Haircut house - S/D

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The elephant in the room here is all this crossover electro haircut house stuff which is unashamedly maximalist.
-- Matt DC (runmd...), August 10th, 2006 11:28 AM.


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To be honest, I only posted that so I could coin the term 'haircut house'.
-- Matt DC (runmd...), August 10th, 2006 11:29 AM.


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its called 'friseusen-elektro' (hairdresser electro) in germany! maybe we shd do a s/d thread

-- ferzaffe (fezaff...), August 10th, 2006 11:52 AM.

Matt DC (Matt DC), Thursday, 10 August 2006 11:03 (nineteen years ago)

Go!

Matt DC (Matt DC), Thursday, 10 August 2006 11:03 (nineteen years ago)

Search: Yoshimoto-Du What You Du (Trentemoller Mix) DON'T DENY THIS IS HAIRCUT HOUSE.

Destroy: the continued popularity of shit hed kandi compilations, which are surely still a big part of haircut house

Ronan (Ronan), Thursday, 10 August 2006 11:06 (nineteen years ago)

Drop The Pressure!

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Thursday, 10 August 2006 11:08 (nineteen years ago)

Paris Avenue - I Want You

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Thursday, 10 August 2006 11:08 (nineteen years ago)

Midnight Star - Midas Touch (Ewan Pearson & Al Usher Mix)

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Thursday, 10 August 2006 11:10 (nineteen years ago)

i have no idea what this is even though i have heard 3 of the 4 songs mentioned. WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT.

The Lex (The Lex), Thursday, 10 August 2006 11:12 (nineteen years ago)

Starsailor - Four To The Floor (Jacques Lu Cont Mix)

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Thursday, 10 August 2006 11:12 (nineteen years ago)

Lex, it's mersh electro-house beloved by (among others) vaguely metrosexual jocks at university.

It has soundtracked many occasions of me trying not perve on guys I mildly dislike.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Thursday, 10 August 2006 11:13 (nineteen years ago)

haha jocks in british unis don't listen to house at all.

i really am struggling to draw lines between 'four to the floor', 'drop the pressure' and 'du what you du', it would never have occurred to me to triangulate these and make a genre out of them.

erm 'candy girl' like you said on the other thread?

lindstrom rmx of 'tribulations'?

The Lex (The Lex), Thursday, 10 August 2006 11:16 (nineteen years ago)

to me it's like funky house meets electro, I wouldn't necessarily have the "four to the floor" remix.

"zdarlight" tho for sure.

it's going to make me sad when I end up having played every record on this thread at some point.

Ronan (Ronan), Thursday, 10 August 2006 11:18 (nineteen years ago)

'pleasure from the bass'?

The Lex (The Lex), Thursday, 10 August 2006 11:18 (nineteen years ago)

maybe, but not as much as "YOU GONNA WANT ME", perhaps the most haircut house song OF ALL TIME.

Ronan (Ronan), Thursday, 10 August 2006 11:20 (nineteen years ago)

Lex yr last two selections have been too tasteful.

"You Gonna Want Me" definitely though!

ha ha x-post!!!

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Thursday, 10 August 2006 11:21 (nineteen years ago)

My definition of haircut house = post-electrohouse, a bit rocky, a bit hip-hop if necessary, definitely more pop, possibly major label, happy to be seen remixing Wolfmother.

Simian Mobile Disco and Digitalism are haircut house. Trentemoller and Gabriel Ananda, even at their most rocky and boshing, are not.

Tiga is to haircut house as John The Baptist was to Jesus.

Matt DC (Matt DC), Thursday, 10 August 2006 11:22 (nineteen years ago)

Jacques Lu Cont is now pretty much an entire genre unto himself and doesn't count either.

Matt DC (Matt DC), Thursday, 10 August 2006 11:23 (nineteen years ago)

haha jocks in british unis don't listen to house at all.

well jocks doesn't really make sense in a british context but i know what tim means and they really really do listen to this stuff, you know - that hed kandi type stuff is everywhere.

what age are you, lex?

jed_ (jed), Thursday, 10 August 2006 11:25 (nineteen years ago)

Cassius 'Toop Toop'

the Braxe mix of Test Icicles (moshtastic)

Konal Doddz (blueski), Thursday, 10 August 2006 11:26 (nineteen years ago)

'cos i'm aware of it even in my dotage.

xpost to me

jed_ (jed), Thursday, 10 August 2006 11:26 (nineteen years ago)

Sorry but plenty of Trentemoller is haircut house. That Yoshimoto remix and the Royksopp one (tho the Jacques remix of the same challenges strongly) both qualify as haircut house.

Other suggestions:
Justice Vs Simian-Never Be Alone
Anything by Rex the Dog


Controversial choice:
Switch-This Is Sick

Surely it's only a matter of time until someone posts here going "B-b-b-ut all this stuff is great!!!!"

x-post jed otm, jocks DO listen to house music.

Ronan (Ronan), Thursday, 10 August 2006 11:26 (nineteen years ago)

this thread makes me realise what a love/hate relationship I have with this stuff.

Ronan (Ronan), Thursday, 10 August 2006 11:28 (nineteen years ago)

coburn vs dumb blonde - sugar lips
freeform five ft bounty killer - eeeeaaaaooowww

captain comatose i guess!

The Lex (The Lex), Thursday, 10 August 2006 11:28 (nineteen years ago)

Haha I actually do like most of these suggestions! Faintly-derisory genre tags rule (see also sports metal, plip-plop).

Tiga - Move My Body (Boys Noize Remix)

Matt DC (Matt DC), Thursday, 10 August 2006 11:29 (nineteen years ago)

poni hoax - budapest (maybe too gothy actually)

The Lex (The Lex), Thursday, 10 August 2006 11:30 (nineteen years ago)

re JLC - that's why I chose "Four To The Floor" - it was kinda pre his own genreness manifesting

Inaya Day - The Glamorest Life
Inaya Day - Nasty Girl
Mind Electric - Dirty Cash (Money Talks)
Bad Cabbage - You're Rude (Get Fucked)
Rogue Traders - Voodoo Child
Moguai - U Know Y
Tube & Berger - Gerideau

I love about half of this stuff and dislike the other half. It's absolutely massive in Australia.

Lex you're still getting it wrong actually - too stylish!

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Thursday, 10 August 2006 11:31 (nineteen years ago)

OMG THE SOUND OF NOW

Konal Doddz (blueski), Thursday, 10 August 2006 11:34 (nineteen years ago)

Seelenluft - Manila (Ewan Pearson Mix)
Deep Dish - Flashdance
Armand Van Helden - My My My

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Thursday, 10 August 2006 11:34 (nineteen years ago)

Yes vs Max Graham - Owner Of A Lonely Heart

Or am i getting too crass now?

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Thursday, 10 August 2006 11:37 (nineteen years ago)

well jocks doesn't really make sense in a british context but i know what tim means and they really really do listen to this stuff, you know - that hed kandi type stuff is everywhere.

what age are you, lex?

23. all the jocks at my uni listened to razorlight and oasis.

Lex you're still getting it wrong actually - too stylish!

but i still do not see how 'my my my' and 'never be alone' and 'drop the pressure' are in the same genre! they are so different!

The Lex (The Lex), Thursday, 10 August 2006 11:37 (nineteen years ago)

bob sinclar?

The Lex (The Lex), Thursday, 10 August 2006 11:38 (nineteen years ago)

Tim coming with some really awful ones now!

Ponihoax-Budapest??? No, jesus Lex, that's like suggesting Joanna Newsome in a "Death Metal POX" thread. Think of music for people who have that weird shaven head fucked up hairline and a sort of mullet placed on top of it.

I'm not sure about that Tiga/Boys Noize one, but I suppose Boys Noize merit a track on this thread, possibly, and that's the most apt one. It's not quite house enough tho in my opinion.

I actually think Claude Vonstroke "The Whistler" has a kind of hairdresser house feel to it, mostly cos it's like "FUNKY", tho it's not an outright HH tune.

x-post no not too crass these are PERFECT, hahaha

Ronan (Ronan), Thursday, 10 August 2006 11:39 (nineteen years ago)

Lex it astounds me that you don't immediately understand this considering roughly 50% of what your harem listens to is haircut house. The other 50% is indie, obviously.

Never Be Alone and Drop The Pressure aren't that different. Haven't knowingly heard My My My.

Matt DC (Matt DC), Thursday, 10 August 2006 11:40 (nineteen years ago)

Someone needs to embed "I Like The Way You Move" into this thread.

