No thread on the Girl Talk album, surely some mistake

it's fun just to 'sample spot'!!!!!!!!

Is anyone wondering if this record is going to get big enough to draw the attention of Big Labels & RIAA? With all the press it's received, I'm little worried Gregg's gonna get sued into next century, because these are Top 40 samples/platinum singles he's hawking left and right. Keep it underground.

I don't have too much else to say about it at this point except that it's my favorite album of the year.

And if anyone wants to go in a chatroom one day to help make a comprehensive list of every sample on the album, then that might be fun. Since his credits are all fucked up ("Oochie Wally" is QB's Finest, not Nas, duh!)

Plus, he won't get sued because:
a) It won't sell more than 5,000 copies
b) What would a label have to gain by suing him? He's probably broke!

Oh, fuck me!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Night_Ripper

i think "night ripper" works fantastically well as an entire mix. there are parts that i get stuck in my head occasionally -- such as ciara/sonic youth and ying yang twins/michael mcdonald -- and i mean i hear both song-sources at once. when i think "rock it, don't stop it, everybody get on the floor," i now hear chiming guitars behind it. and having listened to the whole mix several times, i'm able to anticipate the little snippets when they appear. like "okay, here's where the little arpeggiated bit from the beginning of the pumpkins' "today" comes in." to the point where it now seems so inevitable. i do remember when i first heard the elastica/ciara mash on "bounce that," it seemed awkward, but it doesn't so much anymore.

I believe I will do some adding/correcting!

The first time I listened to it, I sorta felt over-targeted, if you know what I mean.

Runner up for favorite: "Hate Me Now" plus "Say It Ain't So" makes it seem like 1997 again.

The Ciara/SY part too. It's a hell of a lot of fun. Makes a four mile run go quick.

I want to play it for my mom. That'll be the ultimate test!

"Hate Me Now" came out in 99. < /pedant >

i think jeezy over in utero is the balls for me.

you mean minus all that fucking annoying scratching? whew (his new single is OK tho)

i will 2nd that emotion.
somedays.
not all, but some.

Yeah, but you don't like mash-ups.

The rock riffs are always gonna make me think sub-2ManyDJs.

(xxpost)

I AM DISGUSTED BY ANYONE WHO THINKS ANY OF THIS SHIT COULD POSSIBLY BE GOOD

i think i need to go and vomit a little now

i mean what next, aaliyah "mashed up" with oasis??? SPARE ME.

I have zero interest in hearing this album though.

(I sort of want to make that Aaliyah/Oasis bootleg just to annoy you now. Better still, Aalyic Monkeys!)

"wacky", "student", "mashup" and "japery" = worst words in english language

the lex otm

beware this album, fun-seekers

Is there anywhere you can find the the whole mash ups?

it's part of one of his own keyboard compositions

even worse are the djs in seattle following in its footsteps, yuck!

I like the album, but that's just unexcusable. Seattle should be declared a Music-Free City. It would save the world from copious amounts of dreck.

Still, I'm gonna start loading my hard-drive with song-pieces now! My roommate's gonna try too. I'll post the results in 2008 if I pull it off! Everyone should do this.

Far more important: the sweet alarm of the synth on the chorus.

Seattle should be declared a Music-Free City. It would save the world from copious amounts of dreck.

-- The Reverend Rodney J. Greene (rodneyjgreen...), January 7th, 2007.

No Christmas card from Sir Mix-a-Lot for you this year!

otm

The idea of Girl Talk is better than its execution. The songs don't congeal into something greater than the sum of their parts,

This is patently false. That was one of the most compulsively listenable albums of last year.

terrible

Still love it.

Did you even hear it, deej? Your post above implies not.

Your post from January, I mean.

this album either makes me want to hear the songs in their entirety or it bores me because the song choices are obvious.

sometimes both at once

so so terrible

Decrying the obviousness of the song choices = way to miss the point.

OTM.

Has nobody on this thread ever heard a fucking mix album before? It's like DJ Yoda with all the fun sucked out of it and replaced by a shitload of chinstroking tedium.
OTFM

haha this disc is great
i'm white btw

we could have guessed that.

xxxpost The point of the album is recontextualizing songs you already know.

song choices being obvious aka familiar is half of why this is so great in the first place.

right :/

i'm not missing the point, i just don't care about this guy's recontextualizing.

there's nothing as complex as recontextualization going on with this album...

no matter what context i hear 'in da club' in, i don't want to hear it any more

he can recontextualize it all he wants

merely sticking songs and bits on top of each other is not recontextualizing in and of itself.

you have to have vision

a vision

yeah except most of the songs he uses aren't as dated as 'in da club.' they will be in a few years (which is obv a problem), but a good portion of the rap is stuff from 2005-6 xxxpost.

and you have to recontextualize it as something, not just lump it together with everything else

xp

but i guess you'll just say you're tired of hearing "laffy taffy" or "oh" and i still buy that. matter of taste, etc.

or tolerance rather.

"This mix CD doesn't use the songs that I like!"

"I'm not tired of Das Damen. Why doesn't he recontextualize some Das Damen?"

"This mix CD doesn't use the songs that I like!"

-- Whiney G. Weingarten, Tuesday, October 30, 2007 7:40 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

this is not a legit criticism why?

"In Da Club" still sounds tremendous.

"This mix CD doesn't use the songs that I like!"

sarcasm RIP

the album was pretty much bullshit, i'll give it another try on a party night or something

this is not a legit criticism why?

-- deej, Wednesday, October 31, 2007 12:42 AM (14 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

Because he's clearly not making his music for you.

there's nothing as complex as recontextualization going on with this album...

I'm just gonna quote something I wrote a while back:

Two stray thoughts about Girl Talk's Night Ripper:

1. When I'm listening to the album, the Ciara/Sonic Youth collision doesn't totally gel -- up against that ringing guitar, her voice is just a little off, pitch-wise. But when the mash-up surfaces in my mind a day later, it's perfect: "rock it, don't stop it, everybody get on the floor" syncs up with the stripped-down chords and it becomes this ideal blend for someone like me who appreciates slick new-school R&B as much as dirty art-school rock, triggering simultaneous memories of bumping Ciara in the car last spring and making out to Sonic Youth in high school -- even if the perfection doesn't quite exist outside of my head.

2. So much of the pleasure of Night Ripper has to do with anticipation, but it's a different kind of anticipation than in a song where you're like, "Oh oh, wait for this awesome drum fill" -- because what you're waiting for (whether it's the intro to "Another Day in Paradise" or the main lick from "Mundian to Bach Ke") a) doesn't seem to have anything to do with what you're currently hearing, and yet b) also feels completely inevitable. This is why I don't really buy the argument that the album doesn't have any replay value. It's only because I've heard it more than once that I can experience this discrete thrill -- and when it happens over and over, in rapid-fire succession over 42 minutes, it's a recipe for delirium.

In a weird way, it reminds me of performing Shakespeare: just as Night Ripper dazzlingly stitches together samples, A Midsummer Night's Dream assembles strings of iambs. And so after you've run through the show enough times, each absurd, archaic line no longer exists on its own: they all spill out in an oddly logical sequence, unbroken in your memory.

i remain unconvinced

but i guess you'll just say you're tired of hearing "laffy taffy" or "oh" and i still buy that. matter of taste, etc.

you guess wrong; i actually do like these songs but i don't like night ripper. brain explosion??

there is no dazzle for me here. "gimix" set the bar a lot higher than this..

jaymc, i guess i should elaborate... i don't see any wonderful new beasts popping out of "girl talk" because he doesn't let shit play long enough for anything interesting to happen w/ the intereaction of the songs/samples. instead, all we are left with is mp3 nerdlinger's entry in the high school talent show.

i wasn't talking to you but to deej. brain still intact, sorry duuude. idk what music you like and nor, to be honest do i really care.

i don't see any wonderful new beasts popping out of "girl talk" because he doesn't let shit play long enough for anything interesting to happen w/ the intereaction of the songs/samples.

this is really offtm. when he does something like mix 'laffy taffy' into the weezer solo it's not only awesome, but powerful and overwhelming because it happens so quickly and unexpectedly. i couldn't imagine having to wait minutes or whatever you would prefer for that to happen.

because he doesn't let shit play long enough for anything interesting to happen

Uh, you mean just taking the best parts of songs?

it's the unexpectedly part i don't buy

the whole album is so unexpected

if you like good ideas turned into boring-ass 4 minute mashups go to the hood internet and sleep, er, eat your heart out.

???

just because it's an album of mash-ups that you inherently can't predict doesn't mean you can't have expectations or predictions for what might transpire.

"hm i didn't expect a sped-up weezer solo" would fall under this category.

"hm wow another young jeezy vocal sample, how predictable" would also fall under this category.

i'm saying the very nature of the album (especially coming way after a huge hype over mashups, hell mashups are still big now) negates the whole expectations/predictability bs. you know what you're getting into when you buy this album.

i guess if novelty's half the appeal, ya lost me

wtf. i also know what i'm getting into when i buy a fucking ghostface album but that doesn't stop me from liking the hell out of it.

ugh nevermind

ANDWHAT: if you like good ideas turned into boring-ass 4 minute mashups go to the hood internet and sleep, er, eat your heart out.

-- J0rdan S., Tuesday, October 30, 2007 11:19 PM (8 seconds ago) Bookmark Link

ANDWHAT: girl talk: better than the hood internet?
hotelopera: brave words
ANDWHAT: hes gonna get his ass photoshopped talkin greasy like that
hotelopera: photoshop him into straight porn

clapton and winwood, anybody?

how about you just loop my voicemal over a vampire weekend song.

and fwiw i stand by my assertion that the hood internet shit has a bunch of good ideas, i just can't sit through the whole thing.

