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A 2005 singles list without Girls ALoud's Biology is like a dictators list that doesn't include Hitler...

― snowballing (snowballing), Monday, 19 December 2005 11:47 (twenty years ago)

didn't we do this two weeks ago?

― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Monday, 19 December 2005 11:50 (twenty years ago)

It was the stylus list, wasn't it ?

― snowballing (snowballing), Monday, 19 December 2005 11:52 (twenty years ago)

i always suspected Antony & the Johnsons were just another lame singles band.

― poortheatre (poortheatre), Monday, 19 December 2005 11:54 (twenty years ago)

Please add my name to that list (sigh).

― nancyboy (nancyboy), Monday, 19 December 2005 11:56 (twenty years ago)

didn't we do this two weeks ago?

0.3 zing.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Monday, 19 December 2005 12:00 (twenty years ago)

Stoopid yanks.

― zeus (zeus), Monday, 19 December 2005 12:02 (twenty years ago)

But I have to say, it's a much better list, than Stylus's ridiculously "uncool enough to be supercool" list, though I miss 'Biology'.
And three cheers for including 'Apply Some Pressure'!

― zeus (zeus), Monday, 19 December 2005 12:06 (twenty years ago)

oh, link i guess.

― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Monday, 19 December 2005 12:08 (twenty years ago)

don't worry. it's already everyone's homepage.

― poortheatre (poortheatre), Monday, 19 December 2005 12:11 (twenty years ago)

lol

― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Monday, 19 December 2005 12:17 (twenty years ago)

quite a bad year for singles then.

― Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Monday, 19 December 2005 12:29 (twenty years ago)

Pitchdork's list was way better than Stylus' list.

This shows you how crap Stylus is now, considering that the Pitchdork list had that Antony Johnson GUFF at number one.

― ESTEBAN BUTTEZ~!!, Monday, 19 December 2005 12:37 (twenty years ago)

bad year for hip-hop if 'hate it or love it' gets polled so high in both lists.

― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Monday, 19 December 2005 12:40 (twenty years ago)

Aside from maybe 'Golddigger' Kanye West, 'Hate or Love It' has seemingly become the hip-hop anthem of 2005. Both shocking and depressing.

― Mika, Monday, 19 December 2005 12:44 (twenty years ago)

'hate it or love it' is so far from being the best singles either fiddy or the game were involved in this year!

(respectively: 'just a lil bit' or maybe 'candy shop' which is 100x better than people say, and 'dreams' cos it's dedicated to venus and serena's dead half-sister)

― The Lex (The Lex), Monday, 19 December 2005 12:45 (twenty years ago)

Lex, by default, NO single involving 50 Cent is the 'best' of anything.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 19 December 2005 12:48 (twenty years ago)

'candy shop' was last year. on the other hand, annie 'my heartbeat', pf's surprise high entry of 2004, was released as a single this year.

― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Monday, 19 December 2005 12:54 (twenty years ago)

You guys do realize that Pitchfork is an American site and Girls Aloud are virtually unknown in the US, right? On top of that, it's a December release, meaning that even the word of mouth here won't really kick in for a couple months.

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Monday, 19 December 2005 12:57 (twenty years ago)

uh, 'candy shop' was THIS year.

Rex The Dog's 'I Look Into Mid-Air' was last year in the UK at least.

still do not get the Clarkson and (esp.) Hegarty love.

― Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Monday, 19 December 2005 12:59 (twenty years ago)

Also, you guys do realise that Girls Aloud is a pile of shit? No? Well, now you know. Possibly even Pitchdork does.

― ESTEBAN BUTTEZ~!!, Monday, 19 December 2005 13:01 (twenty years ago)

oh ned, fiddy is quite cute really. have you heard 'magic stick', his duet with lil kim? if that doesn't win you over nothing will.

'candy shop' was definitely this year, i remember giving it 9 in the stylus jukebox.

i get the hegarty love but i can't join in, his voice has too much tremolo for my tastes.

― The Lex (The Lex), Monday, 19 December 2005 13:01 (twenty years ago)

I like the ID of 'Maps' (so blatant!) and the Interpol-guitar borrowings from 'Since U Been Gone' by Jess, never really listened that closely. I still find this song annoying though.

― Mika, Monday, 19 December 2005 13:01 (twenty years ago)

Now, look: I may not "LIVE IN WILLIAMSBURG." I don't "SHOP AT AMERICAN APPAREL." I can't "SCORE SOME COKE." I've never "KISSED A GUY." I don't "PLAY IN A NOISE BAND AT LUKE AND LEROYS"

but come on "Hollback Girl" should be way higher.

― poortheatre (poortheatre), Monday, 19 December 2005 13:02 (twenty years ago)

Really?

― Mika, Monday, 19 December 2005 13:03 (twenty years ago)

well, i was just doing chris farley on the first part... but no kidding about "hollback girl"

― poortheatre (poortheatre), Monday, 19 December 2005 13:06 (twenty years ago)

actually this is a great list even if the order seems completely jumbled up ('heard 'em say' in the top 10 but not 'gold digger'? eh?). it's got the trentemoller royksopp remix in it!

― The Lex (The Lex), Monday, 19 December 2005 13:13 (twenty years ago)

No Get Physical though? Where's Mandarine Girl or Body Language? :(

― Mika, Monday, 19 December 2005 13:17 (twenty years ago)

I think Mandarine Girl might actually have been close

― Dominique (dleone), Monday, 19 December 2005 13:23 (twenty years ago)

I think Mandarine Girl might actually have been close

I think it polled somewhere between 51-55.

