Were the Grammys on?

Local paper ran a pic of India.Arie, with a caption noting that she DIDN'T win. Hands empty, meekly waving at the throng of reporters, but happy, I'd guess. I'd rather see pics of that than of, say, Santana filling a wheelbarrow with little gramophones.

Actually, I'd rather see Amy Fisher box Tonya Harding.

The whole idea of cool Grammies is funny. Maybe they should have an awards show called the Coolies where musical stars are rated based on their perceived coolness factor. The Academy thinks Bono is the COOLEST, daddy-o!

EVIL MAN.

To divert the thread back towards its original course, congrats to Joshua Bell.

HA HA.

seeing people say on twitter the grammys performances have all been great this year & there hasn't been any other nonsense? what is going on?

also what's going on with the categories, when did they separate out melodic rap performance as its own thing, is that new this year? and the way the r&b categories are divided now seems pretty weird, who says 'progressive r&b'?

also love that they're still doing their classic thing of giving awards to artists for mediocre works decades after their commercial & critical peaks but this time it's like, nas & the strokes

John Prine won two grammys posthumously, that was cool.

xxp Me, from another thread:

When asked “what’s your favorite thing to listen to?,” I respond: albums containing at least 51% playing time of newly recorded progressive vocal tracks derivative of R&B.

Noticing that Big Thief’s “Not” (which feels a million years old) was up for an award drove home how loopy the “Sept. 1 – Aug. 31” eligibility period is. An album or song that comes out in September 202x won’t show up at the telecast until *18 months* later (March 202x+2). That’s just crazy, especially given the speed of things today. Why don’t they just make it the calendar year??

That said, I guess this gives Taylor two potential AOTY wins spread out over two years.

i think ideally there would be an award for every genre on everynoise, which would exclude progressive r&b though

Pretty sad and a bit chilling to see Toots Hibbert, John Prine and Chick Corea (maybe more) all win posthumous Grammy's after dying this past year.

The Replacements' Dead Man's Pop reissue got one for historical liner notes - they've been nominated before but I think this is the first time one of their releases picked up a trophy.

That mega-$$$ Wilco special edition, which we were all clowning on, ended up winning for “best package” or something.

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Re the former Grammy world music category now called global music

“It seems the surest way to win in the category is to have won before. Some 23 of 37 winners have won a Grammy previously, including each winner of the past eight years during which time Angélique Kidjo won three times

it's crazy that awards shows still require cable. or in this case paramount+ in the states, which has star trek and fuck all else. it's promotion -- put that shit online for free!

The main part of the Grammys was on CBS in US, that I thought one could see without a fancy cable subscription?

Bill Burr the GOAT Lolol
Rare comedian that will joke about stuff like this pic.twitter.com/Aq5dzKva0E

— Tmo (@_ThomasT) March 14, 2021

congratulations on being edgy Mr Burr. you really showed em

i watched part of it on broadcast - cbs - just with bunny ears

xp lol Bill you're not going to get kicked off the Mandalorian with weak anti-woke mad libs mumbling

calling that a "joke" is really being generous

there hasn't been any other nonsense

the whole things was 3.5 hours long, there was plenty of nonsense.

mostly performances though, which is as it should be

Saw a minute of it (my kid got a free trial of whatever service to stream it). I kind of liked the battle of the band look of each act standing around watching the other perform, but at times I also got late '70s/early '80s Solid Gold vibes from the whole tacky affair. I find the antiseptic "live" performances in front of no one even more strangely artificial than ever.

fwiw I think Bill Burr is generally kinda funny but yeah there's no joke there and it's kind of pathetic seeing so many Twitter edgelords revel in the fact that he "offended" a bunch of feminists when in reality I don't think a single person is complaining about it

For those who care, a Billboard analysis of how this year’s elimination of the “nomination review committees”—originally put in place back in 1995, in an effort to make nominations more reflective of current trends—may have impacted the 2022 noms.

Decades of crazy selections

And omissions

Abba gets first nomination for their comeback release decades after their prime:

ABBA’s record of the year nomination for “I Still Have Faith in You” is a shocker. For one thing, the group had never previously been nominated for a Grammy in any category, though its masterminds Benny Andersson and Bjorn Ulvaeus were nominated individually for their work on the Mamma Mia soundtrack (Andersson) and the Chess musical cast album (both of them).