I like some Hood Internet stuff, too. Not all of their mash-ups work, but the ones that do (like R. Kelly vs. Broken Social Scene) really kill.

i only even know wtf the hood internet is because noted hollerboard lurker shipley told me about it

i thought that was some weird slang

i thought they just did photoshopping and the mashups merely existed in abstract

i thought that was some weird slang

-- s1ocki, Wednesday, 31 October 2007 04:57 (26 minutes ago) Link

^this

I played this on the way to and from work and ended up giving my friend/co-worker a ride home. He loved this. "It's like a collection" and "This is crazy CD!" sez he in broken English.

Anyway, a few things stuck out at me. The beginning and ending are a bit off. It gets into the thick of things too suddenly an finishes rather anticlimactically. In fact, the last quarter or so, "Silly Love Songs" vs. "We Want Pussy" aside, isn't that great. Another thing is that as often or more as he settles for adding a capella A plus instrumental B, he adds a capella A to a beat made from cutout pieces of songs B and C, then scraps it all for a two-second sample of song D that is never heard again. Lastly, Jordan hints at this, but Gillis solves the inherent problem with mashups: they sound cool for the first 30 seconds and the rest is basically just someone obnoxiously going "See? See?"

two-second sample of song D that is never heard again

lol Paula Abdul

Haha, that and "...but I am still thirsty" were the two I was thinking of in particular.

Listened to once for the 'spot the sample' game. Had no lasting appeal.

girltalk is poop. it embarasses me that he represents my hometown.

says the dude called pipecock.

listened to this for the first time in a while tonight @ work. the "kryptonite" v. "daft punk is playing at my house" bit is so well done.

"says the dude called pipecock.

-- J0rdan S."

so that must really get across how fucking bad he is, right?

I just figured out that the one-off Clipse/Grizzly Bear mashup he did uses the beat from "Shout" by Tears for Fears.

Also, someone (J0rdan S.?) said something on another thread about a new album. Any details?

yeah it was on stereogum's list of '08 albums but after some investigation i found nothing else so i imagine they just fucked up

i mean unless it just *appears* on the internet one day, but i can't imagine that they wouldn't try and promote this one

Just found this at the Paste website, of all places.

weeeird

whatever happened to babedad

i hope i didn't run him off ilx tbh. he seemed like a good enough dude

a friend of mine has been sent this to review (its on its way uk-side via gronland).
the reaction :
"It's got to be the worst bootleg album I've ever heard.

Did he hear Night Ripper?

i can see a bunch of annoying bullshit following in GT's wake

Shameless plug: I have begun the trend. Shocktor Cosmo fans unite!

so this thing exists huh

getting pumped for the new one by jamming night ripper http://i3.tinypic.com/4bfnofo.jpg

SUMMER

btw his new album has the same name as the new gorilla zoe album lololol

Def. excited.
http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1589448/20080617/girl_talk.jhtml

Whoa! Forgot about this!

getting pumped for the new one by jamming night ripper

-- J0rdan S., Monday, June 16, 2008 2:11 AM (2 days ago) Bookmark Link

http://www.libertymaven.com/wp-content/uploads/paulownsmccain.gif

haha this disc is great
i'm white btw

-- sleepingbag, Tuesday, October 30, 2007 8:00 PM (7 months ago) Bookmark Link

saw him live recently, was easily the dumbest thing i've had the misfortune to witness in years. no, make that a year - since i saw YACHT (gag).

dude does nothing on stage (except taking his clothes off), the mashups are terribly mediocre, kids acting like it was the best thing the world has ever seen, and playing really weak Kelly Clarkson remixes? it would be a case of emperor's new clothes except..no one cares.

See, white people listen to music like this: DOODEEDOODEEDOO I SHORE DO LIKE THIS FINE MUSIC YESIRREE
and black people listen like this: AWWWDAMN SURE IS FINE MUSIC YOUBETCHA
yuk yuk yuk yuk yuk

the girl talk show i went to was basically a really fun party-- but then again im a "kid" and it was a show full of "kids" so let's lend no credence to the fact that we all had fun

this rhetorical trick is (c) moonship journey to baja but dave matthews fans have a fun time at his concerts too

ILX, where people have to apologize for having fun.

ILX, where accusing people of "hating fun" seemed like a valid arguing tactic for a while 5 years ago, and a proud few still bravely cling to the dream

I don't remember the intricacies of the "hating fun" argument in this thread, nor to I care to read and/or re-read them. But using it to justify liking Girl Talk might be little more valid than using it to justify Casiotone For The Painfully Alone or jam bands or Andrew WK or some bullshit, considering dude aims to be nothing if not completely populist.

it wasn't an argument on this thread, it was one of the pervasive neverending arguments of early ILM

Who are you?

lol

i'm white btw

look, i'm not bashing people for having fun, but kids were acting like it was the MOST FUN ANYONE'S EVER HAD EVER. i'm talking like beatlemania crazy. crowd surfing, rushing the stage, dancing (or rather posing) on every elevated surface in the vicinity, complete crowd crush - its not like you could actually *dance* - i mean people were going bonkers. and i had an open mind about it - i like mashups if done well (and well to me means three elements at once, weird combinations that aren't supposed to go together, and *fun* - the nirvana/destiny's child 'smells like bootylicious' is a perfect example), and dude was just throwing hip hop acapellas over 70s/80's hits. putting a big fat kick under Kelly Clarkson isn't clever or even interesting or hip - that's a B-side Club 69 remix on the CD maxi-single. that's just lazy. add that to the fact that he seriously did *nothing* onstage, i dunno if he was just pushing play on ableton or playing a CD or what, but visually there was less to look at than a usual crummy laptop performance...

i feel that *anyone* could do what he's doing, and someone *should* come along and do it how it could/should be and steal this dude's fire.

i've been witnessing this phenomenon for years now and it used to be confined to frat/sorority types out at bars, typically wasted beyond words, and bugging out as if they're at the party at the end of the world. my friends and i used to call it 'imitating the time of your life' (can't remember where i read that) and that's what i felt happening at this GT show. i just kept looking around and going 'yeh, it's okay, but REALLY?'

me? I'm just some dude.

this is at the Movement Festival in Detroit in late May, BTW...

look, i'm not bashing people for having fun, but kids were acting like it was the MOST FUN ANYONE'S EVER HAD EVER. i'm talking like beatlemania crazy. crowd surfing, rushing the stage, dancing (or rather posing) on every elevated surface in the vicinity, complete crowd crush - its not like you could actually *dance* - i mean people were going bonkers. and i had an open mind about it - i like mashups if done well (and well to me means three elements at once, weird combinations that aren't supposed to go together, and *fun* - the nirvana/destiny's child 'smells like bootylicious' is a perfect example), and dude was just throwing hip hop acapellas over 70s/80's hits. putting a big fat kick under Kelly Clarkson isn't clever or even interesting or hip - that's a B-side Club 69 remix on the CD maxi-single. that's just lazy. add that to the fact that he seriously did *nothing* onstage, i dunno if he was just pushing play on ableton or playing a CD or what, but visually there was less to look at than a usual crummy laptop performance...

the second half of this is valid. i don't agree w/ you necessarily-- and ftr he says he does the mash ups live, how orchestrated they are in his mind, or repetitive from the night before is of course another story-- but at least it's a reasoned critique of his process and the quality of his work. hating on him as an artist bcuz ppl had more fun than you at a show is the same type of reasoning that leads too ppl hating deerhunter or w/e because how indie their audience is.

i'm white btw

yeah, i'm not saying that i was standing in a corner with my arms crossed watching people having fun and going 'SO STUPID' or anything like that. i was trying to get in the groove and the spectacle of it all at first was entertaining. i wasn't there to hate - i went accompanying a friend (pipecock's own sister if you're interested) who is much younger than me (her:22 me:34) who wanted to see what it was all about. so i went into it with a 'let's see what the big deal is all about'. i expected it to be silly and fun and sloppy, but i didn't really expect people basically screaming I AM HAVING SO MUCH FUCKING FUN OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG.

but,like you said of your own experience - it was a fun dance party, i just don't think it warranted the extreme reaction.

as for him saying he does them 'live' - i flat-out don't believe it. half the time he was standing on a table on the stage taking his clothes off, or spouting off about how "they" told him he couldn't play Kelly Clarkson, but fuck that bullshit, here it is, IN YOUR FACE "THEM"!

wooo pittsburgh

i went accompanying a friend (pipecock's own sister if you're interested)

pics?

how bout no.

does she go by pipevag?

she does not. she's actually very nice.

just imagine pipecock's frustration at having a sister who likes GT. that should be enough.

That's a fair critique of the live show, Andy, but what's your take on the album? I feel like most of it is composed of weird elements that aren't supposed to go together (even though it's all nominally pop music), and there's usually at least a dozen different samples in any three-minute chunk of the mix.

she does not. she's actually very nice.

-- BATTAGS, Wednesday, June 18, 2008 4:44 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

"actually"

I mean, I've heard a lot of terrible mash-ups that are just like slapping two songs together and seeing what happens, but Night Ripper impresses me in part because of how precise it is.

as for him saying he does them 'live' - i flat-out don't believe it. half the time he was standing on a table on the stage taking his clothes off, or spouting off about how "they" told him he couldn't play Kelly Clarkson, but fuck that bullshit, here it is, IN YOUR FACE "THEM"!

-- BATTAGS, Wednesday, June 18, 2008 4:35 PM (13 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

challops as performance art

fwiw he does let his samples play out much longer when at his shows, but i doubt that's battags' only real reservation w/ him

guys don't be batthurt

i'm not Andy, but I guess I'm flattered that you would think so. Even though I am also a writer and I used to do lots of music writing. We do share a last name though.

The album is interesting, but it doesn't gel together enough for me. I think it lacks direction. I'll give him respect for crafting something so dense and intricate, and there are moments I enjoyed but on the whole the album went in one ear and out the other.

let me clarify what i said earlier about liking mashups whose elements aren't supposed to go together, taking that 'Bootylicious' one as an example: Great mashups to me have elements that shouldn't be together but sound *perfect* that way, like if you came into it not knowing either tune, you would think that was how the song was supposed to be.

