Tried and tried and tried to get into their debut. Never clicked. Gave up.
― Dave Bush (davebush), Monday, 29 May 2006 01:14 (eighteen years ago)
― helix aspersa (Jody Beth Rosen), Monday, 29 May 2006 01:17 (eighteen years ago)
― Dave Bush (davebush), Monday, 29 May 2006 01:19 (eighteen years ago)
― chap who would dare to be a nerd, not a geek (chap), Monday, 29 May 2006 01:22 (eighteen years ago)
― Marmot (marmotwolof), Monday, 29 May 2006 01:24 (eighteen years ago)
― pleased to mitya (mitya), Monday, 29 May 2006 01:28 (eighteen years ago)
― Marcus Barr (Marcus Barr), Monday, 29 May 2006 01:52 (eighteen years ago)
― punis (punis), Monday, 29 May 2006 02:28 (eighteen years ago)
― The Jazz Guide to Penguins on Compact Disc (Rock Hardy), Monday, 29 May 2006 02:31 (eighteen years ago)
― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Monday, 29 May 2006 02:33 (eighteen years ago)
― Shoes say, yeah, no hands clap your good bra. (goodbra), Monday, 29 May 2006 02:42 (eighteen years ago)
― Neal Bessen (climate_ctrl), Monday, 29 May 2006 02:42 (eighteen years ago)
― Shoes say, yeah, no hands clap your good bra. (goodbra), Monday, 29 May 2006 02:51 (eighteen years ago)
― Marmotdeth (marmotwolof), Monday, 29 May 2006 02:55 (eighteen years ago)
― Abbadavid Berman (Hurting), Monday, 29 May 2006 02:56 (eighteen years ago)
― Abbadavid Berman (Hurting), Monday, 29 May 2006 02:57 (eighteen years ago)
― Jena (JenaP), Monday, 29 May 2006 02:59 (eighteen years ago)
― hector savage, Monday, 29 May 2006 03:59 (eighteen years ago)
― Jessie the Monster (scarymonsterrr), Monday, 29 May 2006 04:02 (eighteen years ago)
― Dr. Rodney's Original Savannah Band (R. J. Greene), Monday, 29 May 2006 04:23 (eighteen years ago)
Maybe it's just a consequence of my D.O.B., but their sound is too empty/spare for me, Ian Curtis's voice mostly bores me (except for that one moment in "She's Lost Control")...just never really did it for me.
Blasphemy (?) but, prefer the second-gen imitators.
― HooSteen, Monday, 29 May 2006 06:31 (eighteen years ago)
― Marmotdeth (marmotwolof), Monday, 29 May 2006 06:44 (eighteen years ago)
I had this sound in my head of what the "80s protogoth" sorta thing sounded like (because, in my head, Joy Division belong firmly in the 80s)...and I was disappointed that the actual band didn't correspond to the imagined sound. I had a similar disappointment with The Smiths, who I eventually came to like anyway.
The retro second-gen guys did a better job of approximating the sound in my head, which I guess is a consequence of their amalgamation of "80s" influences vs. the specific Influencing Band like Joy Division.
― Hoosteen, Monday, 29 May 2006 06:52 (eighteen years ago)
― gekoppel (Gekoppel), Monday, 29 May 2006 09:54 (eighteen years ago)
― coco the kid, Monday, 29 May 2006 10:19 (eighteen years ago)
― Marmotdeth (marmotwolof), Monday, 29 May 2006 10:21 (eighteen years ago)
― coco the kid, Monday, 29 May 2006 10:25 (eighteen years ago)
― Marmotdeth (marmotwolof), Monday, 29 May 2006 10:32 (eighteen years ago)
― m coleman (lovebug starski), Monday, 29 May 2006 10:35 (eighteen years ago)
― xhuxk, Monday, 29 May 2006 11:04 (eighteen years ago)
Partly the same goes for Stereophonics too.
― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Monday, 29 May 2006 11:23 (eighteen years ago)
― Jacob (Jacob), Monday, 29 May 2006 11:26 (eighteen years ago)
Also, I dont understand the heaping praise helped onto the VU.
― Viz (Viz), Monday, 29 May 2006 13:38 (eighteen years ago)
― hobart paving (hobart paving), Monday, 29 May 2006 13:40 (eighteen years ago)
I loved Suicide back then, but if they debuted now, I probably wouldn't care much. It's timing. My appreciation for them today is influenced by the excitement I felt hearing them for the first time at age 17.
