13th Floor Elevators: C/D

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The only thing I know about them yet is the absolutely genious "Slip Inside This House" that is beating the shit out of the Primal Scream version.

So, what do you think?

Grand (grand), Monday, 22 May 2006 17:16 (nineteen years ago)

Never heard of them. I'll try the search engine.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 22 May 2006 17:21 (nineteen years ago)

s/t & easter everywhere are C. And Roky 'Evil One' and 'Don't Slander Me' are pretty C too.

Carlos Keith (Buck_Wilde), Monday, 22 May 2006 20:25 (nineteen years ago)

Never heard of them. I'll try the search engine.

Normally I'd agree. ;-) But it appears there isn't an actual classic/dud thread just on them yet, so...

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 22 May 2006 20:29 (nineteen years ago)

'Psychedelic Sounds Of' i meant. sorry.

Carlos Keith (Buck_Wilde), Monday, 22 May 2006 20:30 (nineteen years ago)

I believe Easter Everywhere is a genuinely sacred work of art and I'm not using that terminology lightly.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Monday, 22 May 2006 20:43 (nineteen years ago)

All three albums brilliant. The first one is untouchable and I think "Slip.." is one of the greatest opening tracks ever. Totally mindblowing! (maaann...). Bull of the Woods is awesome as well. A must have, and a must listen (don't just download them :o))

Arnar Eggert Thoroddsen (arnart1802), Monday, 22 May 2006 21:15 (nineteen years ago)

Bull of the Woods is awesome as well.

BOTW is essential if only for the cover of "May The Circle Be Unbroken" which is possibly the best version of this anywhere.

LOL Thomas (Chris Barrus), Monday, 22 May 2006 21:24 (nineteen years ago)

If you're really into whole original Elevators thing, though, "Never Another" and "Dear Dr. Doom" are kind of essential as well.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Monday, 22 May 2006 21:30 (nineteen years ago)

overrated.
the production is awful.
the covers asre better then the originals.

coco the kid, Monday, 22 May 2006 21:32 (nineteen years ago)

bullshit.

CLASSIC. first one is great, second is better, bull of the woods is spotty but has some amazing tunes (including some good non-roky tracks like "street song"). and those horns.

GOD PUNCH TO HAWKWIND (yournullfame), Monday, 22 May 2006 22:32 (nineteen years ago)

never been a thread about them? that seems criminally wrong and highly odd.

S: "Levitation"!!!

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 22 May 2006 22:45 (nineteen years ago)

absolutely unimpeachable classic.

electro-acoustic lycanthrope (orion), Monday, 22 May 2006 22:45 (nineteen years ago)

is there any instance where Texas + acid /= classic?

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 22 May 2006 22:51 (nineteen years ago)

I prefer Spacemen 3.

Wubbwuhwuhwuh-Wubbwuhwuhwuh-Wubbwuhwuhwuh-Wubbwuhwuhwuh-Wubbwuhwuhwuh-Wubbwuhwuh, Monday, 22 May 2006 22:52 (nineteen years ago)

I do too, but respect to the originals! Original version of Rollercoaster is pretty killer.

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 22 May 2006 22:54 (nineteen years ago)

(including some good non-roky tracks like "street song")

Yeah, I love "Street Song"!

Stormy Davis (diamond), Monday, 22 May 2006 22:55 (nineteen years ago)

"Slip Inside This House" hits me like a tsunami every time I hear it.

Keith C (lync0), Monday, 22 May 2006 23:22 (nineteen years ago)

What about Roky solo "two headed dog" I love those lyrics.

1st 13th Floor Elevators albums is my favourite.

Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy (Kerr), Monday, 22 May 2006 23:24 (nineteen years ago)

Oh and yeah the Spacemen 3 "Rollercoaster" (full 20 min version) is fantastic.

Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy (Kerr), Monday, 22 May 2006 23:26 (nineteen years ago)

I prefer Spacemen 3.

that's the craziest fucking thing i've ever heard.

GOD PUNCH TO STEVEN COLBERT (yournullfame), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 02:26 (nineteen years ago)

it's so nice to see the love for slip inside this house! it's by far my favorite song of theirs. maybe even my favorite psych song ever. i spent a long time in the past trying to get inside it, and, man, it will really throw you some curveballs no matter how many times you have heard it. it's right up there with follow the leader and i feel love as far as past obsessions of mine go. (i have lots more, but i won't bore you.)

scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 02:35 (nineteen years ago)

that complete roky lyrics book that rollins put out is a godsend.

scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 02:37 (nineteen years ago)

Satan's Cheerleaders have the best version of Rollercoaster.

Hail Jeff Satan, Tuesday, 23 May 2006 03:01 (nineteen years ago)

SITH - those lyrics in full. Endlessy enigmatic; a high watermark of Western civilisation. Shame it all ended so badly...


Bedoin tribes ascending
From the egg into the flower,
Alpha information sending
State within the heaven shower
From disciples the unending
Subtleties of river power
They slip inside this house as they pass by
If your limbs begin dissolving
In the water that you tread
All surroundings are evolving
In the stream that clears your head
Find yourself a caravan
Like Noah must have led
And slip inside this house as you pass by.
Slip inside this house as you pass by.
True conception, knowing why
Brings even more than meets the eye
Slip inside this house as you pass by.
In this dark we call creation
We can be and feel and know
From an effort, comfort station
That's surviving on the go
There's infinite survival in
The high baptismal glow.
Slip inside this house as you pass by.
There is no season when you are grown
You are always risen from the seeds you've sown
There is no reason to rise alone
Other stories given have sages of their own.
Live where your heart can be given
And your life starts to unfold
In the forms you envision
In this dream that's ages old
On the river layer is the only sayer
You receive all you can hold
Like you've been told.
Every day's another dawning
Give the morning winds a chance
Always catch your thunder yawning
Lift your mind into the dance
Sweep the shadows from your awning
Shrink the fourfold circumstance
That lies outside this house don't pass it by.
Higher worlds that you uncover
Light the path you want to roam
You compare there and discover
You won't need a shell of foam
Twice born gypsies care and keep
The nowhere of their former home
They slip inside this house as they pass by.
Slip inside this house as you pass by.
You think you can't, you wish you could
I know you can, I wish you would
Slip inside this house as you pass by.
Four and twenty birds of Maya
Baked into an atom you
Polarized into existence
Magnet heart from red to blue
To such extent the realm of dark
Within the picture it seems true
But slip inside this house and then decide.
All your lightning waits inside you
Travel it along your spine
Seven stars receive your visit
Seven seals remain divine
Seven churches filled with spirit,
Treasure from the angels' mine
Slip inside this house as you pass by.
Slip inside this house as you pass by.
The space you make has your own laws
No longer human gods are cause
The center of this house will never die.
There is no season when you are grown
You are always risen from the seeds you've sown
There is no reason to rise alone
Other stories given have sages of their own.
Draw from the well of unchanging
Its union nourishes on
In the right re-arranging
Till the last confusion is gone
Water-brothers trust in the ultimust
Of the always singing song they pass along.
One-eyed men aren't really reigning
They just march in place until
Two-eyed men with mystery training
Finally feel the power fill
Three-eyed men are not complaining.
They can yo-yo where they will
They slip inside this house as they pass by.
Don't pass it by.

eyesteel (eyesteel), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 06:18 (nineteen years ago)

CLASSIC!

xgurggleglgllg (xgurggleglgllg), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 06:20 (nineteen years ago)

Scott - which " follow the leader" ??

grapple (grapple), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 06:24 (nineteen years ago)

you know i don't think i was emphatic enough. FUCKING CLASSIC.

GOD PUNCH TO HAWKWIND (yournullfame), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 08:09 (nineteen years ago)

oh, and you know what's great? i've never seen the lyrics to "slip inside this house" before and all of the bits where i thought "nah, he can't be saying that" are exactly what i thought they were.

GOD PUNCH TO HAWKWIND (yournullfame), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 08:11 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, I don't think I've ever seen those lyrics in full either - spent hours trying to puzzle them out when one of my former bands covered it and it was all "huh? is he saying what I think he's saying?"

Anyway, I echo what others are saying. My fave album is Easter Everywhere - though Psychedelic Sounds is pretty close. Bull Of The Woods has the occasional note of brilliance (yes, mad props to May the Circle Be Unbroken) but patchy. Also there's quite a bit of live stuff floating around which is worth checking out because the electric WHOOOPWHOOPWHOOP jug is more clear in the mix.