― scott pl. (scott pl.), Monday, 19 December 2005 13:27 (twenty years ago)

i love love love 'mandarine girl' but i do wonder why lots of people voted for it, but not as many for 'body language'

― The Lex (The Lex), Monday, 19 December 2005 13:28 (twenty years ago)

I find these lists weird. What makes the five or six dance tracks they include any better than 40-50 or other dance tracks they didn't include? Do they vote on this or just ask the dance writers to nominate a couple of tracks?

― Good Dog (Good Dog), Monday, 19 December 2005 13:31 (twenty years ago)

Has anyone ever played Animal Collective's "Grass" next to Tyrannosaurus' Rex "She Was Born to Be My Unicorn" ?

Don't do it alone/in front of the mirror, etc.

― poortheatre (poortheatre), Monday, 19 December 2005 13:47 (twenty years ago)

i had 'candy shop' on dubplate, in 2002.

― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Monday, 19 December 2005 13:53 (twenty years ago)

I think this is a decent list. It represents a pretty reasonable cross section of the pop and indie I imagine PFM writers listen to, and anyone who's second-guessing the intentions of the compilers is probably wasting their time.

― edward o (edwardo), Monday, 19 December 2005 13:55 (twenty years ago)

What makes the five or six dance tracks they include any better than 40-50 or other dance tracks they didn't include? Do they vote on this or just ask the dance writers to nominate a couple of tracks

yeah this is the impression i can't help getting too. the Lindstrom track and even the Trentemoller mix are feeling quite over-rated now because of how they keep appearing on lists looking quite isolated, at the expense of other tracks/remixes just as good if not better.

― Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Monday, 19 December 2005 14:01 (twenty years ago)

I'm surprised no singles list has tapped Vitalic's remix of Bjork's "Who Is It?" yet. That might be my favorite track of the year.

― mrjosh (mrjosh), Monday, 19 December 2005 14:19 (twenty years ago)

oh ned, fiddy is quite cute really.

Actually I like the idea that Eminem is to Joe Meek as 50 Cent is to one of his many anonymous male teen dreams.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 19 December 2005 14:23 (twenty years ago)

eh? how 'r' em and meek related?

― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Monday, 19 December 2005 14:27 (twenty years ago)

Yay my torturous analogies.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 19 December 2005 14:30 (twenty years ago)

If Franz Ferdinand can claim to be influenced By Meek, then why not 50 cent...

― snowballing (snowballing), Monday, 19 December 2005 14:32 (twenty years ago)

Hoo boy. Remind me to include a conceptual flow chart next time.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 19 December 2005 14:34 (twenty years ago)

you have missed the point of ILM!

― maria tessa sciarrino (theoreticalgirl), Monday, 19 December 2005 14:34 (twenty years ago)

wtf

― u saved me (dubplatestyle), Monday, 19 December 2005 14:38 (twenty years ago)

antony and the johnstons?!?!?!

― u saved me (dubplatestyle), Monday, 19 December 2005 14:38 (twenty years ago)

scott, i resign

― u saved me (dubplatestyle), Monday, 19 December 2005 14:38 (twenty years ago)

this is not a joke

― u saved me (dubplatestyle), Monday, 19 December 2005 14:38 (twenty years ago)

No reggaeton :(

here's a link
http://www.pitchforkmedia.com/top/2005/singles/index5.shtml

and more lists they collected

http://pitchforkmedia.com/features/comments/12-16-05/

top 10s from artists collected by Pitchfork

― curmudgeon, Monday, 19 December 2005 14:41 (twenty years ago)

anyone who's second-guessing the intentions of the compilers is probably wasting their time

err viz the lists of those 3 rap rvw spastics they have

― hold tight the private caller (mwah), Monday, 19 December 2005 14:43 (twenty years ago)

They need ya Jess.

― curmudgeon, Monday, 19 December 2005 14:44 (twenty years ago)

those artist lists were GREAT

― poortheatre (poortheatre), Monday, 19 December 2005 14:53 (twenty years ago)

antony and the johnstons?!?!?!
-- u saved me (wt...), December 19th, 2005.

jess give it a chance, the song's actually pretty great/meaningful if you sub "hope there's someone" with "chode there's somecum"

― Nick Sylvester, Monday, 19 December 2005 14:53 (twenty years ago)

http://www.tca2000.co.uk/CRAZY_FROG.jpg

the only sexually ambiguous singer in my life.

― u saved me (dubplatestyle), Monday, 19 December 2005 14:57 (twenty years ago)

Who the fuck are Antony and the Johnsons??? Must download that single.

― Mr. Snrub, Monday, 19 December 2005 15:01 (twenty years ago)

i had 'candy shop' on dubplate, in 2002.

Eh? Before Get Rich or Die Tryin' came out???

― Mr. Snrub, Monday, 19 December 2005 15:03 (twenty years ago)

B-b-but he won the Mercury Prize ... surely you know him?

― Jibé (Jibé), Monday, 19 December 2005 15:05 (twenty years ago)

WE LIVE IN AMERICA

― u saved me (dubplatestyle), Monday, 19 December 2005 15:05 (twenty years ago)

No reggaeton :(

my #1 was "Gasolina" (see individual lists)

― joseph cotten (joseph cotten), Monday, 19 December 2005 15:09 (twenty years ago)

I'm trying to find Pitchfork's old song reviews for some of these singles (y'know, the ones where they give star ratings). How do you search for them??? Why does their search function only work with album reviews??

― Mr. Snrub, Monday, 19 December 2005 15:11 (twenty years ago)

there's nothing but crappy rap in that list and a handful of freak folk

― corey c (shock of daylight), Monday, 19 December 2005 15:13 (twenty years ago)

I still object to claiming that Girls Aloud are virtually unknown in America and therefore don't even chart, yet Antony and the Johnsons deserve #1? Nonsense.

Sorry, folks, that is reflection of whatever bias/taste among PF writers.

