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Ghostface set to release new album "Fish Scale" in December (the title supposedly refers to the purest form of cocaine)

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And I have nothing to say about this album that is not contained in the thread title!

― Lukas (lukas), Sunday, 4 December 2005 00:05 (nineteen years ago)

http://machtalchemy.com/supah_funny_trasho_magic_halloween2005/jason_hangingout_with_ghostface_killah.JPG

― jaxon (jaxon), Sunday, 4 December 2005 01:31 (nineteen years ago)

who got dat jaxon laden weed?

― amon (eman), Sunday, 4 December 2005 02:05 (nineteen years ago)

Fuck... the.. frail shit
Uh, cuz when my coke come in
They gotta use the scales that they weigh the whales with

A fish scale is what one uses to weigh coke with.

I never thought i'd say this but i'm a tad bored with the whole coke/mafioso rap thing. I'd rather Ghostface continue the righteous thug persona of "pretty toney" but perhaps add some of the of "supreme clientele" styled lyrical craziness than revert back to '95 "only built for cuban linx" coked out steez. If you've heard those weak new Raekwon tracks with the same ol' tired Scarface samples for "only bulit for cuban linx 2" then you'll know what i mean. I like to hear Ghost threatening and talking shit about other rappers on tracks and sex, drugs, money and guns are the 4 elementz of this rap shit, yo, but what i really wanna hear is more tracks like "childs play", "the sun", "holla", "love" and "my guitar"..tracks that only someone like Ghostface can do without them coming off trite. Certainly more interesting in '05 than another Gotti/Montana fantasy which he did to perfection years ago and has been played out by every shitbird N.Y rapper fronting like they sold coke for Alpo or Supreme on mixtapes since then.

I was feelin' his verse on A.Z's "new york" with Raekwon but the other new tracks of his i've heard haven't really hit me like Ghostface tracks usually do. Not sure if it's him or me, though.

― ELLI$, Sunday, 4 December 2005 13:01 (nineteen years ago)

Busy month for him, this comes out this week:

GHOSTFACE KILLAH-Put It On The Line 2LP/CD+DVD (Full Clip/FCM6001)
“Ghostface is back killing ‘em in the ‘05! Teamed up with the furious stylings of Trife Da God, Wu-Tang’s Wally Champ is taking heads with a 2LP/CD+DVD aptly titled Put It On The Line. The 2LP/CD features murderous material strapped with the grimy beats and ruthless deliveries that earned them the legion of fans that this disc was designed for. Although Ghost and Trife are all the listener needs, Kool G Rap swings through for a quick clinic on how to annihilate the marks and the narcs. Other guests include Raekwon, Slick Rick, and The RZA. On the DVD [with the CD only], you can witness over 40 plus minutes of live footage featuring Ghostface performing in NYC at BB King’s in early October 2005 (that’s right, October of this year) with the GZA, Cappadona, Masta Killah, Trife Da God, and many more Wu-Henchmen! Tony Starks is here!�

― Vic Funk, Sunday, 4 December 2005 13:43 (nineteen years ago)

Doom is on a track.

― Leeroy, Sunday, 4 December 2005 21:41 (nineteen years ago)

Ellis pretty much otm

― Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Monday, 5 December 2005 03:18 (nineteen years ago)

ain't comin' out in December, hell I'll be surprised if it drops first quarter 06

― Al (sitcom), Monday, 5 December 2005 04:06 (nineteen years ago)

There's been like no promo and (not surprisingly) the (sorta okay) single prod. by Pete Rock is underperforming. Compared to "Tush." Which also underperformed. It's all relative.

― deej.. (deej..), Monday, 5 December 2005 07:27 (nineteen years ago)

does anyone know what the sample is for Tush? after i walked away from him not really saying more than "hey, what are you doing in town? cool, well just wanted to say i'm a fan", i shoulda asked him that question

― jaxon (jaxon), Monday, 5 December 2005 07:43 (nineteen years ago)

elli$ - OTM

― okok, Monday, 5 December 2005 13:26 (nineteen years ago)

three weeks pass...
4CAST Limited presents 1,000 Limited Edition
hand-numbered Ghostface Killah 9" Vinyl Figures.

Each Ghostface Killah doll includes:

- Real 14 karat gold chain
- Real GFK Robe
- Gold Chalice with Swarovski crystals
- Each doll will include a Ghostface Killah Doll mixtape dy a world-famous DJ tba
- Real 14 karat gold avenging eagle accessory (extra)
- Each collector will have a 1 in 500 chance to spend a day with Ghostface Killah himself
- Each Doll will come in a limited edition gold sealed box
- Ghostface Killah is fully involved in all aspects of the project from manufacturing to promotion
- Each Doll speaks original recordings of Ghostface Killah catch-phrases

http://www.theghostfacedoll.com/main.html

― DR. O. RLY? (eman), Tuesday, 27 December 2005 21:01 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.theghostfacedoll.com/images/gallery/images/doll.jpghttp://www.theghostfacedoll.com/images/gallery/images/doll3.jpg

??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

― DR. O. RLY? (eman), Tuesday, 27 December 2005 21:04 (nineteen years ago)

??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

― DR. O. RLY? (eman), Tuesday, 27 December 2005 21:14 (nineteen years ago)

http://home.comcast.net/~muscletoys/pinkpack.jpg

― DR. O. RLY? (eman), Tuesday, 27 December 2005 21:21 (nineteen years ago)

Def Jam says the album's coming out at the end of February now.

I thought Jay-Z promised him a bunch of promo and no revolving release dates and so on?

― Erick Dampier is better than Shaq (miloaukerman), Tuesday, 27 December 2005 21:32 (nineteen years ago)

i always thought that fishscale cocaine referred to the best coke because the best coke has that scaly, glistening quality to it. otherwise, i agree with ellis.

...and we'll be lucky to see the album in february.

― s>c>, Tuesday, 27 December 2005 22:30 (nineteen years ago)

four weeks pass...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v302/kris_stivers/ghostface.jpg

Ohhhhhh, THAT'S the kind of fishscale he meant.

― deej.. (deej..), Wednesday, 25 January 2006 03:22 (nineteen years ago)

NICE!

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 25 January 2006 04:16 (nineteen years ago)

Great cover.

― Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Friday, 27 January 2006 01:20 (nineteen years ago)

So he's officially re-added the Killah, then?

― telephone thing, Friday, 27 January 2006 01:56 (nineteen years ago)

thats some cheesy ass def jam-type shit alrite

― |l|l|l|l|l|l|l|l|l|l|l|l|l|l|l|l|l|l|l|l|l|l|l|l|l|l|l|l|l|l|l|l|l|l|l|l|l| (ema, Friday, 27 January 2006 03:12 (nineteen years ago)

i was gonna say, it's kinda 1990-looking.

― stockholm cindy (winter version) (Jody Beth Rosen), Friday, 27 January 2006 03:15 (nineteen years ago)

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B000E97HB2.01._SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg

...is what's on Amazon (US). I have to admit I like the one with the fish a hell of a lot more.

― telephone thing, Tuesday, 31 January 2006 21:10 (nineteen years ago)

The first one has a much better hat on. He looks more like a cokehead than a cokedealer in the second.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 21:13 (nineteen years ago)

the typography of fishScale is kinda mesmerizing

― Thomas Tallis (Tommy), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 21:19 (nineteen years ago)

He needs THE GIANT FURRY HAT from the "Run" video!

I like the first cover better even if its a bit grainy.

― R. J. Greene, Tuesday, 31 January 2006 21:19 (nineteen years ago)

dood the first cover is SO MUCH BETTER gimmeabreak

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 21:22 (nineteen years ago)

take the typography of the first and slap it on the second

― |l|l|l|l|l|l|l|l|l|l|l|l|l|l|l|l|l|l|l|l|l|l|l|l|l| (eman), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 03:43 (nineteen years ago)

I disagree - the gaff and knife are great.

― Austin Still (Austin, Still), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 03:45 (nineteen years ago)

two weeks pass...
i want to hear this so bad
http://www.villagevoice.com/blogs/statusainthood/archives/2006/02/preview_ghostfa_1.php

― Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Monday, 20 February 2006 21:29 (nineteen years ago)

just got the Theodore Unit album yesterday - thx for the rec guys, good shit.

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 20 February 2006 22:19 (nineteen years ago)

have you heard "put it on the line" shakey?

― regular roundups (Dave M), Monday, 20 February 2006 22:24 (nineteen years ago)

even if gutting fish was the cover, it would still run a distant third to shopping for clown-colored loafers and Chef flipping an omelette in a silk robe the morning after.

― Beta (abeta), Monday, 20 February 2006 23:00 (nineteen years ago)

haha

― SnakeShit ;] (eman), Monday, 20 February 2006 23:07 (nineteen years ago)

I met Ghostface Killah about two weeks ago. For a man who goes by the name "Ghostface Killah," he was most cordial.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 20 February 2006 23:34 (nineteen years ago)

God, I am so stoked for this album!! I hope it delivers.

― Harpal (harpal), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 01:40 (nineteen years ago)

How much money would I pay for the dvd of Ghost talking about his songs? (Not much, but I'd think it would be a hoot.)

― Englebert Humperdinck Fan Club President (R. J. Greene), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 04:37 (nineteen years ago)

one of my fave moments was when i was backstage at the Jay-Z farewell show at MSG, watching Mary J. sing. realized i was also smack dab between Pharrell on one side and Ghost on the other. he had on a hubcap-sized Jesus medallion and a purp robe with Theo Dini scripted across it.

― Beta (abeta), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 14:59 (nineteen years ago)

see, all these names they come up with. they're perfect. i wish i was called Theo Dini for chrissakes

i'd pay for ghost babbling about his songs

― rizzx (Rizz), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 15:29 (nineteen years ago)

good VV article. made me hungry for jerk chicken + booze + ghostface.

