For all the braggadocio, today's rapper sure is insecure (Oprah Vs. Hip-Hop: Round Three )

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From E! Online, courtesy of Yahoo:

It really is hard out there for a pimp.

That is, if by "pimp," they mean hip-hop star, and by "there," they mean Harpo studios.

Ice Cube is the latest rapper to step up the offensive against unlikely beef recipient Oprah Winfrey, crying foul over the talk show hostess' alleged refusal to book hip-hop acts on her influential chatfest.

The 'Are We There Yet?' star followed in the footsteps of fellow rappers turned critics Ludacris and 50 Cent, telling FHM magazine that Stedman's better half has unfairly kept the arbiters of thug life off her airwaves.

"I've been involved in three projects pitched to her, but I've never been asked to participate," the 36-year-old told the magazine in its July issue. "For Barbershop she had Cedric the Entertainer and Eve on, but I wasn't invited. Maybe she's got a problem with hip-hop.

"She's had damn rapists, child molesters and lying authors on her show. And if I'm not a rags-to-riches story for her, who is?"

Ice Cube's public denouncement of Winfrey—or at least her booking agents—is just the latest lashing out directed at the daytime queen.

In an interview with the AP last month, 50 Cent voiced complaints that the Tony-bound 52-year-old took issue with rappers and thus rarely invited them on her show.

"I think she caters to older white women," the "In Da Club" rapper said. "Oprah's audience is my audience's parents. So, I could care less about Oprah or her show."

Of course, that could be because disagreeing with the queen of suburban housewives only ups Fiddy's street cred.

"I'm actually better off having friction with her," he told the AP.

If that's the case, he was likely less than pleased to receive a recent endorsement from Winfrey, who made a surprise appearance on New York hip-hop radio station earlier this month to talk to DJ Ed Lover about her reported lack of support for rap acts.

"I listen to some hip-hop," the media queen said. "You know, I've been accused of not liking hip-hop, and that's just not true. I got a little 50 on my iPod. I really do. Love 'In Da Club'...Love that, and you know, love Jay-Z, love Kanye, love Mary J."

Reports of a biased brouhaha first picked up steam in April, when Ludacris, born Chris Bridges, spoke out to GQ magazine about his treatment on the show last fall, when he was promoting the Oscar-winning Crash.

"She edited out a lot of my comments while keeping her own in," he told the lad's mag. "Of course, it's her show, but we were doing a show on racial discrimination, and she gave me a hard time as a rapper when I came on there as an actor.

"I don't see why people like Chris Rock and Dave Chappelle, who I am huge fans of, it's OK for them to go on Oprah. They speak the same language as I do, but they do it through comedy, so I guess that's acceptable."

― nicky lo-fi (nicky lo-fi), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 05:21 (nineteen years ago)

In the good old days, you just do a rap about how fat her ass is. Now I gotta listen to rich whiney 'gangstas' because they can't get on Oprah? The shame!

― nicky lo-fi (nicky lo-fi), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 05:25 (nineteen years ago)

I hear ya nicky.

― grapple (grapple), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 06:12 (nineteen years ago)

"For Barbershop she had Cedric the Entertainer and Eve on, but I wasn't invited. Maybe she's got a problem with hip-hop."

LOGIC!

― Zwan (miccio), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 06:32 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.defamer.com/images/2006/05/oprah-auschwitz.jpg

― Marmotdeth (marmotwolof), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 06:35 (nineteen years ago)

50's quote was surprisingly reasonable. Actually same with Luda's. Both had valid points.

― Period period period (Period period period), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 11:38 (nineteen years ago)

"And as for fame you got enough to bust in Oprah's mouth"- AZ "Never Change"

― ramon fernandez (ramon fernandez), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 12:05 (nineteen years ago)

thats right im pro black

― and what (ooo), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 12:06 (nineteen years ago)

Luda: "she didn't just ask me to promote my new album, what kinda crazy hostile shit is that anyway"

― Thomas Tallis (Tommy), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 12:35 (nineteen years ago)

^^^ here comes crazy hater dude

― and what (ooo), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 12:38 (nineteen years ago)

he didn't want to promote his new album

― Zwan (miccio), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 12:43 (nineteen years ago)

I think a lot of what he's saying is whining (wish he'd tell us what pearls Oprah cut out), but at least mock the shit he actually said.

― Zwan (miccio), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 12:45 (nineteen years ago)

naw you guys all I meant was "she gave me a hard time as a rapper when I'm on there as an actor" is exactly the sort of head-fake that deserves to get mocked - has the guy never watched Oprah before? did he honestly think "I'll go promote Crash"? but whatever ethan, I know anything short of nutswinging counts as hating where MCs are concerned

― Thomas Tallis (Tommy), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 14:00 (nineteen years ago)

ethan to entire history of rhetoric: "you're either with us or against us"

― Thomas Tallis (Tommy), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 14:03 (nineteen years ago)

I think you've misused 'nutswinging'

― deej.. (deej..), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 14:06 (nineteen years ago)

I think Roget's now offers "follow-up question" as a synonym for "hating," so admittedly I'm way behind the times and defer to my man deej on the question of nutswings