― Dave Bush (davebush), Monday, 29 May 2006 14:13 (eighteen years ago)
― TAO (daggerlee), Monday, 29 May 2006 14:22 (eighteen years ago)
― scnnr drkly (scnnr drkly), Monday, 29 May 2006 14:27 (eighteen years ago)
I'm still trying, just read through that S/D thread the other day in search of recommendations.
― sleeve (sleeve), Monday, 29 May 2006 14:28 (eighteen years ago)
― confusion is ex, Monday, 29 May 2006 14:46 (eighteen years ago)
And just to be clear, I'm not dissing them in any way. I know they were both musical geniuses (is that the correct plural?), I just can't seem to get into them.
― shorty (shorty), Monday, 29 May 2006 15:00 (eighteen years ago)
― Abbadavid Berman (Hurting), Monday, 29 May 2006 15:26 (eighteen years ago)
― Jean Tully de Molinaire (Jean Tully de Molinaire), Monday, 29 May 2006 17:00 (eighteen years ago)
As re: Dave Brubeck, I have a longstanding grudge against dude.
Story is that Max Roach wrote & performed the first ever jazz tune in 5/4 ("As Long As You're Living") at a jazz festival in Detroit in 1959. Story is that Dave Brubeck's sidemen were at the festival and showed a high level of interest. Months later Brubeck drops "Take Five" and makes the cover of Time ala "OMG JAZZ IN 5/4! BRUBECK REVOLUTIONARY! GREATEST OF ALL TIME?!"
Is it sick that the grudge keeps me from digging on his music?
― Hoosteen (Hoosteen), Monday, 29 May 2006 17:28 (eighteen years ago)
As for Brubeck, I can totally understand how knowledge like that can affect one's outlook on the artist as a person, but I've come to a point in my life where unless that artist or performer is completely hateful I try my best to separate the person from the music.
I'm not always successful though :)
― shorty (shorty), Monday, 29 May 2006 18:19 (eighteen years ago)
― richardk (Richard K), Monday, 29 May 2006 19:17 (eighteen years ago)
― Heath Raymond (Heath Raymond), Monday, 29 May 2006 20:57 (eighteen years ago)
― eyesteel (eyesteel), Monday, 29 May 2006 21:37 (eighteen years ago)
― Abbadavid Berman (Hurting), Monday, 29 May 2006 21:40 (eighteen years ago)
― chaki (chaki), Monday, 29 May 2006 22:01 (eighteen years ago)
― some like it not, Monday, 29 May 2006 22:06 (eighteen years ago)
― kornrulez6969 (TCBeing), Monday, 29 May 2006 22:20 (eighteen years ago)
― Mike MIkey, Monday, 29 May 2006 22:25 (eighteen years ago)
― coco the kid, Monday, 29 May 2006 22:26 (eighteen years ago)
― mookieproof (mookieproof), Monday, 29 May 2006 22:27 (eighteen years ago)
― stufff, Monday, 29 May 2006 22:28 (eighteen years ago)
...
and Can.
― Hoosteen (Hoosteen), Monday, 29 May 2006 22:37 (eighteen years ago)
Big Star seconded as well - but I'm guessing if i keep occaissionly trying i'll get it. i love 'grand prix' by teenage fanclub who are supposed to be a BS rip off - but i don't hear it when i play big star
also - Sinatra...sure he can sing...but he doesn't sound like the best singer ever or anything
― grapple (grapple), Tuesday, 30 May 2006 00:10 (eighteen years ago)
also - Barry White
and the one person from the right now that I really don't get : Jay-Z but we've had that conversation here before
― grapple (grapple), Tuesday, 30 May 2006 00:11 (eighteen years ago)
― chap who would dare to be a nerd, not a geek (chap), Tuesday, 30 May 2006 00:43 (eighteen years ago)
is it his tone?
― yuengling participle (rotten03), Tuesday, 30 May 2006 01:44 (eighteen years ago)
And I know a guy with impeccable taste, breadth, and knowledge who can't get past Ferry's voice to dig on Roxy.