Also Lex you have no idea how peoples taste works, imagine everybodys taste as a huge venn diagram, with "Drop The Pressure" being on the very outermost point, towards "electro", of these peoples tastes.

Ronan (Ronan), Thursday, 10 August 2006 11:41 (nineteen years ago)

The Egg - Walking Away (Tocadisco Mix)
Coburn - Give Me Love (Lutzenkirchen Remix)
New Order - True Faith (King Roc Remix)
JUSTICE - WATERS OF NAZARETH

Matt DC (Matt DC), Thursday, 10 August 2006 11:42 (nineteen years ago)

Freeform Five-No More Conversations (Mylo Mix)

Oh jesus x-post I am about to own this thread, have any of you heard the following?

DAVID GUETTA VS THE EGG TOCADISCO MIX-LOVE DON'T WALK AWAY (or something)

Ronan (Ronan), Thursday, 10 August 2006 11:43 (nineteen years ago)

Soldout - I Don't Want To Have Sex With You (Mugwump Zexual Sealing Reversion Mix)

Matt DC (Matt DC), Thursday, 10 August 2006 11:45 (nineteen years ago)

half these songs veer towards funky house and the other half veer towards indie-dance though. the addition of 'the whistler' has further confused me.

my harem listen to minimal and indie-dance! i know what indie-dance is.

The Lex (The Lex), Thursday, 10 August 2006 11:45 (nineteen years ago)

if there's a Venn Diagram for the people on this thread's respective tastes, what is in the middle?

Konal Doddz (blueski), Thursday, 10 August 2006 11:45 (nineteen years ago)

i have actually heard almost every song on this thread and I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT ANY OF YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT.

The Lex (The Lex), Thursday, 10 August 2006 11:46 (nineteen years ago)

It's a spectrum running from 04 pop-electrohouse (Mylo, Rex The Dog) through indie dance (Justice vs Simian) to that godawful Bodyrockers track to Hed Kandi compilations to funky house.

Matt DC (Matt DC), Thursday, 10 August 2006 11:46 (nineteen years ago)

if there's a Venn Diagram for the people on this thread's respective tastes, what is in the middle?

me: weetabix/minimal house

Ronan (Ronan), Thursday, 10 August 2006 11:47 (nineteen years ago)

i have actually heard almost every song on this thread and I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT ANY OF YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT.

This is because you cannot grow hair like Russell Brand.

Matt DC (Matt DC), Thursday, 10 August 2006 11:47 (nineteen years ago)

Haircut House is a feeling.

Konal Doddz (blueski), Thursday, 10 August 2006 11:47 (nineteen years ago)

Yes, this may just be The sound of now. My sister finds that it is the only thing that she can listen to at the gym. Which is strange, given that it is also the only thing that she listens to when out on a Saturday night...

Search: Astudio ft. Polina - S.O.S. (original and remixes)
Gaelle - Give It Back (Putsch 79 'Lektro Remix)

Destroy: Rogue Traders. On sight.

Laugh at: Misch Masch ft. Lois - Speechless (the 'woohs' in the introduction never fail to amuse me).

Catherine Ryan (and so this is catherine), Thursday, 10 August 2006 11:48 (nineteen years ago)

It's a spectrum running from 04 pop-electrohouse (Mylo, Rex The Dog) through indie dance (Justice vs Simian) to that godawful Bodyrockers track to Hed Kandi compilations to funky house.

you might as well say "it's a spectrum running from black dice to sandi thom" such is the extent of that spectrum and the total disparity of the stuff at one end of it from the other

The Lex (The Lex), Thursday, 10 August 2006 11:48 (nineteen years ago)

i'm sorry, rex the dog has NOTHING TO DO with armand van helden. you are MAKING THIS SHIT UP!

The Lex (The Lex), Thursday, 10 August 2006 11:48 (nineteen years ago)

Does the Dirty South remix of Evermore's "It's Too Late" count? It's also approaching dangerous levels of awfulness...

Catherine Ryan (and so this is catherine), Thursday, 10 August 2006 11:50 (nineteen years ago)

To be fair to Lex, Haircut Indie seemed a narrower spectrum by comparison (Razorlight were seen as the figureheads iirc).

Konal Doddz (blueski), Thursday, 10 August 2006 11:50 (nineteen years ago)

To be honest, when I started this thread I was exclusively talking about that Justice/Simian/Digitalism stuff we can't find a name for. I'm not quite sure where Armand Van Helden fits in but then I haven't heard the track in question anyway.

Matt DC (Matt DC), Thursday, 10 August 2006 11:52 (nineteen years ago)

you haven't heard 'My My My' even tho it's been re-released every month for the past 2 years??!

Konal Doddz (blueski), Thursday, 10 August 2006 11:52 (nineteen years ago)

lex you are a mentalist! of course rex the dog and armand van helden have similarities.

Mish Mash-Speechless, DING DING. I fucking hate that tune, for shame Crosstown Rebels.

Ronan (Ronan), Thursday, 10 August 2006 11:53 (nineteen years ago)

'My My My' would previously be just straight mainstream funky-house but the vocal (dunno where it came from) has this 'hair metal' quality to it that may well qualify it for HH canon.

Konal Doddz (blueski), Thursday, 10 August 2006 11:54 (nineteen years ago)

that Justice/Simian/Digitalism stuff we can't find a name for

that would have made sense but i suspect that everyone has interpreted it in a completely different way. also it has nothing to do with rex the dog surely, or mylo.

The Lex (The Lex), Thursday, 10 August 2006 11:54 (nineteen years ago)

'i look into mid-air' and 'my my my'. NOT SEEING IT!

The Lex (The Lex), Thursday, 10 August 2006 11:55 (nineteen years ago)

Oh, I probably have heard My My My, I just can't put a name to it.

The Klaxons - Gravitys Rainbow (Van She Remix)
Daft Punk - Every mix of Technologic ever except the Basement Jaxx one

Matt DC (Matt DC), Thursday, 10 August 2006 11:55 (nineteen years ago)

I Look Into Mid Air is too girly to be haircut house, like Jacques Lu Cont. This stuff needs BLOKIENESS and BEER.

The Rex The Dog Mix of Drop The Pressure = total haircut house.

Matt DC (Matt DC), Thursday, 10 August 2006 11:56 (nineteen years ago)

Is this genre grouped together based largely on the demography of the people who listen to it?

Catherine Ryan (and so this is catherine), Thursday, 10 August 2006 11:58 (nineteen years ago)

This stuff needs BLOKIENESS and BEER

which is entirely NOT what my harem listens to! you keep shifting the goalposts!

The Lex (The Lex), Thursday, 10 August 2006 12:01 (nineteen years ago)

Is this genre grouped together based largely on the demography of the people who listen to it?

hey it wouldn't have 'haircut' in the title otherwise!

none of the DFA mixes from the last year seem to fit with HH, curiously, given the hipstery precedent.

Konal Doddz (blueski), Thursday, 10 August 2006 12:07 (nineteen years ago)

Lex your friends listen to the Killers and Justice! How much more beery blokiness do you want?

In any case there's a big gulf stylistically between the Kaiser Chiefs and the White Stripes but they fit quite snugly under the haircut indie banner.

Matt DC (Matt DC), Thursday, 10 August 2006 12:09 (nineteen years ago)

No it's not the Justice Simian Digitalism stuff, even if some of their output fits. I don't know how the rest of you don't get this? But Tim has the same idea I have about it.

But what's this, a figure in the distance? I can't see, the light burns my eyes, it almost looks like........it can't be.....Vahid? A furious Vahid here to smite this thread down??? NOOOOO

Ronan (Ronan), Thursday, 10 August 2006 12:17 (nineteen years ago)

Haircut house is NOT hipstery! No DFA remixes, jesus! It's basically where funky house meets electrohouse.

Ronan (Ronan), Thursday, 10 August 2006 12:17 (nineteen years ago)

I wasn't saying DFA should be in, that was the point. Stop saying 'jesus' all the time. Just because a lot of the people who make Haircut House look like Jesus.

Konal Doddz (blueski), Thursday, 10 August 2006 12:20 (nineteen years ago)

(the justice/simian/hey-i-didn't-bring-up-the-rogue traders thing still needs a name?)

Bashment Jakes (Enrique), Thursday, 10 August 2006 12:22 (nineteen years ago)

is haircut house someting to do with

the Quayside, Newcastle?

you know, kieron and the boys

-- (688), Thursday, 10 August 2006 12:23 (nineteen years ago)

Anyway if some Trentemoller tracks and things like 'Flashdance' and 'Voodoo Child' are somehow both perfect examples of 'Haircut House' you can forgive people for being a bit baffled.