― Lukas (lukas), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 17:59 (nineteen years ago)

That is a deadly combo Lukas. Alex I am jealous xxxxxxxxpost.

― regular roundups (Dave M), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 18:23 (nineteen years ago)

Alittle disappointed on this one.
There are a few good songs (kilos, be easy, a few others) but the rest seems pretty weak and unfinished.
I was hoping it would kill after all the hype.
Not feeling the MF DOOM beats. I hope he didn't pay much for the samples because they are pretty boring loops and chops.
I think it's spotty like all ghostface albums.
One day he'll make a great greatest hits album.

Also, give me the first cover.

― hit ihd n, Monday, 27 February 2006 01:10 (nineteen years ago)

I strongly disagree with you, I think it's his best album since "Ironman", and thats from listening to 14 of the (supposed) 19.

"The Champ", "Can Can", "Shakey Dot", "9 Mill Bros", "Kilos", all classic. I like every song (except the chorus to "Back Like That", but it's growing on me) and would definitely say that it's my personal favourite Ghostface album so far.

But each to their own.

― Erock LAzron, Monday, 27 February 2006 01:54 (nineteen years ago)

And yeah, the first cover is better

― Erock LAzron, Monday, 27 February 2006 01:54 (nineteen years ago)

lol @ "best since Ironman"

This will be really really overhyped but I do like the song about how he used to get a belt to the backside, that shit is good. I don't like how he fell into indie producer doldrums, it was better when he was doing his own thing.

I ran a mile to Daytona 500 today. SC is still his best.

― deej.. (deej..), Monday, 27 February 2006 02:36 (nineteen years ago)

I do like the song about how he used to get a belt to the backside, that shit is good.

this is on Jay Dee's Donuts as "One For Ghost". i loved it then, but didnt' pay attention to the song title. makes sense now

― team jaxon (jaxon), Monday, 27 February 2006 04:42 (nineteen years ago)

I said "Best since Ironman" because "Supreme Clientele" doesn't really do it for me as an album. It's decent, but not the Ghost album I'd put on first if I had to pick one.

― Erock LAzron, Monday, 27 February 2006 04:45 (nineteen years ago)

b-b-but Pretty Toney!

― Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Monday, 27 February 2006 04:48 (nineteen years ago)

this is on Jay Dee's Donuts as "One For Ghost". i loved it then, but didnt' pay attention to the song title. makes sense now

Although the beat is good, its definitely Ghost that makes this one for me; this is like his All That I Got Is You-childhood details moments that sound so incredibly powerful, clearly his unique voice in the narrative, but its got a narrative.

― deej.. (deej..), Monday, 27 February 2006 04:55 (nineteen years ago)

Alittle disappointed on this one.
There are a few good songs (kilos, be easy, a few others) but the rest seems pretty weak and unfinished.
I was hoping it would kill after all the hype.
Not feeling the MF DOOM beats. I hope he didn't pay much for the samples because they are pretty boring loops and chops.
I think it's spotty like all ghostface albums.
One day he'll make a great greatest hits album.
Also, give me the first cover.

-- hit ihd n (jvfhjdh...), February 26th, 2006.

Dude, the leaked bootleg isn't the finished product. It's not mixed or even all of the songs. They're not the final versions, either. I think you should wait for the retail before you write it off.

― Harpal (harpal), Monday, 27 February 2006 07:12 (nineteen years ago)

c/d dismissing an unfinished leak as 'unfinished.'

― deej.. (deej..), Monday, 27 February 2006 07:26 (nineteen years ago)

Is the 1:19 version I have of "Charlie Brown" the whole thing? My favorite track I've heard so far.

― Englebert Humperdinck Fan Club President (R. J. Greene), Monday, 27 February 2006 07:27 (nineteen years ago)

the "charlie brown" I have is real short & has someone saying "this is a preview" over instro bits, don't think that's the whole thing. maybe you have something different

― Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Monday, 27 February 2006 16:14 (nineteen years ago)

From what I've heard (same as hit ihd n I think) it's another 50/50 Ghostface album. Tony was bad, Wallets was a bit better, and the first 2 are classic. This might slip somewhere between Wallets / Tony. He doesn't suit Doom-style beats. He's lost a lot of his slang, which was what made him interesting (with rae, at least). The new Dom Pachino album is better, actually.

― paulhw (paulhw), Monday, 27 February 2006 22:14 (nineteen years ago)

I didnt realize anyone hated Pretty Toney! I don't think its his best but I'm curious what about it bothers you so much?

I think the pre-release Bulletproof Wallets is incredible.

― deej.. (deej..), Monday, 27 February 2006 22:21 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah it's not even leaked yet.

The thing that leaked is a mixtape with only about 4 tracks from the actual album. And word is that it is unmastered.

― Hairy Asshurt (Toaster), Monday, 27 February 2006 22:21 (nineteen years ago)

Pretty Toney may be my favorite Ghostface actually (close between that and Supreme Clientele) - Wallets seems like the weakest to me, and I'm pissed the version I have has the incorrect track listing and no Slick Rick...

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 27 February 2006 23:06 (nineteen years ago)

Its hard to avoid the conclusion that what has elevated Ghost above his Wu brethren in terms of rep and acclaim is his work ethic. The rest of 'em all seem lazy by comparison, Ghost just keeps moving, keeps recording, keeps working with new people - don't get me wrong I think he's an absolutely amazing MC, just sayin he shines a little brighter cuz he seems to try so much harder.

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 27 February 2006 23:08 (nineteen years ago)

Pretty Toney may be my favorite Ghostface actually (close between that and Supreme Clientele) - Wallets seems like the weakest to me

yeah

― team jaxon (jaxon), Monday, 27 February 2006 23:13 (nineteen years ago)

there's an untitled track on the version i have produced by MF that i think is rad. it's all droney-synthy. i know trife (or whoever, i can't keep up w/everyone's names anymore) is over his crying rap style, but he pulls it hard on this one. real energetic. one of my fave tracks on the album (i've only listened to it once so far though).

― team jaxon (jaxon), Monday, 27 February 2006 23:16 (nineteen years ago)

Hmm you sure that's Trife? He's never really done the crying thing. Deej, I don't like Toney fopr various reasons. It starts badly: Kunta Fly Shit is just bad, the Beat the Clock beat is boring, and later on, Ghostface is abysmal (worst hook ever). The sequencing doesn't work too well either.
I agree that the pre-release Wallets is a lost classic. There are so many tracks from that period (and Pretty Toney) that should've been released (Ghost Heard It Before, The Splash, Wise...)

― paulhw (paulhw), Monday, 27 February 2006 23:24 (nineteen years ago)

I don't agree with any of that!
(well I haven't heard anything beyond proper releases, so nolo contendre on the "Lost Wallets" thing - hah, someone should bootleg it under that title)

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 27 February 2006 23:33 (nineteen years ago)

Hmm you sure that's Trife? He's never really done the crying thing.

i meant ILM poster trife (ethan)

― team jaxon (jaxon), Monday, 27 February 2006 23:37 (nineteen years ago)

What's the tracklist for the original Bulletproof Wallets? I have "The Sun" & "The Watch". Was anything else removed?

― Englebert Humperdinck Fan Club President (R. J. Greene), Monday, 27 February 2006 23:53 (nineteen years ago)

"I don't like how he fell into indie producer doldrums, it was better when he was doing his own thing."

Totally agree 100%

Ghostface should do a whole album of nothing under 110bpms-just that fast raw shit.
I don't even need hooks. Just attck the mic Ghostdini! haha

Then he should do a album of just crying over whole R&B songs.

BTW ghost is a real cool guy if you ever meet him.

― hit it, Tuesday, 28 February 2006 04:20 (nineteen years ago)

He's one of my favourite MCs ever, so I don't think it's just his workrate that puts him ahead of the rest of the Wu - and he is, for me, and many of you know how deeply I love them. That emotional style over old sweet soul, and the sense of rushed urgency on the faster numbers, are both like no one else.

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 12:28 (nineteen years ago)

paulhw, you are nuts. "ghostface" is pretty much the best track that isn't "keisha's house" or "tooken back" (lyrically) and it's got the only beat w/ the street rap sizzle

― vahid (vahid), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 19:00 (nineteen years ago)

Isn't Kunta Fly Shit like one minute long?

― deej.. (deej..), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 19:03 (nineteen years ago)

it completely changes beats about a minute in (unless I'm confused and they really are two separate tracks...?) Kinda like that "Buck 50" track on Supreme Clientele.

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 19:05 (nineteen years ago)

(never mind, deej is right - I'm transposing Biscuits and Kunta Fly Shit onto each other)

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 19:07 (nineteen years ago)

"Beat the Clock" is the one with the siren right? Ghost is good on that one if its the one I'm thinking of.

― deej.. (deej..), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 19:08 (nineteen years ago)

you're thinking of "Run" with Jada. (which is indeed awesome - runnin on the gravel sounds, etc.)

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 19:12 (nineteen years ago)

There's a "run" theme in the album sorta climaxing with that track - least that's how I hear it. Go Ghost.

― Lukas (lukas), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 19:19 (nineteen years ago)

no no I know "Run" of course, that was the single - I'm thinking of something else.

― deej.. (deej..), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 19:34 (nineteen years ago)

OK I remember beat the clock, its not a highlight I guess but its good enough. Its the one where he says he's against abortion.

― deej.. (deej..), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 19:38 (nineteen years ago)

occasional ilxor pistol pete's "run" remix >> "run" original

― vahid (vahid), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 20:05 (nineteen years ago)

best line on "pretty toney" (from "ghostface") = "i'm like a green and white kickball, i bounce"

― vahid (vahid), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 20:06 (nineteen years ago)

The Pistol Pete remix is good but I think it sounds too Moby for me to like it more than the original.