― Thomas Tallis (Tommy), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 14:08 (nineteen years ago)

dont fuck wit no devil

― and what (ooo), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 14:39 (nineteen years ago)

thomas in twee bill o'reilly shockah

― j blount (papa la bas), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 14:41 (nineteen years ago)

did yall see that crazy oreilly thing about how schools arent gonna teach math now unless its GAY MATH

― and what (ooo), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 14:50 (nineteen years ago)

"8, 10, or 11?" will now appear prominently on first grade math tests

AND THERE WILL BE NO WRONG ANSWER

― bernard snow (sixteen sergeants), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 14:54 (nineteen years ago)

did yall see that crazy oreilly thing about how schools arent gonna teach math now unless its GAY MATH

yeah, and I thought: is he really serious? it's hard for me to believe he's serious, I know this is just me being naive but how can people who're able to form a sentence believe that shit

― Thomas Tallis (Tommy), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 14:58 (nineteen years ago)

now you know how me and trife react to yr posts sometimes!

― j blount (papa la bas), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 15:10 (nineteen years ago)

also since columbus wasnt gay nobody will be taught about columbus!! apparently this will hurt our children's abilities to compete in a global market with powerful homophobic nations like zimbabwe, saudi arabia, and vatican city

― and what (ooo), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 15:13 (nineteen years ago)

did he honestly think "I'll go promote Crash"?

Thomas, if I remember correctly, he was on in one big couch-long panel with every other big name from that movie -- Bullock, Dillon, surely Oprah's friend Newton -- so yeah, he probably did honestly think that. (If I remember correctly, though, the stuff about him as a rapper was actually brought up by Bullock, maybe? Or anyway supposedly their whole "issues addressed in Crash" discussion somehow came around in that direction, and someone, possibly Bullock, was all like "well how do you square that opinion with the content of your music?")

The most interesting thing about that story is 50's comfortable, open statement that his audience consists of middle-class white kids. (Far from a shocker, or anything, but I feel like I rarely see anyone in his position just casually assert it.)

― nabisco (nabisco), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 15:19 (nineteen years ago)

I keep waiting for Tallis to bust out with a defense of Oprah as wacky as that whole 'Stephin Merritt's attitudes toward rap can be explained away entirely by the fact that many rappers don't like gay people, despite the fact that Merritt never once brought it up' thing.

― Alex in Baltimore (Alex in Baltimore), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 15:20 (nineteen years ago)

every interview I've ever seen w/50 involves him talking about what's a smart marketing/career move for him. its the most boring shit ever.

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 15:28 (nineteen years ago)

why does 50 saying oprahs audience is his audiences parents mean white kids??

― and what (ooo), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 15:33 (nineteen years ago)

"I think she caters to older white women," the "In Da Club" rapper said."

― curmudgeon (DC Steve), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 15:39 (nineteen years ago)

Ice Cube is hardly an example of "rags to riches", as he claims. His parents were UCLA professors!

― punis (punis), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 16:14 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rls=RNWE,RNWE:2005-10,RNWE:en&q=ice+cube+parents+ucla

"GROSS: Did your parents work at UCLA? ICE CUBE: Yeah, they were custodians at UCLA, both my parents. And my father was a groundskeeper. ... "

― deej.. (deej..), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 16:30 (nineteen years ago)

This is like when everyone pretends Chuck D was middle-class affluent because he was from long island, right?

Chuck D lived in the queensbridge projects til he was 11.

― deej.. (deej..), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 16:32 (nineteen years ago)

PWND

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 16:32 (nineteen years ago)

countdown to someone mentioning Cube going to school at U of AZ....

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 16:42 (nineteen years ago)

ICE CUBE WENT TO U OF AZ, HOW "HARD" COULD HE BE???????

― Dan (Happy To Oblige) Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 16:44 (nineteen years ago)

U of Azz?

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 16:45 (nineteen years ago)

You're thinking of DJ Assault.

― Dan (Minor In Titties) Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 16:48 (nineteen years ago)

being poor =/ being smart shocker

I think a better one is
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ice_Cube
"He used to drive a Suzuki," how hard could he be?!

― deej.. (deej..), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 16:50 (nineteen years ago)

that should say 'being poor =/ being stupid shocker' but i am alas poor and stupid.

― deej.. (deej..), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 16:51 (nineteen years ago)

hahahahaha

― Dan (Awesome) Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 16:52 (nineteen years ago)

(According to wikipedia he went to the Phoenix Institute of Technology, not U of AZ, which I assume are diff schools?)

― deej.. (deej..), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 16:56 (nineteen years ago)

Directed music videos for Color Me Badd's "I Wanna Sex You Up"

― deej.. (deej..), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 17:06 (nineteen years ago)

HOW HARD CAN HE BE????

― Dan (Color Me Badd??????) Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 17:10 (nineteen years ago)

More grist for the rap in the 00s=rock in the early '70s connection.

But can we take a moment to talk about how bad this lead is?

It really is hard out there for a pimp.

That is, if by "pimp," they mean hip-hop star, and by "there," they mean Harpo studios.

Or maybe don't bother.

― Rick Massimo (Rick Massimo), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 17:24 (nineteen years ago)

It's hard out Harpo studios for a hip-hop star.

― Dan (Is This Even English?Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 17:28 (nineteen years ago)

horrible lead.

