Natalie Imbruglia- Torn

TS: torn vs Kiss me

And she sang about lying naked on the floor. Personally, that's all I ever got out of it.

Wooo-EEEEE
Eeee-WOOOO

I love "Torn" more now then when it came out.

for some reason i had "torn" going through my head this morning. i don't get why it was such a major hit, it's not really all that catchy or interesting, the only thing memorable about it at all is that weird line "cold and i am shamed, lying naked on the floor." what was THAT all about? anyway "kiss me" was way better.

"White Lilies Island" is probably the best pop female singer-songwriter album of the decade, too.

Torn
Pigeons & Crumbs
Smoke
Leave Me Alone
Wrong Impression
Everything Goes
Do You Love?
Talk In Tongues
Starting Today
Sanctuary

No, just savage indifference. I think I've only heard it twice.

Kiss Me, certainly. And the other Sixpence single.

"Lovefool," "Torn," "Stay" and "Building A Mystery" are always just bubbling right underneath the surface of my brain. Girl-pop/Lilith Rock was the non-hip hop savior of the late '90s.

ilm has so many retards on it! don't you people have enough porn?

'torn' is a geat song, really fantastic, but nothing else in the imbroolyooly canon is even listenable. can't think of many gulfs in quality so massive between an artist's best song and her other songs.

I like the song "Wrong Impression" lots. I just wanted to state that for the record.

But apart from that, if I like that one, are there other NI songs that I should seek out?

eww lex may b right. that kt just makes me shiver

THREE WAY:

torn vs. kiss me vs. stay (by lisa loeb)

STAY

stay, obv. i heard Torn in TGI Fridays tonight but all i could think of was that guy that did the mime dance thing a whatever. waste.

I like this song well enough. The Ednaswap version always seemed to wear its alt-rock trappings poorly. It was like a singer/songwriter at a coffee house open-mic who felt the need to hit a few flat notes now and then to market themselves as alternative. Torn just works better as a big slick pop song. I've never heard the rest of Ednaswap's or Imbruglia's output.

"savage indifference" is a good phrase.

'shiver' is a good forgotten imbroglio jam

<3 torn

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VV1XWJN3nJo

<3 torn

― lex pretend, Friday, October 23, 2009

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w23pb5uRi4s

I remember this being all over the radio (almost as much as "Torn", I thought) but it looks like it didn't even make the Hot 100 at the time. she sounds more like a Max Martin popstar tween than an earnest singer-songwriter here but I don't know if that holds true for the rest of her non-"Torn" material.

her indie little sister Laura is bad and annoying.

that's whats goin on..

Has this got something to do with Will Self

lying naked on the floor

I saw Will Self in Clapham High Street this very afternoon!

my brother bought the album because i guess the single was nowhere to be found when he wanted it. i remember "wishing i was there" being the only other track he ever played from it. i think i might have heard it on the radio a few times too.

i literally just cried for two hours to this song on replay.

cheerleadingislyfe21 16 hours ago

I hear this song whenever I'm in a casino. I think there's something about the desperation and passionate energy that is an appropriate score behind the desperate roulette player in Gary, Indiana.

Or the casinos just bought one playlist in 2002 and it still includes this and "Soak Up The Sun."

i literally just cried for two hours to this song on replay.

cheerleadingislyfe21 16 hours ago

― Ayatollah Colm Meaney (Princess TamTam)

plz keep my youtube comments off ilx

oh man, this song was playing in the car on my way to prom and it made me super emotional about what ~might have been.~ then halfway through the dance my friend and I bailed and sat by the beach and tried to make sea otters emerge from the water using wicca magick.

her indie little sister Laura is bad and annoying.

liked her early on shen she was basically comedy songs with barely-hacky gtr, lost interest when she "went punk," badly, went to the all-country-covers week of her residency shows last year and loved it

hate this song a lot

^ ban

so horrible

i'm undecided.

we have a long and complicated history tho because I already hated the song, like vehemently hated, but then when Get a Grip came out we inexplicably got named one of Spin's "Best Bands You've Never Heard Of" for 1994 and the copy read "the singer could be N. Imbruglia's fucked up kid brother" or something similar and we were like fuckin A of all the things, maybe we should have retired after Done With Mirrors like everybody said, but then a lifetime later, on our 2007 World Tour, we're playing in Sydney and our TM is like, much excitement out there in the crowd, evidently N.I.'s sister is here and we're like what is with this mystical fuckin Imbruglia connection

"the singer could be N. Imbruglia's fucked up kid brother"

Really!

well, the similarity of appearance is uncanny

Oh, Tyler dawg, the Spin archive on google books reveals that it was a different female performer.

oh ha fuck yr right

anyway the greater point, i.e. that "Torn" is horrible, stands

co-signed

I'm all out of faith.

I think we played the hell out of this album back when I worked at Sam Goody. That's my full comment. Oh, and it's one of those songs where I prefer the slick corporate cover to the original version with all the integrity or whatever.

kkvgz in the super-elite class of people who might be able, at knifepoint, to name another song by the Profane Miss N

anyway the greater point, i.e. that "Torn" is horrible, stands

― love in a grain elevator (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Sunday, July 10, 2011 8:12 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark

Aerosmith's 'Crying' vs. Imbruglia's 'Torn' FITE

the real 'Crying' or the hypothetical equivalent?

The real 'Crying'

this song's the best

wake the hell up y'all

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GGdyG_83nX4

"torn" is better than "crying" no doubt. also eating one pound of shit is better than eating three pounds and washing it down with ball sweat

xps: I could never be sure though, because it was rotated in and out with White on Blonde and Heather Nova's Siren. 97-98 was a big blur of female-fronted adult alternative for me.

guys please stop embarrassing me

get on my level

i'm all out of faith, this is how i feel

washing it down with ball sweat

this disgusts you?

we have a long and complicated history tho because I already hated the song, like vehemently hated, but then when Get a Grip came out we inexplicably got named one of Spin's "Best Bands You've Never Heard Of" for 1994 and the copy read "the singer could be N. Imbruglia's fucked up kid brother" or something similar and we were like fuckin A of all the things, maybe we should have retired after Done With Mirrors like everybody said, but then a lifetime later, on our 2007 World Tour, we're playing in Sydney and our TM is like, much excitement out there in the crowd, evidently N.I.'s sister is here and we're like what is with this mystical fuckin Imbruglia connection

― love in a grain elevator (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Sunday, July 10, 2011 1:38 PM

looooooooooool yes!!!

oh man you know another song that tore my high school shit up? the one that goes "this is the story of a girl, who cried a river AND DROWNED THE WHOLE WORRRRRRRRLD." devastating.

so i guess the fortune teller's right

I'm pretty ambivalent about the song but she was my haircut icon for years after that video.

I wonder if she's still married to the anorexic singer from silverchair. lol silverchair.

PURE MASSACREEEEEEEEEEEEEE....PURE MASSACREREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

ILL MAKE IT UP TO U IN THE YR 2000

ick :/

Bummed that there's no thread for "Ana's Song (Open Fire)"

ANA WRECKS YR LIFE

like an anorexia life!

OK wait I have no idea what you're talking about now.

Are those Silverchair songs?

I had the album that song was on (Neon Ballroom). so extremely pretentious.......and not in a good way. if ever there was a group that needed to stay away from the orchestral sounds, it was Silverchair

xpost yes

the lyric in Ana's Song is literally "Ana wrecks your life, like an anorexia life" :/

oof

i always thought it was "like an anorexic love"

God why did you have to remind me of those guys

xpost not according to the lyric sheet!

