dizzee rascal - maths and english

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new dizzee album; out soon-ish (have seen reports that it will be out on 10 april but surely not); called maths and english because maths = the beats he makes and english = the rhymes he does; some tracks co-produced with mizz beats; 'wasteman' will be on it.

that's all i know. but it sounds like something to be excited about so far, so get excited!

The Lex (The Lex), Tuesday, 28 March 2006 12:41 (nineteen years ago)

it's also a pun on two subjects you might study at school, right kids?

Real Goths Don't Wear Black (Enrique), Tuesday, 28 March 2006 12:44 (nineteen years ago)

right

ambrose (ambrose), Tuesday, 28 March 2006 12:44 (nineteen years ago)

Why isn't the album entitled Technical Drawing and Home Economics?

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 28 March 2006 12:45 (nineteen years ago)

Because TDAHE is a shit acronym.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 28 March 2006 12:48 (nineteen years ago)

It's a track-by-track faithful cover version of "Reading, Writing and Arithmetic" by The Sundays. Obv.

Tim (Tim), Tuesday, 28 March 2006 12:48 (nineteen years ago)

If only!

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 28 March 2006 12:50 (nineteen years ago)

hopefully it will follow in the footsteps of chemistry as a great album named after a school subject. and jacko's history of course (that was a greatest hits right?)

The Lex (The Lex), Tuesday, 28 March 2006 12:51 (nineteen years ago)

haha indeed.

Real Goths Don't Wear Black (Enrique), Tuesday, 28 March 2006 12:53 (nineteen years ago)

and huey lewis' 'sports'.

Real Goths Don't Wear Black (Enrique), Tuesday, 28 March 2006 12:53 (nineteen years ago)

Now there was a great album!

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 28 March 2006 12:55 (nineteen years ago)

I'm still hoping that Girls Aloud will have a b-side called "Physics".

OTOH, if I was in school now I would doubtless have rewritten "Biology" to be something like "you can't escape from Geography"

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Tuesday, 28 March 2006 13:00 (nineteen years ago)

Ooh, that GA quip was rather blue, you perky little saucebox!

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 28 March 2006 13:02 (nineteen years ago)

maths and britishes

send your men of science quick (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 28 March 2006 13:08 (nineteen years ago)

The new Dusty Rascal album should be called Polkas, Waltzes And Schottisches.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 28 March 2006 13:17 (nineteen years ago)

Does anyone know if this is coming out on his label properly, or is it to be distributed by XL or what? I know that the Newham Generals album is coming out on Dirtee Stank, just wondered how independant his label really is (seing as a non-mainstream infrastructure is the only thing that will really enable grime to flourish given the demonstrable failure of the various attempts to jump into the mainstream last year...)

gek-opel, Tuesday, 28 March 2006 17:05 (nineteen years ago)

this is his last contracted album on xl i believe, should he not get a new deal.

rtcotm (mwah), Tuesday, 28 March 2006 20:22 (nineteen years ago)

Hmmm... Is he gonna be dropped I take it? Sales haven't been that bad I'm sure, altho pehaps he'll want to take his wares elsewhere. I don't think he's been taken too badly by XL tho from what I can tell...

gek-opel, Tuesday, 28 March 2006 21:05 (nineteen years ago)

i dunno. it feels like he's at a crossroads tho, somehow.

too early to suppose anything about this album yet really i guess; certainly easier to be pessimistic based on, well, 'wasteman' which sounds so-so but u can't really hear the mp3 that's around properly anyway, the very mediocre track logan played yesterday that probly won't be on the album, and the rinse fm guest appearance and murkle man remix wot went WHOOOAAA-to-meh in about 10 seconds. maybe the only thing there is to say so far is that this definitely the album where he lets other people in, having been around the world and ay ay ay the last few years, or better yet the one where he'll have to confront the grime he helped establish on its own half-grown-up terms, for better or worse. i really hope this'll mean more than a klass a guest spot on a footsie riddim featuring bun b or something.

still tho, this is dizzee, and no one else can ever say "i like to move it move it / u want beef? / prove it" quite like he does.

rtcotm (mwah), Tuesday, 28 March 2006 21:14 (nineteen years ago)

so get excited!

rtcotm (mwah), Tuesday, 28 March 2006 21:19 (nineteen years ago)

Mizz Beats alone is enough for me to get excited about this. But other than that I really have no clue what to expect.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 28 March 2006 21:39 (nineteen years ago)

mizz beats = just erm d double signal, hoodie rmx and the run the road 2 one right? ... i suppose i could have another listen to those.

rtcotm (mwah), Tuesday, 28 March 2006 22:20 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah I think that's it unless there are some dubplates floating around that I've not heard about (or that I didn't realize were her.)

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 28 March 2006 22:28 (nineteen years ago)

i really dont think she's in dubplate radio world at all! she's like... medasyn, or some such.

rtcotm (mwah), Tuesday, 28 March 2006 22:46 (nineteen years ago)

im kinda looking forward to this. should be good but i dont think theres many people who dont prefer BIDC to showtime. and seeing as he wants to be a big star over here, i dont think hes going to be pushing the avant garde side of his music on his third album. its also his last for XL, dont know if hes gonna resign with them or not, or if hes not that happy with them (not sure why he wouldnt be, hes done well IMHO). ive heard some of his recent rhymes on radio and on logan samas show and theyve been alright, nothing earthshaking, but i think the decider on this album is going to be the production. wil it be hip hoppy or will it be weird again like BIDC. ive a feeling itll be in between which for me at least = slight dissapointment.

titchyschneider (titchyschneider), Tuesday, 28 March 2006 23:05 (nineteen years ago)

I just can't bring myself to get excited about it; don't really have the inner feeling of "bloody hell! new Dizzee! I must hear it!" But then I also feel that way about forthcoming albums by the Streets/Morrissey/Flaming Lips. It's as if the time for all of this sort of stuff has passed (me by).

I'll see what it sounds like when I've heard some of it. But I'm not going to waste twelve quid on the mere basis that "this is Dizzee."

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 29 March 2006 06:55 (nineteen years ago)

im not excited about it cos well, most albums are dissapointing these days, no matter the genre (and in grime the ratio of yay to whathtefuckisthis is much greater). tv on the radio, morrissey, yeah yeah yeahs, streets, all their new stuff has been boring. i dont expect dizzees album to be any different (esp as i dont expect him to scale the heights of BIDC any time soon - he seems to be wanting to get away from what made that album so good).

titchyschneider (titchyschneider), Wednesday, 29 March 2006 06:58 (nineteen years ago)

You could say that about grime per se, I reckon - the noisy, falling-off-a-cliff, WTF factors of the early stuff ("I Luv U" etc. included) was what I found attractive about it; then when it comes to making Proper Records we just get bad R&B/Jay-Z wannabe-ism. Same with drum 'n' bass when they stopped wanting to make a racket and started wanting to be Herbie Hancock.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 29 March 2006 07:15 (nineteen years ago)

i DO say it about grime per se. theres still some vocal cuts and records i like a lot, but by and large, the 'proper' vocal cuts grime makes are boring, fake commercial-hip hop wannabe stuff. and im not even talking about the obvious culprits like the roll deep singles, i mean the stuff that gets played on the pirates. its really crap. even on run the road 1 i thought this, but thought i would give it the benefit of the doubt. grime as a live medium = good, grime as a record medium = woefully inadequate.

titchyschneider (titchyschneider), Wednesday, 29 March 2006 07:44 (nineteen years ago)

Here's hoping Dizzee makes a full length track based around his dope rhymes in Band Aid 20.

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Wednesday, 29 March 2006 07:46 (nineteen years ago)

Best case scenario - 45mins of hyperspeed pop grime a la Stand Up Tall or Fickle. It seems the way forward if he's going to go commercial and look to stay exciting.

I doubt this will be THAT commercial. My suspicion is that this will follow the formula of the past two - non-stop for the first four or five tracks, descends into abject hell in the middle then pulls you back from the brink with a great pop song (Jus' A Rascal, Dream), ends on trademark philosophical note.

Other grime albums are irrelevant to this discussion because unlike everyone else Dizzee has proven he's a compelling enough persona to sustain interest throughout an entire album no matter how inaccessible the music becomes. Which can't really be said for Wiley or Lethal.

Matt DC (Matt DC), Wednesday, 29 March 2006 07:52 (nineteen years ago)

i would love 45 mins of stand up tall type stuff but i doubt i would get it. its probably going to be perfectly produced midtempo stuff a la showtime, in guessing, which means zzzzzzz.

titchyschneider (titchyschneider), Wednesday, 29 March 2006 07:54 (nineteen years ago)

The Lethal B album is actually pretty damn great!

