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Has anyone got this weeks yet? I fancy complaining about something.

Or is there a thread already?

MitchellStirling (MitchellStirling), Wednesday, 30 November 2005 13:48 (twenty years ago)

You could always complain about the Q best albums of 2005 list.

Billy Dods (Billy Dods), Wednesday, 30 November 2005 13:55 (twenty years ago)

Yeah. xpost

1) "Hounds of Love" Futureheads is number one single.

I forget the album.

mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 30 November 2005 13:55 (twenty years ago)

Bloc Party. Arcade Fire runners-up in both categories. Beyond that... I forget.

William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Wednesday, 30 November 2005 14:02 (twenty years ago)

Yes, of course. Brain froze.

Arctic monkeys quite high in the single rundown.

mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 30 November 2005 14:08 (twenty years ago)

Cheers! Well I can't argue with those too much for the NME. Just glad it wasn't Hard-Fi or Kaiser Chiefs at #1. Am planning to get Q and NME (only issue of the year I buy) tomorrow.

Why did they change the Singles of the Year to Tracks of the Year, especially as 'Hounds of Love' was in the tracks list last year. I knew they'd do that last year when I read it. Surely a track of 2005 shouldn't have been recorded in 2004. That's a minor complaint i'm sure compared to the rest of the list no doubt, as long as it's better then 2001's.

MitchellStirling (MitchellStirling), Wednesday, 30 November 2005 14:08 (twenty years ago)

Well, Graham Coxon's "Freakin Out" was in this years list.

mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 30 November 2005 14:09 (twenty years ago)

That's really stupid.

MitchellStirling (MitchellStirling), Wednesday, 30 November 2005 14:12 (twenty years ago)

Still looking at NME is what's really stupid

Mitya (mitya), Wednesday, 30 November 2005 14:31 (twenty years ago)

I need something to complain about though.

MitchellStirling (MitchellStirling), Wednesday, 30 November 2005 14:37 (twenty years ago)

50 Test icicles
49 Dead Meadow
48 Ladytron
47 Sleater-Kinney
46 The Duke Spirit
45 Shout Out Louds
44 Field Music
43 Engineers
42 Sigur Ros
41 Nine Black Alps
40 Brakes
39 Vitalic
38 Autolux
37 Circulus
36 The Bravery
35 Elbow
34 Rufus Wainwright
33 We Are Scientists
32 Queens Of The Stone Age
31 Bright Eyes
30 Doves
29 Madonna
28 Absentee
27 Kate Bush
26 Super Furry Animals
25 MIA
24 Oasis
23 Hard-Fi
22 Raveonettes
21 LCD Soundsystem
20 Editors
19 Coldplay
18 Art Brut
17 The Magic Numbers
16 British Sea Power
15 Maximo Park
14 Dungen
13 The Rakes
12 Devendra Banhart
11 The Cribs
10 Gorillaz
9 Babyshambles
8 Kanye West
7 Sufjan Stevens
6 The White Stripes
5 Kaiser Chiefs
4 Antony & The Johnsons
3 Franz Ferdinand
2 Arcade Fire

1 Bloc Party

Last Of The Famous International Pfunkboys (Kerr), Wednesday, 30 November 2005 14:59 (twenty years ago)

Poor Dan Channel 6, sandwiched between Madonna and Kate Bush!

Control your ponies, children! (kate), Wednesday, 30 November 2005 15:01 (twenty years ago)

No Black Mountain, but they do have Dead Meadow. Are they deaf?

snotty moore, Wednesday, 30 November 2005 15:03 (twenty years ago)

Babyshambles at 9?! Like I said, stupid

Mitya (mitya), Wednesday, 30 November 2005 15:03 (twenty years ago)

No Black Mountain, but they do have Dead Meadow. Are they deaf?

No, just good taste.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 30 November 2005 15:11 (twenty years ago)

Why did you embolden Circulus?

DJ Mencap (DJ Mencap), Wednesday, 30 November 2005 15:15 (twenty years ago)

Interesting thing here about the NME's chart this year: http://www.londonist.com/archives/2005/11/scoop_nme_album.php#comments

Jody Jeffcoate (Kaliova), Wednesday, 30 November 2005 15:19 (twenty years ago)

Because I thought I was the only person in the world who liked them.
I was taken aback they were in the NME list. I suppose thats what happens when I havent bought NME all year.

Last Of The Famous International Pfunkboys (Kerr), Wednesday, 30 November 2005 15:20 (twenty years ago)

best part - they print individual people @ NME pictures and their own lists .. all becomes clearer when you can see into these peoples eyes

mark e (mark e), Wednesday, 30 November 2005 15:21 (twenty years ago)

Circulus are the second worst band on that list.

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Wednesday, 30 November 2005 15:22 (twenty years ago)

Circulus = most obscure band in top 50? retro-folky-prog ain't exactly your typical NME type band.

They must have listened to Stuart Maconie on Sundays.

DJ Martian (djmartian), Wednesday, 30 November 2005 15:25 (twenty years ago)

I was just thinking if Funeral was above Bloc Party when the poles were collected they would be swapped. I wonder if Stevens was a lot higher then 7 before. Im guessing the likes of Employment, Stars of CCTV and The New Fellas got bumped at the expense of the less NME endorsed, less cool artists. Notice The Others aren't in there. American artists like Beck, Weezer and Nine Inch Nails not present (not that they should be.)

MitchellStirling (MitchellStirling), Wednesday, 30 November 2005 15:27 (twenty years ago)

in at 20 - Editors. Trivia fact Radio 1's Edith Bowman has snared her second British rock singer front man. In 2003 she was in a relationship with Guy Garvey of Elbow. In 2005 she has pounced on Tom Smith of Editors.

DJ Martian (djmartian), Wednesday, 30 November 2005 15:32 (twenty years ago)

who are these???? (sorry, i'm uhmurrican):

50 Test icicles
46 The Duke Spirit
44 Field Music
43 Engineers
40 Brakes
38 Autolux
37 Circulus
35 Elbow
33 We Are Scientists
28 Absentee
20 Editors
13 The Rakes
11 The Cribs
9 Babyshambles

xhuxk, Wednesday, 30 November 2005 15:32 (twenty years ago)

if you go here http://svt.se/svt/jsp/Crosslink.jsp?d=43453&a=475466 you can watch a short program about Circulus - its in english with swedish subtitles. and the campest presenters ever. the main bloke in Circulus comes across as such a tosser that i'd never buy one of their records. (the Islaja & Josephine Foster programs are great tho, the Dan Treacey one is heartbreaking if you are a fan :( )

zappi without cookies, Wednesday, 30 November 2005 15:36 (twenty years ago)

Circulus = most obscure band in top 50? retro-folky-prog ain't exactly your typical NME type band.

I thought they had gone oput on a limb for some time and was quite impressed, until I found out that Coalition did their press. I interviewed the Circulus dude, he seemed nice

DJ Mencap (DJ Mencap), Wednesday, 30 November 2005 15:37 (twenty years ago)

50 Test icicles - Disheartening "kooky" postpunk Bloc party rip-off.
46 The Duke Spirit - Yank technogothpunks?
44 Field Music - Friends of The Futureheads, with a Beach Boys record.
43 Engineers - Northern modern shoegaze.
40 Brakes - Joke offshoot of British Sea Power, with 1-minute songs about gigs.
38 Autolux - Fuck knows.
37 Circulus - Fuck knows.
35 Elbow - Talk Talk meets Pulp in Manchester.
33 We Are Scientists - Fuck knows.
28 Absentee - Fuck knows.
20 Editors - Interpol without tunes.
13 The Rakes - Fuck knows.
11 The Cribs - Fuck knows.
9 Babyshambles - Libertines mk2.

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Wednesday, 30 November 2005 15:39 (twenty years ago)

Shout Out Louds on that list? horribly dull live band, I can't imagine their album to be so much better.
And Get Behind Me Satan was surely one of the more records. And another reason why I don't read NME.

mox twelve (Mox twleve), Wednesday, 30 November 2005 15:40 (twenty years ago)

anyone have the rest of the singles?

scott pl. (scott pl.), Wednesday, 30 November 2005 15:40 (twenty years ago)

xhuxk. Tthe majority of those are NME hype bands, some cases are 'quite good' (Rakes,Editors and Cribs) and others aren't (Babyshambles, Test Icicles and The Duke Spirit.)

Have Engineers even been in the NME at all? That album is pretty damn good but not for everyone (NuShoegaze/Talk Talk deel to it.)

The Elbow record is the only great record in that bunch I'd say.