Friends have suggested to me that it's the most awkward/amazing key change between verse and chorus of alltime.

it was funny cuz when they first came out amongst people aged 15-16 it was like they were gods simply cuz dude was attractive, had a mature voice, and played loud geetars. didn't take long for nobody to give a fuck...at...all.

"Anthem for the Year 2000" is really the point where you had to realize 'oh this isn't a joke? shiiiiiiiiiiit....'

You know a little too much about Silverchair dude.

lol my friend was obsessed with em when I was in high school, was hard to escape it...

I'm so sorry.

That's not a bad thing.. Silverchair memories are good lmao's.

I think they're hilarious anyway.

very hard to drink

it's funny how Ben Kweller, who came out around the same time, seemed to have a better career...

Not til 2002 or so.. I didn't hear Radish past 120 Minutes.

yea mostly when he went solo. Radish got mostly dismissed by the commercial press as too deriviative.

hate this song a lot

― love in a grain elevator (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Sunday, July 10, 2011 9:44 AM (8 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

i knew i could count on you

to have a shitty opinion

markers, you will understand this--the late 90s, on mix 98.5 (now mix 104 iirc) were exemplified by two songs--this and the unplugged version of "counting blue cars." i heard them both every day and they drove me fuckin' crazy.

^^^^ WTF are you talking about...

Shit no one cares about: "Torn" was on side 2 of my Spring '98 mixtape which segued into "Closing Time." "Ana's Song" segued out of Ben Lee's "Nothing Much Happens" on my summer '99 mixtape probably because I was trying to do an Australia 2-in-a-row thing.

xpost loooooool cad<3

still think AERO IS WRONG THOUGH tbh

I hate "Torn" but I'd rather listen to it for the rest of my life than "Counting Blue Cars"...

Closing time is literally the shittiest song ever.

ok maybe not ever

but

YES

Markers you know we're tight but you, my friend, have some seriously questionable taste in mid-late 90s pop music.

xpost actually the song that most made me wanted to put my own head in a vice in high school was either "Sex and Candy" by Marcy Playground or "Got You Where I Want You" by The Flys

then again though I actually bought and enjoyed the New Radicals' album

"Torn" was on side 2 of my Spring '98 mixtape which segued into "Closing Time."

closing time omg! i had forgotten all about it.

"Closing Time" was particularly traumatic for me because I went to Boy Scout camp in 1999, and when it was time for the woodshop to close at night, they'd lock the doors and put that song on and make us kids clean up all the stray awls and wood shavings and shit whether we wanted to or not. by comparison, lying naked on the floor (cold, chained) seemed like a right good time.

I would wager that 98% of the shit markers hears as The Great Music Of His Childhood is stuff I would literally donate blood to have the master tapes destroyed

I have a May '98 type with "Torn" and the Wu's "Triumph" back to back.

*tape

followed by "Unfinished Sympathy," Garbage's "Push It," and Madonna's "Ray of Light." Man, that was a good tape.

well, the part of the tape with the Wu-Tang Clan on it was good, anyway

dunno why this thread is now about songs from 1998-9 that aren't "Torn" and aren't even in the same league as "Torn".

(Wu-Tang song excepted)

Markers you know we're tight but you, my friend, have some seriously questionable taste in mid-late 90s pop music.

― my ponies hate you (ENBB), Sunday, July 10, 2011 5:57 PM

<3 (but i have awesome taste tbh)

xpost "Push It" is def on the same tape as "Torn," as is "Fire It Up" by Busta Rhymes... I used to videotape 120 Minutes in high quality and dub the audio onto cassettes which was my pre-Napster method.

torn used to be on mtv all the time in like 1997! and it was \(^o^)/

and closing time too, although maybe that one was in 1998?

true story, when all the small things was still mtv i printed out the lyrics from the internet so i could learn at least some of them

i liked mtv

always i know u'll be at my show

It's also weird that "Torn" was shown on 120 Minutes several times.

dunno why this thread is now about songs from 1998-9 that aren't "Torn" and aren't even in the same league as "Torn".

they are in the same league as "Torn," because, along with "Torn," they're songs that made people go "ok fuck this shit I'm just going to listen to rap and metal until pop music gets its shit together"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_IooIZbqcBs

I recall the chain of events between a "120 Minutes" debut and appearing for the 7th consecutive week on VH1's top 20 was usually about 4 months in those days.

then again though I actually bought and enjoyed the New Radicals' album

It really was one of the very few Pop CDs during that time period that I could stomach along with Ray of Light and Before These Crowded Streets. I was going through that teenage "I don't want to listen to boy groups and blonde pop sluts" phase. I always thought it was cool how Maybe You've Been Brainwashed Too was basically a weird mumbly track to cover for the fact that the real lyrics in the booklet had to do with giving a big middle finger to the recording industry.

no one hates the new radicals

how can you hate you get what you give

you can't

hated it the first time I heard it, still hate it

People don't like the part where he says "we'll kick your ass in"

that whole era was just like the worst music

it's a horror of a song. really repetitive, horrible voice, that bit where he does the "just name loads of pop-cultural figures and stuff" a la we didn't start the fire.

. . .

like if I was God I would offer a "you get to pick a different era so you don't have to have memories of shitty pop music" option for people who grew up then

that whole era was just like the worst music

There was lots of good stuff.. just not on VH1.

y'all have the music in you, you just have to open up yr hearts first and realize you truly love natalie imbruglia and new radicals

Wu-Tang and Hum are not shit.

hat bit where he does the "just name loads of pop-cultural figures and stuff"

ooh that is totally the most pathetic part. "maybe if I name Marilyn Manson, he'll respond!" I saw an interview with MM where the guy asked him "do you have anything to say about being called out in the New Radicals song?" and Manson gave the best most dismissive "who? I honestly have no idea what you're talking about" response

like if I was God I would offer a "you get to pick a different era so you don't have to have memories of shitty pop music" option for people who grew up then

― love in a grain elevator (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Sunday, July 10, 2011

and i wouldn't take it because the pop music of my youth included quality stuff like eagle eye cherry and nelly before he was ~#500 in the pazz & jop singles list

xpost I think Manson challenged him to a fight iirc

quality stuff like eagle eye cherry

Was always annoyed that she called her album 'Left of the Middle'. I humbly suggest that simply 'Left' would have sufficed to get her otherwise laudable not-on-the-rightness across.

looool eagle eye cherry, truly bad music, you are to be greatly pitied

y'all can tell me i have shit taste in music but i don't caaaaaaaareeeeeeeee

just want to mention I now have "snackin' naked on the floor" stuck in my head...

h8 u all..

i will literally take on all of ilm w/r/t these songs

you're all wrong, every single one of you!

if something happens that you do get to go through it again like I advise listening to really abrasive power electronics, horrible Norwegian stuff and shit...you'll still come out better than if you listen to eagle eye cherry

new radicals were THE WORST!

looool y'all

WAKE UP KIDS

DON'T LET GO

THIS WORLD IS GONNA PULL THROUGH

'97 and '98 weren't great pop years, but they were good R&B years.

'99 was awesome all around.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DL7-CKirWZE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bXACOCJRIL0

quality stuff like eagle eye cherry quality stuff like eagle eye cherry quality stuff like eagle eye cherry quality stuff like eagle eye cherry quality stuff like eagle eye cherry quality stuff like eagle eye cherry quality stuff like eagle eye cherry quality stuff like eagle eye cherry

Monida, Mariah Carey's "My All," Missy, Busta...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nntd2fgMUYw

I like Flagpole Sitta. Fuck you

YES!

YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'm not defending "Torn" but every year has good shit....