― Mitya (mitya), Monday, 19 December 2005 15:14 (twenty years ago)

:-O

― u saved me (dubplatestyle), Monday, 19 December 2005 15:14 (twenty years ago)

i mean, the hell u say

― u saved me (dubplatestyle), Monday, 19 December 2005 15:14 (twenty years ago)

Alas, Mr. Snrub, your best bet is a Google search using "site:pitchforkmedia.com"

― marc h. (marc h.), Monday, 19 December 2005 15:15 (twenty years ago)

here's an easy way to resolve this: antony and girls aloud are both bullshit.

― u saved me (dubplatestyle), Monday, 19 December 2005 15:15 (twenty years ago)

fin.

― u saved me (dubplatestyle), Monday, 19 December 2005 15:15 (twenty years ago)

here's an easy way to resolve this: antony and girls aloud are both bullshit.

SOMEONE WHO GETS IT, FOLKS

― ESTEBAN BUTTEZ~!!, Monday, 19 December 2005 15:17 (twenty years ago)

x-post

more fun to pick on PF -- particularly as they are wrong in this case.

― Mitya (mitya), Monday, 19 December 2005 15:17 (twenty years ago)

esteban, if you wanna start writing under my name for pitchfork, holler

― u saved me (dubplatestyle), Monday, 19 December 2005 15:18 (twenty years ago)

the artist lists are pretty bad as well!

― Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Monday, 19 December 2005 15:18 (twenty years ago)

well don't blame pitchfork for that!

― poortheatre (poortheatre), Monday, 19 December 2005 15:20 (twenty years ago)

they can't help it if Broken Social Scene want to sit around all day listening to X&Y!

― poortheatre (poortheatre), Monday, 19 December 2005 15:21 (twenty years ago)

Alas, Mr. Snrub, your best bet is a Google search using "site:pitchforkmedia.com"

Yeah, and when I type that in along "Antony and the Johnsons", the actual page I'm looking for is like the 13th search result down. Fuck this.

Hey all you Pitchfork people! Why don't you have an index page for all your songs??

― Mr. Snrub, Monday, 19 December 2005 15:23 (twenty years ago)

On first listen, that Antony and the Johnsons single is pretty gay.

― Mr. Snrub, Monday, 19 December 2005 15:31 (twenty years ago)

Snrub: try "site:pitchforkmedia.com/tracks"

Chode: #1 mit a bullet!

― David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 19 December 2005 15:33 (twenty years ago)

frankly I'm shocked that Colin Meloy and Pusha T aren't huge fans of each other.

― Josh Love (screamapillar), Monday, 19 December 2005 15:34 (twenty years ago)

Also: Strongo Sulkington, I'm sending an unfinished bottle of Jack from a XMas party I attended this weekend, & an inflatable sheep (w/ lube). Stay strong.

― David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 19 December 2005 15:35 (twenty years ago)

jess since i neva eva give you ilm props i wanna say that damien marley review is maybe the sharpest, most honest thing ive read about music this year

― $#@!, Monday, 19 December 2005 15:37 (twenty years ago)

[hugglez xpost]

If you want the snowboarding Skinemax comedy (featuring Traci Lords!) I rec'd w/ the sheep, ring ring.

― David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 19 December 2005 15:37 (twenty years ago)

thank you mysterious stranger

― u saved me (dubplatestyle), Monday, 19 December 2005 15:41 (twenty years ago)

http://ginisty.typepad.com/weblog/images/zorro.jpg

― $#@!, Monday, 19 December 2005 15:43 (twenty years ago)

Who woulda guessed that ILX's own Drew Daniel, the reviewer of Antony for Pitchfork, is now running things there!

― curmudgeon, Monday, 19 December 2005 15:44 (twenty years ago)

After runimating over the Pitchfork and Stylus lists, the only question I have is, "Where the fuck are all you people hearing this Lindstrom thing?"

― Whiney G. Weingarten (whineyg), Monday, 19 December 2005 15:50 (twenty years ago)

TEH INTERWEBS, WHERE THE MPLETHREES ARE DARFLOADED

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 19 December 2005 15:50 (twenty years ago)

#1 album: your hard drive

― u saved me (dubplatestyle), Monday, 19 December 2005 15:52 (twenty years ago)

http://www.mediabistro.com/content/archives/04/06/15/eds/michel.jpg

― David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 19 December 2005 15:57 (twenty years ago)

http://www.painstick.com/MST3K%20Spotlight/Mitchell/pictures/mitchell%20thinking.jpg

― u saved me (dubplatestyle), Monday, 19 December 2005 15:57 (twenty years ago)

the worst part of that list is how the hip hop writers formed a voting bloc for a bunch of random Clipse and Cam'ron mixtape tracks that are revered by nobody else.

I'm kind of thrilled by the high placement of "Heard 'Em Say," though, I love that song.

― Al (sitcom), Monday, 19 December 2005 15:59 (twenty years ago)

I'm clearly familiar with the internet, Ned.

― Whiney G. Weingarten (whineyg), Monday, 19 December 2005 16:07 (twenty years ago)

the worst part of that list is how the hip hop writers formed a voting bloc for a bunch of random Clipse and Cam'ron mixtape tracks that are revered by nobody else.

you're not "FROM WICKER PARK"

― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Monday, 19 December 2005 16:09 (twenty years ago)

"Where the fuck are all you people hearing this Lindstrom thing?"

I bought it from a shop. I'm old school.

― Raw Patrick (Raw Patrick), Monday, 19 December 2005 16:10 (twenty years ago)

I'm clearly familiar with the internet, Ned.

Then I am bemused by your question.

Anyway, "MITCHELL!"

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 19 December 2005 16:11 (twenty years ago)

i think we should commit regicide and install joe don as pitchfork's new ruler

― u saved me (dubplatestyle), Monday, 19 December 2005 16:11 (twenty years ago)

:-D :-D

"You think you can take me? Go head on...IT'S YOUR MOVE."