MitchellStirling (MitchellStirling), Wednesday, 30 November 2005 15:40 (twenty years ago)

We Are Scientists are XFM favourites, memorably described by a friend as "Liking shit music because it's in the top 10 is one thing. Actively seeking out shit music by new bands is something else"

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Wednesday, 30 November 2005 15:40 (twenty years ago)

50 Test icicles - sub-DFA1979 sort of thing
46 The Duke Spirit - garage blues with a lady singing
44 Field Music - indie
43 Engineers - pompous indie
40 Brakes - twee indie 'supergroup' feat. people in bands you won't care about either
38 Autolux - are from LA are they not? Nu-shoegazing
37 Circulus - prog-folk in costumes a la Gryphon
35 Elbow - swirly shoegazey indie
33 We Are Scientists - NYC band who have no distinguishing features except a complete inability to answer an interview question without sounding like 'zany' cunts
28 Absentee - fuck knows
20 Editors - dreadful fifth-generation Xerox of the Bunnymen
13 The Rakes - bouncy boring indie
11 The Cribs - ditto
9 Babyshambles - Pete out of the Libertines' new band, even less interesting

DJ Mencap (DJ Mencap), Wednesday, 30 November 2005 15:42 (twenty years ago)

Test Icicles = useless unlistenable rubbish loved by British teenagers

46 The Duke Spirit = PJ Harvey Karaoke

44 Field Music = Art-pop-rock think XTC

43 Engineers = overhyped nu shoegazers

40 Brakes = includes British Sea Power member

38 Autolux = American shoegazer revival band

37 Circulus = English Folky-prog rock

35 Elbow = melodic Art-rock band on third album

33 We Are Scientists = no substance hipster band

28 Absentee = never actually heard these lot, they are on English based Memphis Industries label

20 Editors = atmospheric epic post-punk revival they listened to Interpol a couple of years ago

13 The Rakes = can't comment not heard enough

11 The Cribs = rough and ready basic rock n roll. no thanks.

9 Babyshambles = pete libertine's band

DJ Martian (djmartian), Wednesday, 30 November 2005 15:42 (twenty years ago)

oh come on everybody knows Babyshambles, they're the new Rolling Stones

38 Autolux - noisy shoegaze/shoegazy noise
33 We Are Scientists - Strokes pt. XIV
13 The Rakes - Edgy postpostpunk, hardly enjoyable, not bad though

Rizz (Rizz), Wednesday, 30 November 2005 15:42 (twenty years ago)

The Editors album has already sold 250,000 in the UK. That's... that's actually fucking unbelievable.

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Wednesday, 30 November 2005 15:43 (twenty years ago)

How many 9/10 albums from this year are missing then? I can think of The Others and The Subways. Two piece of shit albums if ever I heard 'em.

MitchellStirling (MitchellStirling), Wednesday, 30 November 2005 15:43 (twenty years ago)

Editors is okay, all the songs sound the same but they're not bad songs at all.

Rizz (Rizz), Wednesday, 30 November 2005 15:45 (twenty years ago)

Editors music

Rizz (Rizz), Wednesday, 30 November 2005 15:46 (twenty years ago)

Question for Dom: how many of those 250,000 also bought The Departure's album?

DJ Martian (djmartian), Wednesday, 30 November 2005 15:48 (twenty years ago)

in at 20 - Editors. Trivia fact Radio 1's Edith Bowman has snared her second British rock singer front man. In 2003 she was in a relationship with Guy Garvey of Elbow. In 2005 she has pounced on Tom Smith of Editors.

Oh, these man eating females sucking the life out of poor weak indie types.

Billy Dods (Billy Dods), Wednesday, 30 November 2005 15:50 (twenty years ago)

Fuck Forever was #6 in the tracks. Jesus.

MitchellStirling (MitchellStirling), Wednesday, 30 November 2005 15:51 (twenty years ago)

I don't buy Q magazine, but who will list their 2005 top 50 albums first. Someone on ILM or Acclaimed Music?

I wonder hom much the NME and Q have common % wise.

DJ Martian (djmartian), Wednesday, 30 November 2005 15:51 (twenty years ago)


I guess I'd better check out Circulus, eh?

No placing for "black oni"? shame on you, nme.

Pashmina (Pashmina), Wednesday, 30 November 2005 16:12 (twenty years ago)

NME writers don't know about Guapo - Black Oni

also Simon Reynolds got book of the year for Rip It Up and Start Again

DJ Martian (djmartian), Wednesday, 30 November 2005 16:23 (twenty years ago)

ouch

Theorry Henry (Enrique), Wednesday, 30 November 2005 16:24 (twenty years ago)

Re; NME writers don't know about Guapo - Black Oni

also Simon Reynolds got book of the year for Rip It Up and Start Again

Let me guess there were pictures of Bloc Party round a tree getting it in thier stockings.

MitchellStirling (MitchellStirling), Wednesday, 30 November 2005 16:28 (twenty years ago)

someone inform Simon Reynolds to contact his business agent & publisher: get the stickers out:

"NME Book of the Year"

They can now market the book at NME teenagers/ early 20s.

DJ Martian (djmartian), Wednesday, 30 November 2005 16:28 (twenty years ago)

[contoversial uncharitable comment deleted]

Theorry Henry (Enrique), Wednesday, 30 November 2005 16:29 (twenty years ago)

pshh. The wrong Stevens again.

naranjito (Koens), Wednesday, 30 November 2005 16:32 (twenty years ago)

"Black Oni" is excellent. I bet it's as good as, if not better than anything on that list.

Pashmina (Pashmina), Wednesday, 30 November 2005 16:38 (twenty years ago)

I got Field Music confused with Field Mob and was really impressed with the NME for a second.

Eppy (Eppy), Wednesday, 30 November 2005 16:42 (twenty years ago)

Anthony Thornton in the NME

strangely he starts his overview: "Cast your mind back to 2000. Music was a poorly beast in need of either a good rockin' or a good kickin"

Can NME's teenage readership even remember 2000? can Thornton even remember 2000?

a good rockin? their number one album was the bog standard hard rockin Queens Of The Stone Age – Rated R

mind you the NME are daft, remember in 2001 they invented NME "new rock revolution", LMAO The Strokes

a good kickin? - IMHO that's Badly Drawn Boy, Eminem, Coldplay, Richard Ashcroft and Paul Welller.

Judge for yourself has the NME got worse or better in 5 years

1. Queens Of The Stone Age – Rated R
2. Primal Scream – Exterminator
3. PJ Harvey – Stories From The City, Stories From The Sea
4. Badly Drawn Boy – The Hour Of Bewilderbeast
5. At The Drive-In – Relationship Of Command
6. Coldplay – Parachutes
7. Eminem – The Marshall Mathers LP
8. Doves – Lost Souls
9. Super Furry Animals – Mwng
10. Kelis – Kaleidoscope
11. Radiohead – Kid A
12. Granddaddy – The Sophtware Slump
13. Lambchop – Nixon
14. Yo La Tengo – And Then Nothing Turned Itself Inside Out
15. Teenage Fanclub – Howdy!
16. Godspeed You Black Emperor! – Levez Vos Skinny Fists Comme Antennas To Heaven
17. Elliott Smith – Figure 8
18. The For Carnation – The For Carnation
19. The Go-Betweens – The Friend Of Rachel Worth
20. Richard Ashcroft – Alone With Everybody
21. Wu-Tang Clan – The W
22. Delta – Slippin’ Out
23. Broadcast – The Noise Made By People
24. Six By Seven – The Closer You Get
25. Jeff Buckley – Mystry White Boy
26. Bell And Sebastian – Fold Your Hands Child, You Walk Like A Peasant
27. Smog – Dongs Of Sevotion
28. The Delgados – The Great Eastern
29. The Dandy Warhols – Thirteen Tales From Urban Bohemia
30. The Kingsbury Manx – The Kingsbury Manx
31. Two Lone Swordsman – Tiny Reminders
32. Johnny Cash – American Iii: Solitary Man
33. Shellac – 1000 Hurts
34. Marilyn Manson – Holy Wood (In The Valley Of The Shadow Of Death)
35. Sigur Ros – Agaetis Byrjun
36. Ghostface Killah – Supreme Clientele
37. Paul Weller – Heliocentric
38. Leila – Courtesy Of Choice
39. Asian Dub Foundation – Community Music
40. Black Box Recorder – The Facts Of Life
41. David Holmes – Bow Down To The Exit Sign
42. Outkast – Stankonia
43. Clinic – Internal Wrangler
44. Amen – We Have Come For Your Parents
45. Ryan Adams – Heartbreaker
46. Magnetic Fields – 69 Love Songs
47. Madonna – Music
48. Q-Tip – Amplified
49. Grand Drive – True Love And High Adventure
50. Gorky’s Zygotic Mynci – The Blue Tree

DJ Martian (djmartian), Wednesday, 30 November 2005 16:49 (twenty years ago)

Oh no, I miss 2000 all of a sudden.