― rogermexico (rogermexico), Tuesday, 30 May 2006 01:47 (eighteen years ago)
― Period period period (Period period period), Tuesday, 30 May 2006 02:05 (eighteen years ago)
― killy ii (baby lenin pin), Tuesday, 30 May 2006 02:08 (eighteen years ago)
Re: The Smiths & Joy Division,I don't like them either, nor do I feel like I should!
― Chris Bee (Cee Bee), Tuesday, 30 May 2006 02:09 (eighteen years ago)
― J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Tuesday, 30 May 2006 04:06 (eighteen years ago)
I feel as though I should like the Magnetic Fields, because a lot of people whose taste in music I respect like them, but basically I find every aspect of their music to be absolutely inert and unconvincing. I've heard their earlier albums were better in that respect, but their best-known album leaves me so cold that I can't really find the motivation to check them out.
Repeat previous paragraph, only with "My Bloody Valentine" in place of "the Magnetic Fields".
― Pessimist (Pessimist), Tuesday, 30 May 2006 04:39 (eighteen years ago)
-RadioheadI actually sort of liked their debut but haven't listened to it in 10 years, everything else sounds dull and done much better by many others.
I do like 2/3 of the other bands on this thread.
― -rainbow bum- (-rainbow bum-), Tuesday, 30 May 2006 04:44 (eighteen years ago)
I'm wondering if all the Big Star haters have heard all three records? "Third/Sister Lovers" is my favorite but a lot of people pick "Radio City". "Implausible attempts at Manliness" is kind of a wtf comment to me, I've never gotten that impression from their music. If anything they're just vulnerable and adolescent sounding power pop. "Music for pussies" as Steve Albini would say.
― Marmotdeth (marmotwolof), Tuesday, 30 May 2006 04:48 (eighteen years ago)
That, and the production is so inescapably of that era. I mean, really. It reminds me of my dad.
― Pessimist (Pessimist), Tuesday, 30 May 2006 05:42 (eighteen years ago)
Your eyes are almost deadCant get out of bedAnd you cant sleep
Youre sitting down to dressAnd youre a messYou look in the mirror
You look in your eyesSay you realize
Everybody goesLeaving those who fall behindEverybody goesAs far as they can,They dont just care.
They stood on the stairsLaughing at your errorsYour mothers deadShe said, dont be afraid.
Your mothers deadYoure on your ownShes in her bed
Everybody goesLeaving those who fall behindEverybody goesAs far as they canThey dont just careYoure a wasted faceYoure a sad-eyed lieYoure a holocaust.
― Marmotdeth (marmotwolof), Tuesday, 30 May 2006 05:50 (eighteen years ago)
― Marmotdeth (marmotwolof), Tuesday, 30 May 2006 06:00 (eighteen years ago)
― polyphonic (polyphonic), Tuesday, 30 May 2006 06:06 (eighteen years ago)
― Marmotdeth (marmotwolof), Tuesday, 30 May 2006 06:12 (eighteen years ago)
― gem (trisk), Tuesday, 30 May 2006 09:08 (eighteen years ago)
I would add... The Clash. I just find them horribly self conscious.
― Treblekicker (treblekicker), Tuesday, 30 May 2006 09:11 (eighteen years ago)
― Marmotdeth (marmotwolof), Tuesday, 30 May 2006 09:12 (eighteen years ago)
― Mats Blomqvist (Blomqvist), Tuesday, 30 May 2006 09:24 (eighteen years ago)
I'd like to sheepishly add Led Zeppelin, (though I've recently begun a love affair with the oft-maligned "Fool in the Rain") because I never found them nearly as interesting as Sab, Blue Cheer or The Stooges, the three-pronged epitome of visceral rock music as fars as i am concerned.
Will also add Van Dyke Parks, Cream, Television, and Nirvana to the list.