― deej.. (deej..), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 20:11 (nineteen years ago)

my favorite line = "LIKE the ANGry CRIPpled MAN don't PUSH me."

― deej.. (deej..), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 20:12 (nineteen years ago)

moby has ruined all pre-wwii afam music for the future!!

― vahid (vahid), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 20:15 (nineteen years ago)

if you relace moby w/ "chilled electronica", it's sorta true. i'm ok if i never hear ella fitzgerald ever again.

― vahid (vahid), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 20:16 (nineteen years ago)

haha

― deej.. (deej..), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 20:17 (nineteen years ago)

stop this please.

― rizzx (Rizz), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 21:58 (nineteen years ago)

can we talk abt cassius?

― vahid (vahid), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 22:57 (nineteen years ago)

"Thrilla" is good. I wish ghost did more songs like it. That was Cassius right?

― deej.. (deej..), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 23:24 (nineteen years ago)

favorite PT line - "Brothers around here stick together like cheap rice, so run little doggie!"

― Erick Dampier is better than Shaq (miloaukerman), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 01:17 (nineteen years ago)

"I work magic at a liquor store / give me a dollar and I'll turn that bitch into five, then all I need is one more / to get things started / get retarded / a-one-two, I'm-a fix these artists"

― armalite roffle (haitch), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 01:46 (nineteen years ago)

"Word to Met Life / Toney got insurance on his mic / Smoke mad shit and still got endurance when he fights"

― Englebert Humperdinck Fan Club President (R. J. Greene), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 06:26 (nineteen years ago)

New Yorker's Sasha Frere-Jones top 2006 cds on his blog. He's got the new Ghost, and has it at #2

http://www.sashafrerejones.com/2005/12/best_of_2006.html

ALBUMS
1. Yeah Yeah Yeahs “Show Your Bones” (Interscope)
2. Ghostface “Fishscale” (Def Jam)
3. Arctic Monkeys “Whatever People Say I Am, That's What I'm Not” (Domino)
4. Tom Ze “Estudando o Pagode” (Luaka Bop/V2)
5. Jamey Johnson “The Dollar” (BNA)
6. Young Jeezy “DJ Drama Presents Can’t Ban The Snowman” (mixunit.com)
7. Sibylle Baier “Colour Green” (Orange Twin)
8. The Ladies “They Mean Us” (Temporary Residence)

― curmudgeon (DC Steve), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 13:28 (nineteen years ago)

"he's basically a paedophile"

― RJG (RJG), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 13:57 (nineteen years ago)


i don't know if this is old news to you folks, but someone forwarded this over to me today:

Ghostface's myspace

it looks like he's doing a myspace only "internet mixtape" to drive interest in the upcoming album. the kilo song sounds pretty good.

shit i sound like a viral marketer here

― midi sanskrit (sanskrit), Monday, 6 March 2006 22:33 (nineteen years ago)

http://s53.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=0GZLLWD1TLUPM0YJLNACLAH9M2

― gf, Monday, 6 March 2006 23:20 (nineteen years ago)

that's the mixtape

― Hairy Asshurt (Toaster), Monday, 6 March 2006 23:34 (nineteen years ago)

i just listened to the songs on that myspace page, most of it is just older verses ("Ooh Wee", "Set it off") over known beats. plus "Kilo" and "Back like that" which are already available everywhere.. and the second verse from Track 1 is from the song "Champion" produced by Just Blaze, off Fishscale.

― Guy Incognito (Guy Incognito), Monday, 6 March 2006 23:37 (nineteen years ago)

what mixtape is it? it's not the one on myspace and it's not anything else i've seen before.

― jhoshea (scoopsnoodle), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 00:09 (nineteen years ago)

It's the one that leaked to oink and other places about a week or two ago. It's pretty good.

not sure about track names or mixtape name

― Hairy Asshurt (Toaster), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 00:16 (nineteen years ago)

heh, it's not a mixtape, it's the 14 leaked tracks from Fishscale..

― Guy Incognito (Guy Incognito), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 00:24 (nineteen years ago)

It's definitely the mixtape.

― Hairy Asshurt (Toaster), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 00:32 (nineteen years ago)

And in a darkened room somewhere sits Orson, unable to post to this thread, pulling his hair out in frustration.

― Last Of The Famous International Pfunkboys (Kerr), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 00:33 (nineteen years ago)

this explains the Ghostface/Green Lantern internet mixtape thing:
http://www.mtv.com/bands/m/mixtape_monday/030606/

― Alex in Baltimore (Alex in Baltimore), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 01:10 (nineteen years ago)

ghostface: grumpy old man

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9tKnbF_hZfs

― jhoshea (scoopsnoodle), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 01:48 (nineteen years ago)

retail has leaked.

― Harpal (harpal), Thursday, 16 March 2006 07:33 (nineteen years ago)

this shit is fucking FIRE.

― Harpal (harpal), Thursday, 16 March 2006 07:50 (nineteen years ago)

I bought the pre-order today. don't hate, anticipate!

― tremendoid (tremendoid), Thursday, 16 March 2006 08:31 (nineteen years ago)

yeah, i pre-ordered it as well.

― Harpal (harpal), Thursday, 16 March 2006 11:22 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.newyorker.com/critics/music/articles/060320crmu_music

― Raymond Cummings (Raymond Cummings), Thursday, 16 March 2006 12:52 (nineteen years ago)

Judgin' from what i've heard of this i now wish he'd go back to played out mafioso coke rhymes than what he's currently doing.

Megalon-rain blood > the Ghostface joint where M.F Doom sold him the "rain blood" beat on this album.

― MR PERFECT, Thursday, 16 March 2006 13:39 (nineteen years ago)

That "murder goons" track i heard on some mixtape or blog is very dope though.

― MR PERFECT, Thursday, 16 March 2006 13:43 (nineteen years ago)

The New Yorker piece says FS has 23 tracks. Some must be skits, but that's nearly double the number of the leaked version from a few weeks back.

― cracktivity1 (cracktivity1), Thursday, 16 March 2006 14:32 (nineteen years ago)

1. The Return Of Clyde Smith (Skit)
2. Shakey Dog
3. Kilo featuring Raekwon
4. The Champ
5. Major Operation (Skit)
6. 9 Milli Bros. featuring Wu Tang Clan
7. Beauty Jackson
8. Heart Street Directions (Skit)
9. Columbus Exchange (Skit) / Crack Spot
10. R.A.G.U. featuring Raekwon
11. Bad Mouth Kid (Skit)
12. Whip You With A Strap
13. Back Like That featuring Ne-Yo
14. Be Easy featuring Trife
15. Clipse Of Doom featuring Trife
16. Jellyfish featuring Theodore Unit (Capadonna, Shawn Wigs & Trife)
17. Dogs Of War featuring Raekwon & Theodore Unit (Trife, Capadonna & Sun God)
18. Barbershop
19. Ms. Sweetwater (Skit)
20. Big Girl
21. Underwater
22. The Ironman Takeover (Skit)
23. Momma featuring Megan Rochell
24. **BONUS TRACK ** Three Bricks featuring The Notorious B.I.G. & Raekwon

7 skits?!%@

― o -- (eman), Thursday, 16 March 2006 14:48 (nineteen years ago)

who will be the first to put out a "greatest skits" album?

― o -- (eman), Thursday, 16 March 2006 14:49 (nineteen years ago)

One positive is that some Ghostface skits on his recent albums have tended to be dope interlude tracks ("jealousy", "last night" etc)

― MR PERFECT, Thursday, 16 March 2006 15:04 (nineteen years ago)

three bricks has been doin the mixtape rounds for a month now - its wack

ellis i dont wanna hear your mf doom nerd ass tryna son me for underground rap ever again

― ,,,,,,,,,,,, Thursday, 16 March 2006 15:21 (nineteen years ago)

posthumous tracks = wack in general

― o -- (eman), Thursday, 16 March 2006 15:27 (nineteen years ago)

nah better dayz & born again are pretty dope

― ,,,,,,,,,,,,, Thursday, 16 March 2006 15:29 (nineteen years ago)

Some underground rap was good, especially when it was being made by dudes i grew up on in the early 90s.

"Operation doomsday" is a 90s indie rap classic, on some old Ron G blends tape shit. Sade over "poetry" by BDP on "doomsday" was genius.

― MR PERFECT, Thursday, 16 March 2006 15:36 (nineteen years ago)

¿Dónde es "Charlie Brown"?

― A Licky Boom Boom Down (R. J. Greene), Thursday, 16 March 2006 23:00 (nineteen years ago)

word is its going to be on the ghost + mf doom album coming out on nature sounds

― charlie bucket (charlie bucket), Thursday, 16 March 2006 23:21 (nineteen years ago)

last night i sketched out in my head my essay on how "gorilla hood" reasserts the primacy of art among man's endeavors.

― Lukas (lukas), Thursday, 16 March 2006 23:24 (nineteen years ago)

has anyone actually listened to "Put It On The Line"? what the fuck is wrong with us? why are we arguing about album covers?

― Lukas (lukas), Thursday, 16 March 2006 23:27 (nineteen years ago)

word is its going to be on the ghost + mf doom album coming out on nature sounds
-- charlie bucket (ifoundthegoldenticke...), March 16th, 2006.

I'm guessing that means they couldn't clear the sample.

― A Licky Boom Boom Down (R. J. Greene), Thursday, 16 March 2006 23:30 (nineteen years ago)

I haven't heard "Put It On the Line" yet, but I am def. enamored of the first Theodore Unit album

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 16 March 2006 23:50 (nineteen years ago)

Lukas, Put It On the Line is ace! I voted for it in the best albums of last year poll, but no more love was shown, I think. Seriously, it is really great. And it's got "the sun" and "the watch" at the end of it. The concert DVD it comes with is also a lot of fun, e.g. "put on the blue light.... our parents used to fuck offa shit like this," "this is my son, this nigga came out my dick."