"actually"

You've *met* pipecock, right?

i havent, theres just a funny thread on 77 called 'actually' where we talk about how ppl use this word in a backhanded way

oh - not meant in that way at all, only wrt pipecock's behavior on ilx...

nah i got what you meant

me? I'm just some dude.

-- some dude, Wednesday, June 18, 2008 4:21 PM (51 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

Figured it out, anyway.

a couple nights ago this kid said to me:

"I'm getting into 'techno' like Girl Talk and shit"

aw give catchdubs a break

damn dude

fwiw i heard about this shit from girl who lives in arkansas

...

dunno just sayin girl talk seems to have gone all over even country ass bama towns in arkansas sorry pleasant plains

lol yeah ethan dont you come in here dissing the south anymore

nah i wasn't sure if you were trying to diss him or something

but in any event you are right, he has toured into like every shit hole city in the south (even the one i live in!) and it's pretty cool that he does that imo instead of sticking to seattle/chi/ny/philly/dc/atl etc

plus he's big w/ college kids so going to play at the univ of arkansas or w/e makes sense for him

me? I'm just some dude.

-- some dude, Wednesday, June 18, 2008 4:21 PM (51 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

Figured it out, anyway.

-- jaymc, Wednesday, June 18, 2008 6:13 PM (12 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

??

yeah, don't want any corny-looking white dudes hurting the credibility of the group who made those acclaimed mixtapes with Clinton Sparks

-- some dude, Wednesday, June 18, 2008 4:39 PM (48 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

alex wtf i thought honeymoons were supposed to make ppl un-grouchy

-- J0rdan S., Wednesday, June 18, 2008 4:39 PM (47 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

in conclusion, some dude is alex in nyc

tombot spelled it out much more explicitly in that thread you bumped carne

oh, now i see. thanks

yeah, don't want any corny-looking white dudes hurting the credibility of the group who made those acclaimed mixtapes with Clinton Sparks

-- some dude, Wednesday, June 18, 2008 4:39 PM (48 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

in conclusion some dude is a corny looking white dude

The Carla Bozulich thread gave it away for me.

i understand diplo thinks hes not just corny looking ...

really feeling this guys aaliyah mash up with oasis. fucking hot ass man.

so, it's out

paid $5

Paid $10, which only seemed fair considering how much I loved Night Ripper. I've listened to about half so far, still trying to decide how I feel about it, although the "Ghetto Superstar"/"Autumn Sweater" bit did make me smile on the train this morning. It does seem like he's letting samples play out a little longer (although there are also apparently more of them, too -- not sure how that works).

Maybe this is a stupid question, but is this new album the same kind of thing (which I liked)? A bunch of layered samples of hip hop/AOR/indie traxxx/alternative nation stuff? If so, is there a sample-spotting list?

(x-post - I guess that explains it!)

he doesnt put out a sample list himself, but there is a really detailed one on the wiki page for his last album, so imagine there will be one for this one pretty soon as well

Man, I wish I could edit Wikipedia at work. Someone needs to change En Vogue to Soul II Soul. Plus, some samples aren't on there yet (like Carole King's "It's Too Late" on "Give Me a Beat").

Another stupid question - he doesn't pay to clear these samples, right? (I mean, I guess the label is called Illegal Art and stuff, but - he's got to be on big labels' radars, no?).

Nope, he doesn't pay.

Also, it's Fleetwood Mac's "Gypsy" instead of "Dreams."

fwiw feed the animals is 12 mins longer than night ripper

this is definitely more like his live shows-- samples laid out pretty plainly and played for longer, doesn't seem to have any moments as intricately built up to as the "say it aint so" solo moment on night ripper or even the "laffy taffy" one

in fact he's actually using a lot of the same rap vocals ("throw some d's", "hood nigga", "i get money", "my drink n my 2 step") as when i saw him probably 8 months ago which probably gives you a window into how long he's been working on this

and how uninteresting it sounds

oh shit deej is really bringing it

but its not just rap songs from 2 years ago... its rap songs from 2 years ago over alt-rock from 6 years ago!!

or even the "laffy taffy" one

I was thinking about this exact moment earlier this morning as the kind of thing I missed on the new album. But it also took me a few listens to Night Ripper for it to really gel with me -- in fact, what amazed me about the process of listening to that album over time is how parts that sounded dissonant at first suddenly began to seem like they'd always gone together and I could anticipate each transition.

There's stuff from 2008 on here: "Sexy Can I," "Low," "Lollipop," etc.

diggin in the crates

is it lollipop over arcade fire or does he go real deep and put it over weezer

That's not the point, though...? I mean, Girl Talk thinks of what he's doing as a tribute to pop music (he talked recently about all of the "wedding songs" on the new album), and one of the interesting things about listening to Girl Talk is how it recontextualizes songs that everyone already knows. If it was about finding the most obscure samples, it wouldn't have this effect.

diggin in the 2004 iTunes folders

xxp It's "Under the Bridge," lol.

ya criticizing girl talk of all people for using popular songs doesn't really hit the mark

my favorite tribute to pop music is the radio. when i move the dial, i can go from 'lollipop' to 'under the bridge' in like 5 seconds

grandpa.jpg

http://www.theonion.com/content/node/33642

at least jaymcs arguments dont rely on the twin bastions of reasoning that are "because its fun" and "because youre old"

the grandpa joke was a cheap shot i admit but you must admit, in turn, that you sounded like a comedy grandpa there.

haha yah it was a good zing

red hot challopeppers

i defly share reservations about this stuff and i had a similar show-going experience that felt like a weirdo senior prom with all these college kids swaying back and forth onstage with their cellphones out and shirtless girl talk dude saying "OK HEY GUYS..> GUYS..." over and over again. but at the same time i like it as an exercise in pushing my pop-memory/nostalgia buttons...

nostalgia for the pop radio sounds of 2008

kind of!

you guys remember the days when "Sexy Can I" was all over the radio? those were good times

were u raped by girl talk

though the stuff i found worked the best was like biggie over elton john or whatever

xp

the nightraper xp

red hot challopeppers

-- and what

^^^nice recontextualization

ya of an ILX meme from 2008

ilx was a lot better then

lol lighten up old man, it's catchy

back in the days when memes were cool

it just sounds like one of those upbeat pop/lite-rock for your workday radio stations + a couple rap songs

add gorilla zoe and paul wall to this playlist http://b985.com/lsp/index.html & you could have the next highly anticipated girl talk LP

madonna, prince, animotion, men at work, janet jackson, fergie... all recontextualized by wacky morning djs!!

i guess youd also have to replace nickelback with clap your hands say yeah or something

i like it as an exercise in pushing my pop-memory/nostalgia buttons...

Yes, definitely.

the problem w/ this album i think is that it's kind of the album that haters like deej and ethan who know what he sounds like w/o really listening to him assume he makes, basically kitschy and in some ways obvious vocal samples over kitschy and in some ways obvious instrumental samples just laid out there for ppl to decide "this is a good idea" v. "this is not a good idea". there's no real build-up in these like there were on night ripper, and it's kind of nice but not as much fun. it sounds like his live shows do, it's just not as much fun when you are in your bedroom. i still like this a lot cuz it's like listening to the radio for an hour basically but it's def not on night ripper's level.

apart from trying to figure out the songs he stole samples from this is boring.
also,the mashup thing extract itself already.

i mean ethan isnt wrong in his zings, so i guess it comes down to whether or not you think girl talk has better ideas than most others and i do. the execution isn't there like it was imo but i dont see how anyone who liked night ripper could not at least like this too.

i think part of the problem for me isnt that its bad cuz its all obvious, but because its obvious its really hard to discern any kind of personality in his selection skills ... like there's no track that really says anything about his own taste, its just all within the same formula of top 40 hip hop x indie x 80s pop we all know and love

there's nothing that genuinely feels like its from left field, the expectation is set up going in and then its fulfilled, completely and boringly

I love the deejwhat assumption that Girl Talk is trying to make some high art here that needs to ascribe to some notion of cool or timeliness or cleverness. It's just making people freak out to dance music by taking all the best parts of songs that normal people like and squishing them together. It's exactly what a good DJ does in a 4 hour set, but in 45 minutes.

the goal isn't to learn more about gregg gillis, the goal is to get people to dance to songs they already like

it just sounds like one of those upbeat pop/lite-rock for your workday radio stations + a couple rap songs

this is the first description of this that makes me want to hear it cause 1) I like lit-rock workday radio stations and 2) I like rap so what's not to like here

i haven't heard the new album, btw

it bugs me on the same level as like people who buy "the most relaxing classical music album in the world... ever!" or something - in 2008 does anybody really need to buy a record by the dude from girl talk to bring lil wayne & red hot chili peppers to them?

then why are we talking about gregg gillis xxp

i guess like jordan admitted it comes down to whether you like the idea of girl talk or not... if you think girl talk dude is super radical then you'll go to him for your blondie + paul wall fix but if you think shit is really ugly & embarrassing youll just hit soulseek or listen to b98.5

Gillis is just the peaks of Wayne and Keidis. People aren;t going to him to hear Wayne, they go to hear the best part of Wayne and maybe hear it in a different context and setting. You can't get bent if people have different listening habits than you.

this is where i kind of agree w/ deej (long xxxp) wrt to feed the animals in particular, mostly because he seems to have purposefully cut down on his craftsmanship on this one, or more to the point he isn't working w/in his formula to create his own moments like he did on night ripper. i dont think the formula itself is the problem though.

it bugs me on the same level as like people who buy "the most relaxing classical music album in the world... ever!"

yeah this could just be a symptom of me getting older & less bothered by shit 'cause those "relaxing classical" albums used to really annoy the shit out of me, I had all kinds of cranky objections to 'em, and now my position on 'em is "does it have good music on it? k good, pity about the lame title/cover but whatever," I can date this change to when somebody gave me like the lamest-looking "Chopin for Lovers" comp & I love Chopin so I was like "God fuck this" but then I listened and it was like "damn, quality Chopin mix dudes, can't front" you know?

