Let's predict Pitchfork's No. 1 song of the '60s!

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The Beatles would be too obvious. Anything Motown would be too black. I'm putting my money on something Pink Floyd, so they can hope on what's left of the Dead Syd Barrett bandwagon.

No wait, it'll be The Beach Boys. It'll be Good Vibrations, I know it.

Domenico Buttez (ESTEBAN BUTTEZ~!!!), Wednesday, 16 August 2006 13:33 (nineteen years ago)

it'll be 'Careometer' by The .Jpgs

Konal Doddz (blueski), Wednesday, 16 August 2006 13:34 (nineteen years ago)

Good Lovin' by the Rascals, probably.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 16 August 2006 13:36 (nineteen years ago)

http://img.theatermania.com/images/show/img/119250img2.jpg

PARTYMAN (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 16 August 2006 13:40 (nineteen years ago)

'amen, brother' by the winstons.

Bashment Jakes (Enrique), Wednesday, 16 August 2006 13:48 (nineteen years ago)

"Must Be Madison" by the Joe Loss Orchestra.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 16 August 2006 13:54 (nineteen years ago)

"Tomorrow Never Knows"

Good Dog (Good Dog), Wednesday, 16 August 2006 14:24 (nineteen years ago)

Something weird inside me says they'll try make us fall in love with "Paperback Writer" all over again. But I haven't read the Wednesday update yet, let's see...

Doctor Casino (Doctor Casino), Wednesday, 16 August 2006 14:26 (nineteen years ago)

I'd say Beatles or Beach Boys would be the safe money bets.

o. nate (onate), Wednesday, 16 August 2006 14:27 (nineteen years ago)

If Beatles, probably something from Revolver and written by Lennon - so "Tomorrow Never Knows" is a good guess.

o. nate (onate), Wednesday, 16 August 2006 14:28 (nineteen years ago)

You are all mad mental rules. The correct and only answer is Bob Dillon's classic melodic howls of protests, "Like The Rolling Stones."

Comstock Carabineri (nostudium), Wednesday, 16 August 2006 14:36 (nineteen years ago)

THE RONETTES - BE MY BABY

Aditya (dan138zig), Wednesday, 16 August 2006 14:37 (nineteen years ago)

crimson + clover

Jimmy Mod: THE HANDLESS ORGANIST (The Famous Jimmy Mod), Wednesday, 16 August 2006 14:50 (nineteen years ago)

BALLAD OF THE GREEN BERETS

David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 16 August 2006 14:51 (nineteen years ago)

Perhaps "A Day in the Life" or "Like a Rolling Stone"....

Jessica Musselwhite (jessica brooke), Wednesday, 16 August 2006 14:52 (nineteen years ago)

"Love Is Like A Violin" by Ken Dodd.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 16 August 2006 14:54 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.lasvegas-nv.com/showpics/don-rickles.jpg

PARTYMAN (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 16 August 2006 14:55 (nineteen years ago)

"Back Home". Americans wouldn't know it was from 1970 because they're all lol stupid.

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Wednesday, 16 August 2006 14:56 (nineteen years ago)

Twenty-First Century Schizoid Man would be my pick, but it won't (barring a miracle/collective stroke) be Pitchfork's.

Louis Jagger (Haberdager), Wednesday, 16 August 2006 14:57 (nineteen years ago)

THE STOOGES - I WANNA BE YOUR DOG
VELVET UNDERGROUND - HEROIN

Aditya (dan138zig), Wednesday, 16 August 2006 14:59 (nineteen years ago)

god only knows

travis randy (travis randy), Wednesday, 16 August 2006 15:04 (nineteen years ago)

Pat Boone - "moody river"

timmy tannin (pompous), Wednesday, 16 August 2006 15:10 (nineteen years ago)

1960s whatever, it'll still be a song from Pablo Honey.

i second good vibrations

P1 (xcxre9), Wednesday, 16 August 2006 15:10 (nineteen years ago)

After viewing the list up to #61, somehow I think "Da Doo Ron Ron" and "Bridge Over Troubled Waters" are in good shape to take the top spot. However, the Beatles and Beach Boys have been virtually invisible to this point, and Dylan and the Stones are starting to use up all their slots, so I think we're going to find the consensus right about where rockist CW would put it. Not that that's necessarily a bad thing.

Doctor Casino (Doctor Casino), Wednesday, 16 August 2006 15:15 (nineteen years ago)

heroin -- #77

Jimmy Mod: THE HANDLESS ORGANIST (The Famous Jimmy Mod), Wednesday, 16 August 2006 15:25 (nineteen years ago)

Good Vibrations thirded.

Hook gets the popists, legacy gets the rockists, theremin gets the geeks.

Whiney G. Weingarten (whineyg), Wednesday, 16 August 2006 15:41 (nineteen years ago)

I'd be happy if "Sittin on the Dock of the Bay" took it, but, well, the first poster is probably right.

Roadkill Bingo (Roadkill Bingo), Wednesday, 16 August 2006 15:51 (nineteen years ago)

GOD ONLY KNOWS DAMNIT!

It has to be!

Torgeir Hansen (MRZBW), Wednesday, 16 August 2006 16:03 (nineteen years ago)

Old Pitchfork— Venus in Furs
New Pitchfork— Yellow Submarine

js (honestengine), Wednesday, 16 August 2006 16:14 (nineteen years ago)

Or maybe Never Say Never Again by the Beegees.

js (honestengine), Wednesday, 16 August 2006 16:23 (nineteen years ago)

New Pitchfork— Yellow Submarine

Close! It's a tie between "Hey Bulldog" and "Only a Northern Song" [Anthology 2 version]

marc h. (marc h.), Wednesday, 16 August 2006 16:26 (nineteen years ago)

WRONG! IT'S HAPPY TOGETHER!

SUCK IT

David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 16 August 2006 16:30 (nineteen years ago)

Also, the day Buttez is actually right is the day I start proudly shitting myself.

David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 16 August 2006 16:31 (nineteen years ago)

they'll probably pick something that was actually released in 1970 by mistake.

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 16 August 2006 16:43 (nineteen years ago)

Mr. Tambourine Man... I hope.

I think "Like a Rolling Stone" and "Tomorrow Never Knows" are a bit too overdone, and they'll probably try to promote some other song by either the Beatles or Dylan to the top spot. One that's great and probably quite famous, but not too obvious.

graf cycliz (graf cycliz), Wednesday, 16 August 2006 16:45 (nineteen years ago)

I'm leaning toward "God Only Knows" as well.

I want to say "Kick Out The Jams," but that'll probably turn up around #25 or so.

mike a (mike a), Wednesday, 16 August 2006 16:50 (nineteen years ago)

Kick Out the Jams didn't even clear the top 100

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 16 August 2006 16:51 (nineteen years ago)

Coltrane's "Ole" would be fantastic.

grand (grand), Wednesday, 16 August 2006 17:59 (nineteen years ago)

Is "I Want You Back" out yet? I'm having trouble opening Pitchfork.

Tape Store (Tape Store), Wednesday, 16 August 2006 18:04 (nineteen years ago)

I AM WILLING TO BET MY BALLS IT'S 'LIKE A ROLLING STONE'. if it's not then it will confirm how inappropriate it is that pitchforkmedia.com is listing the top 500 (?) songs (?) of the 60s (?). they should stick to listing their top 500 roommates they "break" through their glorified advertising pyramid scheme webpage.

shock of daylight (shock of daylight), Wednesday, 16 August 2006 18:11 (nineteen years ago)

so much wrong

Dominique (dleone), Wednesday, 16 August 2006 18:15 (nineteen years ago)

"Read Pitchfork Friday.... one ILX poster's balls depend on it!"

marc h. (marc h.), Wednesday, 16 August 2006 18:16 (nineteen years ago)

"God Only Knows" seconded.

glorified advertising pyramid scheme webpage. Excuse me?

joseph cotten (joseph cotten), Wednesday, 16 August 2006 18:16 (nineteen years ago)

it would've been funnier if i had said "testicles."

marc h. (marc h.), Wednesday, 16 August 2006 18:19 (nineteen years ago)

Yes! By placing hundreds of Neighborhoodies ads across thousands of record reviews, Ryan Schreiber has made enough cheddar to buy a RoboSapien for every staff member! AND YOU CAN, TOO!

David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 16 August 2006 18:20 (nineteen years ago)

All I can say is that if it isn't "Moon River," I'm going to have a whole lot of cat-dismemberment threats to follow through on.

P.S. "Chega de Saudade" was released in 1959, so I guess I can stomach it we shave off a few points on a technicality and slot it in at #2.

nabisco (nabisco), Wednesday, 16 August 2006 18:22 (nineteen years ago)

Oogum Boogum Song

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Wednesday, 16 August 2006 18:23 (nineteen years ago)

Seriously, though, I'm pretty sure Allan Sherman has this one locked up.

nabisco (nabisco), Wednesday, 16 August 2006 18:27 (nineteen years ago)

The intro's a feint. It's Light My Fire.

someteenpartying (someteenpartying), Wednesday, 16 August 2006 18:31 (nineteen years ago)

I wrote in "Eve of Destruction" as my #1.

David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 16 August 2006 18:32 (nineteen years ago)

Art Brut by a nose

marc h. (marc h.), Wednesday, 16 August 2006 18:41 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.myspace.com/estebanbuttez

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Wednesday, 16 August 2006 18:44 (nineteen years ago)

For the next PFpoll, I'm voting for Tom Green's "The Bum-Bum Song (Lonely Swedish)."

David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 16 August 2006 18:54 (nineteen years ago)

It should be "A Change is Gonna Come".

polyphonic (polyphonic), Wednesday, 16 August 2006 19:09 (nineteen years ago)

I predict a strong showing for "Lily the Pink"

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Wednesday, 16 August 2006 19:21 (nineteen years ago)

Vastly inferior to ILX's 60s poll. And what's with no Beatles?

musically (musically), Wednesday, 16 August 2006 19:40 (nineteen years ago)

another archie bell and the drells song

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Wednesday, 16 August 2006 19:51 (nineteen years ago)

Above "Tighten Up?" (#2 or #3 of the decade, I think I said)

nabisco (nabisco), Wednesday, 16 August 2006 19:51 (nineteen years ago)

It will be Good Vibrations.
Though Glad All Over would be a brave choice.

zeus (zeus), Wednesday, 16 August 2006 19:52 (nineteen years ago)

"Itsy Bitsy Teenie Weenie Yellow Polka Dot Bikini"

marc h. (marc h.), Wednesday, 16 August 2006 19:57 (nineteen years ago)

Wow, looks like PFM doesn't load on my computer anymore unless I look through it from a proxy or find the cached pages. Another website bites the dust.