― regular roundups (Dave M), Friday, 17 March 2006 00:20 (nineteen years ago)

!!!

sweet. it's on the list.

― Lukas (lukas), Friday, 17 March 2006 00:22 (nineteen years ago)

trife is great on it too.

― regular roundups (Dave M), Friday, 17 March 2006 00:29 (nineteen years ago)

wanna share your essay thoughts?

― regular roundups (Dave M), Friday, 17 March 2006 00:31 (nineteen years ago)

ha! i may have oversold it ... but the main points have something to do with Ghost simultaneously declaring war on the enemies of new york and reasserting his identity as a guerrilla warrior.

remember that after 9/11 the whole guerrilla/lone outlaw/etc archetype had a steep drop in popularity. i remember after 9/11 reading one commentator seriously assert that we could no longer tell kids stories about Robin Hood.

hell i'm waiting for the backlash against V for Vendetta and its "government should be afraid of the people" tagline. this track was probably recorded mid-2003, right? that was pretty early to be like "yeah, fuck al qaida, but fuck a 5-0 too". and that guerrilla warrior persona feels right for Ghost, fits with the anarchic street hustle he raps about and the anarchic - but brilliantly deployed and supple - play with words and images that drew us to the guy in the first place.

― Lukas (lukas), Friday, 17 March 2006 00:59 (nineteen years ago)

similarly, I've always thought Ghost's post-9/11 verse on "Rulez" was fucking amazing

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 17 March 2006 01:10 (nineteen years ago)

nice, Lukas. you're totally right about the guerrilla warrior persona fitting him well. but didn't you say something about art?

― regular roundups (Dave M), Friday, 17 March 2006 03:07 (nineteen years ago)

This is a very nice rap album. Thank you for your contribution, Mr. Coles.

― jonas lefrel (jonas lefrel), Friday, 17 March 2006 14:44 (nineteen years ago)

but didn't you say something about art?

Uh, yeah, I think my argument was going to be something like "because it's awesome." Not sure.

Actually - so Ghost reclaims his city (from terror) and his right to define the meaning of the lone assassin image (from a stifling cultural environment - and to be clear, it's not that gangsta rap disappeared after 9/11, but that no one else I'm aware of made this same juxtaposition.) He succeeds because the track is so astonishing - but the track is as good as it is because it ties both points together, not artificially, but by showing them as two aspects of a single truth. The license artists have to speak without being guided by reason lets them draw connections others can't. An essayist could make a series of arguments toward the same end, but to make the point come across as an organic emotional unity, they would have to bend their writing toward art, because only artists have the power to reconfigure perception in that way.

― Lukas (lukas), Friday, 17 March 2006 19:07 (nineteen years ago)

Very nice.

― regular roundups (Dave M), Friday, 17 March 2006 19:36 (nineteen years ago)

"similarly, I've always thought Ghost's post-9/11 verse on "Rulez" was fucking amazing"

How exactly is Ghost shooting down planes over his hood (and presumably then seeing them crash into his people's homes) going to help anything? Rappers are great but don't ever take seriously a word they say.

― Trill, Saturday, 18 March 2006 09:51 (nineteen years ago)

uh, right. there are these things called "metaphors" and "similes", maybe you've heard of them...?


Anyway I listened to about half of a dl'd copy last night - super-impressed so far!!

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 20 March 2006 20:13 (nineteen years ago)

You can preorder it from Amazon US for $7. Which I have done.

― pdf (Phil Freeman), Monday, 20 March 2006 20:47 (nineteen years ago)

it's very good... but no surprises. he has a formula, it works.

― bugged out, Monday, 20 March 2006 20:50 (nineteen years ago)

thanks for that tip phil!

― rizzx (Rizz), Monday, 20 March 2006 21:25 (nineteen years ago)

Anyone else going to see him in Seattle tonight?

― A Licky Boom Boom Down (R. J. Greene), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 19:33 (nineteen years ago)

hey can you post a little review of how good/bad it is. i'm debating if i should go see him on monday

― charlie bucket (charlie bucket), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 19:46 (nineteen years ago)

ghostface's SXSW show was pretty decent. some weird tension going on between the guy(manager?) wearing the FISHSCALE sweatshirt and the DJ, though. he kept telling the DJ to cut tracks right after he would start them up and he actually reached up to the mixer at one point and turned off the beat himself! weird vibe, i almost wondered if he had a gun at the DJ's back at points. he was standing right behind the DJ for most of the first half of the show w/ a very serious look on his face. then he went backstage and you could tell that he was really stoned when he came back out, all smiles and giggles. there were some funny moments after that where he was pacing around the back part of the stage and mouthing some of the lines he knew while making the appropriate hand motions..and then you'd see him kind of look up and catch himself. i found it amusing, at least. as for the show, they mostly stuck to solo ghostface material but they did do a bit from 'triumph' and 'C.R.E.A.M.'

oh, and there was a section where ghost sat down and talked about growing up poor for about 10 minutes. it was interesting for the first bit, then it got kind of rambly and repetitive. you could tell he was pretty baked, though

― 6335, Tuesday, 21 March 2006 21:27 (nineteen years ago)

Wierd.....

xpost to Mr. Bucket: sure thing

― A Licky Boom Boom Down (R. J. Greene), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 23:56 (nineteen years ago)

I've felt ripped off at so many bad hip-hop shows... but I love Ghost so much... really the only great live set I ever saw was from Slick Rick (not counting more turntablist-oriented shows)

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 22 March 2006 00:07 (nineteen years ago)

The Ghostface show that I saw at SXSW was pretty amazing, man. I'm guessing that you saw the show at La Zona Rosa, because I saw the one in the Fader tent, and it sounds like it went down a lot differently, and they didn't do "CREAM" or "Triumph" in that set.

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Wednesday, 22 March 2006 07:06 (nineteen years ago)

Shakey, you really should go see Ghostface!

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Wednesday, 22 March 2006 07:07 (nineteen years ago)

yeah, i saw him at la zona rosa after lady sovereign. don't get me wrong, i thought it was pretty good aside from the weird vibe between FISHSCALE man and the DJ. they only did pieces from 'C.R.E.A.M.' and 'triumph'...i'm not sure if they played ANY full songs, actually. i would go see him again, if given the chance.

― 6335, Wednesday, 22 March 2006 07:17 (nineteen years ago)

Awesome album, good flow to it. So many standout tracks too -

Nine Milli Bros, Underwater, Shakey Dog, The Champ, Kilo, R.A.G.U, Dogs of War, Barbershop, Beauty Jackson, etc.

Seriously, I am playing the shit out of this. Definitely my favourite Ghostface album, it's slinking past "Ironman" as we speak.

Craaaaaaazy

― Erock LAzron, Wednesday, 22 March 2006 07:23 (nineteen years ago)

He's playing NYC with Slick Rick on 4/22. I will be there.

― pdf (Phil Freeman), Wednesday, 22 March 2006 12:09 (nineteen years ago)

The set I saw in the Fader tent had a mix of incomplete songs and tracks performed more or less in full, maybe skipping a verse by someone who wasn't there. Strangely enough, the only Wu-Tang songs performed did not include verses by Ghostface, so Ghost and Trife were rapping parts by RZA, GZA, Meth, Deck, ODB, etc. It was interesting. When they did "Cherchez La Ghost," Ghostface rapped U-God's verse too.

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Wednesday, 22 March 2006 15:08 (nineteen years ago)

"NYC with Slick Rick on 4/22"

!!!!! AHHHHHHH!!!

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 22 March 2006 17:21 (nineteen years ago)

I think M1 from Dead Prez is on the NYC bill as well! I'm ridiculously excited for that show.

Fishscale is knocking me out right now.

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Wednesday, 22 March 2006 19:10 (nineteen years ago)

Dirty Hartz from Baltimore are on the bill for that show for some reason too, Verb from DH (who was on 106 & Park Freestyle Fridays) is probably the single greatest freestyler I've ever seen.

― Alex in Baltimore (Alex in Baltimore), Wednesday, 22 March 2006 19:16 (nineteen years ago)

I'm a Bulldozer, with a WRECKING BALL ATTACHED !

― Erock Lazron, Thursday, 23 March 2006 01:37 (nineteen years ago)

Classic: Ghost's show...The man's stage presence literally takes up half the stage itself...No wierd vibe between manager and DJ. (Is that one shady white dude still his manager?)

Dud: Getting your car locked in the parking garage that closed at midnight.

― A Licky Boom Boom Down (R. J. Greene), Thursday, 23 March 2006 03:42 (nineteen years ago)

"Be nice to the crackheads!!!"

Hey, does anyone here know what the source of the music sample is for "Kilo"? It sounds really familiar, and I love it.

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Friday, 24 March 2006 00:50 (nineteen years ago)

Wow. Fucking wow. I think I'm spending more time with it paused so I can do happy dances around my house without missing anything than actual listening. I was kind of expecting it to be good but lukewarm based on the songs I'd heard and my total indifference to Put It On The Line, but this is just awesome. I definitely like the songs I'd heard more in the context of the album than on their own.

― A Licky Boom Boom Down (R. J. Greene), Tuesday, 28 March 2006 20:09 (nineteen years ago)

I think this is a neat-o record.

― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Tuesday, 28 March 2006 20:24 (nineteen years ago)

finally listened to the whole thing closely - its awesome, maybe a little long. the Biggie track is eh. The Wu-Tang one is bangin.

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 28 March 2006 20:30 (nineteen years ago)

i've been listening to fishscale a lot recently - i just realized that in bad mouth kid he threatens to have his son beat up another little kid and in back like that to have his girl cousins do the same to his cheating girlfriend.

i love the way his mind works.