Compared to the diluted simple syrup of Swirl 360 or the teen-idol rappa-billy of Jimmy Ray, Imbruglia's modern pop is Rumours. Not only is she extraordinarily pretty without being too blatant in her babitude, she's got the brains and will to make up her own songs (and did I mention how pretty she is?). Thus she's earned our respect. But under all their state-of-the-studio-art, her competent songs are no more distinctive than the competent songs of hundreds of less pretty women. This was no stiff--RCA milked platinum and a follow-up single out of the sure shot she didn't write herself. But we should be proud that iconicity proved beyond Imbruglia's means. It's three cheers for democracy every time someone goes even a little broke underestimating the taste of the American public. C+

tl;dr

God flagpole sitta

dire, dire times

She had some forgettable follow-up "Wishing I Was There With You" or something..

babitude?

HOW ABOUT FASTBALL'S THE WAY

speaking of contemporaneous songs i remember when "uninvited" was alanis morissette's first new song in like two years after jagged little pill, and when i heard it on the radio i kept the radio on for hours waiting to hear it again, because THIS IS NOT ALLLLLLLLLLOWED, YOU'RE UNINVIIIIIITED, AN UNFORTUUUUUUUNATE SLIGHT! it was like 1998 Twilight in my house

that this is the stuff young markers loved sort of goes a long way toward explaining how he heard Yankee Hotel Foxtrot one day and went HOLY FUCK, GENIUS ALERT

y'all can make fun of me all you want but you're wrong

markers what's yr opinion of alanis, by the way: genius, super-genius or God?

markers what did you think of bittersweet symphony

idk i don't think i was ever really into her

bittersweet symphony is okay

pretty good i guess!

markers has been otm in this thread btw

"No Surprises" and Pulp "This Is Hardcore" were both on the same mix as "Torn."

kerm otm

Closing time is literally the shittiest song ever.

― my ponies hate you (ENBB), Sunday, July 10, 2011 5:57 PM

and i might forgive this, but i will never forget it

tl;dr

canny use of nostalgia-inducing outdated posting meme, gotta hand it to you for consistency here

no, i was just telling you that that was too much text

my generation has short attention spans, give it to me in a tweet

feel like jimmy eat world's "the middle" was around this time too yeah?

ENBB is otm about that fuckin awful closing time btw, total trash. I'm guessing everybody who loves this really likes that horrible "who sucked out the feeling" jam from the same era

such terrible music

y'all need new opinions

no the old ones are calibrated to i.d. bad music when they hear it so they're working fine

the old ones are calibrated to celebrate old, tired things

I said "Closing Time" was on my mix because I thought it was a funny time-capsule thing.. not to be like "look how awesome my high school mixtapes were"...

the truth will out, tho

the old ones are calibrated to celebrate old, tired things

oh no dude there's plenty of good music now & since, it's just this whole axis of bad songwriters charting with bad songs was a real dip. 2011 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>the entire mid-nineties

except in rap imo but I defer to ilm's rap experts on whether that's true or not

Is there a "Defend the indefensible April 1998" thread yet?

idk abt pre-97 because i was riding the single digit waves but 97-99 was good imo & i feel like those are my jams

to summarize: torn is terrible; the new radicals were terrible; closing time is terrible; you should sue billboard or something for denying you the excellent music childhood so many others enjoyed

I will happily amicus your brief on that suit & I think you will win if you just play "torn" for the court

feel like jimmy eat world's "the middle" was around this time too yeah?

― layers of layers of dough and butter (reddening), Sunday, July 10, 2011 6:35 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

That was a couple years later. I think.

I will give Markers certain early Blink songs. I was jamming out to "All The Small Things" the other day in the car.

"You Get What You Give" placed pretty high in the ILM 90's singles poll iirc.

one day you will realize that i was right, and you will start a thread, "markers was right about natalie imbruglia," and i will get all of us who are writing atm slurpees, and we will think back to this day, this day where you were wrong, and share a laugh

i know this is a bit OT but i just found out alanis had a baby and she named it Ever Imre Morissette-Treadway, so yeah she's still got it.

hmmmmmmm

x-post

http://i43.tinypic.com/dggkra.jpg

lol

<3

We should hang out get slurpees soon btw.

<3 agreed

btw - I've actually never had a Slurpee. I know. I feel like you need to be present the moment that changes.

markers has been otm in this thread btw

feel like jimmy eat world's "the middle" was around this time too yeah?

Nah.. Clarity hadn't even been released yet, but I enjoyed The Promise Ring around this time.

markers sometime in your early forties you're going to get enough distance from your childhood that the last of the wondrous sheen will drop from a song like "torn" and you will say "whoa, that song is actually horrible, wtf, zero redeeming qualities" and then you will read "Spring and Fall" by G.M. Hopkins and have some scotch

but then markers and i have identical narratives w/r/t what music we were into when, so maybe i was predisposed to be all "jesus etc. otm" because i liked a few goo goo dolls singles in middle school

if we hang out and grab slurpees is steven tyler going to explain in detail how they are NOT i repeat NOT GOURMET CUISINE! OBVIOUSLY! DUH!

i was predisposed to be all "jesus etc. otm" because i liked a few goo goo dolls singles in middle school

I fail to see the connection.

Oh god,, the fucking City Of Angels soundtrack.....

Goo Goo Dolls pre-Dizzy Up the Girl > Goo Goo Dolls post-Dizzy

And I don't wanna miss a thing...

err Dizzy AND post

I tend to forget that awful stuff and remember how much I loved this video....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yrlw8FuJko
And then I feel much better about Spring '98.

i always thought it was weird that that fastball record got so massive. i mean, pop is always weird and arbitrary, but all the pain money can buy is a record mostly about drugs by a punch of aging punks who decided to pay excessive tribute to the beatles and big star

still love that record btw; fifth grade on the playground with the guitar solo from "the way" in my head, i was invincible

geezus at least nobody's brought up Halford's side project "Two" yet or The Hunger...

oops

Fastball got huge because Disney cannot fail.

I liked the song that went "out of my head, out of my mind" way better than The Way

oh man I looked that one up to remember, thanks for nothing you buncha punks. fastball's "the way," for when you want to hear squeeze but would prefer something less good

i'm picturing aero in the corner shaking his head at all this

(xpost)

on a couch, but yeah

I liked "Fire Escape" I guess.

Aero, what did you listen to in spring 98

xxpost

then you might wanna avert your eyes here

Veruca Salt--"Volcano Girls"
Matchbox 20--"Long Day"
Oleander--"Why I'm Here"
Adema--whatever that shitty song was called
Lit--"My Own Worst Enemy"

Those aren't really the same era, but ok

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yRYGm31e7TY

uhhh....the Oleander song most certainly was

had no idea morbiuses new dn was aerosmith, updating my xls brb

sometimes I feel like I'm drunk behind the wheel

veruca salt yessssss

Yeah that song is not bad at all.

it's like this is music that when me & my old-dudes-in-training would hear it some of us'd go "you know, people who are kids now are later gonna go 'this music was so good'" and then somebody'd go "no they won't, everybody knows this is rat poison, these kids will hear something good someday and hate that this is what they had to settle for" but the 1st old-dude-in-training is otm, no matter how bad the music was when you were a kid someday you're gonna say it was the shit

xp I think in spring '98 I was just starting to catch up on electronic stuff I'd been missing out on, and I listened to a lot of Thai pop (Zaza, Tata Young, Nat Myria, Nicole Theriault) & lessee. That summer I got into the Black Star album and I remember thinking "thank fucking Christ for this."