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 19 December 2005 16:12 (twenty years ago)

I don't have the time to do this today, but if someone wanted to run a comparison between this thread and the Stylus 2005 singles thread, it would be, um, instructive.

― Eppy (Eppy), Monday, 19 December 2005 16:14 (twenty years ago)

no it wouldn't.

― u saved me (dubplatestyle), Monday, 19 December 2005 16:15 (twenty years ago)

in any sense.

― u saved me (dubplatestyle), Monday, 19 December 2005 16:15 (twenty years ago)

#1 album: your hard drive

my hard drive made the worst music article

― 'Twan (miccio), Monday, 19 December 2005 16:17 (twenty years ago)

Ultimate goal: to prove that internet music publications that hire different people with somewhat similar yet divergent tastes will create end-year lists that are similar yet somewhat divergent.

― David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 19 December 2005 16:17 (twenty years ago)

Sharks dance like this while Jets dance liks this

― 'Twan (miccio), Monday, 19 December 2005 16:18 (twenty years ago)

no bullshit british girl pop, no credibility

― u saved me (dubplatestyle), Monday, 19 December 2005 16:18 (twenty years ago)

My Chemical Romance vs. Antony and the Johnsons

― Al (sitcom), Monday, 19 December 2005 16:23 (twenty years ago)

you have selected regicide

― $#@!!, Monday, 19 December 2005 16:25 (twenty years ago)

the fingers you have used to type your webzine blurbs are too fat, to obtain a special critic's wand, please mash the keyboard with your hand now

― u saved me (dubplatestyle), Monday, 19 December 2005 16:26 (twenty years ago)

this thread has it all!

― s1ocki (slutsky), Monday, 19 December 2005 16:26 (twenty years ago)

no bullshit british girl pop, no credibility

Shut the fuck up and go listen to Art Brut.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Monday, 19 December 2005 16:27 (twenty years ago)

you're turning into the british pop alex in nyc dom.

― u saved me (dubplatestyle), Monday, 19 December 2005 16:29 (twenty years ago)

throw your newcastle brown can at the monitor now.

― u saved me (dubplatestyle), Monday, 19 December 2005 16:29 (twenty years ago)

http://images-eu.amazon.com/images/P/B00000JWHI.03.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

― $#@!!, Monday, 19 December 2005 16:29 (twenty years ago)

http://www.findadeath.com/Deceased/F/Chris%20Farley/farley2.jpg

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Monday, 19 December 2005 16:32 (twenty years ago)

i have faith you'll still find someone.

― u saved me (dubplatestyle), Monday, 19 December 2005 16:33 (twenty years ago)

www.okcupid.com

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Monday, 19 December 2005 16:34 (twenty years ago)

http://www.cupidsreviews.com/images/thumbs/jdate.jpg

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Monday, 19 December 2005 16:35 (twenty years ago)

http://www.republicanpassions.com/images/top.jpg

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Monday, 19 December 2005 16:36 (twenty years ago)

sub-esteban at best, tom.

― u saved me (dubplatestyle), Monday, 19 December 2005 16:36 (twenty years ago)

Read all the words, dinguses.

― Eppy (Eppy), Monday, 19 December 2005 16:38 (twenty years ago)

you would have to pay me to read either.

― u saved me (dubplatestyle), Monday, 19 December 2005 16:39 (twenty years ago)

I know you are, but what am I?

― 'Twan (miccio), Monday, 19 December 2005 16:39 (twenty years ago)

http://www.uka.no/images/web/Tittelbilder/artbrut_sak1.jpg

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Monday, 19 December 2005 16:40 (twenty years ago)

Oh geez how I wish I could play here all day

― Eppy (Eppy), Monday, 19 December 2005 16:42 (twenty years ago)

are there any lists out there on major sites/blogs/mags which include album tracks and other stuff that's not considered a 'single'?

― Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Monday, 19 December 2005 16:43 (twenty years ago)

The NME one!

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Monday, 19 December 2005 16:45 (twenty years ago)

amerie, so robbed.

― mark p (Mark P), Monday, 19 December 2005 17:06 (twenty years ago)

What's up with "Mr. Brightside" showing up all over the place. Didn't that record come out in 2004?

― William A Eastman, Monday, 19 December 2005 17:08 (twenty years ago)

Certainly looks like it came out in '04.

― Zimmer026 (Zimmer026), Monday, 19 December 2005 17:23 (twenty years ago)

It's all about the Jacques lu Cont can't do no wrong remix of the year...

― JoB (JoB), Monday, 19 December 2005 17:24 (twenty years ago)

It's all about it peaking in the Billboard top ten in the spring of 2005.

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 19 December 2005 17:26 (twenty years ago)

"since u been gone" theoretically "came out" in 2004 as well, but i doubt anyone would argue it was a 2005 single.

― u saved me (dubplatestyle), Monday, 19 December 2005 17:27 (twenty years ago)

Except for Eppy, you mean.

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 19 December 2005 17:28 (twenty years ago)

i dont even know who that is.

― u saved me (dubplatestyle), Monday, 19 December 2005 17:30 (twenty years ago)

is there any place to hear the clipse tracks that are cited, other than mailordering the mixtape?? i didn't even realize they were still recording!

― dave k, Monday, 19 December 2005 17:32 (twenty years ago)

Jess, he posted on this thread. Like ten posts ago.

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 19 December 2005 17:40 (twenty years ago)

so did a lot of people whose names mean absolutely nothing to be me, john.