The Minimal Criminal (kate), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 08:19 (nineteen years ago)

Total classic, all of the albums are quite different so you have to get all of them. 1st album has terrible production but great songs, "Easter Everywhere" is nearly perfect, "Bull of the Woods" creeps up on you until you're almost convinced it's the best thing they ever did. Soooooooooooo much better than so many of those "classic" West Coast psychedelic bands.

Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 08:24 (nineteen years ago)

Awesomely classic. Especially the jug! That guy's brain must have seriously gone places while he was hyperventillating on that thing. Oh, and I do love 'She Lives (In a Time of Her Own)'.

NickB (NickB), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 08:34 (nineteen years ago)

classic, though im also in the 'prefer spacemen 3' bag... despite a lack of electric jug

chris andrews (fraew), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 09:56 (nineteen years ago)

i don't even get the comparison.

(plus spacemen 3 were crap.)

GOD PUNCH TO HAWKWIND (yournullfame), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 09:58 (nineteen years ago)

SPACEMEN 3 WERE NOT CRAP!!!!!

However, preferring their cover versions to the 13th Floor Elevators originals is pure mentalism.

The Minimal Criminal (kate), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 10:03 (nineteen years ago)

utter fucking CLASSIC.

eedd, Tuesday, 23 May 2006 13:59 (nineteen years ago)

Satan's Cheerleaders do "Levitation" and "Rollercoaster" both (I think) better than anyone else, including TFE, which I know is a terrible thing to say, but it's just my opinion. I love TFE. And these are the 2 best songs the SC ever did, too. Butthole Surfers did a great version of "Earthquake."

When I get home, I can YSI these things if you like. Maybe we should YSI a "tribute" album of covers?

Also, I was just kidding about Spacemen 3. Yes, I really like Spacemen 3, but I actually really dislike their version of Rollercoaster due to the way he sings it. Jeff Satan sings it beautifully, even Roky can't top him! Plus, the SC garagey fidelity is about the best sound ever recorded.

Ginseng Energy, Tuesday, 23 May 2006 15:01 (nineteen years ago)

Add another vote for "unimpeachably classic" here. Those boosting Easter Everywhere are so OTM that they're threatening the stability of world markets.

I am ready to kill myself and eat my dog (teenagequiet), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 15:08 (nineteen years ago)

Easter Everywhere is also my favorite. Theoretically, it is the perfect length (40 minutes-ish?) but everytime it ends, I wish it was longer.

Ginseng Energy, Tuesday, 23 May 2006 15:13 (nineteen years ago)

is it me, or does "Baby Blue" just ache with a yearning not on Dylan's version...
that song just makes me melt into a nostalgia trip everytime...

btw- seek (if you can find them!) the 8 track mixes, as they were different and clearer than the Collectables mixes, and were also different than the LP mixes...genuinely better production sounds.

recently got Bull of Woods, has some nice stuff. nowhere near as incinderary as 'the Psychedelic Sounds' or 'Easter Everywhere', tho...

eedd, Tuesday, 23 May 2006 15:18 (nineteen years ago)

... give it time

Samuel KB Amphong (Dada), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 15:24 (nineteen years ago)

sorry, but the Collectables CDs, all of them, blow really really hard. AVOID at all costs. they sound horrible.

scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 15:32 (nineteen years ago)

They sound good enough for the price.

Ginseng Energy, Tuesday, 23 May 2006 15:36 (nineteen years ago)

is it me, or does "Baby Blue" just ache with a yearning not on Dylan's version...

Not sure Dylan meant to be either achey or yearning with his version (or ever), so yeah.

dan. (dan.), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 15:37 (nineteen years ago)

Fine, no YSI for you.

Ginseng Energy, Tuesday, 23 May 2006 15:57 (nineteen years ago)

yeah, so which cd pressings sound good? i've heard an original vinyl easter everywhere and it definitely blows the decal cd away.

is it me, or does "Baby Blue" just ache with a yearning not on Dylan's version...

isn't there some apocryphal story about dylan saying it was better than his version?

GOD PUNCH TO HAWKWIND (yournullfame), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 19:12 (nineteen years ago)

the sunspots pressings sound quite a bit better than the collectables ones

I am ready to kill myself and eat my dog (teenagequiet), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 19:15 (nineteen years ago)

Hey, guess what, fellas? The 8-Track mixes are out there. ;-) Now, why didn't any of you numbnuts respond favorably to the YSI offer?

Nude S*ock, Wednesday, 24 May 2006 01:11 (nineteen years ago)

"yeah, so which cd pressings sound good?"

the vinyl reissues sound fine.

scott seward (scott seward), Wednesday, 24 May 2006 01:14 (nineteen years ago)

they even have mono and stereo vinyl reissues of the first two albums. i think. i know i have a mono easter everywhere somewhere. you can get bubble puppy mono and stereo too, i think. or you could at one point.

scott seward (scott seward), Wednesday, 24 May 2006 01:16 (nineteen years ago)

Yep, just got the 8-track mixes of Psychedelic Sounds, Easter Everywhere and Bull of The Woods. Sounds great. Thanks, ILM, for informing me they are out there. ThePirateBay.

k thx bye, Wednesday, 24 May 2006 08:46 (nineteen years ago)

I may have to become a torrent person.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Wednesday, 24 May 2006 09:20 (nineteen years ago)

"Never heard of them. "

alex, tell me you're kidding!!!

Nathalie (stevie nixed), Wednesday, 24 May 2006 09:21 (nineteen years ago)

some reissue info:

http://www.lysergia.com/LamaWorkshop/elevFAQ.htm

scott seward (scott seward), Wednesday, 24 May 2006 10:05 (nineteen years ago)

"Yep, just got the 8-track mixes of Psychedelic Sounds, Easter Everywhere and Bull of The Woods. Sounds great. Thanks, ILM, for informing me they are out there"

my work here is done...

eedd, Wednesday, 24 May 2006 14:43 (nineteen years ago)

Although, I guess there was no umpteen minute version of Rollercoaster available for 8-track. :-/ Now that I know there is such a discrepency of sound quality on the various issues, it seems funny that Spacemen 3 suffered the same fate. I don't even think you can get Perfect Prescription as it originally sounded anymore. My horrid Taang version has a bunch of noise comparable to my Collectables version of Bull of The Woods, but it even goes one better by embedding actual digital skips in the recording. It's like some douche was burning a CD and surfing the internet at the same time and thus put 3 skips in my cd. They are not vinyl skips or tape cuts. They are clearly digital fuck-up skips like you occasionally hear on an mp3.

Funny World, Wednesday, 24 May 2006 16:35 (nineteen years ago)

one month passes...
so, uh, "you're gonna miss me" being used in a fucking dell computer commercial... C or D?

GOD PUNCH TO HAWKWIND (yournullfame), Monday, 17 July 2006 13:55 (nineteen years ago)

it is a garage/nugget/classik, so it's not that surprising. wonder who gets the do re mi.

scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 17 July 2006 14:01 (nineteen years ago)

Dunno, but it was Roky's birthday three days ago.

Ruud Haarvest (Ken L), Monday, 17 July 2006 14:02 (nineteen years ago)

it better fucking be roky getting that money. seriously, i'll break kneecaps if this money's just going to the estate of leland rogers or some shit.

GOD PUNCH TO HAWKWIND (yournullfame), Monday, 17 July 2006 14:47 (nineteen years ago)

it is a garage/nugget/classik, so it's not that surprising. wonder who gets the do re mi.

Yeah, and "High Fidelity" probably helped, too.

Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Monday, 17 July 2006 14:54 (nineteen years ago)

two weeks pass...
you know...i always had this faint suspicion that the love for this band was partly built on hype and mythology... but "easter everywhere" is just a really great, inventive, absorbing album... and the "electric jug" really works as more than a gimmick.

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Friday, 4 August 2006 18:03 (nineteen years ago)

I almost want rocky to die now for eerieness sake, that's kind of terrible.

Da Capo and Piper kind of put the “classicness” of Easter Everywhere in perspective though.

Adam S S (Zephery), Saturday, 5 August 2006 03:39 (nineteen years ago)

the weird thing about ilx is that i feel like i have always been here before

latebloomer (latebloomer), Saturday, 5 August 2006 03:41 (nineteen years ago)

Da Capo and Piper kind of put the “classicness” of Easter Everywhere in perspective though.

in what sense?