Fastball:

All the Pain Money Can Buy [Hollywood, 1998]

"We just wanted to make a personal statement with our music," aver these three Austinites with a sincere look in their eyes. And so they yoke popcraft worthy of Three Dog Night, the Doobie Brothers, perhaps even Matchbox 20, to lyrics that speak of the dark things--institutionalization, methadone, lovers left bleeding, highways going nowhere, and, quite a few times, their own inordinate careerism. Is that personal enough for you? C+

old man lies naked on the floor

lol IIRC to compare somebody to 3 Dog Night is basically Xgau's way of saying "I hope you all get rabies"

haha

i guess i came to this thread to say "torn" is fucking beautiful aero offtm

Man I am so with Markers on all of this, it's scary.. what have I become?

Have love for New Radicals, Torn, Flagpole Sitta, even fucking Closing Time.

it's ok I'm just gettin my hate on about a jam I always hated if it brings ppl pleasure instead of anguish that's nice

xp oh le bateau I consider u my dude I will pray for you with that quartet of wretchedness fukkin up yr ears

I'm with markers and New Radicals.

that this is the stuff young markers loved sort of goes a long way toward explaining how he heard Yankee Hotel Foxtrot one day and went HOLY FUCK, GENIUS ALERT

otm, revelatory

@Aero, that's grand but I fear the damage has already been done during the nineties ;_;

But then I even loved 'Crying' to begin with, so what am I clinging to?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nMuRWRqpQXQ

I must have watched this at least 200 times. Right about my last break-up too [/tmi]

speaking of veruca salt upthread i think nina gordon ended up marrying dude from tonic? in high school my friend bought me their cd "lemon parade" which has unfortunate post-internet connotations now.

I am done for. Markers, anything to be optimistic about in 90s lol-rock in hell?

Have love for New Radicals, Torn, Flagpole Sitta, even fucking Closing Time.

yep.

i just want you to know who i am

I know <3

i just want you to know who i am

oh God that one - what was the name of that song? getting tattoos of all these songs' names so I can always remember what I hate

goo goo dolls "iris" iirc

markers sometime in your early forties you're going to get enough distance from your childhood that the last of the wondrous sheen will drop from a song like "torn" and you will say "whoa, that song is actually horrible, wtf, zero redeeming qualities" and then you will read "Spring and Fall" by G.M. Hopkins and have some scotch

this is true except, at 43, i still like listening to sammy john's chevy van. and drinking scotch.

but my judgement is compromised by 1) having heard any of these songs when i was young and pretty much in love with everything i heard on mid-'90s alt rock radio which was basically aural slushees; 2) being close enough to that age that the residual feelings get excited when i remember or hear any of these songs, but not so close as to endure them with disdain for being all-consuming when young (if you asked me about "torn" when i was 14 i woulda told you it was the shittiest bullshit, those exact words probably)

man it's hard to believe that a shit song like that could come from a band with the taste and foresight to call themselves the fucking GOO GOO DOLLS

you know what song i couldn't get behind during this time, savage garden's "truly madly deeply." really turned my nose up at it.

For the record I'd like to state that I fucking hate 'Iris'. Put a huge shame one all the GREAT 90s lol-college-rock... THEY PUSHED IT TOO FAR

darren hayes' last two solo records were so good that i revisited savage garden to see if there was anything worthwhile there

savage garden was the worst

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ClCpfeIELw

~lawl~

But fuck fuck FUCK, do I love this fucking song and video or fucking what?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qfNmyxV2Ncw

Hell fucking yeah!

That's not 1998.

it's honorary '98, we're all ashamed of it

I don't wanna miss a thing was the same era however...

No but it's winning a showdown with Torn AS WE SPEAK xxp

but my judgement is compromised by 1) having heard any of these songs when i was young and pretty much in love with everything i heard on mid-'90s alt rock radio which was basically aural slushees; 2) being close enough to that age that the residual feelings get excited when i remember or hear any of these songs, but not so close as to endure them with disdain for being all-consuming when young (if you asked me about "torn" when i was 14 i woulda told you it was the shittiest bullshit, those exact words probably)

this whole post OTM, i can't hear any of these songs with being buffeted with remembered emotion, and i know i'm responding more to that than anything else.

Look, most of these songs were fucking dreadful. "You Get What You Give" and "Torn" were exceptions.

Close thread.

yr alternatives at the time, if you were listening to modern rock radio, were fourth-wave ska and the swing revival, to put it in a little bit of context.

I first heard "Sexy Boy" in Spring '98.

I love the line "That's what's going on" in the same way that I love the line "I never learn" in G'n'R's "Night Train"--these direct asides.

I like that Dishwalla song.

Class of '98: "Torn" vs. "Thank U"

or "Uninvited"

I like that Dishwalla song.

interesting religious aside, little-noted scriptural deal - if you say the above-quoted post 5 times in a row God removes your name from the book of life forever and there's nothing you can do to get back in

I was out of my head, I was out of my mind

nb I feel really guilty for liking that Dishwalla song.

I harbor personal animosity towards Dishwalla for cutting short a free Too Much Joy show at a Baltimore street festival back in 96.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJtPmMUxLCs

There's something wrong with the world today. I don't know what it is. Something's wrong with our eyes.

1993

I'm not sure which one I hate more....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1k456in_fDA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ShVzWDp5DsQ

you gotta like "Come With Me" because it breaks ground for "Yeah, We Did It" by Ja Rule & Metallica

I'm excited to ironically blast them from my car later...

Is there a thread where I can take my degenerate obsession with shit songs that I love like these, that kicks in after too much wine, and live it out? Or will Natalie Imbruglia have to weather the storm?

search guilty pleasures thread...

i also hate "iris" but i liked it when it came out. i was ten or eleven, maybe. also when i was 14 i had a girlfriend who loved the goo goo dolls and the hair of johnny rzeznik. so i have listened to a record named gutterflower.

Aero, still infinite kudos on making Joe Perry look like Slash tbh

although i do like the other singles from dizzy up the girl, "slide" especially, and neanderthal is otm about pre-dizzy goo goo dolls

xp

Okay I guess this really was the worst time for pop music.... I was in denial.

Late 98 had some bangers imo.

OTM

I never ventured beyond that album, but I think Frogstomp holds up as a booming kiddie sludge album

actually i think '99 was worse, all of the awful aspects in '98 alt-rock-pop amplified times a million

'99 was the year of human clay

wow this thread is making me realize that 1998 was the reason i stopped listening to the radio and started buying indie rock cds

"Got You (Where I Want You)" by the Flys was produced by Masters of Reality leader/Kyuss producer Chris Goss

^and kicks ass

i always liked the production on that song

Agreed

"got you where i want you" is amazing but i think there is rapping in that song that i have never heard because the radio station would use the version without the rapping

I always thought The Way sounded a little too much like this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sI5LWwC-cE8

xp oh really? i remember hearing the rapping part on the radio. it is unfortunate to say the least.

It may have been the last charting slack-rock single.

i thought i heard at the time that the chord prog in "the way" was str8 ganked from an elvis costello song

i feel like the "no-rap radio edit" was a thing of the '90s but maybe it is still a thing

i remember being 7 and getting really angry when i would hear "waterfalls" and it would totally skip left eye

i have not seen the video for moby's "south side" featuring gwen stefani, can anyone confirm if it's as awful as the wikipedia description makes it out to be

gwen stefani licks the arc of moby's head

do not watch

bless u for the warning

Other elements observed in the video include Moby expressing discomfort for the fake gold "grill" insert used over his teeth to make him look more "gangsta".

oh mobypaws

btw - I've actually never had a Slurpee. I know. I feel like you need to be present the moment that changes.