― u saved me (dubplatestyle), Monday, 19 December 2005 17:41 (twenty years ago)

2002 (MMII) is a common year starting on Tuesday of the Gregorian calendar. It was designated the:

* International Year of Ecotourism and Mountains
* Year of the Outback in Australia
* National Science Year in the United Kingdom
* Autism Awareness Year in the United Kingdom

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Monday, 19 December 2005 17:43 (twenty years ago)

(Eppy = M1ke B4rth3l = an early champion of "Since U Been Gone" who put the song at the top of his 2004 P&J ballot and has since bemoaned that it is considered a 2005 single, much like Drake talks about how "Still Tippin'" is OLD.)

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 19 December 2005 17:44 (twenty years ago)

CLARITY IS MINE, THANKS DUDE

― u saved me (dubplatestyle), Monday, 19 December 2005 17:45 (twenty years ago)

i am sure he will sleep well tonight knowing he has outfoxed millions

― u saved me (dubplatestyle), Monday, 19 December 2005 17:45 (twenty years ago)

http://pitchforkmedia.com/top/2005/singles/lists.shtml

Individual Pitchfork contributors singles ballots--at least 5 with Antony. Who'd a thunk it?

― curmudgeon, Monday, 19 December 2005 18:13 (twenty years ago)

antony is on 14 ballots, what's your point?

― scott pl. (scott pl.), Monday, 19 December 2005 18:15 (twenty years ago)

OMG - dude's saying that there's a connection between Antony being on so many ballots & Antony getting the #1 spot!

― David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 19 December 2005 18:17 (twenty years ago)

i'd be shocked if he could sleep at all when jess harvell doesn't even know he exists! xpost

― Josh Love (screamapillar), Monday, 19 December 2005 18:18 (twenty years ago)

Just wait for the Static list.

― Raymond Cummings (Raymond Cummings), Monday, 19 December 2005 18:19 (twenty years ago)

Let me apologize publically for forgetting that Neung Phak's "Fucking USA" (on Abduction, I think?) came out as a single this year, I should have put it on my list and voted for it.

― Drew Daniel (Drew Daniel), Monday, 19 December 2005 18:20 (twenty years ago)

I think the point, Scott, is that clearly the Pitchfork list is totally fucking RIGGED to reflect the tastes of the writers and staff and whatever they think is good! It's like dude said up above, this is all obviously a "reflection of whatever bias/taste among PF writers."

You've been BUSTED.

― nabiscothingy, Monday, 19 December 2005 18:37 (twenty years ago)

i think the point is that most pitchfork writers have ass taste.

― u saved me (dubplatestyle), Monday, 19 December 2005 18:38 (twenty years ago)

you just said "ass taste"

― s1ocki (slutsky), Monday, 19 December 2005 18:38 (twenty years ago)

Maybe Mitchum's list works, he probably used SCIENTIFIC LABORATORY METHODS using test tubes and computerized spectral analysis.

― nabiscothingy, Monday, 19 December 2005 18:39 (twenty years ago)

the best was when mark p was arguing with ethan that no one writes for pitchfork for the money.

― u saved me (dubplatestyle), Monday, 19 December 2005 18:39 (twenty years ago)

well, the artist lists demonstrate that the artists who pitchfork write about also read pitchfork. i discovered that me and drew had 75% the same sonic highlights of the year. i liked d. leone and nick s.'s lists.

― firstworldman (firstworldman), Monday, 19 December 2005 18:45 (twenty years ago)

antony is on 14 ballots, what's your point? -- scott pl. (scot...), December 19th, 2005.

Nothing too critical actually. I guess I just do not read Pitchfork enough. It seemed like a surprising choice for top single to me--I've seen Antony's name mentioned all over, and have heard sound samples, but I didn't see him turning up on top of other singles ballots by writers who listen to alot more music than I do. Scott, I like that Pitchfork now has Jess, JShep, Phillip S., and that monthly grime column.

― curmudgeon, Monday, 19 December 2005 19:18 (twenty years ago)

all lists tend toward the middle - including most individuals', i would guess, since a certain process of self-editing is always inherent in any listmaking (that is, after all, part of the definition of the list). is it strange to see certain dance tracks (especially tracks i never heard played out in clubs, and whose only buzz seemed to be online in more indie-centric circles) rise so far, somewhat arbitrarily. but at least pitchfork published my complete list (apologies for not proposing 50), so people who are curious about that sort of thing but lack resources can seek them out. even within that list, who's to say that there weren't 25 or 50 or 100 tracks as good or better; on another day my list might have been 50% different. but it's a start. obv i write for pitchfork, full disclosure etc etc, but i don't think that blaming them for the indie-ness of american culture is quite the right approach; after all, they've opened up to other forms of music (in a non-tokenistic way) quite a bit more than other pubs in a similar cultural space.

― philip sherburne (philip sherburne), Monday, 19 December 2005 19:41 (twenty years ago)

i can assure you that hive single was a big dancefloor number this year, phil.

― u saved me (dubplatestyle), Monday, 19 December 2005 19:46 (twenty years ago)

i do have to say that when i see lists like this i understand vahid that much more. (people other than germans and those who want to be germans make dance music.)

― u saved me (dubplatestyle), Monday, 19 December 2005 19:47 (twenty years ago)

explain, jess? you mean, simply because most of the "dance" artists here are german, hence pointing out by absence the narrowness of a certain perspective?

― philip sherburne (philip sherburne), Monday, 19 December 2005 20:01 (twenty years ago)

if nothing else it points out that my column is exactly as much pissing in the wind as i think it is every month.

― u saved me (dubplatestyle), Monday, 19 December 2005 20:03 (twenty years ago)

by my count there are two Germans on the list (Superpitcher and Isolee)

― Good Dog (Good Dog), Monday, 19 December 2005 20:03 (twenty years ago)

list does support my feeling that 2005 = no real movement, no particular trend, what gets voted for = just a grab bag of what was listened to (which I guess is basically what all lists are, but this one in particular seems pretty non-agenda-ized in that respect, unless you say pfork wanted to hype hip-hop this year)

― Dominique (dleone), Monday, 19 December 2005 20:27 (twenty years ago)

(and I don't think we did)

― Dominique (dleone), Monday, 19 December 2005 20:28 (twenty years ago)

well, only if you take pop music at its broadest, perhaps.... within techno, there were certainly movements, trends and developments aplenty. but i suspect you mean from the macro view, which i couldn't begin to speak to, because it's been years since i participated in pop music in any larger sense.