Sounds like ABBA (and others) were late additions (thanks to last-minute expansions).

didn't marilyn manson just get nominated for something this year, post-allegations?

gonna go ahead and continue thinking my thought, which is that the grammys (and all similar organizations) should be burned to the ground and any remains placed into the memory hole.

genuinely reprehensible. fucking deplorable.

That wouldn’t place Kanye in the memory hole (he’s the reason MM is on a list of names). Ironically, if those review committees had still be in place, they potentially could’ve vetoed Donda.

(… although it’s interesting that that last minute expansion of the AOTY nominees from 8 to 10 is what allowed Donda to sneak in)

The Grammys are useful to me in that they provide a roadmap of what buffoonery I can expect of the Oscars about five years ahead of time.

im glad donda is present

Personally, I’m glad Evermore is present (it apparently snuck in along with Donda, I’mma let you finish, when the AOTY category was expanded from 8 to 10 nominees).

I’m sure many folks are tired of Swift getting Grammy nods—but I think Evermore is not only her best album, but one that (in a way) stands apart from the rest of her catalog, and sets a standard for how good a contemporary album in that style can be. It’s a terrific album that deserves a nomination (and if frickin’ Doja Cat can make it in…).

you think Evermore is better than Folklore?

Yeah, for sure. I’ve warmed to Folklore a bit over time, but I only really like a few of the songs. I find it hard to get through.

That “donda” nom for AOTY would irk me if it had any chance of being the winner over Olivia Rodrigo.

I don’t think Olivia will win that one

https://variety.com/2021/music/news/drake-withdraws-2021-grammy-nominations-1235127358/

how soon before this becomes more and more common?

Apparently Marilyn Manson got withdrawn on a technicality or something?

i'm sure they are trying to find whatever reasons to get him off the list

but more and more it's like what's the upside for drake? he's so dominant in the industry, what does a grammy mean to him?

Jon Batiste- big winner

Also, some folks not happy with SOJA (White & Hispanic reggae band from Virginia suburbs of DC) winning best reggae album over Spice, Sean Paul, Jesse Royal, Gramps Morgan, Etana

https://www.revolt.tv/article/2022-04-03/160919/soja-takes-home-best-reggae-album/

Best rock performance
Making a Fire, Foo Fighters.

Best rock album
Medicine at Midnight, Foo Fighters.

Best rock song
Waiting on a War, Foo Fighters.

Will admit I didn't hear the entire album but are people seriously excited by these?

I mean, look at what they were up against. Was there anything to be excited about here?

Best Rock Performance
"Shot in the Dark," AC/DC
"Know You Better (Live from Capitol Studio A)," Black Pumas
"Nothing Compares 2 U," Chris Cornell
"OHMS," Deftones
"Making a Fire," Foo Fighters *WINNER

Best Rock Song
"All My Favorite Songs," Weezer
"The Bandit," Kings of Leon
"Distance," Mammoth WVH
"Find My Way," Paul McCartney
"Waiting on a War," Foo Fighters *WINNER

Best Rock Album
"Power Up", AC/DC
"Capitol Cuts- Live From Studio A," Black Pumas
"No One Sings Like You Anymore, Vol. 1," Chris Cornell
"Medicine at Midnight," Foo Fighters *WINNER
"McCartney III," Paul McCartney

I will say that Making a Fire is one of the least worst Foo Fighters songs I've heard in the past 20 years. Not saying I'd listen to it twice, but it wasn't terrible once.

Who are these dues paying “members of the academy “ that vote for the Grammys. Read elsewhere that there’s 12,000 members.

Will admit I didn't hear the entire album but are people seriously excited by these?

it's the grammys, of course not. this is how it always is

I wasn’t even aware of Jon Batiste until last night. My bad, I guess

Chris Richards in Washington Post in pre-Grammys writeup--

“We Are” wants to be for everyone. Jon Batiste is a familiar face, a crowd-pleaser famous for jazzing up the “The Late Show With Stephen Colbert,” as well as one of the most prominent pianists in his field. Here, after performing protest concerts against police violence and voter suppression in 2020, he’s siphoned his politics through a big-tent sound that involves the New Orleans jazz he was raised playing, firm gusts of Stevie Wonder-ish melody, lots of hip-hop flash, a little marching band thunder and more. Lyrically and musically, “We Are” delivers its righteous, pro-justice ideals in energetic, frictionless ways. It is power-to-the-people music that the people can listen to at brunch.