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 29 March 2006 07:59 (nineteen years ago)

it is, but only in a big dumb stupid way
more fire crew>>>lethal b solo

titchyschneider (titchyschneider), Wednesday, 29 March 2006 08:39 (nineteen years ago)

there's a really good remix of roots manuva's 'colossal insight' which is credited to jammer and mizz beats, too.

i think dizzee will make a success of whatever kind of beats he chooses to work with, i'm curious as to what subject matter he'll be dealing with though.

The Lex (The Lex), Wednesday, 29 March 2006 10:29 (nineteen years ago)

It's a concept album about Lord of the Flies and all the beats will be based on the Fibonacci series and will sound a bit like Autechre.

Matt DC (Matt DC), Wednesday, 29 March 2006 10:44 (nineteen years ago)

methinks the subject will be the perils of fame and haters and imaginary guns he owns and shootings and things hes copying from american rappers

titchyschneider (titchyschneider), Wednesday, 29 March 2006 10:45 (nineteen years ago)

(Marga Man plays the role of Piggy)

Matt DC (Matt DC), Wednesday, 29 March 2006 10:45 (nineteen years ago)

perhaps it will be a concept album revolving around a day in the school life of dylan mills with skits where you hear dizzee revising and watching newsround and things like that

titchyschneider (titchyschneider), Wednesday, 29 March 2006 10:52 (nineteen years ago)

it'll be a tangled tale of how he loses some money down the back of the tv...

Real Goths Don't Wear Black (Enrique), Wednesday, 29 March 2006 10:54 (nineteen years ago)

that would be SO CUTE.

xp

The Lex (The Lex), Wednesday, 29 March 2006 10:54 (nineteen years ago)

itll be how he misbehaved in chemistry so he could be kept back in detention to learn how to cook uncut crack cocaine and become a big time shotter on road - this way he could talk about coke just like all the big US rappers are doing. i think this is what he would like to do the most.

titchyschneider (titchyschneider), Wednesday, 29 March 2006 11:00 (nineteen years ago)

stop bullying the poor boy titchy.

The Lex (The Lex), Wednesday, 29 March 2006 11:09 (nineteen years ago)

whatever, I just want to know if the track he did with Bun B is going to make the cut.

papat, Wednesday, 29 March 2006 11:14 (nineteen years ago)

itll be about bullies too! dizzee could be a righteous playground character saving the other little kids from the bullies! if anyone from XL is reading this, get in touch about hiring me as A&R. no, seriously, my email is above.

titchyschneider (titchyschneider), Wednesday, 29 March 2006 11:15 (nineteen years ago)

good title

Konal Doddz (blueski), Wednesday, 29 March 2006 15:51 (nineteen years ago)

THA NU DIZZEE ALBUM GNA B DA SHIZZNNITT MAAAAAIN!

o double t, Thursday, 6 April 2006 21:38 (nineteen years ago)

four months pass...
any information about this?

grand (grand), Thursday, 17 August 2006 18:47 (nineteen years ago)

wag1 peepz dyz ani1 no da lyrics 2 dollar sign-lady stuah.holla bak.peace
-- siven (siven9...), August 13th, 2006. (2 trackbacks)

Sir Dr. Rev. PappaWheelie Jr. II of The Third Kind (PappaWheelie 2), Thursday, 17 August 2006 18:52 (nineteen years ago)

65 Days Of Static came close with 'The Fall Of Math'.

This can be reversed, of course. Album titles that would have made sick-ass school subjects...

Mutations
Dig Your Own Hole
Pornography

Scourage (Haberdager), Thursday, 17 August 2006 19:00 (nineteen years ago)

65 Days Of Static came close with 'The Fall Of Math'.

and what a fucking great album as well

nervous (cochere), Thursday, 17 August 2006 19:18 (nineteen years ago)

does 65 have their own thread? i hate ilx search as usual

nervous (cochere), Thursday, 17 August 2006 19:18 (nineteen years ago)

sorry to derail and all that

nervous (cochere), Thursday, 17 August 2006 19:19 (nineteen years ago)

No need to be sorry for bigging up modern British rock music! We're not dead over here, you know, and TFOM is, indeed, fantastic.

Scourage (Haberdager), Thursday, 17 August 2006 19:22 (nineteen years ago)

And no, there isn't, so feel free to start your own.

Scourage (Haberdager), Thursday, 17 August 2006 19:24 (nineteen years ago)

actually i just found 65daysofstatic yay

nervous (cochere), Thursday, 17 August 2006 19:26 (nineteen years ago)

oh, all one word. forgot that.

Scourage (Haberdager), Thursday, 17 August 2006 19:38 (nineteen years ago)

well, googling says that 'maths and english' is up for release in March '07.

newham generals myspace has that 'best of vol.1' mixtape 'coming soon'.

xyzzzz__ (jdesouza), Friday, 18 August 2006 11:00 (nineteen years ago)

Are they going to drop the s in the title for the American release? ;)

Nick H (Nick H), Friday, 18 August 2006 19:00 (nineteen years ago)

maths and englih?

s1ocki (slutsky), Friday, 18 August 2006 19:02 (nineteen years ago)

dizzee racal

Scourage (Haberdager), Friday, 18 August 2006 19:04 (nineteen years ago)

Yes, both of those are exactly what I meant. Pedantic? ILM?

Nick H (Nick H), Friday, 18 August 2006 20:25 (nineteen years ago)

Why do brits and Canucks say 'maths'? I don't think I've heard anyone say it but I read it a lot. Isn't that hard to pronounce with a th and an s right next to each other? Plus, if math is short for mathematics then it's already implied that it's plural.

Public Radio (public_radio), Friday, 18 August 2006 20:50 (nineteen years ago)

You guys can pronounce yr 'Smithsonian Institute', we can pronounce our 'maths'.

Scourage (Haberdager), Friday, 18 August 2006 20:52 (nineteen years ago)

dude, there's no such thing as the 'Smithsonian Institute'

gabbneb (gabbneb), Friday, 18 August 2006 21:28 (nineteen years ago)

that's the sort of pedantry Nick H was just bemoaning, but i accept my error. sorry, america.

Scourage (Haberdager), Friday, 18 August 2006 21:31 (nineteen years ago)

canucks don't say maths.

s1ocki (slutsky), Friday, 18 August 2006 22:10 (nineteen years ago)

Why do brits and Canucks say 'maths'?

Because it's short for mathematics, a generalised (note the s in that word :) ) plural of all number and measurement studies.

On the album itself, I hope it's more like his first than sophomore effort because I do like Dissee Razcal. ;)

Nick H (Nick H), Saturday, 19 August 2006 18:45 (nineteen years ago)

oh yeah, smiths. that's not hard to say. Well maybe at first. OK I guess maths isn't that unwieldy.

Public Radio (public_radio), Saturday, 19 August 2006 21:37 (nineteen years ago)

that song i heard called 'ghetto' is terrible.

tigertiger (tigertiger), Sunday, 20 August 2006 10:44 (nineteen years ago)

Math is short for mathematical particually relating to nautical studies, Schools founded in the 18th century in the UK for the purpose of training children in the arts neede for seafare are/were called mathmatical schools.

MitchellStirling (MitchellStirling), Sunday, 20 August 2006 13:55 (nineteen years ago)

two weeks pass...
"gettho" is quite awesome.

thief (grand), Sunday, 3 September 2006 14:50 (nineteen years ago)

four months pass...
in grimewatch in vice, it says that XL have rejected dizzees album and keep doing so which is why it hasnt been released yet. im sure the joss stone and lilly allen collaborations will change their mind.

titchyschneider (titchyschneider), Friday, 26 January 2007 13:35 (nineteen years ago)

Bands/Pop stars that are quickly becoming relics of the earlier part of this decade?

the original hauntology blogging crew (Enrique), Friday, 26 January 2007 13:40 (nineteen years ago)

He posted this on his site earlier in the month:

easy fam happy new year n all dat !

just in studio at moment putting finishing touches to Maths n English. Its sounding nang so hopefully it will ave been worth da wait !
No official date for release but keep checking on here n www.myspace.com/dizzeerascal for da freshest news on releases,tours n wit wasapenin wit me n all tings Dirtee Stankin in 2007. Look out for a Maths n English tour wit Newham Generals and da Gens 1st release on Dirtee Stank Recordings 'Welcome to Newham' in da upcoming months.

2 dates already booked 4 07 are Gurten Festival in Switzerland and da Casa da Musica, Porto, Portugal.

stay blessed

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 26 January 2007 13:44 (nineteen years ago)

Obviously been focussing on the maths part rather than the English, then.

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Friday, 26 January 2007 13:45 (nineteen years ago)

memo: stop trying to make 'nang' happen.

the original hauntology blogging crew (Enrique), Friday, 26 January 2007 13:46 (nineteen years ago)

not been too impressed with the verses hes been using on recent radio sessions. sounds like hes simplified his style a bit. not heard anything from the album yet but it sounds like hes really trying to court the mainstream this time. hope that doesnt mean the more interesting/weirder parts of his production get neutered.

titchyschneider (titchyschneider), Friday, 26 January 2007 13:47 (nineteen years ago)

What do you mean, simplified?