Cunga (Cunga), Wednesday, 16 August 2006 20:10 (nineteen years ago)

No Milk Today

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Wednesday, 16 August 2006 20:12 (nineteen years ago)

I have form. I predicted Passantino's Lily Allen review correctly, kids.

Domenico Buttez (ESTEBAN BUTTEZ~!!!), Wednesday, 16 August 2006 20:39 (nineteen years ago)

i was gonna say. though there's a good chance that you are passantino.

aaron d.g. (aaron d.g.), Wednesday, 16 August 2006 21:20 (nineteen years ago)

The Beatles- "revolution 9"

Chris Grasinger (gman59), Wednesday, 16 August 2006 21:25 (nineteen years ago)

i'd be willing to bet that daydream believer will be in the top 10

robert anderson (venimdenim), Wednesday, 16 August 2006 23:34 (nineteen years ago)

but the winner will be: (i cant get no) satisfaction by the stones

robert anderson (venimdenim), Wednesday, 16 August 2006 23:41 (nineteen years ago)

everyone should post their ballots and let ilm do the math

PARTYMAN (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 16 August 2006 23:43 (nineteen years ago)

The Fans, "Roly Poly Mickey Lolich"

nate p. (natepatrin), Thursday, 17 August 2006 00:14 (nineteen years ago)

Honestly- who on the PFM staff do we believe has the longevity of listening to this stuff to be able to accurately defend the order these songs are ranked in.

Anthony Lombardi (CCPO), Thursday, 17 August 2006 00:43 (nineteen years ago)

richardson is like 53.

PARTYMAN (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 17 August 2006 00:44 (nineteen years ago)

Strongo looks mid-40s.

Also, we consulted w/ DeRo via his interns. They were totes helpful.

David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 17 August 2006 00:46 (nineteen years ago)

Instead of calling it "The 200 Greatest Songs of the 1960s," you coulda called "Here's Our Little Poll," though.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Thursday, 17 August 2006 00:51 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, because tons of folks are going to think Pitchfork is making a definitive statement that encompasses everyone and everything, instead of assuming that this is representative of Pitchfork.

David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 17 August 2006 00:53 (nineteen years ago)

Just sayin'.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Thursday, 17 August 2006 00:55 (nineteen years ago)

And we thank you for your support.

Bartles &/or James (popshots75`), Thursday, 17 August 2006 00:56 (nineteen years ago)

At the end of the day, the site can do what it likes, but why not explore writing about the singles as an extra column or something instead of the endless listing and ranking which- sorry to say, devalues the project.

Anthony Lombardi (CCPO), Thursday, 17 August 2006 01:01 (nineteen years ago)

I'll let PARTYMAN field this one.

David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 17 August 2006 01:02 (nineteen years ago)

Defining Pitchfork as being representative of "a generation" is some real hubris!

the 200 songs that most resonate with a generation too young to have experienced the decade firsthand, but old enough to know it had more to offer than "(I Can't Get No) Satisfaction"

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Thursday, 17 August 2006 01:07 (nineteen years ago)

I think AMG represents my generation.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Thursday, 17 August 2006 01:10 (nineteen years ago)

Instead of calling it "The 200 Greatest Songs of the 1960s," you coulda called "Here's Our Little Poll," though.

I think that all "GREATEST ____ OF ALL TIME" lists should be similarly renamed.

Yeah, because tons of folks are going to think Pitchfork is making a definitive statement that encompasses everyone and everything, instead of assuming that this is representative of Pitchfork.

Exactly! People are goofy about the limitations of knowledge.

Cunga (Cunga), Thursday, 17 August 2006 01:25 (nineteen years ago)

Awesome - I got sonned by a twee hippie in a bullshit semantics beef!

David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 17 August 2006 01:31 (nineteen years ago)

It's not that people are going to think that it's an entirely definitive statement, but it's unclear how serious it IS intended, esp. w/r/t the "How knowledgable are they exactly - or how knowledgable do they think they are - if they're going to have a poll with that name?" issue that Anthony brought up. I would say!

x-post!

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Thursday, 17 August 2006 01:32 (nineteen years ago)

hahaha

PARTYMAN (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 17 August 2006 01:33 (nineteen years ago)

i just write about the songs they tell me to

PARTYMAN (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 17 August 2006 01:35 (nineteen years ago)

amazon.com represents my generation.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Thursday, 17 August 2006 01:47 (nineteen years ago)

Instead of calling it "The 200 Greatest Songs of the 1960s," you coulda called "Here's Our Little Poll," though.

tim, are you available to do some pr work for us? or will you be too busy popping into that "the greatest 1-2 closing punches" thread to suggest alternate names for that, too? ;)

Honestly- who on the PFM staff do we believe has the longevity of listening to this stuff to be able to accurately defend the order these songs are ranked in.

do people still think the p4k staff is a bunch of 18-year-olds who discovered bee thousand last year and thought it would be neat to write about indie rock?

don't answer that.

p.s. "accurately"

scott pl. (scott pl.), Thursday, 17 August 2006 02:35 (nineteen years ago)

do people still think the p4k staff is a bunch of 18-year-olds who discovered bee thousand last year and thought it would be neat to write about indie rock?

No, no, no. People think the Pitchdork staff is a bunch of 25-year-old bitter English Lit grads working at Borders. Possibly because it's probably true.

Domenico Buttez (ESTEBAN BUTTEZ~!!!), Thursday, 17 August 2006 02:43 (nineteen years ago)

I still can't believe they rated the 200 songs before they did an album list.

Chris Grasinger (gman59), Thursday, 17 August 2006 02:46 (nineteen years ago)

I just realised that BOTH Pitchdork and Style-less have Thom Yorke's ugly mug staring at me on their main pages this week.

Jesus weeps :-(

Domenico Buttez (ESTEBAN BUTTEZ~!!!), Thursday, 17 August 2006 02:49 (nineteen years ago)

will you be too busy popping into that "the greatest 1-2 closing punches" thread to suggest alternate names for that, too?

No, I hate that thread.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Thursday, 17 August 2006 02:51 (nineteen years ago)

working at Borders.

pfft, we all work indie bookstores.

scott pl. (scott pl.), Thursday, 17 August 2006 02:56 (nineteen years ago)

YOU WISH!!

Domenico Buttez (ESTEBAN BUTTEZ~!!!), Thursday, 17 August 2006 02:57 (nineteen years ago)

You wouldn't have access to bland coffees or The White Stripes in an indie bookshop anyway.

Domenico Buttez (ESTEBAN BUTTEZ~!!!), Thursday, 17 August 2006 03:00 (nineteen years ago)

I still can't believe they rated the 200 songs before they did an album list.

i can understand the reasoning behind not doing an albums list. but i would at least be interested in seeing individual albums lists from the writers even if they weren't tallied into a consensus one.

i enjoy lists.

aaron d.g. (aaron d.g.), Thursday, 17 August 2006 03:01 (nineteen years ago)

do people still think the p4k staff is a bunch of 18-year-olds who discovered bee thousand last year and thought it would be neat to write about indie rock?

haha

No, but I think that that is the stereotyped image of the PFM audience at this point. But aren't pretentious college kids always the face of indie rock by definition? *sigh* So much confusion.

The idea that PFM "people" are a bunch of pseuds and jerks seem to be as consistent and famous as the idea that all Mojo writers are forty-five year-old men who have Pet Sounds and Odessey and Oracle on repeat while they write sneeringly about 'today's kids and their fake dumb music.'

Cunga (Cunga), Thursday, 17 August 2006 03:19 (nineteen years ago)

http://eil.com/newgallery/Sparks-I-Predict-58406.jpg

timmy tannin (pompous), Thursday, 17 August 2006 03:24 (nineteen years ago)

Ironically, thread not delivering good vibrations.

Whiney G. Weingarten (whineyg), Thursday, 17 August 2006 04:29 (nineteen years ago)

Can't get no satistfaction, Whiney?

js (honestengine), Thursday, 17 August 2006 06:55 (nineteen years ago)

Not a hippie, but I do pledge to stop griping about the banal pap that is this feature if "A Very Cellular Song" makes the Top 50. One single Doors song( to go along with the however-many-Kinks song) will do the trick also.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Thursday, 17 August 2006 07:07 (nineteen years ago)

It'll be Be My Baby, folks.

Aditya (dan138zig), Thursday, 17 August 2006 07:36 (nineteen years ago)

Unrelatedly: "saudade" = a great word, "sonned" = also pretty great

Roque Strew (RoqueStrew), Thursday, 17 August 2006 09:47 (nineteen years ago)

[CONTROVERSIAL MODERATOR EDIT]

PARTYMAN (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 17 August 2006 11:43 (nineteen years ago)

Honestly- who on the PFM staff do we believe has the longevity of listening to this stuff to be able to accurately defend the order these songs are ranked in.

Yeah - the Beatles, the Monkees, Bob Dylan and the Who ... you really don't hear them on the radio anymore.

save the robot (save the robot), Thursday, 17 August 2006 12:19 (nineteen years ago)

The Jackson 5, Dr. John, Chris Clark, White Noise, Country Joe and the Fish, Alice Coltrane... All have top 200 songs that aren't ever on the radio (except occassionally Jackson 5).

js (honestengine), Thursday, 17 August 2006 12:22 (nineteen years ago)

I dig that people will go for the easy, "but you weren't there" criticisms, but one thing I liked about this feature idea is that none of the staffers (except one) was born in the '60s, and it was supposed to treat the songs completely as history. A few songs obviously made the Top 200 because they resurfaced in movies in the '90s or '00s (Dick Dale "Miserilou"). Others just stood the test of time and rose to the top the same way that all music does today - through the Internet. (My mom wore out records like Rubber Soul or Marty Robbins' "El Paso" in college, but never got close to an Os Mutantes album. And she can't stand "Ode to Billie Joe" anymore.)

It's the antithesis of the '60s lists that Rolling Stone runs: it was meant to be a list by people who were not there. And because there's no baby boomer nostalgia or hippie myopia, it's probably a better list!

save the robot (save the robot), Thursday, 17 August 2006 12:26 (nineteen years ago)

BANAL PAP = BLOG NAME IN WAITING

David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 17 August 2006 12:31 (nineteen years ago)

when are they gonna update the thing? it's already friday here.