GOD PUNCH TO HAWKWIND (yournullfame), Saturday, 5 August 2006 04:07 (nineteen years ago)

easter everywhere is way better than both da capo and piper.

the eunuchs, Cassim and Mustafa, who guarded Abdur Ali's harem (orion), Sunday, 6 August 2006 02:24 (nineteen years ago)

damn straight duder

got so much $ can't spend it so fast (teenagequiet), Sunday, 6 August 2006 02:55 (nineteen years ago)

"you know...i always had this faint suspicion that the love for this band was partly built on hype and mythology.."

no.

scott seward (scott seward), Sunday, 6 August 2006 02:56 (nineteen years ago)

you can't disagree with the guy saying he thought something once!!!!

the eunuchs, Cassim and Mustafa, who guarded Abdur Ali's harem (orion), Sunday, 6 August 2006 03:36 (nineteen years ago)

i thought something once.

scott seward (scott seward), Sunday, 6 August 2006 03:38 (nineteen years ago)

I can disagree with you with you "way better than Piper" comment, though, duder.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Sunday, 6 August 2006 03:56 (nineteen years ago)

i bet i disagreed with someone who thought something once, or twice.

the eunuchs, Cassim and Mustafa, who guarded Abdur Ali's harem (orion), Sunday, 6 August 2006 03:57 (nineteen years ago)

xpost
WE KNOW U LOVE TEH FLOYD TIM.

the eunuchs, Cassim and Mustafa, who guarded Abdur Ali's harem (orion), Sunday, 6 August 2006 03:57 (nineteen years ago)

I mean that if Rocky died right now, it'd kind of be an honor for him.

I don't care for Easter everywhere all that much, but my transparent red copy sounds SO terrible that I feel like I'm having trouble judging. I like the debut quite a lot but it seems to me it accomplishes a few things where as Da Capo, Forever Changes, Piper and the Madcap Laughs all accomplish dozens of things. And sound much much better, and have world class, as opposed to just good, song writing.

Still a solid C, just don't know if it's an out of the ball park unquestionable C.

Adam S S (Zephery), Sunday, 6 August 2006 04:21 (nineteen years ago)

I feel like I'm having trouble judging

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Sunday, 6 August 2006 04:35 (nineteen years ago)

So, does the Spalax CD still have the best sound, or is the Sunspots one better? What about the Snapper UK one with all the bonus tracks? I'd like a CD copy of EE and need to know which one to get, thanks.

Marmot (marmotwolof), Sunday, 6 August 2006 05:04 (nineteen years ago)

I feel like I'm having trouble judging

I feel like I regret over-qualifying my statements into oblivion.

I don't like my copy of Easter Everywhere that much. It could be the music, or it could be the fact that I can't fucking hear anything.

Adam S S (Zephery), Sunday, 6 August 2006 14:56 (nineteen years ago)

Anyone besides me know what he's talking about in Slip Inside This House? If you know, the lyrics don't seem as great at all. Although it is nice that they do rhyme and that he was so blatant about it.

Butt Dickus (Dick Butkus), Sunday, 6 August 2006 23:27 (nineteen years ago)

What are you referring to?

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Monday, 7 August 2006 01:05 (nineteen years ago)

i hope he answers because it's going to be funny and wrong.

GOD PUNCH TO HAWKWIND (yournullfame), Monday, 7 August 2006 02:37 (nineteen years ago)

(final jeopardy music)

the eunuchs, Cassim and Mustafa, who guarded Abdur Ali's harem (orion), Monday, 7 August 2006 02:38 (nineteen years ago)

haha

=[[ (eman), Monday, 7 August 2006 02:44 (nineteen years ago)

i hope he answers because it's going to be funny and wrong.

They were singing about kitties.

No, just kidding.

I don't want to get into line-by-line specifics, but they got their fellow Texans, the Golden Dawn, which is a good clue.

http://www.texaschapbookpress.com/magellanslog3/slipinside.htm

Other things of note:

house = beth, the hebrew letter attributed to the magician, also refers to a body or incarnation.

red and blue / magnet heart = fire and water balanced in the hexagram of the heart and the "tetrapolar magnet" of the human body

rivers / water = primal water, aka High Priestess of the tarot, where we concentrate our focus to imprint our seed (idea) to take root and grow into the reality we create with our mind.

Maya, etc. blah blah blah, he's referring to the hermetic interpretation of reality. The Golden Dawn was a magical order that combined western and eastern alchemy, the ideas of which are all represented here with more than just a generic, surface familiarity. He is specifically detailing the cycle of reincarnation and the mystical interpretation of reality which is that spirit or consciousness gives rise to matter/maya and circumstance, rather than the materialist interpretation of reality which says consciousness evolved from matter. Each line is a reference to a person who is "waking up" to realization that the underlying reality is reversed from ordinary thinking: his circumstances don't limit him, his limitations create his circumstances. It's all in your mind, man... pass the weed.

Butt Dickus (Dick Butkus), Monday, 7 August 2006 03:03 (nineteen years ago)

but they got their fellow Texans, the Golden Dawn, [signed] which is a good clue.

The missing word there was "signed" which makes a lot more sense if it is included in the sentence.

Butt Dickus (Dick Butkus), Monday, 7 August 2006 03:05 (nineteen years ago)

Check out this Golden Dawn emblem:

http://www.hermeticgoldendawn.org/Hex.gif

Red triangle = fire, blue = water

The sun moving over the waters refers to consciousness (man/god) "moving over the waters" (as it says in Genesis) and is a metaphor representing the imprint of mind (solar force) on the primal waters.

Also, this bit:

"In this dark we call creation
We can be and feel and know
From an effort, comfort station
That's surviving on the go
There's infinite survival in
The high baptismal glow."

...is a direct reference to the sephiroth (stations) of the tree of life, just as David Bowie's Station to Station. The stations are "stepped down" in power so that the lesser stations are not destroyed by the infinite power... "that's surviving on the go"... it's an essential idea. Also "in this dark we call creation" is a reference to the "dark radiance" and the "high baptismal glow" is a reference to the L.V.X. (light in extension).

If you've ever read about this stuff, it's blatant and specific.

Butt Dickus (Dick Butkus), Monday, 7 August 2006 03:17 (nineteen years ago)

I don't think it's just about this philosophy regarding circumstance and matter/maya. The "waking up" is to spiritual consciousness in general. There is a lot of beautiful spritualist imagery in there.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Monday, 7 August 2006 03:19 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, that's what I said. A lot of beautiful imagery there that was written before many times.

Butt Dickus (Dick Butkus), Monday, 7 August 2006 03:21 (nineteen years ago)

Well, as Marc Bolan said, "The poet's job is to write down what is there."

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Monday, 7 August 2006 03:22 (nineteen years ago)

You don't think Tommy Hall did any noteworthy poetic work in composing this set of lyrics (apart from "it is nice that they do rhyme")? No organization of themes into a purposeful, original poetic text? No personal spiritual vision whatsoever - it's all just regurgitated imagery?

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Monday, 7 August 2006 03:28 (nineteen years ago)

It certainly didn't make me like them any less. I think it's pretty cool. I was just trying to point out that it's not some great super-imaginative thing here. Someone just studied the material and turned all the major points into lyrics.

But, I particularly like this bit:

Live where your heart can be given (do what you like, where people won't tell you your limits)
And your life starts to unfold (your dreams become reality)
In the forms you envision (you've impressed your mind on the primal waters)
In this dream that's ages old (maya)
On the river layer is the only sayer (you're the only authority, what you believe is what you say is true/possible)
You receive all you can hold (you have the power to get anything you want, whatever your limits are, whatever you can handle)
Like you've been told. (unfortunately, we tend to believe our 5 senses and what people tell us what is or isn't possible)

Butt Dickus (Dick Butkus), Monday, 7 August 2006 03:33 (nineteen years ago)

Alternate meaning of that last line: "as I've told you, you can do anything, all you can hold"

Butt Dickass (Dick Butkus), Monday, 7 August 2006 03:38 (nineteen years ago)

i saw "you're gonna miss me" tonight. cried thru the whole thing. roky's family makes the crumbs look normal.

hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 7 August 2006 03:45 (nineteen years ago)

13th floor elevators in misappropriating mystical hoo-hah shocka.