― philip sherburne (philip sherburne), Monday, 19 December 2005 20:38 (twenty years ago)

yeah, I'm just thinking in general. actually, techno trends are the only ones I'd be interested in reading about anyway

― Dominique (dleone), Monday, 19 December 2005 20:44 (twenty years ago)

i dont know who he is, but i will give mark richardson all the blowjobs in the world for putting the MFA/Superpitcher as his #1 single of 2005.

― phil-two (phil-two), Monday, 19 December 2005 20:50 (twenty years ago)

Mark is a great writer and very friendly. Also, if I'm not mistaken, married.

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 19 December 2005 20:54 (twenty years ago)

is there anything you don't know?

― jed_ (jed), Monday, 19 December 2005 20:57 (twenty years ago)

married guys dont want blowjobs?

― phil-two (phil-two), Monday, 19 December 2005 20:57 (twenty years ago)

not usually from gay men.

― jed_ (jed), Monday, 19 December 2005 21:00 (twenty years ago)

(alas)

― jed_ (jed), Monday, 19 December 2005 21:00 (twenty years ago)

there are those that exist

― 'Twan (miccio), Monday, 19 December 2005 21:01 (twenty years ago)

people forget elton john was married to a woman once

― 'Twan (miccio), Monday, 19 December 2005 21:01 (twenty years ago)

always try to forget elton.

― jed_ (jed), Monday, 19 December 2005 21:03 (twenty years ago)

http://www.southernvoice.com/2004/12-10/arts/feature/ecl-on-the-down.jpg

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 19 December 2005 21:05 (twenty years ago)

This is a sexy tangent

― 'Twan (miccio), Monday, 19 December 2005 21:07 (twenty years ago)

i don't think mark is african-american

― u saved me (dubplatestyle), Monday, 19 December 2005 21:08 (twenty years ago)

No, he's blond.

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 19 December 2005 21:12 (twenty years ago)

sisqo.jpg

― 'Twan (miccio), Monday, 19 December 2005 21:15 (twenty years ago)

i want hair color for every pitchfork staffer past and present by 4:45 est, j.

― u saved me (dubplatestyle), Monday, 19 December 2005 21:15 (twenty years ago)

It's not fair of people to criticise the list for being narrow as a whole and then simultaneously use it as a serious measure of some worrying trend in a particular genre or whatever, in this case, dance music.

I mean if you think it's a narrow list generally, then there's no cause for getting upset or making some theory out of the fact that the dance artists on it are Superpitcher and Isolée. (Though Trentemoller is not German it's worth noting)

I mean, Superpitcher and Isolée are crossover successes! Didn't we know this already, from umm...reading this board!

Are the works of theirs included still not some of the best electronic music of the last 12 months? Many people, some of whom know that black people made dance music once upon a time, and do not write for Pitchfork, would agree!!!!!

Seriously though it's also worth noting neither Isolée nor either of the Superpitcher inclusions can be mashed into any of the precast arguments we've had about German dance music as they stand at the moment, unless someone cares to rejig those arguments for the purpose of tracks which are barely house and barely tracks at all.... (but still "dance music" at least as far as who's making it and who's enjoying it goes)

― Ronan (Ronan), Monday, 19 December 2005 21:15 (twenty years ago)

Are Helen Love on this list? I've not looked yet.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Monday, 19 December 2005 21:24 (twenty years ago)

― Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Monday, 19 December 2005 21:28 (twenty years ago)

actually ronan my point was that more exists out there than the slim intersection between house and techno that people have been banging on about for the past two/three years.

― u saved me (dubplatestyle), Monday, 19 December 2005 21:28 (twenty years ago)

BROWN
D. Raposa
T. Breihan
A. Phillips
D. Daniel
M. LeMay
R. Mitchum
N. Sylvester
R. Schreiber
J. Shepherd
E. Carr

LIGHT/SANDY BROWN
C. Kaskie
S. Plagenhoef

BLOND
M. Richardson
A. Petrusich

RED
D. Pecoraro

BLACK
N. Abebe

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 19 December 2005 21:31 (twenty years ago)

ahem.

― u saved me (dubplatestyle), Monday, 19 December 2005 21:32 (twenty years ago)

BROWN!?!?! Dude, I am totally black w/ gray highlights! You're on notice, pal.

― David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 19 December 2005 21:33 (twenty years ago)

where in the fuck was Imogen Heap "Hide and Seek"? This was a single, no? Pitchfork gave it five stars and it was a killer single. Did they all forget about it? Cause I'm listening to this Tremoller remix, which fucking sucks and sounds like some Paul Van Dyk garbage, and don't see why it couldn't be replaced.

― Tynan DeLong (TynanTynan!), Monday, 19 December 2005 21:34 (twenty years ago)

RAINBOW FAUX-HAWK
J. Harvell

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 19 December 2005 21:37 (twenty years ago)

x-post
Whenever people talk about the "lack of real trends or movements" in '05, I feel like I live in a parallel universe - you know, one where there are TWO all-reggaeton-all-the-time FM stations in New York, and there weren't any 12 months ago.

― joseph cotten (joseph cotten), Monday, 19 December 2005 21:45 (twenty years ago)

what's reggae?