― my ponies hate you (ENBB), Sunday, July 10, 2011 6:46 PM

YES!

markers has been otm in this thread btw

― preschoolin' life (BradNelson), Sunday, July 10, 2011 6:46 PM

brad otm

markers sometime in your early forties you're going to get enough distance from your childhood that the last of the wondrous sheen will drop from a song like "torn" and you will say "whoa, that song is actually horrible, wtf, zero redeeming qualities" and then you will read "Spring and Fall" by G.M. Hopkins and have some scotch

― love in a grain elevator (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Sunday, July 10, 2011 6:48 PM

http://i.imgur.com/YRqDY.gif

i guess i came to this thread to say "torn" is fucking beautiful aero offtm

― preschoolin' life (BradNelson), Sunday, July 10, 2011 7:10 PM

^^^^

Man I am so with Markers on all of this, it's scary.. what have I become?

Have love for New Radicals, Torn, Flagpole Sitta, even fucking Closing Time.

― Asamoah Nyan (Le Bateau Ivre), Sunday, July 10, 2011 7:11 PM

u have become someone who knows what's up tbh

I'm with markers and New Radicals.

― The Edge of Gloryhole (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, July 10, 2011 7:12 PM

\(^o^)/

I am done for. Markers, anything to be optimistic about in 90s lol-rock in hell?

― Asamoah Nyan (Le Bateau Ivre), Sunday, July 10, 2011 7:17 PM

we like fun, food, and good music

I was out of my head, I was out of my mind

― positively clean dishes (absolutely clean glasses), Sunday, July 10, 2011 7:37 PM

boom

how about

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victory_(Puff_Daddy_song)

boom

markers I'm trying to warm up to you, pasting a bunch of people who agree with u & goin "otm" is dapnagl

yo i don't need anyone to agree w/ me, i just like to make sure i respond to most ppl

oh lol my bad

dapnagl sounds like dagg nabbit in my head

how about
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victory_(Puff_Daddy_song)
boom
― markers, Sunday, July 10, 2011 8:41 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark

Yeah but that song is awesome and doesn't feature pathetic attempts at rock.

WHY THE FUCK DOES THIS THREAD HAVE SO MANY POSTS

WHAT THE FUCK IS GOING ON I'VE BEEN THINKING ABOUT THIS SONG FOR AT LEAST A WEEK NOW AND SUDDENLY ITS HERE WITH POSTS

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51YMGSQ8ZNL._SL500_AA300_.jpg

WHY THE FUCK DOES THIS THREAD HAVE SO MANY POSTS

WHAT THE FUCK IS GOING ON I'VE BEEN THINKING ABOUT THIS SONG FOR AT LEAST A WEEK NOW AND SUDDENLY ITS HERE WITH POSTS

...sung to the tune of "Torn."

markers sometime in your early forties you're going to get enough distance from your childhood that the last of the wondrous sheen will drop

aero otm but he should have stopped there and changed 40s to 30s

this song ain't bad tho

I'm sure the 60s and 70s are rife w songs just as worthless as "Torn"

I like 'Torn'. There's this pretty awful cover version around at the moment though. Its called 'Price Tag' by Jessie J.

prefer 'big mistake' over torn

will rep for 'city of angels' soundtrack, brings the quietness

if we're talkin 1998 you can't forget shawn mullins & 'lullaby'

i was 17 in 1998, before aero even starts.

if we're talkin 1998 you can't forget shawn mullins & 'lullaby'

god damn it, I tried to.

sorry!

My choice for "modern rock single X from 1998 which is literally the worst song of alltime" would be Shawn Mullins without question.

x2

"wrong impression" > Torn imo

it's almost robin guthrie-esque

literally everything ever recorded is better than "Torn"

i'm choosing to pretend that you don't really mean that, and you're just feeling cranky today

http://www.billrose.com/celebrities/natalie/spin1.jpg
this cover makes me lol because the "emptiness of COLLEGE SEX" story was about my college. o god, the emptiness.

vassar?

that whole era was just like the worst music
― love in a grain elevator (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Sunday, July 10, 2011 6:20 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark

You can say this about pretty much any year because every year has music that sucks.

xp yeah. things were so empty and sexy back then at vassar.

torn is fine-good, some ppl itt should chill the f out or stop being bored

i like the slide guitar part at the end that goes bernerrrrr! berrrrrnowwww....

^^^ I owned that SPIN issue.

i only get annoyed by that uncle kracker song cuz the melody is pretty much designed to annoy me. that's a few years later though. *random thought*

oh yeah, goo goo dolls > wilco

love this love fastball love flagpole sitta hate closing time love banditos LOL at lullaby

LOLlaby

oh yeah, goo goo dolls > wilco

they're the same band aren't they -- feel this has been established

lullaby is hilarious

^^^ I owned that SPIN issue.

― The Edge of Gloryhole (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, July 11, 2011 4:17 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark

the article about mary kay letourneau was p. good iirc.

i loved spin in this era.

The Vassar story: http://books.google.com/books?id=ij4Wc-5krxYC&printsec=frontcover&rview=1&source=gbs_ge_summary_r&cad=0#v=onepage&q&f=false

For the students at Vassar college, hooking up is as easy as ordering a pizza. The indigestion, though, is the problem.

i loved spin in this era.

you are dead to me now

blurgh, don't really want to read. but i do. feeling kind of torn u know?

ordered so many pizzas at vassar.

i loved spin in this era.

you are dead to me now

― love in a grain elevator (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Monday, July 11, 2011 4:21 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark

i was also 13 in this era!

There was a horrible ad for "Lullabye" in, er, the free mag they had at Tower Records, a big pic of Mullins' mug with the chorus in a dumb 90s font. I wish I could find it because it was so dopey, as though the claim that "everything's gonna be alright.....................rockabye" is deep, as though it's a lyric worth thinking about. Maybe I can find it in a back issue of Spin?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sC-KaKAmmEY

I think the true litmus test for anyone's love for Torn is visually replacing imbruglia with john popper from blues traveller, and see if the song still holds up.

have some love for young cad, discovering the world via print media.

didn't like this song when it came out, just listened to it again, still pretty bad

SPIN had the best writers between 1994 and 2000 and I will accept no dissent.

lol cad you're good w/me permanently I'm just kidding

I mean don't get me wrong God should destroy us all for ever tolerating this song but you're always welcome to my Scotch

lol i know you are but i felt the need to set the record straight there

"torn" is amazing, "save tonight" is amazing, 1997 and 1998 were god-tier years for music, aero probably doesnt even like semi-charmed life, crank that he is

i'm trying to think of a song of this type that i like and i can't really, otoh

this is what dom used to call 'mondeo pop' right?

SPIN had the best writers between 1994 and 2000 and I will accept no dissent.

― The Edge of Gloryhole (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, July 11, 2011 9:24 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark

For the students at Vassar college, hooking up is as easy as ordering a pizza. The indigestion, though, is the problem.

― The Edge of Gloryhole (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, July 11, 2011 9:21 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark

http://www.acceleratedonline.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/choose-your-side-300x225.jpg

I do actually like semi-charmed life but I feel guilty about it which is like a huge thing for me with music is "there's no such thing as a guilty pleasure" but when I enjoy semi-charmed life I want to confess to a priest later that I enjoyed it

you want something to get you through this?

"save tonight" is amazing

look I can accept "I like 'save tonight'" & I can dig "fuck you, 'save tonight' is cool and grooves pretty nice and the vocal compression is a sweet effect" & I can defend "'save tonight' is an excellent song, fit to stand alongside the best of its era" but when you get to "amazing" I have to just

http://www.wallstreetoasis.com/files/images/wait%20what.jpg

i was definitely into SPIN in the mid-late 90s, seemed so much more 'with it' than musty Rolling Stone, a valuable window into what my teenager years would be like for 12-year old me - alt-rock uber alles

i guess i will say that lenny kravitz making "this kind" of music was a pretty good look on him. "i want to get away" and "you belong to me" (nb i don't know the real names of these songs) were both likeable.

i need to find the first issue i purchased on google books. it had a long article about professional bowling.