Power Up was good!

he is to Stevie what Bruno Mars is to Prince

dude can definitely play though

I do agree that "Making a Fire" is not terrible as these things go btw but "Waiting on a War" has negative value.

Bonnie Raitt "Just Like That" won song of the year. Bonnie was surprised.

Bad Bunny performance of “Despues De La Playa,” with its mambo/merenegue aspects was fun as he had plena percussionists, dancers, and a band too. 50th anniversary of hiphop performance (supposedly curated by Questlove who was on drums) had lots of participants and was also fun but there was no Doug E Fresh, Slick Rick, Nas or Snoop

I am just catching up but I want to send a hopeful tacheon telegram back to the 1980s/90s, because Grammy winners included Bonnie Raitt, Ozzy Osbourne, Willie Nelson, and Aaron Neville.

Collaborations that were nominated or won included Edgar Winter, Nile Rogers, Stewart Copeland, ABBA, Diana Ross, Red Hot Chili Peppers, Lyle Lovett, Mel Brooks, Robert Plant, Elvis Costello, Mary J. Blige, Reba McEntire, Steve Gadd, and Dolly Parton, Malcolm Jamal Warner, and Harold Faltermyer, Neil Young.

Pretty good night for the late 20th century, going by that (highly cherry-picked) list.

My teenage self wouldn't know what a doja cat is, or a bad bunny, but he knew most of those names and wouldn't be surprised to find they were active participants in the music scene of 2023.

Bonnie Raitt "Just Like That" won song of the year. Bonnie was surprised.

― curmudgeon

I didn't watch them, but when I saw a couple clips this morning I thought Harry Styles isn't good enough an actor to fake his astonishment.

Unless I missed it, there wasn't a single cutaway to Beyonce after she lost album of the year again. Brutal

Meaningless Grammy Awards

More here

The Grateful Dead won their first ever Grammy in a competitive category (Best Boxed or Special Limited Edition Package)!

If you count their 2007 Lifetime Achievement Grammy, they are now tied for Grammys with Wet Leg 🥰

Beyoncé won best dance/electronic music album for RENAISSANCE during the 65th Grammy Awards in Los Angeles Sunday. The prize gave her 32 Grammys, the most of any artist in the awards' history.

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"unknown blues singer" - great find

Hey, Raitt! I got a news complaint

I remember some believing that AOTY winner Nick of Time benefitted from the other nominees splitting their votes (the Traveling Wilburys album and Tom Petty's Full Moon Fever were favorites, and on top of that you have a Don Henley album that greatly benefitted from some of Petty's Heartbreakers). I guess the same thing happened this time around.

(less similar this time around, but maybe they split the "younger" votes while the middle-aged and above became a rock solid voting bloc)

I just think the 10 nominees thing now means the top winners are more of a crap shoot than ever before

i noticed that gangsta boo didn't make the in memoriam, were there any other notable slights?

According toRS:

it felt particularly egregious to overlook Three 6 Mafia’s Gangsta Boo and Low singer/drummer Mimi Parker — two hugely important, dearly beloved artists who apparently didn’t merit a mention. If that wasn’t bad enough, they also left out Aaron Carter, Procul Harum’s Gary Brooker, Sixties folk singer/songwriter Bobby Neuwirth, singer Lucy Simon, Nazareth frontman Dan McCafferty, and drummer Alan White, who played in both Yes and John Lennon’s Plastic Ono Band. The guy played on friggin’ “Imagine.” Like everyone else listed here, he deserved a special Grammy moment.

(I recall Mimi Parker was included in the RRHOF Induction Ceremony's "In Memoriam" segment... so the Grammys apparently didn't even think to at least reference that as a starting point.)

(or, even worse, decided she didn't make the cut)

Anyone pregaming(?)

Most of my favorites are being shut out in the early awards… though I will note that Grammys have gone to ILM faves “Padam Padam”; Tyla (“Water”); and Wet Leg (for remixing a Depeche Mode song)

Ugh, boygenius won Best Rock Song…

Dry Cleaning won best recording package for Stumpwork

Boo, Louis Cole lost his bid in alternative jazz

xxpost Oh no, girls stealing awards from real rock groups like Arctic Monkeys and Foo Fighters

I was rooting for Olivia, but go off. “Not Strong Enuff” is barely a rock song, by any measure

also it sucks

I fondly remember the days when ILM rightly didn't give a shit about this nonsense

When was that, exactly?