Charlie Howard (the sphinx), Thursday, 17 August 2006 13:16 (nineteen years ago)

xx-post. You blame the popularity od Os Mutantes on the internet?

Whiney G. Weingarten (whineyg), Thursday, 17 August 2006 13:48 (nineteen years ago)

8 Miles High or Louie Louie, dur.

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Thursday, 17 August 2006 13:58 (nineteen years ago)

You blame the popularity od Os Mutantes on the internet?

Okay, not exactly - they came back through the reissue CDs, right? I just meant that nowadays, people can get their hands on more stuff more quickly, whereas my mom would never have encounterd a physical Os Mutantes album in the '60s.

Sick Mouthy, Louie Louie didn't crack the top 100 - which is fucked up.

save the robot (save the robot), Thursday, 17 August 2006 14:09 (nineteen years ago)

I just wish PFM would load for me this week. I'm getting a proxy error.

jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 17 August 2006 14:10 (nineteen years ago)

I, however, will never understand the "but you weren't there" claims. I mean, the whole reason people do lists like this is because they're TIRED OF READING ABOUT THESE SONGS FROM PEOPLE WHO WERE THERE.

x-post - yeah, I'd like to see what actually made the list today!

Dominique (dleone), Thursday, 17 August 2006 14:15 (nineteen years ago)

DON'T CLICK THE BROWN LINKS, MAN!

Whiney G. Weingarten (whineyg), Thursday, 17 August 2006 17:25 (nineteen years ago)

Forthcoming content from Pitchfork:

Aww, Shucks, So We Made This Little List? -- Like No Big Deal, Just Kinda What We Were Thinking, But You Probably Know More about This Than Us, So Like Grain of Salt and Everything

So I Guess We Got to Interview This Guy? You Totally Should Have Been There, I'll Bet You'd Have Had Good Questions, Too

Mark Hogan Doesn't Really Like This Album, But That's Just, Like, One Guy's Opinion, Why Should You Care What He Thinks?

nabisco (nabisco), Thursday, 17 August 2006 17:28 (nineteen years ago)

"thinking" "thinks" : D

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Thursday, 17 August 2006 17:37 (nineteen years ago)

must...resist...moderator edit urge...

PARTYMAN (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 17 August 2006 17:57 (nineteen years ago)

I, however, will never understand the "but you weren't there" claims.

Certainly not what anyone said here.

Is it not a fairly natural reaction for someone who is really into this music to look at a list from Pitchfork entitled "The 200 Greatest Songs of the 1960s" and immediately go, "Yeah, right." ?

NOT TO BELABOR THE POINT FFS! But people insist on defending the thing.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Thursday, 17 August 2006 18:12 (nineteen years ago)

#21. Good Vibrations

surprise!

a.b. (alanbanana), Thursday, 17 August 2006 18:14 (nineteen years ago)

Tim, I'm not just reacting to this thread, but to comments I've heard elsewhere in relation to the list -- though I will also note that "200 greatest" anything is kind of bullshit, so I guess I don't even pay attention to the titles anymore. I'm sure it is a natural reaction to question the validity of any list, for any number of reasons (--if I had to pick one about this list, it would be more about the genesis of the song selection, but that's another story--), I'm just surprised that so many (ie, more than 0) people took the list as anything other than something to read for fun.

Dominique (dleone), Thursday, 17 August 2006 18:20 (nineteen years ago)

I just want to apologize for misspelling Marc's name in my joke. It's actually "Hoeghan."

nabisco (nabisco), Thursday, 17 August 2006 18:23 (nineteen years ago)

I'm just surprised that so many (ie, more than 0) people took the list as anything other than something to read for fun.

I wasn't. Just describing response to the title. (Btw, your "Hot Fun in the Summertime" blurb today is the best of the ones I've read so far.)

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Thursday, 17 August 2006 18:27 (nineteen years ago)

These lists always just serve as download guides for me.

jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 17 August 2006 18:27 (nineteen years ago)

What are the two Beatles songs we have left? One's got to be "Tomorrow Never Knows," right?

jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 17 August 2006 18:28 (nineteen years ago)

At least use a Beach Boys picture with Brian Wilson in it if you're going to talk about Good Vibrations, p4k...

musically (musically), Thursday, 17 August 2006 18:28 (nineteen years ago)

haha, I thought the same thing!

Dominique (dleone), Thursday, 17 August 2006 18:29 (nineteen years ago)

It's a metaphor. It's a picture of Brian Wilson holed up in the studio working on "Good Vibrations," see?

nabisco (nabisco), Thursday, 17 August 2006 18:32 (nineteen years ago)

(and thanks Tim)

Dominique (dleone), Thursday, 17 August 2006 18:37 (nineteen years ago)

NOT TO BELABOR THE POINT FFS!

BECAUSE THAT WOULD BE TOTALLY UNLIKE YOU, TIM!

Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Thursday, 17 August 2006 18:43 (nineteen years ago)

yah, these kinds of lists probably aren't made for ilm type freeks. most of the songs are typical oldies radio station playlist fare. but, hey, i like typical oldies radio station fare. it's just, you know, not all that surprising or anything. i am enjoying some of the blurbs in a mean kind of fun way. but not nitsuh's or dominique's. i would make fun of one of jess's blurbs, but i can't find any. i will have to make do with making fun of his tortoise boxed-set rave. hahahahahahaha!

scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 17 August 2006 18:45 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah excuse me for trying to make a point clear against a bullheaded response, jerk.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Thursday, 17 August 2006 19:02 (nineteen years ago)

"in my room"

and nico didn't write these days, jackson browne did.

bananasssss (dayvidday), Thursday, 17 August 2006 19:06 (nineteen years ago)

There's a live version of "These Days" by Jackson Browne and Warren Zevon that I adore.

Anyway everyone who didn't predict "Proxy Error" by the Poxy Fules owes me a coke. That's a coke, you hipster nu-tweeists, you.

marc h. (marc h.), Thursday, 17 August 2006 19:10 (nineteen years ago)

*discovers own pick at 104*

Ah well, I wasn't even particularly hopeful of seeing it in the list at all. It's still IMO the most forward-thinking, brutally-compelling song the 60's ever produced, but then again we had to wait for the 70's for Yes to really get going. ;-D

Scourage (Haberdager), Thursday, 17 August 2006 19:15 (nineteen years ago)

i am enjoying some of the blurbs in a mean kind of fun way. but not nitsuh's or dominique's.

DUDE!

David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 17 August 2006 19:16 (nineteen years ago)

(What is Dayvid talking about? Who on this thread or on Pitchfork said Nico wrote "These Days?")

(Also who will agree with me that "I'm Not Saying" is just as great?)

nabisco (nabisco), Thursday, 17 August 2006 19:21 (nineteen years ago)

"DUDE!"

what?

scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 17 August 2006 19:25 (nineteen years ago)

all the silly stuff i read was by people i don't know. although i would have to disagree with my pal amy about crimson & clover being the greatest white people fucking song ever.

scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 17 August 2006 19:31 (nineteen years ago)

DUDE!

marc h. (marc h.), Thursday, 17 August 2006 19:34 (nineteen years ago)

most of mine are higher up!

PARTYMAN (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 17 August 2006 19:36 (nineteen years ago)

dooooooooooooooood

David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 17 August 2006 19:45 (nineteen years ago)

i will begin auctioning off their placements...now.

PARTYMAN (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 17 August 2006 19:46 (nineteen years ago)

düd

David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 17 August 2006 19:47 (nineteen years ago)

BE MY BABY AT [CONTROVERSIAL MOD EDIT]

PARTYMAN (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 17 August 2006 19:50 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.cineclub.de/images/2001/the_big_lebowski_2.jpg

David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 17 August 2006 19:52 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.pictub.com/users/2006/01/08/ian/albums/Dumper/photos/duder.jpg

marc h. (marc h.), Thursday, 17 August 2006 20:01 (nineteen years ago)

Damn. "I Heard It Through The Grapevine" outside the top 20? I suppose there's little possibility of "Reach Out I'll Be There" being there. "Then He Kissed Me" would be a nice surprise - yes, a classic but I feel it equals even "Be My Baby." Phil Spector really is the patron saint of castanets.

Antti Piirainen (Antti), Thursday, 17 August 2006 20:27 (nineteen years ago)

Remaining 2 Beatles songs: Tomorrow Never Knows seconded, but the fifth?
I'm going for "A Day In The Life".

zeus (zeus), Thursday, 17 August 2006 20:56 (nineteen years ago)

There must be a Nuggets song in the Top 10 (I'd choose "Liar Liar", but they will "Dirty Water"), also a Captain Beefhart (can't name any song from them), and there won't be any British Invasion stuff, which is a shame.

zeus (zeus), Thursday, 17 August 2006 21:04 (nineteen years ago)

I'm going for "A Day In The Life".

Yeah, that's what I initially thought, too -- and then I thought of all of the songs that would therefore not appear and I wasn't so sure.

Honestly surprised that "I Am the Walrus" is considered among the top five Beatles songs.

jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 17 August 2006 21:11 (nineteen years ago)

I do think it's in their Top 5 too. But now I'm a bit uncertain, with 'Tomorrow' and 'Day In The Life' there will be too much songs from their psychedelic era (with Walrus already in), so maybe it will be 'Paperback Writer', or something from '69-70. 'Let It Be'? Hopefully not.

zeus (zeus), Thursday, 17 August 2006 21:14 (nineteen years ago)

It's nice to see a list where the musicians are limited to a specified allottment of songs, so that it's not just "The top 200 songs of The Beatles and The Supremes".

The flipside, of course, is that there's no room to love "My World Is Empty Without You" or "Love Child".

cosmo vitelli (cosmo vitelli), Thursday, 17 August 2006 21:18 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, most likely "A Day In The Life" is there, but "Something" would get a bigger thumbs up.

Antti Piirainen (Antti), Thursday, 17 August 2006 21:28 (nineteen years ago)

NOT NEARLY ENOUGH NUGGETS ON THIS LIST SO FAR! WHERE'S THE NUGGETS?

Brooker Buckingham (Brooker B), Thursday, 17 August 2006 22:37 (nineteen years ago)

The "I Heard It Through the Grapevine" blurb is terrible! Not to mention that it's too low (xpost). Lowlights:

...the darkest, fuzziest, most unglued moment in Motown history...