Konal Doddz (blueski), Thursday, 10 August 2006 12:23 (nineteen years ago)

lex you are the chuck eddy of dance music

PARTYMAN (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 10 August 2006 12:26 (nineteen years ago)

This stuff needs BLOKIENESS and BEER

Vahid was right! It is Big Beat 2.0.

the Quayside, Newcastle?

Thank fuck, I'm not there anymore.

Raw Patrick (Raw Patrick), Thursday, 10 August 2006 12:26 (nineteen years ago)

in the U.S. i believe we'd refer to this stuff as either MOOK HOUSE or BRIDGE AND TUNNEL

PARTYMAN (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 10 August 2006 12:27 (nineteen years ago)

Anyway if some Trentemoller tracks and things like 'Flashdance' and 'Voodoo Child' are somehow both perfect examples of 'Haircut House' you can forgive people for being a bit baffled.

No you can't! It's so obvious I just don't know how to explain it, people who like house music can like stuff like Trentemoller, and also stuff like "Flashdance". They are not like, poles apart, you'd think we were saying people who have just been skinned enjoy rolling in salt the way people are reacting here.

Ronan (Ronan), Thursday, 10 August 2006 12:36 (nineteen years ago)

I am sad Ronan is trying to rob Ed Banger of the haircut house title that is rightfully theirs.

More to the point I am in disbelief that we are sitting here arguing about was does and doesn't fit into an imaginary genre made up two hours ago.

Matt DC (Matt DC), Thursday, 10 August 2006 12:37 (nineteen years ago)

They are quite different in sound. Don't people usually expect genre/buzzwords like this to be made up based on that, rather than sneery, vague projections about 'the kinda person who likes this and that'? Fun as that can be. (xpost)

Konal Doddz (blueski), Thursday, 10 August 2006 12:39 (nineteen years ago)

Another great thread derailed by "BUT WHY, BUT WHYYYYYYYYY"!

Ronan (Ronan), Thursday, 10 August 2006 12:39 (nineteen years ago)

http://this.bigstereo.net/

Good Dog (Good Dog), Thursday, 10 August 2006 12:40 (nineteen years ago)

ADMIT YOU ARE WRONG AGAIN

Konal Doddz (blueski), Thursday, 10 August 2006 12:40 (nineteen years ago)

haha jocks in british unis don't listen to house at all.

This is the wrongest thing you've ever said in ILX history. All fucking rugby boys have four or five Hed Kandi compilations nowadays.

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Thursday, 10 August 2006 12:41 (nineteen years ago)

ed banger and hed kandi are in no way listened to by the same people but this is MARKETING (the elephant in the entire discussion) rather than SOUND. more to the point, the hed kandi people might listen to ed banger but not the other way around! (cf. lex.) (if need be, you can sub in "tretmoller" and "goa trance" if you wish.)

otherwise ronan otm.

PARTYMAN (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 10 August 2006 12:44 (nineteen years ago)

No it's not the Justice Simian Digitalism stuff, even if some of their output fits. I don't know how the rest of you don't get this? But Tim has the same idea I have about it.

b-b-b-but matt made up the genre! i think i know what you mean too but it needs another name, if we're going to call simian/justice bobbins 'haircut house'.

The Lex (The Lex), Thursday, 10 August 2006 12:45 (nineteen years ago)

lex you are the chuck eddy of dance music

please explain a) what this means b) whether it is a good thing?

The Lex (The Lex), Thursday, 10 August 2006 12:46 (nineteen years ago)

the words "haircut house" are hardly invented here on ILM.....today

simian justice is not HAIRCUT house. remove the haircut from that sentence to reveal another important truth.

Ronan (Ronan), Thursday, 10 August 2006 12:47 (nineteen years ago)

wait how come jess is posting thoughtful comments suddenly? i am freaked out here.

Konal Doddz (blueski), Thursday, 10 August 2006 12:48 (nineteen years ago)

i never heard 'haircut house' as a term until today tho i know the music existed before it, struggling for years in the shadows without a name to support itself properly.

Konal Doddz (blueski), Thursday, 10 August 2006 12:49 (nineteen years ago)

please explain a) what this means b) whether it is a good thing?

http://us.inmagine.com/168nwm/digitalvision/dv297/dv297002.jpg

PARTYMAN (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 10 August 2006 12:51 (nineteen years ago)

i once went to a club where people were giving each other haircuts on the floor while dancing around and sucking in their cheeks. can't remember what was on the hi-fi though.

Good Dog (Good Dog), Thursday, 10 August 2006 12:52 (nineteen years ago)

Here you go: Cream: Rock The Discotheque V.01. A lot of the tunes mentioned already are on this.

todd (todd), Thursday, 10 August 2006 12:53 (nineteen years ago)

in the U.S.
in the U.S.
in the U.S.

i believe we'd refer to this stuff as either MOOK HOUSE or BRIDGE AND TUNNEL

trees (treesessplode), Thursday, 10 August 2006 12:54 (nineteen years ago)

whither pop trance cover verions?

PARTYMAN (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 10 August 2006 12:57 (nineteen years ago)

have you heard Bella Lawrence 'I Bet You Look Good On The Dancefloor'?

Konal Doddz (blueski), Thursday, 10 August 2006 12:57 (nineteen years ago)

that Cream one is almost a little too trendy!

Ronan (Ronan), Thursday, 10 August 2006 12:58 (nineteen years ago)

haha i dont even think i've heard the original

PARTYMAN (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 10 August 2006 12:59 (nineteen years ago)

Okay, an explanation: when I started doing law at uni in 2000, the Law Students Society who i despised at the time but subsequently became an office bearer in (long story) used to put on these bbqs outside the law building in the afternoon in the summer, and the DJ would pump out stuff like that funky house version of "Sun Is Shining" or the Boris Douglosh remix of "Sing It Back", not to mention Madison Avenue and "Lady (Hear Me Tonight)". Mixed in with Basement Jaxx and Daft Punk and maybe even The Avalanches. And then lots of second tier, really "phat" disco-influenced stuff, that admittedly does sound pretty good on a summer's day outside. The look amongst the preppy law students was this sort of slacker surf chic - polo shirts with expensive tracksuit pants and thongs, long hair well-groomed hair, carefully maintained tans (this look is still huge among law students, but the nu-mullet was only just beginning to emerge at that stage, and certainly assymetrical haircuts on guys were still to come).

This is the crowd I think of, and the answer to "what is haircut house" is for me "whatever plays at those bbqs". It's a continuum, not a strict sonic definition.

What happened then? Basically that crowd who were totally into post-French House "phased disco" - which then became just "funky house", started looking outside its initial borders for stuff which had a similar poppy "big with the girls" feel but dabbled in different styles. A big stepping stone was the more populist Subliminal-ish stuff - "Shiny Disco Balls", or Junior Jack's "Thrill Me" (esp. the awful vocal version) - a lot harder than the previous soundtrack music, but still with a similar vibe. Simultaneously, they were starting to get into more and more garish plasticky eighties sounds - the vocal version of "The Terrace"/"Stand Back" was pretty big for this scene, and I think that this shows the influence of electroclash as a motor for 80s revivalism is overrated - the kidz were reviving the 80s anyway, and if anything electroclash is curiously excluded from this scene, it's just not funky enough (typically clubs at this time would only play electroclash if they had some sort of indie quotient to their identity).

But alongside this the haircut house crowd still loved the light-hearted summery stuff like Tim Deluxe's "It Just Won't Do" or "Another Point Of View". And while their music of choice was getting more 80s and a little bit harder, it remained almost defiantly at the garish end of the spectrum - Boogie Pimps' "Somebody To Love" even, and obviously "Call On Me".

Flash forward to Feb 2005 and I remember a lightbulb going off above my head when one of the DJs played the Tiefschwarz mix of "Kinda New" - the territory we can call "Haircut House" had gradually crept outwards until it ran all the way from Joey Negro to archetypal electro-house. But this is about as straight tuff electro-house as they get - you wouldn't hear "The Abwehr Disco", though one or two DJs might try to get away with "Rocker". But it's not strange at all to hear "My My My", "Drop The Pressure", "Owner Of A Lonely Heart" and "Kinda New" all in a row.