― s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 17:30 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.ecto-web.org/~spookcentral/cast_crew_peter_macnicol.jpg

― deej.. (deej..), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 17:34 (nineteen years ago)

(sorry confusin my Arizona schools obviously - hey at least I got the state right!)

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 17:40 (nineteen years ago)

i'm glad i read this thread cuz ethan reminded me of that showbiz and AG song...

― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 17:45 (nineteen years ago)

Ok, I was wrong. They weren't professors. Still, every account I could find suggested a middle-class upbringing. Both parents were gainfully employed at a respectable educational institution, and moreover they were still together. I'm not saying it was necessarily an ultra-cushy life, but frankly, I think Ice Cube has a habit of exaggerating his past in order to gain credibility. (The lyrics from "Straight Outta Compton" are a pretty good example of this.)

It might be true that there are plenty of poor people who go to college, but I think it's rare that a truly poverty-stricken gangster would go to college in 'mechanical drafting.'

― punis (punis), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 18:17 (nineteen years ago)

(According to wikipedia he went to the Phoenix Institute of Technology, not U of AZ, which I assume are diff schools?)

-- deej.. (clublonel...), May 31st, 2006.

http://servedby.advertising.com/site=0000710086/mnum=0000215788/genr=1/logs=0/mdtm=1119386834/bins=1/optn=1

― Jay Watts III (jaywatts), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 19:00 (nineteen years ago)

punis trust me the people who go my school for mechanical drafting are assuredly gangsta. curious about that 'still together' crack.

― j blount (papa la bas), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 19:17 (nineteen years ago)

But I have to admit one thing: the black ones seem funnier for some reason. The white ones mostly seem pathetic. The reason for this, I'm not sure.

-- punis (ad...), May 17th, 2006.

― and what (ooo), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 19:21 (nineteen years ago)

Both parents were gainfully employed at a respectable educational institution, and moreover they were still together.

hey furious styles sold real estate or something and look what happened to tre, he saw enough that hot summer to pen a dozen credible gangsta albums

― gear (gear), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 19:22 (nineteen years ago)

You guys are forgetting that Ice Cube used to drive a Suzuki.

― deej.. (deej..), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 19:31 (nineteen years ago)

Not that this necessarily has anything to do with Cube, but often mechanical drafting is what happens when someone's spent years winding up under-educated in college-prep subjects and instead steered into shop classes and trade programs ("he'll work with his hands"), right up until the day that they put him in front of AutoCAD in a drafting class and he's a whizz with the math and spatial organization of it and they realize that he's totally super-smart and has been all along. Sometimes mechanical drafting = "you have the talents and inclinations of an engineer or an architect, but not so much the resources or the college-prep background to head in that direction."

― nabisco (nabisco), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 19:47 (nineteen years ago)

Oprah puts misogynists on foot patrooooolll

― Zwan (miccio), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 20:58 (nineteen years ago)

Ice Cube: "Get Off My Dick And Tell Oprah To Come Here"

― Zwan (miccio), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 20:59 (nineteen years ago)

I was on an airplane or I'd've been happy to oblige! Nice mischaracterization of my position though asshole

― Thomas Tallis (Tommy), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 21:10 (nineteen years ago)

Ethan, I think you're getting a little obsessed. you've posted that quote in several messages now, to little effect, and with ambiguous purpose besides making what I assume is some kind of ineffectual ad hominem attack. I do not know what you seek by constantly creating perplexing and labyrinthine arguments about why certain people who you have never met are racists, but I will say that it does not reflect favorably on you. If you have a specific point, why not state it outright instead of being a third-rate, high-school level troll? Unfortunately, your piss-poor efforts at calling out racism on message boards doesn't make you look intelligent-- it makes you look like someone who is incapable of critical thought. I'm sure that you have convinced yourself that you are valiantly fighting a war against internet racism, and that you're the one pure being online who is completely free of racist tendencies, but it seems to me that your obsession with calling it out at every possible opportunity, bringing it into discussions in which it has no bearing, and making thinly veined accusations is more about venting aggression than building bridges. Besides, as much as you think you can, it's not easy to judge character over the internet, especially after reading a few isolated posts. Writing, especially in brief paragraphs on internet message boards, is by its very nature a reductive art. Thoughts are not easy to put into words. But this is a subtlety that you appear unaware of. Or perhaps you choose to ignore it because your goal is not in creating dialogue, but in manufacturing seething, hotheaded verbal spars. Could anything be more futile than scouring the internet for "problematic speech" and then attacking the writers of that speech? Why yes, there is one thing-- trying to "out" them as genuine racists by focusing with blind intensity on their off-the-cuff remarks. With your weirdly hostile personal attacks, I'm sure that you believe you are conducting some kind of worthwhile and meaningful activity-- like putting the evil racists who post positive comments about Pharcyde in their place-- but the fact remains that you have accomplished little besides making yourself look like an idiot.

― punis (punis), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 21:17 (nineteen years ago)

punis speak for yourself - I'm old enough to be Ethan's dad & was canvassing districts against racism when Ethan was wearing knee-pants, but I still thank him, not curse him, for calling me on my bullshit, because privileged people are given to spewing plenty bullshit and it's the job of clued-in privileged people (Ethan counts as one for the same reasons I do, race not class) to holler "bullshit" when they hear it

that said him & blount can both kiss my ass all night long on this thread

all night

'til I say stop or fall asleep

thank you

― Thomas Tallis (Tommy), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 21:22 (nineteen years ago)

FINIS

xpost ew

― Tracey Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 21:24 (nineteen years ago)

I'm old enough to be Ethan's dad & was canvassing districts against racism when Ethan was wearing knee-pants

is "knee pants" black people slang for shorts?

― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 21:24 (nineteen years ago)

Ha, Punis, he hasn't called you anything -- just repeated informed everyone of something that you yourself posted.

(And the thing that you posted was indeed interesting, at least to me.)

― nabisco (nabisco), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 21:25 (nineteen years ago)

no Matt it's an archaic term for shorts, if it's race-connected I'm unaware of it

― Thomas Tallis (Tommy), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 21:25 (nineteen years ago)

though a quick google suggests that it's not archaic at all and is just another way of saying "shorts"

― Thomas Tallis (Tommy), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 21:27 (nineteen years ago)

furman bisher uses that phrase, he finds it very difficult to take the nba seriously cuz you have grown men wearing knee-pants in it. pow - atl and race! 500 posts: GO!

― j blount (papa la bas), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 21:28 (nineteen years ago)

haha

― Thomas Tallis (Tommy), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 21:29 (nineteen years ago)

whether or not cube exaggerated his upbringing in his music (which could be called something akin to dramatic license) doesn't mean his music is any lesser for it. i'm gonna guess he didn't outright experience a trip to st. louis where he dealt drugs and gangbanged (in fact, i think one of da lench mob guys claims it was his real life experience) but all that says to me is that ice cube is a helluva storyteller and that's not a bad thing.

― gear (gear), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 21:29 (nineteen years ago)

i need to use more winky emoticons.

― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 21:30 (nineteen years ago)

wait, ice cube is "today's rapper"??!?

― hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 21:31 (nineteen years ago)

he's remaking 'mr. blandings builds his dream home' so apparently he's today's cary grant.

― j blount (papa la bas), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 21:35 (nineteen years ago)

i like that new "why we thugs" song okay!

― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 21:38 (nineteen years ago)

He's nearly 40 and a star of stage and screen, so I'd say he qualifies.

― deej.. (deej..), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 21:38 (nineteen years ago)

I don't criticize him for being anti-racist-- in fact, I sympathize with it-- but his methodology is bullshit, and in my book, doing the right thing in the wrong way is about as worthwhile as doing the wrong thing. It's that thin line that separates Gandhi's work from the IRA's.

― punis (punis), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 21:38 (nineteen years ago)

is it scott storch? sounds like it kinda...

― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 21:38 (nineteen years ago)

I donno M@tt its pretty bad. I want to like it though.

― deej.. (deej..), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 21:38 (nineteen years ago)

you guys are taking my post way too srsly.

but yeh, dude's been gone a while.

― hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 21:39 (nineteen years ago)

"I think she caters to older white women," the "In Da Club" rapper ***WHO APPEARED ON "THE VIEW," FOR CHRISSAKES!!!!*** said."

― Martin Van Buren (Martin Van Buren), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 21:41 (nineteen years ago)

oprahsnowmantee.jpg

― deej.. (deej..), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 21:42 (nineteen years ago)

Punis, he hasn't called you anything -- just repeated informed everyone of something that you yourself posted.

Do you honestly think that him posting that all over is not some veiled accusation or a method of trying to discredit me? I could easily cast aspersions every person on this board by posting a single phrase they used sometime in the past (either in or out of context). It is meaningless and needlessly inflammatory.

― punis (punis), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 21:42 (nineteen years ago)

also people should acknowledge the middle age hip hop niche. isn't that how ll cool j's even existed for the past 8, maybe 10 years?

― hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 21:43 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, ethan really is like the IRA. Remember the great "cut-and-pasting" of 1975? Good lord.

― Jessie the Monster (scarymonsterrr), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 21:44 (nineteen years ago)

"So, I could care less about Oprah or her show."

I really like the phase "I COULD care less". Ranks right up there with the non-word "irregardless".

― hyde park records (colonel), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 21:46 (nineteen years ago)

I like that phrase because it inadvertantly reveals that the speaker in fact DOES care.

― Jessie the Monster (scarymonsterrr), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 21:47 (nineteen years ago)

that it does not reflect favorably on you.

― 66666 (pds37), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 21:48 (nineteen years ago)

i think ethan being wrongly accused here

― gear (gear), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 21:48 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.cinefeel.net/img/photos/144/144_1725.jpg

L-R: thomas, ethan

― gear (gear), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 21:48 (nineteen years ago)

(Always thought "I could care less" was meant to be a sarcastic comment?)

― Sundar (sundar), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 21:50 (nineteen years ago)

L-R: thomas, ethan

― j blount (papa la bas), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 21:51 (nineteen years ago)

I think it's just more misuse of the language.

― hyde park records (colonel), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 21:51 (nineteen years ago)

Of all the boring semantic arguments on ILM, I think this one may take the cake.

― Zwan (miccio), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 21:51 (nineteen years ago)

I'm not comparing Ethan to the IRA, I'm saying that your approach to solving a problem-- no matter how right your intentions-- makes a monumental difference in the outcome.