― jhoshea (scoopsnoodle), Tuesday, 28 March 2006 20:34 (nineteen years ago)

he threatens to have his son beat up another little kid

"I repeat, when I die my seed will be ill like me."

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Tuesday, 28 March 2006 21:40 (nineteen years ago)

I gotta go get this now, clearly.
Making an effort to see that Nokia show, holy fuck that sounds tasty.

― Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 29 March 2006 06:15 (nineteen years ago)

Tofu, if you get a ticket, let me know, I'll meet you there.

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Wednesday, 29 March 2006 06:31 (nineteen years ago)

Hit me offline, Matt; let's talk over resources and such.

― Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 29 March 2006 06:38 (nineteen years ago)

Just saw ghost in Tempe and I cannot lose my boner
and the man signed my clarks

― Lee Newmark, Thursday, 30 March 2006 09:01 (nineteen years ago)

does anyone here know what the source of the music sample is for "Kilo"?

This is one of the few songs on the album that doesn't have a sampling credit in the sleeve notes...

― JoB (JoB), Thursday, 30 March 2006 10:59 (nineteen years ago)

jellyfish is classic

― smokemon (eman), Thursday, 30 March 2006 12:52 (nineteen years ago)

Definitely one of the year's best. I think I like this more than the others because at least half the songs are about two minutes long.

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Thursday, 30 March 2006 13:26 (nineteen years ago)

> does anyone here know what the source of the music sample is for "Kilo"?<

http://soul-sides.com/2005/10/metric-man-ghostface-and-raekwon-we.html

― Renard (Renard), Thursday, 30 March 2006 13:30 (nineteen years ago)

lovin' it and will continue to love it during the rest of the year. certainly top5 material

― rizzx (Rizz), Thursday, 30 March 2006 13:36 (nineteen years ago)

Wait, is that horn break also from that Metric Man thing? Because that's the part I'm interested in, not necessarily the chorus.

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Thursday, 30 March 2006 16:34 (nineteen years ago)

the bass, vocals, wicky guitar and both horn parts are all from Metric Man

― Renard (Renard), Thursday, 30 March 2006 16:50 (nineteen years ago)

Just Blaze once again proves he's one of the best producers in the business on "The Champ"

― pinder (pinder), Thursday, 30 March 2006 17:19 (nineteen years ago)

This isn't very good.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Thursday, 30 March 2006 17:20 (nineteen years ago)

It's always a good sign where you hit a track early on that you can't pull yourself away to listen to the rest of the album and with this one fer me it's KILO. Holeeeee fuck.

― Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Thursday, 30 March 2006 19:28 (nineteen years ago)

Dom, I seriously can't tell whether you're being a dickish contrarian, or if you simply have a tin ear.

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Thursday, 30 March 2006 19:36 (nineteen years ago)

is it 'flux-hop'

― +++, Thursday, 30 March 2006 19:45 (nineteen years ago)

GODDAMMIT SHIT I PUT ONE IN MY BALLS
WHAT THE FUCK Y'ALL LOOKING AT ME FOR
CALL THE POLICE DO SOMETHING

― Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Thursday, 30 March 2006 19:47 (nineteen years ago)

Unsurprisingly, the three MF Doom tracks (9 Milli Bros, Clipse of Doom, Jellyfish) are far and away the worst.

― Big Willy and the Twins (miloaukerman), Friday, 31 March 2006 17:12 (nineteen years ago)

i dont think its that good, either - it feels a little mailed-in.

― pssst - badass revolutionary art! (plsmith), Friday, 31 March 2006 17:34 (nineteen years ago)

x-post

"9 Milli Bros", "Jellyfish" and "Underwater" (you forgot that one) are bad? Let's be real.

― Rodney's motives are beyond the comprehension of men (R. J. Greene), Friday, 31 March 2006 17:40 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, it kinda smacks of "I don't like MF Doom, I'll find out what tracks he did then badmouth them". "9 milli bros" is one of the stand out cuts on the album.

― jimnaseum (jimnaseum), Friday, 31 March 2006 17:47 (nineteen years ago)

yeah I don't like MF Doom in general and I couldn't care less about this album, but I was impressed when I found out he did "9 Milli Bros"

― Alex in Baltimore (Alex in Baltimore), Friday, 31 March 2006 17:51 (nineteen years ago)

this album is fucking great

― strongo hulkington is a guy with a belly button piercing (dubplatestyle), Friday, 31 March 2006 17:53 (nineteen years ago)

bar a few tracks

― strongo hulkington is a guy with a belly button piercing (dubplatestyle), Friday, 31 March 2006 17:53 (nineteen years ago)

but i can't remember the last album i didn't caveat with that

― strongo hulkington is a guy with a belly button piercing (dubplatestyle), Friday, 31 March 2006 17:53 (nineteen years ago)

How can anyone not love when the sample loop shifts for Method Man's verse in "9 Milli Bros"? That's pretty damn classic.

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Friday, 31 March 2006 17:55 (nineteen years ago)

Ha, I thought those three were so bad I went into the liner notes just to find out who produced them. It just so happens that they were the Doom tracks.

They're boring and repetitive, unkind to Ghostface's flow, the guests sounds phoned in. The Wu Tang posse cut sounds like nine guys in nine separate studios mailing their shit in to Doom, who didn't bother to try to craft anything cohesive with them. There's no personality and no charisma.

The beat on 9 Milli Bros is the best of the lot, but is totally undermined by the guests. The other two, I can't really say anything good about Jellyfish or Clipse of Doom (and can barely remember Underwater at all, maybe it's OK).

I don't even know what the sound effect that repats through Clipse of Doom is, but it's pretty annoying - and there seems to be relatively little connection between the unchanging loop and any of the rapping. That's just bad production, like any number of terrible blends featuring dead rappers (including "3 Bricks").

― Big Willy and the Twins (miloaukerman), Friday, 31 March 2006 17:55 (nineteen years ago)

"Whip You With A Strap," "Back Like That" and "Be Easy" are as good as any sequence on any of his albums.

― Big Willy and the Twins (miloaukerman), Friday, 31 March 2006 17:57 (nineteen years ago)

I'll give you that all the MF Doom tracks bar 9 milli bros are shit, but I think you're going to be pretty much alone in hating that track.

― jimnaseum (jimnaseum), Friday, 31 March 2006 17:57 (nineteen years ago)

"9 Milli Bros" is probably the weakest of all the Wu posse songs, but that's only because it's up against insanely strong competition. GZA sounds a bit tired and Deck's voice is shot (is this a permanent thing for him now?), but c'mon, the aforementioned Method Man sample shift, the verses by Cappadonna and U-God, the simple thrill of everyone in the best rap group of all time on the same track for maybe the last time - that's amazing stuff! The verses aren't anyone in the Clan's best work, but it has a great momentum, and that's kinda the point with these sort of tracks, don't you think?

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Friday, 31 March 2006 18:00 (nineteen years ago)

Speaking of - when did Cappadonna become a member of Theodore Unit? Wasn't he a full member of the Wu at some point?

― Big Willy and the Twins (miloaukerman), Friday, 31 March 2006 18:02 (nineteen years ago)

9 milli bros and Underwater are the two standouts for me...and its the variety of production keeps is flowing in a way that 25 tracks usually doesn't...weirdness of Doom, banger from Just Blaze, twisted soul of Dilla; they are all important parts of the equation...I think its his best next to Supreme Clientele, which followed a similar producer-switching format

― Space Is the Place (Space Is the Place), Friday, 31 March 2006 18:05 (nineteen years ago)

Deck sounds like he became fat. He just has a fat dude voice in that song, I'd never heard that from him before.

― Rodney's motives are beyond the comprehension of men (R. J. Greene), Friday, 31 March 2006 18:05 (nineteen years ago)

x-post to perpetua

― Rodney's motives are beyond the comprehension of men (R. J. Greene), Friday, 31 March 2006 18:06 (nineteen years ago)

I'm also sorta confused as to what kind of problem anyone could have with that amazing organ drone on "Jellyfish." Do you just not like great things?

Cappadonna is technically the tenth member of the Wu-Tang Clan, but it's sort of a complicated situation, and I'm not sure if I fully understand why he's in this permanent junior member status in spite of being all over every Wu album except for 36 Chambers.

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Friday, 31 March 2006 18:06 (nineteen years ago)

I don't think Deck became fat, I think he burned out his vocal cords. He sounds more like he's just been smoking nonstop since 2001. I've seen recent pictures of him, he looks like he's in pretty decent shape.

His voice was like that on the Wu live album from a couple years ago, and I kinda figured that maybe he was just sick or something. But no, his voice has just sorta changed dramatically. The same thing happened to Talib Kweli.

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Friday, 31 March 2006 18:09 (nineteen years ago)

Same thing happened to The D.O.C. Bwahahaha!

(Okay, that was just assholish)

― Rodney's motives are beyond the comprehension of men (R. J. Greene), Friday, 31 March 2006 18:11 (nineteen years ago)

I didn't even realize it was Deck, that's how bad he sounds! I thought it was one of the Killa Bees or something, some protege

― Space Is the Place (Space Is the Place), Friday, 31 March 2006 18:12 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, on that live record you wouldn't know it was Deck if it weren't for recognizing his lyrics. His voice used to be the cleanest in the Clan, and now it's so different that it sounds like they drafted an intern to do his parts.

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Friday, 31 March 2006 18:14 (nineteen years ago)

Just listened to it again, and Masta Killa's pretty great on "9 Milli Bros." He and U-God really blossomed into great rappers from The W onward, it's really too bad their own solo albums are so spotty. They deserve better.

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Friday, 31 March 2006 18:18 (nineteen years ago)

I love the liner credits on The Champ, there's like four dudes on organ (which is buried in the mix anyway). The track is pretty hot.

