DFA Records vs. Ed Banger Records?

i don't get the big deal about uffie, i think she's good but not great. but justice is the fucking shit. oh, and justice is two guys, not one

that's another thing i've never really understood. why do the "real" people always punish others for having a sense of style? btw, i'm not a terribly stylish guy, i've just always wondered this.

i think it is justice rather than ed banger per se who get the dislike.

the Surkin records are untouchable, new Cuizi mixtape as well. just got ahold of the Para One album and it is pretty much my album of the year so far. The scope is incredible.

really, watch them grow.

secret best ed banger track: 'theme from vicarious bliss' (lifelike goes to disco remix)

that's another thing i've never really understood. why do the "real" people always punish others for having a sense of style? btw, i'm not a terribly stylish guy, i've just always wondered this.

This strikes me as a pretty ridiculous thing to say.

no shit, can we just turn this thread into a lifelike s/d instead?

Ed Banger and all that new French sub-Daft Punk stuff is just uninspiring.

pls elaborate, I only know that remix from them!

why? obviously you feel it's untrue. i'm sure aspects of both ways of thinking have probably been discussed in any number of "keeping it real" or style vs. substance type threads, but please explain.

2007 is ours.

I just don't see why there has to be this opposition between 'style' and 'substance' or 'realness'. They aren't mutually exclusive, or even particularly connected! Does a person who is both 'real' and 'stylish' have to hate themselves?

my precious diamond
black chess

p.p.s. i like "waters of nazareth" a lot

also, we just did this thread and it went to three hundred thousand posts and we all ended up hating each other and breaking up the band.

I think it is the opposite. It is now safe to say you like DFA again and start bashing the shit out of Ed Banger Records. I did come up with a good name for their genre "Franco-Filter Metal"......

this is such a stupid thread, I am not even sure why DFA are involved/compared, but amusing none the less....How could Justice be "the new LCD Soundsystem"? please explain this part? do any of these Ed Banger bands play live? That has been such a crucial part of DFA's history, with Juan Maclean, LCD SS, Black Dice, Delia & Gavin, Hot Chip.

I still have yet to meet anyone in NY who DJ's or is involved in music that likes Justice.

besides, I have it on good authority that turtledoveDIES! actually is one half of Justice (it was a slick move, that referring-to-themselves-as-one-person curveball, tho)

yesyesyes this is amaaaazing! "rowr!"

Lucky you. Sadly I know too many of these people....

I hope I'm not making this sound good.

I think I prefer "gehts noch", something about the "chorus" of "rocker" kills the flow for me. If it was just the fucked up noises bit for six minutes I'd probably like it more.

And when I think of "gehts noch" i usually think of eulberg's tweaking of it.

Still miss rushiness, trackiness, emotions other that "woo-hoo (pumps fist)" and other things that 36kbps-distortio-fuzz is hardly a substitute for.

tomas andersson, 'copy cat'.

I like that one justice track 'one minute to midnight' (which isn't on the EP) a lot actually, but don't really care about 'waters of nazareth'. anyone else think that it's not really catchy enough to be as annoying as 'rocker' was?

I'm coming to the conclusion that Waters Of Nazareth is great but the last thing we need is 300 chancers ripping it off. Which is what we're going to get.

(what the hell is "Popper?")

(grr)

'washing up' is better than all the above.

'i love asphalt' by ada is better still.

Ahhh, the human condition...

Anyway, as a Brooklynite who knows precisely JACK SHIT about the "the scene" or whateverthefuck people are supposed to be listening to in NYC right now, I dig Ed Bangers (and especially Justice). Not as dancefloor fodder, 'cuz I'm not inclined to give more than two-and-a-half shits for that, but as music for listening. It's entertaining, clever and fun.

As more people hear it, more punters just like me will come to the same conclusion. Simply 'cuz the shit works.

Fuck authenticity.
Fuck credibility.
Fuck seriousness of intent.
Just listen to the good stuff.

you are an idiot.

-- s1ocki (slytusk@gmail.com), July 18th, 2006.

Yeah, yeah. [insert "emoticon" representing small yellow man rolling eyes here]

Tell me something new...

it disturbs me to now know that fuckfuckingfuckedfucker could be sitting across from me on the train each morning, listening to Justice.