Eppy (Eppy), Wednesday, 30 November 2005 16:51 (twenty years ago)

i have at least heard of those bands.

Theorry Henry (Enrique), Wednesday, 30 November 2005 16:53 (twenty years ago)

and it seems a smidge more eclectic.

Theorry Henry (Enrique), Wednesday, 30 November 2005 16:53 (twenty years ago)

The 1999 and 2000 lists were much more varied and interesting. 2001 ws when the worm turned, no Avalanches (despite being an album of the month) and 11-20 was better then the top 10

1 The Strokes 'Is This It'
3 Spiritualized 'Let It Come Down'
3 The White Stripes 'White Blood Cells'
4 Jay-Z 'The Blueprint'
5 Starsailor 'Love Is Here'
6 *Slipknot 'Iowa'
7 Mercury Rev 'All Is Dream'
8 Rufus Wainwright 'Poses'
9 Andrew WK 'I Get Wet'
10 Aphex Twin 'Drukqs'
11 Super Furry Animals 'Rings Around The World
12 Elbow 'Asleep In The Back'
13 Basement Jaxx 'Rooty'
14 Air '10,000 Hz Legend'
15 Destiny's Child 'Survivor'
16 Daft Punk 'Discovery'
17 Pulp 'We Love Life'
18 Roots Manuva 'Run Come Save Me'
19 Fugazi 'The Argument'
20 Nick Cave & The Bad Seeds 'No More Shall We Part'

MitchellStirling (MitchellStirling), Wednesday, 30 November 2005 16:55 (twenty years ago)

20 years ago the NME was proto Mojo/ Uncut magazine

1985 Top 50 Albums at the NME

1. Rain Dogs - Tom Waits
2. Psychocandy - The Jesus And Mary Chain
3. VU - The Velvet Underground
4. Steve Mcqueen - Prefab Sprout
5. Mad Not Mad - Madness
6. This Nations Saving Grace - The Fall
7. Live At The Harlem Club - Sam Cooke
8. So Many Rivers - Bobby Womack
9. New Day Rising - Husker Du
10. Hounds Of Love - Kate Bush
11. Meat Is Murder - The Smiths
12. Centerfield - John Fogerty
13. Don't Stand Me Down - Dexys Midnight Runners
14. Black Codes - Wynton Marsalis
15. Intimate Storm - Shirley Brown
16. Up To The Sun - Meat Puppets
17. Bad Moon Rising - Sonic Youth
18. Rum, Sodomy & The Lash - The Pogues
19. Water Under The Bridge - Matilde Santing
20. Our Favourite Shop - The Style Council
21. Old Rotten Hat - Robert Wyatt
22. Low Life - New Order
23. Going Away - Al Green
24. Will The Wolf Survive - Los Lobos
25. There Are Eight Million Stories - The June Brides
26. Caravan Of Love - Isley, Jasper, Isley
27. Little Creatures - Talking Heads
28. A Secret Wish - Propaganda
29. Nail - Scraping Foetus Off The Wheel
30. Fables Of The Reconstruction - REM
31. Single Life - Cameo
32. Kings Of Rock - Run DMC
33. Flip Your Wig - Husker Du
34. Radio Musc Man - Womack & Womack
35. Suzanne Vega - Suzanne Vega
36. Dream Of A Lifetime - Marvin Gaye
37. Escenas - Ruben Blades
38. Lost And Found - Jason And The Scorchers
39. Decode Yourself - Ronald Shannon Jackson
40. Halber Mensch - Einsturzende Neubauten
41. The Evening Visits - The Apartments
42. Boys And Girls - Bryan Ferry
43. You're Under Arrest - Miles Davis
44. Father's Lying Dead Upon The Ironing Board - Agnes Bernelle
45. Live In Stockholm - Miles Davis & John Coltrane
46. Shoulder To Shoulder - Test Department And The South Wales Miners Choir
47. Rockin And Romance - Jonathan Richman
48. Lilly Of My Valley - Ijahman Levi
49. The Clock Comes Down The Stairs - Microdisney
50. The First Born Is Dead - Nick Cave And The Bad Seeds

DJ Martian (djmartian), Wednesday, 30 November 2005 17:02 (twenty years ago)

Kate Bush in both 2005 and 1985 NME lists, something that New Order didn't achieve in 2005 due to an average autopilot album.

DJ Martian (djmartian), Wednesday, 30 November 2005 17:07 (twenty years ago)

New Order was apprently knocked off this years list.

MitchellStirling (MitchellStirling), Wednesday, 30 November 2005 17:10 (twenty years ago)

John Fogerty?

Eppy (Eppy), Wednesday, 30 November 2005 17:12 (twenty years ago)

You know you've been around the UK indie scene for too long when you've played toilet circuit gigs with at least three of the bands on that list. Bah. Coulda been a contendah, etc.

Control your ponies, children! (kate), Wednesday, 30 November 2005 17:15 (twenty years ago)

ask Mark Sinker or Chuck Eddy they may remember him?

I don't know John Fogerty - centrefield but i know centerfold by j geils band

DJ Martian (djmartian), Wednesday, 30 November 2005 17:18 (twenty years ago)

John Fogerty, Creedence Clearwater Revival head honcho, a number 1 album in US summer '85.

Billy Dods (Billy Dods), Wednesday, 30 November 2005 17:21 (twenty years ago)

Notice that Conor is repying in the Londonlist article. he seems quite pissed off.

MitchellStirling (MitchellStirling), Wednesday, 30 November 2005 17:25 (twenty years ago)

Stuck between generations: Shocked that the voice's music editor would have to ask who Babyshambles, Elbow, and Editors are, dismayed that "John Fogerty?" was apparently an actual question.

Mitya (mitya), Wednesday, 30 November 2005 17:28 (twenty years ago)

2005 vs 2000

Martian, you are priceless!

the bellefox, Wednesday, 30 November 2005 17:31 (twenty years ago)

No, sorry, I didn't mean "Who's John Fogerty?" I meant "What the fuck is John Fogerty doing at #12 on a year-end NME list after Husker Du, Kate Bush, and the Smiths?"

Eppy (Eppy), Wednesday, 30 November 2005 17:40 (twenty years ago)

Well it's a fine album, not a #12 album but certainly top 50.

Billy Dods (Billy Dods), Wednesday, 30 November 2005 17:46 (twenty years ago)

Anyone miss 1985? You can argue about rank but there are a number of all-time classic albums in that top 20.

Also, I cannot stand Bloc Party. Talk about empty calories.

Edward III (edward iii), Wednesday, 30 November 2005 18:06 (twenty years ago)

heated debate:
http://www.londonist.com/archives/2005/11/scoop_nme_album.php

DJ Martian (djmartian), Wednesday, 30 November 2005 18:13 (twenty years ago)

Conor doesn't think bloggers are real journos.

While it is sometimes crucial that sources be protected, the concept only truly works when applied by journalists and publications with trustworthy reputations.

I'm afraid this blog is not held in such high esteem. Clearly, in this situation the onus is on you to prove you are not manufacturing this list, working for your own anti-NME agenda, and cowardly hiding behind an established code of journalistic conduct -which, as highly subjective bloggers, you have no real claim to in the first place.