― Lecherous Erick, Tuesday, 30 May 2006 09:24 (eighteen years ago)
― Marmotdeth (marmotwolof), Tuesday, 30 May 2006 09:34 (eighteen years ago)
― Treblekicker (treblekicker), Tuesday, 30 May 2006 09:38 (eighteen years ago)
― Marmotdeth (marmotwolof), Tuesday, 30 May 2006 09:42 (eighteen years ago)
― grapple (grapple), Tuesday, 30 May 2006 09:52 (eighteen years ago)
― FACEBRACE (FACEBRACE), Tuesday, 30 May 2006 11:17 (eighteen years ago)
― nerve pylon (flat_of_angles), Tuesday, 30 May 2006 13:38 (eighteen years ago)
― anonymous celebrity (anonymous celebrity), Tuesday, 30 May 2006 15:29 (eighteen years ago)
― Chris Bee (Cee Bee), Tuesday, 30 May 2006 16:35 (eighteen years ago)
― Mats Blomqvist (Blomqvist), Tuesday, 30 May 2006 16:40 (eighteen years ago)
― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 30 May 2006 16:44 (eighteen years ago)
― o. nate (onate), Tuesday, 30 May 2006 16:56 (eighteen years ago)
― Pete Scholtes (Pete Scholtes), Tuesday, 30 May 2006 17:07 (eighteen years ago)
Agree that JD get the "goth" tag hung on them unfairly, they're too austere + modernist to be goth. Oddly enough I brought up Lovecraft when JD were compared with Black Sabbath here: TS: Sex Pistols' "Never Mind the Bollocks" Vs. Black Flag's "Damaged"
― Edward III (edward iii), Tuesday, 30 May 2006 17:33 (eighteen years ago)
also i think one of the key disconnects here is that people are equating not getting something with not liking it. just cuz you get something doesn't mean you have to like it, and just cuz you don't like something doesn't mean you don't get it - i get the clash just fine, for example, but i still think they blow donkey balls.
― I am ready to kill myself and eat my dog (teenagequiet), Tuesday, 30 May 2006 17:45 (eighteen years ago)
took the words right outta my mouthI mean, other than the phrase "donkey balls"
― Chris Bee (Cee Bee), Tuesday, 30 May 2006 17:51 (eighteen years ago)
― Monty Von Byonga (Monty Von Byonga), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 00:32 (eighteen years ago)
― matt the queeg, Wednesday, 31 May 2006 00:39 (eighteen years ago)
― Josh Smart (smartypants), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 02:40 (eighteen years ago)
-- Neal Bessen (noise_o_ram...), May 29th, 2006 1:42 PM. (later)
I'm sorry about Bjork too. Is there anything we can do about her at this late stage?
-- Shoes say, yeah, no hands clap your good bra. (libcryp...), May 29th, 2006 1:51 PM. (later)
Yeah. Everyone tells me, when I play Nurse With Wound or whatever that I'd really like Bjork, but I don't. I think it's her voice. Urgh.
― S- (sgh), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 02:52 (eighteen years ago)
― rockaction (rockaction), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 17:01 (eighteen years ago)
― Chris Bee (Cee Bee), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 17:04 (eighteen years ago)
― JB Young (JB Young), Thursday, 1 June 2006 10:38 (eighteen years ago)
― Chewshabadoo (Chewshabadoo), Thursday, 1 June 2006 11:37 (eighteen years ago)
― mike t-diva (mike t-diva), Thursday, 1 June 2006 11:59 (eighteen years ago)
― Dan (For Realz) Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 1 June 2006 12:17 (eighteen years ago)
― white boi, Thursday, 1 June 2006 15:50 (eighteen years ago)
― js (honestengine), Thursday, 1 June 2006 18:13 (eighteen years ago)
― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Thursday, 1 June 2006 18:22 (eighteen years ago)
― Jam (1020am), Thursday, 1 June 2006 19:52 (eighteen years ago)
Haha, nice try Tim, and I'll take the Brooklyn Bridge too if you're selling! I've owned that one for a coupla years now, and have yet to give it a 4th listening. (But I remember finding "The BAnd Who Would Be King" fairly listenable back in '89.)
― MVB, Thursday, 1 June 2006 20:35 (eighteen years ago)
Nothing wrong about that. Besides, my favourite album is "#1 Album", which contains mainly beautifully melodic powerpop harmonies without any kind of "twist" whatsoever.
― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Thursday, 1 June 2006 20:39 (eighteen years ago)
― trees (treesessplode), Thursday, 1 June 2006 21:25 (eighteen years ago)
It's not that I actively dislike them, it's just that whenever I listen to them I'm left feeling that there must be something crucial about them that I'm just not getting. Something makes me keep persevering 'though.
Oh and My Bloody Valentine and the Jesus And Mary Chain.
I just don't get what's supposed to be so great about either of them at all and I don't think I ever will. Sorry.
― Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Thursday, 1 June 2006 22:09 (eighteen years ago)