nah ethan i don't mean whether or not you like the idea of girl talk (by which you mean the idea of a mash-up in general), but rather if you like his ideas in particular even tho he's working with the same materials as your local station's late night dj

i only listen to chopin mixed up w/rachel stevens

xxp

plus i think Girl Talk is less of the LOL MASHUP NEON HOOD INTANETZ BONER CRUNK LET ME LICK DA LOLLERPOPS bullshit that deej/what is trying to paint him as, and more of a plunderphonics guy in the vein of Steinski and Negativland and John Oswald.

so i think it's up to taste (xp to myself), which is a boring conclusion to come to, but if you dislike the idea of mash-ups in general you shouldn't ascribe your feelings about the genre to just girl talk. i mean i dont like metal at all so i dont go in the metal threads saying that i think mastodon is awful (which i do)

i mean im sure "the most relaxing classical album in the world... ever" has some jams on it but itd be dumb to buy that off the infomercial instead of actually just copping a vivaldi LP from goodwill, especially since i would be almost as embarrassed to have that cd lying around my house as i would a girl talk cd

there's nothing wrong with being a blends DJ, and if your approach is a little different or unique, hey, great. but when that tiny little bit of difference translates to big music mags running rave reviews of your blends tape as an 'album' and kids paying to see you as a headliner in rock clubs, it's a little weird.

^^^^^
this would all be well and good if we were talking about some random best classical music cd ... EVER cd that you copped at a truck stop during a road trip, but this shit gets all kind of press and BEST ALBUM OF THE YEAR accolades

at least embarrassing "jazz music for dummies!" compilations arent getting fawning write ups in lifestyle mags

ok so then admit from the jump that it's about the press he gets more than what he's actually putting out there

and his albums aren't compilations so this is a really loose and awful comparison. compilations dont get coverage usually because it's assumed that people have heard the songs already so they don't need to be covered again. this is distinctly different.

this is destined to get the same treatment as Go! Team's "Proof of Youth," right?

plunderphonics guy in the vein of Steinski and Negativland and John Oswald.

-- Whiney G. Weingarten, Thursday, June 19, 2008 1:38 PM (7 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

except i could actually recognize a steinski mix and dude was doing more than just lol biggie/indie mash-ups

I honestly don't think Girl Talk does lolmashups tho. He was doing serious, NOISY, ugly, plunderphonic work on Illegal Art for two (excellent) records before Night Ripper. I think he just wanted to see if he could make a dance record out of it. He did and frenzy ensued.

I think it's unfair to use the word "mashups" with Girl Talk, honestly.

whiney you are right about his pre-night ripper stuff and where his head is at but feed the animals is a bunch of mashups

I think it's unfair to ever use that word, honestly. (xpost)

but i dont use that word pejoratively tho

but feed the animals is a bunch of mashups

I have like 900 albums on my desk that i have to get through for this week, so I'll return to this thread when I've heard it, I guess.

1) i am not sure why this guy in particular is getting all the attention, i think it is TOTALLY fair to call this stuff mashups--if these aren't, what is--and tons of ppl have been doing them since like 2001. so why this dude? he doens't even seem to be a particularly media-friendly personality. i have to assume ppl actually like the WAY he does it beyond just the concept...

2) saying that night ripepr or whatever is exactly like listening to the radio is kinda disingenuous, it's a funny dis but we all know it's not an exact equivalent.

3) don't know why i numbered those.

by Weezy F Baby at 01:48 PM Reply
@RaptorAvatar: he took colored-peoples' music and made it white! what's not to like, right?? and since its white..its (probably) art.

i can't believe lil wayne said that

surprisingly coherent for him too

i'm weezy btw

I can't believe I missed this thread's delights.

Girl Talk does mash-ups, for sure, but his M.O. is a lot more than "lolmashup," though -- I mean, I'd heard plenty of terrible mash-ups before Night Ripper, but the reason that album clicked for me really had to do with the flow. It wasn't just slapped together like "hey rap song + rock song lolz!!" -- it was about dropping in samples at a rapid-fire pace that alternately disorient you ("wait, where do I know that from?") and hit your pop-music pleasure spots ("oh, shit, I love this song!"), all the while building this tapestry of sound that works as its own composition. At its best, there's an intricacy to it, and that's what I respect. (I want to withhold judgment until I've listened a few times, but I think I agree with J0rdan that Feed the Animals lacks some of the intrinsic build and contours that Night Ripper has).

so it's a mashup with 10 songs in one track instead of 2, basically?

that's what i'd sya.

say

i dunno man ive been buying those 50 song "every joint off the radio + a couple classics" mix-cds since h.s. dont really see how this is different besides having more garbage music

http://www.mixtapetorrent.com/files/powercypha2.jpg
1 - Tony Touch
2 - Hurricane G
3 - Imam Thug (25 to Life)
4 - Tragedy/Khadafi
5 - Noreaga
6 - Canibus
7 - Mr. Cheeks
8 - Big Daddy Kane
9 - O.C.
10 - Fat Joe
11 - Lord Finesse
12 - Big L
13 - A.G.
14 - Diamond D
15 - Mike Miller (Powerule)
16 - Prince (Powerule)
17 - Tame One (Artifacts)
18 - El Da Sensai (Artifacts)
19 - Killah Priest
20 - Masta Killa
21 - Timbo King (Royal Fam)
22 - Shorty Prospect (Terror Squad)
23 - Big Punisher
24 - Mad Lion
25 - Yankee
26 - Rey Pirin
27 - Doo Wop (Bounce Squad)
28 - Don Black (Bounce Squad)
29 - Uneek (Bounce Squad)
30 - Angie Martinez (Hot 97)
31 - Ed Lover (Hot 97)

^^^ this ground-breaking album has over 40 different vocalists from rap, r&b and dancehall "recontextualized" over songs by other artists

http://us.st12.yimg.com/us.st.yimg.com/I/mixtapesusa_2007_47419550

# JODECI f RAEKWON & GHOSTFACE – freek ‘n you rmx
# BRANDY f MC LYTE, YO-YO & QUEEN LATIFAH – I wanna be down rmx
# TOTAL f NOTORIOUS BIG – can’t you see
# DOMINO – ghetto jam\
# CASE f FOXY BROWN & MARY J BLIGE – touch me tease me
# MARY J BLIGE f NOTORIOUS BIG – what’s the 411 rmx
# AZ – sugarhill
# MC LYTE f XSCAPE – keep on keepin’ on
# NOTORIOUS BIG – one more chance rmx
# 2PAC f JODECI – how do you want it
# R. KELLY f JAY-Z – fiesta rmx
# AALIYAH – back & forth rmx
# ADINA HOWARD – freak like me
# TLC – creep (JD rmx)
# NAS f LAURYN HILL – if I ruled the world
# BIG PUN f JOE – still not a player
# SOUL FOR REAL f HEAVY D – candy rain rmx
# LL COOL J – doin’ it
# METHOD MAN f MARY J BLIGE – I’ll be there for you rmx
# DRU HILL f THE BRAT & J.D. – in my bed rmx
# WARREN G f NATE DOGG – regulate
# 112 f NOTORIOUS BIG & MASE – only you (bad boy rmx)
# FOXY BROWN f BLACKSTREET – gotta get you home tonight
# SWV f WU-TANG CLAN – anything rmx
# MARY J BLIGE f NOTORIOUS BIG – real love rmx
# Da BRAT f NOTORIOUS BIG – da b side
# LIL KIM f ANGIE MARTINEZ, LEFT EYE, Da BRAT & MISSY – ladies night
# LAURYN HILL – that thing
# ARRESTED DEVELOPMENT – Tennessee
# LL COOL J – around the way girl
# SOUL II SOUL – back to life (hip hop rmx)
# MARIAH CAREY f OL DIRTY BASTARD – fantasy rmx
# FOXY BROWN f DRU HILL – big bad momma
# BELL BIV DEVOE – poison

Sounds cool.

not enough weezer

i was about to make the exact same joke

No thread on the Tony Touch album, surely some mistake

the key to this is all in the first post:

All the usual ILM friendly faves mashed up into one 16 track extravaganza. Pavement, MIA, Neutral Milk Hotel, Annie, even a bit of Beatles and Genesis to keep Geir happy. What's not to like?

-- Billy Dods (Billy Dods), Tuesday, August 22, 2006 11:56 AM (1 year ago) Bookmark Link

i mean, it really is all about the perhaps dubious pleasure of weezer + big pun or whatever. i don't think anyone would deny that...

i dont remember any big pun - most of the rap was stuck on either 90s obvious biggie shit or like paul wall & fergie

or whatever

string bit from that vitamin c song made me laugh

classic thread

Please i.d. these Girl Talk samples.

whose sock?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2f/Gregg_gillis.jpg

I.D. them yourself butt nugget

-- TynanTynan

ice cold!

you really can't invent a strawman this effective:

(Despite conscious, concerted efforts to like hip-hop, I've never been able to enjoy it... until now!)

that should be on a sticker on the cd

I have opted to pay $0.00 because:

I may donate later
I can't afford to pay
I don't really like Girl Talk
I don't believe in paying for music
I have already purchased this album
I don't value music made from sampling
I am part of the press, radio, or music industry
Other reasons

What do you guys think of the Mae Shi's Mixtape 2004?

i like the miley cyrus bit!

stayin' positive

not as good as Mae Shup's Mixtape

I have opted to pay $0.00 because:

I'm white btw
I don't like mashups
I've never been able to enjoy hip-hop
I would be embarrassed to have a girl talk cd lying around my house
I have like 900 albums on my desk that i have to get through for this week
I've been buying those 50 song "every joint off the radio + a couple classics" mix-cds since h.s. dont really see how this is different besides having more garbage music

Girl Talk was one of the first things my girlfriend and I got into together. She listens to it at the gym.

wiki sample list is unsurprisingly already up:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feed_The_Animals

Yes, and the changes I suggested were made, thank God.

yes, thank the lord

Girl Talk was one of the first things my girlfriend and I got into together. She listens to it at the gym.