I liked Lenny better when he plagiarized Prince, Sly, and the Spinners.

never would have tapped "Torn" as a flashpoint 300+ post thread catalyst

I suspect I do not know ILX as well as I think I do

ugh give me early kravitz over "i want to fly away" or w/e anyday.
kinda feel like 97 is where spin started to really suck.

hey guys, can we make it home with one headlight

this thread is really just more proof that everybody's childhood was INCREDIBLE

the coffee-shop, folky, outstretched arms gesturing at the floor while walking from room-to-room in a young person's flat genre was kind of proto-pomplamousey perhaps? not sure how third eye blind or lenny kravitz fit in, though. I'm trying to think of male artists that fit into that lisa loeb/imbrilico mold, and I'm coming up with... counting crows?

btw Natalie Imbruglia cannot dance a lick

"one headlight" is one I fucking LOATHED at the time but when I hear it now I'm like...well, fuck...beats the shit outta Maroon 5, anyway, its nearest analog on this week's top 40

Philip Nunez otm - this stuff is the same stuff y'all really can't stand now that it's called Death Cab

when i was 13 my gay friend from AOL's dragonball z messageboard made me a mix tape with shawn colvin and a bunch of stuff like that on it, including Save Tonight, and man... what a revelation yall. that song made me have emotions and u can never take that away from me aerosmith!!!!!! i mean look i wouldnt elect to listen to that song again as an adult, but that moment in time... so indelible...

I can dig that I think I felt that way about Dave Mason's "Let It Flow"

Ben Gibbard isn't lying naked on the floor, is he?

"one headlight" is one I fucking LOATHED at the time but when I hear it now I'm like...well, fuck...beats the shit outta Maroon 5, anyway, its nearest analog on this week's top 40

i never got why one headlight was their big song--6th avenue heartache was the first single and is SO MUCH better.

Death Cab is kind of good aside from the name?

Also I know Adam Levine is Satan but come on, Maroon 5 is way better than The Wallflowers

<3 everybody for this thread btw

I do actually like semi-charmed life but I feel guilty about it which is like a huge thing for me with music is "there's no such thing as a guilty pleasure" but when I enjoy semi-charmed life I want to confess to a priest later that I enjoyed it

yeah i go through something similar with that song...and prob some others. i guess it's b/c i experience it as a such a mixed bag. it's undeniable catchiness seduces me, and i like that the lyrics are pretty dark for such a sunny sounding song...but then at the same time there are elements to it that i find hopelessly corny. and i have trouble stomaching that really whiny jumper song by them "I WOULD UNDERSTAAAANAND!!!!"

im just glad jakob dylan has something else to beknown for

in a few years Ben Gibbard will record a duet with Karen O called "Moves Like Jenkins."

Stephan Jenkins.

I think Alan Jackson should cover "semi-charmed," that twang would really help the rapping part

"one headlight" was a huge frat party jam when i was in college. h8 that fuckin song.

that and sublime. i get very shakey-ish when i think about that dude.

don't really "get" this -- australian humor?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4TM3GbxaNLI

I think Alan Jackson should cover "Jigga My Nigga," that twang would really help the rapping part

aerosmith do you have strong opinions about teenage dirtbag

i like it. mimes are universal m8

btw did we talk about Harvey Danger yet

"How's It Gonna Be" and "Never Let You Go" are jams, even though the latter sounds like they spent twenty million dollars to buy that hook.

we're always fucking talking about harvey danger!

yeah, flagpole sitta got mentioned up there

no duncan shiek tho

I'm listening to "One Headlight" right now for the first time; I've read about it as the Wallflowers' big hit for years but yeah, never heard it but heard the shit out of "6th Avenue Heartbreak". "One Headlight"'s pretty nothing, though I guess the sorta thumping groove could hit the spot at 1:45am at a bar after a dozen g&ts.

aerosmith do you have strong opinions about teenage dirtbag

that's a little later in my mind, isn't it? couple years? at that point I was so tuned-out that I didn't get all GAH MAKE IT STOP with this stuff because for me it had effectively stopped. I think that song's actually kind of cool plus it refs Iron Maiden, I don't know if it's actually making fun of ppl who like Maiden but I don't give a shit because when they say "Iron Maiden" that affords me a moment to reflect on the excellence of Iron Maiden

man, I miss the days when I could throw back a dozen G&T's.

yeah teenage dirtbag might as well be another era

In the last two weeks, after five years of prodding by a friend, I have become hardcore in love with Dirtbag

I mean yeah

Diiirtbaaag

^^^ otm

I don't have any ill feelings towards harvey danger, but making that song the theme to peep show was about as wise as that ford truck commercial that was the theme to enterprise.

not even sure i know who did teenage dirtbag. the offspring? red hot chili peppers? sublime?

u2

...it was u2

b/w "Fields of Gold" iirc

classic single from one hot minute

WHEATUSSSS

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HIX2RAHPTsI

best thing about save tonight: http://www.eagleeyecherry.com/doncherrydisco.html

yeah hmm, i don't think i've ever heard teenage dirtbag! or at least knowingly heard it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJSYzBqA9RA

Wait why did Phillip N link Two Princes? Actually it doesn't matter. I'm just gonna come out and say it - that is one of my all time favorite songs. Hate on if you will but it's awesome.

two princes? no one hating on that song! a deathless classic.

this song was "important"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qw5Gl28Xe5o

haha YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

I do actually like semi-charmed life but I feel guilty about it which is like a huge thing for me with music is "there's no such thing as a guilty pleasure" but when I enjoy semi-charmed life I want to confess to a priest later that I enjoyed it

― love in a grain elevator (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Monday, July 11, 2011 10:29 PM (26 minutes ago) Bookmark

YES YES YES! just saying, but YES YES YES etc

what about breakfast at tiffany's

dmac with the key question

re: two princes -- the sesame st. version was pretty redemptive i thought, or at least separates them from
the self-seriousness of Torn, etc...

i was a little shocked at how misogynist the lyrics to 'little miss can't be wrong' was though.

I don't understand the EEC love and still think Semisonic sucks donkey balls BUT I can get on board with a little Deep Blue Something every now and then.

I'd say that's pretty much the one thing we've got Deems

You are not going to destroy the Spin Doctors for me Mr. Nunez - oh no you are not!

if only ilm were this much fun all the time

my list of 90s songs that I will defend til I die (which I probably will because of peoples' hate for some of these, esp on ILX), coincidentally the songs which make up my 'nostalgia' portion of weddng playlist:

Teenage Dirtbag
Laid
Home For A Rest
Blister in the Sun
Whatta Man
No Rain
Mr Jones

bonus points to these which did not make the playlist cut
All I Wanna Do
Two Princes

all songs released in the 90s but above = reason I was a Britpop Kid.

What was the awful song with the lady in the video - she had big hair and a hoop nose ring and the video was an XTREME close-up of her face and it was awful and horrible but I feel like maybe it fits right in with all these songs . . . ?!

Whatta Man <3 <3 <3

I may or may not know all the words to that one.

.... Bitch?

blister in the sun was 83 dogg

uh xp

Yeah I was gonna say something about Blister in the Sun being early 80s!