GOD PUNCH TO HAWKWIND (yournullfame), Monday, 7 August 2006 07:01 (nineteen years ago)

where did you see that, hstencil?

=[[ (eman), Monday, 7 August 2006 11:32 (nineteen years ago)

yeah, where can a d00d see that?!??

edde (edde), Monday, 7 August 2006 14:52 (nineteen years ago)

if yer in NYC it's playing at lincoln center tonight. i'm going.

the eunuchs, Cassim and Mustafa, who guarded Abdur Ali's harem (orion), Monday, 7 August 2006 14:54 (nineteen years ago)

I don't know as that they misappropriated anything. Tommy Hall was very knowledgable.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Monday, 7 August 2006 15:12 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.youregonnamissme.com/

must see this!

=[[ (eman), Monday, 7 August 2006 15:24 (nineteen years ago)

i really want to see that!!!!

edde (edde), Monday, 7 August 2006 16:31 (nineteen years ago)

Stu Cook on Producing Roky Erickson

=[[ (eman), Monday, 7 August 2006 19:22 (nineteen years ago)

yeah i saw last night's showing. so fucking good.

hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 7 August 2006 19:29 (nineteen years ago)

Criticizing psychedelic lyrics for being obvious seems, well,
a bit dim. The Elevators weren't english majors or poet laureates.
They were hardscrabble garage rats who liked Tolkien, fuzzboxes and lots of drugs. More power to 'em.

(Although I have to say, the jug gets old).

Squirrel_Police (Squirrel_Police), Monday, 7 August 2006 19:35 (nineteen years ago)

You know what else gets old?

Marmot (marmotwolof), Monday, 7 August 2006 19:37 (nineteen years ago)

The stench of rotting flesh that comes out of your open mouth?

Squirrel_Police (Squirrel_Police), Monday, 7 August 2006 19:49 (nineteen years ago)

wow, will they put that on dvd?

rizzx (Rizz), Monday, 7 August 2006 19:55 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.serbangeorgevici.ro/Poze%20Biografie%20Artistica/Serban%20Georgevici%20-%20Zombi%202.jpg
"Wha?"

Marmot (marmotwolof), Monday, 7 August 2006 19:56 (nineteen years ago)

Criticizing psychedelic lyrics for being obvious seems, well,
a bit dim.

What about praising them as genius?

IPSISSIMUS (Uri Frendimein), Monday, 7 August 2006 19:58 (nineteen years ago)

The stench of rotting flesh that comes out of your open mouth?

really nice thing for a "roky fan" to say.

hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 7 August 2006 20:00 (nineteen years ago)

I think of demons!


Squirrel_Police (Squirrel_Police), Monday, 7 August 2006 20:01 (nineteen years ago)

but you don't think about roky's 3-hour operations to heal his mouth abcesses.

hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 7 August 2006 20:02 (nineteen years ago)

You're silly.

Squirrel_Police (Squirrel_Police), Monday, 7 August 2006 20:04 (nineteen years ago)

but not insensitive!

hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 7 August 2006 20:06 (nineteen years ago)

Who praised them as "genius?" (Not saying that they're not, personally, but wasn't aware of a ton of overblown praise.) People can read them for themselves and make up their own minds.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Monday, 7 August 2006 20:07 (nineteen years ago)

In the past 3 hours, I have learned more about Roky than I knew before and somehow I think it's going to take a lot of the enjoyment out of listening to those albums now. I'm going to go home and listen to those acoustic field recordings and drink. The Evil One +1 will never seem the same now that I know how it was recorded. It is pretty amazing that he sang so passionately for a guy who couldn't complete a whole song at a time, but it also completely changes how I will experience it knowing this.

IPSISSIMUS (Uri Frendimein), Monday, 7 August 2006 20:08 (nineteen years ago)

(xxpost)
Mel Gibson.

Squirrel_Police (Squirrel_Police), Monday, 7 August 2006 20:08 (nineteen years ago)

somehow I think it's going to take a lot of the enjoyment out of listening to those albums now.

this is silly.

hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 7 August 2006 20:10 (nineteen years ago)

Well, I don't remember anyone criticizing them as "psychedelic" or "obvious", either. I just wanted to see what Squirrel Police would say because either way I had a great comeback: "OK, just checkin'."

IPSISSIMUS (Uri Frendimein), Monday, 7 August 2006 20:10 (nineteen years ago)

The point isn't that Roky couldn't perform, the live
recordings prove that he could. It's just that he couldn't
handle a studio environment and the discipline that it
takes to make quality studio recordings.

Squirrel_Police (Squirrel_Police), Monday, 7 August 2006 20:11 (nineteen years ago)

Since when was psychedelic a curse word?

Squirrel_Police (Squirrel_Police), Monday, 7 August 2006 20:12 (nineteen years ago)

Roky's institutional/family history makes Daniel Johnston's look enviable.

Frankly, I have never wanted that much detail about the artist behind the work, be it wretched or a Horatio Alger story.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Monday, 7 August 2006 20:12 (nineteen years ago)

I don't remember anyone criticizing them as "psychedelic" or "obvious", either.

Someone was basically criticizing them for both these reasons only about a quarter of the way up the thread. (Are we even talking about Tommy Hall's lyrics for the Elevators anymore, btw? The conversation seems to have turned to Roky's solo music.)

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Monday, 7 August 2006 20:19 (nineteen years ago)

IMHO, the Elevators are great but they eat shit compared to
Roky's demons and zombies stuff.

Squirrel_Police (Squirrel_Police), Monday, 7 August 2006 20:57 (nineteen years ago)

Someone was basically criticizing them for both these reasons only about a quarter of the way up the thread.

Me?! I was pointing out they were blatantly describing certain spiritual traditions, which is a bit different from psychedelic obviousness. For psychedelic obviousness, see Stimpy's "Climb Inside My Bellybutton" song. Although psychedelics are certainly spiritual and psychedelic lyrics can be pretty obvious, I think Tommy Halls were pretty non-obvious and pretty far off the everyday map, actually. That's why I asked if anyone but me knew what they meant.

Butt Dickus (Dick Butkus), Monday, 7 August 2006 21:11 (nineteen years ago)

Well, you originally used the term "blatant" in a way that sounded fairly dismissive. You also characterized the psychedelic nature of the lyrics as:

"It's all in your mind, man... pass the weed."

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Monday, 7 August 2006 21:15 (nineteen years ago)

Well, the fact that it is blatant makes it quite a bit less creative, but that doesn't mean the lyrics are obvious. I think most people think it's a bunch of spacey nonsense that really means nothing. Pass the weed was a joke and a reference to the psychedelic nature of the times, not the lyrics. I don't even consider weed psychedelic, man!

Butt Dickus (Dick Butkus), Monday, 7 August 2006 21:24 (nineteen years ago)

Still don't really agree with the premise of criticizing his lyrics as poetry because of all the references in "Slip Inside This House." Other songs like "She Lives" and "Postures" are filled with spiritualist imagery that doesn't involve so many ancient mystical references.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Monday, 7 August 2006 21:34 (nineteen years ago)

I get the feeling She Lives is about the goddess and Postures is about ritual. Sounds kind of experiential. I wonder if he was practicing or if he liked to read the stuff and then eat mushrooms and "experience" these religious ideas that way. Has Tommy Hall commented on his lyrics much? I'd love to read what he says.

Butt Dickus (Dick Butkus), Monday, 7 August 2006 21:50 (nineteen years ago)

He has done some interviews through the years. Don't know if any of them are on the internet.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Monday, 7 August 2006 22:06 (nineteen years ago)

this is a pretty weird interview:

http://web.wt.net/~duane/13thfloo.html

=[[ (eman), Monday, 7 August 2006 23:31 (nineteen years ago)

That movie is a serious trip through bummer town.

the eunuchs, Cassim and Mustafa, who guarded Abdur Ali's harem (orion), Tuesday, 8 August 2006 02:49 (nineteen years ago)

"I think most people think it's a bunch of spacey nonsense that really means nothing."