Dizzee Rascal:
Spare a thought this yuletide for the deprived
If the table was turned would you survive

Busted:
Here's to them

Justin Hawkins (Darkness):
Underneath that burning sun

Dizzee Rascal:
You ain’t gotta feel guilt just selfless
Give a little help to the helpless

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Friday, 26 January 2007 13:50 (nineteen years ago)

lol. well hes never exactly been a deep thinker but i mean simplified in terms of his delivery.

titchyschneider (titchyschneider), Friday, 26 January 2007 13:54 (nineteen years ago)

Obviously doesn't need to be stated again / it's a given / etc., but actually attempting to read that IM slang gives me a massive headache.

Tiki Theater Xymposium (Bent Over at the Arclight), Friday, 26 January 2007 14:27 (nineteen years ago)

one month passes...
http://www.dazeddigital.com/incoming/item.aspx?a=369

So what's the initial verdict? It sounds awesome blud.

r|t|c, Friday, 9 March 2007 14:20 (eighteen years ago)

'Industry' is meh-OK. The beat is really boring but I guess it had to be for the lyrics to work as they do.

blueski, Friday, 9 March 2007 14:22 (eighteen years ago)

yeah. ive heard 'magic lemon' as well, and that's not bad at all. i'll ysi that later maybe if anyone wants.

afaik dizzee was loving 'it takes 2' when he wz on semtex's xmas show, fiver sez that's where that all kicked off.

the main thing wot catches my eye is that foxhunting vidcap!! there was a deeeeeeply strange newham generals tune called 'hunting guy' last year, with this little cockney gremlin doing this BRILLIANT intro where he hears some horns with eyes misting over in reminsce of "the hunt."

r|t|c, Friday, 9 March 2007 14:33 (eighteen years ago)

tiny tempah sometimes has a rather freaky somerset accent thing going on

lex pretend, Friday, 9 March 2007 14:37 (eighteen years ago)

i just investigated wifey riddim again and couldnt hear it :(

not that i know where somerset is rly.

r|t|c, Friday, 9 March 2007 14:44 (eighteen years ago)

this sounds like a hunt.

i swear even this is the hunting - hold on, hold on, hold on... it is!... it is. cor blimey it is! awight... time to take him to the hunting guy.

it's the ranger guy / u dont wanna mess with the ranger guy / see me in the ends this ranger guy / it's that rudeboy / ranger ranger / it's the ranger guy / u dont wanna mess with the ranger guy / see me in the ends this ranger guy / it's that rudeboy / ranger ranger

it's that hunting guy (hunting guyyy!)/ dont make me wot (hunting guyyy!) / its that hunting guy / dont make me start / (hunting guyyyy!)

http://www.supload.com/listen?s=SO78GR_bx8P

haha it is absolutely of little note, but i like it.

r|t|c, Friday, 9 March 2007 14:47 (eighteen years ago)

this ain't a hunt it's an arms house

blueski, Friday, 9 March 2007 15:59 (eighteen years ago)

"yeah. ive heard 'magic lemon' as well, and that's not bad at all. i'll ysi that later maybe if anyone wants. "

yes, please!

suburbia, Sunday, 11 March 2007 13:32 (eighteen years ago)

er...@ foxhunting turn for "sirens" - needs 'carmodizing', or somefink :-)

xyzzzz__, Sunday, 11 March 2007 15:31 (eighteen years ago)

three weeks pass...
http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f14/snouts/invisibles.jpg

duh!! anyways, here it is

http://www.factoryfilms.net/films/quicktimes/DizzeeRascal_Sirens.mov

wish the whole thing was like the 3rd verse tho.

r|t|c, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 22:12 (eighteen years ago)

I wish I liked it more.

admrl, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 22:56 (eighteen years ago)

omg the video is amazing!

omg the song is awful :(

lex pretend, Friday, 6 April 2007 15:48 (eighteen years ago)

Wow. Both song and video are fairly awesome.

The Reverend, Friday, 6 April 2007 20:38 (eighteen years ago)

four weeks pass...
http://g-ec2.images-amazon.com/images/I/51tsi9f+NZL._SS500_.jpg

groovemaaan, Friday, 4 May 2007 21:35 (eighteen years ago)

I hate being all down on stuff on ILX, but no, sorry. That's no good.

admrl, Friday, 4 May 2007 21:37 (eighteen years ago)

it's not worse than 'showtime' tho is it. v obviously going for the "heyyyyy remember that yellow cd u bought cos everyone said so that u havent listened to in years? well that guy's back - in fun-suggesting pink!"

probly wise.

r|t|c, Friday, 4 May 2007 22:23 (eighteen years ago)

fun-suggesting pink!

admrl, Friday, 4 May 2007 22:25 (eighteen years ago)

I like the showtime cover ok. It has more colours and contrast.

admrl, Friday, 4 May 2007 22:25 (eighteen years ago)

Also, this cover makes him look small.

admrl, Friday, 4 May 2007 22:26 (eighteen years ago)

he's a rascal, that's how people think of him. scurrying around and being quick and clever.

contrast doesnt count if its a cutout on black background. it looked like a 2nd album chore b4 u even got the wrapper off.

in fact i'm sure this one will sell loads now.

i am still finding cruel poshgirl's bloodlust while dizz takes his top off in the sirens vid to be kinda hot. just sayin.

r|t|c, Friday, 4 May 2007 22:30 (eighteen years ago)

wiley should have another go at his 'letter to dizzee' and bring back his "cant see me i'm in the fuschia" lyric.

r|t|c, Friday, 4 May 2007 22:37 (eighteen years ago)

looking forward to the song with lily allen on there feat. a BUGSY MALONE sample from 'so u wanna be a boxer?'. talk about your perfect-sounding record!

pisces, Friday, 4 May 2007 22:43 (eighteen years ago)

yeah when can we do that.

r|t|c, Friday, 4 May 2007 22:46 (eighteen years ago)

actually having said that, she sounded alright on jme's ldn remix. very droll kelis gangster moll.

r|t|c, Friday, 4 May 2007 22:48 (eighteen years ago)

"hello, hi. my name's jme and i'm more street than wot you drive you car on. this is my lily allen remix, you know, she's got tracks with a bass guitar on."

r|t|c, Friday, 4 May 2007 22:51 (eighteen years ago)

Wow, Sirens is awesome.

milo z, Sunday, 6 May 2007 06:10 (eighteen years ago)

unlike everyone else Dizzee has proven he's a compelling enough persona to sustain interest throughout an entire album no matter how inaccessible the music becomes

or how CHEESY the music becomes! as two listens have illustrated

lex pretend, Thursday, 17 May 2007 20:47 (eighteen years ago)

not so much dizz's POP album as his DANCE one, i like the corny shy fx tracks best - but anyway the music's good, mostly, but it's even more driven by dizz's voice

i like!

"i like to move it move it. you want beef? prove it"

lex pretend, Thursday, 17 May 2007 20:50 (eighteen years ago)

not heard this. if its his dance one, that i can handle - i wouldnt mind him doing some proper GOOD dance tracks. but crappy metal hip hop or southern rap-type tracks im not looking too forward to... love the cover though! and what happened to his flow???

titchyschneiderMk2, Thursday, 17 May 2007 21:08 (eighteen years ago)

'sirens' is the only crappy rock track (actually i now think it's a really good track buried by crap rock) and there's no southern rap (though ugk are on one song and v good they are too). it's not v "grimey" whatever that even means any more and i guess you could say some of the beats are quite hip-hoppy? but not derivatively so.

his flow really has slowed down hasn't it? he enunciates so much. fair enough though he's not the twitchy nervy kid of BIDC any more.

my kneejerk reaction is essentially "hmm don't like some of the decisions he's made but these don't dominate and may even grow on me (or indeed further off), but my god i'd forgotten what a fantastic mc he is"

lex pretend, Thursday, 17 May 2007 21:15 (eighteen years ago)

i assume everyone else heard 'pussyole' ages ago but this is the first i've heard it and i LOVE it, and i love that both ciara and dizz have bitten 'it takes two' in the past five months

lex pretend, Thursday, 17 May 2007 21:17 (eighteen years ago)

hmm, that doesnt sound so bad. yeah i dont like how he enunciates everything and seems to have slowed down his flow so much either. im not an idiot dizzee - i could still understand when you were rapping fast! didnt like that pussyhole song though - the beat was pretty shabby old school hip hop IMO.

titchyschneiderMk2, Thursday, 17 May 2007 21:20 (eighteen years ago)

BLAD, DONT MAKE ME GET OW'SKOOW

hate it when things don't leak. sort it out kids.

r|t|c, Thursday, 17 May 2007 21:33 (eighteen years ago)

"cant see me i'm in the fuschia"

haha i so rule

r|t|c, Thursday, 17 May 2007 21:34 (eighteen years ago)

can we have a track by track like the good old days plz

r|t|c, Thursday, 17 May 2007 21:36 (eighteen years ago)

that cover really does suck. i am quite bored of that kind of typography and yeah he looks stuck on as an afterthought. amateurs!

blueski, Thursday, 17 May 2007 21:50 (eighteen years ago)

looking forward to the song with lily allen on there feat. a BUGSY MALONE sample from 'so u wanna be a boxer?'. talk about your perfect-sounding record!