― Dominique (dleone), Monday, 19 December 2005 21:48 (twenty years ago)

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― u saved me (dubplatestyle), Monday, 19 December 2005 21:48 (twenty years ago)

REGGAETONED
M. Idov

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 19 December 2005 21:48 (twenty years ago)

hahahaha

― joseph cotten (joseph cotten), Monday, 19 December 2005 21:57 (twenty years ago)

You know I'm not much of a popist - I'm an indie bandwagoneer with half-hidden goth proclivities - but the reggaeton shutout does seem surprising, no?

Well, i guess it's not a total shutout ('Fork "Gasolina" scores: Breihan 44, Harvell 18, Hogan 50, Scott 43).

― joseph cotten (joseph cotten), Monday, 19 December 2005 22:00 (twenty years ago)

"Gasolina" is totally a token pick on my part insofar as I dont really like reggaeton at all.

― u saved me (dubplatestyle), Monday, 19 December 2005 22:01 (twenty years ago)

I think there's still a huge reggaeton breakout song waiting to happen. "Gasolina" came close but not quite.

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 19 December 2005 22:03 (twenty years ago)

Well, "don't really like reggaeton at all" is an exaggeration. I have yet to crack the repetition code.

― u saved me (dubplatestyle), Monday, 19 December 2005 22:03 (twenty years ago)

actually ronan my point was that more exists out there than the slim intersection between house and techno that people have been banging on about for the past two/three years.

haha well what do you suggest?

funny though, once again I have to question whether Isolée's "Schrapnell" and both of those Superpitcher tracks really do exist in the "slim intersection between house and techno", do they?

You could just as easily complain that the list was totally unrepresentative of any dancefloor track music but I'm not sure what the point would be.

The inclusions could be so much worse!! just thank your lucky stars there are no dance album acts these days, are Superpitcher and co really so bad?

― Ronan (Ronan), Monday, 19 December 2005 22:06 (twenty years ago)

haha well ronan i write a drum & bass column every month for the same publication so...

i think if phil is really confused about why records that may not have actually rocked a euro dancefloor placed so high, he's forgotten how america works.

― u saved me (dubplatestyle), Monday, 19 December 2005 22:07 (twenty years ago)

I donno I always think of "Gasolina" as being huge. I'm fairly certain that part of the reason it didn't top many polls this year is because it was pretty solidly '04. I missed it too. "Rompe" this year seems like it could be just as big to me, but maybe I'm totally wrong.

― deej.. (deej..), Monday, 19 December 2005 22:17 (twenty years ago)

"Rompe" does not seem quite as big to me. Reggaeton also has the language gap, and not every city has a station or clubs hyping it.

But yep, it's that time of year when folks complain, rightly so I think, that "specialty" genres don't get the attention they should. But there's already a backlash to this notion:

Writer Mark Jenkins, who likes rock,bhangra, afropop, and avante-classical sounds, nevertheless defended NME's rock-heavy 2005 list against charges that it was not multiculturally eclectic enough. I do not agree with this Jenkins piece (although I like other things he's written alot):

http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/indc/what/what.html

"To some early commentators, the horror was not that Bloc Party beat the Arcade Fire (a 2004 release in North America), but that either band took a top slot. Why not, say, Danger Doom, Amadou & Mariam, or—to pick a Brit—Lady Sovereign? The only mainstream hiphop act on the NME list is Kanye West, who in just two albums has become a best-of obligation...
One of the two reasons for the resurgence of so-called white rock—and let's note here that the frontman of list-topping Bloc Party is not white—is the decline of electronica, rock's principal competitor on the British charts for the last 20 years. Another, I suspect, is that NME's readership has gotten younger and is thus less inclined toward eclecticism. And there's one more possibility: sheer fatigue at the range of new subgenres, cross-pollinations, and over-hyped trends that will expire in a year or two...Yet it's a safe bet that most NME readers don't listen to Japanese space-rock, obscure '60s English folk, or Indian ragas. They prefer music with rhythm and melody, and lyrics that express the agonies, pleasures, and uncertainties of adolescence. That's rock, mostly."
quoted from his online Washington City Paper What Goes On column.

― curmudgeon, Monday, 19 December 2005 22:32 (twenty years ago)

'gasolina' was even huge in BRITAIN

― The Lex (The Lex), Monday, 19 December 2005 22:41 (twenty years ago)

Aww... No "We Belong Together"

― Tape Store (Tape Store), Monday, 19 December 2005 22:44 (twenty years ago)

Actually, "Candy Shop" WAS 2004, 50 leaked it in December cause his record was supposed to come out in February (it WAS called "The St. Valentine's Day Massacre" before it got bumped and he changed it to "The Massacre").

It doesn't really matter, but either way, it didn't get insane rotation till' late January or February, but it was technically released to the public / internet in December.

― Erock LAzron, Monday, 19 December 2005 22:46 (twenty years ago)

where in the fuck was Imogen Heap "Hide and Seek"?

it was, like, #51 or 52

― scott pl. (scott pl.), Monday, 19 December 2005 23:02 (twenty years ago)

ouch.

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 19 December 2005 23:13 (twenty years ago)

"Rompe" gets constant play from la kalle, the reggaeton station here. Not that this guarantees crossover or anything. Obviously it's quite difficult when the language barrier is an issue to be anything other than tokenistic w reggaeton, but what was so addictive about "Gasolina" (never mind "Rompe") superseded that to a degree. Which is fine, obviously.

― deej.. (deej..), Monday, 19 December 2005 23:18 (twenty years ago)

i don't understand why the "language barrier" keeps raising its head wrt reggaeton. do people really give a fuck what the words are about, especially when there are so few of them? (this is, in part, an honest question, because i've never cared about words in songs, or at least almost never - perhaps that's why i prefer songs without words.)

― philip sherburne (philip sherburne), Monday, 19 December 2005 23:44 (twenty years ago)

You can't sing along! At least, without embarrassing yrself.