― punis (punis), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 21:51 (nineteen years ago)

I think if you're in the public spotlight and a role model to thousands of people YOU MIGHT WANT TO MAKE SENSE.

― hyde park records (colonel), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 21:54 (nineteen years ago)

Yes, Punis, it is indeed his attempt to discredit you. And to be honest, the first time I read one of your posts and then saw him repost that particular line of yours, it did indeed offer me a context and a sense of who you are that strongly affected the way I've read your posts since then. It's not very nice of him, I suppose, but it's been helpful. I've only seen him do it twice, though.

I'd actually be really interested to hear you expand on the post he's pasting around -- the full version, not just the part above. Do you think you have a sense of what it is that he finds so interesting about it?

― nabisco (nabisco), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 21:56 (nineteen years ago)

no its true guys im in the IRA

punis you introduced yourself to the board by going on a big 500 post thread & calling out everybody in it for being fat pasty dorks wiping doritos crumbs off their keyboards & patting themselves on the back about racism, i could give a fuck if you think im creating a 'hostile enviroment' for you

― and what (ooo), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 21:58 (nineteen years ago)

"So, I could care less about Oprah or her show. But allow me to complain about it anyway cuz I'm HARDCORE BITCH"

― musically (musically), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 22:00 (nineteen years ago)

for the record-

not to get off on a tangent here, but there any actual black people on ilm or is everyone, as i suspect, grossly overweight white guys whose lives revolve around making unceasing pop culture references in between having reductionist arguments and scarfing handfuls of cheetos and mashing their stubby fingers against their powdered-cheese encrusted keyboards, all the while championing their enlightened and sophisticated attitudes towards all genres of music (excluding world music, fuck that shit), including top 40 and hiphop, the latter of which is so far removed from their sphere of existence that if a real black man even approached them, they'd be paralyzed in fear and most likely shit their pants?

-- punis (ad...)

― and what (ooo), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 22:02 (nineteen years ago)

-- punis (ad...), May 11th, 2006.

xpost!

― gear (gear), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 22:03 (nineteen years ago)

if a real black man even approached them, they'd be paralyzed in fear and most likely shit their pants?

― and what (ooo), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 22:04 (nineteen years ago)

I liked the first one better, Ethan -- I have to run home and hope I don't miss Punis kind of expanding on it.

― nabisco (nabisco), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 22:05 (nineteen years ago)

― j blount (papa la bas), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 22:06 (nineteen years ago)

aite nitsuh try not to run into any black men & ruin your new jeans

― and what (ooo), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 22:11 (nineteen years ago)

I donno M@tt its pretty bad. I want to like it though.

haha yeah you might be right...i think i like the idea of liking the new ice cube song too....and this one at least seems like he was kinda trying to make a good song.

― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 22:11 (nineteen years ago)

Oprah Winfrey doesn't like rap? She must be a rasc... Oh wait....

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 22:13 (nineteen years ago)

No, she's definitely a rascal.

― Dan (Try Harder, Geir) Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 22:15 (nineteen years ago)

i shit my pants for no man.

― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 22:17 (nineteen years ago)

oprahsnowmantee.jpg

drake, i originally read this as "oprah's now a manatee."

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 22:18 (nineteen years ago)

i shit my pants for no man.

LADIES LOOK OUT

― Dan (Eau Du Merde) Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 22:19 (nineteen years ago)

look out black men, punis isnt scared of you!

― and what (ooo), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 22:19 (nineteen years ago)

oprah's a rascal?

― gear (gear), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 22:20 (nineteen years ago)

She's just a rascal.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 22:21 (nineteen years ago)

Here she is at the Legends Ball:

http://victorjr.users.superford.org/roundrockcomputer/aol/buckwheat.jpg

― Dan (Going To Hell) Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 22:21 (nineteen years ago)

when niggaz approach you and you're a punk bitch or whatever just pretend yr blind, and they'll ask you if you want to buy drugs instead of assaulting you but me i just carry a 38 & as for oprah she's not really a drama queen so what

― 2222 (pds37), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 22:22 (nineteen years ago)

^^^ this is some gay midwestern kid who stalks me

― and what (ooo), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 22:25 (nineteen years ago)

Hey that wasnt me.
oh wait lol

― deej.. (deej..), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 22:26 (nineteen years ago)

"I got a little 50 on my iPod. I really do. Love 'In Da Club'...Love that, and you know, love Jay-Z, love Kanye, love Mary J." = "some of my best friends are black"

― Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 22:26 (nineteen years ago)

Okay I think Forks has just taken the title for Most Retarded Post On A Stupid Oprah Thread away from punis in one fell swoop.

― Dan (BOGGLE) Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 22:29 (nineteen years ago)

i boggle my pants for no man.

― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 22:33 (nineteen years ago)

IM NOT GAY

― 2222 (pds37), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 22:36 (nineteen years ago)

too late, turdburgler!

― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 22:37 (nineteen years ago)

dude you used to send me emails about giving handjobs to other guys

― and what (ooo), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 22:38 (nineteen years ago)

That does seem kind of gay.

― Dan (You Gotta Admit) Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 22:39 (nineteen years ago)

see!!

― and what (ooo), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 22:43 (nineteen years ago)

you like to play boggle, Dan?

C'mon, you really think Oprah qualifies as a hip hop fan by dint of having 'In Da Club' on her iPod?

― Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 22:47 (nineteen years ago)

I guess if there were one word that really zeros in on my problem with this whole argument-- indeed of almost every big racial argument on this board-- it would be "reductionist." Certain people here actually think they are having real, meaningful dialogue with these soundbites. As if these tossed-off phrases fully encompass the complex thoughts that other people have. The reality is that very little of what is written on these boards is what I would consider well thought out. To think that when someone writes something, that it clearly defines their thoughts is completely ridiculous. It's a totally arrogant, myopic, and reductionist way of seeing things, especially when we are confronted daily with hundreds of unresolvable philosophical paradoxes that basically define our individual personality quirks. If anyone here really thinks that the bullshit arguments that go on in threads like this is genuine intellectual discourse that establishes anything besides giving certain people ego boosts every now and then, then I imagine these are the same people who political advertisements are directed towards and succeed on. I choose not to operate in this silly plane, and you can take whatever phrase I've ever used in the past to "prove" to me that I don't actually feel this way. All I can say is that you don't know me aside from a few posts. If you think that is all you need to know someone or understand them as a person, then all I can say is that you need to step back from the computer and interact with the real world every now and then.

― punis (punis), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 22:48 (nineteen years ago)

well, duh.

― Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 22:48 (nineteen years ago)

You forgot to mention 'everything is relative.'

― deej.. (deej..), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 22:50 (nineteen years ago)

And punis snatches back the title with a vengeance!

― Dan (Hahahahaha) Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 22:50 (nineteen years ago)

Play nice, mister parenthetical aside.

― Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 22:51 (nineteen years ago)

"punis snatches"

That sounds dirty.

― John Justen, the archetypal shit head generation (johnjusten), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 22:52 (nineteen years ago)

C'mon, you really think Oprah qualifies as a hip hop fan by dint of having 'In Da Club' on her iPod?

I think that making a "some of my best friends are black" analogy with respect to Oprah Winfrey is fucking stupid.

― Dan (You Asked) Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 22:56 (nineteen years ago)

some of my best friends GET NEW CARS

― j blount (papa la bas), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 22:58 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.cnn.com/SHOWBIZ/Movies/9903/31/matrix/keanu.reeves.jpg
"To think that when someone writes something, that it clearly defines their thoughts is completely ridiculous. It's a totally arrogant, myopic, and reductionist way of seeing things, especially when we are confronted daily with hundreds of unresolvable philosophical paradoxes that basically define our individual personality quirks."

― and what (ooo), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 22:58 (nineteen years ago)

I think that making a "some of my best friends are black" analogy with respect to Oprah Winfrey is fucking stupid.

-- Dan (You Asked) Perry (djperry@gmail.com), May 31st, 2006. (Dan Perry) (later)

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/3433375.stm

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 23:00 (nineteen years ago)

haha forx does dom send you emails about handjobs too?

― j blount (papa la bas), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 23:02 (nineteen years ago)

Stand-ups such as Billy Crystal, who has ventured into the lion's den of mainstream Hollywood several times as a host of the Oscars, use irony as a staple of their act.

― and what (ooo), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 23:02 (nineteen years ago)

xpost lolll

― and what (ooo), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 23:02 (nineteen years ago)

TS:

is everyone, as i suspect, grossly overweight white guys whose lives revolve around making unceasing pop culture references in between having reductionist arguments and scarfing handfuls of cheetos and mashing their stubby fingers against their powdered-cheese encrusted keyboards

vs.

I choose not to operate in this silly plane, and you can take whatever phrase I've ever used in the past to "prove" to me that I don't actually feel this way. All I can say is that you don't know me aside from a few posts. If you think that is all you need to know someone or understand them as a person, then all I can say is that you need to step back from the computer and interact with the real world every now and then.

― gear (gear), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 23:03 (nineteen years ago)

Main Entry: iro·ny
Pronunciation: 'I-r&-nE also 'I(-&)r-nE
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural -nies
Etymology: Latin ironia, from Greek eirOnia, from eirOn dissembler
1 : a pretense of ignorance and of willingness to learn from another assumed in order to make the other's false conceptions conspicuous by adroit questioning -- called also Socratic irony
2 a : the use of words to express something other than and especially the opposite of the literal meaning b : a usually humorous or sardonic literary style or form characterized by irony c : an ironic expression or utterance
3 a (1) : incongruity between the actual result of a sequence of events and the normal or expected result (2) : an event or result marked by such incongruity b : incongruity between a situation developed in a drama and the accompanying words or actions that is understood by the audience but not by the characters in the play -- called also dramatic irony, tragic irony

― Dan (Yes, We Are At That Portion Of The Thread) Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 23:04 (nineteen years ago)

(IOW, saying something stupid != irony.)

― Dan (HTH, Dom!) Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 23:04 (nineteen years ago)

http://dimitris.glezos.com/weblog/box/extreme_ironing3.jpg

― gear (gear), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 23:06 (nineteen years ago)

high fives all around!

― oops (Oops), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 23:08 (nineteen years ago)

Fuck off, ~~punis~~oops.

― Dan (Predictable) Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 23:09 (nineteen years ago)

Incongruity between using standard mocking trope that occurs in these threads ("Some of my best friends etc etc" being a get out clause for white people with questionable racial motives) but applying it to Oprah (a popular black American television personality, not white). Reading comp can be fun!