Damn, I had money on 'We Could've Been Anything That We Wanted To Be'. I assume this is this album's 'Dream', there's going to be one of these on every record now, right?

Matt DC, Thursday, 17 May 2007 21:55 (eighteen years ago)

cmon steve you'd only have put him in a classroom with like, 'grime lol' carved into his desk

wait that's actually kinda cool

r|t|c, Thursday, 17 May 2007 21:57 (eighteen years ago)

his myspazz is all pink haha

lex pretend, Thursday, 17 May 2007 22:03 (eighteen years ago)

i would've spelled out his name and some maths symbols with sausages

blueski, Thursday, 17 May 2007 22:04 (eighteen years ago)

then inside we would see the table empty and dizzee taking a bite out of the last enormous sausage.

blueski, Thursday, 17 May 2007 22:05 (eighteen years ago)

i saw him on erk jools holland and he was really "coffee table". he was mc'ing sort of "socially aware" stuff over these dudes on bass guitar and jazzy drums. it wasn't bad as such just not very exciting, whereas i found sirens really wow but that was v much the video's intial impact. was he just playing to the JH crowd or does the album have some more dinner party friendly cuts?

acrobat, Thursday, 17 May 2007 22:16 (eighteen years ago)

I wish I still had that radio show where he was freestyling with some Houston dudes, all fast & shit.

Jordan, Thursday, 17 May 2007 22:22 (eighteen years ago)

every album is going to be progressively worse from now on isnt it?
its been a steady drop
BIDC - WTF brilliance
showtime - some brilliance (stand up tall), too much self obsessed dark moodiness, generally smoothed out production instead of the roughness of the debut
maths n english - fuck knows

titchyschneiderMk2, Thursday, 17 May 2007 22:24 (eighteen years ago)

turns out yr amateur of this and bidc is senor ben drury of mo'wax

who knew

r|t|c, Thursday, 17 May 2007 22:41 (eighteen years ago)

wanting the dizz of BIDC back in 2007 = wanting the tori amos of boys for pele back in 2002 ie ain't gonna happen, accept that people change, sometimes they get happier

it was prob 'excuse me please' that acrobat heard. it's not that bad. the album isn't coffee table really though this might depend what kind of coffee you like to drink. 'pussyole' and 'bubbles' and 'flex' and the one w/ ugk are my favourites, 'suck my dick' reminds me of eminem at his most puerile, almost every song contains a line which makes me grin, and ulp i actually really like the lily allen one

really want to know who produced 'bubbles' actually! can't pin down what precisely it is (it's not grime, not hip-hop, not house...) but it is amazing.

and that's all yr getting cos i'm going to go and eat some yoghurt now

lex pretend, Thursday, 17 May 2007 22:44 (eighteen years ago)

oi dizz we said we wanted UKG not ugk!

r|t|c, Thursday, 17 May 2007 22:47 (eighteen years ago)

i dont mind if hes happy, thats lovely and everything, but make good happy music in that case, not cheesy stuff thats just not as innovative as what you can really do. we all know hes trying to get the pop and mainstream audience REALLY on board this time, which is fine, i just wish he wasnt pandering to them. hes still got that amazing voice, but thats not good enough for the guy who used to be one of the best MCs in the world. i dunno what im talking about though - ive not even heard it yet, just assuming the worst. and *if* hes making uptempo funky house type tracks, great, thats cool, just make it fucking out there, weird, challenging funky house plz mr rascal...

titchyschneiderMk2, Thursday, 17 May 2007 22:51 (eighteen years ago)

Looking forward to this. Life seems ripe for Dizzee MCing.

Tim F, Thursday, 17 May 2007 22:54 (eighteen years ago)

is this on the net? how can we hear it?

titchyschneiderMk2, Friday, 18 May 2007 12:45 (eighteen years ago)

# dizzee rascal - maths and english [Started by The Lex (The Lex), last updated 4 minutes ago] 24 new answers
# M.I.A. - KALA [Started by lex pretend, last updated 8 minutes ago] 12 new answers


WHY DON'T THEY WORK TOGETHER? i haet britain

blueski, Friday, 18 May 2007 12:51 (eighteen years ago)

I think that would sort of suck actually.

Matt DC, Friday, 18 May 2007 15:00 (eighteen years ago)

I wish I still had that radio show where he was freestyling with some Houston dudes, all fast & shit.

DITTO THIS! WHY ESS EYE?

nickalicious, Friday, 18 May 2007 15:03 (eighteen years ago)

id upload it but my net connection is really crap and the show is about 2 hrs long so would take too long

titchyschneiderMk2, Friday, 18 May 2007 15:12 (eighteen years ago)

GOT IT! 'bubbles' reminds me of 'milkshake', totally.

this was the one i played out yesterday. people nodded their heads.

lex pretend, Monday, 21 May 2007 19:42 (eighteen years ago)

its leaked?

titchyschneiderMk2, Monday, 21 May 2007 20:27 (eighteen years ago)

ok this album is fucking great, actually. listening to my favourites off BIDC back to back with my favourites off M&E and there's nothing to be disappointed by.

lex pretend, Monday, 21 May 2007 22:45 (eighteen years ago)

yeah but you love cheesy stuff!

titchyschneiderMk2, Tuesday, 22 May 2007 11:28 (eighteen years ago)

only the good cheese. camembert, haloumi, smoked gouda, emmental.

lex pretend, Tuesday, 22 May 2007 11:38 (eighteen years ago)

this album is sounding like the kraft foods of cheesy rap though

titchyschneiderMk2, Tuesday, 22 May 2007 11:42 (eighteen years ago)

(haloumi and emmental are both v good cheeses btw)

titchyschneiderMk2, Tuesday, 22 May 2007 11:52 (eighteen years ago)

Ha ha I looked at that list of cheeses and felt very hungry. Lex if you ever come to Australia (or I ever return to the UK) let's hold a haloumi barbeque.

Tim F, Tuesday, 22 May 2007 12:15 (eighteen years ago)

i went to a bbq on sunday called HOTTER THAN CHICKS. no haloumi sadly but some lovely chicken & rice.

all this talk of haloumi = dilemma of where to go for lunch today solved

lex pretend, Tuesday, 22 May 2007 12:50 (eighteen years ago)

Camembert > Halloumi > Gouda >>>>>>>>> Emmental

Matt DC, Tuesday, 22 May 2007 13:26 (eighteen years ago)

London-based rapper Dizzee Rascal will release his next album, "Maths & English," for XL/Beggars Group on June 5 in the U.S. In a first for XL/Beggars Group, Billboard.biz has learned that the album will only be serviced to digital outlets in North America, and the label is not planning on releasing on physical CD outside of the U.K. and Europe. "Maths & English" will, however, be released as a physical product overseas, where Dizzee Rascal has met much more success....

"Maths & English" is Dizzee Rascal's third album, the follow-up to 2004's "Showtime." The sophomore effort has sold 16,000 units to date in the U.S., according to Nielsen Soundscan. The number was a significant dip from the 58,000 copies sold by his 2003 debut, "Boy in da Corner," which arrived Stateside under massive amounts of buzz.

The two varying statistics persuaded XL/Beggars to go the most cost-effective digital route with "Maths & English" in the U.S. "Many of the sales of the first record were a lot of impulse buying," says Beggars Group VP of marketing Matt Harmon. "It was the feeling that people were missing something if they didn't own that record. That didn't mean that everyone was a fan. It just meant we were selling a lot more records. So coming to this album, we're going into it with a readjusted, more realistic view of it."