Same thing with me any my wife. She adores Girl Talk.

thank GOD. lol xxp

I like that he gives you the option to state that as a member of the music industry, there's no fuckin' way you're paying for this.

wtf! i'm totally listening to the wrong album...what's all this stuff on imeem?

She Wants It - Girl Talk
Make It Better - Girl Talk
Watch What You Do - Girl Talk
Rockin - Girl Talk
Tragedy - Girl Talk
Freak Out - Girl Talk
Worth It - Girl Talk
Well Known Fact - Girl Talk
Aftermath - Girl Talk
Coast Without Me - Girl Talk

??? :(

"date posted: three months ago"

Thursday, March 20, 2008

New album leak is a fake!

Yesterday, someone posted a fake "leak" of my upcoming album. I was not involved in this at all. The music posted had nothing to do with me. Please spread the word that the leak was fake.

Thanks

Gregg

You can stream the new one on his MySpace page, Tape Store.

phewwww

thanks, that was mostly terrible, except for the two moments i pointed out.

also you can download it for free legally...

i don't download!

(ok, that's kinda bullshit)

oh wait a minute, this doesn't sound that much better so far!

http://flatblack.us/Pics/cryingeagle.jpg

Night RIPper

haha

wait a minute hold up

more of a plunderphonics guy in the vein of Steinski and Negativland and John Oswald.
more of a plunderphonics guy in the vein of Steinski and Negativland and John Oswald.
more of a plunderphonics guy in the vein of Steinski and Negativland and John Oswald.
more of a plunderphonics guy in the vein of Steinski and Negativland and John Oswald.
more of a plunderphonics guy in the vein of Steinski and Negativland and John Oswald.

^^^^ ??????

more of a plunderphonics guy in the vein of Steinski and Negativland and John Oswald.

^^^^!!!!!!!

>more of a plunderphonics guy in the vein of Steinski and Negativland and John Oswald.

that's completely ridiculous. the guy makes "good" mixtapes - stockhausen he ain't...

i don't download!

-- Tape Store, Thursday, June 19, 2008 5:11 PM (5 days ago) Bookmark Link

She Wants It - Girl Talk

-- Tape Store, Thursday, June 19, 2008 4:57 PM (5 days ago) Bookmark Link

IM TIIIIRED OF USIN TECHNOLOGEEEE

OK, I heard this album. It's definitely more mashuppy than Night Ripper, which is a drag.

If Night Ripper was like dance Negativland, then this is just an OK version of Radio Soulwax or Z-Trip/DJ P Uneasy Listening.

http://www.mastermix.org/index.php?page=mixes
ENJOY

http://www.discogs.com/release/835111

1 DJ P (2) Waffle House Skit
2 Glen Campbell , Unknown Artist Rhinestone Cowboy / Unknown (Break)
3 Pink Floyd Run Like Hell
4 Barry De Vorzon , Michael Viner's Incredible Bongo Band Baseball Furies Chase / Apache
5 Madonna & Depeche Mode Like A Prayer (Churchapella) / Condemnation
6 Newcleus & Bruce Hornsby & Run-DMC Jam On It / The Way It Is / It's Like That
7 Midnight Oil & Metallica Beds Are Burning / For Whom The Bell Tolls
8 Ready For The World Oh Sheila (Acappella)
9 Kansas (2) & LL Cool J Dust In The Wind / Dear Yvette (Break)
10 Phil Collins & Del Tha Funkee Homosapien In The Air Tonight / Phony Phranchise
11 Who, The Eminence Front
12 Redman & Police, The & Take 6 I'll Be Dat / Walking In Your Footsteps / Spread Love
13 Metallica & D-Nice One / Call Me D-Nice
14 John Williams (4) Imperial March (Breaks Mix)
15 Tears For Fears , D-Styles Woman In Chains / Sqratch Fetishes Of The 3rd Kind
16 Rush & Kurtis Blow Tom Sawyer / If I Ruled The World
17 AC/DC & Natural Born Chillers Back In Black / Rock The Funky Beats / Major Tom
18 Peter Schilling , Unknown Artist Major Tom (Coming Home) / Unknown (Break)
19 Unknown Artist Crank Yankers Skit
20 Pharcyde, The & Pat Benatar Passing Me By / Love Is A Battlefield
21 Eagles I Can't Tell You Why
22 Herbie Hancock & Naked Eyes & Public Enemy Rockit / Promises, Promises / Bring The Noise
23 Stan Getz & Afrika Bambaataa The Girl From Ipanema / Planet Rock
24 Afrika Bambaataa & Ratt & Cyndi Lauper Planet Rock / Round & Round / Time After Time
25 Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. , Eurythmics I Have A Dream Speech / Sweet Dreams (Are Made Of This)
26 Beatles, The , Unknown Artist Yesterday / Unknown (Break)

ztrip

classick

how has he not been sued yet? not that i want him to get sued, just curious how he gets away with it

this aight

'No Diggity' tho? c'mon now

can't resist Missy over Nu-Shooz tho

I love the Kelly Clarkson/NIN bit.. I also like that he introduces me to random weird shit I never would have listened to independantly, like "I'm A Flirt"

'random weird shit'

I'd copy and paste that to another thread if this was old nu-ilx.

No Diggity can never get played out.

I like Girl Talk's last disc, but I half-expected that -- by now -- his formula (old-school rock or pop or funk sample + nu-school hip-hop sample) would be tedious/no longer memorable. But, so far, it's still a thrill for me to hear the old and new stuff mashed together. Go figure.

I'm... sorry? that I don't listen to R Kelly without Gillis' prompting. Here are some extra bits of punctuation for the next thing I say which you find funny: '''''''''

i think deejs point is that a top 40 song by one of the biggest r&b singers of the last 15 years is neither "random" nor "weird"

yeah, but you can avoid that stuff easily: I don't listen to radio other than the CBC! To me, hearing R. Kelly is very random and weird. I think hearing a guy accused of peeing on 15 year olds sing "I'm a flirt" should be weird to even the most jaded individual :)

I listen to Top 40 radio fairly regularly, but I only heard "I'm a Flirt" a handful of times. Which is to say, I don't think it was nearly as big as its popularity among Internet critics and fans might've made it seem. (PS I prefer the Hood Internet's mash-up of "I'm a Flirt" with Broken Social Scene's "7/4 Shoreline.")

I listen to Top 40 radio fairly regularly, but I only heard "I'm a Flirt" a handful of times. Which is to say, I don't think it was nearly as big as its popularity among Internet critics and fans might've made it seem. (PS I prefer the Hood Internet's mash-up of "I'm a Flirt" with Broken Social Scene's "7/4 Shoreline.")btw i'm white

-- jaymc, Monday, July 28, 2008 11:52 AM (16 seconds ago) Bookmark Link

Chart positions

Chart (2007) [2] Peak
position
U.S. Billboard Hot 100 12
U.S. Billboard Hot 100 Airplay 4
U.S. Billboard Hot R&B/Hip-Hop Songs 2
U.S. Billboard Hot Rap Tracks 1
U.S. Billboard Pop 100 25
U.S. Billboard Rhythmic Top 40 5
New Zealand RIANZ Singles Chart 20
UK Singles Chart 18
Germany Singles Top 100 55
Swiss Singles Top 100 78
Ireland Singles Top 50 37
United World Chart 23

I'll check it out, Jaymc - I really liked their mashup of Amerie's Take Control of Me & Da Funk. Thanks!

My personal problem with the Girl Talk albums is that I can't pinpoint a good beat that I enjoy. I disagree with people above that his M.O. is sample-spotting or taste-pandering. I actually find it comforting that most people on here AND critics are willing to enjoy his Top 40 samples. However, I just kind of seem to hear a beat underneath a bunch of samples. I say "personal" because I can see how someone can disagree with me, but I think it comes down to subjective taste. He's good at what he does, and he puts on a helluva party, but when listening to the album on my own I don't enjoy many of the songs. Some of his songs are really great (that Grizzly Bear/Clipse one last year was killer), but I seem to hear the same structure on most of his songs. Generic beat + one sample he kind of sticks with for most of the song + more samples thrown in. This is due to personal preference, though, and not disagreement with the concepts behind his songs/mashups/compositions/whatever like a lot of the people do above. I wish I liked his stuff more, and I like his taste, but I'm never really drawn in to like it a lot. The reason I'm kind of addicted to the Hood Internet mashups (at least the better ones) is precisely their beat selection and the fact they match songs really well as far pitch or flow. Maybe I'm being stubborn or way too influenced by Hood Internet and traditional mashups, but I prefer a fleshed-out beat all the way through.

i would be bummed if he got sued even tho i hate this music

Yeah, I'm also wondering how he hasn't gotten sued, especially since the RIAA has sued families and children in the past for downloading and snitched on DJ Drama (who was, um, helping their artists sell and make a name for themselves). I'm guessing they think it's a booby trap.

a friend of mine who works at the apple store is going to see this dude tonite btw - wont he be disappointed!!!!

http://img120.imageshack.us/img120/3254/girltalkrs0.jpghttp://img120.imageshack.us/img120/3254/girltalkrs0.jpghttp://img120.imageshack.us/img120/3254/girltalkrs0.jpg

http://assets1.pitchforkmedia.com/images/original/144730.girltalk_1.jpg

http://flatblack.us/Pics/cryingeagle.jpg

That guy just looks unnaturally skinny. He looks like Tom Hanks in Philadelphia or something. Or like some guy who was a P.O.W. for several weeks. And he always makes this annoying "inquisitive" face. Isn't he aware that he's sort of overstaying his welcome? You'd think he might be able to step back and look at himself and say "Oh man, my annoying rosatia 'd mug has been looking disinterested on the cover of every alternative weekly this nation over, maybe I shouldn't do a Windows ad because I'm starting to oversaturate the market"

Sorry I'm really stoned right now

I think I was trying to say rosacea but whatev's

I had fun playing "spot the sample" but in the end I couldn't help thinking it was like Jive Bunny & the Mastermixers for the ADHD set. I guess I was hoping for something a little more subversive.