Except that now in Australia there's an entire local cottage industry catering to this audience, and almost all of those producers (Dirty South, TV Rock, Rogue Traders, Vandalism, T-Funk) have a sound that is more obviously "bullseye" haircut house. It actually sounds a lot like Justice, except it always has prominent vocals: either guys doing some sort of Euro MCing update (think The Real McCoy) or "sassy" post-"Shiny Disco Balls" cynical sounding femmes, or "proper" house divas, or bootlegged whiny rock vocals.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Thursday, 10 August 2006 12:59 (nineteen years ago)

polo shirts with expensive tracksuit pants and thongs???

PARTYMAN (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 10 August 2006 13:00 (nineteen years ago)

haha i dont even think i've heard the original

you are The Lex of dancerock music

Konal Doddz (blueski), Thursday, 10 August 2006 13:02 (nineteen years ago)

But what about Trendymullet (as he shall now be known), Tim? C'mon I have my whole rep staked on this.

Konal Doddz (blueski), Thursday, 10 August 2006 13:04 (nineteen years ago)

Australian dance music kind of confuses me - it seems to be this self-contained industry that doesn't really talk to the rest of the world at all. A rough guide (either to what's big or what's good) would be nice some time. If one doesn't already exist.

Matt DC (Matt DC), Thursday, 10 August 2006 13:06 (nineteen years ago)

"polo shirts with expensive tracksuit pants and thongs???"

I know! I'm not saying I approved of this, let alone participated in it!

Yes Steve the remixes of "What Else Is There" and especially "Do What You Do" count, but nothing else at all.

I think I may have heard "Geht Nocht" at one of these bbqs but I may be manufacturing that memory.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Thursday, 10 August 2006 13:06 (nineteen years ago)

Surely it's only a matter of time until someone posts here going "B-b-b-ut all this stuff is great!!!!"

HI DERE!!

Tom (Groke), Thursday, 10 August 2006 13:07 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah I'd like the Rough Guide to current Aussie dance too (you can leave Rogue Traders off tho).

Konal Doddz (blueski), Thursday, 10 August 2006 13:08 (nineteen years ago)

"Australian dance music kind of confuses me - it seems to be this self-contained industry that doesn't really talk to the rest of the world at all. A rough guide (either to what's big or what's good) would be nice some time. If one doesn't already exist. "

None of it is good really. I'm coming round to the notion (propogated by catherine ryan) that TV Rock's "Flaunt It" is the best of a bad bunch. As I've said elsewhere some of it is interesting in that it has a certain OTT extremeness people tend to associate with Justice/Digitalism - lots of ridiculous syncopated arpeggios reminiscent of Black Strobe's "Fitting Together", only in these big camp poppy house songs.

actually we shouldn't underestimate the influence of homo house on haircut house: a lot of this stuff isn't that far removed from big homo hits like the house remix of Faith Evans' "Mesmerised", or Kristine W's "Some Lovin' (Peter Rauhoefer Mix)".

OH! I just remember an absolute classic! Martin Solveig - Rocking Music!!!

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Thursday, 10 August 2006 13:11 (nineteen years ago)

right, I now know exactly what Tim and Ronan are talking about (basically this is the Wetherspoons house which Dom fetishises, right? lowest-common-denominator stuff which bleeds occasionally into electrohouse), and what Matt is talking about (ie what my rave girlz like), and what now confuses me is how for the first half of this thread, all of them were posting according to their defn of 'haircut house' without noticing that these were completely different things!

The Lex (The Lex), Thursday, 10 August 2006 13:12 (nineteen years ago)

NO WAY is there a tune called 'Rocking Music'?!

I like Tim's definition, I'm willing to give the term to him.

Matt DC (Matt DC), Thursday, 10 August 2006 13:13 (nineteen years ago)

The problem with Matt's definition is that people really into Modular stuff have crap indie haircuts! No definition or bounce at all!

x-post Matt you have to search it, it's one of the best tracks ever! It's like the haircut house version of Shapeshifters' "Lola's Theme" in terms of sheer room-filling largesse.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Thursday, 10 August 2006 13:14 (nineteen years ago)

What do you think of Bodyrockers Tom?

The thing about this thread is there is a definite sound to this stuff, I just don't know how people can't grasp that that Yoshimoto Trentemoller, for example, really has this sound, I don't know why, it's probably the sort of emptiness of the vocal and the kind of phased guitar noises. I actually really rate the tune for managing to be such an absolute smash in HH style but also just credible enough to play to people who would dismiss HH.

Also I'm sure this isn't just an Australian thing, do these guys wear stripey polo shirts Tim?

Also can someone post a pic of the non trendy nu mullet, I mean the one, it's not even really a mullet, where the hairline is kind of shaved short in a weird line, not along the usual back of the head route, kind of lower than normal above the ear and then way lower than normal on the back of the head, so you get this weird sort of long unshaven hair growing a tiny bit over shaven.

Does anyone know what I mean?

x-post not quite wetherspoons I wouldn't say, these people have some pretensions to being trendy, I think.

Ronan (Ronan), Thursday, 10 August 2006 13:15 (nineteen years ago)

actually pete from big brother has the haircut I mean kind of!

Ronan (Ronan), Thursday, 10 August 2006 13:17 (nineteen years ago)

I've not heard the Trendymullet mix of Yoshimoto yet - I just heard his name and instantly though of 'Polar Shift' and 'Nam Nam' so didn't see the connection.

what about Planet Funk 'The Switch' ('Chase The Sun' also perhaps)?

Konal Doddz (blueski), Thursday, 10 August 2006 13:17 (nineteen years ago)

maybe too old or a tiny bit too subtle, but definitely on the right lines of ultra whiteness.

"I Like The Way You Move" is still the ultimate, it's like, doubles as music for a public park cleaning day refreshments party.

Ronan (Ronan), Thursday, 10 August 2006 13:19 (nineteen years ago)

Tho perhaps I'm not getting into

Dance music for parents to dance with toddlers to at large public parties S/D.

Ronan (Ronan), Thursday, 10 August 2006 13:21 (nineteen years ago)

sorry "now getting into" I meant to say

Ronan (Ronan), Thursday, 10 August 2006 13:23 (nineteen years ago)

I appreciate the fact that Tim has denigrated the Prince 'One Love' night/scene - which sells itself as 'the cutting edge of Australian dance music' - by calling it a 'cottage industry'. Rumour has it that you can't get into the Prince's "One Love" night (http://www.onelove.com.au/ - Haircut House Central) without having a MySpace page.

Catherine Ryan (and so this is catherine), Thursday, 10 August 2006 13:24 (nineteen years ago)

Wow, it really DOES fit with haircut indie then!

Matt DC (Matt DC), Thursday, 10 August 2006 13:26 (nineteen years ago)

Click on the 'pictures' link on that webpage for access to an almost unrivalled document of the Haircuts behind the House. (Actually the haircuts aren't really that extreme. But it's a good testament to the fact that 'boorish metrasexual' is not an oxymoron.)

Catherine Ryan (and so this is catherine), Thursday, 10 August 2006 13:30 (nineteen years ago)

Was there no remix in this vein of Stereophonics 'Dakota' at all? What a missed opportunity there...

Konal Doddz (blueski), Thursday, 10 August 2006 13:31 (nineteen years ago)

Er, 'boorish metrosexual', that should be.

Catherine Ryan (and so this is catherine), Thursday, 10 August 2006 13:31 (nineteen years ago)

Okay so a rough guide to Aussie Haircut House (minus recent Rogue Traders):

L'More - Taking Hold (quite good)
Disco Montego - U Talkin' To Me (quite good)
Rogue Traders vs INXS - One Of My Kind (crap)
Mr. Timothy - I Am Tha 1 (quite good)
BodyRockers - I Like The Way You Move (it cares not what I think of it)
Inaya Day - Nasty Girl (great!)
T-Funk - The Glamorous Life (hard to dislike)
TV Rock - Never Say Never (like/hate)
Vandalism - Never Say Never (meh)
Dirty South vs Evermore - It's Too Late (make it stop! my poor ears!)
Mind Electric - Dirty Cash (Money Talk) (kinda compelling, but not good exactly)
T-Funk - Be Together (another meh)

There's a really obvious one whose details I can't remember - catherine knows what it is. It's the one with the weird repetitive one note high-pitched diva vocals and then the big chorus that's something like "Baby I FEEL like I'M FALLING in LOVE!"

Re the Wetherspoons. I was trying to think "what stuff is just too crass for this crowd". I think it's stuff like Hi-Tack, Royal Gigolos etc - stuff which sounds like it doesn't even take itself seriously (when haircut house is tongue in cheek it's about some third thing - so "Owner Of a Lonely Heart" is laughing a bit at early 80s Yes, but not itself per se). Of course Hi-Tack's "Say Say Say" is better than most haircut house records!