Harmon says "Maths & English" will be available at every digital retailer the label has a deal with, ranging from Apple's iTunes store to eMusic to recently-launched download outlet for New York-based retailer Other Music.

maura, Wednesday, 23 May 2007 19:32 (eighteen years ago)

i guess "overseas" means uk & europe in that paragraph?

s1ocki, Wednesday, 23 May 2007 19:33 (eighteen years ago)

http://music.guardian.co.uk/reviews/story/0,,2087180,00.html

good review lex. i agree with what you said actually. i like the album a lot. i almost wanted it to be TOTALLY party oriented actually. id love dizzee to have done more funky house type songs. and dizzee sounds great on it. i forgot just how good an MC he is (though not always that best when hes trying too hard to find something worthy to say).

titchyschneiderMk2, Friday, 25 May 2007 12:02 (eighteen years ago)

really not feeling this. and what's with all the drum n bass?

toby, Thursday, 31 May 2007 22:27 (eighteen years ago)

Yeah this is swag. Playtime is over is far better.

jim, Thursday, 31 May 2007 22:28 (eighteen years ago)

its cheesy and shit but its good cheesy shit.

titchyschneiderMk2, Thursday, 31 May 2007 22:33 (eighteen years ago)

playtime is over is boooooooring. not in an awful way but it's just so competently ok and unexciting. roll deep album is the same.

lex pretend, Thursday, 31 May 2007 22:46 (eighteen years ago)

playtime is over is good. maybe you just dont like grime anymore. although the thing with playtime is that it feels like wiley kept it 'proper grime' just cos he had to, not cos he really wanted to. he sounds like hes TRYING to sound all excited and energised but you can tell its a bit of a facade. whereas with dizzee the one track on the album where he sounds like that is weirdly, the 'proper grime' track at the end. great beat but sounds a bit pointless. like his heart isnt really in that anymore. the anger has gone so it sounds empty.

titchyschneiderMk2, Thursday, 31 May 2007 22:55 (eighteen years ago)

no, i like grime, i just don't like wiley's mcing any more, or at least i don't mind it but there isn't a single line on the album which makes me care about it. i like grime like this

lex pretend, Thursday, 31 May 2007 23:08 (eighteen years ago)

ok found it, here we go.

sigh titch if youre saying wiley's heart's not in it, and you can really tell, then pray tell what you think's good about playtime then?

r|t|c, Thursday, 31 May 2007 23:11 (eighteen years ago)

rtc, the beats are great. fly boy, no qualms, all brill. but wileys never been a top mc to me anyway. too wordy. half dazed, half the time. and rates himself too highly. 'they just cant get along with wiley.' who gives a fuck?! too self absorbed. dont wanna hear about all the troubles hes had anymore. havent really rated any of his bars or been able to remember them in years.

lex that track is great. i think female mcs are generally really great in grime. there isnt a weak verse in that track. whereas if it was YET ANOTHER FUCKING MALE POSSE CUT you know half the verses would be rub.

titchyschneiderMk2, Thursday, 31 May 2007 23:21 (eighteen years ago)

i am slightly scared by those girls though. where is that track from? is it on no lays mix cd?

titchyschneiderMk2, Thursday, 31 May 2007 23:22 (eighteen years ago)

nah that's not dropped yet - someone just sent me the youtube link. there are loads of grime videos like that on youtube.

lex pretend, Friday, 1 June 2007 06:47 (eighteen years ago)

"Wanna Be" is fucking appalling, it sounds like a CBBC sitcom theme.

Dom Passantino, Friday, 1 June 2007 13:35 (eighteen years ago)

the ukg track omg

groovemaaan, Saturday, 2 June 2007 21:41 (eighteen years ago)

ugk obv

groovemaaan, Saturday, 2 June 2007 21:42 (eighteen years ago)

whole album is teh shit btw

groovemaaan, Saturday, 2 June 2007 22:02 (eighteen years ago)

I liked Showtime better than BIDC so I'm guessing I'll love this

J0hn D., Sunday, 3 June 2007 00:15 (eighteen years ago)

Lex was sort of getting there on his review but the real jump-off point for a lot of this record is 'Fickle'.

It sounded fucking great in the sunshine, btw, especially that trio of songs in the middle. Flex is fantastic, especially as I keep expecting it to turn into Double 99 at any minute.

Matt DC, Sunday, 3 June 2007 00:54 (eighteen years ago)

Okay this is easily as good as either of his previous two, and at least six tracks are up there with anything he's ever done. I think my favourite *moment* is midway through Suck My Dick, when he goes "I don't give a shit who likes it, I don't give a shit who don't, don't tell me to change my fucking attitude because I won't", and a bit of Yankee Doodle plays in the background.

Matt DC, Monday, 4 June 2007 20:14 (eighteen years ago)

no no, the real jump off for this record is just a rascal.

titchyschneiderMk2, Tuesday, 5 June 2007 13:43 (eighteen years ago)

getting from eMusic right now though I despair of anything as wonderful as "Dream," which would be on my top 20 songs of all time list if I made such lists

J0hn D., Tuesday, 5 June 2007 14:23 (eighteen years ago)

the song with lilly allen is twice as wonderful as dream.

titchyschneiderMk2, Tuesday, 5 June 2007 15:04 (eighteen years ago)

So this is iTunes-only in the U.S. or what?

Jordan, Tuesday, 5 June 2007 17:45 (eighteen years ago)

<i>Harmon says "Maths & English" will be available at every digital retailer the label has a deal with, ranging from Apple's iTunes store to eMusic to recently-launched download outlet for New York-based retailer Other Music.

-- maura, Wednesday, 23 May 2007 19:32 (1 week ago) Link</i>

J0hn D., Tuesday, 5 June 2007 21:50 (eighteen years ago)

people wiht insomnia should not attempt tags

J0hn D., Tuesday, 5 June 2007 21:51 (eighteen years ago)

ALL I SEE IS BARE POP ON THE TV

love that line

titchyschneiderMk2, Wednesday, 6 June 2007 10:53 (eighteen years ago)

i always hear ALL I SEE IS BARE COOKS ON THE TV and v much enjoy the thought of a dizz/gordon ramsay beef - i mean he's slagged off dizz collaborator lily allen after all

lex pretend, Wednesday, 6 June 2007 11:37 (eighteen years ago)

seriously if they dont release the track with lilly i am going to be very annoyed. that track is so so so good. and the bass drops and wonky sort of ragga-ish programming is brilliant. but then i am one of the few people who loved dream too. i see these tracks as dizzee going into slick rick hey young world territory (but for cbeebies viewers).

titchyschneiderMk2, Wednesday, 6 June 2007 11:42 (eighteen years ago)

I don't really like the Lily Allen track (it's better than the Alex Turner one which is REALLY limp) but the bassline is great. Mostly because it's basically the bassline from The Whistler by Claude Vonstroke.

Matt DC, Wednesday, 6 June 2007 11:45 (eighteen years ago)

People who've slagged off Lily Allen > telephone directory

Marcello Carlin, Wednesday, 6 June 2007 11:47 (eighteen years ago)

he's saying 'poop' tho. which sounds more like, er, 'pĂĽpp' in the londonish innit.

for a second there i thought he was saying HOW MANY REAL COOKS ON THE TV?? (with ref to coke dealers presumably) and i was all like YES THANK YOU someone else noticed that that james martin doesnt know what he's doing in the slightest. but he's probably saying crooks.

XFUCKINGPOST bah

i will be taking his advice to read a book, find a pretty girl and settle tho. thanks dizz!

(also "you're a fan of hiphop, wanking when you hear them rappers talk" on his vanity track with legends no one in london could care less about? whatevs!)

r|t|c, Wednesday, 6 June 2007 11:48 (eighteen years ago)

hes saying CROOKS and then hes saying MOOKS.

i like temptation - the programming is very BIDC, and his rapping on there is as close as this album gets to old grimier (and more original) pirate radio dizzee but its ruined by the wanky arctic monkeys samples. the guitar sample would be okay on its own but having alex turner on the chorus too was too 'please notice me nme reader'.

i love footsie on the last song when he says 'rudeboy whats all the hypin for' and i get a morbid thrill out of dizzee talking about the leng but it sounds too affected. some of the choruses on this album are really infantile btw (eg - cant tell me nothin, suck my dick etc)

titchyschneiderMk2, Wednesday, 6 June 2007 11:54 (eighteen years ago)

""you're a fan of hiphop, wanking when you hear them rappers talk"

that line was a bit rich i thought seeing as a fair amount of his rhymes/themes for songs are basically reheated narratives from american rap records.

titchyschneiderMk2, Wednesday, 6 June 2007 11:55 (eighteen years ago)

I understand that Dizzee Rascal will be making an appearance on COOKS UNCOVERED on the 137 bus screen sometime next Tuesday.

Marcello Carlin, Wednesday, 6 June 2007 12:03 (eighteen years ago)

really loving this album, the UGK tracks reminds me of some of the weird west coast rap radio in the late eighties - actually so do a lot of the sounds here

J0hn D., Wednesday, 6 June 2007 13:19 (eighteen years ago)

Bugsy Malone track is great. :>

Jordan, Wednesday, 6 June 2007 14:07 (eighteen years ago)

the UGK track is like 1993 g-funk meets houston rap circa 2005.

titchyschneiderMk2, Wednesday, 6 June 2007 14:13 (eighteen years ago)

does anyone but me think this might actually be dizzees best 'album' so far? as in album as front to back experience?

titchyschneiderMk2, Wednesday, 6 June 2007 14:16 (eighteen years ago)

this is my first day listening but the impression I took away from the second run-through was that it was a very very solid album, yeah, certainly put together better than Showtime - peaks maybe less conspicuous (no "Stand Up Tall," no "Dream") but the overall effect was really dazzling

J0hn D., Wednesday, 6 June 2007 15:02 (eighteen years ago)

Yeah I've been looping it all morning, the only things I'm skipping are the first track and Sirens once the guitars come in. :>

Jordan, Wednesday, 6 June 2007 15:07 (eighteen years ago)

the potential for how good the vid for the song with lallen could be....

titchyschneiderMk2, Wednesday, 6 June 2007 15:08 (eighteen years ago)

The bit when the guitars come in on Sirens is the best bit. It's not my favourite but I don't see why it's such a big deal, surely its such another nasty abraisive noise to add to his arsenal?