Conor

Last Of The Famous International Pfunkboys (Kerr), Wednesday, 30 November 2005 19:19 (twenty years ago)

>Shocked that the voice's music editor would have to ask who Babyshambles, Elbow, and Editors are,>

I'm supposed to know the name of every little half-assed marginal Brit pop hype, after decades of crying wolf about such bands, whether they've had albums released in the States or not, when there are a couple thousand more interesting records to care about? Yeah, right. (The descriptions above, at least, suggest I sure didn't miss much.)

xhuxk, Wednesday, 30 November 2005 19:55 (twenty years ago)

(I had heard all three of those NAMES, for whatever it's worth. If I heard the bands themselves, though -- and I may well have; I get forgettable new albums by useless new bands in the mail every day of the week -- they left no impression whatsoever. Either way, nothing I heard anybody say about them gave any indication that I should be paying attention. And this thread basically confirms my suspicions.)

xhuxk, Wednesday, 30 November 2005 19:58 (twenty years ago)

(actually, given how cool that 1985 list looks, "a couple decades" might be a slight hyperbole, even if the NME and MM plugged plenty of losers on their pages in those days, too. But sorry, that 2005 list is almost as pathetic and embarassing as, um, not knowing who John Fogerty is.) (Not that *Centerfield* was all that great an album.)

xhuxk, Wednesday, 30 November 2005 20:05 (twenty years ago)

actually, though, i don't know these either (and at least 3 of these names do indeed smell like brit pop hypes, now that you mention it):

15. Intimate Storm - Shirley Brown
19. Water Under The Bridge - Matilde Santing
25. There Are Eight Million Stories - The June Brides
41. The Evening Visits - The Apartments
44. Father's Lying Dead Upon The Ironing Board - Agnes Bernelle
48. Lilly Of My Valley - Ijahman Levi
49. The Clock Comes Down The Stairs - Microdisney

That Agnes Bernelle title sounds totally wacky, though! Who is SHE?? (And I know who Propaganda are now because I bought a used CD by them last month, and what's more, I actually *liked* the darn thing!)

xhuxk, Wednesday, 30 November 2005 20:31 (twenty years ago)

The crusty old electronic music nerds on an old mailing list were all big into Microdisney, and I vaguely remember them being experimental french electro, but I might just be making that up. I guess I could just check AMG, but meh. I always meant to give them a listen, but, you know.

Eppy (Eppy), Wednesday, 30 November 2005 20:35 (twenty years ago)

For those who don't understand the wierdness of Circulus inclusion as discussed up-thread, this is what they look like:

http://www.meilewis.com/photos/circulus/circ1.jpg

More:
http://www.meilewis.com/circulus.html

mei (mei), Wednesday, 30 November 2005 20:37 (twenty years ago)

I just tried four times to scroll off that picture and it wasn't until the fifth try that I succeeded. That's mezmerizing. Wow.

Eppy (Eppy), Wednesday, 30 November 2005 20:39 (twenty years ago)

I actually think I bought an used LP by Microdisney once, to be honest (maybe even after seeing them on that list)! They sort of have a cute name. But if I did buy one, I got rid of it really soon after.

xhuxk, Wednesday, 30 November 2005 20:39 (twenty years ago)

I'm no apologist for the NME (what is it with their inscrutable fixation with The Cribs?) but it's amusing that there's so much withering criticism of their list from people who appear to have such poor knowledge of the bands concerned.

Maybe NME isn't alone in not being as eclectic and open-minded in its tastes as it used to be.

Dead Kenny (Dead Kenny), Wednesday, 30 November 2005 21:49 (twenty years ago)

I've heard every band in that list.

I've changed my mind, We Are Scientists are worse than Circulus.

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Wednesday, 30 November 2005 21:52 (twenty years ago)

The crusty old electronic music nerds on an old mailing list were all big into Microdisney, and I vaguely remember them being experimental french electro

Ha ha, anything but. Embittered Irish miserabilists, some said they were a more savage version of Steely Dan but they were never quite that smooth. Cathal Coughlan went onto form the splendid (occasionally) Fatima Mansions and Sean O'Hagan went onto form the nice but dull High Llamas.


Otheres from Chucks list;

Shirley Brown - Old school soul
Matilde Santing - Dutch? Marianne Faithful type cabaret style torch singer
June Brides - Inexplicably hyped c86 type indie jangle, made front cover that year
Agnes Bernelle - Another torch style singer songwriter, some Costello connection I think.

Apartments - dunno. Ijahman Levi - reggae I'd guess, though would love it if was the name of a DC hardcore band.

Billy Dods (Billy Dods), Wednesday, 30 November 2005 22:01 (twenty years ago)

Wow, I got that almost entirely wrong. Go me!

Eppy (Eppy), Wednesday, 30 November 2005 22:06 (twenty years ago)

Stylus Circulus review (by me):

http://www.stylusmagazine.com/review.php?ID=3252

Raw Patrick (Raw Patrick), Thursday, 1 December 2005 00:43 (twenty years ago)

Compare it to last years.

NME Recordings Of 2004

Albums

1. Franz Ferdinand – Franz Ferdinand
2. The Libertines – The Libertines
3. The Streets – A Grand Don’t Come For A Free
4. Scissor Sisters – Scissor Sisters
5. The Futureheads – The Futureheads
6. Danger Mouse – The Greay Album
7. Kanye West – The College Dropout
8. Razorlight – Razorlight
9. The Radio Dept – Lesser Matters
10. The Dears – No Cities Left
11. Interpol – Antics
12. Morrissey – You Are The Quarry
13. The Killers – Hot Fuss
14. Nick Cave And The Bad Seeds – Abbatoir Blues/The Lyre Of Orpheus
15. Dizzie Rascal – Showtime
16. Beastie Boys – To Thr 5 Boroughs
17. TV On The Radio – Desperate Youth, Blood Thirsty Babies
18. U2 – Ho To Dismantle An Atomic Bomb
19. The Concretes – The Concretes
20. Kasabain – Kasabain
21. Keane – Hope And Fears
22. Gwen Stefani – Love Angel Music Baby
23. Ryan Adams – Love Is Hell (Pt 1 & 2)
24. Elliott Smith – From A Basement On The Hill
25. Kings Of Leon – Aha Shake Heartbreak
26. Secret Machines – Now Here Is Nowhere
27. Mylo – Destroy Rock ‘N’ Roll
28. The Ordinary Boys – Over The Counter Culture
29. Hope Of The States – The Lost Riots
30. Dios – Dios
31. Devendra Banheart – Rejoicing In The Hands
32. Kelis – Tasty
33. Brian Wilson – Smile
34. Amplifier – Amplifier
35. Graham Coxon – Happiness In Magazines
36. The Go! Team – Thunder, Lightening, Strike
37. The Zutons – Who Killed The Zutons
38. Goldie Lookin’ Chain – Greatest Hits
39. Eminem – Encore
40. The Bees – Free The Bees
41. Mos Def – The New Danger
42. Regina Spektor – Soviet Kitsch
43. The Music – Welcome To The North
44. Wilco – A Ghost Is Born
45. Green Day – American Idiot
46. Sufjan Stevens – Seven Swans
47. The Shins – Chutes Too Narrow
48. Joanna Newsom – The Milk-Eyed Mender
49. Selfish Cunt – No Wicked Heart Shall Prosper
50. 22-20’s – 22-20’s

Last Of The Famous International Pfunkboys (Kerr), Thursday, 1 December 2005 00:45 (twenty years ago)

20 Editors - Interpol without tunes.

more like the Interpol i can actually cope with listening to without wanting to beat their smarmy fuckwit of a frontman into the ground

*cough* i quite like editors

jim p. irrelevant (electricsound), Thursday, 1 December 2005 01:50 (twenty years ago)

Conspiracy theory. So maybe ILXOR can guess what the REAL Top 50 were... I'll start:

50. Wolf Eyes

Aaron W (Aaron W), Thursday, 1 December 2005 02:18 (twenty years ago)

field music and autolux are fucking great

jim p. irrelevant (electricsound), Thursday, 1 December 2005 02:52 (twenty years ago)

Chuck I just listened to the Babyshambles album tonight and I think you actually might kinda dig it, it's not exactly revolutionary or nothin' but it rocks nicely and the singer's got a real gift for sounding breezy and offhanded like good 70's Mick Jagger yaknow

Banana Nutrament (ghostface), Thursday, 1 December 2005 02:58 (twenty years ago)

Will that blog print the actual list?

Last Of The Famous International Pfunkboys (Kerr), Thursday, 1 December 2005 07:46 (twenty years ago)

Infact heres what it says

Editor's note: Regarding the issues which have been raised in the comments section - we will not be publishing the list we referred to and we won't be revealing how we came about that information either. This is simply because we were asked not to. This site does not have a history of printing lies in order to pursue personal vendettas and we're not about to start. There's no reason for us to attack the NME specifically (in fact, if you scroll down you'll see we plugged their tour yesterday), we're just stating what we've seen and posting our thoughts on it. If you don't want to believe it then that's fine.

Also, if that is the editor of the NME posting comments here (we're aware other commenters are posting under the same name and have deleted those comments) then he needs to email Londonist directly to prove it and address his concerns over what we've published directly with us.

Last Of The Famous International Pfunkboys (Kerr), Thursday, 1 December 2005 07:48 (twenty years ago)

Bought Q today, frankly the albums list isn't worth publishing on here.