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 23:11 (nineteen years ago)

Somebody should ask Bill Clinton if he still wants to have a national conversation about race.

― Fluffy Bear (Fluffy Bear Hearts Rainbows), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 23:12 (nineteen years ago)

If Oprah would just give ho wranglers the respect they deserve, this thread wouldn't have to exist.

― Zwan (miccio), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 23:14 (nineteen years ago)

"incongruity" != "irony" Dom but that was a nice try.

― Dan (Red Star For Effort) Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 23:15 (nineteen years ago)

"incongruity" != "irony"

It's lucky I never said that then. Incongruity as a linguistic ploy can lead to moments of irony though. How about you don't try and teach me about the English language, and I don't try and teach you about choir stuff?

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 23:17 (nineteen years ago)

Now can we get off semantics and get back onto the safer less contentious grounds of race?

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 23:18 (nineteen years ago)

CAPTAIN SAVE-A-HOPRAH

― Q('.'Q) (eman), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 23:18 (nineteen years ago)

All [Oprah's] friends are black is like a free ride but you've all ready paid.

― Fluffy Bear (Fluffy Bear Hearts Rainbows), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 23:18 (nineteen years ago)

For all the braggadocio, today's ILXor is insecure

― Zwan (miccio), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 23:22 (nineteen years ago)

How about you don't try and teach me about the English language, and I don't try and teach you about choir stuff?

-- Dom Passantino (juror...), May 31st, 2006.

We're not talking about your precious "English" language here, buddy. We're speaking in American.

HOW DO I SHOT SENTENCE CONSTRUCTION?

― John Justen, the archetypal shit head generation (johnjusten), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 23:24 (nineteen years ago)

CAPTAIN SAVE-A-HOPRAH
-- Q('.'Q) (ï¿½@ï¿½), May 31st, 2006 7:18 PM. (eman) (link)

― Fluffy Bear (Fluffy Bear Hearts Rainbows), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 23:26 (nineteen years ago)

ahhhhhha

― shhhhhh (pds37), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 23:26 (nineteen years ago)

I really hope we can keep this thread at the top of ILM until punis announces that he is QUITTING ILX FOREVER SERIOUSLY GUYS.

― Jessie the Monster (scarymonsterrr), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 23:32 (nineteen years ago)

yeah! he's a peepee head!

― oops (Oops), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 23:34 (nineteen years ago)

Well, I'm glad somone has stepped up and seized the mantle of Den Mother for this thread.

― John Justen, the archetypal shit head generation (johnjusten), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 23:44 (nineteen years ago)

Well, Oprah Winfrey is black. Of course that doesn't neccessarily mean she has anything in common with the typical hip-hop audiences (I mean, even Condoleeza Rice is black, at least on the surface).

But still, it would be better if people could realize that this entire debate about hip-hop is, with a few exceptions, not about rascism.

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 23:48 (nineteen years ago)

oh good, Geir and Oops are here.

― Q('.'Q) (eman), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 23:51 (nineteen years ago)

yes let's all go on and on about them and punis and how they ruin threads! that'll right the ship.

― oops (Oops), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 23:54 (nineteen years ago)

is this about Oprah? take her, dude.

― Q('.'Q) (eman), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 23:58 (nineteen years ago)

Well, Oprah Winfrey is black. Of course that doesn't neccessarily mean she has anything in common with the typical hip-hop audiences (I mean, even Condoleeza Rice is black, at least on the surface).

http://www.fotosearch.com/comp/ISI/ISI105/ChiPl008.JPG

― Q('.'Q) (eman), Thursday, 1 June 2006 00:03 (nineteen years ago)

and with one post, all the inherent potential of the internet is realized.

― oops (Oops), Thursday, 1 June 2006 00:04 (nineteen years ago)

I could go for some cheetohs.

― js (honestengine), Thursday, 1 June 2006 00:06 (nineteen years ago)

Well, some people here have the idea that whoever doesn't like rap is a rascist (well, as a matter of fact, whoever likes recent guitar based music made by white guys is too), and they are deeply upset when someone suggests that music does, indeed, have nothing to do with race.

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Thursday, 1 June 2006 00:07 (nineteen years ago)

li'l rascist

― Q('.'Q) (eman), Thursday, 1 June 2006 00:10 (nineteen years ago)

http://dfriedman.typepad.com/dave_friedmans_blog/2005/02/rascist.html

― Marmotdeth (marmotwolof), Thursday, 1 June 2006 00:21 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.lincolnpetition.friendpages.com/photos/06/1331506.main.jpg

― Marmotdeth (marmotwolof), Thursday, 1 June 2006 00:34 (nineteen years ago)

HEY OOPS
http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b249/stfuweb2/1143006997279.jpg

― and what (ooo), Thursday, 1 June 2006 01:08 (nineteen years ago)

yaaaaay!

http://static.flickr.com/51/157602690_d5de32bf5e.jpg

fite!

― Jessie the Monster (scarymonsterrr), Thursday, 1 June 2006 01:23 (nineteen years ago)

http://cmdrtaco.net/rants/images/gamera.jpg

― Marmotdeth (marmotwolof), Thursday, 1 June 2006 01:31 (nineteen years ago)

Debacle!