No not Bitch - that was awful too though.

lol it was

i'm not trying to destroy the spin doctors! would that i had such power, i'd use it to unhear this blues traveler cover of the misfits.

ah good, I'm glad someone brought up Blues Traveller.

oh man that first sheryl crow album

i listened to it again recently and it was super-weird to hear, just so different from what i think of when i think of "sheryl crow" now

second and third ones are better xpost

okay let's be honest here who owned that rembrandts album with the friends theme on

tuesday night music club, for some reason it's linked with the rise of tiger woods in my mind. Go figure

looooooooooooooooooooooooooooool

xp damnit

What was the awful song with the lady in the video - she had big hair and a hoop nose ring and the video was an XTREME close-up of her face and it was awful and horrible but I feel like maybe it fits right in with all these songs . . . ?!

joan osbourne one of us??

Oh God. Yes. That was it. HORRIBLE!

saw the rembrandts open for tom petty...this might've been just around the time the friends theme was hitting it big? they sucked.

what if god was one of us?

answer me that

nobody callin' on the phone/'cept for the Pope maybe in Rome

Just a slob like on of us, Matt P?

Or a stranger on a bus?

http://www.dreamtix.com/images/joanosbourne.jpg
definitely an unpleasant video. was it really just a closeup? or was there other stuff.

next sherlock holmes plot for sure

I see fucking strangers on the bus every goddamn day. Everyone's a stranger. How am I supposed to know which one of those cats is lill babby jesus?

I feel like she must have been at the Lilith Fair and I really really hated all those singer songwriter type ladies at the time expcept for Ani who I got really into for a few short years but, tbh, she was much to good to be at the L Fair anyway.

i love it when we do white person radio 93-99 on ilm

Prince's version of "One of Us" is ungodly.

I feel like she must have been at the Lilith Fair and I really really hated all those singer songwriter type ladies at the time expcept for Ani who I got really into for a few short years but, tbh, she was much to good to be at the L Fair anyway.

― my ponies hate you (ENBB), Monday, July 11, 2011 11:26 PM (18 seconds ago) Bookmark

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ayo first third eye blind record is a complete classic, i'm sure some other people have said this on ilx somewhere

and I try
OHMAHGAWD do I try

this is the musical equivalent of that real world thread isn't it

haha yes, yes it is

I don't even think anyone mentioned it but I now have the Dawson's Creek Paula Cole song in my head. :/

hey y'all I just got outta my time machine, a bunch of 22-year-olds from the year 2021 wanna know why you aren't getting way more excited about Lady Antebellum

I could never marry anyone who didn't love "Need You Now."

Alfred, I am already two payments down toward the wireless mic I'll be wearing so I can sing it myself when we walk down the aisle

lady antebellum rule

which generation is it that's going to rep for hoobastank and daniel powter's "bad day" because i look forward to aero-ing all over their thread

Alfred, I am already two payments down toward the wireless mic I'll be wearing so I can sing it myself when we walk down the aisle

Officiating minister Bryan Ferry will greet you with "Slave to Love."

that alterna-guitar pop of the late 90s was death. I'll never rep for Flagpole Sitta or Third Eye Blind or any of that mess.

The Wheatus song is a guilty pleasure. you can't help but love the dudes who seem to be obsessed with IROCs (given that they reference it and put a photograph of themselves inside one on the inner sleeve).

which generation is it that's going to rep for hoobastank

oh man if this happens i am going to dance on some faces

and then come to some very uncomfortable realizations about myself

Flagpole Sitta

wait waht

Maypole Shitta

ow

oh hey you guys

1998!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A20uGgj09oE

This thread could do with some Sixpence None The Richer

what!! i thought crush came out much earlier for some reason

or the cranberries

These songs are all horrible, btw.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0qdaTTS53M

ahh Sixpence None the Richer, one of quite a few Christian groups that decided to cross over between like 1997-2002 (mXpX and P.O.D. being others)

oh jesus Paula Cole = Coyote Ugly-core pop

plus when my g/f at the time made me watch Dawson's Creek in exchange for watching football, I had to hear taht damn song...

sixpence none the richer at some point ruined "don't dream it's over," or something

anyway i will have no smack talked about that jennifer paige song

song is a straight up curve into ultimate pleasure okay

only song I knew of Sixpence was their cover of "Kiss Me"

"Crush" is awesome.

at least we haven't gotten into Jars of Clay yet...

did someone just invoke "Coyote Ugly"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gp6tHtUfsSQ

plus when my g/f at the time made me watch Dawson's Creek in exchange for watching football, I had to hear taht damn song...

― Neanderthal, Tuesday, July 12, 2011 12:08 AM (7 seconds ago) Bookmark

http://www.midwestsportsfans.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/james-van-der-beek-crying.gif

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ElORM9O-0U

Why do I recall this as being brilliant?

I will admit to liking "Can't Fight the Moonlight", but only the faux-Latin guitar themed dance remix they played on the radio

late 90s=JUST BECAUSE YOU'RE WHITE AND OWN AN ACOUSTIC GUITAR DOESN'T MAKE YOU A SONGWRITER

reading jane austen's "emma" right now and i have to make myself stop trying to graft what i remember of "clueless" on top of it, anyway the very first thing i remembered about "clueless" was elton interrupting class because he left his cranberries CD in the quad and didn't want anyone to steal it.

d'ya hafta let it linger is about a dude w/ bad gas who refused to open windows

I'm willing to bet that some Balearic-type edit producer would be able to turn some of these into the best things ever.

emil.y ot.m

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Ejga4kJUts

always lol

Green Day's Hitching a Ride was pretty badass but I think that was 1997?

has anyone here ever rocked a "BIG HOOB aka the stankdriver" d/n?

hey, i'm not a perfect person
there's many things i wish i didn't do

Dreams by the cranberries is my jam.

http://www.fredhystere.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/natalie_imbruglia-torn.jpg

natalie's hoody got torn b/c she ate some of it.

And now the thread is about every 90s rock single instead of specifically referring to songs that have anything at all to do with "Torn" or Natalie Imbruglia. This is why I hate ILM.

HEY GUYS WHAT ABOUT HOOTIE? HUHUHUHU

REMEMBER SKEE-LO? HE WISHED HE WAS TALLER HUHUHUHU

really enjoy the totally fake world in which billstevejim thinks this thread transpired

AYO DO YOU GUYS REMEMBER JURASSIC PARK DINOSAURS THOSE SPECIAL EFFECTS WERE REALLY IMPRESSIVE FOR THE TIME IMO

It was at least sort of focused at one point...

rip natalie imbruglia thread

torn indeed

I'm sick of 90s nostalgia threads.

i forgot to mention that i bought the godzilla soundtrack on the strength of puff daddy's "Come With Me" - i didnt regret it!!

we can be heroes by jakob dylan

the natalie imbroglio

cranberries were 94 you heathens

Matchbox 20 there's another name for ya billstevejim BOOM

Matchbox 20 actually somewhat pertains since they had singles on the radio at the same time as "Torn."

surprised no one brought up hootie earlier tbh. tho i've never heard any of their songs

everybody knows that Dolores O'Riordan penned her finest lyrics in 96.

yeah tbh the only vaguely matchbox 20 memory i got is the santana jam

with their bombs and their bombs and their bombs and their bombs

dreams was 94, surely. Zombies xmas 95

think pillbox means their FINEST song aka this.

And now the thread is about every 90s rock single instead of specifically referring to songs that have anything at all to do with "Torn" or Natalie Imbruglia. This is why I hate ILM.