Matt DC, Wednesday, 6 June 2007 15:09 (eighteen years ago)

So nu-metal. :(

Jordan, Wednesday, 6 June 2007 15:12 (eighteen years ago)

1. Sirens is good because it sounds like an NWA jack or something

2. the drum n bass song w/ the sped up vocal sample is my favorite

deej, Wednesday, 6 June 2007 15:28 (eighteen years ago)

the instrumental break at the end of it should be like double that length tho

deej, Wednesday, 6 June 2007 15:29 (eighteen years ago)

but matt you dance or 'mosh' or whatever you people call it to rage against the machine in public w/ no shame :(

the best video for 'wanna be' would be one where lily allen properly plays up to the posh totty role. i'm thinking notting hill house party, i'm thinking dizz arguing with someone in the doorway, i'm thinking immaculately coiffed lily coming up behind him and looking down her nose at the wiley/groupie figure.

the worst video for 'wanna be' would be one where they dress up as bonnie & clyde. fergie ferg and luda have done that this year much better than lily and dizz could ever do.

lex pretend, Wednesday, 6 June 2007 15:29 (eighteen years ago)

i don't like the song with lily allen at all, and its not some irrational lily allen hating. its just a really really boring song

deej, Wednesday, 6 June 2007 15:31 (eighteen years ago)

Video for Suck My Dick now as well please.

Matt DC, Wednesday, 6 June 2007 15:31 (eighteen years ago)

well for that one dizz should obv just get his cock out. more "sexual prey" imagery please

lex pretend, Wednesday, 6 June 2007 15:34 (eighteen years ago)

i like the drum n bass song with shy fx but its the cheesiest fucking drum n bass ever. not even very well produced. quite lazily put together as a beat, like autopilot D&B. still, im sure it will be embraced in high street womens clothing shops everywhere.

flex is brill though.

i still dont quite see the 'sexual prey' angle in sirens personally.

titchyschneiderMk2, Wednesday, 6 June 2007 15:36 (eighteen years ago)

i think he's saying that all he sees is BEAR POOP on the tv.

s1ocki, Wednesday, 6 June 2007 15:39 (eighteen years ago)

its just a really really boring song

Really? I like what they did with the sample and the hook.

Jordan, Wednesday, 6 June 2007 15:41 (eighteen years ago)

Dizzee Rascal has the head of a fat person.

Dom Passantino, Wednesday, 6 June 2007 15:41 (eighteen years ago)

Like, his head would look OK if he put 12 stone on, but as it stands it just weirds me out.

Dom Passantino, Wednesday, 6 June 2007 15:42 (eighteen years ago)

haha

i just thought of one for the suck my dick one. have you seen the film boomerang where the gay video director gives eddie murphys character a treatment for a tv advert and its just full of women sucking or licking phallic or scrotal looking fruit? i think it should be like that. with various women sucking cucumbers, bananas, aubergines, corn on the cobs and things like that.

titchyschneiderMk2, Wednesday, 6 June 2007 15:42 (eighteen years ago)

not women. WILEY LOOKALIKES

lex pretend, Wednesday, 6 June 2007 15:43 (eighteen years ago)

"sexual prey" was v silly obv, i think it was shorthand for "dizz is well fit in the 'sirens' video"

lex pretend, Wednesday, 6 June 2007 15:44 (eighteen years ago)

the hook is so proper! i think maybe i just don't like its britishisms. like how 'jus a rascal' was my initial favorite dizzee song, i like the shit that sounds more like rap

i am fine with 'lazy d'n'b' if it sounds like not-lazy pop

deej, Wednesday, 6 June 2007 15:44 (eighteen years ago)

the ugk song is good, goes w/out saying even

does someone have a list of production credits?

deej, Wednesday, 6 June 2007 15:45 (eighteen years ago)

"WILEY LOOKALIKES"

maybe when lilly is chastising 'wastemen' and people whose mums buy their bling she can be saying it to wiley lookalikes. all dressed in eskimo wear just to drive the point a bit further. rolling in deep waters as well. they could be divers.

titchyschneiderMk2, Wednesday, 6 June 2007 15:47 (eighteen years ago)

the hook is so proper!

But that's coming right out of the Hard Knock Life school!

Jordan, Wednesday, 6 June 2007 15:47 (eighteen years ago)

xp - i think dizzee produced it all.

titchyschneiderMk2, Wednesday, 6 June 2007 15:48 (eighteen years ago)

"i like the shit that sounds more like rap"

^^^the type of ppl to blame for the direction dizzee is going in.

titchyschneiderMk2, Wednesday, 6 June 2007 15:50 (eighteen years ago)

he didn't - shy fx did the cheesy drum'n'bass for a start - sadly i have thrown out the list of prod credits i had :(

lex pretend, Wednesday, 6 June 2007 15:51 (eighteen years ago)

does anyone else love 'bubbles' as much as i do?

lex pretend, Wednesday, 6 June 2007 15:51 (eighteen years ago)

Bubbles is great.

Jordan, Wednesday, 6 June 2007 15:53 (eighteen years ago)

i think 'sounds like rap' might mean something different to me than you think tho in this context...as far as tempo i prefer the faster stuff, his double-time rapping, etc

i'm talking more in terms of vibe.

deej, Wednesday, 6 June 2007 15:53 (eighteen years ago)

i think cage did some of it or co produced it with dizzee too. bubbles is fun but the singles i hope he releases are, in order: flex, maybe backed by the track with shy fx, or separately, one after the other. obv, get some ukg producers to remix flex, and some (not shit) D&B producers to remix the latter. and then around xmas time, release the one with lilly allen. ;) although xmas is too far i know, so maybe just make that the fourth single whenever.

when you say sounds like rap, you mean sounds more like 'normal' hip hop right? cos yeah he raps fast on other tracks like stop dat, but its diff to something like just a rascal cos the timing and flows are still more like the type of double time flows you get in hip hop.

titchyschneiderMk2, Wednesday, 6 June 2007 15:59 (eighteen years ago)

I think more about tempo than the beats, he picks a lot of tempos that are inbetween common hip-hop ones (although this album probably has more rap tempos than ever?).

Jordan, Wednesday, 6 June 2007 16:03 (eighteen years ago)

in general, i think dizzee sounds a bit shit when he raps slow IMO (like the first track on this album). its like his failings come into quick focus when he does that.

titchyschneiderMk2, Wednesday, 6 June 2007 16:04 (eighteen years ago)

Man this is great. Or anyway, it's much better than I feared. Hey look, somebody saved my old seat on the bandwagon.

lukas, Thursday, 7 June 2007 21:17 (eighteen years ago)

If this album has one failing, it's that the emo contemplative tracks aren't anywhere near as strong as Brand New Day, or Sittin' Here, or Imagine.

Matt DC, Thursday, 7 June 2007 22:43 (eighteen years ago)

dizzees non contemplative tracks>>>>his contemplative tracks. i also like his girl tracks much more than his emo songs. jezebel, i luv u, girls with marga ' i am crap ' man, etc.

titchyschneiderMk2, Thursday, 7 June 2007 22:53 (eighteen years ago)

i think saying he sounds bad when he sounds 'like rap' is misleading, rap sounds like so much different stuff at this point and grime is (lets be real) just rap music. whats the difference? So I kind of feel like this "he needs to sound LESS like rap!" is a rhetorical dead end

deej, Thursday, 7 June 2007 23:19 (eighteen years ago)

"sound less american," more rhymes about pies or whatever, fine

deej, Thursday, 7 June 2007 23:21 (eighteen years ago)

his girl tracks arent his emo songs?

okay.

r|t|c, Thursday, 7 June 2007 23:39 (eighteen years ago)

Just out of interest, anyone know how much of this album Dizzee produced himself? I listened to Boy In Da Corner again on the way into work and the production still sounds amazing - that plague of robotic locusts noise at the beginning of Stop Dat!

Matt DC, Friday, 8 June 2007 08:04 (eighteen years ago)

footsie produced 3 tracks. shy fx produced 1. dizzee did all the rest. although it says dizzee came up with the music and cage actually produced the tracks (although some tracks were produced by dizzee and cage or dizzee, cage and footsie together). there is nothing as good as the robotic locusts noise at the beginning of stop dat here (not that i can find anyway, but i do love the g funk+houston rap thing going on on the ugk track).