...[Gaye's voice is] a frozen paranoid sneer...

Gaye clamps down on the "you mean that much to me" line with so much venom that we know it isn't really true, not anymore.

musically (musically), Thursday, 17 August 2006 22:44 (nineteen years ago)

I hope You Set The Scene from Forever Changes makes the top 20. But it probably won't.

kornrulez6969 (TCBeing), Thursday, 17 August 2006 22:46 (nineteen years ago)

Please Pitchfork, Be My Baby.

Aditya (dan138zig), Thursday, 17 August 2006 22:49 (nineteen years ago)

"Surfin' Bird", fo' sheezy.

The future of Rodney got a -- (R. J. Greene), Thursday, 17 August 2006 22:52 (nineteen years ago)

"Be My Baby" does seem like a decent bet for number one.

Roadkill Bingo (Roadkill Bingo), Thursday, 17 August 2006 22:53 (nineteen years ago)

I bet those jerks switched Good Vibrations to #21 just to piss me off.

Domenico Buttez (ESTEBAN BUTTEZ~!!!), Thursday, 17 August 2006 23:23 (nineteen years ago)

I predict "A Hundred Pounds of Clay."

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Thursday, 17 August 2006 23:36 (nineteen years ago)

I predict The Red Crayola-"War Sucks"'cause its timely and controversial.

brg30 (brg30), Friday, 18 August 2006 00:50 (nineteen years ago)

that's me in the duder pic, fyi

marc h. (marc h.), Friday, 18 August 2006 02:05 (nineteen years ago)

how about strawberry fields forever. much better than walrus

Charlie Howard (the sphinx), Friday, 18 August 2006 02:38 (nineteen years ago)

don't make fun of tortoise

hippo eats dwarlf (lfam), Friday, 18 August 2006 02:43 (nineteen years ago)

guys I heard "Good Vibrations" was gonna get a 10.0 but pitchfork changed it just to spite buttez

bernard snow (sixteen sergeants), Friday, 18 August 2006 02:43 (nineteen years ago)

just wait until 2046 when p4k does top 200 albums of the 1990s and tortoise rocks it

hippo eats dwarlf (lfam), Friday, 18 August 2006 02:44 (nineteen years ago)

actually, don't

hippo eats dwarlf (lfam), Friday, 18 August 2006 02:48 (nineteen years ago)

I like to think that by 2046 Pitchfork will be a laughable dinosaur and some snarky hip new holo-zine will be getting ruthlessly mocked for its breathless overenthusiastic My Chemical Romance blurbs

bernard snow (sixteen sergeants), Friday, 18 August 2006 02:54 (nineteen years ago)

(on the oughties list, obv)

bernard snow (sixteen sergeants), Friday, 18 August 2006 02:54 (nineteen years ago)

CRITICBOT FEED 80,900: WHEN YOU THINK OF ZARGOT-8, YOU USUALLY THINK OF QUASI-ROBOTIC BEINGS WITH AN UNQUENCHABLE THIRST FOR HUMAN BLOOD, AND NOT BLISTERING HARDCORE BANDS. BUT YOU WOULD BE WRONG.

Whiney G. Weingarten (whineyg), Friday, 18 August 2006 03:10 (nineteen years ago)

Unless My Chemical Romance is this generation's Rolling Stones.

Domenico Buttez (ESTEBAN BUTTEZ~!!!), Friday, 18 August 2006 03:28 (nineteen years ago)

(And Pitchfork is this generation's Rolling Stone.)

Domenico Buttez (ESTEBAN BUTTEZ~!!!), Friday, 18 August 2006 03:31 (nineteen years ago)

It's all gone Ben Fong-Torres.

David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 18 August 2006 03:48 (nineteen years ago)

the future is now

hippo eats dwarlf (lfam), Friday, 18 August 2006 04:03 (nineteen years ago)

1."Phallus Dei" by Amon Duul II (from Phallus Dei, 1969)

The Beatles brought spirit, orchestration, and innovation to the Western mainstream world in the early 60s.

The Rolling Stones brought a primal infectious groove that still persists.

The Beach Boys evolved to become, to everyone's surprise, a lone voice pining for comfort and love.

Jimi Hendrix introduced sonic chaos and a visceral live image.

And Bob Dylan just told us what the fuck went wrong.

But, if you take the summation of some of the most gripping, stunning, and ultimately everlasting icons of the 60s and did an analysis today as to how Rock 'N' Roll stands for you -- and for us -- it means that both girls and boys today just go wild for the freaky wild crazy hippie shit. Devendra is like omg hot. Acid Mothers Temple are groovy. Vediver posters all over the walls to facial hair doing horizontal rhumbas. You know, just like the crazy Woodstock kids, but -- like -- TODAY, man. Freak folk is what people freak out to and freak to. Amon Duul II are a huge band of Germans who debuted with an album that had the word "penis" in it. Freak the funk. "Phallus Dei" roxx the rest of the sicksteez r all gay.

wrapped up like a DOUche in the middle of the NUT (donut), Friday, 18 August 2006 04:42 (nineteen years ago)

Man Man Announce Fall Tour

hippo eats dwarlf (lfam), Friday, 18 August 2006 04:51 (nineteen years ago)

"My Chemical Romance is this generation's Nirvana"

jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 18 August 2006 05:09 (nineteen years ago)

Fall Announce Man Man Tour

Aditya (dan138zig), Friday, 18 August 2006 05:54 (nineteen years ago)

it would've been funnier if i had said "testicles."

-- marc h. (mar...), August 16th, 2006.


"testicles" are for they might be giants fans, my friend (yeah duh). in the real world, we got balls buddy. file this info in your compact discs between decemberists, david bowie albums, and dvds of friends episodes. i bet you love elvis costello.

shock of daylight (shock of daylight), Friday, 18 August 2006 07:22 (nineteen years ago)

PS, marc at pitchfork: how many people on the pitchfork "staff" were born in the 1980s? are they rating this on random rolls of twelve-sided dice autographed by weezer?

"hey you, closet nirvana fan who really loves 'clap your hands say yeah', what is the best song of the 1960s?" "uhhh, well it's probably uhh well i don't know.. uhh well i saw a VH1 list in 2002 that did something similar... well i guess i went out and bought pet sounds the next day.. but uhhh... well i have a list of about 500 songs i picked off the jukeboxes of suburbia USA and well i think that would make them the TOP 500, right? i mean we decide the TOP since we were born when E.T. came out, right? and that was the best movie of all time, i mean, really, right?"

come on, man, you know you fuckin voted for sly & the family stone without ever owning any of their (quite boring) LPs.

leonardo da vinci (shock of daylight), Friday, 18 August 2006 07:29 (nineteen years ago)

in the real world, we got balls buddy.

oh my god

aaron d.g. (aaron d.g.), Friday, 18 August 2006 07:44 (nineteen years ago)

Man, I just downloaded Crimson & Clover. Did VU rip the guitar riff for "Sweet Jane"??? Because "Sweet Jane" came out in 1970 right? And C&C in 1968.

Aditya (dan138zig), Friday, 18 August 2006 07:55 (nineteen years ago)

it's "God Only Knows"

a.b. (alanbanana), Friday, 18 August 2006 08:25 (nineteen years ago)

And the two Beatles songs are 'Tomorrow Never Knows' and 'A Day In The Life', yup. But no Nuggets, bastards.

zeus (zeus), Friday, 18 August 2006 08:40 (nineteen years ago)

?
I thought there was

Dan I. (Dan I.), Friday, 18 August 2006 08:52 (nineteen years ago)

But not in the Top 10 as I predicted

zeus (zeus), Friday, 18 August 2006 10:12 (nineteen years ago)

Ha, I was half right! Booyah!

Domenico Buttez (ESTEBAN BUTTEZ~!!!), Friday, 18 August 2006 10:21 (nineteen years ago)

Ha, I was right! Booyah!!

But it really was too easy. I liked Sam Cooke being all the way up there!

Torgeir Hansen (MRZBW), Friday, 18 August 2006 10:30 (nineteen years ago)

You guys have no idea how happy I am to see "I Want You Back" so high. Such a great freakin' song... they shouldn't even be allowed to put it on Motown best-ofs; it makes totally classic songs look like dog shit by comparison. This has seriously brightened my day.

bernard snow (sixteen sergeants), Friday, 18 August 2006 11:20 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, "A Change Is Gonna Come" definitely deserved its place. Nice surprise to see "Fortunate Son" and "The Weight" up there too. No "Da Doo Ron Ron"? Oh well, there's always something that could be complained about. Not the worst list I've ever read.

Antti Piirainen (Antti), Friday, 18 August 2006 11:22 (nineteen years ago)

come on, man, you know you fuckin voted for sly & the family stone without ever owning any of their (quite boring) LPs.

you must be thinking of someone else

marc h. (marc h.), Friday, 18 August 2006 11:36 (nineteen years ago)

i see the "shoulda been number one" at the end of my "be my baby" blurb got edited out.

PARTYMAN (dubplatestyle), Friday, 18 August 2006 12:00 (nineteen years ago)

"God Only Knows" seconded.

We called it!

Erroneous Botch (joseph cotten), Friday, 18 August 2006 12:19 (nineteen years ago)

you must be thinking of someone else

...probably not.

Domenico Buttez (ESTEBAN BUTTEZ~!!!), Friday, 18 August 2006 12:21 (nineteen years ago)

BTW, I wish someone told me that Passantino was reviewing this, because I (along with the majority of the western world) would have predicted this rating easily.

Domenico Buttez (ESTEBAN BUTTEZ~!!!), Friday, 18 August 2006 12:24 (nineteen years ago)

Oh no someone might have voted for a SINGLE without hearing the ALBUM it came from what a TRAVESTY.

David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 18 August 2006 12:28 (nineteen years ago)

where da credibility at guyz

Domenico Buttez (ESTEBAN BUTTEZ~!!!), Friday, 18 August 2006 12:31 (nineteen years ago)

"Thank you Pitchfork! But your credibility is in another castle!"

bernard snow (sixteen sergeants), Friday, 18 August 2006 12:34 (nineteen years ago)

Super Pitchfork Brothers, starring Surfjan Stevens as Princess Peach!