― deej.. (deej..), Tuesday, 20 December 2005 00:02 (twenty years ago)

Actually, "Candy Shop" WAS 2004, 50 leaked it in December cause his record was supposed to come out in February

that's 'disco inferno' ur thinking of

― hold tight the private caller (mwah), Tuesday, 20 December 2005 00:08 (twenty years ago)

Pitchfork got it mostly right again (again!), and so they should be congratulated. I wish Stay Fly got higher than Random, and Kryptonite should have been on there, but nobody’s perfect. Pitchfork’s list didn’t cover reggaeton, but I don’t think the list has to be a musical state of the union. The list also didn’t cover the critical resurgence of Detroit techno, or the emergence of baile funk, or hick-hop, but that’s ok, right?

Sasha F/J’s last piece said that “As a genre, reggaetón is where hip-hop was twenty-five years ago, slowly making the transition from dance singles and d.j.s to hit songs and stars.” This might explain the slow critical reception. Lots of people have heard “Gasolina,” magazines have run “TREND ALERT: NEW GENRE” articles, but I haven’t really gotten to get a feel for the personality of any of the artists. I think that’s where the language barrier becomes relevant. I’ve come to know and like Pitbull, but I think he’s more crunk en español. I mean, I turned on 96.3 here in L.A. and shit is pretty wild, and it’s all over the place. It’s Twangy guitars feed through electro filters and wildly shifting tempos and all sorts of quirks, but it’s hard to sit through 20 minutes of the same damn drum break.

I heard both Candy Shop AND Disco Inferno on the radio in Dec 2004. Not braggin, just sayin.

I thought that "Hide and Seek" was obvious and sentimental, like a garden state soundtrack sequel. It sounds... made for the O.C.
Am I wrong?

― theghostrobot, Tuesday, 20 December 2005 00:46 (twenty years ago)

Also, you guys do realise that Girls Aloud is a pile of shit?

Esteban Buttez OTM.

― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Tuesday, 20 December 2005 00:50 (twenty years ago)

it’s hard to sit through 20 minutes of the same damn drum break

"Now, now, Ghost Robot!"

― joseph cotten (joseph cotten), Tuesday, 20 December 2005 00:50 (twenty years ago)

Is MIA paying tribute to:

http://photo.sing365.com/music/picture.nsf/SingerPicUnid/48256C71003578A248256A920023C68C/$file/hall+oates.jpg

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 20 December 2005 00:53 (twenty years ago)

Or...

― joseph cotten (joseph cotten), Tuesday, 20 December 2005 00:56 (twenty years ago)

i dig the repetition in the music. i mean, i like baltimore club, and that's just the sing sing drum break for the last 10 years. i just think repetative drums can limit the appeal of new genres of music, and may explain the slow critical reaction.

that said, it was incredible to hear MIA on the missy album and that insane 'nookie' soca riddum. maybe she'll do reggaeton next year. or a hall and oats cover. or screwed and chopped hall and oats cover en español.

― theghostrobot (theghostrobot), Tuesday, 20 December 2005 00:59 (twenty years ago)

Kelly Clarkson? What is it with Americans and their bland radio rock?

― Lovelace (Lovelace), Tuesday, 20 December 2005 01:15 (twenty years ago)

um . . . we're not Englandthankfuckinggod, maybe?

― Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Tuesday, 20 December 2005 01:17 (twenty years ago)

yes, let's make this an america vs england thing. fun!

― Lovelace (Lovelace), Tuesday, 20 December 2005 01:18 (twenty years ago)

glass houses ahoy!

― Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Tuesday, 20 December 2005 01:19 (twenty years ago)

only im not english or british...

― Lovelace (Lovelace), Tuesday, 20 December 2005 01:20 (twenty years ago)

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y45/matlhendo/Hacksaw_Jim_Duggan_-_James_Duggan_04.jpg

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 20 December 2005 01:23 (twenty years ago)

let's recap:

Loveless: ad hominem raspberry at America
Matos: it could be worse--there are other countries w/worse mainstream rock, like England
Loveless: oh, so now you're making it a contest between countries!
Matos: you're the one who started it, d00d

― Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Tuesday, 20 December 2005 01:24 (twenty years ago)

Where is Hacksaw Jim Duggan in your description, Matos?

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 20 December 2005 01:27 (twenty years ago)

I started something, but it wasnt what you tried to make it out to be.

― Lovelace (Lovelace), Tuesday, 20 December 2005 01:29 (twenty years ago)

Loveless: I don't like koalas
Matos: What are you talking about? Koalas are so much better than capybaras. You're an idiot.
Loveless: Umm, I never mentioned capybaras. And I don't like them anyway. I was saying I didn't like koalas.
Matos: lol u like stoopid animals amirite?

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 20 December 2005 01:30 (twenty years ago)

haha I didn't call anyone an idiot, but think what you like anyway Dom

― Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Tuesday, 20 December 2005 01:57 (twenty years ago)

HOOOOOOO! TOUGH GUY!

― ESTEBAN BUTTEZ~!!, Tuesday, 20 December 2005 03:39 (twenty years ago)

Matos, I'm with you on this one. Koalas are secret savages!

― regular roundups (Dave M), Tuesday, 20 December 2005 04:40 (twenty years ago)

On a different note, I'm a little bummed that news writers didn't get to vote (or at least I didn't!), but I don't think they ever have, so I guess I can't be too livid. But I will say this:

Let me in na! Let me in na! Ryan S, Scott P, let me in na!

― regular roundups (Dave M), Tuesday, 20 December 2005 04:54 (twenty years ago)

well the whole albums list is up now. new thread?

― älänbänänä (alanbanana), Tuesday, 20 December 2005 07:39 (twenty years ago)

o yes plz!

― j blount (papa la bas), Tuesday, 20 December 2005 07:53 (twenty years ago)

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