Or, like, "James Last's Non Stop Dance Party 27". Which also, admittedly, is a pretty hot jam.

has this crucial nick sylvester beatdown on girl talk been posted / discussed yet?

http://www.riffmarket.com/2008/12/theoretically-unpublished-piece-about.html

i thought i saw it somewhere on ilm already but maybe not.

i dont get how what hes saying about freddie hubbard makes sense there. still reading tho

i mean, freddie hubbard came up post-bebop which was all about 'art' over 'performance' -- just not sure its making the point he wants it to

i think it was more about hubbard being a technician (a jazz improviser in hubbard's case) rather than a conceptualist; he's arguing that the conceptual focus on gillis overshadows discussion about the quality of what he does.

picking hubbard sure seems kind of awkward after two days ago though.

he wrote that on the 21st, but yeah, i think unclejam has it there w/ technique vs concept

yeah i think i just think thats an off-point example that doesnt fit easily into being a technician rather than artiste or whatever

It seems like an exhausting way to say that GT = technically and conceptually dull, plus kinda abrasive and samey.

pfft it's just an overthought variation on 'he doesn't write SONGS maaan'

no its not

I think there are some awkward transitions when he's trying to get from one major section to the next, but in general I have no beef with his technique... I've spent a lot of idle hobby-time trying to do the same type of thing and it is not easy! He has a good way of milking the maximum surprise and fun out of whatever he uses...if it was just kind of slamming samples together it wouldn't have any staying power, but he manages to build the overlaps into new hooks that actually get stuck in my head now. I dunno, I think it's really great. The amount of attention on him as this guy/party god kind of works against it though, I mean the disintegration of the individual artist voice that's promised by the hyper-mash-up concept. But I guess he can't really help that.

I have opted to pay $0.00 because:

I'm white btw
I don't like mashups
I've never been able to enjoy hip-hop
I would be embarrassed to have a girl talk cd lying around my house
I have like 900 albums on my desk that i have to get through for this week
I've been buying those 50 song "every joint off the radio + a couple classics" mix-cds since h.s. dont really see how this is different besides having more garbage music

― jeff, Thursday, June 19, 2008 3:08 PM Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

LOLing at this

i kind of wanted to go to his show at Scala the other day just to see how absurd the spectacle really is

New album if anyone cares
http://www.illegal-art.net/allday/

love that cover.

is this to be a commercially-released disc? it says the download is free, and meant to be listened to as a whole (so we aren't talking about a sample song being made available for download to promote the album).

I think his previous albums were free too

anyway love girl talk can't wait

The last one was a Radiohead style pay what you want deal.

Hooray!

so it's out now! cool. haven't seen much advance buzz about it, strangely.

dl isn't working for me :(

it takes a while to kick in

Cool, had no idea this was coming!

http://magiska.vlsweb.net.br/

Ha, the Wikipedia crew are already on the sample indentification

Those crazy kids at Wikipedia.

Good one?

OK, this is pretty well done so far. It's only worth listening to once though so listen closely!

i mean, how can anyone not enjoy these four songs at the same time??

# 5:09 Iggy Pop - "Lust for Life"
# 5:09 Beastie Boys - "Hey Ladies"
# 5:15 White Town - "Your Woman"
# 5:18 Lady GaGa - "LoveGame"

Listening now, this has some really good patches! I still miss the much higher sample density on Night Ripper, and he stays on the same thing too long for my taste, but the highs are high. Dude keeps pre-empting all of my samples though!

Yeah, he's holding onto samples too long (did this on his last album though iirc, save for the Big Country solo coz that should run forever). Still, some of it's really fun.

Also Night Ripper was enough at 41 minutes. Only about halfway through this one but 70 minutes seems too long.

Some of these samples are infuriatingly familiar...hopefully wikipedia will pick up the slack.

All the single ladies over Ante Up is incredible in this mix.

Personally I think this is a lot stronger than Night Ripper was.

Can't seem to dl this... any tips?

same here

gonna just check mediafire

It took a couple of tries before it worked for me, you just have to leave it running until the DL window pops up.

Listened to about 3/4 of this and was actually surprised by how much of it I didn't recognize, particularly the music. But I was listening in my car on the highway, which makes the music harder to hear. So far "Pretty Boy Swag" over "Windowlicker" is my favorite part.

I posted a link to magiska upthread which has a hotfile download of it.

thank you kindly

What's the vocal track over Fugazi's "Waiting Room"? That one works really well.

"rude boy" right?

i wonder if this is going to -- eventually, at least -- be made available on itunes/emusic-type services. the last one was iirc.

i cant imagine the dude makes too much on record sales, especially since anyone who really cares about his shit is gonna grab the free version today

also it's much harder for him to get sued if he's putting this stuff out for free and touring hard where he's doing what thousands of other people do every night

i mean, how can anyone not enjoy these four songs at the same time??

# 5:09 Iggy Pop - "Lust for Life"
# 5:09 Beastie Boys - "Hey Ladies"
# 5:15 White Town - "Your Woman"
# 5:18 Lady GaGa - "LoveGame"

assume this question is sarcastic as i can imagine little worse

by which i mean that the "make all your money touring!!" thing actually makes sense for him as legal protection

there are some really good parts on here

girl talk shows must be the worst

i've seen him live. it was a blast.

he probably doesn't make much on record sales, but still his prior albums are available on emusic.

the instrumentals he's picking here are really good -- a lot of funkier shit and/or stuff that works as beats & a lot less "alt rock" + "rap" or just laid out instrumentals -- seems like he's thinking more about what instrumentals would sound good as samples as opposed to a kitschiness factor -- the bananarama & inxs bits work really well

Honestly not trying to pick on Whiney while he isn't here, but lol at him on Twitter bringing up the same old Girl Talk argument about how corny indie folks would never be caught dead listening to Trick Daddy otherwise.

80s pop song + rap verse = works a lot of the time
everything else = terrible failure

i'll defend whiney since he's not here

- it's a played out argument yeah, it is right tho
- also whiney is a huge 'night ripper' stan, or at least he was in 06

I just don't feel like we need to rehash that argument every time a new album rolls around.

nah you're right

i'm halfway through with this and now just hoping that he'll go through the whole thing w/o dropping a drake verse

every song being 6 minutes long does not forebode too well

hahah he really hasn't used "time after time" before??

eh it sounds just like girl talk

feel like girl talk would be a fun guy to shoot the shit with on ilm

I was <3 when ice cream paint job came on

girl talk shows must be the worst

― markers, Tuesday, November 16, 2010 7:47 AM (21 minutes ago) Bookmark

we got him to play our uni after night ripper came out, it was one of the best shows I've ever seen...at my uni

he was a pretty decent interview -- when i asked him what new shit he was digging i remember him bringing up that killer mike/trina track on here

girl talk was fun altho i find his music a little hard to dance to tbh

"wake up" was really ripe for this & it sounds great

I thought I heard a few songs he'd used before, hasn't he used "Move Bitch" before too?

and "Get Ur Freak On"?

yeah you're probably right

i apple + f'd for "get ur freak on" on the night ripper/feed the animals wiki pages & got nothing

nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo it's drake you almost did it gregg!!!!!!

girl talk shows must be the worst

― markers, Tuesday, 16 November 2010 10:47 (27 minutes ago)

why must they?

markers prob doesn't dance

girl talk shows must be the worst

― markers, Tuesday, November 16, 2010 7:47 AM (21 minutes ago) Bookmark

we got him to play our uni after night ripper came out, it was one of the best shows I've ever seen...at my uni

― odd futures I have hyped (dayo), Monday, November 15, 2010 7:09 PM (19 minutes ago)

comment was less about the music or the experience and more about the audience

well yeah

"one day" + "imagine" = smart imo

markers prob doesn't dance

― thomas smangalter (J0rdan S.), Monday, November 15, 2010 7:19 PM (11 minutes ago)

dying @ this, but obv otm

omg I can't believe you like the imagine part, I felt like that was clearly the worst single idea he's ever had

imo this is way better than feed the animals!

i dance in my chair and air guitar but that doesnt really count

i don't think it's great or as poignant as some of his stuff can be, just that it was a good idea in theory

markers can't dance, he can't talk
only thing about him is the way he walk.

comment was less about the music or the experience and more about the audience

― markers, Monday, November 15, 2010 6:29 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark

pretty sure the audience would be 100 percent people exactly like you

feel like girl talk would be a fun guy to shoot the shit with on ilm

fixed

the idea that a FUCKING MASH-UP ALBUM FOR STUDENTS gains any critical attention whatsoever in 2010 is so annoying. not fun not clever just grim and gross.

also fucking DANCE ffs (not to this)

more about the audience

what are the audiences like at the shows you go to? (xpost n/a)

mostly everyone i know that is SUPER into girl talk has terrible taste in music/fits into the category of whiney's tweet but oh well i enjoy the stuff

^^

the audiences at the shows i go to generally arent much better, but i dont go to many shows, so

always felt like the name 'feed the animals' was an indirect reference to his shows

markers prob doesn't dance, he just pulls up his pants

― thomas smangalter (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, November 16, 2010 8:19 AM (24 minutes ago) Bookmark

you know lex not everything one listens to has to be on the cutting edge of music in 2010

i always felt like the name 'feed the animals' was a direct reference to his shows, like if there are animals at his shows you should feed them

there was a duck, and a goose, and a cow at the show I went to, but nobody fed them

markers prob doesn't dance, he just pulls up his pants

― thomas smangalter (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, November 16, 2010 8:19 AM (24 minutes ago) Bookmark