I never did. It means a lot to me. Not the literal meanings or the inspiration behind the words, but the sound of the words and the way they flow with the music. slip inside this house is EXTREMELY inspirational to me and completely riveting no matter how many times i hear it and i have about zero interest in majik or theology or mayan godz. actually, that's not true. mayan gods are pretty fucking cool.

scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 8 August 2006 03:15 (nineteen years ago)

The messianic LSD bit is certainly crepey but I think the spirit of the lyrics, particularly on Easter Everywhere, is really pure and transcends it.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Tuesday, 8 August 2006 03:22 (nineteen years ago)

Wow! Transcending the transcendental! No wonder the authorities thought they must be stopped! :-D.

Butt Dickus (Dick Butkus), Tuesday, 8 August 2006 10:29 (nineteen years ago)

Here's a cool bit of trivia while we're on the subject. You notice how Clementine Hall said in the above interview (http://web.wt.net/~duane/13thfloo.html) that there were a lot of meanings to the addition of 13th Floor such as that the 13th letter of the alphabet is M ...for Marijuana? Well, M is also the dead center of the alphabet and relates to the Hanged Man tarot card, which is like the card of Jesus or the enlightened man who sees things in the reverse of ordinary man, who has united the opposites and who hangs in the balance. The glyph M is also IVI. The V = 5 or the 5th tarot key, the Hierophant who sits between two pillars: IVI . The pillars on this card are not black and white but grey, symbolizing union of the opposites (spirit, matter) and the Hierophant itself refers to "interior hearing" from a higher source. The kneeling priests wear robes of red roses (desire) and white lillies (reason). The card refers to purified desire through reason, the union of the subconscious and self-conscious by a higher power, the superconscious.
http://z.about.com/d/paganwiccan/1/0/v/6/rider_hierophant.jpg

I'm quite sure they were aware of this, but I can understand why she wouldn't want to get into it during an interview.

Butt Dickus (Dick Butkus), Tuesday, 8 August 2006 10:43 (nineteen years ago)

i thought this part was crepey:

PS: It was one of those arcane symbols of which Tommy was so fond and so vague in explaining. Maybe it had something to do with Scientology. Tommy was very big on Scientology.

and the interviewer comes off like a jackass when asking about the individual songs:

AV: "Nobody To Love" is a Stacy Sutherland composition/vocal which seems to be a prelude to the songs he wrote for Bull of the Woods. Why didn't Roky sing this song and why wasn't another song (e.g., "Fire in My Bones" or "I Don't Ever Want to Come Down") used since Sutherland's song is atypical and not up to par with the other Elevator songs?

gah thats like my favorite song by them

=[[ (eman), Tuesday, 8 August 2006 11:52 (nineteen years ago)

If it is any consolation (and I'm sure it's not!), Scientology was supposedly a bit different back in the 60's. It got crazier and crazier, especially after Hubbard died. Fairly discriminating people were pretty into it for a while, like William Burroughs, for instance.

Butt Dickus (Dick Butkus), Tuesday, 8 August 2006 12:30 (nineteen years ago)

are they gonna put it out on DVD???

rizzx (Rizz), Tuesday, 8 August 2006 16:47 (nineteen years ago)

"nobody to love" is fucking amazing. what a jackass. i love how nothing can be good without roky - all respect due, of course, but they weren't a bunch of flailing cripples when he wasn't singing.

The glyph M is also IVI.

sometimes clouds look like stuff!

GOD PUNCH TO HAWKWIND (yournullfame), Tuesday, 8 August 2006 16:50 (nineteen years ago)

It's a great song and I think it fits on the album, but I'm sure part of what the guy was talking about was the fact that the other songs have Hall's lyrics (well, Clementine Hall, I think, on that one ballad, too).

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Tuesday, 8 August 2006 17:25 (nineteen years ago)

sometimes clouds look like stuff! True, but this is accurate. the 13th tarot key, Mem (M) Key 12, The Hanged Man, refers to the completion of changes symbolized/begun in Key 5. It's a tarotastical factoid. There are 13 steps leading to the Hangman's gallows, btw, and 13 knot's in the Hangman's noose for added coinkidink fun!

IPSISSIMUS (Uri Frendimein), Tuesday, 8 August 2006 18:05 (nineteen years ago)

Fairly discriminating people were pretty into it for a while, like William Burroughs, for instance.

does not compute

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Wednesday, 9 August 2006 04:09 (nineteen years ago)

Burroughs got fed up with it way before L. Ron died, in any case.

Marmot (marmotwolof), Wednesday, 9 August 2006 04:32 (nineteen years ago)

See? He was fairly discriminating!

Butt Dickus (Dick Butkus), Wednesday, 9 August 2006 10:20 (nineteen years ago)

True, but this is accurate. the 13th tarot key, Mem (M) Key 12, The Hanged Man, refers to the completion of changes symbolized/begun in Key 5. It's a tarotastical factoid. There are 13 steps leading to the Hangman's gallows, btw, and 13 knot's in the Hangman's noose for added coinkidink fun!

-- IPSISSIMUS (joh...) (webmail), August 8th, 2006 3:05 PM. (Uri Frendimein)

http://images.dmusic.com/v7/emoticons/zzz.gif

=[[ (eman), Wednesday, 9 August 2006 11:34 (nineteen years ago)

It may be boring, but it is accurate. Check out the very first sentence in the wikipedia entry for the hierophant:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Hierophant

Butt Dickus (Dick Butkus), Wednesday, 9 August 2006 11:50 (nineteen years ago)

Actually, technically I guess it's the second sentence (first sentence under "Description and Symbolism" though).

Butt Dickus (Dick Butkus), Wednesday, 9 August 2006 11:56 (nineteen years ago)

what part of http://images.dmusic.com/v7/emoticons/zzz.gif do you not get? is it the zZZ's?

=[[ (eman), Wednesday, 9 August 2006 12:03 (nineteen years ago)

Just sharing a little bit about the mystery of our favorite band, bud.

Butt Dickus (Dick Butkus), Wednesday, 9 August 2006 12:06 (nineteen years ago)

I get it. You are making a Gurdjieffian joke about the fact that you are asleep.

IPSISSIMUS (Uri Frendimein), Wednesday, 9 August 2006 15:12 (nineteen years ago)

nice lil interview piece there...
went and listened to 'Psychedelic Sounds' and 'Easter Everywhere' last night...
wish there was a remaster available (other than the 8 tracks, which sound WAY better than the Collectible versions, but still...)with a beefed up bass sound, it just gets lost in there.

edde (edde), Thursday, 10 August 2006 13:09 (nineteen years ago)

two years pass...

http://www.internationalartistsrecords.com/13th_sottem.html

10 disc box set. it looks like most of it is variations on already-released things, and they're kind of cagey about whether the "newly discovered sources" are the legit master tapes found in a vault recently.

i'm too tired to dig out my elevators stuff and compare tracklists, but the discs are:

headstone (the contact sessions) - looks like pre psychedelic sounds recordings?

live in texas - probably the usual live stuff because they're pretty unspecific.

psych sounds mono, easter everywhere mono, p.s. "alternative" stereo, easter everywhere "alternative" stereo, bull of the woods, all with bonus tracks.

live avalon ballroom

a love that's sound ("lost 3rd lp") - looks like bull of the woods with a few new/different tracks.

death in texas - live 1967/1973

i'm kind of interested in this. if the albums are from the master tapes and some of this stuff is actually new, or at least better quality, it'd be pretty great.

sexual civilian (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Sunday, 21 December 2008 15:45 (seventeen years ago)

buuut if the just pulled everything from 3rd repress vinyl copies like the charly reissues, fuck it.

sexual civilian (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Sunday, 21 December 2008 15:46 (seventeen years ago)

headstone (the contact sessions) - looks like pre psychedelic sounds recordings?

i wonder if that's spades stuff. which it would be cool to hear more of.

schlump, Sunday, 21 December 2008 17:23 (seventeen years ago)

there's some info on it here: http://www.finerecordingstudio.com/g45central/viewtopic.php?t=828&highlight=elevators

tapes are definitely involved

Merry Christuomas (electricsound), Sunday, 21 December 2008 23:00 (seventeen years ago)

Just wanted to put one thing straight Charly have had absolutely nothing to do with this box set apart from foot the bills. They own the rights and wanted to do this themselves but instead they let me (& Roky's manager take over, plus the band's blessing) approach it in a very Epicurean way... touch nothing unless it needed fixing. Charly have been brilliant, by not interfering...they just let me head to Texas and get on with it. The band's original engineer /producer, Walt Andrus was flown in from California to remaster and remix (where multi tracks existed) ....
Re: YGMM Take 6 and all the Contact material - it has been out before but it was tampered with. This time it's straight off the tapes, with Walt producing (and on occasion Roky)-so forget what you heard twenty years ago....