― Jordan (Jordan), Friday, 31 March 2006 18:19 (nineteen years ago)

I really like No Said Date, but MK's definitely rapped better elsewhere.

xpost

― Rodney's motives are beyond the comprehension of men (R. J. Greene), Friday, 31 March 2006 18:19 (nineteen years ago)

There's some really good songs on No Said Date, but it's kind of a mediocre album overall. It's definitely better than some of the more recent solo albums by higher profile members of the Clan.

Masta Killa really shines on The W.

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Friday, 31 March 2006 18:40 (nineteen years ago)

I'd consider it the best non-Ghost Wu album of the past few years. (Not that that's the greatest endorsement in the world.)

― Rodney's motives are beyond the comprehension of men (R. J. Greene), Friday, 31 March 2006 18:50 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, that's really not saying much.

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Friday, 31 March 2006 20:12 (nineteen years ago)

A large chunk of the ODB stuff that's turned up since he died has been really great, though.

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Friday, 31 March 2006 20:13 (nineteen years ago)

says something about Wu in general though, unfortunately.

― rizzx (Rizz), Friday, 31 March 2006 20:14 (nineteen years ago)

is that "official" ODB album ever coming out?

i haven't heard much...i'm afraid it will be depressing.

― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Friday, 31 March 2006 20:14 (nineteen years ago)

I think the Wu will never stop putting out amazing songs, either together or in various permutations, but I've more or less given up on any of them except Ghostface making great albums. I don't know, if they get around to another full Wu-Tang album, I think that has a good shot at being strong, and the next Raekwon could be very good too, we'll see.

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Friday, 31 March 2006 20:19 (nineteen years ago)

The one true dud: "Momma." I almost want to delete it from the iPod and pretend that it doesn't exist.

― Hatch (Hatch), Friday, 31 March 2006 21:00 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, I agree - "Momma" is weak. I pretty much turn the record off after "Underwater."

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Friday, 31 March 2006 21:48 (nineteen years ago)

yeah, i don't really listen to rap for songs about your mom. the last 30s of Kanye West's "Hey Momma" is the most embarassing thing on that album.

― pinder (pinder), Friday, 31 March 2006 22:21 (nineteen years ago)

"you're like a book of po-e-try"

it's like the song turned Kanye's brain to mush

― Renard (Renard), Friday, 31 March 2006 22:30 (nineteen years ago)

although, "Momma" is not Ghostface's only mama song ... "Whip You With a Strap" helpfully provides the other side of the coin

― Renard (Renard), Friday, 31 March 2006 22:33 (nineteen years ago)

uh All That I Got is You is about Ghost's momma and is undisputably awesome.

So what IS the deal with the "official" ODB album, anybody know? I ain't buyin any of that mixtape, greatest hits shit, gimme the real deal.

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 31 March 2006 22:36 (nineteen years ago)

I'm pretty sure A Son Unique is the "official" thing coming out, and it seems like that's coming out soonish. That's got some really good stuff on it.

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Saturday, 1 April 2006 03:08 (nineteen years ago)

"Whip You With a Strap" is the scariest song I've heard all year.

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Saturday, 1 April 2006 03:16 (nineteen years ago)

A Son Unique has sounded like its coming out "soonish" for like two years now.

― Rodney's motives are beyond the comprehension of men (R. J. Greene), Saturday, 1 April 2006 03:38 (nineteen years ago)

yeah "welts on my legs still leakin' " is a pretty fucked up line to end it on

I love "big girls"

― Renard (Renard), Saturday, 1 April 2006 05:12 (nineteen years ago)

standout track for me is R.A.G.U. they should get pete rock to do the whole cuban linx 2

― smokemon (eman), Monday, 3 April 2006 03:22 (nineteen years ago)

man, three bricks is garbage

― smokemon (eman), Monday, 3 April 2006 03:31 (nineteen years ago)

Yes it is. I've never heard a good blend - they all have the same beat/rhyming disconnect I was complaining about with Doom earlier, and Biggie is the worst because he never sounds right without the original Bad Boy touches.

― Big Willy and the Twins (miloaukerman), Monday, 3 April 2006 03:45 (nineteen years ago)

The Doom tracks are good but 2 of the three he's released before and I really didn't need to hear them again.

This album is better than I expected but jeez folks. Best rap album of the year?! My favorite tracks are "Back Like That" and "Whip You With a Strap" and "Shakey Dog" which is good because it's like "Maxine". Most of the songs are 'good like older ghostface songs' which means its a good album to me but not as good as ... all the others. Except the official version of Bulletproof.

― deej.. (deej..), Monday, 3 April 2006 18:08 (nineteen years ago)

The out-of-tune organ sample phasing about in "Jellyfish" is the album's money shot.

But fuck, when I heard that Ne-Yo song I was like, "What a piece of shit. I bet this is the single." And lo and fucking behold.

Also, I love this guy's stories, even when I have no fucking idea what they are about.

― Whiney G. Weingarten (whineyg), Monday, 3 April 2006 18:48 (nineteen years ago)

whiney you are crazy. "Honey, look, I'm a monster don, I do monster things
That's why I put your ass under my arm"

― yuengling participle (rotten03), Monday, 3 April 2006 18:54 (nineteen years ago)

I still have holdover anxiety from the early 90s when all the R&B guys started doing hooks all over everything. Instant cheese factor for me. And Ne-Yo is no Mary J.

― Whiney G. Weingarten (whineyg), Monday, 3 April 2006 18:57 (nineteen years ago)

Faves are Be Easy (!), Kilo, Champ, 9 Milli, Shakey Dog, i.e. the bangers

― Jordan (Jordan), Monday, 3 April 2006 19:00 (nineteen years ago)

Kilo is so cloying, but worked on me anyway!

― Whiney G. Weingarten (whineyg), Monday, 3 April 2006 19:03 (nineteen years ago)

I would say a couple of the other r&b-ish hooks on the album might be cloying, but Kilo's a funky-ass little melody.

― Jordan (Jordan), Monday, 3 April 2006 19:07 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, not cloying in a K-Ci And JoJo way, but cloying in a OMG COKE ROFL way

― Whiney G. Weingarten (whineyg), Monday, 3 April 2006 19:08 (nineteen years ago)

raekwon's "get your sniff on" lyric is ugh

but I love that beat

my top 5 is Jellyfish, Kilo, Big Girl, Shakey Dog, Be Easy

there's something a little too busy about The Champ imo

― Renard (Renard), Monday, 3 April 2006 19:29 (nineteen years ago)

This album is so great I’ve almost forgotten how boring Pretty Tony was for me – I wonder if it’s a simple matter of production? Here, it seems more in-your-face and amped up to the extent that it – and Ghost’s word tangles – seize and keep my attention, whereas on PT the whole thing slid by sometimes almost w/o me noticing it was on.

Also: I love that I was about to by Fishscale BRAND NEW at Record & Tape Traders in Owings Mills for $8.99! New hip-hop albums are usually $11.99 to $14.99 there.

― Raymond Cummings (Raymond Cummings), Monday, 3 April 2006 19:44 (nineteen years ago)

Right now my top 5 is "9 Milli Bros," "Kilo," "Jellyfish," "The Champ" and "Shakey Dog." Might change, who knows.

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Monday, 3 April 2006 20:07 (nineteen years ago)

I've started to only listen for the bits when Rae or Cappa come on. Both on fire on this album. It's good: The Champ, Ragu, Beauty Jackson, & Underwater are as good as anything he's done. But it's also "good" like Toney and Bulletproof were good.

And this is *not* hip hop album of the year stuff. Dumb skits, and about 4 or 5 beat / rhyme combinations that fall really flat.

(I know it's not 2006, but to get some perspective: Lil' Wayne's Tha Carter 2, Beanie Sigel's "The B Coming" and Bun B's "Trill" all bury this. I think we can safely assume others will in the coming months too...)

― paulhw (paulhw), Monday, 3 April 2006 20:49 (nineteen years ago)

just picked this up ... it's OKAY, not great. i really like the pete rock beats, but there's so many problems with this album.

maybe i'm spoiled but about half the doom beats ("9 milli" and the slow flute one) sounded much, much better on mf doom's "special blends" (search the MOP "ante up" blend w/ the "9 milli" beat)

i didn't really think much of the dilla beats. actually, he doesn't even sound like jay dee anymore! did he lose his touch when he changed his name to dilla?

"kilos" sounds really bad slowed down.

and i think ghostface is getting really tired. yeah, we know you wear wallabies and eat lots of good food. yeah, we know we can "catch you at ..." (whatever italian restaurant). i know i'm going to hear old soul samples and he's going to sound a little frantic. he's almost like kool keith at this point (as in i pick up a kool keith album i know exactly what to expect: not-so-surprising sex raps about green monkeys from uranus or whatever).

it was pleasantly surprising that he pulled it together for "pretty toney" after "bulletproof wallets" but this one sounds like outtakes from "pretty toney" over the who's-who of pitchfork's favorite rap producers.

― vahid (vahid), Monday, 3 April 2006 21:43 (nineteen years ago)

i grabbed this instead of TI because it was six whole bucks cheaper and i sort of regret it already.

― vahid (vahid), Monday, 3 April 2006 21:44 (nineteen years ago)

what i thought really made "pretty toney" were all of the conceptual tracks, stuff like "beat the clock" and "keisha's house" and "last night", good collaborations like "tooken back" and the one with the lox, and it had a couple of bangers like "ghostface".

ok this one's got "be easy" in the "ghostface" position but as far as surprising inventive tracks go ... "jellyfish"?

i'm not saying it isn't a solid album but it sort of feels like ghostface treading water over a set of better-than-average beats.

― vahid (vahid), Monday, 3 April 2006 21:50 (nineteen years ago)

kool keith hasn't done any sci-fi sex raps for like the last five albums or something.

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 3 April 2006 21:55 (nineteen years ago)

yeah i haven't been paying attention since "black elvis". guess i've "missed out".

