drunk from last night. sorry.

I'm surprisingly okay with the idea of faux-dance music.

kinda can't believe this debate is still raging.

that is nonsense, sorry dude. how the hell do you get that from the music

-- s1ocki, Friday, May 2, 2008 12:55 PM (42 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

because the groove are all awkward and not particularly evocative in any way? its not a criticism of it as music, not a negative value judgement, it just doesnt seem to be designed by ppl who like 'serious' dancing. which i guess is part of why some ppl really like it, 'lol I hate serious dancing wtf is that!!!' but i dont mean serious as in I AM IN A SERIOUS MOOD, just like, this groove is a lot of fun to dance to.

some of this stuff is fun to listen to but it never particularly hits me as BAM AMAZING DANCE GROOVE its more like BAM AMAZING CATCHY SONG

i dont know if im explaining this well

i mean i feel this way about lots of individual songs that are part of the 'dance canon' too - and context can really change the way people dance to something. This 'kind' of stuff (ed banger etc) just seems to have a higher hit rate of songs that dont seem particularly designed towards a variety of dance grooves, its more like the appeal comes from the abrasive grind.

'Windowlicker'

i mean are you feeling that it's just not... i dunno, funky enough? totally fair enough. but i think ppl do dig dancing to it, it's just as 'real' as any other kind of dance music. honestly i first reacted badly to it until i heard it out and saw ppl go off to it and went off to it myself and hten i was like o ya, this.

im really not trying to turn this into a 'real' dance vs. 'fake' dance thing at all - im trying to explain purely on a functional, nuts&bolts level why this works 'differently' than other dance music im really into.

im also talking in really broad terms about stuff that really is a case-by-case basis thing but i think its an issue of how much emphasis there is on midrange while its usually the bass that drives the hips.

i think simian mobile disco do a good job w/ grooves. and speaking in blanket terms about a lot of this stuff is unfair

'its the beat' is a jam btw

Some of Justice songs are danceable, but I don't really think of them as dance music - even if they call one of their songs "D.A.N.C.E." It's more like electro.

crucial distinction.

sl0cki otm, although I think I know what deej is getting at.. maybe. Justice is certainly dance-able, but -- say -- you're ask to play dance music at a house party or at some night club and they just ask for "just play good music to DANCE to!". Then Justice would more likely than not clear the floor.

I love Justice, but they do pretty much cater to a certain type of dance crowd that, dare I say, didn't grow up on dance music.

Again, Ed Banger = Giorgio Moroder + Black Sabbath.

I stress that's a generalization, tho. I know plenty of old skool techno heads who really like Justice as well. But the momentum of their popularity came moreso from rock kids and not as much dj types than how other acts became popular.

But Black Sabbath is VERY danceable!!! </chuck eddy>

(luvs to you, chuck)

Ed Banger = SHIT

Giorgio Moroder + Black Sabbath

this looks SO AWESOME though....very little Ed Banger has really approached this level.

I mean maybe I'm begging the question by calling them "electro" rather than "dance". You could be justified in asking, then, what's the point of "electro" if you can't dance to it? But then, what's the point of any music that you can't dance to? I don't think they're getting over on their amazing grooves for dancing to - I think it's more like: Hey this rocks out! And the synth sounds are kind of cool! Catchy riffs too!

ed banger is terrible

yeah i cant really think of much by them ive liked

i will rep for 90% of that SMD album tho for real

yeah i don't believe in that distinction at all...Justice is music made to dance to, it might not be "dance" the genre but that's only one type of music for dancing

yeah i don't believe in that distinction at all...Justice is music made to dance to, it might not be "dance" the genre but that's only one type of music for dancing

-- PoMXII, Friday, May 2, 2008 2:14 PM (47 seconds ago) Bookmark Link

this isnt a dance vs dahnce argument

Sure, I agree, and like I said above, many of their songs would probably be fine to dance to (not that I've tried).

xpost

yeah thats the thing i think, dance to what you want - justice is an artist that, if i were DJing to a crowd of ppl unfamiliar with justice, i would not drop records by, because people who dont already have some appreciation for justice are probably not gonna feel like compulsively hitting the floor, whereas you can drop some obscure/less known music (in lots of different genres) that naturally embrace a kind of common groove that people find ideal for dancing, even if they are unfamiliar w/ the music previously.

its not like you CANT dance to justice, or that it isnt good for dancing; it just has certain limitations.

i think part of my prob is trying to explain this earlier was from the perspective of the dancer rather than the DJ

Sabbath totally should have had Moroder produce an album....I can't get that combo out of my head right now

(and DJs can MAKE ppl 'feel' Justice thru context - sticking it in between songs they know or songs with really danceable grooves and then going 'punk rock' w/ justice or whatever - your basically burning some audience good will with it, tho)

I kinda wished Justice never made "D.A.N.C.E." and just led off with "DVNO" from the get-go. "DVNO" is easily the best song on the album.