Whose over-the-top Grammy performance will make the least sense this year?

So, the Grammy nominations...

I know you are all too damn cool for the 2005 Grammy Awards; but don't you think they deserve a little thread action anyway?

I joined in 2006. Don't remember much Grammy chat before the late 10s.

But idk I'm the Grinch, enjoy your silly awards show

lol Dry Cleaning what?

yeah wait are the Grammies good now lol

the Academy doesn't like good music but they love pubes

Molly Tuttle rightfully won best bluegrass album in a year with a lot of great bluegrass albums.

She might front the best band on the planet right now.

Tracy Chapman looks/sounds great playing “Fast Car” w Luke Combs

Kill Bill performance was pretty cool, but I’ve never gotten into the song

Awesome “Vampire”!

that Tracy Chapman / Luke Combs performance was terrific.

Midnights… godammit

that Tracy Chapman / Luke Combs performance was terrific.

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they sounded very nice together

new Taylor Swift album in April called The Tortured Poets Department

Reaction shots of Olivia Rodrigo and Ed Sheehan suggest they're not amused.

guessing it's another Antonoff/Dessner-produced album based on that lol title

I'm not watching, but apparently Killer Mike just got arrested and escorted out of the Grammy's for something unrelated to the awards ceremony.

Cool to hear "Makeba" by Jain in a commercial. Hell yeah!

Whoa -- Annie Lennox singing "Nothing Compares 2 U."

Reaction shots of Olivia Rodrigo and Ed Sheehan suggest they're not amused.

Honestly, Miley too… maybe I’m projecting, but I feel like they were all “wtf is this shit” with her big “announcement”

With Wendy and Lisa

Annie Lennox calling for a ceasefire, absolute queen shit right there

(bar is low, I know)

yep

wow, I loved that Tracy Chapman-Luke Combs duet.

Watching on delay and to provide a slightly different take...

Tracy Chapman and Luke Combs was ok, i sort of wish it was only Tracy as they featured Luke too much

SZA with killing men was over the top

Billie Eilish is a star and very deserving

Still not a fan of Miley Cyrus

This Jay-Z speech is … quite a ride

The Jay-Z speech was fun. Also, this Joni Mitchell performance was really good.

everything i hear about this grammys suggests they finally put on a good show, after... idk can anyone remember a good grammys

Didn’t they do the 50 Years of Hip-Hop medley last year?

Joni Mitchell stole the show

Absolutely stunning

Love seeing Burna Boy, although I was really hoping for a Tems guest appearance

idk can anyone remember a good grammys

wasn't there one a few years ago that people didn't hate

Miley and Taylor winning back to back like grizzled gunslingers. I liked Taylor dragging LDR up with her.

Olivia and Lana both shut out… how lame.

as the kids like to say that was pretty damn mid. and boring. and fake like trevor noah's fake smile. surprised they didn't all sing american pie and hey jude at the end. its official. america sucks. some serious attempts at tearjerking too. nice try, annie lennox. it would have been way cooler if stevie wonder had done a duet with jimmy buffett.

new billy joel song is one of the worst songs i have ever heard

(travis and dua and miley and sza and poor poor fantasia were so zzzzzzzzzzz.....where's the k-pop when you need it....)

The Billy Joel song was terrible, yeah.

I tuned in late so I just went back and rewatched all three boygenius acceptance speeches, all delightful. What was the last band that made being in a band look like so much fun? Peak Sleater-Kinney maybe.

boygenius showed up in a lot of the shots when others won, appearing really thrilled for everyone.

Joni great, Tracey Chapman great. SZA great. Dua Lipa: pretty great. Travis Scott; terrible and why did he get to do three songs? fantasia tribute to Tina: she did her best but no one else brings that energy. Got very tired of director choosing to cut to Taylor all the time, I guess that’s how NFL people feel. Sit down; I know she’s trying to show support for people but it winds up appearing like she’s trying to get attention.

I went to bed at 10 p.m., so I missed the rest of the hijinks. I guess I'm happy Victoria Monét won Best New Artist.

Beatles "I'm Only Sleeping" wins best video?

Clearly setting the table for "Now & Then" sweeping next year.

It's a new animated video released in late '22 to promote the Revolver box:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5XwXliCK19Y

"I'm Only Sweeping"

I know she’s trying to show support for people but it winds up appearing like she’s trying to get attention.