MitchellStirling (MitchellStirling), Thursday, 1 December 2005 12:28 (twenty years ago)

What's the 'free book worth £8.99' like?

mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 1 December 2005 12:42 (twenty years ago)

Like the Empire ones (Based on the Schott's Misc. books) It's all right, It contains a list of every 5* new release in Q's lifetime. (Room On Fire, Be Here Now and All About Chemistry still make me laugh.) And a mistake in that A Ruch Of Blood To The Head only got 4.


Here's the NME tracks of 2005. How Black and White Town didn't make it when #6 and #8 are in there i'll never know.

49 Lucky 6 Lupen Crook
48 The Great Escape We Are Scientists
47 Oh My God! Kasier Chiefs
46 Freakin' Out Graham Coxon
45 Lose Control Missy Elliot
44 Love In A Trashcan The Ravonettes
43 It's Not The Only Way To Feel Happy Field Music
42 Feel Good Inc Gorillaz
41 Zoo Time Mystery Jets
40 My Friend Dario Vitallic
39 Hung Up Madonna
38 Love and Pain Clor
37 Strasbourg The Rakes
36 Hey Man (Now We're Really Living) The Eels
35 Pull Out Death From Above 1979
34 California Low
33 My Dead Wife Absentee
32 Hey Scenesters! The Cribs
31 Lyla Oasis
30 Forever Lost The Magic Numbers
29 Off The Record My Morning Jacket
28 Munich Editors
27 22 Grand Job The Rakes
26 Apply Some Pressure Maximo Park
25 Bored and Somewhat Detatched Snow White
24 Work, Work, Work(Pub, Club, Sleep) The Rakes
23 First Day Of My Life Bright Eyes
22 Oxygen Willy Mason
21 Blue Orchid The White Stripes
20 1 Thing Amerie
19 Please Stand Up British Sea Power
18 I Predict A Re-Release The Kaiser Chiefs
17 Daft Punk Is Playing My House LCD Soundsystem
16 DARE Gorillaz
15 La Ritournelle Sebastien Teller
14 Neighbourhood #2 (Lakia) The Arcade Fire
13 Banquet Bloc Party
12 Hard To Beat Hard-Fi
11 Fake Tales Of San Francisco The Arctic Monkeys
10 Juicebox The Strokes
9 Do You Want To Franz Ferdinand
8 Somewhere Else Razorlight
7 Hope There's Someone Antony & The Johnsons
6 Fuck Forever Babyshambles
5 My Doorbell The White Stripes
4 Gold Digger Kanye West
3 I Bet You Look Good On The Dancefloor The Arctic Monkeys
2 Rebellion (Lies) The Arcade Fire
1 Hounds Of Love The Futureheads

MitchellStirling (MitchellStirling), Thursday, 1 December 2005 12:49 (twenty years ago)

who is Sebastien Teller?

CharlieNo4 (Charlie), Thursday, 1 December 2005 13:05 (twenty years ago)

For Completion

Books (a bit Uncut no?)

10 John Cynthia Lennon
9 Extreme Sharon Osbourne
8 Moonage Daydream David Bowie & Mick Ronson
7 The Bob Dylan Scrapbook
6 Room Full Of Mirrors Charles R Cross
5 Hotel California Barney Hoskyns
4 The Man Called Cash Steve Turner
3 Everybody Dance Daryl Easlea
2 Margrave Of The Marshes John Peel and Shelia Ravenscroft
1 Rip It Up And Start Again Simon Reynolds

[Orange Juice have just come on 6music as I typed that]

DVD's

10 T-Rex: Born To Boogie
9 Live8
8 Hendrix at Woodstock
7 Morrissey 'Who Put The 'M' in Manchester?'
6 The Great Rock 'n' Roll Swindle
5 Starshaped
4 Serge Gainsbourg
3 No Direction Home
2 Punk: Attitude
1 Dig!


Reissues
10 The Scream
9 Born To Run
8 Relationship Of Command
7 Grace
6 Entroducing...
5 Stanley Road
4 Pornography
3 Goo
2 Future Days
1 Horses

Compilations
10 Curtain Call: Eminem
9 Best of British £1 Notes: John Lydon
8 The Complete Peel Sessions: The Fall
7 The Glasgow School: Orange Juice
6 A Million In Prizes: Iggy Pop
5 The Sounds Of Monsterism Island: V/A
4 John Peel Tribute: V/A
3 Original Songs- Songs That Inspired Nick Cave and The Bad Seeds: V/A
2 Meridain 1970: V/A
1 Warchild's Help - A Day In The Life: V/A

No need to spend that £1.90 now.

MitchellStirling (MitchellStirling), Thursday, 1 December 2005 13:08 (twenty years ago)

8 of the NME's tracks are in my end of year top 100.

Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Thursday, 1 December 2005 13:11 (twenty years ago)

inc. 'La Ritournelle'

Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Thursday, 1 December 2005 13:11 (twenty years ago)

Here's the Q top 10. If requested i'll put the whole top 50 in another thread

10 "Stars Of CCTV" Hard-Fi
9 "Eye To The Telescope" KT Tunstall
8 "Funeral" The Arcade Fire
7 "You Could Have It So Much Better" Franz Ferdinand
6 "Back To Bedlam" James Blunt
5 "I'm Wide Awake, It's Morning" Bright Eyes
4 "Don't Believe The Truth" Oasis
3 "Employment" The Kasier Chiefs
2 "Demon Days" Gorrilaz
1 "X&Y" Coldplay

MitchellStirling (MitchellStirling), Thursday, 1 December 2005 13:57 (twenty years ago)

That Q list makes the NME's seem almost Wire-like.

Billy Dods (Billy Dods), Thursday, 1 December 2005 14:10 (twenty years ago)

fucking hard-fi! again! what is this brainwashing?

CharlieNo4 (Charlie), Thursday, 1 December 2005 14:12 (twenty years ago)

You are now entering a world of pain....

Q readers vote for the 100 greatest tracks of the year

100 Push The Button Sugababes
99 Good People Jack Johnson
98 Feeling A Moment Feeder
97 All Because Of You U2
96 Welcome To Jamrock Damien "Jr. Gong" Marley
95 E-Pro Beck
94 Forget Myself Elbow
93 DOA Foo Fighters
92 Hey Scenesters! The Cribs
91 I'm Not Okay (I Promise) My Chemical Romance
90 BYOB Sysytem Of A Down
89 Evil Interpol
88 Why Do You Love Me Garbage
87 Munich Editors
86 This Modern Love Bloc Party
85 Who Put The Weight Of The World On My Shoulders? Oasis
84 Girl Beck
83 Tied Up Too Tight Hard-Fi
82 Two More Years Bloc Party
81 Beverly Hills Weezer
80 Mucky Fingers Oasis
79 Shiver Natalie Imbruglia
78 Processed Beats Kasabian
77 Bad Day Daniel Powter
76 Other Side Of The World KT Tunstall
75 Pioneers Bloc Party
74 Love Me Like You The Magic Numbers
73 They Jem
72 Goodnight Goodnight Hot Hot Heat
71 Superman The Stereophonics
70 Neighbourhood #2 (Lakia) The Arcade Fire
69 Diamonds From Sierra Leone Kanye West
68 The First Day Of My Life Bright Eyes
67 Cash Machine Hard-Fi
66 So Here We Are Bloc Party
65 Suddenly I See KT Tunstall
64 Hope There's Someone Antony & The Johnsons
63 I Bet You Look Good On The Dancefloor The Arctic Monkeys
62 The Ghost Of You My Chemical Romance
61 Krafty New Order
60 What If Coldplay
59 The One I Love David Gray
58 Half Light Athlete
57 White Shadows Coldplay
56 Neighbourhood #3 (Power Out) The Arcade Fire
55 The Meaning Of Soul Oasis
54 In The Morning The Coral
53 Turn Up The Sun Oasis
52 Bullets Editors
51 Graffiti Maxïmo Park
50 Living For The Weekend Hard-Fi
49 Little Sister Queens Of The Stone Age
48 What You Waiting For Gwen Stefani
47 Decent Days and Nights The Futureheads
46 Going Missing Maxïmo Park
45 Galvanize The Chemical Brothers
44 Helena My Chemical Romance
43 Helicopter Bloc Party
42 City Of Blinding Lights U2
41 Fuck Forever Babyshambles
40 Oxygen Willy Mason
39 Gold Digger Kanye West
38 Boulevard Of Broken Dreams Green Day
37 Let There Be Love Oasis
36 Sometimes You Can't Make It On Your Own U2
35 Smile Like You Mean It The Killers
34 Vertigo U2
33 Apply Some Pressure Maxïmo Park
32 Killamangiro Babyshambles
31 Hounds Of Love The Futureheads
30 DARE Gorrilaz
29 Black And White Town Doves
28 Blue Orchid The White Stripes
27 All The Things That I've Done The Killers
26 American Idiot Green Day
25 My Doorbell The White Stripes
24 An Honest Mistake The Bravery
23 Club Foot Kasabian
22 Wake Me Up When September Ends Green Day
21 Everyday I Love You Less and Less The Kaiser Chiefs
20 You're Beautiful James Blunt
19 Wires Athlete
18 Rebellion (Lies) The Arcade Fire
17 Somebody Told Me The Killers
16 Holiday Green Day
15 Banquet Bloc Party
14 Forever Lost The Magic Numbers
13 Somewhere Else Razorlight
12 Best Of You Foo Fighters
11 Feel Good Inc Gorrilaz
10 Hard To Beat Hard-Fi
9 Speed Of Sound Coldplay
8 Dakota The Stereophonics
7 Do You Want To Franz Ferdinand
6 Lyla Oasis
5 Black Horse and The Cherry Tree KT Tunstall
4 Oh My God! The Kaiser Chiefs
3 I Predict A Riot The Kaiser Chiefs
2 Fix You Coldplay
1 The Importance Of Being Idle Oasis