Also let it be known that the success of "Body Language" is basically down to the fact that this crowd quite like it.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Thursday, 10 August 2006 13:34 (nineteen years ago)

ha ha check this haircut house comp - Salon Sounds!

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Thursday, 10 August 2006 13:37 (nineteen years ago)

That's Astudio ft. Polina's "S.O.S.", Tim. I put it in as my "Search", above. The original, not the remix mind you - even though I think the remix may have been bigger in clubs, not sure. I quite like it - such giant surging synths! Polina was apparently the vocalist in this year's Eurovision Entry from Belarus.

Catherine Ryan (and so this is catherine), Thursday, 10 August 2006 13:37 (nineteen years ago)

I don't actually like Bodyrockers. I don't think it's really dreadful musically but the guy's voice is horrible.

Also TBH I don't like all of this stuff but I know what it is and I enjoy a lot of it, basically "dance music daytime Radio 1 still plays" would sum it up for me.

xpost Actually if the Hi-Tack end of things is taken out of the equation I don't like HH after all :(

Tom (Groke), Thursday, 10 August 2006 13:37 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.onelove.com.au/pics2006/onelove_pix_060805/source/image/r0011103.jpg

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Thursday, 10 August 2006 13:54 (nineteen years ago)

What dance music DOES daytime Radio One still play? Apart from Mylo and Justice vs Simian of course?

Matt DC (Matt DC), Thursday, 10 August 2006 13:55 (nineteen years ago)

What about that recent Joey Negro one (Tim hinted at him), the "baby make your move" one.

Really not good but there ARE records like it that I DO like - even with something like this you can of course discern!

Konal Doddz (blueski), Thursday, 10 August 2006 13:56 (nineteen years ago)

Ha ha I had to review that one Steve. It's like if someone made stock out of Hed Kandi cds.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Thursday, 10 August 2006 13:58 (nineteen years ago)

http://onelove.com.au/pics2006/onelove_pix_060722/source/image/imgp4164.jpg

Catherine Ryan (and so this is catherine), Thursday, 10 August 2006 13:59 (nineteen years ago)

Before --> After

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Thursday, 10 August 2006 13:59 (nineteen years ago)

Haha, yes.

Mind you there are worse pictures on that site.

Catherine Ryan (and so this is catherine), Thursday, 10 August 2006 14:02 (nineteen years ago)

Catherine what are we doing I have work tomorrow!

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Thursday, 10 August 2006 14:03 (nineteen years ago)

Also as I recently discovered Shannon's excellent 'Give Me Tonight' I found it had been sampled and haircut-up by someone called Sharp Display in 2003 (as well as remixed and re-released in it's original form in 2000) but I don't think this was a hit, surprisingly.

Galleon's 'So I Begin' is too good to mention here!

Konal Doddz (blueski), Thursday, 10 August 2006 14:03 (nineteen years ago)

"Warning children! Ecstasy use fills you with love in the ugliest way!"

http://onelove.com.au/pics2006/onelove_pix_060722/source/image/imgp4194.jpg

http://onelove.com.au/pics2006/onelove_pix_060722/source/imgp4279.htm

Catherine Ryan (and so this is catherine), Thursday, 10 August 2006 14:05 (nineteen years ago)

Whoops:

http://onelove.com.au/pics2006/onelove_pix_060722/source/image/imgp4279.jpg

Catherine Ryan (and so this is catherine), Thursday, 10 August 2006 14:05 (nineteen years ago)

A beautiful thread. Tim and Catherine plz to curate the box set.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 10 August 2006 14:06 (nineteen years ago)

We're looking down our noses, Tim, in the most enjoyable way possible.

Because I may have spent all day in my pyjamas, but at least I don't look like this:

http://onelove.com.au/pics2006/onelove_pix_060722/source/image/imgp4303.jpg

Catherine Ryan (and so this is catherine), Thursday, 10 August 2006 14:08 (nineteen years ago)

What dance music DOES daytime Radio One still play? Apart from Mylo and Justice vs Simian of course?

A list
Basement Jaxx- Hush Boy
David Guetta vs The Egg- Love Don't Let Me Go (Walking Away)
Supermode- Tell Me Why

B list
Chocolate Puma- Always and Forever
Michael Gray featuring Shelly Poole- Borderline
Mousse T vs The Dandy Warhols- Horny As A Dandy

C list
Route 33 featuring Alex James- Looking Back
Supafly Inc.- Moving Too Fast

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Thursday, 10 August 2006 14:09 (nineteen years ago)

(I'll stop that now. There's just too much.)

Catherine Ryan (and so this is catherine), Thursday, 10 August 2006 14:09 (nineteen years ago)

tom otm. from my somewhat isolated position viz 00s dance, this thread kind of sums up what 'mainstream dance' post-2002 is in my mind!!!

ie i know lots of these tracks -- not something i experience on the electro/minimal threads.

finney's autobiographical post was especially great.

Bashment Jakes (Enrique), Thursday, 10 August 2006 14:09 (nineteen years ago)

that guetta vs the egg thing is so wrong.

The Lex (The Lex), Thursday, 10 August 2006 14:10 (nineteen years ago)

... Ok, just one more.

http://onelove.com.au/pics2006/onelove_pix_060722/source/image/r0010995.jpg

Metrosexual != Homosexual

Catherine Ryan (and so this is catherine), Thursday, 10 August 2006 14:10 (nineteen years ago)

I think I get it. "Haircut house" is what Hed Kandi call "Twisted Disco", right?

Diego Valladolid (dvalladt), Thursday, 10 August 2006 14:17 (nineteen years ago)

I keep thinking this is The Egg of crusty raver fame.

Konal Doddz (blueski), Thursday, 10 August 2006 14:19 (nineteen years ago)

out next Monday, Armin Van Burren vs Eat Static's 'Can't Keep This Feeling In'

Konal Doddz (blueski), Thursday, 10 August 2006 14:22 (nineteen years ago)

Sort of tied in with all this but not really, I'm looking at the Ministry of Sound website for work research purposes right now and I don't understand any of it AT ALL.

I recognise maybe four of the (non-dnb) names on there - it just doesn't chime with any of my recent experience of dance music.

Matt DC (Matt DC), Thursday, 10 August 2006 14:26 (nineteen years ago)

http://eil.com/newGallery/Uniting-Nations-Out-Of-Touch-310452.jpg

Konal Doddz (blueski), Thursday, 10 August 2006 14:28 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah Twisted Disco=haircut house.

Some of those pics, not the awful first few, but maybe the last one, look like (some) people that go to our night, so there is a considerable crossover.

Ronan (Ronan), Thursday, 10 August 2006 14:30 (nineteen years ago)

polo shirts with expensive tracksuit pants and thongs???
-- PARTYMAN (wt...), August 10th, 2006 7:00 AM. (dubplatestyle) (later)

polo shirts with track shoes and expensive thongs

JABBA JABBA!! NIB NIB!! (vahid), Thursday, 10 August 2006 14:57 (nineteen years ago)

basically this is the Wetherspoons house which Dom fetishises, right?

B-b-but Wetherspoons don't play ANY music. You mean O Neils!

(Carry on. Sorry.)

Jamie T Smith (Jamie T Smith), Thursday, 10 August 2006 15:08 (nineteen years ago)

right, I now know exactly what Tim and Ronan are talking about (basically this is the Wetherspoons house which Dom fetishises, right? lowest-common-denominator stuff which bleeds occasionally into electrohouse)

-- The Lex

Y'know if you're outside London this stuff pretty much IS electro-house!

fandango (fandango), Thursday, 10 August 2006 15:21 (nineteen years ago)

does anyone know who made that video, haircut house, where there is a lot of people dancing and doing lip sync : there is also a big dude doing air bass, I think he may have made the track. + some female vocals. (do not confuse with vitalic) . probably have been nominated on this thread already, and if not= it represents possibly even more than Bodyrockers - Way You Move. it's catchy so it's weird that I don't remember almost anything about it right now.

funny ringtones (funny ringtones), Thursday, 10 August 2006 15:25 (nineteen years ago)

basically this is the Wetherspoons house which Dom fetishises, right?

B-b-but Wetherspoons don't play ANY music. You mean O Neils!

(Carry on. Sorry.)

Lloyd's #1 actually, which is owned and maintained by the JD Wetherspoon corporation. "Lloyds House" just sounds wrong though, hence "Wetherspoons House" or whatever.