Domenico Buttez (ESTEBAN BUTTEZ~!!!), Friday, 18 August 2006 12:40 (nineteen years ago)

So, did the VU steal the riff from Crimson and Clover for Sweet Jane???

Aditya (dan138zig), Friday, 18 August 2006 13:32 (nineteen years ago)

No "Let's Spend the Night Together", no credibility.

g00blar (gooblar), Friday, 18 August 2006 13:33 (nineteen years ago)

Now can someone put the whole thing in an excel file and give me all 200 ranked by year? That would be neat.

Whiney G. Weingarten (whineyg), Friday, 18 August 2006 13:55 (nineteen years ago)

Whats with that blurb for "Higher & Higher"

Truth is, there's not much depth.

deej.. (deej..), Friday, 18 August 2006 14:07 (nineteen years ago)

jeez, somebody had to lay the smackdown on the puppini sisters

hippo eats dwarlf (lfam), Friday, 18 August 2006 16:16 (nineteen years ago)

Higher and Higher = lacks depth
Dazed and Confused = lacks clarity
A Day in the Life = lacks longevity
Tomorrow Never Knows = lacks foresight

nabisco (nabisco), Friday, 18 August 2006 16:29 (nineteen years ago)

the 60s: lacks the 70s

Dominique (dleone), Friday, 18 August 2006 16:30 (nineteen years ago)

no "surfin' bird", no credibility

running in circles (running in circles), Friday, 18 August 2006 16:35 (nineteen years ago)

that list: lacks "Bernadette" and "I Can't Help Myself"

"Happy Together' and "House Of The Rising Sun" should probably also figure in there somewhere.

cosmo vitelli (cosmo vitelli), Friday, 18 August 2006 16:37 (nineteen years ago)

Ha! "I Want You Back" was number 2! I was close.

Tape Store (Tape Store), Friday, 18 August 2006 16:38 (nineteen years ago)

no "downtown," no hospitality

(I think I'm getting the hang of ILM again)

nabisco (nabisco), Friday, 18 August 2006 16:39 (nineteen years ago)

I Want You Back is not in G!

Steve Go1dberg (Steve Schneeberg), Friday, 18 August 2006 16:40 (nineteen years ago)

"Pushin' Too Hard" and "Talk Talk" are better than "You're Gonna Miss Me."

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Friday, 18 August 2006 16:41 (nineteen years ago)

yup, "God Only Knows." I never call these things accurately, so I'm surprised I did this time.

mike a (mike a), Friday, 18 August 2006 16:46 (nineteen years ago)

God Only Knows is a fine pick, but I think its writeup is weak.

Steve Go1dberg (Steve Schneeberg), Friday, 18 August 2006 16:49 (nineteen years ago)

"Pushin' Too Hard" and "Talk Talk" are better than "You're Gonna Miss Me."

BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRONG

David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 18 August 2006 16:50 (nineteen years ago)

This list needs more Bacharach.

o. nate (onate), Friday, 18 August 2006 16:52 (nineteen years ago)

A 1960s best singles list with no Bacharach in the top 100! Amazing.

o. nate (onate), Friday, 18 August 2006 16:57 (nineteen years ago)

(I didn't bother to check the next 100.)

o. nate (onate), Friday, 18 August 2006 16:58 (nineteen years ago)

A few songs obviously made the Top 200 because they resurfaced in movies in the '90s or '00s (Dick Dale "Miserilou").

Or perhaps the songs were chosen for the movies because they're really, really good songs. Cos let's face it, when the last time your local oldies station pumped The Creation? However I gotta say, the Forrest Gump soundtrack is one of my most loathed albums of the 90's, since half of my high school suddenly thought they were experts on 60's music after its release.

I'm sincerely glad I waited till after reading their entire list to lurk this thread.

billstevejim (billstevejim), Friday, 18 August 2006 17:58 (nineteen years ago)

Oh, and ILM's list is better.

billstevejim (billstevejim), Friday, 18 August 2006 17:58 (nineteen years ago)

most of the songs are typical oldies radio station playlist fare

and yet oldies radio stations are being phased out! at least in NY where there is none. How else are todays youth going to learn about Jay and the Americans and Gary Lewis and the Playboys?

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Friday, 18 August 2006 17:59 (nineteen years ago)

I'm upset that neither list included "Look Through Any Window" by The Hollies, or "Forget All About It" by The Nazz..

When is the list of the top 100 songs that never make any 60's top 100 lists?

billstevejim (billstevejim), Friday, 18 August 2006 18:01 (nineteen years ago)

DANCE ELZER OTM

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Friday, 18 August 2006 18:04 (nineteen years ago)

To the list of the top 100 songs that never make any 60's top 100 lists:

Left Banke: "Pretty Ballerina"
Turtles: "Happy Together"
Castaways: "Liar Liar"
Dusty Springfield: "I Only Want To Be With You"
Wilson Pickett "The Midnight Hour"
Troggs "With A Girl Like You"
and a lot more.

zeus (zeus), Friday, 18 August 2006 18:23 (nineteen years ago)

Has nobody ever heard 'Ghost in my house'? This can be the only possible reason for it not appearing in Pitchfork's or ILM's lists. Or cloth ears.

Bidfurd (Bidfurd), Friday, 18 August 2006 18:43 (nineteen years ago)

And also why didn't 'Goin' back' feature? It pisses all over the crappy 'Son of a preacher man'.

Bidfurd (Bidfurd), Friday, 18 August 2006 18:46 (nineteen years ago)

It pisses all over the crappy

piss christ

marc h. (marc h.), Friday, 18 August 2006 18:54 (nineteen years ago)

um, slow news day, nothing to see here

marc h. (marc h.), Friday, 18 August 2006 18:54 (nineteen years ago)

i wish the individual lists were posted. i've always thought that should be a requirement when you do polls like these.

aaron d.g. (aaron d.g.), Friday, 18 August 2006 18:55 (nineteen years ago)

No "Louie Louie" or "Psychotic Reaction" = no joy in Mudville.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Friday, 18 August 2006 19:10 (nineteen years ago)

Saint Stephen!

BrianB (BrianB), Friday, 18 August 2006 19:17 (nineteen years ago)

"Piece of My Heart!"

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Friday, 18 August 2006 19:18 (nineteen years ago)

ALSO "TOMORROW NEVER KNOWS" IS A TOTAL MENTALIST PICK FOR A BEATLES SONG

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Friday, 18 August 2006 19:19 (nineteen years ago)

No Mothers? No Beefheart?

BrianB (BrianB), Friday, 18 August 2006 19:22 (nineteen years ago)

ALSO "TOMORROW NEVER KNOWS" IS A TOTAL MENTALIST PICK FOR A BEATLES SONG

no no he says "turn off your mind" haw haw

marc h. (marc h.), Friday, 18 August 2006 19:23 (nineteen years ago)

WHERE IS YOUR PAMPHLET SO I CAN READ ABOUT YOUR BABY-KILLING NEO-FASCIST HOBO-HUMPING CULT TIMOTHY

David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 18 August 2006 19:23 (nineteen years ago)

Louie Louie placed...somewhere from 200-100.

musically (musically), Friday, 18 August 2006 19:24 (nineteen years ago)

AND WHERE IS THE LOVE FOR THE DAVE CLARK FIVE OR OTHER POPULAR BEAT COMBOS OF THE ERA I ASK YOU TO ASK YOURSELVES TO ASK US

David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 18 August 2006 19:25 (nineteen years ago)

It was pushed aside for another Simon & Garfunkel pick

BrianB (BrianB), Friday, 18 August 2006 19:29 (nineteen years ago)

LESS FOLK SPANK MORE DRUG WANK

PITCHFORK IN '07

David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 18 August 2006 19:34 (nineteen years ago)

OK I'M DONE

David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 18 August 2006 19:38 (nineteen years ago)

Seriously, though how does the TV theme to Dr. Who fit in?

BrianB (BrianB), Friday, 18 August 2006 19:38 (nineteen years ago)

PRACTICE PRACTICE PRACTICE

David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 18 August 2006 19:44 (nineteen years ago)

haha

david post your ballot, i'm curious!

aaron d.g. (aaron d.g.), Friday, 18 August 2006 19:45 (nineteen years ago)

I already said what my #1 is - what more do you need?

David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 18 August 2006 19:48 (nineteen years ago)

haha fair enough

aaron d.g. (aaron d.g.), Friday, 18 August 2006 19:49 (nineteen years ago)

WHERE IS YOUR PAMPHLET

Don't really *get* your missage, but...here, I guess.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Friday, 18 August 2006 19:58 (nineteen years ago)

Now can someone put the whole thing in an excel file and give me all 200 ranked by year? That would be neat.

1960
52. Ray Charles: "Georgia on My Mind" (Hoagy Carmichael/Stuart Gorrell) 1960
68. The Shirelles: "Will You Love Me Tomorrow" (Gerry Goffin/Carole King) 1960
130. John Coltrane: "My Favorite Things" (Oscar Hammerstein II/Richard Rodgers) 1960
183. Bobby Darin: "Beyond the Sea" (Jack Lawrence/Charles Trenet) 1960

1961
23. Etta James: "At Last" (Mack Gordon/Harry Warren) 1961
64. Del Shannon: "Runaway" (Max Crook/Del Shannon) 1961
70. Patsy Cline: "Crazy" (Willie Nelson) 1961
95. Sam Cooke: "Cupid" (Sam Cooke) 1961
117. Ben E. King: "Stand By Me" (Ben E. King/Jerry Leiber/Mike Stoller) 1961
122. Patsy Cline: "I Fall to Pieces" (Hank Cochran/Harlan Howard) 1961

1962
85. Roy Orbison: "Crying" (Joe Melson/Roy Orbison) 1962
127. George Jones: "She Thinks I Still Care" (Steve Duffy/Dickey Lee Lipscomb) 1962
182. Patsy Cline: "She's Got You" (Hank Cochran) 1962