... you don't think

Nah, it couldn't be that someone who used her acceptance speech to robotically announce the launch date for her next album, timed perfectly to her social media accounts, could just be trying to get attention, could it?

Of course not. She does everything for altruistic reasons.

when they showed her standing there in the crowd it never looked like she was singing the right words to all her favorite songs.

Which is exactly what you'd expect from a Pentagon asset, c'mon you guys it's so clear.

the ouroboros of grammy: taytay gets given aoty purely so she can announce her next album in her acceptance speech. good job well done everyone we won

Joni Mitchell stole the show

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she sounded truly fantastic. no chance she goes on any kind of real tour but i'm gonna have to make my way to the west coast to see her in the near future

From being the gov't plant who is going to brainwash Bud Light-boycotting America to vote against Donald Trump to breaking Stevie/Paul/Frank's record for most AOTY wins. I'm truly getting allegiance whiplash

Joni was great, even knowing she could still deliver it from the Newport videos

do we know if Joni is playing anywhere other than the Hollywood Bowl?

taytay gets given aoty purely so she can announce her next album in her acceptance speech. good job well done everyone we won

That's not the order in which it happened.

didn't feel like lana needed the pity walk either! thanks a lot, "friend".

i think i was just in a bad mood when i watched last night. tracy and joni were fine legendary postage stamps. other than that it was snooze-city.

Nutbags are calling Annie Lennox a Hamas asset

yeah it was weird bringing lana up there though she did guest on the album I guess.

trevor noah has also reached unfathomable levels of annoying

Yeah, dragging Lana up there was really awkward as she clearly didn't want to be on that stage even for a second.

Apart from some great performances (Dua Lipa, Joni Mitchell, Tracy Chapman, Billie Eilish) the clear highlight of the night was Jay-Z's speech. Calling out the academy for not giving Beyonce album of the year, saying "you don't need to clap for everything", "forget about the Grammys", and some artists don't belong in the category's they're nominated in was really fun to watch. I bet they regret bringing him up there.

And apologizing by saying when he gets nervous he "tells the truth," which is just a magnificent twist of the knife

"trevor noah has also reached unfathomable levels of annoying"

whenever he stopped saying unfunny ass-kissing stuff and just stood there with that sick fixed smile on his face...you wondered if someone was holding his family hostage.

xpost Of course he's complaining about who deserve a stupid fucking Grammy

lol Jay has beefed over dumber things than that. I liked the line about people not belonging in the category because it was a little glimmer of Hova up there, little reminder of who they were giving an award to.

Reaction shots of Beyonce during his speech prove she's got the demeanor of one of the great diplomats of our time

killer to killer

I thought it was pretty lame to give JayZ an honorary award in a year when her very good album got 100% snubbed in nominations, so I'm glad he hinted at it.

The snub was last year, when she lost AOTY to Harry Styles

oh i can't keep my years straight any more

That's not the order in which it happened.

Correct – it was after her first win that she declared her fans were responsible, and here’s a surprise for them…

It was after her AOTY win that she didn’t even bother to make eye contact w Celine Dion (or acknowledge her congratulations) and she grabbed the award out of her hands…

i personally am sad that Jay's comments have created such a distraction from the solemnity and importance of the Dr Dre Global Impact Award

aw man is Dre still impacting people?

Thought Dua Lipa was great, Joni was awesome, Billie, Tracy, and Burbank Boy as well. I don't think U2 was actually live...that almost looked like CGI. Travis Scott was a big zero. Cool to see boygenius win. Was hoping they'd sneak Mimi Parker into the memoriam but that was so unlikely.

Bono's voices sounded like they were AI-ed.

Imma let you finish

I was trying to explain the Kanye-Taylor controversy to my 9 yo this morning and it felt like giving a lecture about the Cuban Missile Crisis or something.

It still inspires me, the way JFK bravely stood up to Kanye.

Wait no

JFKanye

Would be a tidier joke. Apologies

Kanye Interrupts Speech At Grammies?