― vahid (vahid), Monday, 3 April 2006 21:57 (nineteen years ago)

Also: I love that I was about to by Fishscale BRAND NEW at Record & Tape Traders in Owings Mills for $8.99! New hip-hop albums are usually $11.99 to $14.99 there.

-- Raymond Cummings (gracefulas...), April 3rd, 2006 4:44 PM.

haha, I was at the R&TT in Towson last week, and noticed that the Ghostface was only $9, which kind of pissed me off because I was there to buy the T.I., which was $15.

― Alex in Baltimore (Alex in Baltimore), Monday, 3 April 2006 22:03 (nineteen years ago)

I got it for $9 too.

― Jordan (Jordan), Monday, 3 April 2006 22:05 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah Vahid I'm with you on this I think. I still get excited on tracks like "Shakey Dog" but conceptually it's so far below his best stuff. Pretty Toney had a pretty unified&unique theme, that whole soul/ghostface singing along with the radio thing, and I thought it worked really well.

― deej.. (deej..), Monday, 3 April 2006 22:09 (nineteen years ago)

oh yeah, that's the one thing i forgot to mention abt "pretty toney" vs everything else w/ his name on it. "pretty toney" is conceptually totally unitary, unlike any of his other albums or almost unlike anything else i've heard. it's almost like a live album - "singing along w/ the radio", i like that.

― vahid (vahid), Monday, 3 April 2006 22:12 (nineteen years ago)

I only paid $6.99 at Best Buy, so I guess if I narrowed it down to 10 tracks I really like it would still be a good deal.

― Big Willy and the Twins (miloaukerman), Monday, 3 April 2006 22:16 (nineteen years ago)

totally OTM about the unified vibe of Pretty Toney (and I'm a sucker for consistent "theme" album things like that)

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 3 April 2006 22:21 (nineteen years ago)

I can narrow this album to thirteen tracks, with about six or seven tracks that wouldn't be out of place on a Starks best of: Shakey Dog, Kilo, 9 Milli, RAGU, Whip You With a Strap, Be Easy and Jellyfish. Maybe Underwater too.
Can't quite get a handle on Champ and as big a fan of Just Blaze as I am, I'm surprised.
The sign of a really great album, to me, is that a group of intelligent fans can listen to it and everybody picks different tracks to love and hate. This one looks to qualify.

― Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 4 April 2006 00:56 (nineteen years ago)

"Champ" was my immediate favorite, but I also REALLY like "Be Easy." After that comes "Shakey Dog," "Underwater," and "Whip You With A Strap."

At first I was really excited by it, and though it's been less than a week, I'm starting to cool on it. In one way, it seems like way TOO much, but in another, it feels like not enough. A lot of this has to do with skits, none of which are song-ish like a couple of the ones on Pretty Toney. I don't know. I want to love this so much.

― regular roundups (Dave M), Tuesday, 4 April 2006 01:10 (nineteen years ago)

is that a group of intelligent fans can listen to it and everybody picks different tracks to love and hate.

link to that messageboard pls

― vahid (vahid), Tuesday, 4 April 2006 02:13 (nineteen years ago)

I would, but it just got deleted.

― Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 4 April 2006 04:25 (nineteen years ago)

i like when cappadon says "aka the cab driver", repping b-more hacks

― smokemon (eman), Tuesday, 4 April 2006 22:32 (nineteen years ago)

wasn't cappadonna really a cab driver for awhile after he got kicked out of the wu-tang, i thought i read that....i think he was maybe homeless too.

― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Tuesday, 4 April 2006 22:46 (nineteen years ago)

's what i'm sayin. he was (is?) doing that in baltimore. hack = unofficial cab

― smokemon (eman), Tuesday, 4 April 2006 23:13 (nineteen years ago)

what tracks did rza do on supreme clientele?

― Mono Tony?, Wednesday, 5 April 2006 05:32 (nineteen years ago)

I think he only did Buck 50 (?) My understanding is that for that album the RZA and Ghost got all the beats from other folks and then tweaked them further (er "executive produced")

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 18:01 (nineteen years ago)

repping b-more hacks

breihan to thread

― ++++, Wednesday, 5 April 2006 18:07 (nineteen years ago)

I'm anxious to bust out the hook from "Kilos" during our biology experiment tomorrow.

― Tape Store (Tape Store), Thursday, 6 April 2006 03:16 (nineteen years ago)

(Though the track is outdated; it would have been great in the 1980's when America was actually trying to switch to the metric system)

― Tape Store (Tape Store), Thursday, 6 April 2006 03:19 (nineteen years ago)

I've taken to studying "Underwater" in order to learn lessons in observation/scene painting I can apply to my undergraduate poetry thesis.

― regular roundups (Dave M), Thursday, 6 April 2006 04:46 (nineteen years ago)

Screw what I said earlier about not getting it. There is a lot of filler on here, but it doesn't weigh down the album's greatness, especially considering most of the filler cuts are skits anyway.

― regular roundups (Dave M), Thursday, 6 April 2006 04:48 (nineteen years ago)

beauty jackson sounds like rza.

― Mono Tony, Thursday, 6 April 2006 05:04 (nineteen years ago)

Speaking of that song, why does her "face drop" at the end? Pulling out the chrome? Is it because he hands her his number rather than asking for hers? I'm confused. Also, it's definitely not RZA, if you're asking a question, Tony. I don't have the booklet right with me, but no RZA tracks on the album.

― regular roundups (Dave M), Thursday, 6 April 2006 05:07 (nineteen years ago)

i just checked. it's j dilla. lyrics seem vague to me as well. i like the feel of this track

― mono tony, Thursday, 6 April 2006 05:10 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, I fuckin' love it a lot. It's another one where he's super descriptive. And when he talks about her making young girls seem styleless, it's just classic. And that it's another track where he's saying "ugh" all the time. Like he's stammering and nutting (eesh, sorry) (not really) at the same time.

― regular roundups (Dave M), Thursday, 6 April 2006 05:13 (nineteen years ago)

I'm pretty sure RZA also produced Child's Play on SC...the dilla stuff on fishscale (beauty jackson, strap) both sound a lot like his last album (donuts)

― Space Is the Place (Space Is the Place), Thursday, 6 April 2006 10:56 (nineteen years ago)

RZA did produce "Child's Play."

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Thursday, 6 April 2006 11:34 (nineteen years ago)

Any answers on the Beauty Jackson question?

― regular roundups (Dave M), Thursday, 6 April 2006 15:02 (nineteen years ago)

Aren't those Dilla beats actually from Donuts?

(nb, I don't have Donuts nor do I like those beats very much)

― Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 6 April 2006 15:04 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, "Beauty Jackson" is Donut's "One for Ghost" and "Whip You With a Strap" is "Hi"...or maybe it's the other way around. I like them a lot actually! I don't think very many rappers could use them, but they work beautifully for Ghost.

― s>c>, Thursday, 6 April 2006 18:16 (nineteen years ago)

I think "Be Easy" is comin thru as my favorite track. But that may be just cuz it makes me nostalgic for early 90s NYC beats

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 6 April 2006 18:22 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, "Beauty Jackson" is Donut's "One for Ghost" and "Whip You With a Strap" is "Hi"...or maybe it's the other way around.

Yeah, it's the other way around.

― Rodney's motives are beyond the comprehension of men (R. J. Greene), Thursday, 6 April 2006 18:35 (nineteen years ago)

why does her "face drop" at the end? Pulling out the chrome?

"her face fell as I dropped the chrome" -- I took it as, he acts like he wants to pick her up in order to get close, but he's really there to rob or kill her (like she is some dangerous femme fatale he's hired to kill)

― Renard (Renard), Thursday, 6 April 2006 18:39 (nineteen years ago)

or by accident, while he was reaching for a pen he grabbed the chrome

― rizzx (Rizz), Thursday, 6 April 2006 18:54 (nineteen years ago)

yeah like it fell out of his waistband by accident ... that could be it too

― Renard (Renard), Thursday, 6 April 2006 19:05 (nineteen years ago)

I think its because she didn't want a guy who was a thug, and seeing the gun fall out of his waistband destroyed the good impression she had of him.

― Rodney's motives are beyond the comprehension of men (R. J. Greene), Thursday, 6 April 2006 19:30 (nineteen years ago)

I thought it was him robbing her. It reminded me of the opening scene in Sin City.

― s>c>, Thursday, 6 April 2006 20:53 (nineteen years ago)

nah, he's not in that mindframe during this song. imo

― rizzx (Rizz), Thursday, 6 April 2006 21:12 (nineteen years ago)

I think he's totally in that mindframe BUT he sorta falls for her as he approaches BUT then he robs her anyway

― Renard (Renard), Thursday, 6 April 2006 21:16 (nineteen years ago)

the lyrics don't give any hints in that direction though. i think it really is just him falling for a girl at the busstop

"I never rush one, here take my number miss
I live alone, her face fell when I dropped the chrome
Damn, can I have YOUR number? {*bus pulls away*}"

― rizzx (Rizz), Thursday, 6 April 2006 21:27 (nineteen years ago)

maybe you should consult rza's wu tang manual

― vahid (vahid), Thursday, 6 April 2006 21:27 (nineteen years ago)

ts: dropping the chrome vs oops i dropped my chrome

― Renard (Renard), Thursday, 6 April 2006 23:53 (nineteen years ago)

when you drop chrome, do you pick it up with a bend... and snap?

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Friday, 7 April 2006 02:07 (nineteen years ago)

i saw ghost on the cover of FADER. that mag looks like garbage. the title is appropriate for ghost's direction into homogeny

― mono tony, Friday, 7 April 2006 04:52 (nineteen years ago)

Nice. Good answers. My problem was having no clue chrome = gun. I was thinking watch or something. Duh. I'm gonna have to agree with Rodney & Rizz. Plus, I hated Sin City, so that's not helping matters any.