1963
6. The Ronettes: "Be My Baby" (Jeff Barry/Ellie Greenwich/Phil Spector) 1963
18. The Crystals: "Then He Kissed Me" (Jeff Barry/Ellie Greenwich/Phil Spector) 1963
35. Johnny Cash: "Ring of Fire" (June Carter Cash/Merle Kilgore) 1963
63. Stan Getz & Joao Gilberto featuring Antonio Carlos Jobim: "The Girl From Ipanema" (Vinicius de Moraes/Norman Gimbel/Antonio Carlos Jobim) 1963
69. Dick Dale & the Del-Tones: "Misirlou" (Milton Leeds/Nicholas Roubanis/Chaim Tauber/Fred Wise) 1963
73. Bob Dylan: "Don't Think Twice, It's All Right" (Bob Dylan) 1963
76. BBC Radiophonic Workshop: "Doctor Who (Original Theme)" (Ron Grainer) 1963
90. The Angels: "My Boyfriend's Back" (Bob Feldman/Jerry Goldstein/Richard Gottehrer) 1963
154. The Kingsmen: "Louie Louie" (Richard Berry) 1963
174. Darlene Love: "Christmas (Baby Please Come Home)" (Jeff Barry/Ellie Greenwich/Phil Spector) 1963
177. The Tammys: "Egyptian Shumba" (Lou Christie/Twyla Herbert) 1963
195. James Brown: "Night Train (Live at the Apollo)" (Jimmy Forrest/Lewis Simpkins/Oscar Washington) 1963
197. Charles Mingus: "Solo Dancer" (Charles Mingus) 1963

1964
3. Sam Cooke: "A Change Is Gonna Come" (Sam Cooke) 1964
14. The Beach Boys: "Don't Worry Baby" (Roger Christian/Brian Wilson) 1964
30. The Shangri-Las: "Leader of the Pack" (Jeff Barry/Ellie Greenwich/Shadow Morton) 1964
44. The Supremes: "Where Did Our Love Go" (Lamont Dozier/Brian Holland/Eddie Holland) 1964
58. The Beatles: "I Want to Hold Your Hand" (John Lennon/Paul McCartney) 1964
88. The Kinks: "You Really Got Me" (Ray Davies) 1964
141. The Supremes: "Baby Love" (Lamont Dozier/Brian Holland/Eddie Holland) 1964
147. Nina Simone: "Sinnerman" (Traditional) 1964
161. The Zombies: "She's Not There" (Rod Argent) 1964
170. Françoise Hardy: "Tous Les Garcons et Les Filles" (Françoise Hardy/Roger Samyn) 1964
181. France Gall: "Laisse Tomber les Filles" (Serge Gainsbourg) 1964
196. Irma Thomas: "Time Is on My Side" (Norman Meade/Jerry Ragovoy) 1964
198. Dionne Warwick: "Walk On By" (Burt Bacharach/Hal David) 1964
199. Nina Simone: "Black Is the Color of My True Love's Hair" (Traditional) 1964

1965
4. Bob Dylan: "Like a Rolling Stone" (Bob Dylan) 1965
9. The Who: "I Can't Explain" (Pete Townshend) 1965
20. The Shangri-Las: "Out in the Streets" (Jeff Barry/Ellie Greenwich) 1965
34. The Who: "The Kids Are Alright" (Pete Townshend) 1965
37. Simon & Garfunkel: "The Sound of Silence" (Paul Simon) 1965
43. Vince Guaraldi Trio: "Linus & Lucy" (Vince Guaraldi) 1965
74. James Brown & the Famous Flames: "Papa's Got a Brand New Bag" (James Brown) 1965
80. Bob Dylan: "Subterranean Homesick Blues" (Bob Dylan) 1965
87. The Miracles: "The Tracks of My Tears" (Warren "Pete" Moore/Smokey Robinson/Marvin Tarplin) 1965
96. The Shangri-Las: "Give Him a Great Big Kiss" (George Morton) 1965
110. The Four Tops: "It's the Same Old Song" (Lamont Dozier/Eddie Holland/Brian Holland) 1965
112. Steve Reich: "It's Gonna Rain" (Steve Reich) 1965
113. The Easybeats: "Friday on My Mind" (Henry Vanda/George Young) 1965
123. The Supremes: "I Hear a Symphony" (Lamont Dozier/Brian Holland/Eddie Holland) 1965
131. The Byrds: "I'll Feel a Whole Lot Better" (Gene Clark) 1965
137. The Dixie Cups: "Iko Iko" (Jeff Barry/Ellie Greenwich) 1965
139. The Impressions: "People Get Ready" (Curtis Mayfield) 1965
150. Bob Dylan: "It's Alright Ma, I'm Only Bleeding" (Bob Dylan) 1965
164. Frank Sinatra: "It Was a Very Good Year" (Ervin Drake) 1965
178. Otis Redding: "I've Been Loving You Too Long (To Stop Now)" (Jerry Butler/Otis Redding) 1965
180. The Barbarians: "Moulty" (Eliot Greenberg/Doug Morris/Barbara Baer/Robert Schwartz) 1965
189. The Sonics: "Strychnine" (Gerry Roslie) 1965

1966
1. The Beach Boys: "God Only Knows" (Tony Asher/Brian Wilson) 1966
7. The Beach Boys: "Wouldn't It Be Nice" (Tony Asher/Brian Wilson) 1966
19. The Beatles: "Tomorrow Never Knows" (John Lennon/Paul McCartney) 1966
21. The Beach Boys: "Good Vibrations" (Mike Love/Brian Wilson) 1966
24. The Supremes: "You Can't Hurry Love" (Lamont Dozier/Brian Holland/Eddie Holland) 1966
118. The Bobby Fuller Four: "I Fought the Law" (Sonny Curtis) 1966
120. ? and the Mysterians: "96 Tears" (Rudy Martinez) 1966
133. The Monkees: "I'm a Believer" (Neil Diamond) 1966
134. Brian Wilson: "Surf's Up (solo piano version)" (Van Dyke Parks/Brian Wilson) 1966
25. The Rolling Stones: "Paint It Black" (Mick Jagger/Keith Richards) 1966
32. Ennio Morricone: "The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly (Main Theme)" (Ennio Morricone) 1966
33. James Brown & the Famous Flames: "It's a Man's Man's Man's World" (James Brown/Betty Jean Newsome) 1966
36. 13th Floor Elevators: "You're Gonna Miss Me" (Roky Erickson) 1966
47. The Beatles: "Eleanor Rigby" (John Lennon/Paul McCartney) 1966
51. Ike & Tina Turner: "River Deep Mountain High" (Jeff Barry/Ellie Greenwich/Phil Spector) 1966
61. The Supremes: "You Keep Me Hangin' On" (Lamont Dozier/Eddie Holland/Brian Holland) 1966 65. The Mamas & the Papas: "California Dreamin'" (John Phillips/Michelle Phillips) 1966
81. Sam & Dave: "Hold On, I'm Comin'" (Isaac Hayes/David Porter) 1966
91. The Who: "Substitute" (Pete Townshend) 1966
107. Bob Dylan: "Visions of Johanna" (Bob Dylan) 1966
109. The Byrds: "Eight Miles High" (Gene Clark/David Crosby/Roger McGuinn) 1966
114. Nancy Sinatra: "These Boots Are Made for Walkin'" (Lee Hazlewood) 1966
140. Donovan: "Season of the Witch" (Donovan) 1966
165. The Monks: "Monk Time" (Gary Burger/Larry Clark/Dave Day/Roger Johnston/Eddie Shaw) 1966
169. Stevie Wonder: "Uptight (Everything's Alright)" (Henry Cosby/Sylvia Moy/Stevie Wonder) 1966
185. The Temptations: "Get Ready" (Smokey Robinson) 1966
186. The Hollies: "Bus Stop" (Graham Gouldman) 1966
187. The Walker Brothers: "The Sun Ain't Gonna Shine Anymore" (Bob Crewe/Bob Gaudio) 1966
191. The Cannonball Adderley Quintet: "Mercy, Mercy, Mercy" (Joe Zawinul) 1966
200. The Kinks: "Sunny Afternoon" (Ray Davies) 1966

1967
5. The Beatles: "A Day in the Life" (John Lennon/Paul McCartney) 1967
26. The Beatles: "I Am the Walrus" (John Lennon/Paul McCartney) 1967
27. The Velvet Underground: "I'm Waiting for the Man" (Lou Reed) 1967
29. The Kinks: "Waterloo Sunset" (Ray Davies) 1967
31. Nico: "These Days" (Jackson Browne) 1967
46. The Creation: "Making Time" (D. Phillips/Kenny Pickett) 1967
50. Love: "Alone Again Or" (Bryan MacLean) 1967
54. The Monkees: "Daydream Believer" (John Stewart) 1967
55. Jackie Wilson: "(Your Love Keeps Lifting Me) Higher and Higher" (Gary Jackson/Raynard Miner/Carl Smith) 1967
59. The Velvet Underground: "Sunday Morning" (John Cale/Lou Reed) 1967
66. The Paragons: "The Tide Is High" (John Holt) 1967
71. Jimi Hendrix: "Manic Depression" (Jimi Hendrix) 1967
77. The Velvet Underground: "Heroin" (Lou Reed) 1967
83. Neil Young & Crazy Horse: "Down by the River" (Neil Young) 1967
86. The Left Banke: "Walk Away Renee" (Michael Brown/Bob Calilli/Tony Sansone) 1967
101. Pink Floyd: "See Emily Play" (Syd Barrett) 1967
106. Desmond Dekker & the Aces: "007 (Shanty Town)" (Desmond Dekker) 1967
116. Jefferson Airplane: "White Rabbit" (Grace Slick) 1967
124. The Velvet Underground: "Venus in Furs" (Lou Reed) 1967
128. Buffalo Springfield: "For What It's Worth" (Stephen Stills) 1967
142. Procol Harum: "A Whiter Shade of Pale" (Gary Brooker/Keith Reid) 1967
144. Bobbie Gentry: "Ode to Billie Joe" (Bobbie Gentry) 1967
148. The Velvet Underground: "Sister Ray" (John Cale/Sterling Morrison/Lou Reed/Mauren Tucker) 1967
152. The Association: "Never My Love" (Don Addrisi/Dick Addrisi) 1967
157. Aretha Franklin: "Do Right Woman, Do Right Man" (Chips Moman/Dan Penn) 1967
158. P.P. Arnold: "The First Cut Is the Deepest" (Cat Stevens) 1967
159. Pink Floyd: "Astronomy Domine" (Syd Barrett/Nick Mason/Roger Waters/Rick Wright) 1967
162. The Who: "I Can See For Miles" (Pete Townshend) 1967
167. Stone Poneys: "Different Drum" (Michael Nesmith) 1967
168. Albert Ayler: "Ghosts" (Albert Ayler) 1967
175. Loretta Lynn: "Don't Come Home a Drinkin' (With Lovin' on Your Mind)" (Loretta Lynn/Peggy Sue Wells) 1967
192. Alton Ellis: "I'm Still in Love With You" (Alton Ellis) 1967
193. Johnny and June Carter Cash: "Jackson" (Gaby Rogers) 1967