Kanye interrupting Taylor leading to her winning a fourth (and, next year, a fifth) album of the year is a true butterfly effect

Kanye goes back in time to fix his mistake out of spite and instead goes to the wrong year and accidentally interrupts Jamiroquai

It was the VMAs, just to keep you historians honest

A team of time traveling Swifties come back to stop Kayne only to find out that Taylor's VMA speech was going call for a race war

I watched the clip. I don’t like defending Taylor Swift but the internet is being overtly dramatic as usual. Yeah Lana del Rey seemed like she didn’t want to go with her and she was probably torn about her album or nominated songs not getting the deserved recognition m, but whatever they’re friends irl and Lana did participate in the album. If it weren’t for the recent rule changes she’d have won a grammy for the album too. I don’t see Taylor being terrible for bringing her along.

The Celine Dion thing is also being dramatized and Taylor was clearly overwhlemed, but it does seem like misfire for someone who is usually so calculated and in control of her image.

Still not as bad as it seems. I think there has been so much overexposure of her in the past year that backlash for any little mistake is inevitable at this point.

I seemingly agree with the losing nominees that announcing your new album during your is pretty eyeroll worthy. Just tweet the announcement after the show ffs.

Agreed, it's pointless to get mad at her for the LDR or Celine things. Get mad at her for being a bad actress trying to appear surprised that she won the award at all

Her heart will go on, I suspect

I hadn't read any commentary... are ppl saying she shouldn't have brought Lana up(?) Glad others picked up on the Celine thing, though...

Lana Del TayTay

I seemingly agree with the losing nominees that announcing your new album during your is pretty eyeroll worthy. Just tweet the announcement after the show ffs.

GO BIG OR GO HOME

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and taylor had to mention how old lana was on stage. i'm sorry, i mean call her a "legend in her prime". ouch!

xp Lol, who is that(?)

wait, does the album come out of her butt?

that's macy. from the old days.

i'm pretty forgiving w/ Taylor, but even i think announcing the album during an award speech is cringey - especially for someone at her level. can't really fault someone for whom the platform actually matters w/r/t getting the word out, but that's not her, obviously.

Yes, not to clutch pearls at violating the sanctity of the Grammy Awards, but it felt remarkably class-less

and, to Eric H.'s point, awkward. like she knew she really shouldn't / didn't want to do it.

but, of course, as WGW would say, "wgas" ultimately

I only saw the Travis Scott performance and I want apology from anyone who has ever told me the musical tastes were "annoying"

are ppl saying she shouldn't have brought Lana up(?)

lana was nominated for her own album in the category and just lost. was weird

She should release a special Target LP edition that comes with free copy of the new Lana Del Rey album.

travis scott really hates chairs

She should release a special Target LP edition that comes with free copy of the new Lana Del Rey album

There's a Tunnel, Taylor's Version

xxxp Well, yeah, I was already pissed at Lana being shut out of every category she was nommed in (unless you count, in a sideways way, Antonoff's Producer of the Year award, which I suppose covers both her and Taylor's albums... big win for the Ant-man)

Taylor just does her thing I guess, for all her industry connections she feels separate from all of it, just speaking to her fans only and no one else in the room. I have zero opinion on her really, except I hope she keeps elevating the blood pressure of the MAGAs.

It did kind of remind me of when Trump had a Huge Announcement coming and it turned out to be that he was selling NFTs

Wow a globally famous recording artist is promoting a record, yikes

I mean, what's next?

Perhaps a globally famous record label will purchase advertising

Or perhaps, at next week's sporting contest, a brand of soda might promote itself

Eek, what if a brand of BEER chooses to inform the public that their BEER is available for purchase?

Yikes

Eek

Oh wait, what if a film star appears on a talk show and just *happens* to mention that they have an upcoming film?

EEK

YIKES

And no one ever criticizes huge record labels or beer companies after all

Considering talk show appearances are expressly made for promoting a film, that wouldn't raise hackles, I agree

taylor is a huge fan of ldr, cites her constantly as an inspiration. i haven’t seen the footage obv but i think it’s clear why taylor wanted her up there

It's better than Michael Jordan inviting people to his awards ceremony only to insult them

I just re-watched her acceptance and didn't see anything wrong with the LDR praise (she didn't mention her age, contrary to what was said above? she calls her a "legacy artist" or something)

also i hate the trend of the internet reading motivations into the facial expressions of public figures. you’re telling me lana del rey looked awkward?????

Because industry awards shows are televised, people watching them get confused and think they're the audience. The industry is the audience.

also i hate the trend of the internet reading motivations into the facial expressions of public figures.