-- fongoloid sangfroid (mikeoptins@gmail.com), July 18th, 2006.

I'll be the one wearing gray tweed slacks and a...

fox'n'wolf

we might have a winner for the worst of this stuff ... they're neck and neck with Uffie

(the best of it is Digitalism, imo)

worst troll ever.

And I haven't heard anything by Digitalism with the instant appeal of the w/Simian track, the "Fallen" remix, or "Waters of Nazareth". Then again, I haven't heard much. Do like the Discodrome remix of "Zdarlight"...

Fuck Williamsburg. And fuck Queens ever more thoroughly still.

worst troll ever.

-- dmr (drenard2@nyc.rr.com), July 18th, 2006.

Hey, at least I'm trying.

Zdarlight is proper French house though, it's not really rocky in any useful sense of the word. I'm still not sure Digitalism belong here at all.

I agree wholeheartedly with the statement that, "DFA is dance music done in a rock style, [while] Justice/MSTRKRFT is rock music done in a dance style." But that doesn't incline me to like or dislike either one.

I like rock music, and I like dance music. I approach them both as pop, and find them equally (if differently) rewarding. I don't think either can claim any kind of "moral superiority". Frankly, I find the idea of "morally superior" music rather distasteful.

i hate rock music, but i still like justice, so i conclude that they can't JUST be dance-for-indie-kids or whatever.

Perhaps you meant to indicate that the vapidity of the statement in question inclines you to distance yourself from whoeverthehell said it?

Hokay. But I still think it's (at least somewhat) valid. MSTRKRFT really is a ROCK project, albeit spun in disko drag. I don't think that necessarily makes 'em more successful as rock or less successful as dance music -- but it does accurately reflect their origins story. Inverse applies to DFA: they make dance music with troo disko sensibilities... They just happen to work from a rock-informed sonic/aesthetic palette.

Justice is more complex. The R-O-C-K gloss on Justice productions is HUGE, and a lot of their stuff really does work perfectly well as rock 'n' roll. But it's harder to say exactly where they're coming from or where they're going. The "rock" angle in their work is clearly affected, if no less "authentic" for all that. And the fundamental purpose and implied audience of the music puts it squarely in the dance camp. But I get the feeling that dance music die-hards are a bit put off by them, while they appeal very strongly to my (admittedly rockist) ear.

Does any of that advance the debate or even make sense? Probably not. Just trying to parse the codes...

I guess that's true about Zdarlight, although the buildup is guitars .... plus Digitalism remixed Cut Copy and the Cure ... I think they fit in here.

their new single (Jupiter Room) starts off like French house but then gets into that Waters of Nazareth electro grind .... I like it even better than Zdarlight, it's darker and crazier. Not as rushy, though.

is Paul Edward Wagemann in your top 8 myspace friends?

-- fongoloid sangfroid (mikeoptins@gmail.com), July 18th, 2006.

"Myspace." Good one. That's some kinda computer joke, right? Wanna cyber?

Justice
Waters of Nazareth
Vice (2006, MP3)

by Jess Harvell

The French are weird. Every weekend, their clubs fill up with what we’d recognize as a Friday night crowd at the Ottobar: guys in neck beards and Motörhead T-shirts, girls in hipster mullets and wobbly heels. Cigarettes are smoked. Beers are spilled. Devil horns are thrown. Except instead of punk or metal they’re getting down to house music. It’s a window into an alternate universe where the Bee Gees and Black Flag swapped places.

But the reason French indie-rock kids flock to house is not because they have a special affinity for bongos or Bohannon. It’s because their house might as well be rock. Spearheaded by the label Ed Banger (geddit?), this new French house is music for pogoing, not sashaying, and any swing has been squeezed as tightly as a waifboy’s crotch in a pair of girls’ jeans. Ed Banger’s flagship act, licensed by Vice in the States, is the Parisian duo Justice. "Waters of Nazareth" is the loudest pop-metal single of the year--it just happened to be made on a couple of synthesizers by a pair of club rats.