HEY GUYS WHAT ABOUT HOOTIE? HUHUHUHU

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REMEMBER SKEE-LO? HE WISHED HE WAS TALLER HUHUHUHU

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it's like whiney cast a spell to take over another poster's soul but it only worked like 60% of the way

http://s548.photobucket.com/albums/ii350/hot_stuff76/?action=view¤t=cover-121.jpg

ffffffffffffff

oops i should've really linked to the lyrics of the cranberries' finest song, otherwise people won't realize why it is so fine

There are already threads for 90's guilty pleasures or "post rock singles from the 90's that are lulz" .. I think the thread got off topic, but I guess it's just me.

i'm shocked, just shocked, that discussion of natalie imbruglia's "torn" could not sustain an extended conversation!

I could talk about the line "that's what's goin on" for about 45 seconds.

no it is very important that the thread for natalie imbruglia's 'torn' be unsullied

and who would you be talking to?

It would pretty much just be me laughing.

"i'm all out of faith" - billstevejim

billstevejim hate to break it to ya but half the songs referenced before the alleged derail weren't from spring of 1998.

I just noticed someone did a badass Natalie Imbruglia POX earlier.

this song is p much paradigmatic of the acoustic 90s pop that i remember as being really breezy and loose and then i re-listen and its horribly mastered and clunky and condensed and kindof just really sonically ugly. i want somebody to make the version of this song that i heard in my head before i clicked the play button on youtube.

when markers says 97-99 was good imo & i feel like those are my jams

..I know we'll never see eye to eye on music, because (as I've probably said on five threads now) during fall 98/spring 99 I was in my senior year of high school and had a photography class. We had a radio in the darkroom, and would try to tune it to the student radio station in the same building which was sometimes pretty ok (lol high school radio class). However, these girls in the class who were so amazingly unshockingly middle of the road boring would hijack the radio and tune it to the popular alternative station. Or whatever the fuck the name of this stuff was at the time.

To this day, I still cringe every time I hear anything from that era.

just fyi i haven't read any of this thread; nobody's opinion on this topic is in any way relevant to anything, i think you should all know that.

you're just trying to get yourself enshrined on the "statements that embody ilx" thread

good try, jerkface, now go away

plax if enough people reject this song then the Lord of Hosts may place His people under the covenant again and spare this evil world from fiery judgment

aerosmith vs markers is like watching a bear eat a kitten

wait bears eat kittens right? like, in theory? once in a while?

NEVER!

but sometimes, when the stars are aligned....a kitten does eat a bear.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rKj3gcAuxk0

band name: Everything

straight outta 1998z yall

u dont even know the word 'nadir':

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Maz6jFdvn2Q

key lyric: Don't look now, things just got wuuuuuuurrrrrse

I'd like to loop a call and response where Marvin Gaye's singing "What's goin' on?" and Natalie's replying "That's what's goin' on."

OH CHRIST, I remember both those songs. Dog's Eye View was so horribly generic, it's like they didn't sound like one specific band, but a pastiche of like 1023 nondescript acts.

"Who Got the Hooch" was total boring fratpop.

curse you all!

this was from a few years earlier, but is equally as bad:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4XJxFAoiWSY

that guy looks like a bald andy samberg

Marvin Gaye + Natalie Imbruglia = Texas's cover of "Living for the City."

primitive radio gods song is an A+ classic

okay like an A- classic

it's a classic

B+ maybe

definitely a classic

keep lowering the score, you're getting warm

gonna stick w/ B+

i personally wish B.B. King had never let those dudes sample his voice

it's the best thing bb king has ever done

b+b king

actually dont totally hate this song, but the unwholesome crotch shot in the beginning is cause for distress:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E2Oe5YKhzCE

remember when a word from yr vocab quiz was all you needed for a hook

favorite example: Sloan's "Coax Me" (coax me, cajooooole me)

that Local H song wasn't bad, some of their later singles were dreadful tho

holy crap what happened to this thread!

should be said that I love Whitehouse's "Your Woman" unreservedly, the only song itt I would call 'amazing'

I HOPE YOU'RE ALL LISTENING TO NATALIE IMBRUGLIA'S "TORN"

White Town!

iatee otm re prg

don't really "get" this -- australian humor?

Yes, the dude from Peep Show, How Not To Live Your Life, Armstrong & Miller Show and Pulling is Belgian Australian, well spotted

damnit! xp

aerosmith otm itt

like i'm not old enough to be a curmudgeon but some of these groups make me wanna drown em out with my cheap trick albums

Yes, the dude from Peep Show, How Not To Live Your Life, Armstrong & Miller Show and Pulling is Belgian Australian, well spotted
are those australian shows? movies?

should be said that I love Whitehouse's "Your Woman" unreservedly, the only song itt I would call 'amazing'

this actually would be amazing if it were an actual thing

yes yes I'm going to bed

i didn't mean that snarkily! i really want to hear a whitehouse cover of "your woman" now.

i would probably buy an entire whitehouse album called "markers' favorite songs from before his balls dropped" featuring all the hits mentioned on this thread.

You know, it hasn't been mentioned that "Torn" was a nice palate-cleanser after "Foolish Games" had dominated that radio/convenience-store playlist for months.

(the radio/conv playlist)

inspired by White Town I am going to shift gears and start posting secretly incredible chart-pop from the 90s

first = Ace of Base

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HCWAGbQy5ww&feature=related

(xp I do kind of like Foolish Games but youre right of course)

so that song, the woman just wants to have another kid, and is gonna be gone tomorrow? I know the welfare system over there is messed up but dang...

much as markers can't come to these songs with any sort of critical distance because of the pre-ball-droppage thing, i can't pretend to be impartial about most of them either because between 1997 to 1999 i was working at a shitty retail job while in college, a place where the in-store pa system was tuned to the local all-the-hits-none-of-the-rap format all day long, and after the 900th play of "everybody's free (to wear sunscreen)" in a week all i had to console myself was going home and crying and leafing through gun magazines while thinking of the day when everyone would finally pay.

(really shouldve posted Tracy Bonham's "Mother Mother" before I switched gears)

next is Dionne Farris

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Na6u8uOWt7c

see, you're already doing it wrong.

i actually love that Dionne Farris song. And Des'rees "You gotta be"

also fuck that Tracy Bonham song. and also Meredith Brooks' "Bitch"

wow be nice! this is a chill thread for appreciating "torn"

aero and i have drawn a line in the sand!

(right through some little kid's sand castle)

there's no sand itt, only appreciation for the chill vibes of 1997

he has a killfile in his head

Dionne Farris song is awesome

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ZK23sxkpk0

international version? tell me there's accordion in it

gee now someone's gonna bring up Donna Lewis I bet....or that guy who did the "In the House of Stone and Light" song

good call! i gotta admit I didn't like this song at first, but it has aged well imo:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eIa9UEXd98Q

lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7MK5Esy-L0&feature=related

HHAHAAHAH

my mom kept bitching that it sounded like the verse of Come Together

and obv interpolates land of 1000 dances

EXCUSE ME MR. OFFICER
STILL LIVING LIKE THAAAAAAAAAAAT

still on the fence about Sophie Hawkins tbh

anyways night all

Martin Page cowrote "We Built This City."

so he's been torturing us for multiple decades then.

house of stone and light was v. successful in sneaking out of the contemp christian ghetto!

Nikki French's awful cover of Total Eclipse of the Heart to thread

the funniest part of this is that ilm is now old enough that this is probably the SECOND generation of early twentysomethings to start declaring that the garbage of their grade school years is classic material. there's probably some thread from 2002 where people who were grade schoolers in the late 80s take the brave step of coming out of the closet and declaring their wilson phillips and roxette fandom.

there was a lot of pseudo-Christian/spiritual music crossing over in the mid to late 90's it seems.....(not even talking about Creed!)

IF LIKING ROXETTE IS RONG THEN....well put red marks all over my paper