― odd futures I have hyped (dayo), Monday, November 15, 2010 7:44 PM (1 minute ago)

?

my impression of his shows is that its a lot of young kids who are kinda nerdy & dont party much who find this to be a more 'acceptable' way to appreciate 'teach me how to dougie' than how 'regular ppl' just listen to it & so they go to his shows to CUT LOOSE & PERFORM THE ACT OF FUN IN A SOCIAL SETTING in a way that makes me HRO-style cynical. like ... i just get a theater kid vibe from ppl who talk about how FUNNN he is

that said this is from stories other ppl have told me about going to his shows -- "Dude it was a bunch of 19 yr olds going apeshit for, like, elton john"

Why does Lex even click on these threads?

ehh if girl talk is the gateway drug for letting loose at a trick daddy show then more power to him imo

ksh I will leave it up to you to find out

haha i dont really think it works that way, though

yeah I get it, but your argument is kinda the same as whiney's, that girl talk is a way for corny indie fux to dance to trina w/ a safety word?

i dont really know why its the only way some ppl listen to trina, but it is

it wd lead me to suspect that some ppl need things mediated thru acceptable social channels. & why those channels are 'more acceptable' ... well i guess u could say that part of my motivation for writing abt music where i do is arguing that these channels are unneccessarily closed off from other channels, & that there are connections that can be made that treats things in the other contexts, that they shouldnt be limited to playing by certain rules

but anyway this aint abt me its about girltalk! so ill leave yall alone

comment was less about the music or the experience and more about the audience

― markers, Tuesday, November 16, 2010 12:29 AM (38 minutes ago) Bookmark

In the light of day, audiences at any club or dance-based gathering are pretty awful imo. The great thing is that doesn't matter a jot when you're out dancing.

whiney told me to tell dayo he wasnt saying anything abt gt's music he just thinks its fans are lol

lol @ whip my hair making its way into this

whiney thinks fans of all music are lol so

I saw him in '06 at a small bar and it was super-fun

he's been back since, twice, and played 1500-cap theatres, and I haven't gone because I don't think it would be fun

but I'd go if he played to fifty people again, even if they're teenage douchebags who are liking it the wrong way, because it might still be fun

ugh i hate when this convo degrades to this

arguing past each other. 'fun' vs. ''fun''

kinda think yr probably all otm re: douchey girl talk superfans but if someone said 'hey gbx let's go to a girl talk show' i wouldn't say no because i thought it wouldn't be fun or that i wouldn't dance, it'd be because the tickets are probably too expensive these days

GT albums are a hard listen overall (too jarring, eventually tedious, concept wears thin), but in small doses -- and live -- he's a blast.

oh yeah that too, assume my willingness to go again includes the ticket price going back down from $60 to $16

a girl talk show is $60?

GT albums are a hard listen overall (too jarring, eventually tedious, concept wears thin), but in small doses -- and live -- he's a blast.

― Daniel, Esq., Monday, November 15, 2010 7:59 PM (16 minutes ago) Bookmark

yeah, this. this one is taking 4eva to download, but i was actually encouraged by whoever it was upthread that said the samples are "too long." there are parts of his other albums where whatever groove he's locked together with his samples seems good enough to sustain an entire track, but he's discarded it after 16 seconds.

i cant get it download at all

yeah, see the Real Love/These Eyes bit on Feed the Animals.

lil markers it took like fifteen minutes for the thing to ~start~ DLing after i clicked the link

guess thats not that bad considering in 1999 id wait a half hour for one 3 MB song to download

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/7a/RaffiRadio.jpg

I think whatever server they're hosting it on is queuing people up. this probably should have been released as an official torrent or something

anyway I'm digging this album, since it's in a similar style to feed the animals and whatever growing pains that album caused have been smoothed over by now.

i dont think there is a right way to like girl talk & if there is, chances are it's not the way that whiney does

girl talk is american dubstep

american dubstep is not girltalk, though.

http://unpiano.com/music/wp-content/uploads/2007/03/girl_talk.jpg

WOO!

let me help you with your girl talk problems

man it's always sad to hear him drop a classic jay verse because it reminds me of how bad he is right now.

also 'tenderness' is a dope track I did not know about before this album and I am thankful for the rec.

I can't get it to download either. I took the advice of this thread and let it sit, but eventually it just keeps giving me "server took too long to respond errors".

i downloaded it from the link upthread

whiney explains himself

Night Ripper was like "lets make this AOR dross infectious by only playing the money shots and adding rap." The last two are like "lets make rap hilarious by playing it against Fine Young Cannibals"

does this make you whiney's sock

would like to hear whiney's thoughts on the new kanye too

like a whiney ouija

would like to hear whiney's thoughts on the new kanye too

― dayo, Monday, November 15, 2010 11:05 PM (19 minutes ago) Bookmark

check twitter

Did you mean: whitney twitter

I feel like whiney has already put more time into this album than the girl talk dude has

What's the vocal track over Fugazi's "Waiting Room"? That one works really well.

― She Got the Shakes, Monday, November 15, 2010 4:54 PM (6 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

"rude boy" right?

― thomas smangalter (J0rdan S.), Monday, November 15, 2010 5:29 PM (6 hours ago) Bookmark

when i read this i thought it would be the other way around :(

Night Ripper was like "lets make this AOR dross infectious by only playing the money shots and adding rap." The last two are like "lets make rap hilarious by playing it against Fine Young Cannibals"

― thomas smangalter (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, November 16, 2010 1:00 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark

dunno if I agree w/ this. is there really a big diff between the sample lists for night ripper and feed the animals? the only thing's changed is the arrangements, as has been mentioned here and w/r/t to FTA he holds onto his samples for way longer. is he doing that to bring the lulz by playing rap over FYC? how about when he drops weezy over new order?

also pretty boy swag over windowlicker is genius #thesearesomeofmyfavoritethings

Yeah I still can't download it, either. Ah well.

expand the thread & use the link posted after today's revive

that's how i got it

Thanks, j0rdan.

What track does the grunt in the background in track six come from ("On and On")?

Would it be fair to say that the people on this thread who have issues with Girl Talk have a vested interest in hip-hop and how it's used and perceived? To the extent that it possibly clouds their ability to hear the albums primarily as sonic creations?

rockist about hip-hop, whodathunkit

i dunno if these ARE primarily sonic creations, the jokey social element is a big part of it surely

it's a thin line between clever and tee-hee and this guy has always walked all over it

I feel like a lot of the issues are based on the idea of a theoretical Girl Talk fan as an indie rock listener who is disdainful of or willfully uninformed about hip hop until Girl Talk makes it "acceptable" and/or "funny" by mixing hip hop with indie rock/classic rock, which seems like a very outdated concept.

OTM

unusual or unexpected juxtaposition can definitely create a humorous element in art but I think "jokey" implies a disdain or mockery on the part of the artist that I don't detect

jaymc and n/a both otm

right, exactly, sure. we can all agree that girl talk is shitty music on its own merits

Yeah, I'm not denying that he's exploiting, to some extent, the funny resonances that naturally result from mixing hip-hop and rock, but he strikes me as being very passionate about all sorts of pop music, and I think that's a big part of his widespread appeal as well.

In general I think most indie rock fans, as far as they can be generalized, are very open to hip hop. We're talking about people in their 20s-40s, the majority of which have been around hip hop (on the radio, on TV, etc) their entire lives and are actively interested in music and culture. It's not a foreign thing to them.

The furthest I would go would be to say that maybe to some Girl Talk fans, the hip hop elements are a shortcut for them to explore and hear new hip hop. Maybe they could work harder to seek out the original songs on their own, maybe they're not up to date on all the new songs, but I don't think they hear the hip hop elements of Girl Talk songs as a joke or something that's being made fun of.

part of it is an attempt to make hip-hop more palatable to those do like it by filling more of the sonic space that a lot of the music in its original form intentionally allows for. that's simply a matter of preference - how you might prefer hip-hop to sound musically, potentially. on that basis GT's problems for me revolve around his frequently corny or uninteresting choices (e.g. using classic US rock as a new backdrop for Luda) which i wouldn't wanna do myself - but there are still numerous occasions where he's doing just what i would but more effectively. the other problem is committing to the album format in this way, squeezing and condensing stuff to the point where's got to use enough vocal snippets to fill the space and that means resorting to tired old acapellas like skee-lo 'i wish' and whatnot.

think this album is great

+ if there's anything on this more annoying than will.i.am/nicki 'check it out' i'll be surprised tbh

to most folks, parties suck when they hear tunes they don't know.

The furthest I would go would be to say that maybe to some Girl Talk fans, the hip hop elements are a shortcut for them to explore and hear new hip hop.

i would like to just point out that i think this is pretty insane -- i don't think you have any ppl w/ decemberists posters on their walls going "i wonder what the other cali swag district singles are like" or "hey i should check out that first fabolous album!" because of good rap parts on girl talk albums

no but they'll be slightly better off when that scary caddy drives by and they recognize the rich boy blaring.

part of it is an attempt to make hip-hop more palatable to those do like it by filling more of the sonic space that a lot of the music in its original form intentionally allows for. that's simply a matter of preference - how you might prefer hip-hop to sound musically, potentially

"More palatable" feels strong, but I do think there's something to Girl Talk simply having fun exploring the potential of different contexts and backdrops for rapping. Especially when mainstream hip-hop's sonic aesthetic can be -- these days, at least -- fairly homogeneous.

i would like to just point out that i think this is pretty insane -- i don't think you have any ppl w/ decemberists posters on their walls going "i wonder what the other cali swag district singles are like" or "hey i should check out that first fabolous album!" because of good rap parts on girl talk albums

― thomas smangalter (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, November 16, 2010 3:36 PM (55 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

I'm not necessarily saying they're going to go out and download every hip hop song that Girl Talk samples (though I don't really think that would be "insane" either, there's a reason that people go to the effort of dissecting all his songs to identify the samples). I'm just saying that there are probably plenty of indie/Girl Talk fans who enjoy hip hop but don't make an effort to follow every single new artist or hear every new single. For them, maybe the hip hop verses on the Girl Talk album help give them an idea of what's new and worth listening to - maybe he's serving as an assessor and editor for these listeners? That might be a stretch, but I'm going to stick with my main thesis that the vast majority of people who listen to Girl Talk, while not necessarily well-informed and up-to-date on all new hip hop, have respect for the music and are interested in it.

spoken as if u even looked up other cali swag district singles j0rdan :P

i listened to the second cali swag single, it sucks

I feel like a lot of the issues are based on the idea of a theoretical Girl Talk fan as an indie rock listener who is disdainful of or willfully uninformed about hip hop until Girl Talk makes it "acceptable" and/or "funny" by mixing hip hop with indie rock/classic rock, which seems like a very outdated concept.