Merry Christuomas (electricsound), Sunday, 21 December 2008 23:01 (seventeen years ago)

dude @ record store was totally talking up these "bedroom demos" that were mostly covers of stuff like "teenager in love"

can anybody corroborate their greatness

moonship journey to baja, Sunday, 21 December 2008 23:02 (seventeen years ago)

and re: upthread, "slip inside this house" is about LSD, right?

moonship journey to baja, Sunday, 21 December 2008 23:03 (seventeen years ago)

i mean, duh

moonship journey to baja, Sunday, 21 December 2008 23:03 (seventeen years ago)

WAU at info from electricsound, this could be amazing.

sleeve, Monday, 22 December 2008 02:04 (seventeen years ago)

alright, well, here's hoping for a stimulus check next year heh

sexual civilian (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Monday, 22 December 2008 03:06 (seventeen years ago)

WAU 2

eman, Monday, 22 December 2008 03:15 (seventeen years ago)

only $110 US cause the pound is so weak right now!

you may wish to add quotes to that first word there...

sleeve, Saturday, 27 December 2008 23:30 (seventeen years ago)

five months pass...

Anybody take the plunge?

http://www.internationalartistsrecords.com/

loose lobsters (brownie), Thursday, 11 June 2009 13:56 (sixteen years ago)

Nom nom nom

Then in walked Barbara Castle with the Lady Eleanor (Tom D.), Thursday, 11 June 2009 13:58 (sixteen years ago)

I want this so bad

sleeve, Thursday, 11 June 2009 14:20 (sixteen years ago)

dude @ record store was totally talking up these "bedroom demos" that were mostly covers of stuff like "teenager in love"

can anybody corroborate their greatness

― moonship journey to baja, Monday, December 22, 2008 12:02 PM (5 months ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

I'm guessing he was talking about Don't Knock the Rok? I guess I'd say it's pretty great if you're a Roky diehard, a curiosity for more casual fans. I think it's a lotta fun though I tend to skip around a lot and usually just get jazzed to hear some of the other albums.

what u arrestin me for, innit (╓abies), Thursday, 11 June 2009 15:16 (sixteen years ago)

http://www.internationalartistsrecords.com/front-cover-visual.jpg

Shouldn't even think about this.

what u arrestin me for, innit (╓abies), Thursday, 11 June 2009 15:17 (sixteen years ago)

i want that so bad. i am so broke.

i'm too hardcore to be bourgeois (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Thursday, 11 June 2009 15:28 (sixteen years ago)

and now i can't fall back on "that'll never come out, this is all a scam."

i'm too hardcore to be bourgeois (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Thursday, 11 June 2009 15:31 (sixteen years ago)

sooooooooooooooooo, we are talking, like, 125 bucks, right? sheesh, not completely unthinkable, but, still...

good investment, though. definitely would just go up and up in price.

plus, it's very cool looking. if they had done vinyl i'd totally pay double that without even thinking twice.

scott seward, Thursday, 11 June 2009 16:16 (sixteen years ago)

I should try to act like an adult and not buy it.

Marco Damiani, Thursday, 11 June 2009 16:21 (sixteen years ago)

lower lip.........................trembling

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 11 June 2009 16:43 (sixteen years ago)

yeah this looks sweet ... i cannot buy it. i cannot!

tylerw, Thursday, 11 June 2009 16:46 (sixteen years ago)

yes you can!

Mr. Que, Thursday, 11 June 2009 16:47 (sixteen years ago)

http://shop.climb.org/images/Self%20Control%20Poster.jpg

tylerw, Thursday, 11 June 2009 16:49 (sixteen years ago)

STOP: OK
THINK: That is a sweet fucking box set
WHAT COULD HAPPEN: I could listen to it
IS THAT WHAT YOU WANT? Oh god yes

tylerw, Thursday, 11 June 2009 16:51 (sixteen years ago)

looks fucking awesome, let's buy it and share

admrl, Thursday, 11 June 2009 16:52 (sixteen years ago)

actually, scratch that

admrl, Thursday, 11 June 2009 16:52 (sixteen years ago)

we'll pass it around like the Stanley Cup

loose lobsters (brownie), Thursday, 11 June 2009 17:17 (sixteen years ago)

I dismissed this as a doomed-to-failure International Artists fuck up, but it seems as if it really is quite fantastic. Might have to get this...

http://www.jonsavage.com/psych/elevators-box/

Duke, Thursday, 11 June 2009 17:57 (sixteen years ago)

btw idk about yall but i've got levitatn

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 11 June 2009 19:14 (sixteen years ago)

I wonder, too, which "Follow the Leader" Scott meant. The nursery rhyme?

bamcquern, Friday, 12 June 2009 00:37 (sixteen years ago)

I've heard some of this and the sound is fucking AMAZING. It's really really tempting. I have that 3CD box on Charly with all the albums and lots of live stuff and it's largely a thin and frustrating listen, especially the live stuff. But the live tracks I heard from this box were blistering!

Dr.C, Friday, 12 June 2009 01:04 (sixteen years ago)

btw i listened to easter everywhere like 4 times today thx to this thread

<3 <3 <3

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 12 June 2009 01:18 (sixteen years ago)

"I wonder, too, which "Follow the Leader" Scott meant."


Verse One:

Follow me into a solo
Get in the flow - and you can picture like a photo
Music mixed mellow maintains to make
Melodies for MC's motivates the breaks
I'm everlastin, I can go on for days and days
With rhyme displays that engrave deep as X-rays
I can take a phrase that's rarely heard, FLIP IT
Now it's a daily word
I can get iller than 'Nam, a killin bomb
But no alarm - Rakim will remain calm
Self-esteem make me super superb and supreme
But for a microphone still I fiend
This was a tape I wasn't supposed to break
I was supposed to wait, but let's motivate
I want to see who can keep followin and swallowin
Takin the making, bitin it and borrowin
Brothers tried and others died to get the formula
But I'ma let ya sweat - you still ain't warm
You a step away from frozen, stiff as if ya posin
Dig into my brain as the rhyme gets chosen
So follow me and were ya thinkin' you were first?
Let's travel at magnificent speeds around the Universe
What could ya say as the Earth gets further and further away
Planets are small as balls of clay
Astray into the Milky Way - world's outasight
Far as the eye can see - not even a satellite
Now stop and turn around and look
As ya stare in the darkness, ya knowledge is took!
So keep starin soon ya suddenly see a star
You better follow it cause it's the R
This is a lesson if ya guessin and if ya borrowin
Hurry hurry step right up and keep followin
The Leader

Verse Two:

This is a lifetime mission, vision of prison
Aight listen
In this journey you're the journal I'm the journalist
Am I Eternal? Or an eternalist?
I'm about to flow long as I can possibly go
Keep ya movin cause the crowd said so
Dance - cuts rip ya pants
Eric B on the blades, bleedin to death - call the ambulance
Pull out my weapon and start to squeeze
A magnum as a microphone murderin' MC's
Let's quote a rhyme from a record I wrote
(follow the leader) Yeah - dope
Cause everytime I stop it seems ya stuck
Soon as ya try to step off ya self-destruct
I came to overcome before I'm gone
By showin and provin and lettin knowledge be born
Then after that I'll live forever - you disagree?
You say never? Then follow me!
From century to century you'll remember me
In history - not a mystery or a memory
God by nature, mind raised in Asia
Since you was tricked, I have to raise ya
From the cradle to the grave, but remember
You're not a slave
Cause we was put here to be much more than that
But we couldn't see it because our mind was trapped
But I'm here to break away the chains, take away the pains
Remake the brains, reveal my name
I guess nobody told you a little knowledge is dangerous
It can't be mixed, diluted; it can't be changed or switched
Here's a lesson if ya guessing and borrowing
Hurry hurry, step right up and keep following
The leader

Verse Three:

A furified freestyle, lyrics of fury
My third eye makes me shine like jewelry
You're just a rent-a-rapper, your rhymes are minute-maid
I'll be here when it fade to watch you flip like a renegade
I can't wait to break and eliminate
On every traitor or snake - so stay awake
and follow and follow, because the tempo's a trail
The stage is a cage, the mic is a third rail
I'm Rakim the Fiend of a Microphone
I'm not HIM, so leave my mic alone
Soon as the beat is felt, I'm ready to go
So fasten your seatbelt, cause I'm about to flow
No need to speed slow down to let the leader lead
Word to daddy, indeed!
The R's a rollin stone, so I'm rollin
Directions is told, then the rhymes are stolen
Stop buggin', a brother said, dig em, I never dug 'em
He couldn't follow the leader long enough so I drug 'em
into danger zone, he should arrange his own
Face it, it's basic, erase it, change ya tone
There's one R in the alphabet
It's a one-letter word and it's about to get
More complex from one rhyme to the next
Eric B be easy on the flex
I've been from state to state, followers tailgate
Keep comin but you came too late, but I'll wait
So back up, regroup, get a grip, come equipped
You're the next contestant - clap ya hands, you won a trip!
The price is right - don't make a deal too soon
How many notes could you name this tune?
Follow the Leader is the title, theme, task
Now ya know, you don't have to ask
Rap is Rhythm And Poetry, cuts create sound effects
You might catch up if you follow the records E. wrecks
Until then keep eatin and swallowin
You better take a deep breath and keep followin
The leader.

scott seward, Friday, 12 June 2009 01:39 (sixteen years ago)

sampler over here: http://psychedeliclion.blogspot.com/2009/05/13th-floor-elevators-sign-of-3-eyed-men.html

tylerw, Friday, 12 June 2009 02:00 (sixteen years ago)

Hooboy... This is the box set of the year as far as I'm concerned (sorry Neil)

Carroll Shelby Downard (Elvis Telecom), Tuesday, 16 June 2009 00:03 (sixteen years ago)

this looks great but they didn't have that many albums to warrant a 10 CD set. still this is awesome!

Bee OK, Tuesday, 16 June 2009 01:03 (sixteen years ago)

first taste of that sampler = woah
i bought that cheapo charly set when i heard them and was only interested enough for buying a bunch of the albums without artwork on cd for like eleven pounds to seem like a good idea. but hearing these sounding so 3d's rad.

the heart is a lonely hamster (schlump), Tuesday, 16 June 2009 01:20 (sixteen years ago)

The sound quality on these are AMAZING.

Carroll Shelby Downard (Elvis Telecom), Tuesday, 16 June 2009 01:57 (sixteen years ago)

just ordered this and i am totally psyched.

t0dd swiss, Tuesday, 16 June 2009 03:13 (sixteen years ago)

not sure to what extent an mp3 sampler will give me an idea of how much better the sound on this set is, but I'm giving it a try anyway, as I'm tempted by this. I have their albums on old Charly records vinyl pressings, which are by all accounts inferior.

Duke, Tuesday, 16 June 2009 18:47 (sixteen years ago)

where are folks ordering from?

sleeve, Tuesday, 16 June 2009 18:59 (sixteen years ago)

oh duh

AVAILABLE ONLY FROM
www.internationalartistsrecords.com

really, no other distro?

sleeve, Tuesday, 16 June 2009 19:01 (sixteen years ago)

The Bull of the Woods demos are amazing. The instrumentals towards the end of that disc (the A Love That's Sound one) are approaching Funkadelic, imo.

Trip Maker, Tuesday, 16 June 2009 19:02 (sixteen years ago)

Bad financial timing, damnit. This looks amazing.

Gerard (Le Bateau Ivre), Tuesday, 16 June 2009 20:51 (sixteen years ago)

well, even the mp3 sampler linked to by Tyler above (for which, thanks!) demonstrates that the sound quality on this release is a big improvement on the "original" Charly LPs or CDs. Much clearer, beefier, 3 dimensional sound.

Duke, Wednesday, 17 June 2009 20:38 (sixteen years ago)

yeah, all arguments against mp3 sound quality aside, the sampler already sounds waaaayyy better. which shouldn't be too surprising as the rumor was that the charly releases were taken from the second generation IA reissues, which were mastered from vinyl themselves.

liege & leafblower (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Thursday, 18 June 2009 01:20 (sixteen years ago)

Well, I caved in and ordered this. Arrived today. I've only dipped into it, so I've no definitive judgement, but what I've heard so far is simply wonderful.

My first instinct was to stick on the first two albums, both mono and stereo mixes (the mono mostly taken straight from vinyl pressings, the stereo from newly discovered tapes). I've owned these albums for about 20 years now (in the now-infamous shitty 3rd-hand Charly pressings) and would have claimed to know them very well indeed. But the improvement in sound in this set is palpable; it is immediately revelatory. The Elevators actually had a bass player! And a pretty cool drummer! Roky's lovely vocals on "Kingdom of Heaven"... I remember hearing "Psychedelic Sounds...." for the first time, and remarking immediately on its tinny-ness. Those silvery, slivers of sound embodied 60s psychedelia for me for quite a few years. It is therefore a minor shock to hear how robust, how meaty this band sounds here. They must have been a barnstorming live band.

Anyway, I realise this is not an inexpensive purchase (I hovered for quite some time over the "Buy Now" button). But if this band means a lot to you, as it does me, I can only urge you to really consider this one.

Duke, Friday, 26 June 2009 19:08 (sixteen years ago)

five months pass...

hey, alright, after a year of being almost broke all the time i finally get together some money and order the box set... and it's sold out!

and there's a copy on ebay for more than double the price!

fuck me!

her appendix were out (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Sunday, 29 November 2009 07:33 (sixteen years ago)

i guess what i'm saying is, are these ever going to come out as single cds?

her appendix were out (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Sunday, 29 November 2009 08:04 (sixteen years ago)

I think the remixes of the albums will become definitive for future reissues, and I'd be surprised if there isn't some kind of "Best of the rarities" compilation. The book is amazing, though - I'd keep looking for a good price on a second hand copy, or borrow one.

Soukesian, Sunday, 29 November 2009 14:28 (sixteen years ago)

man, that sucks.

sleeve, Sunday, 29 November 2009 16:41 (sixteen years ago)

Some info on forthcoming individual reissues is here:

http://www.foreverdoomed.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=14229

Super Not, Sunday, 29 November 2009 17:05 (sixteen years ago)

:(

Roky's playing here (nyc) new year's day, fyi.

ian, Sunday, 29 November 2009 17:08 (sixteen years ago)

bad news on your attempted purchase. it really is a great set: I'd continue to keep an eye out for it, if I were you.

Duke, Sunday, 29 November 2009 20:55 (sixteen years ago)

one year passes...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ajUz6Jx9KeU

am0n, Wednesday, 2 March 2011 21:48 (fifteen years ago)

hmm Spacemen 3 covered that

ice cr?m's world of female people (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 2 March 2011 21:53 (fifteen years ago)

Some info on forthcoming individual reissues is here:

http://www.foreverdoomed.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=14229

― Super Not, Sunday, November 29, 2009 9:05 AM (1 year ago) Bookmark

did these ever come out? that thread is almost uniformly negative about the reissue scheme.

sleeve, Wednesday, 2 March 2011 22:16 (fifteen years ago)

A Side to We Sell Soul is the original You're Gonna Miss Me and it burns just as brightly. No jug, though.

Trip Maker, Wednesday, 2 March 2011 22:46 (fifteen years ago)

did these ever come out? that thread is almost uniformly negative about the reissue scheme.

So far they've done a singles comp, Contact (early demos), Psychedelic Sounds and Easter Everywhere. The latter two with mono/stereo mixes and Easter has one bonus track (Fire in My Bones). They sounds pretty good, better than most of the earlier reissues. I believe the mono Psych Sounds is from vinyl, though.

Aquarian Necromancer Octopus (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Thursday, 3 March 2011 02:02 (fifteen years ago)

(x-post)

The individual reissues are gradually coming out.

So far they've done:

7th Heaven (all the mono single mixes)
Headstone (the early '66 sessions plus related odds & ends)
The Psychedelic Sonds of... (two discs-1 original mono, the other resequenced original stereo)
Easter Everywhere (two discs, original mono/stereo plus 1 bonus track)

An expanded Bull of The Woods is in the pipeline.

Your cousin, Marvin Cobain (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 3 March 2011 02:03 (fifteen years ago)

Yeah, the mono TPS is from vinyl, but it cleaned up really well. I think the same goes for the mono Easter.