"his girl tracks arent his emo songs?"

i mean, theres overlap of course, but primarily, his emo songs are the ones where he slows down the tempo and you get the sense that if you were playing it on windows media player, the image being displayed would be one called 'reflective and introspective'. its like a little sign flashing that says 'oooh this is very deep and meaningful'. its like james blunt of grime type moments.

titchyschneiderMk2, Friday, 8 June 2007 10:23 (eighteen years ago)

oh and futurecuts did the one with lilly allen.

titchyschneiderMk2, Friday, 8 June 2007 10:24 (eighteen years ago)

the girl songs on m&e are all bouncy and happy

lex pretend, Friday, 8 June 2007 10:25 (eighteen years ago)

I know, it's weird. Usually when Dizzee meets girl, girl either gets a) pregnant, b) psycho or c) both.

Matt DC, Friday, 8 June 2007 10:27 (eighteen years ago)

Oh, I forgot e) the clap.

Matt DC, Friday, 8 June 2007 10:27 (eighteen years ago)

I also forgot d). That can be 'gold digging' then.

Matt DC, Friday, 8 June 2007 10:27 (eighteen years ago)

"the girl songs on m&e are all bouncy and happy"

as was girls with marga man on showtime, which incidentially was brilliant and should have been way more massiver than it was. i luv u is also not emo. jezebel isnt emo cos its not dizzee getting bluntian. and flex is kinda like girls from the last album ('i love it when you wind like that' needs to be omnipresent on dance radio shows and all car systems this year but prob wont).

titchyschneiderMk2, Friday, 8 June 2007 10:54 (eighteen years ago)

('i love it when you wind like that' needs to be omnipresent on dance radio shows and all car systems this year but prob wont).

it was on my car systems for the past two days! "flex" is fantastic.

willem, Friday, 8 June 2007 11:08 (eighteen years ago)

seriously, XL need to get agent x or someone to do some remixes of that. that might be too old school UKG sounding but itd still be good. they just need to get someone good making funky house type stuff to remix it and hey presto, you get dizzee a massive club hit that doesnt involve him getting all old school hip hop for once (it still gets my blood pressure going when people think fix up look sharp is his best song).

titchyschneiderMk2, Friday, 8 June 2007 11:13 (eighteen years ago)

what a nice surprise. this is fucking brilliant.

Michael B, Friday, 8 June 2007 11:14 (eighteen years ago)

that would be system, not systems. i'm no g, i only have one car.
(2 xposts)

willem, Friday, 8 June 2007 11:14 (eighteen years ago)

seriously, XL need to get agent x or someone to do some remixes

OTM. is there a 4x4 garage thread?

never acid again, Friday, 8 June 2007 11:25 (eighteen years ago)

probably.

titchyschneiderMk2, Friday, 8 June 2007 11:28 (eighteen years ago)

Actually I could totally see "Flex" having a second life as a electro-ish funky house tune a la "I See Girls" (did anyone ever notice that tune actually had Romeo from So Solid?!?)

This is a great album BTW.

Titchy I agree with you quite a bit on this thread, but no way is that Shy FX beat more lazy than most of contemporary jungle! Compare it to all the (still!) plodding 2-step beats and indeed their own prior pop singles and it's quite nifty/nimble. Funny how it occupies the same role as "Don't Mug Yourself" on the first Streets album. These should be mandatory inclusions on British rap albums.

Tim F, Friday, 8 June 2007 14:33 (eighteen years ago)

One of the things that occured to me earlier this week is that the whole of Maths & English is very slightly retro in that it totally sounds like the British High Street c. 2000-2003. Of the terrifying Saturday night Croydon Town Centre pub variety. Virtually everything is a grimier take on just-out-of-fashion British chart dance music of the past few years. It's familiar enough to be full of potential hits but not so old as to sound self-consciously retro (Pussyhole possibly excepted).

Obviously Dizzee dominates everything because of the sheer force of his personality but I can't help but feel this is the direction pop-grime should have been going in all along, as opposed to trying for a shiny Kanye West sound a la Roll Deep etc.

Matt DC, Friday, 8 June 2007 14:50 (eighteen years ago)

Haha, back in March 2006 I said: Best case scenario - 45mins of hyperspeed pop grime a la Stand Up Tall or Fickle. It seems the way forward if he's going to go commercial and look to stay exciting.

Good to see he listened.

Matt DC, Friday, 8 June 2007 14:52 (eighteen years ago)

but.... there is nothing as diff yet still brilliantly poppy and feel good as stand up tall on here. that sounded like nothing else (except er obviously other youngsta stuff) whereas everything on here is basically dizzee taking existing styles and giving them a dizzee makeover.

OTM about croydon town centre though. this is basically like 'dizzee does every tv advertised urban/dance music comp of the last few years'.

i never noticed i see girls had romeo on it. but id like to see someone do a put your hands up for detroit type of remix or something like that. maybe the guys that did the beyonce deja vu house remix could do it (and then it would start to annoy me incredibly by being overplayed at the gym, the mark of every commercial breakthrough).

titchyschneiderMk2, Friday, 8 June 2007 15:16 (eighteen years ago)

was that freemasons? they did the AMAZING commercial house rmx of 'ring the alarm'

lex pretend, Friday, 8 June 2007 15:19 (eighteen years ago)

i think so. i really liked how they made beyonce sound on deja vu though. gave her vocals a really urgent almost troubled quality.

titchyschneiderMk2, Friday, 8 June 2007 15:35 (eighteen years ago)

i agree w/ tim that this album is pretty great

deej, Friday, 8 June 2007 15:36 (eighteen years ago)

I actually like the d'n'b track!

jaymc, Friday, 8 June 2007 15:49 (eighteen years ago)

i do still like this a lot (its great for working out to at the gym) but theres something about it that bothers me - there just isnt much of a lingering impression after its done.

its really fun and enjoyable (although it has a few not exactly weak, but slighly uninteresting moments - excuse me please and bubbles and maybe even paranoid) but theres nothing that really sits with you after its gone.

i mean, musically, and lyrically, i do remember quite a lot of the verses and various moments (unlike the wiley album) but its just a bit lightweight - not much to chew on really after its ended.

hope that makes sense.

titchyschneiderMk2, Tuesday, 12 June 2007 12:50 (eighteen years ago)

pimp c is a total scene stealer on the ugk record

deej, Tuesday, 12 June 2007 14:51 (eighteen years ago)

he is
so is bun b
i was almost prepared to write bun b off after the mere okayishness of trill but together theyre unbeatable, still
pimp c is so classic on the song with outkast

titchyschneiderMk2, Tuesday, 12 June 2007 15:22 (eighteen years ago)

but in fairness dizzee doesnt get outshone - he totally holds his own, which is something i dont think you could say about too many guys

titchyschneiderMk2, Tuesday, 12 June 2007 15:22 (eighteen years ago)

deej is the ugk yr fave track on the record then? that would be uninteresting.

personally i don't get this sudden tut-tutting for 'suk my dick', it's the best thing on it. the other happy fun tracks feel as subject to 5 hours of deep dizzee consideration as the emo ones. (i don't mean to say they come across laboured either tho mind, but still)

r|t|c, Tuesday, 12 June 2007 15:25 (eighteen years ago)

nah my favorite is 'da feeling'
the ugk track is great but by no means outstanding, not really the heart of the record or anything

deej, Tuesday, 12 June 2007 15:28 (eighteen years ago)

xp what?!! dizzee gets totally boyed off on that song! nursery rhyme v doubletime = game over

r|t|c, Tuesday, 12 June 2007 15:28 (eighteen years ago)

Love "Suck My Dik".

There's not really that much emo on there is there? "World Outside" yeah. "Paranoid" seems strategic, like, "I can do a Wiley track better than Wiley" ("World Outside" is just a Wiley track). I like it.

(odd how when Dizzee does emo now he just sounds like Wiley biting Dizzee's emoness)

Tim F, Tuesday, 12 June 2007 15:35 (eighteen years ago)

Someone upthread OTM about the yankee doodle dandy rip on "Suck My Dik".

Tim F, Tuesday, 12 June 2007 15:36 (eighteen years ago)

not sure about the emoness/wiley thing at all... its just what dizzees been doing since BIDC.

i listened to BIDC at the weekend actually - im wondering if its actually a bit overrated.

titchyschneiderMk2, Tuesday, 12 June 2007 15:39 (eighteen years ago)

yeah matt dc come collect your thread otm award, if only for being the only one to admit to the fun of sirens verse 3

I BREAK THE LAW I WILL NEVER CHANGE

r|t|c, Tuesday, 12 June 2007 15:44 (eighteen years ago)

drownedinsound didnt like that bit.

titchyschneiderMk2, Tuesday, 12 June 2007 15:46 (eighteen years ago)

I became much more reconciled to that nu-metal dalliance when I confirmed it was an isolated incident!

Tim F, Tuesday, 12 June 2007 15:46 (eighteen years ago)

I think I would be okay with just the guitars on that part, it's the guitars + megaphone vocals that get to me.