and the full albums list

50 Our Shadows Will Remain Joseph Arthur
49 Arular M.I.A.
48 Horse Fabulous The Stands
47 Red Book Texas
46 Language. Sex. Violence. Other? The Stereophonics
45 Ruby Blue Rosin Murphy
44 Where The Humans Eat Willy Mason
43 Dynamite Jamiroquai
42 Be Common
41 More Adventureous Rilo Kiley
40 Cripple Crow Devandra Bandhart
39 Pushing The Senses Feeder
38 With Teeth Nine Inch Nails
37 Lullabies To Paralyze Queens Of The Stone Age
36 Nashville Josh Rouse
35 Z My Morning Jacket
34 Playing The Angel Depeche Mode
33 Leaders Of The Free World Elbow
32 Coles Corner Richard Hawley
31 Tourist Athlete
30 Oceans Apart The Go-Betweens
29 LCD Soundsysyem LCD Soundsysyem
28 29 Ryan Adams
27 Some Cities Doves
26 Confessions On A Dance Floor Madonna
25 Silent Alarm Bloc Party
24 Life In Slow Motion David Gray
23 Aerial Kate Bush
22 One Way Ticket To Hell…And Back The Darkness
21 Want Two Rufus Wainwright
20 Devils And Dust Bruce Springsteen
19 Blinking Lights and Other Revelations Eels
18 Finally Woken Jem
17 As Is Now Paul Weller
16 Prarie Wind Neil Young
15 I Am A Bird Now Antony & The Johnsons
14 The Magic Numbers The Magic Numbers
13 Get Behind Me Satan The White Stripes
12 Late Registration Kanye West
11 Supernature Goldfrapp
10 Stars Of CCTV Hard-Fi
9 Eye To The Telescope KT Tunstall
8 Funeral The Arcade Fire
7 You Could Have It So Much Better Franz Ferdinand
6 Back To Bedlam James Blunt
5 I'm Wide Awake, It's Morning Bright Eyes
4 Don't Believe The Truth Oasis
3 Employment The Kasier Chiefs
2 Demon Days Gorrilaz
1 X&Y Coldplay

MitchellStirling (MitchellStirling), Thursday, 1 December 2005 14:20 (twenty years ago)

I feel faintly nauseous after that.

mike t-diva (mike t-diva), Thursday, 1 December 2005 14:25 (twenty years ago)

Bring back Sounds!!!

David Gunnip (David Gunnip), Thursday, 1 December 2005 15:28 (twenty years ago)

what was the #50 Single on NME's list? I must know!

bill p, Thursday, 1 December 2005 15:47 (twenty years ago)

Test Icicles, wasn't it?

mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 1 December 2005 15:52 (twenty years ago)

Fix You

MitchellStirling (MitchellStirling), Thursday, 1 December 2005 15:53 (twenty years ago)

londonist has shattered my faith in the integrity of the nme forever.

Theorry Henry (Enrique), Thursday, 1 December 2005 15:57 (twenty years ago)

10 Stars Of CCTV Hard-Fi
9 Eye To The Telescope KT Tunstall
8 Funeral The Arcade Fire
7 You Could Have It So Much Better Franz Ferdinand
6 Back To Bedlam James Blunt
5 I'm Wide Awake, It's Morning Bright Eyes
4 Don't Believe The Truth Oasis
3 Employment The Kasier Chiefs
2 Demon Days Gorrilaz
1 X&Y Coldplay

I'd like to see anyone argue that these aren't the ten best albums of the year!

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Thursday, 1 December 2005 16:02 (twenty years ago)

step up or step off hataz

KT Fan (Enrique), Thursday, 1 December 2005 16:04 (twenty years ago)

2 Fix You Coldplay
1 The Importance Of Being Idle Oasis

this is just... there are no words.

Theorry Henry (Enrique), Thursday, 1 December 2005 16:14 (twenty years ago)

You think Fix You is a better song?

Onimo (GerryNemo), Thursday, 1 December 2005 16:20 (twenty years ago)

It is!

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Thursday, 1 December 2005 16:30 (twenty years ago)

re:

Bring back Sounds!!!

-- David Gunnip (david.a.gunni...) (webmail), December 1st, 2005 3:28 PM.

OK, I will bring back the spirit Sounds of magazine

50 2005 Albums Overlooked by the NME

[if the diverse agenda setting spirit of Melody Maker & Sounds magazine of the late 80s lived on today then these albums would be celebrated]

Akercocke - Words That Go Unspoken, Deeds That Go Undone
Animal Collective - Feels
Boards of Canada - The Campfire Headphase
Broadcast - Tender Buttons
Pier Bucci - Familia
Burst - Origo
Colleen - The Golden Morning Breaks
Dälek - Absence
Dark Tranquillity - Character
Richard Davis - Details
Deathspell Omega - Kénôse
Depeche Mode - Playing the Angel
Ephel Duath - Pain Necessary to Know
Frantic Bleep - The Sense Apparatus
High on Fire - Blessed Black Wings
Hystereo - Corporate Crimewave
Isolée - Wearemonster
Jaga Jazzist - What We Must
Jan Jelinek - Kosmischer Pitch
Jesu - Jesu
Marsen Jules - Herbstlaub
Knut - Terraformer
Konono No. 1 - Congotronics
Larsen - Play
Lightning Bolt - Hypermagic Mountain
The Juan Maclean - Less Than Human
Malory - The Third Face
The Mars Volta - Frances The Mute
Mew - And the Glass Handed Kites
Julien Neto - Le Fumeur de Ciel
Nil - Nil Novo Sub Sol
Nine Horses - Snow Borne Sorrow
Oöphoi & Louisa John-krol - I Hear The Water Dreaming
Opeth - Ghost Reveries
Pelican - The Fire in Our Throats Will Beckon the Thaw
Pendulum - Hold Your Colour
Port-Royal - Flares
Primordial - The Gathering Wilderness
Red Sparowes - At The Soundless Dawn
Steve Reid - Ensemble - Spirit Walk
Riverside - Second Life Syndrome
Shining - In The Kingdom Of Kitsch You Will Be A Monster
Alex Smoke - Incommunicado
Strapping Young Lad - Alien
Sunn O))) - Black One
Esbjörn Svensson Trio - Viaticum
Swarm of the Lotus - The Sirens of Silence
Taake - ...Doedskvad
Ulver - Blood Inside
Van Der Graaf Generator - Present
Wilderness - Wilderness

bring back a magazine like Melody Maker & Sounds !

DJ Martian (djmartian), Thursday, 1 December 2005 17:41 (twenty years ago)

Shit, Martian, delete that ackercocke rekkid (which is terrible) and replace it w/that guapo one, eh?

Pashmina (Pashmina), Thursday, 1 December 2005 17:43 (twenty years ago)

Though, I can just see Sounds front covering Akercocke

Guapo would have a been Sounds type band - true

DJ Martian (djmartian), Thursday, 1 December 2005 17:45 (twenty years ago)

that Q list is even worse than the NME's

they must be tone deaf: Texas, Stereophonics, Blunt, Hard-Fi, Weller - is this my Room 101?