Saaaame

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any clarification yet on what exactly happened with Killer Mike that he got fully arrested? I assume some kind of fight or assault?

i heard assault on security guard, and that it was a big nothing

well i'm sure the trustworthy LAPD wouldn't exaggerate

Shortly after winning three Grammys, the rapper Killer Mike was arrested at the awards show on Sunday in connection with a physical altercation at the Los Angeles arena where the ceremony took place, the police said.

In a post on social media, the Los Angeles Police Department said that Killer Mike, who was born Michael Render, was booked on a misdemeanor battery charge and that he was being released.

Representatives for the rapper did not immediately respond to requests for comment. The Recording Academy, which presents the awards, referred questions to the police.

So basically zero reason to do this

winning best rap grammy and then getting taken away in handcuffs is a pretty baller PR move.

Mike, still killer:

Hours after he was released from police custody in Los Angeles after police said he was involved in a physical altercation on Grammys night, the rapper Killer Mike said in a radio interview Monday morning that the arrest was a mere blip in a triumphant night when he won three Grammys.

“We hit a speed bump and then we head back to the party, man,” the rapper told the hosts of the Atlanta-based Big Tigger Morning Show, saying that he had just left his final party in Los Angeles following the awards show.

I ain’t even mad because it’s pretty iconic for a rap artist to get arrested the same day you won 3 grammys.

A few thoughts, realizing I'm late to the party itt:

- Chapman/Combs duet was magnificent, and as a defender of the Combs cover from the beginning, I'm so glad to see the response has been resoundingly positive and seems to be putting the "appropriation" criticism to bed; his obvious reverence for her -- mirroring the audience's -- was just a joy to watch. There is a long tradition of covers in country music, and it's undeniably wonderful that reintroduced this legend to a new generation of (country) music fans.
- Joni performance got me teary eyed and was a close second. When she changed up the lyrics, I melted.
- Miley performance kicked ass, and AFAICT, was done completely live without overdubs. Really thought when "Flowers" won that she'd take the Album award, too. Her speech was hilarious and authentic and decidedly Miley.
- Olivia performance was very good and made me realize just what a beast of a song "Vampire" is to sing. Could anyone else in the AOTY category could carry that tune (maybe Miley?)? Super impressed with her and just wish she would have been recognized for what was a phenomenal year and album.
- Lana also robbed but that was more expected.
- Trevor Noah was truly awful. That the Recording Academy needed to note their host was from South Africa as a way of proving how diverse the show was? Possibly worse.
- Travis Scott's performance was...bizarre. Someone will need to explain the chair smashing to me.
- SZA, Victoria Monet, and Lainey Wilson all gave great speeches. It was very cool to see a trend emerge throughout the night of women in their 30s who've clearly been hustling and working their asses off for more than a decade get rewarded, and rightly so (ahem, Jay Z). In earlier years, these awards go to less interesting artists.
- I am always blown away by Oprah. What a magnetic orator and human being. Was Fantasia lip syncing?
- Taylor's one of my all-time favorite artists, but she's always been pretty cringe at these award ceremonies, and last night was especially bad (album announcement, Lana drag, Celine snub, awkward speeches). Midnights is such a weird record for the Academy to select for this award! Felt to me like an award for her "year" than for the album itself.

- SZA, Victoria Monet, and Lainey Wilson all gave great speeches. It was very cool to see a trend emerge throughout the night of women in their 30s who've clearly been hustling and working their asses off for more than a decade get rewarded, and rightly so (ahem, Jay Z). In earlier years, these awards go to less interesting artists.

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Very good post, Indexed… agree with everything (more or less)

The "Vampire" perf had an extra dose of ~theatricality~... which maybe should have felt OTT, but I think it worked well for that setting. I've seen so many live performances of that song by now, and never tire of it... but that was also one of the best, I think (searching Threads for reactions afterward, I saw someone write – "I love this like I love 'The Rocky Horror Show'... which, yeah, I get; even though Rocky's not my particular jam)

I'm not a Jon Batiste fan, but I liked gospel singer Ann Nesby who was part of his performance. She was testifying.

Wasn't until toward the end of "Optimistic" that I noticed Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis appeared to be on stage with them

Recoding this and excited for TS: Sabrina Carpenter vs. Chappell Roan preforming

Opened up with all star band doing I Love LA

Billie Eilish was next and now Sabrina Carpenter

Meaningless Grammy Awards

also discussion here