1968
8. Johnny Cash: "Folsom Prison Blues (Live at Folsom Prison)" (Johnny Cash) 1968
13. The Band: "The Weight" (Robbie Robertson) 1968
15. Aretha Franklin: "Think" (Aretha Franklin/Teddy White) 1968
22. Marvin Gaye: "I Heard It Through the Grapevine" (Barrett Strong/Norman Whitfield) 1968
28. Otis Redding: "(Sittin' on) The Dock of the Bay" (Steve Cropper/Otis Redding) 1968
39. The Rolling Stones: "Sympathy for the Devil" (Mick Jagger/Keith Richards) 1968
40. The Zombies: "This Will Be Our Year" (Chris White) 1968
41. Leonard Cohen: "Suzanne" (Leonard Cohen) 1968
45. Dusty Springfield: "Son of a Preacher Man" (John Hurley/Ronnie Wilkins) 1968
49. Lee Hazlewood & Nancy Sinatra: "Some Velvet Morning" (Lee Hazlewood) 1968
56. Serge Gainsbourg and Brigitte Bardot: "Bonnie and Clyde" (Serge Gainsbourg) 1968
57. Tommy James & the Shondells: "Crimson and Clover" (Tommy James/Peter Lucia) 1968
62. The Rolling Stones: "Street Fighting Man" (Mick Jagger/Keith Richards) 1968
72. Van Morrison: "Sweet Thing" (Van Morrison) 1968
94. Simon & Garfunkel: "Mrs. Robinson" (Paul Simon) 1968
98. The Zombies: "Care of Cell 44" (Rod Argent) 1968
99. Jimi Hendrix: "All Along the Watchtower" (Bob Dylan) 1968
103. Merle Haggard: "Mama Tried" (Merle Haggard) 1968
105. Simon & Garfunkel: "America" (Paul Simon) 1968
108. Harry Nilsson: "One" (Harry Nilsson) 1968
111. Stevie Wonder: "I Was Made to Love Her" (Henry Cosby/Lula Mae Hardaway/Sylvia Moy/Stevie Wonder) 1968
119. Silver Apples: "Oscillations" (Simeon/Warren Stanley) 1968
121. Glen Campbell: "Wichita Lineman" (Jimmy Webb) 1968
129. Harry Nilsson: "Everybody's Talkin'" (Fred Neil) 1968
132. Louis Armstrong: "What a Wonderful World" (Bob Thiele/George David Weiss) 1968
136. Jimi Hendrix: "Voodoo Child (Slight Return)" (Jimi Hendrix) 1968
138. The Righteous Brothers: "Unchained Melody" (Alex North/Hy Zaret) 1968
145. Tammy Wynette: "Stand by Your Man" (Billy Sherrill/Tammy Wynette) 1968
146. Terry Riley: "In C" (Terry Riley) 1968
149. Archie Bell & the Drells: "Tighten Up" (Archie Bell/Billy Butler) 1968
156. Loretta Lynn: "Fist City" (Loretta Lynn) 1968
160. Os Mutantes: "A Minha Menina" (Jorge Ben) 1968
188. Tyrannosaurus Rex: "Debora" (Marc Bolan) 1968
190. Leonard Cohen: "So Long, Marianne" (Leonard Cohen) 1968
194. The Foundations: "Build Me Up Buttercup" (Michael d'Abo/Tony Macaulay) 1968

1969
2. The Jackson 5: "I Want You Back" (Berry Gordy, Jr./Alphonso Mizell/Freddie Perren/Deke Richards) 1969
10. Desmond Dekker & The Aces: "Israelites" (Desmond Dekker) 1969
11. Led Zeppelin: "Dazed and Confused" (Jimmy Page) 1969
12. The Rolling Stones: "Gimme Shelter" (Mick Jagger/Keith Richards) 1969
16. The Stooges: "I Wanna Be Your Dog" (Dave Alexander/Ron Asheton/Scott Asheton/Iggy Pop) 1969
17. Creedence Clearwater Revival: "Fortunate Son" (John Fogerty) 1969
38. The Meters: "Cissy Strut" (Ziggy Modeliste/Art Neville/Leo Nocentelli/George Porter, Jr.) 1969
42. The Band: "The Night They Drove Old Dixie Down" (Robbie Robertson) 1969
48. David Bowie: "Space Oddity" (David Bowie) 1969
53. Led Zeppelin: "Whole Lotta Love" (John Bonham/Willie Dixon/John Paul Jones/Jimmy Page/Robert Plant) 1969
60. Sly & the Family Stone: "Hot Fun in the Summertime" (Sylvester "Sly Stone" Stewart) 1969
67. Neil Young & Crazy Horse: "Cinnamon Girl" (Neil Young) 1969
75. Simon & Garfunkel: "The Boxer" (Paul Simon) 1969
78. Sly & The Family Stone: "I Want to Take You Higher" (Sylvester "Sly Stone" Stewart) 1969
79. Gal Costa: "Baby" (Caetano Veloso) 1969
82. Elvis Presley: "Suspicious Minds" (Mark James) 1969
84. The Rolling Stones: "You Can't Always Get What You Want" (Mick Jagger/Keith Richards) 1969
89. The Stooges: "1969" (Dave Alexander/Ron Asheton/Scott Asheton/Iggy Pop) 1969
92. Nick Drake: "River Man" (Nick Drake) 1969
93. Can: "Yoo Doo Right" (Holger Czukay/Michael Karoli/Jaki Liebezeit/Malcom Mooney/Irmin Schmidt) 1969
97. The Maytals: "Pressure Drop" (Frederick Hibbert) 1969
100. The Isley Brothers: "It's Your Thing" (O'Kelly Isley/Ronald Isley/Rudolph Isley) 1969
102. Sly & the Family Stone: "Everyday People" (Sylvester "Sly Stone" Stewart) 1969
104. King Crimson: "21st Century Schizoid Man" (Robert Fripp/Michael Giles/Greg Lake/Ian McDonald/Peter Sinfield) 1969
115. The Kinks: "Victoria" (Ray Davies) 1969
125. Miles Davis: "Shhh/Peaceful" (Miles Davis) 1969
126. Led Zeppelin: "What Is and What Should Never Be" (Jimmy Page/Robert Plant) 1969
135. The Kinks: "Shangri-La" (Ray Davies) 1969
143. Scott Walker: "Big Louise" (Scott Walker) 1969
151. David Axelrod: "The Human Abstract" (David Axelrod) 1969
153. Lorraine Ellison: "Stay With Me" (Jerry Ragovoy/George David Weiss) 1969
155. Creedence Clearwater Revival: "Bad Moon Rising" (John Fogerty) 1969
163. Cromagnon: "Caledonia" (Connecticut Tribe/Brian Elliot/Austin Grasmere) 1969
166. The Flirtations: "Nothing But a Heartache" (Wayne Bickerton/Tony Waddington) 1969
171. Neil Diamond: "Sweet Caroline" (Neil Diamond) 1969
173. Phil Ochs: "I Ain't Marching Anymore" (Phil Ochs) 1969
172. Archie Bell & the Drells: "Here I Go Again" (Kenny Gamble/Leon Huff) 1969
176. MC5: "Kick Out the Jams" (Michael Davis/Wayne Kramer/Fred "Sonic" Smith/Dennis Thompson/Rob Tyner) 1969
179. Bembeya Jazz National: "Armée Guinéenne" (Bembeya Jazz National) 1969
184. James Brown: "Mother Popcorn (You Got to Have a Mother for Me)" (James Brown/Pee Wee Ellis) 1969

Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Friday, 18 August 2006 20:43 (nineteen years ago)

Has nobody ever heard 'Ghost in my house'?

"there's a ghost in my house"? I voted for that. I think one other p4k writer did as well.

scott pl. (scott pl.), Friday, 18 August 2006 21:00 (nineteen years ago)

(turns out three people voted for it.)

scott pl. (scott pl.), Friday, 18 August 2006 21:03 (nineteen years ago)

Matos, your constant devotion to being a list-nerd and helping list-nerds (don't think I haven't spent inordinate amounts of time picking over the stuff you submitted to rocklists.com) brings a tear to my eye every time.

Whiney G. Weingarten (whineyg), Saturday, 19 August 2006 03:41 (nineteen years ago)

could have used more jazz

hippo eats dwarlf (lfam), Saturday, 19 August 2006 04:00 (nineteen years ago)

Whiney, you made me laugh out loud, hard, with that.

Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Saturday, 19 August 2006 04:15 (nineteen years ago)

I mean, you might as well have stopped by my apartment and waved a flag in front of my face. "Would someone?"--please. What you meant was "Countdown to Matos doing this . . . "

Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Saturday, 19 August 2006 04:17 (nineteen years ago)

I assumed more people loved "Walk Don't Run."

billstevejim (billstevejim), Saturday, 19 August 2006 04:48 (nineteen years ago)

Matos's list is wonderful, too, because it really does show the pattern one would expect to find with the 'Fork - the closer the 60s can get to the 70s, the better they are.

Doctor Casino (Doctor Casino), Saturday, 19 August 2006 05:27 (nineteen years ago)

so did VU rip crimson and clover's riff for sweet jane?

Aditya (dan138zig), Saturday, 19 August 2006 05:41 (nineteen years ago)

Solo Dancer is a totally random-ass pick for a Mingus track. Its like, yeah black saint is great but when you think 'mingus songs' you don't immediately snap to a movement from his extended works, a little wtf.

deej.. (deej..), Saturday, 19 August 2006 05:44 (nineteen years ago)

I'm kinda surprised not to see "7 And 7 Is" anywhere. It didn't even get nominated in the ILM poll. And when oh when will "Sally Go Round The Roses" get the worship it deserves?

clotpoll (Clotpoll), Saturday, 19 August 2006 06:02 (nineteen years ago)

I'm pleasantly surprised to see "Iko Iko" in there.

cnwb (cnwb), Saturday, 19 August 2006 11:30 (nineteen years ago)

Woah, I always somehow figured "Sally Go Round The Roses" was from the 50's!