DJ Martian (djmartian), Thursday, 1 December 2005 17:51 (twenty years ago)

that Q list has set the benchmark for the "worst" best 2005 albums list, it will be rather difficult to find one worse than that! more rotters...Athlete, pratinthathatjammy, Willy Mason, Feeder, Darkness.

DJ Martian (djmartian), Thursday, 1 December 2005 17:59 (twenty years ago)

The singer from Athlete = the worst singer since bbby glssp.

Pashmina (Pashmina), Thursday, 1 December 2005 18:01 (twenty years ago)

Geir is the only person on ILM to agree with Coldbore-Dullplay at Number 1. They are the ultimate Q 21st century type band.

DJ Martian (djmartian), Thursday, 1 December 2005 18:05 (twenty years ago)

Geir is the only person on ILM to agree with Coldbore-Dullplay at Number 1

Coldplay are not perfect, but they are not as bad as you hipper-than-thou types think. "Fix You" is one of the best tracks that I heard this year - your mileage may vary.

John Hunter, Thursday, 1 December 2005 18:11 (twenty years ago)

new musical express my arse.......
nothing new about the arcade fire, funeral was 2004 (great lp!)
single of the year a f'in cover song, bullshit
i actually hate the bloc party....
most of the records on the list should be filed under
'top dissapointing albums of the year.'
franz, babyshambles, gorillaz, kaiser cheifs, coldplay, white stripes.... disapointed with all these records.... not in my personal top 50!

i did enjoy doves, oasis, magic numbers, coral, mando diao, m.i.a,
bright eyes.....

top singles - black and white town, gold digger, importance of being idle, ....dancefloor,

more than half of the nme list i actually hate!
music for indie snobs, not music lovers!
mojo here i come!

Jon Hall, Friday, 2 December 2005 09:23 (twenty years ago)

soulwax - e talking was brilliant
the remixes and the single.......... ace
not mentioned anywhere......

jon hall, Friday, 2 December 2005 09:45 (twenty years ago)

this might interest the hataz: http://www.myspace.com/newmusicalexpress

CharlieNo4 (Charlie), Friday, 2 December 2005 09:57 (twenty years ago)

Oh, and what about "What Car" by Cliff Richard?

Don't forget the NME Readers poll.

Or will they be 'revising' that as well?

mark grout (mark grout), Friday, 2 December 2005 09:59 (twenty years ago)

There's just too much music out there! DJ Martian did you really listen to all 50 of your overlooked albums, as well as all the 50 on the NME list? Don't know where you find the time.

Jim El Buho, Friday, 2 December 2005 11:03 (twenty years ago)

Where can I find Conn 'em, i mean Connor's anti Londonsit statement? thought the list was a load of shite myself.)

minx-some, Friday, 2 December 2005 13:14 (twenty years ago)

Agnes Bernelle was a Berlin cabaret singer (I think she just scraped into the golden age of Berlin cabaret as a youngster, certainly that was the impression I'm left with), made a couple of LPs for Demon /Imp in the 80s, the first produced by Costello, the second by Phil Chevron (Pogues / Radiators). The second also boasted a glorious title, "Mother The Wardrobe Is Full of Infantrymen".

Both LPs are worth a listen. I seem to recall the first was made up of originals and old-school Berlin business, while the second had a couple of more recent numbers, including "Broken Bicycles" by Tom Waits, which seems a bit of an obvious move. Costello had his opera singer friend do the same song not too long ago, didn't he?

All of the above should be considered unreliable.

Tim (Tim), Friday, 2 December 2005 13:30 (twenty years ago)

I knew there was a Costello connection. Is she anything like Ute Lemper/later Marianne Faithfull?

Billy Dods (Billy Dods), Friday, 2 December 2005 14:51 (twenty years ago)

i'm suprised there's no mention of superwolf or vashti bunyan on those lists. or espers. or lots of things.

peter x (bucksbreeze), Friday, 2 December 2005 14:52 (twenty years ago)

I don't know what's sadder.

a) That a load of guys that obviously can't get laid are bitching about a poll published in a magazine written by other guys that can't get laid.

b) That I'm reading their comments

Peace.Out.

Lionel Minky, Friday, 2 December 2005 15:00 (twenty years ago)

Don't MAKE me post the NME slash.

Control your ponies, children! (kate), Friday, 2 December 2005 15:01 (twenty years ago)

Billy I'm afraid I'm unfamiliar with Ute or later MF but it's kinda growly voiced songs about lowlife joy and misery with variously plinky-plonky backing and the occasional lusty-voiced chourus.

No, it's better than that.

Oh and I recall that the LP of FLDOTIB plays at 45, which I suppose is fairly unusual.

Tim (Tim), Friday, 2 December 2005 15:19 (twenty years ago)

I don't know what's sadder.

a) That a load of guys that obviously can't get laid are bitching about a poll published in a magazine written by other guys that can't get laid.

Well, we can't spend all the time wanking.

Billy Dods (Billy Dods), Friday, 2 December 2005 15:48 (twenty years ago)

>>I don't know what's sadder.
a) That a load of guys that obviously can't get laid are bitching about a poll published in a magazine written by other guys that can't get laid.

Yoko's Dry Cleaner, Friday, 2 December 2005 16:09 (twenty years ago)

Oddly enough I was getting laid while reading this thread.

Yoko's Dry Cleaner, Friday, 2 December 2005 16:10 (twenty years ago)

the comments there are 'hilarious':

I remember when the NME was the enemy of the establishment. I mean, they had that Julie Butcher and Tony Slattery working there didn't they?
Posted by Frank White on December 2, 2005 12:38 PM.

Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Friday, 2 December 2005 16:13 (twenty years ago)

November 30, 2005
SCOOP - NME Album Of The Year

Regrettfully, after a communication from the NME we have decided to remove this post.

Hopefully we'll be able to say more on this later, but please bear with us for now.

Thanks

Rob Hinchcliffe - editor.

http://www.londonist.com/archives/2005/11/scoop_nme_album.php#comments

Last Of The Famous International Pfunkboys (Kerr), Friday, 2 December 2005 17:31 (twenty years ago)

looks like legal action was going to be actioned?

the list may have been a working draft version, with more votes to be added ?

DJ Martian (djmartian), Friday, 2 December 2005 17:37 (twenty years ago)

The thing that strikes me comparing the 1985 list to the current one is the comparative variety of the 85 list - the likes of Miles Davis, Wynton Marsalis, Mathilde Santing, Bryan Ferry and ... Cameo FFS ... rubbing shoulders with the usual indie suspects like New Order and Sonic Youth, whereas the newer lists have been sanitised of anything vaguely off-message. I blame it also on the tight pigeonholing of the media these days - the likes of BBC 6 and MTV 2 hiving off guitar pop-rock away from the general channels, and precluding any crossover with dance, reggae or anything vaguely experimental.

This might to some extent explain why the very great Push the Button by the Chemical Brothers, released in January, has not been mentioned anywhere, nor the singles Galvanise, the Boxer and Believe on any of the fave track lists. Galvanise in particular is a masterful pounding beast of a track, got played to death in Jan and Feb and is my personal track of the year.

Jim El Buho, Friday, 2 December 2005 18:10 (twenty years ago)

Galvanize is at #45 on the Q readers tracks.

MitchellStirling (MitchellStirling), Friday, 2 December 2005 19:36 (twenty years ago)

Jim El Buho's first paragraph OTM. I mean, it's very possible that I might like a couple the bands I haven't heard who show up on this year's NME list; Banana says he thinks I might like Babyshambles, and though I never had any use for the Libertines, who knows, he might be right. The Cribs could wind up being up my alley, too; you never know. If releases by those bands come my way, I promise to check them out. But even if I like them -- even if I wind up liking half of the bands I never heard before -- the list is still embarrassing and depressing, because with a couple isolated token exceptions (Kanye, Madonna, maybe two or three more depending how you classify things), it basically assumes that indie guitar rock by white people (mostly white British people, it looks like) is the only music that matters, which has been so far from the truth for so fucking long it's not funny--and in fact, the UK rock press may have realized that before Americans did. In 1985, if anything, the NME (and Melody Maker too, as I recall) lists were if anything maybe *more* open-minded than US critics polls; I'd have to compare them back to back to be sure, but that '85 NME list may well put the Pazz and Jop list from the same year to shame. (I know *some* mid '80s Brit-press lists did--for example, UK crits acknowledged early stirrings of dancehall reggae circa "Under Me Sleng Teng" when the US press seemed to completely ignore the stuff.) So that's why I don't buy Dead Kenny's claim that complaints here suggest that "Maybe NME isn't alone in not being as eclectic and open-minded in its tastes as it used to be." *Nothing* on this thread suggests anybody complaining has become more closed-minded than they used to be. But with NME, there is no doubt at all.

xhuxk, Friday, 2 December 2005 20:21 (twenty years ago)

hey chuck, you should check out the brakes - they were in the consumer guide. They're kinda like the Traveling Wilburys to British Sea Power's George Harrison or something. I love 'em.