Dan, the point of prior post was that Oprah is NOT a hip hop fan by virtue of liking 50 cent and Kanye; she's just someone who occasionally hears and enjoys pop music. For someone to say, 'I like hip hop; why, I even have 50 Cent on my ipod" strikes me as not entirely unlike in spirit to 'I'm not racist; some of my best friends are black'. Its unnecessarily explanatory nature is revealingly ignorant.

Also, in Oprah's case, it's especially weird cuz who really thought that oprah was bumping NWA anyway? Besides which, other than Cube, who the fuck cares if Oprah digs hip hop? She's OPRAH.

I'm assuming that you read that as some sort of Geiresque point (made horribly real just minutes later) that Oprah has black friends, is black and thus must like hip hop? Or are you just offended by the use of the phrase "I have black friends"? Or only when it's applied to black people? Or something? I'm not sure what your bone to pick is.

― Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Thursday, 1 June 2006 02:27 (nineteen years ago)

Also:

For all the braggadocio, today's ILXor is insecure

Ding ding ding

― Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Thursday, 1 June 2006 02:28 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.infidelguy.com/members/pr126/diggin1.jpg

― deej.. (deej..), Thursday, 1 June 2006 02:50 (nineteen years ago)

Wait wait wait. I thought dude was being ironic. Or at least incongruous as a ploy to lead to a moment of irony.

So your comment had nothing to do with race. It was just a comparisson of like rhetorical structures. How emberassing it must have been to learn thet Oprah is black, and that people were mistaking your clever satire of faux fandom for half-baked snark.

― Fluffy Bear Is Like Rain On Your Wedding Day (Fluffy Bear Hearts Rainbows), Thursday, 1 June 2006 02:54 (nineteen years ago)

I understood completely the point you were making. The point I was making was that using that particular phrase to make it was stupid because of the complete, abject failure of the extended analogy; because Oprah is black and primarily has black friends, it completely dilutes the analogy. It's akin to attempting to make the same comment about Charlton Heston by comparing him to the statement "some of my best friends are gun nuts". Also Geir made precisely the same point using the same type of joke several posts earlier that was much funnier because of the inadvertant typo.

― Dan (For Fuck's Sake) Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 1 June 2006 03:01 (nineteen years ago)

that was much funnier because of the inadvertant typo.

b-b-but he always makes that typo.

― Marmotdeth (marmotwolof), Thursday, 1 June 2006 03:10 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.garden-water-fountains.com/manneken_pis_boy_peeing_urinating_outdoor_garden_water_fountain_pond_med.jpg

― timmy tannin (pompous), Thursday, 1 June 2006 03:32 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.movieboulevard.co.uk/AutoG/Charlton%20Heston%201%20L.jpg

― Marmotdeth (marmotwolof), Thursday, 1 June 2006 03:38 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.medaloffreedom.com/CharltonHestonMedal.jpg

― Marmotdeth (marmotwolof), Thursday, 1 June 2006 03:40 (nineteen years ago)

Sigh: The "failure" of the extended analogy is intended, as the humor, such as it is, derives from the absurdity of conflating the quasi-racist "I have black friends" fallacy with Oprah's ill considered statement, rather than in the coining of some sort of epigram. Half-baked snark seems about right; yer response seemed a tetch prickly.

The "Oprah primarily has black friends" being taken seriously is a red herring that never occurred to me. But good vigilance on your part!

I missed Geir's "rasc" comment as I was posting at the time.

I'd be curious what Heston's statement would be to finish the "some of my best friends are gun nuts" : "some of my best friends are black people" analogy as I really can't figure out what it would be.

Otherwise, are we done here?

― Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Thursday, 1 June 2006 03:41 (nineteen years ago)

NO. KEEP GOING.

― John Justen, Penis-melting Zionist robot combs (johnjusten), Thursday, 1 June 2006 05:26 (nineteen years ago)

500 POSTS.
http://www.archives.gov/publications/prologue/2004/winter/images/we-can-do-it.jpg

― Jessie the Monster (scarymonsterrr), Thursday, 1 June 2006 13:03 (nineteen years ago)

i just want to lol at Geir's 'Condi's black...ON THE SURFACE' remark

― Konal 'Inside every white man is a black man just trying to break out'Doddz (blu, Thursday, 1 June 2006 13:12 (nineteen years ago)

Quick, someone cross-section Condi.

― nabisco (nabisco), Thursday, 1 June 2006 14:14 (nineteen years ago)

A case where vivisection might actually benefit society.

― Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Thursday, 1 June 2006 15:19 (nineteen years ago)

HOLD THE PHONE
Is Ice Cube really remaking Mr. Blandings?

― Huk-L (Huk-L), Thursday, 1 June 2006 15:27 (nineteen years ago)

YES! they're reimagineering it as a sequel to 'are we there yet?'.

― j blount (papa la bas), Thursday, 1 June 2006 15:31 (nineteen years ago)

Is it true that he's doing Welcome Back Kotter in the Gabe Kaplan role or was that an ILX hoax that I fell for?

― Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Thursday, 1 June 2006 15:35 (nineteen years ago)

I'm pretty sure he's producing it.

― Huk-L (Huk-L), Thursday, 1 June 2006 15:36 (nineteen years ago)

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