Your cousin, Marvin Cobain (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 3 March 2011 02:05 (fifteen years ago)

It should also be mentioned that the Stereo mixes on the individual reissues are the OG ones from the 60s, WHICH ARE NOT ON THE BOX.

Your cousin, Marvin Cobain (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 3 March 2011 02:08 (fifteen years ago)

Yeah! And they do sound really, really good. Though tbh I kinda miss the dank sound of the old jewel case Charly Easter Everywhere sometimes.

These really just kinda slipped out, too, I had no idea they were coming out until I saw them in a shop one day.

Aquarian Necromancer Octopus (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Thursday, 3 March 2011 02:15 (fifteen years ago)

Yeah they are really under the radar. Easter Everywhere is still listed as forthcoming on the IA website. WTF?

Your cousin, Marvin Cobain (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 3 March 2011 02:24 (fifteen years ago)

Thanks guys! I guess I can start looking for them.

sleeve, Thursday, 3 March 2011 04:38 (fifteen years ago)

http://www.thetradersden.org/forums/showthread.php?t=89781
is Roky Erickson from 12/12/10 at the Luxor, Cologne. Not the complete show but Rockpalast apparently aren't going to broadcast the whole thing.

Apparently Roky wasn't in best shape that night which is why not all the set was broadcast. Bet it will be interesting watching anyway. I've read some disparaging comments about the outtake clips which have been upped to youtube.

Sign of the 3 Eyed Men was upped to Demonoid so you can get the music losslessly. Not the same thing as having the box set really. Very well done that was, nice book nice photo & poster reproductions.

Have been half thinking about picking up the lp 2cds for the stereo versions but so far haven't done so. & have therefore possibly missed Psychedelic Sounds. Box set has some alternative takes & mixes replacing tracks from the lp proper.

Stevolende, Thursday, 3 March 2011 10:23 (fifteen years ago)

one month passes...

Picked up the Bull of The Woods reissue, which dropped today (not that you'd know it from the IA website). Another splendid, clearer (albeit still authentically murky) remastering. Haven't dug into the A Love That's Sound half of the set yet, but on paper it looks a bit disappointing--mostly alternates and backing tracks, plus an unheard Sutherland original but no "I Don't Ever Want To Come Down", which I've read was intended for that album and IMO was easily as good as anything else they put out in the waning days of the band.

Handjobs for a sport (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 6 April 2011 01:12 (fourteen years ago)

Okay, I stand corrected: the "unheard Sutherland original" is "I Don't..." under a different title ("It's You"). Also on A Love That's Sound-a tasty 5 1/2 minute take of "Livin' On".

Handjobs for a sport (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 6 April 2011 17:03 (fourteen years ago)

Is that the 'get back' reissue or a new one that I wasn't aware of?

Roger Sánchez Broto (vain_bowers), Wednesday, 6 April 2011 17:05 (fourteen years ago)

Nah, it's a 2-cd (digi book) set from Charly under the reactivated "International Artists" banner. Limited run of 5000.

Handjobs for a sport (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 6 April 2011 17:11 (fourteen years ago)

The IA website claims 180 gram vinyl reissues of the three core Elevators albums are due in "late 2010/early 2011".

Handjobs for a sport (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 6 April 2011 17:16 (fourteen years ago)

six months pass...

I need some help. There was a contemporary to the original cover version of "You're Gonna Miss Me". It's not the Spades' version. It was a garage band from somewhere else in the country trying to outdo the Elevators for the hit. I can't for the life of me remember who were the performers of this cover. The recording has popped on some recent-ish garage comp.

Anyone?

The Man With The Flavored Toothpick (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, 24 October 2011 08:08 (fourteen years ago)

You might wanna run it through the ugly-things.com comp database. There are other versions, maybe other songs with the same title, but it might jog your memory?

As a dental student I of course have a scientific mind (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Monday, 24 October 2011 08:51 (fourteen years ago)

a new zealand garage band called tom thumb did a cover of it. it is on 'wild things: wyld kiwi garage 1966-1969'.

cb, Monday, 24 October 2011 09:10 (fourteen years ago)

Thanks to both of you--the version I was thinking of was by The Kinetics of Michigan, and the comp was Wyld Sydes #1.

The Man With The Flavored Toothpick (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, 24 October 2011 17:18 (fourteen years ago)

three years pass...

http://www.austinchronicle.com/daily/music/2015-02-12/13th-floor-elevators-to-reunite-at-levitation-festival/

Don A Henley And Get Over It (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 13 February 2015 20:03 (eleven years ago)

!!!!!

sleeve, Friday, 13 February 2015 20:17 (eleven years ago)

waaaaaaht

Οὖτις, Friday, 13 February 2015 20:20 (eleven years ago)

isn't tommy hall a paranoid racist misogynst crank/prick?

I dunno. (amateurist), Friday, 13 February 2015 21:13 (eleven years ago)

sure can play that jug though...
actually i'd be worried about a 70something dude trying to play a jug like that, he'll probably have a stroke!

tylerw, Friday, 13 February 2015 21:15 (eleven years ago)

but yeah, i mean, from what i've read he is a nutcase.

tylerw, Friday, 13 February 2015 21:20 (eleven years ago)

isn't tommy hall a paranoid racist misogynst crank/prick?

:(

he must be using marijuana in the wrong way

Οὖτις, Friday, 13 February 2015 21:21 (eleven years ago)

"that paranoid, racist, and misogynist kid / sure plays a mean electric jug"

it has a ring to it

some of erickson's friends blame hall for getting him into drugs, but given the scene at the time, if it hadn't been hall, it would have probably been someone else, no?

seriously this is pretty cool, and it's got to be one of the longest interregnums of a band ever. 45 years?

I dunno. (amateurist), Friday, 13 February 2015 21:21 (eleven years ago)

xpost

i think marijuana is the least of it

I dunno. (amateurist), Friday, 13 February 2015 21:22 (eleven years ago)

yeah he's been dosing for 50 years now! that has gotta do something to your consciousness. something bad probably.
wonder who will play guitar?

tylerw, Friday, 13 February 2015 21:24 (eleven years ago)

Roky? (As long as his amp is working).

They'll probably bring in a ringer. I'd nominate Can King from the Explosives, but the guys who've been backing Roky as of late would certainly do, particularly seeing as almost half of their current set is Elevators stuff.

Don A Henley And Get Over It (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 13 February 2015 21:45 (eleven years ago)

maybe it'll be trey anastasio

tylerw, Friday, 13 February 2015 21:50 (eleven years ago)

c'mon dudez you know the correct answer is Billy Gibbons

Οὖτις, Friday, 13 February 2015 21:53 (eleven years ago)

Didja ever see the Roky Austin City Limits ep? Roky, Cam King, Gibbons, and a guy on pedal steel!

Don A Henley And Get Over It (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 13 February 2015 22:22 (eleven years ago)

two months pass...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_pa1jJuBo9k

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 12 May 2015 16:14 (ten years ago)

sounds good. heard generally positive things from friends...

tylerw, Tuesday, 12 May 2015 16:20 (ten years ago)

Pre-Levitation interview w the notorious Tommy Hall: http://www.austinchronicle.com/music/2015-05-08/levitation-interviews-13th-floor-elevators/

dow, Tuesday, 12 May 2015 21:21 (ten years ago)

heh heh sound like he's still living the dream

tylerw, Tuesday, 12 May 2015 21:25 (ten years ago)

what the - he lives in the Tenderloin

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 12 May 2015 21:33 (ten years ago)

yeah there was some interview with him a few years back that described his apartment. not a pretty picture.

tylerw, Tuesday, 12 May 2015 21:34 (ten years ago)

http://www.sfweekly.com/sanfrancisco/a-long-strange-trip/Content?oid=2171421

tylerw, Tuesday, 12 May 2015 21:34 (ten years ago)

I'm just surprised by the fact that I have more likely than not seen him wandering the neighborhood

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 12 May 2015 21:35 (ten years ago)

look for the weird old dude with the jug

tylerw, Tuesday, 12 May 2015 21:44 (ten years ago)

crazy old racist dudes obsessed w bizarre cosmology/mathematics, you have no idea how many of those there are shambling around the Tenderloin

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 12 May 2015 21:55 (ten years ago)

haha yeah i bet

tylerw, Tuesday, 12 May 2015 22:02 (ten years ago)


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