Jordan, Tuesday, 12 June 2007 15:57 (eighteen years ago)

Bubbles and Flex are wicked songs

Erock Zombie, Tuesday, 12 June 2007 23:01 (eighteen years ago)

three weeks pass...

best rap album of the year i reckon.... def top 5 at least.

titchyschneiderMk2, Tuesday, 3 July 2007 15:44 (eighteen years ago)

finally listened to most of it this morning but it sounds much weaker than the first two to me.

blueski, Tuesday, 3 July 2007 15:46 (eighteen years ago)

BIDC is kinda overrated if you ask me

titchyschneiderMk2, Tuesday, 3 July 2007 15:51 (eighteen years ago)

RONG AGAIN

jim, Tuesday, 3 July 2007 15:52 (eighteen years ago)

fookin brilliant record.

kenan, Tuesday, 3 July 2007 15:52 (eighteen years ago)

esp. surprised by all the love for 'suck my dik' - thought it was v poor/boring on first listen.

blueski, Tuesday, 3 July 2007 15:53 (eighteen years ago)

"Where's da G'a" and "Flex" are prolly my faves right now, "Da Feelin'" close behind.

kenan, Tuesday, 3 July 2007 15:55 (eighteen years ago)

dont like that one that much although its kinda fun in a juvenille way. but pussyole, wannabe, flex, wheres da gs = all classic. some of his best songs.

titchyschneiderMk2, Tuesday, 3 July 2007 15:56 (eighteen years ago)

although its kinda fun in a juvenille way

exactly! It's like "Summertime" by Fresh Prince or somethin.

kenan, Tuesday, 3 July 2007 15:57 (eighteen years ago)

um yeah. exactly the same. hard to tell the two apart in fact.

titchyschneiderMk2, Tuesday, 3 July 2007 15:58 (eighteen years ago)

you know what I mean.

kenan, Tuesday, 3 July 2007 15:59 (eighteen years ago)

i do i do ;)

more snoop and eazy e and dr dre than will smith/summertime though.

titchyschneiderMk2, Tuesday, 3 July 2007 16:00 (eighteen years ago)

Titchy I'm still surprised that you're taking this line (including saying BIDC is a bit overrated!) but I do agree.

Tim F, Tuesday, 3 July 2007 22:02 (eighteen years ago)

the line that its a good album? it is though! ill make a post maybe later about why i now think BIDC is a bit overrated despite its obvious moments of genius but i think this is overall, dizzees most enjoyable album. its also the most free of self consciousness i think hes ever been on an album. i only keep bumping the thread after i go back to M+E and feel excited after hearing 'i love it when you wind like thaaaaaaat' again. ;)

titchyschneiderMk2, Tuesday, 3 July 2007 22:11 (eighteen years ago)

or maybe its not really good and ive just been brainwashed by reading too many of lex's posts.

titchyschneiderMk2, Tuesday, 3 July 2007 22:11 (eighteen years ago)

Having listened to all three again in the last few weeks, Showtime is the particularly overrated one. The best moments are tremendous but the sag in quality in the middle is really apparent.

Matt DC, Tuesday, 3 July 2007 22:22 (eighteen years ago)

Titchy I guess I just thought that you'd be Boy in da Corner forever, death to all hip hop tinged follow-ups.

Tim F, Tuesday, 3 July 2007 22:27 (eighteen years ago)

tim, theoretically i am, and in the case of most grime artists, i def am (that new kano mix cd was painfully dissapointing for example), but dizzee seems like he can pull it off somehow. its weird, cos whenever he freestyles on hip hop beats on radio, he sounds terrible. but here, he seemed to find a way to make it fit him better. shame there arent more grimier tracks like temptation though... (although even that is ruined by that arctic monkeys bit)

and yeah, showtime is really hard to listen to. it takes it out of you...

titchyschneiderMk2, Tuesday, 3 July 2007 22:38 (eighteen years ago)

yes. This album puts it back in really effectively, tho. Dizzee is goddamn good.

kenan, Wednesday, 4 July 2007 00:33 (eighteen years ago)

Wow, I love this: "Temptation," "Suk My Dik," "World Outside," at least three others.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Friday, 6 July 2007 18:34 (eighteen years ago)

three weeks pass...

the radio version of pussyole is diff - new scratches, bassline and arrangement. they just played it on radio one.

titchyschneiderMk2, Tuesday, 31 July 2007 12:27 (eighteen years ago)

And the word Pussyole removed, I assume?

Matt DC, Tuesday, 31 July 2007 13:09 (eighteen years ago)

yeah, that too

titchyschneiderMk2, Tuesday, 31 July 2007 13:28 (eighteen years ago)

just has a meeow sound instead of the word

ok, not really, but i wish it did

titchyschneiderMk2, Tuesday, 31 July 2007 13:28 (eighteen years ago)

Ha that would be awesome.

Tim F, Tuesday, 31 July 2007 13:44 (eighteen years ago)

i might make that edit myself lol

titchyschneiderMk2, Tuesday, 31 July 2007 14:39 (eighteen years ago)

two months pass...

apparently flex IS the next single!

titchyschneiderMk2, Tuesday, 2 October 2007 22:09 (eighteen years ago)

six months pass...

this is pretty krunk

Curt1s Stephens, Wednesday, 23 April 2008 19:48 (seventeen years ago)

Looking forward to seeing him live again soon.

forksclovetofu, Wednesday, 23 April 2008 19:51 (seventeen years ago)

is there some kind of huge hit on this album?
i passed by mtv hits a few days ago and saw "dizzee rascal's hitlist".
weeeird.

Creeztophair, Wednesday, 23 April 2008 19:57 (seventeen years ago)

Regular old MTV is pimping out The Gossip nonstop during their morning programming, so heavy MTV exposure doesn't necessarily correlate to mainstream success as much as it correlates to however much an act has impressed the MTV programming folks, whether it be through an internal champion or crafty A&R deals.

HI DERE, Wednesday, 23 April 2008 20:19 (seventeen years ago)

That Gossip (and possibly Dizzee) thing is part of an "MTV is music" promotion called 52/52; fifty-two "hawt" but intentionally diverse artists, doling out one per week with interviews/live shows/private show bumpers. They're also doing Flo Rida, Gnarls Barkley, Testament and Santogold.
That "internal champion/crafty a&R" is certainly the largest part of the selection process.

forksclovetofu, Wednesday, 23 April 2008 20:24 (seventeen years ago)

santogold blows.

Creeztophair, Thursday, 24 April 2008 01:12 (seventeen years ago)

Def Jux reissue doesn't have "Pussyole" on it.

LOSS

Whiney G. Weingarten, Wednesday, 7 May 2008 05:57 (seventeen years ago)

Vonus track "Driving With Nowhere To Go" is U&K.

etc, Wednesday, 7 May 2008 09:08 (seventeen years ago)

Def Jux reissue doesn't have "Pussyole" on it.

Wha?

Raw Patrick, Wednesday, 7 May 2008 09:11 (seventeen years ago)

one month passes...

just read an interview with him on channel 4 teletext. "dance music was shit" before calvin harris' acceptable in the eighties came out apparently.

titchyschneiderMk2, Wednesday, 2 July 2008 12:02 (seventeen years ago)

he's been talking such bullshit lately

lex pretend, Wednesday, 2 July 2008 12:06 (seventeen years ago)

'dance wiv me' is obv dreadful

lex pretend, Wednesday, 2 July 2008 12:06 (seventeen years ago)

It isn't.

zeus, Wednesday, 2 July 2008 12:16 (seventeen years ago)

it was more awful at glasto.

titchyschneiderMk2, Wednesday, 2 July 2008 12:18 (seventeen years ago)

two weeks pass...

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If Timi Yuro would be still alive, most other singers could shut up, Saturday, 19 July 2008 09:02 (seventeen years ago)

I was just banging some "Pussy'ole" tonight.

The Reverend, Saturday, 19 July 2008 09:57 (seventeen years ago)

hes on the cover of HHC this month with el-p. they must be a bit strapped for cover stars at the mo (its an AMERICAN re-release, and quite a few months old now!). sticking with hhc, i do like the mag a lot, but i dont get how dizzee is the only grime artist they feature regularly, esp when they could give some space to skepta or doogz or someone instead of all the no-mark uk hip hop names they seem to feature all the time.

titchyschneiderMk2, Sunday, 20 July 2008 23:00 (seventeen years ago)

five months pass...

WTF he is working with Armand Van Helden for the next album?! Jesus that could be amazing.

Matt DC, Wednesday, 14 January 2009 18:00 (seventeen years ago)

Ah, I see this is old news. Still, exciting.

Matt DC, Wednesday, 14 January 2009 18:05 (seventeen years ago)

nearly 10 years since AVH fell off tho?

Timezilla vs Mechadistance (blueski), Wednesday, 14 January 2009 18:08 (seventeen years ago)


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