― regular roundups (Dave M), Friday, 7 April 2006 08:44 (nineteen years ago)

Isn't he dropping his (chrome) change in the machine for bus fare?

― dan. (dan.), Friday, 7 April 2006 15:30 (nineteen years ago)

I have to say I love the line "Her voice was a slow jam". Totally evocative. That line jumps out at me every time I hear this song.

― Rodney's motives are beyond the comprehension of men (R. J. Greene), Friday, 7 April 2006 17:43 (nineteen years ago)

The rest, the string of commerical cliches, is pretty tired though. It's like "I saw this girl at the bus stop, everything she's wearing screams upper reaches of affordable and she smokes like she's in the movies, I think I'm in love!"

― dan. (dan.), Friday, 7 April 2006 17:53 (nineteen years ago)

ain't comin' out in December, hell I'll be surprised if it drops first quarter 06
-- Al (hoteloper...), December 4th, 2005 11:06 PM.

haha well, I was wrong, but only by 3 days.

― Alex in Baltimore (Alex in Baltimore), Friday, 7 April 2006 17:57 (nineteen years ago)

x-post to Dan
Whatever dude, this is one of the best songs on the album. And "commercial" is one of the stupidest phrases you can apply to music.

― Rodney's motives are beyond the comprehension of men (R. J. Greene), Friday, 7 April 2006 18:10 (nineteen years ago)

commercial as in ripped right from the ad

― dan. (dan.), Friday, 7 April 2006 18:58 (nineteen years ago)

maybe he name-dropped chrome and she didnt know who they were

― dhjask, Friday, 7 April 2006 21:19 (nineteen years ago)

Dan your complaints would make sense if he wasn't completely fucking detailed in his descriptions of this woman. Plus, with the repeated "uh" I think some speechlessness is part of the point.

― regular roundups (Dave M), Friday, 7 April 2006 22:02 (nineteen years ago)

Just because he's completely detailed doesn't mean the details are any good.

― dan. (dan.), Tuesday, 11 April 2006 20:36 (nineteen years ago)

OMG! MALE RAPPERS SHOUDLN'T RAP ABOUT WOMEN OR THEY'RE SELLOUTS!!!!

― Rodney's motives are beyond the comprehension of men (R. J. Greene), Wednesday, 12 April 2006 02:05 (nineteen years ago)

Don’t be a dick. Where on this thread did anyone say anything resembling that?

― dan. (dan.), Wednesday, 12 April 2006 13:23 (nineteen years ago)

Don’t be a dick. Where on this thread did anyone say anything resembling that? Is the word commercial that loaded?

― dan. (dan.), Wednesday, 12 April 2006 13:26 (nineteen years ago)

Just because he's completely detailed doesn't mean the details are any good.

― mono tony, Wednesday, 12 April 2006 14:52 (nineteen years ago)

Never called him a sellout. Just don't like the ONE song cause because the lines are wrote.

― dan. (dan.), Wednesday, 12 April 2006 14:56 (nineteen years ago)

rote

― dan. (dan.), Wednesday, 12 April 2006 14:57 (nineteen years ago)

Time is revealing the flaws -- too many damn skits and like someone said way upthread not enough confusing slang to make the lyrics as fun as, say, Supreme Clientele, which beats this record by a LOT.

― Raymond Cummings (Raymond Cummings), Thursday, 13 April 2006 10:49 (nineteen years ago)

Whenever I hear "The Champ" all I can think of is John Cena's entrance music.

― AaronHz (AaronHz), Tuesday, 18 April 2006 02:43 (nineteen years ago)

wow, the price point on this one is ridiculously low. $8 on amazon.com. what's up with that?

― amateurist0, Tuesday, 25 April 2006 00:02 (nineteen years ago)

I think "Be Easy" is comin thru as my favorite track. But that may be just cuz it makes me nostalgic for early 90s NYC beats

yeah i like it cuz it's so stripped down but with a jackrabbit beat. definitely my favorite chorus on the album, at least.

― gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Tuesday, 25 April 2006 00:12 (nineteen years ago)

Xgau weighs in:

GHOSTFACE KILLAH
Fishscale
(Def Jam)
With the crack trade making its hip-hop comeback, Ghost fashions a trend record that ranks with any Biggie or Wu CD. Morally, it's a retrospective—there's no attempt to convince us that he's still in the game or wants to return. But neither will he countenance doubt that he knows whereof he speaks. The stories are as vivid, brutal, and thought-out as any noir, with details that both encompass and surpass the wisdom of "pyrex scholars." This is a guy with a bald spot who likes cranberry Snapple, Larry King Live, and women who work for JetBlue. When he asks his boo to turn the flame down a little, he says thank you. His high wail renders extreme anxiety beautiful. And before the music settles into a powerfully souled and sampled Clan-type groove, its screeching intensity has a Nation of Millions feel. A PLUS

― J. Sot (dogbrute...), Tuesday, 25 April 2006 06:23 (nineteen years ago)

i bought this. i like big girl and back like that. the rest is boring as fuck.

― 333333333333 (33333), Tuesday, 25 April 2006 07:55 (nineteen years ago)

I saw Xgau at the Ghostface show Saturday night. He looked befuddled, walked down the wrong hallway before making it into the actual performance space. We spoke briefly about nothing much.

― pdf (Phil Freeman), Tuesday, 25 April 2006 11:17 (nineteen years ago)

Oh, and the show was kinda disappointing. Bad sound, too many hypemen onstage, etc., etc. Typical hip-hop show failures.

― pdf (Phil Freeman), Tuesday, 25 April 2006 11:18 (nineteen years ago)

Be Easy ... definitely my favorite chorus on the album

the eBay line kinda spoils it for me, too corny

― Renard (Renard), Tuesday, 25 April 2006 16:07 (nineteen years ago)

i think it's funny! sounds like kid 'n' play or something.

― gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Tuesday, 25 April 2006 16:18 (nineteen years ago)

three weeks pass...
Fucking awful interview in the Onion

http://www.avclub.com/content/node/48535

this part's kinda funny:

AVC: You were one of the first Wu-Tang Clan members to work with a producer other than RZA. How did that come about?

GK: Nothing, man. You gotta do what you gotta do. RZA don't gotta be making my beats all day. You gotta fuck around, spread your wings. RZA got fuckin' too many artists to put out on his own. I ain't gotta use him every time I make an album and shit. Yo, any good beats will do. There are mad people out there with good beats. That's like saying that you gotta fuck the same bitch all day. There's mad bitches outside, mad pussy out there, that's better than the pussy that you got. C'mon!

― Lukas (lukas), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 20:27 (nineteen years ago)

AVC: Who are your favorite rappers?

GK: A lot of old-school rappers. Rakim, Kool G Rap, Big Daddy Kane, Biz Markie, Slick Rick, Doug E. Fresh, Public Enemy, even NWA when they came out with their first album. Brand Nubian, A Tribe Called Quest, Gang Starr. All the Nice & Smooth. The whole list. It just goes on. The world was really, back then, rockin' the Fat Boys, Run DMC, Special Ed. Back then, everything was cool. Steady B from Philly. It was all good. All the old school. The whole Juice Crew. Roxanne Shante, EPMD, MC Lyte.

anybody on ilm who talked like Ghost is talkin' here would get called on the carpet for questionable taste in rap before he even hit "submit"

― Thomas Tallis (Tommy), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 22:19 (nineteen years ago)

what?!? pfft all that shit is great.

terrible interview though.

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 22:51 (nineteen years ago)

Pete Rockism Shockah! ....and yeah, bad interview.

― Dr. Rodney's Original Savannah Band (R. J. Greene), Thursday, 18 May 2006 04:05 (nineteen years ago)

gfk has gotta be taking the piss in that interview, but the interviewer didn't follow up on the more interesting responses either.

― a.b. (alanbanana), Thursday, 18 May 2006 04:40 (nineteen years ago)

AVC: Who are some of your favorite soul artists?

GK: [No answer.]

translation: Rabin, you suck

― Unlimited Toothpicker (eman), Thursday, 18 May 2006 05:03 (nineteen years ago)

two months pass...
good album for a sluggish late summer - hot, humid, drunk

― Lukas (lukas), Saturday, 12 August 2006 20:18 (nineteen years ago)

three weeks pass...
OMG OMG OMG

Ghostface in London!

― g00blar (gooblar), Monday, 4 September 2006 10:29 (nineteen years ago)

In Amsterdam!

― JoB (JoB), Monday, 4 September 2006 11:24 (nineteen years ago)

two months pass...
this might be the best review ive read of this album, and im more inclined to believe it since its not from the usual trad-rap contingent:
http://www.villagevoice.com/music/0618,tate,73066,22.html

tom breihan thinks this is the 4th best ghostface album but i think its a toss up between this and pretty toney for his 5th best.

― titchyschneider (titchyschneider), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 12:46 (eighteen years ago)

"more fish" is getting released soon isn't it? guessing from the title its leftovers from fishscale

― am0n (am0n), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 14:08 (eighteen years ago)

out in a few weeks
good cover from what i saw on the village voice blog - i hope they keep it and dont change it to a boring one like they did with fishscale

― titchyschneider (titchyschneider), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 14:21 (eighteen years ago)

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/33/U86Qm75DoYsY_11202006_160435.jpg

― RODNEY HAVE TOO MANY EMOTHINS!!! (R. J. Greene), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 23:29 (eighteen years ago)

Urgh. That came out smaller than it went in. (haha that sounds funny)

― RODNEY HAVE TOO MANY EMOTHINS!!! (R. J. Greene), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 23:30 (eighteen years ago)

Guests on the new Amy Winehouse single.

― danny boy (danny boy), Thursday, 23 November 2006 06:50 (eighteen years ago)


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