Most dance music is equal parts high and low end: cut the midrange, drop the bass. "Waters of Nazareth" is all grinding midrange. Opening with a painful blast of digital static, the song is built on one skyscraper-sized riff of sculpted noise and the creepiest church organ this side of The Omen. And what a riff it is--charging out of even the crappiest speakers, obliterating the bass line, threatening to swallow the scraping metal-on-pavement drums like that giant sandworm from Dune. There’s a 1.5-second breakdown, and then the riff roars back in, before everything collapses in a belch of sooty feedback. It’s dead simple, and that’s why so many house purists hate it. But it’s a fist-pumping reminder that a lot of the best rock is great dance music, and vice versa.

don't know if i was one of the offenders on the mstrkrft thread or not, but it's for this very reason that i have elected out of participating any further in any of this stuff until justice have something substantial enough to talk about (hopefully soon).

i would like to point out that jess's review states that these are french indie kids we're talking about... they've mostly all come from a background of hip hop, oizo and filterhouse, fwiw.

and youtube videos don't count as observational instruction in what paris is like. nor does that blackstrobe dvd that came with their 'other side' mix.

Isn't it the other way round??

http://images.google.com/images?q=tbn:7fnLTdbNzp095M:www.clubber.gr/Djs/YOJI%2520BIOMEHANIKA.jpg

and at the actual music end we have Carl Craig

http://images.google.com/images?q=tbn:7fnLTdbNzp095M:www.clubber.gr/Djs/YOJI%2520BIOMEHANIKA.jpg

dr s gachet
doc scott
doc martin
dr dre
dr walker
dr motte
doctorin' the tardis
doctor octagon
dr buzzard
dr LX paterson
dr alimantado
dr freeze
doctor xavier (ok not a musician but an awesome superhero!!)
dr freecloud aka ron d core
fu schnickens ft shaquille o neal - what's up doc?
m doc (aka steve hurley)
doctor rockit
solid doctor
wax doctor
funk doc aka redman
dr eich

more like WOOFIE amirite?

note: the paedophile on the right is a member of mstrkrft, the blogger on the left is a known associate of a notorious white supremacist known as "tha pumpsta"

i stumbled on that blog while looking for pictures of the hottentot venus

10/10

xpost: i thought this electro-rock stuff was just breaks '06

And Galkin, I'm sorry. I didn't mean to irk you. Don't get me wrong, I love DFA to death. And it was a stupid thing to say; all's I meant was that Justice could attain the popularity that LCD Soundsystem gained in 04/05. Which likely may not happen. It was an overexcited and stuipd thing to say.

Please forgive me everyone. Ellen Allein... she's cool, eh? Can't we all agree on that?

I think he was actually Swedish, like Dr Alban, callously omitted by vahid.

(nb i think ronan doesn't like her :( )

I had a little drug malfunction involving standing next to a bass bin and having pills that were already damaged in transit being disintegrated in my hands. So I couldn't stay through Richie and Ricardo's set, ran out of the dancing stamina and had to get away to somewhere less crowded and have a seat.

Dave Clarke was playing in, I think, Sonar park. Some of my friends where there so I went and talked to them. Before he finished Disco D had a desk with his equipment on it set-up down the front of the stage directly in front of Dave Clarke. This was for the last ten minutes of his set or so and seemed quite disrespectful. Disco D stood there running on the spot and smoking a joint and shouting directions at one of the technical guys. When Dave Clarke finished Disco D started talking about how he'd been to Rio and been inspired by the Djs. This all sounded fine, ghettotech to funk carioca sounds like a smooth transition for a producer/dj. However things took a turn for the ominous when D added "I've never done this before, I've got my Serrato here in case I fuck up". He then started rather arhythmically bashing his MPC in the bass-snare-bass-bass-snare style, along with samples from a G-Unit song. After about 30 seconds he stopped and said "Now the fucked up version". And proceeded to do the same but with a bit of a funk carioca style to it (i.e. some tribal drum circle samples). I went off for a piss at this time, when I returned he was basically doing almost the same thing but now to about half the amount of people who had been there when I left. Nobody who remained that I could see was dancing, some where visibly grimacing at the spectacle. I left.

-- GALKIN (j...), July 16th, 2006 3:46 PM. (GALKIN)

i'm so sick now of glitchy midrangey dance-rock that i'm drawn to just about anything deep and dubby. the organic bass and sprinkled congas of maurice fulton's "over and over" remix sound glorious right now.