lots and lots of people including girls who would never in a million years know what an Ed Banger is hit the floor when DANCE comes on........

im actually cool with 'waters of nazereth' also, if only cuz it sounds like the most successful embrace of their own sound. DVNO is great but the influences are more apparent, or something

where are these dance crowds who have never heard justice xxp

PoMXII, if you can layer more analog synths and drum machines and vocoded singing on top of the second half of Sabotage, you'll get pretty close. I mean, "The Thrill of it all" is begging for a 4/4 dance cover, at least the second half of the track.

where are these dance crowds who have never heard justice xxp

-- s1ocki, Friday, May 2, 2008 2:21 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Link

lol hipster :D

everyone that knows it and likes it dances to it when they hear it cuz they know it and like it!! but thats not a property of the music itself

deej, would you say the same for the most recent Daft Punk? (i would)

you mean like stuff on robot rock?

or Human After All, yes

its been awhile since i listened but probably. i like that album but aside from 'technologic' (which def has a more straightforward groove) i never really danced to any of it

w/ justice i kinda think a huge part of its cachet basically is that it refuses to groove sometimes. its rebelling! im not saying thats uninteresting conceptually, its just uninteresting to me 'on the floor' a lot of times. im loyal to that house boom boom boom boom

everyone that knows it and likes it dances to it when they hear it cuz they know it and like it!! but thats not a property of the music itself

-- deej, Friday, May 2, 2008 7:24 PM (16 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

yes but they like it, and that has to do with the properties of hte music itself!!

you can't disprove dancing!

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yes but they like it, and that has to do with the properties of hte music itself!!

-- s1ocki, Friday, May 2, 2008 2:41 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Link

yah but im saying that its dancegrooveability is not one of those things!!

i feel like youve gotta acknowledge that its attempting to be anti-groove to even acknowledge what its going for

kinda can't believe this debate is still raging.

-- s1ocki, Friday, May 2, 2008 6:29 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Link

^^ completely

they are the punk rock of dance music, and part of their rebellion is like 'fuck a dance groove - we're too cool for that shit.' im not saying its a legit reason to dislike them on principle but it is a reason to say 'you know what, they don't really groove the way dance music generally does'

i dont really think im a part of the 'debate' going on upthread, this is meta commentary on that debate

you can put scare quotes around 'punk rock of dance music' cuz im not entirely serious about that

ok ok ok. I mean, that goes for about a ton of electronic dance artists in the 80s, 90s, and 2000s though. Does this mean I can talk about Renegade Soundwave now?

no.

but i don't think it's ANTI-danceable by any stretch

my dislike of justice is PURELY for reasons of sound. that screechy treble annoys the hell out of me. it hurts my teeth. i can't even imagine hearing it loud in a club. i would kill myself. same with noize boyz and whatever the hell that new one was i got recently. the group with the annoying name. so, i guess in some sense these dudes are punk rock cause they are irritating and punks are supposed to irritate people. and they are way more irritating to me than actual noise music or gabber or dhc stuff or whatever.

YAHHH DESTROY TWO THOUSAND YEARS OF CULTURE YAHHH

i am pro whatever makes tom irrationally angry

up with people

we are totally set up for a DHR revival aren't we.

:(

has anybody combined DHR with ringtones yet? or did I just describe the worst of dubstep volume 14 or whatever

sorry, I meant best of dubstep

these guys are worse than the free credit report dot com jingles

2 Justices 1 Tombot

dvno is great, not too fussed by anything else they've done.

ok i finally heard them~

i totally get them but i'm also really tired of this kind of dance music at this point so this cd just elicited a giant shrug from me.

From Pitchfork's interview with Saint Etienne today, and found it hilarious and oh! so true:

Pitchfork: You guys have always been, probably because of your history as a music writer, considered a conceptual band. Is that a fair statement?

BS: Well, we're conceptual in as much as we want each album to sound like a complete album, I suppose. I think, hopefully we managed that.

Pitchfork: Part of it is probably a bias, especially back then that you guys weren't four or five people playing more organic instruments, working through things in rehearsal--

BS: Yeah, I've always thought it was a positive for us that we aren't an organic group with five members, where the bassist wants to do his song on the album or whatever. We've been able to chop and change our sound whenever we wanted. You know, because we're not proper musicians. I read an interview with Justice the other day, and they were talking about, "It's not about playing instruments, it's about having ideas," and I think that's obviously pretty much what we think as well. Having the right ideas is a different matter (laughs).

good posts from deej on this thread no sarcasmo

they were in that soulwax doc. (-> god knows why I watched it, probably some fucked up masochistic trip)

tapping foot for Justice Mk 2. Not interested in live album. † and all was fun, but really, ready for brand new material, plz.

their own remix of DVNO really sucks imo. even i found that one pretty much unlistenable.

It's not about playing instruments, it's about having ideas," and I think that's obviously pretty much what we think as well. Having the right ideas is a different matter (laughs).

This makes so much sense considering Justice come from a design background.