'Twan (miccio), Friday, 2 December 2005 20:27 (twenty years ago)

Ha ha, sounds like I'd HATE them, given my non-love of the Wilburys and British Sea Power both! But yeah, I'll try to check them out too.

xp:
Still, what's kind of fascinating, still (if not nearly as much as it used to be since the lists themselves seem so confining -- assuming NME is typical, anyway, which it may not be) is how British critics' take on the year as so *different* than US critics. I'm always like "Wow, where the hell did all THESE bands come from?" That's cool!

xhuxk, Friday, 2 December 2005 20:31 (twenty years ago)

*rubs hands with unbridled glee*

fandango (fandango), Friday, 2 December 2005 21:14 (twenty years ago)

So that's why I don't buy Dead Kenny's claim that complaints here suggest that "Maybe NME isn't alone in not being as eclectic and open-minded in its tastes as it used to be." *Nothing* on this thread suggests anybody complaining has become more closed-minded than they used to be. But with NME, there is no doubt at all.

Well, in my defence, I suggested *maybe*. I was just trying to reference the fact that towards the top of this thread there seemed to be a lack of knowledge of some of these bands (maybe some of this was ironic?) from several contributors which was perhaps leading to assumptions towards their (lack of) quality.

Like I said, I'm no NME apologist, the list is predominantly one-dimensional mainstream indie, but then it's been a predominantly one-dimensional mainstream indie mag since at least 2001, so where's everyone been?

As for allegations about the list being manipulated, I'm shocked. They should really investigate wrestling next.

Dead Kenny (Dead Kenny), Friday, 2 December 2005 22:10 (twenty years ago)

re: so where's everyone been? - mocking them on the worst ever NME front cover thread !

DJ Martian (djmartian), Friday, 2 December 2005 22:41 (twenty years ago)

Re: They should really investigate wrestling next.

Someone should charge Bob Mould for match fixing.

DJ Martian (djmartian), Friday, 2 December 2005 22:46 (twenty years ago)

No McCartney?
No Depeche Mode?

Both made their best albums in years.

Kate Bush and Madonna should have been higher in the list as well (as should Coldplay, but I don't expect anything more from the wannabe-hipsters in NME)

The NME writers are clearly too young. The best albums of 2005 were made by well established acts, but we all know what NME think of established acts.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Saturday, 3 December 2005 00:15 (twenty years ago)

http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/culturevulture/archives/2005/12/02/out_of_order.html

Ian is an ilxor?

SURELY!?

Hairy Asshurt (Toaster), Saturday, 3 December 2005 00:43 (twenty years ago)

I'm glad Field Music made it, considering they will likely be ignored in most U.S. lists.

darin (darin), Saturday, 3 December 2005 00:56 (twenty years ago)

Hari, do you mean Iain?

Why do so many people compare the shabby NME who covers dreadful, evil ROCK music, music thats been DEAD for over 20 years to the brilliant Smash Hits? Smash Hits is a great magazine and everything about it is superior to NME and other rock mags.
All the whingers here are just damn boring rockists.
Get with it, ROCK IS DEAD.
Posted by Iain on December 2, 2005 05:46 PM.

Last Of The Famous International Pfunkboys (Kerr), Saturday, 3 December 2005 00:58 (twenty years ago)

Dunno if he is an ILXOR or not, but what is certain is that he is wrong. I mean, just take a look at what kind of music the kids like these days, at least here in Europe.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Saturday, 3 December 2005 01:18 (twenty years ago)

Scoop! I managed to get hold of the original NME writers' list and have published it on my blog!

(Unfortunately, the editor of my blog has tampered quite significantly with the list, and what's more the NME's lawyers have been in touch to say that any attempt to reveal the actual music tastes of NME's writers will result in a lawsuit from the NME.)

Momus (Momus), Saturday, 3 December 2005 11:31 (twenty years ago)

So we learned, Don't fuck with NME. :rolleyes:

BeeOK (boo radley), Saturday, 3 December 2005 16:21 (twenty years ago)

surely people realise that a poll like this is a marketing exercise for the NME and not a democratic process? otherwise you'd expect, given the nature of music critics, the tail of the list to be full of very subjective entries.

eitherway it's a woefully narrow selection.

martin (martin), Saturday, 3 December 2005 18:43 (twenty years ago)

i'm fairly sure there hasn't been a single end-of-year chart in a single music magazine in history which hasn't been manipulated in some way. i just kinda took it as read that if loads of the choices didn't fit with the magazine's overall aesthetic, they'd be bumped down the chart before the final cut. sad but true, i guess, but not necessarily worth sweating over.

CharlieNo4 (Charlie), Sunday, 4 December 2005 16:31 (twenty years ago)

interesting quote from former nme staffer mate of mine:

"As regards the NME writers' poll, yep, it was always jigged when I was there. If it was a readers' poll I could understand the fuss, but when it's compiled by the writers, really, what's the problem? It certainly isn't anything to do with advertising or owt (or certainly wasn't when I was there). It's more to do with things like some people just forgetting certain albums came out sometimes and forgetting to vote for them, simple as that.

"It really is a lot of fuss about nowt. Where's the fuss about the Q albums of the year writers' poll? They gave it to Coldplay. That's funny, 'cos I'm sure they gave the writers' album award to Oasis at their awards a couple of months ago didn't they?"

CharlieNo4 (Charlie), Sunday, 4 December 2005 21:59 (twenty years ago)

WHAT DO FANS OF HOPE OF THE STATES THINK ABOUT ALL OF THIS?

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Sunday, 4 December 2005 22:02 (twenty years ago)

Q singles list:

100 Push The Button Sugababes

This really is just adding insult to injury.

2001 ws when the worm turned, no Avalanches (despite being an album of the month) and 11-20 was better then the top 10

...no. Great albums in the top ten: 3,4,7. Great albums in the next 10: 17.

Pual Whitehouse was at the Circulus gig last month! Okay, he was only there because Terry Edwards was in the support band.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Monday, 5 December 2005 09:19 (twenty years ago)

RE; ...no. Great albums in the top ten: 3,4,7. Great albums in the next 10: 17.

and 5,9 and 10 are useless where as 11,12,13,16 and 18 are better then 7 and 8.

MitchellStirling (MitchellStirling), Monday, 5 December 2005 09:46 (twenty years ago)

re. 'galvanize', great track obv, but i think the nme's review of the lp was based on the notion 'dance is dead'. no-one's saying the chemical bros are on the cutting edge, but oasis made their poll, so...

Theorry Henry (Enrique), Monday, 5 December 2005 09:56 (twenty years ago)

and 5,9 and 10 are useless where as 11,12,13,16 and 18 are better then 7 and 8.


Haha sorry, I meant 3,4,9. Andrew WK is useless?

I have no problem with your second sentence (apart form FUCK NO, ELBOW?? but you're probably used to that by now), but they all fall into the considerable gap between the Mercury Rev album and the lower reaches of Great.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Monday, 5 December 2005 10:26 (twenty years ago)

When are the NME Awards? Won't they have to give out the albums of year award to Bloc Party there?
I bet Arcade Fire don't turn up.

Last Of The Famous International Pfunkboys (Kerr), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 18:45 (twenty years ago)

Art Brut outheart you all.

conditionals, Friday, 9 December 2005 15:50 (twenty years ago)

re. 'galvanize', great track obv, but i think the nme's review of the lp was based on the notion 'dance is dead'.

I wonder if the record being crap may also have had any influence

DJ Mencap (DJ Mencap), Friday, 9 December 2005 16:32 (twenty years ago)

a logical conundrum, cos a) the track is not crap and b) the nme *likes* crap.

Theorry Henry (Enrique), Friday, 9 December 2005 16:44 (twenty years ago)

they only like crap rock not crap dance

Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Friday, 9 December 2005 16:52 (twenty years ago)

Autolux!! The only pleasant surprise in this entire thread.

billstevejim (billstevejim), Friday, 9 December 2005 18:15 (twenty years ago)

two weeks pass...
microdisney were irish and a great band. they spawned the awesome cathal coughlan. he started fatima mansions when m/d split. go back and re-listen to their stuff. i implore you.

chris shaw, Tuesday, 27 December 2005 18:15 (twenty years ago)


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