Doctor Casino (Doctor Casino), Saturday, 19 August 2006 11:54 (nineteen years ago)

agreed deej, but, yeah, not like pitchfork is a jazz publication so whatevs

hippo eats dwarlf (lfam), Saturday, 19 August 2006 16:30 (nineteen years ago)

>agreed deej, but, yeah, not like pitchfork is a jazz publication so whatevs

sure but insofar as they're going to be bothered to make jazz picks, they could stand to be a little more on point. as much as i enjoy "solo dancer" it's certainly a what the fuck. i love "shh/peaceful," but it seems an odd choice to effectively represent miles davis' entire 60's output. i like the inclusiveness, the acknowledgment that for the majority of the sixties jazz was still ostensibly "pop" music. in practice it's the typical tokenism though. so typical that it almost doesn't seem fair to criticize.

pm (p-m), Saturday, 19 August 2006 17:24 (nineteen years ago)

it seems an odd choice to effectively represent miles davis' entire 60's output

It's not a list of "Pitchfork's 200 Greatest Artists of the 60s, Represented by Singles Proxy" -- just what tracks people liked.

nabisco (nabisco), Saturday, 19 August 2006 17:31 (nineteen years ago)

Matos's list is wonderful, too, because it really does show the pattern one would expect to find with the 'Fork - the closer the 60s can get to the 70s, the better they are.

This is interesting, yeah, though obviously I don't think it's a function of getting closer to the 70s -- just that a lot of the canonical history-of-rock acts that do well here grew up into their auteurish periods toward the end of the decade (and many of them started the decade more in the mode of pop entertainment). So I guess that is something one would expect. Most of the tracks I'm sad didn't make it onto the list are probably more in the pop mold (and maybe more early-60s), and one of the things that might be working against them is people having a sense that they're actually more 50s -- particularly when it comes to doo-wop and squarer vocal-pop stuff. There's a whole lot of great 60s squareness that didn't make the cut -- I'm all about "Downtown" for the top 50 at least!

nabisco (nabisco), Saturday, 19 August 2006 17:36 (nineteen years ago)

>It's not a list of "Pitchfork's 200 Greatest Artists of the 60s, Represented by Singles Proxy" -- just what tracks people liked.

i understand that, hence my limp qualifier "effectively."

pm (p-m), Saturday, 19 August 2006 17:55 (nineteen years ago)

It's not a list of "Pitchfork's 200 Greatest Artists of the 60s, Represented by Singles Proxy" -- just what tracks people liked.

. . . which just makes the jazz picks seem more tokenist, not less.

Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Sunday, 20 August 2006 00:46 (nineteen years ago)

And before Nabisco gets annoyed, I'll point out that I don't think tokenism per se is entirely a bad thing; it's basic human nature. If you like music a lot, you tend to like a lot of it, and moving beyond your basic comfort zone is par for the course. My top 200 tracks of the '60s would probably feature some jazz and African stuff, too, and a lot less of them than U.S./U.K. pop. There's nothing especially wrong with that, even if you find it kpredictable--because I'll wager one of the reasons I do is that I recognize that tendency in myself.

When the list started, I got excited--"wow, they're really going off the deep end this time! All kindsa shit up in here." Which is down as much or more to how it was unveiled, counting backwards from 200 to 1, so the field feels wide open; anything can happen. As it wound down into the top 100, and especially the top 50 or so, it became much more uniform, and less interesting for that reason--"Oh, OK, they're Mojo."

Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Sunday, 20 August 2006 00:59 (nineteen years ago)

"Oh, OK, they're Mojo."

Aren't we all, though?

regular roundups (Dave M), Sunday, 20 August 2006 01:38 (nineteen years ago)

closer to the 70's = closer to The Edge

Scourage (Haberdager), Sunday, 20 August 2006 01:42 (nineteen years ago)

"Oh, OK, they're Mojo."

Aren't we all, though?

I guess the lesson is that many individuals may not be Mojo, but when you put them in a group, the group becomes Mojo.

[another reason why I want them to put the individual lists up :-) ]

and it seemed like a good list but i don't really know that much about the '60s.

aaron d.g. (aaron d.g.), Sunday, 20 August 2006 02:37 (nineteen years ago)

the lesson is that many individuals may not be Mojo, but when you put them in a group, the group becomes Mojo

Only when situated within a Mojo format, though.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Sunday, 20 August 2006 02:48 (nineteen years ago)

I guess the lesson is that many individuals may not be Mojo, but when you put them in a group, the group becomes Mojo.

if we'd have printed nos. 350-150, that would have been an interesting list!

scott pl. (scott pl.), Sunday, 20 August 2006 03:27 (nineteen years ago)

i've never actually read mojo anyway.

aaron d.g. (aaron d.g.), Sunday, 20 August 2006 03:37 (nineteen years ago)

the lesson is that many individuals may not be Mojo, but when you put them in a group, the group becomes Mojo

OTM (and yes, I want to see the individual lists too)

Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Sunday, 20 August 2006 03:42 (nineteen years ago)

wow, my first OTM! this is all happening so fast! :D

aaron d.g. (aaron d.g.), Sunday, 20 August 2006 03:46 (nineteen years ago)

if we'd have printed nos. 350-150, that would have been an interesting list!

Could you post those in this thread? Lists like this almost always look better when stood on their head. Maybe it's because people don't think of what should be their favorite song or the "best" song but think about things in a more unorthodox fashion. The #100 or #101 song in a list of 100 is usually the kind of thing that I would put as a top five pick in my own list. It never matter what you're listing either.

Cunga (Cunga), Sunday, 20 August 2006 04:08 (nineteen years ago)

matos, a better take on what i was trying to say about jazz, tokenism. in fact, what i think i actually meant (now that i think about it) is that i found the selection of the 'token' handful of jazz tracks to be suprising. not necessarily for better or worse. in fact, i think i had similar initial reaction at the beginning -- "solo dancer! this shit's gonna run deep." then, y'know, it did but maybe not in the ways that i had hoped.

pm (p-m), Sunday, 20 August 2006 04:26 (nineteen years ago)

And still no "Free Jazz" (the song)

Whiney G. Weingarten (whineyg), Sunday, 20 August 2006 05:01 (nineteen years ago)

Actually I think there might be something about voting for tracks (singles) that works against jazz, just because it doesn't spring to mind in nearly the same way -- far easier to think "yes, this killer three-minute single is a gem" than it is to have a jazz performance spring straight to mind as a must-include. (At least that's true if you're not a heavy jazz listener, and I don't think there are that many really heavy jazz listeners on the staff. There might be.)

nabisco (nabisco), Sunday, 20 August 2006 06:58 (nineteen years ago)

My take on bringing stuff from outside pop into the list--which is in no way offical, just how I approached it--is that I chose tracks that worked to me in a pop way. I listen to "It's Gonna Rain" and "My Favorite Things" and "Ghosts" in a pop way (hopefully it's clear what I mean by that), but not so for "Ascension" or "Free Jazz", say. So more challenging "out" jazz didn't make my list for that reason, just didn't seem to fit with pop singles.

Mark (MarkR), Sunday, 20 August 2006 13:08 (nineteen years ago)

I donno tho nabisco, Black Saint is a pretty 'heavy jazz listener' kind of album! Or maybe its just got some cachet outside that I'm not aware of, but that was how I had approached it at that point, as a logical endpoint for me exploring mingus' discography. ('Tijuana Moods' is always given short shrift in these things btw, jazz publications too i think)

deej.. (deej..), Sunday, 20 August 2006 14:48 (nineteen years ago)

Jazz DID have some pretty notable tracks I think would make sense in this kind of list - I'm thinking "Sidewinder" and "Song for my Father"

deej.. (deej..), Sunday, 20 August 2006 14:50 (nineteen years ago)

There's a whole lot of great 60s squareness that didn't make the cut -- I'm all about "Downtown" for the top 50 at least!

Very very true - see also, the Four Seasons.

Doctor Casino (Doctor Casino), Sunday, 20 August 2006 15:25 (nineteen years ago)

xpost

OTM, see also "grazin in the grass" big pop crossovers

m coleman (lovebug starski), Sunday, 20 August 2006 16:09 (nineteen years ago)

oh yes, horace silver and masakela sood good

hippo eats dwarlf (lfam), Sunday, 20 August 2006 16:11 (nineteen years ago)

I always thought it was bizarre, and a total indictment of the Grammys for all time, that Petula Clark won the prize over the Beatles. "Downtown" is a great single, though.

The Four Seasons were as big as the Beatles or Supremes on the radio then but even as a transistor kid I couldn't deal w/the falsetto.

m coleman (lovebug starski), Sunday, 20 August 2006 16:13 (nineteen years ago)

another thing the jazz tracks made me think: Pitchfork should have a "Month in Jazz" column along w/the dancier ones.

Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Monday, 21 August 2006 14:26 (nineteen years ago)

Jazz DID have some pretty notable tracks I think would make sense in this kind of list - I'm thinking "Sidewinder" and "Song for my Father"

Agreed. Also: "Canteloupe Island."

jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 21 August 2006 14:54 (nineteen years ago)

"take five" also peaked in the 60s, and was pretty close to making this list. lots more jazz finished in the 'next 200' - that'd be true of pretty much anything other than top 40 pop or soul, though.

scott pl. (scott pl.), Monday, 21 August 2006 14:57 (nineteen years ago)

How did the staff happen to rally around that particular Black Saint track? I assume there must have been some discussion on that count.

deej.. (deej..), Monday, 21 August 2006 15:00 (nineteen years ago)

"take five" also peaked in the 60s

Did it? I actually checked just before you posted that and saw that the album came out in '59 but didn't think to consider the track itself as a '60s single. I'd have thought that'd be a shoo-in.

jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 21 August 2006 15:05 (nineteen years ago)

i'd like to see the indvidual lists as well. i always welcome the PF decade lists, but i find the best stuff for myself looking at the individual editors' favorites.

poortheatre (poortheatre), Tuesday, 22 August 2006 21:13 (nineteen years ago)

OTM

i'm really pushing for the ballots

aaron d.g. (aaron d.g.), Tuesday, 22 August 2006 21:19 (nineteen years ago)

Will we ever get to see the individual lists? I know it sounds silly, but it's frustrating to a list freak like me (especiallly considering how many Pitchfork writers I like); the same as if Pazz & Jop didn't post their ballots. I'd be really grateful if they were put up!

aaron d.g. (aaron d.g.), Tuesday, 29 August 2006 16:24 (nineteen years ago)


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