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Thursday, 10 August 2006 15:28 (nineteen years ago)

delayed response

I think the problem some people have with the "Du what you du" Trentemoller remix - is that this is something you could quite easily here at a club playing haircut house, but not a hotel/pub/sports bar/radio (although I could imagine them playing the Trentemoller's Royksopp remix).

Things to add:

Moonbootica
Cosmo Vitelli's cover of "I Like To Move It"
Paul Mac - check out his profile/photos at http://www.paulmac.com.au/
lots of generic mashups

Jedmond (Jedmond), Thursday, 10 August 2006 15:29 (nineteen years ago)

oh and

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2qua2VToGFk

Jedmond (Jedmond), Thursday, 10 August 2006 15:35 (nineteen years ago)

oh and for TV Rock's Flaunt It

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2qua2VToGFk

Jedmond (Jedmond), Thursday, 10 August 2006 15:35 (nineteen years ago)

Zdar's 'Don't U Want' = his own 'ramped up' electrohouse-disco sound with a nod to 'I Like To Move It' plus very haircut-house lyrics in a French style.

Konal Doddz (blueski), Thursday, 10 August 2006 15:51 (nineteen years ago)

that "Flaunt It" video= hilarious. Like Right Said Fred. How can it not be ironic?

So would MSTRKRFT fit here?

Father Brian Eno (Father Brian Eno), Thursday, 10 August 2006 16:36 (nineteen years ago)

Apparently not.

Can you imagine how angry/annoyed some people must be about this thread? Just imagine the annoyance!

Konal Doddz (blueski), Thursday, 10 August 2006 16:38 (nineteen years ago)

Tim, would all of this explain the horror that is Rogue Traders - "Voodoo Child"? They're Australian at that.

JoB (JoB), Thursday, 10 August 2006 16:38 (nineteen years ago)

I'd never really thought about it much, but just a few of Ronan's and Tim's post and I knew exactly what they were on about. It seems to me there's very fine line between really good and really terrible haircut house. It must have something to do with the vocals. Someone mentioned Mylo - "In My Arms" yet?

JoB (JoB), Thursday, 10 August 2006 16:41 (nineteen years ago)

Rogue Traders are haircut house through and through

Jedmond (Jedmond), Thursday, 10 August 2006 16:48 (nineteen years ago)

MSTRKRFT is indieclash!

Michael F Gill (Michael F Gill), Thursday, 10 August 2006 16:54 (nineteen years ago)

ok, mstrkrft is not so disco, but the people who'd dance to this would dance to mstrkrft.

Father Brian Eno (Father Brian Eno), Thursday, 10 August 2006 16:57 (nineteen years ago)

Can you imagine how angry/annoyed some people must be about this thread? Just imagine the annoyance!

why are you people always trying to make me hate the music i love by stacking it in piles it clearly does not belong?

firstworldman (firstworldman), Thursday, 10 August 2006 17:11 (nineteen years ago)

get in the salon already, hippy :)

funny ringtones (funny ringtones), Thursday, 10 August 2006 17:30 (nineteen years ago)

"What dance music DOES daytime Radio One still play? Apart from Mylo and Justice vs Simian of course? "

having been listening to it at work the last few days the answer is;
pop-dance covers of 'white rabbit','smalltown boy' and others, The new madonna single, and one with whistling in it which is a bit reminiscent of that one '...featuring Oliver Cheatam' of a few years back. They rarely tell you who the dance songs are by so I can't be more specific. Not heard Mylo or Justice vs Simian played at all.

Bidfurd (Bidfurd), Thursday, 10 August 2006 19:25 (nineteen years ago)

According to the Radio 1 playlist:

Arctic Monkeys Leave Before The Lights Come On (14/08)
David Guetta vs The Egg Love Don't Let Me Go (Walking Away) (14/08)
Scissor Sisters I Don't Feel Like Dancin' (04/09)
Supermode Tell Me Why (24/07) (the Bronski Beat one)
Chocolate Puma Always and Forever (14/08)
Mousse T vs The Dandy Warhols Horny As A Dandy (07/08)

JoB (JoB), Thursday, 10 August 2006 20:08 (nineteen years ago)

Ah, sorry bout those Monkeys.

JoB (JoB), Thursday, 10 August 2006 20:10 (nineteen years ago)

"Tim, would all of this explain the horror that is Rogue Traders - "Voodoo Child"? They're Australian at that. "

Yes, entirely. Wait to you hear the subsequent single "I See You Watching Me Watching You", which is based around the rock riff from "My Sharona" and is basically a sequel to "I Like The Way You Move" (including the feeling that both convey of having always existed) - in fact the most successful pop radio station here changed their TV advert backing music from the former to the latter, it was like a change of the guard or passing of the baton.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Thursday, 10 August 2006 21:54 (nineteen years ago)

Tim, is the Australian scene you describe like the Bang Gang people (Ajax etc?). Cos that's awful. The ultimate case of style over substance.
I left Melbourne before this whole scene started (back when Honkytonks played Classic Recordings / Herbert late 90s stuff). And also, is stuff like the Presets, Cut Copy and Riot in Belgium associated with this scene?

paulhw (paulhw), Thursday, 10 August 2006 23:56 (nineteen years ago)

Bang Gang - yes. Ajax's mix sets are very similar to what plays at One Love.

Presets/Cut Copy/Riot In Belgium - sorta. That stuff is connected to Bang Gang but not so much to Haircut House per se - too indie, too much of a rock audience.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Thursday, 10 August 2006 23:59 (nineteen years ago)

is Fatblock Vs Matt Feat Kim Covington - Rock Whit You Extended Spank Me Mix fits in this or it's (all) just "today's ordinary dance music" right.

(ps comeon can someonene id the video I described earlier plzzzzz!)

funny ringtones (funny ringtones), Friday, 11 August 2006 01:14 (nineteen years ago)

(what a great thread to stumble across!)

(I'm going to see Linus Loves tonight . . . will report back on haircuts!)

etc (esskay), Friday, 11 August 2006 01:44 (nineteen years ago)

Linus Loves remix of the new Justin Timberlake is very haircut house.

JoB (JoB), Friday, 11 August 2006 14:24 (nineteen years ago)

Any news on the Linus Loves haircuts?

Catherine Ryan (and so this is catherine), Thursday, 24 August 2006 12:06 (nineteen years ago)

Haircut House is awful, though I must admit to owning a few of these records (only a few!) it is a genre of sh@t house music that appeals to the masses... But say you ask a mate whom is not so into music if they like The Knife's (for example) new single and they will look at u like ur a muppet... quote 'who's the knife? some sort of slip knot sh*t?' unquote

You cant win

E-Clex (E-Clex), Saturday, 26 August 2006 20:42 (nineteen years ago)

you're a jackass

the art ensemble of chicago house (vahid), Saturday, 26 August 2006 20:59 (nineteen years ago)

Ah thats why I love ilx, cos u dont normally get idiots insulting each other on the threads... cheers for that

E-Clex (E-Clex), Sunday, 27 August 2006 07:08 (nineteen years ago)

Starsailor - Four To The Floor (Jacques Lu Cont Mix)

LOCK THREAD anytime this song comes up

gaseous (gaseous), Sunday, 27 August 2006 09:20 (nineteen years ago)

I mean, just cause it's the best song ever.. merely MENTIONING it nails everything in sight, regardless of imagined genre or whatever

gaseous (gaseous), Sunday, 27 August 2006 09:34 (nineteen years ago)

The first song I thought of was "Flashdance." I remember hearing that Deep Dish finally had a new track out and I excitedly downloaded it, and once it started playng I was like "oh, THAT song??" It didn't sound anything like them.

Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Sunday, 27 August 2006 10:47 (nineteen years ago)

The common element in all the stuff for me, aside from the omnipresent "slight electro edge" to most of it, is the absolute stonking bog-standard drum sounds and drum beats. So much of the music is gorgeous and inventive, but it must be lashed down to these totally inconsequential beats, slightly "peppy" and propulsive but offering nothing else.

Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Sunday, 27 August 2006 10:54 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah "Flashdance" is pretty central. it's amazing how much Paul Oakenfold's single with Brittany Murphy sounds like it.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Sunday, 27 August 2006 11:06 (nineteen years ago)

Tim, Inaya Day - "Nasty Girl" is INCREDIBLE! Thank you! (Although still - it's got those horrible drum beats.)

Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Sunday, 27 August 2006 11:15 (nineteen years ago)

You might like her version of "The Glamorous Life" as well, though it's slightly more subdued.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Sunday, 27 August 2006 11:56 (nineteen years ago)

So much of the music is gorgeous and inventive, but it must be lashed down to these totally inconsequential beats

you sound like an idm snob dismissing early basic channel!

the art ensemble of chicago house (vahid), Sunday, 27 August 2006 15:51 (nineteen years ago)

I WANT COMPLEX BEATS

=(

the art ensemble of chicago house (vahid), Sunday, 27 August 2006 15:52 (nineteen years ago)

I like a thumping kick as much as the next man, but these records don't even have any space between the kick, which is way too low in the mix anyway, there are plenty of non haircut house records which are banging and crazy and fun.

Ronan (Ronan), Sunday, 27 August 2006 19:45 (nineteen years ago)

Also this might be a time to ask, Vahid have you heard much Claude Vonstroke, I reckon you would love "The Whistler" and to a slightly lesser extent "Beware Of Bird"

Ronan (Ronan), Sunday, 27 August 2006 19:46 (nineteen years ago)

yeah claude von stroke is fine.

i guess i am just shocked by the normative attitude so many people are taking towards haircut house. it's the equivalent of when people say "god i HATE reggaeton, every song has the SAME stupid beat", without even evaluating the strengths that the reggaeton producer is trying to play up and the priorities of the reggaeton fans.

i posted audio links to like a dozen haircut house tracks that i thought were GREAT examples of post-braxe/falke commercial house and people completely ignored it ...

anyway, what's the point of actually talking about songs when we could be going on like true idiots about "the triumph of style over substance" and "the masses"?

the art ensemble of chicago house (vahid), Sunday, 27 August 2006 23:37 (nineteen years ago)

I don't think Tracer is complaining about the complexity of the beats so much as their specific sound relative to other straightforward house grooves? Perhaps he wants more snare/hi-hat action? A lot of these tracks have beats that feel like a half-hearted concession to "live" drumming, as if they feel obliged to acknowledge rock in the rhythm as well as the sampled guitars and snotty vocals. This often results in them falling b/w two stools somewhat - none of the variation you get from real live drumming but also none of the interesting textural interplay one gets from traditional house percussion.

Like straightforward techstep tracks made using live sounding drum samples or (worse) live drummers - it would be better to just give in and use "To Shape The Future" sound mechanical noises!

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Monday, 28 August 2006 01:12 (nineteen years ago)

hmmm ... maybe now we're talking about different styles of stuff? because i guess i'm thinking of electro-inflected work on labels like slip'n'slide, onephatdeeva, defected, milk'n'sugar and so on ... not much rock there, just straightforward workmanlike "soulful" house with a strong 80s / electro vibe.

but when you say "sampled guitars" / "snotty vocals" ... this sounds more like sander kleinberg or freeform five?

the art ensemble of chicago house (vahid), Monday, 28 August 2006 02:37 (nineteen years ago)

Tracer was talking about Deep Dish's "Flashdance" remember. I would say the stuff you're talking about heavily overlaps with but is not reducible to "haircut house" as it's defined in this thread (nor vice versa).

Most of the stuff you're talking about sounds much more obviously house-proper, albeit with electro components, a la the first half of the Mei Lwun mix. Haircut House is more like the last few tracks on the Mei Lwun mix.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Monday, 28 August 2006 03:04 (nineteen years ago)

Paul Mac - check out his profile/photos at

I can't believe no-one said "omg registered ratty to thread" already

k b (kit brash), Monday, 28 August 2006 11:17 (nineteen years ago)

he's having his hair cut.

genital hyphys (haitch), Monday, 28 August 2006 11:43 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah I mean obv I can enjoy just a Roland bass kick with no variation given the right circumstances.. vahid it's funny what you say about IDM vs. basic channel, I mean I find the rhythms created by interplay of wobbly bass and beats in basical channel 1,000,000,000 times more interesting and sinuous than 99% of, I dunno, Shitmat-style or Hrvatski freak-a-leek DSP bonkersness. Not to mention it's more fun to dance to. I think Tim is right about much of this stuff's nod to rock liveness in the sonics of its drum sounds, yet without any liveness in the beats themselves, how they're applied and I dunno it just all sounds like not only does it comes from the exact same preset bank of samples, but the beat patterns themselves do, too: peppy, upbeat, move on. To me it just comes off as total disinterest in "funktionalism", more about "the song." Which isn't so bad, you can just ignore the drums, but it's not as fun (for me) to dance to.

Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Monday, 28 August 2006 11:47 (nineteen years ago)

"To me it just comes off as total disinterest in "funktionalism", more about "the song.""

To take this further, I think it's at least partly about dance producers attempting to establish some distance between themselves and (what they conceive as being) conventional dance music. Rogue Traders called their new album Here Come The Drums (after the line in "Voodoo Child") and there's a sense in which "drums" here is important, this notion of drums vs beats.

Actually one of the more extreme examples of this I can think of is Basement Jaxx's "Plug It In", which hardly sounds like house anymore. Compare and contrast with "Get Me Off" and (most of) "Where's Your Head At", both of which derive a lot of their force from heavy(handed) use of house percussion.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Monday, 28 August 2006 11:54 (nineteen years ago)

"polo shirts with expensive tracksuit pants and thongs???
-- PARTYMAN (wt...), August 10th, 2006 7:00 AM. (dubplatestyle) (later)"

It just occurred to me that Jess's surprise re my description of the haircut house-listening law student's attire must stem from him thinking I meant "thong" as in Sisqo rather than "thong" as in John Kerry.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Monday, 28 August 2006 12:46 (nineteen years ago)

You didn't mean thong as in Sisqo???

Ronan (Ronan), Monday, 28 August 2006 13:02 (nineteen years ago)

In Australia we use "thong" the way everyone else uses "flip-flop", I think.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Monday, 28 August 2006 13:07 (nineteen years ago)

fact: sisqo's primary australian fanbase was foot fetishists.

genital hyphys (haitch), Monday, 28 August 2006 13:39 (nineteen years ago)

From Associated Newspaper's new London Lite freesheet thingy (courtesy of RickyT from elsewhere). Existence of Haircut House Proven By Science:

Plug in for a charge of Electro therapy

The rumours were false: clubland is not dead. It was just resting. To be fair, the sort of bacchanalian nightclub that would probably see P.Diddy pronounce it "a bit much" did dwindle, replaced by identikit dancetarias playing pop trance and filled with hard-faced blokes and women who looked like they had put on blusher with the vigour of someone brushing a horse.

Elsewhere, it was all "The Strokes this" and "NME that" and "oh, you still listen to dance music do you?" Guitar based rock was the hot ticket and gig-going became the new clubbing.

Now, I LIKE incredibly loud, raucous sounds. Don't get me wrong. I watched Big Brother and I once dated a woman with two children. But this was a sad time as dance music, the most vibrant youth culture since punk (and which lasted 10 times as long) appeared to be withering on the vine.

Or was it? Slowly, from about March this year, coming out of the annual dance industry jamboree that is the Miami Winter Music Conference, a sound emerged that caught the ear of tastemaker DJs, producers and, crucially, punters. It had funk, it had bass and it had immediate appeal across different dance music tribes. It's called electro and it's the sound of summer.

The appeal of this dirty, bassy sound ranges from cool London pirate stations such as Passion FM through to the Hed Kandi-style funky house disco-pubs where tanned young chaps and girls in short skirts slug Bacardi Breezers by the bucketful. Not since rave has a sound been so universally popular, with traditional House DJs such as Eric Morillo playing the same records as the darkest "grime" DJs. Listen to the Tocadisco mix of The Egg's Walking Away or Mandy's Body language or anything on the German Kompakt label and you will see why dance music has pulled itself out of the doldrums. Electro is the sound of now and it's brilliant.

[Stuff about where to hear this exciting new sound omitted]

The dance floor has been invigorated. Go seek out some electro-shock therapy.

COMEDY.

Matt DC (Matt DC), Tuesday, 29 August 2006 11:57 (nineteen years ago)

i can't really imagine diddy using the phrase "a bit much"

s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 29 August 2006 12:02 (nineteen years ago)

two years pass...

REVIVE!

How do people think Haircut House, the scene, has changed in the last two and a bit years?

It strikes me that the distance I once perceived b/w "Haircut House" and "indieclash" has shrunk remarkably - I could totally imagine hearing "This Boy's In Love" and "Hearts On Fire" at those BBQs now. i really must stop and pay attention next time i'm at uni.

Whereas I don't think Rogue Traders would get a look in now (poss. exception of "What You're On", which is more like a "Chase The Sun" throwback anyway).

Dirty South and Vandalism really are the pits though, possibly the worst that music gets in 2008. I had to rewrite a review of a Vandalism single I did for the local street press cos my editor thought it came across like I had a personal (non-music) grudge.

But what I really came on here to say is: LADY GAGA. Uniting Haircut House and US Stargate R&B so I don't have to. Only I don't like her AT ALL. She is the ugly face of the 2008 4X4 & Autotune consensus. Catherine likes her though and I trust Catherine when it comes to sorting the Haircut wheat from the chaff (see upthread) so maybe this is just me?

What are the big Haircut House tunes of the last twelve months or so eh

that track sampling Boom Crash Opera's "The Best Thing" (strictly an Oz ting)
Vandalism "Smash Disco" - awful, a true nadir
The Potbelleez "Don't Hold Back" - a classic albeit overplayed
Fedde De Grand throughout 2007
Axwell "I Found U" wotta tune
that remix/mash-up of Robin S's "Show Me Love"

Tim F, Monday, 29 September 2008 14:19 (seventeen years ago)

Haha I saw this band at a festival in Portugal and thought of this thread.

Matt DC, Monday, 29 September 2008 14:25 (seventeen years ago)

this is still the most baffling thread ever

lex pretend, Monday, 29 September 2008 14:25 (seventeen years ago)

yeah kings of leon kind of are haircut music aren't they? or the killers!

I actually think some of those JLC remixes of the Killers would fit well as haircut house, tho obv they aren't the exact gear grinding sound itself.

Local Garda, Monday, 29 September 2008 14:33 (seventeen years ago)

haircut house canon anyone?

eric prydz-call on me=god

fedde le grande-put your hands up for detroit=jesus

that remix of steve bug's remix of the freaks with the terrible vocal=the holy spirit

Local Garda, Monday, 29 September 2008 14:34 (seventeen years ago)

http://www.residentadvisor.net/images/reviews/2008/thecountandsinden-beeper.jpg

Elephant in room 2008.

Matt DC, Monday, 29 September 2008 14:36 (seventeen years ago)

i love 'beeper'!! but it has nothing to do with eg 'call on me'.

lex pretend, Monday, 29 September 2008 14:39 (seventeen years ago)

gigantic menacing elephant...devouring all other elephants in room.

Local Garda, Monday, 29 September 2008 14:39 (seventeen years ago)

and lex don't say this has nothing to do with "call on me"

Local Garda, Monday, 29 September 2008 14:40 (seventeen years ago)

if you squint a lot, yes, but then i presume everyone's eyes are totally screwed anyway from the contortions of trying to look at all the songs mentioned on this thread through the same prism

lex pretend, Monday, 29 September 2008 14:43 (seventeen years ago)

im way intrigued by this thread because it seems like the american fan base of 'haircut house' is v. different from what it seems to be in australia/the uk

Barack HUSSEIN Obama (max), Monday, 29 September 2008 14:47 (seventeen years ago)

I'm not sure what Ronan's giant menacing elephant is. Is it Utah Saints - Something Good 2008?

Matt DC, Monday, 29 September 2008 14:48 (seventeen years ago)

i presume it's 'wearing my rolex' though can i just take a moment to say how much i hate youtube embeds, they totally kill my computer

lex pretend, Monday, 29 September 2008 14:49 (seventeen years ago)

sorry lex. i'll buy you a beer.

Local Garda, Monday, 29 September 2008 15:06 (seventeen years ago)

it is indeed "wearing my rolex"

Local Garda, Monday, 29 September 2008 15:06 (seventeen years ago)

can we fit arto mwambe's new one on this thread? please germans everyone make this music and we can shout from the rooftops that a new cheesey shit trendy vacuous hype driven empty wonderful genre has been born and nobody is "getting their dues"

Local Garda, Monday, 29 September 2008 15:07 (seventeen years ago)

Thanks to this thread I now have Calvin Harris going "I get all the girls I get all the girls" over and over and over in my head.

Matt DC, Monday, 29 September 2008 15:08 (seventeen years ago)

is there any instrumental HH? the original 'Yeah Yeah' maybe (apart from the vocoder bit and the 'wooo!')

They're a '90s odd couple. And an odds-on choice for laughs. (blueski), Monday, 29 September 2008 15:18 (seventeen years ago)

"It strikes me that the distance I once perceived b/w "Haircut House" and "indieclash" has shrunk remarkably"

this is just an australian thing, i'm guessing? i dunno, over here in Croatia haircut house usually gets played in mainstream clubs alongside more trad Freemasons-type house, while the indieclash crowd may dance to some fidget or blog house - but nothing much further on the house spectrum. as for the rest of the Europe/world, don't know really, but if i was to judge by various mp3 blogs i sometimes visit, i'd say that indieclashers don't have much interest in haircut house except a Laidback Luke remix here and there, wjile the mersh house dudes are more likely to dip into, say, Deadmau5 or Adam K & Soha-style trancey progressive than indieclash.

since i don't go much to mainstream clubs, i don't know what the big hits are over here (other than the obvious ones, "Let Me Think About It", "I Found U", etc), so i can only recommend some stuff i've enjoyed this year:

<a href=";>Klaas - The Way (At Night Mix)</a>
ok, this one might be too funky & liquid for this thread, as opposed to Klaas' usual big synths+big guitar breakdowns template which he's still flogging to death and which i'm increasingly annoyed by (though, to be fair, i like <a href=";>this one</a> alot), but it's great and deserves to be heard, so there you go!

<a href=";>Dave Spoon feat. Lisa Maffia - Bad Girl (At Night)</a>
can't deny it, i'm a sucker for build-ups with swelling buzzsaw riffs like this one. (also: <a href=";>Guetta & Garraud's Kylie rmx</a>

<a href=";>Michael Mind - Don't Walk Away</a>
bit of an acquired taste, this one: while the main bouncy synth/bass hook is immediately enjoyable, the rocky intermezzos sound like Michael Cretu (ie, the Enigma guy) doing Linkin Park! i, of course, have the stomach for it, but if you don't, the Sunloverz (ie, Michael Mind + some other guy) remix of Whigfield's "Think of You" does the same thing, minus the rocky bits.

<a href=";>Remi Nicole - Rock n Roll (Soul Seekerz Edit)</a>
as far as Bodyrox ripoffs go, this beats the hell out of all the crap that Wideboys have been churning out on an almost daily basis recently.

totally agree on Dirty South and Vandalism, though i'll admit to not minding Vandalism's "spank da nun" rmx of Happy Clappers' "I Believe". by-the-book banging electro house + by-the-book banging piano house + big drop feat. a SNARE ROLL = obvious but it works.

Mind Taker, Monday, 29 September 2008 16:35 (seventeen years ago)

uh... sorry about that! i'll try once more, this time with the new formating in mind

Klaas - The Way (At Night Mix)
love this, although it admittedly might be too, hm... funky, swinging, liquid for this thread? as opposed to Klaas' usual big synths+big guitar breakdowns template, which he's still flogging to death and which i'm increasingly annoyed by... though, to be fair, i like this one too:

Dave Spoon feat. Lisa Maffia - Bad Girl (At Night)
can't deny it, i'm a sucker for build-ups with swelling buzzsaw riffs like this one. also, Guetta & Garraud's Kylie rmx on a similar tip:

Michael Mind - Don't Walk Away
bit of an acquired taste, this one: while the main bouncy synth/bass hook is immediately enjoyable, the rocky intermezzos sound like Michael Cretu (ie, the Enigma guy) doing Linkin Park! i, of course, have the stomach for it, but if you don't, the Sunloverz (ie, Michael Mind + some other guy) remix of Whigfield's "Think of You" does the same thing, minus the rocky bits.

Remi Nicole - Rock n Roll (Soul Seekerz Edit)
as far as Bodyrox ripoffs go, this beats the hell out of all the crap that Wideboys have been churning out on (almost literally!) daily basis recently.

totally agree on Dirty South and Vandalism, though i'll admit to not minding Vandalism's "spank da nun" rmx of Happy Clappers' "I Believe". by-the-book banging electro house + by-the-book banging piano house + big drop feat. a SNARE ROLL = obvious but it works.

Mind Taker, Monday, 29 September 2008 16:48 (seventeen years ago)

kylie / guetta & garraud:

michael mind:

remi nicole / soul seekerz:

Mind Taker, Monday, 29 September 2008 16:52 (seventeen years ago)


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