I don't really have an opinion on Girl Talk or their fans but I don't think tendencies like the above become outdated simply because they're around and have been identified for a while. The form of this kind of attitude constantly reproduces itself, it's just the specific examples of music to which it applies that change.

At least based on my own experiences I'd say that if anything the dismissive attitude towards rap amongst broad swathes of listeners is stronger than it was 5 years ago.

unsurprisingly i agree w/ tim

i mean for christsake

Especially when mainstream hip-hop's sonic aesthetic can be -- these days, at least -- fairly homogeneous.

― jaymc, Tuesday, November 16, 2010 3:45 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark

do u even rep for any mainstream/major label rap albums this year besides flockavelli?

xp Do you disagree with that, deej? It's not meant as a condemnation.

I just feel like 5 or 6 years ago, I could turn on the radio and hear a broader range of musical styles than I do now, from stark minimalist musique-concrete stuff like "Drop It Like It's Hot" to songs with big orchestral soul samples like "Hate It or Love It." Now you occasionally get something like "Empire State of Mind," with its glitzy showtune aesthetic, but otherwise I just a hear a lot of warmed-over electro. I dunno, like I said, I don't listen to a whole lot of hip-hop that's not on the radio, so I can't speak to the overall diversity of the genre, I just wish I was more enthusiastic about what's on B96.

And I even remember being excited when the electro aesthetic was ascendant a few years ago! I'm just kind of weary of it now and get nostalgic for R&B/hip-hop songs with jazzy guitar licks ca. 2003-04

I love Curren$y, though. I'd be stoked if that kind of style became dominant.

At least based on my own experiences I'd say that if anything the dismissive attitude towards rap amongst broad swathes of listeners is stronger than it was 5 years ago.

― Tim F, Tuesday, November 16, 2010 4:55 PM (42 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

I don't really know how to argue against your experiences except to say that my experiences have been different. This isn't meant to be a dick question, but you're British, right?

Australian, so even less reliable. Except insofar as I'm thinking of the kind of people I know who would be likely to be aware of and possibly into Girl Talk et. al. (being people informed by Pitchfork, Fader etc. rather than local coverage) as opposed to just "what do Australians think of rap."

Even the actual local music press over here basically slavishly follows the US rock/alt press and then the UK rock/alt press to a lesser extent, so, with the caveat that they're not gonna hear much mainstream US rap on the radio unless it's, like, Jay-Z or TI, people here tend to adopt a filter-down perspective on rap based on whatever the US press is saying, maybe about 12 months after the fact.

I like that this came out the week after John Oswald's vinyl re-release / re-edit of 'Plexure' - http://www.pfony.com/

That's what I like

n/a you & jaymc are contradicting each other here

xp Do you disagree with that, deej? It's not meant as a condemnation.

― Domingo Halliburton (jaymc), Tuesday, November 16, 2010 5:01 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

yes & no. no in the sense that arent all of these girl talk songs rap songs that were on the radio?
yes in the sense that while rap remains incredibly sonically diverse (particularly when compared w/ the alt rock im sure is being used on this tape) the pop charts these days tend to be dominated by either lo-fi southern rap or popelectro rap in a BEP vein

i was just using you as an example against n/a's point

this is going to be hilarious for the autogoon cru to hear me say (or possibly annoying) but jaymc, you should really try listening to the bay area rap that ive been pushing lately -- its huge & pop-sounding, even tho its objectively not popular at all outside of cali. one two three

i think its probably tru that a lot of indie listeners feel disconnected from rap now & get the feeling like rap radio right now is not the mainstream of rap now like the overlap that existed in the early 00s, and probably appreciate girl talk for having a pop ear & staying up on stuff they dont. & it also enables them to continue w/out trying to follow rap as a genre. which obv is up to whoever but imo sucks

Say Jaymc is correct and commercial rap is less engaging or exciting than it was 5 or 6 years ago - this in itself would lend weight to the notion that, for instance, Salem remixes of Gucci Mane may be finding an audience with people who are not following rap as much or as closely as they did back then (with the caveat that probably that audience is several orders of magnitude smaller than the audience for Girl Talk let alone the audience for Gucci Mane himself).

In particular the ongoing rise of what i might (for lack of a better phrase) call "lifestyle music journalism" over niche or genre music journalism (and by extension the kind of discourse that involves people who never even read Pitchfork, Fader et. al.) allows people to engage with particular instances of rap or stuff that draws on rap while being largely oblivious to the genre-as-genre in its contemporary form. The way in which lifestyle music journalism (and its discourse) increasingly appears to float free of any originating genre affiliations (e.g. pitchfork vis a vis indie rock) helps to disguise this somewhat.

It's tempting to assume that the argument "there are people who listen to Girl Talk who don't listen to much contemporary hip hop..." inevitably leads to "...and they are wrong and bad because contemporary hip hop is awesome while Girl Talk is awful" - but these are two separate propositions whose truth or falsity or independent of one another (notwithstanding that many people will either agree or disagree with both).

jaymc i think you'd really like yung humma

I'm biased against FTA because I'd heard that Steinski comp a few weeks earlier.

So far this is giving me as much of a headache as FTA.

jaymc i think you'd really like yung humma

― thomas smangalter (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, November 16, 2010 7:05 PM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

otm

whoops, I accidentally read this thread.

ha ha

so far this is giving me a headache

but (even tho i dug night ripper) maybe this just isn't my thing, as i'm the kind of guy who will walk out of the club if the DJ is playing mash-ups

Would Girl Talk be more or less annoying to people if the samples he was using were more obscure (on the rock/indie side of the equation, I mean)?

I remember getting so excited when I watched the Jay-Z documentary and he's in the studio with Rick Rubin and Rubin throws on a sample and says "check this out" and it's a deep Fugazi cut ("Closed Captioned" off End Hits, I think), and Jay-Z runs with it. I was just like "shit, I love both of these things" and it made me automatically happy.

Cool.
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xevqon_jay-rick-rubin-in-the-studio-99p-ft_webcam

more annoying xp - I think the reason I like girl talk is nailed by jaymc:

but he strikes me as being very passionate about all sorts of pop music

I mean, I think his foremost agenda is just to recast pop music in new ways that just sound good - I don't really worry about hidden agenda-pushing or hiding-vegetables-in-your-waffles handwaving

apparently GT has "copied" a 'Sure Shot/Lust For Life' mash-up i did in 2002 on this? lol points deduction...

Btw, I just listened to Yung Humma's "Lemme Smang It" and "Fried or Fertilized."

He's a little too jokey for me, but I do like the sounds, esp. on "Lemme Smang It," with its little pizzicato koto or whatever in the verse and then the luxurious synths in the chorus. (Synths like that are a big part of what I like about Ryan Leslie's Transition.)

guys this is really awful imo

ok but iirc you're the kind of guy who will walk out of the club if the DJ is playing mash-ups

haha

i used to like this stuff

it wd lead me to suspect that some ppl need things mediated thru acceptable social channels.

yeah no shit?

completely unfair imo to use girl talk as a tool to dismiss ppl who aren't really music fans to begin with--i don't even have any of the guy's records but imo the fact that they are lovingly crafted is evident and they should be more enjoyable (or at least enjoyable in a different way) to pan-genre music dorks like a lot of the ppl who post here than they are to non-music fans.

but isn't being a dork on the internet arguing about trick daddy just another mediated channel for you to come into contact with the music of trick daddy, etc, etc

people who love Girl Talk records but don't know most of the samples are like kids who laugh at every classic movie reference on the Simpsons without having seen the movies

is that a diss or not?

haha

oh, the horror

those... people

i feel like girl talk brings out the music snob in all of us

getting snobby about girl talk records is some omega level point-missing imo

I don't see how girl talk's are any less jokey than the source material. Maybe he just brings out the inherent hilarity of modern day hip hop and pop music.

i'm not being all "HOW DARE YOU!" here, i was probably one of those kids in the early years of the Simpsons but i mean...we live in this culture now where everything is built upon references upon references upon references and there'll always be people who just say context schmontext and enjoy their cultural byproducts while being completely incurious about the source material.

did i just get old, did the novelty wear off, or did this stuff ACTUALLY used to be more fun? it really feels like a bit of a chore to listen to now, rap vocal laid over rock song over and over again, just monotonous.

he just brings out the inherent hilarity of modern day hip hop and pop music

but funny hip-hop and pop is ALREADY funny, it doesn't need some loser signposting it by putting it over rock music

completely unfair imo to use girl talk as a tool to dismiss ppl who aren't really music fans to begin with--i don't even have any of the guy's records but imo the fact that they are lovingly crafted is evident and they should be more enjoyable (or at least enjoyable in a different way) to pan-genre music dorks like a lot of the ppl who post here than they are to non-music fans.

OTM. Girl Talk's motivations != Objectionable Girl Talk fans' motivations.

I recognise about 1% of the verses on GT albums and wouldn't care if they were sourced from vegetable commercials if it worked well in the musical context (actually, I think I'd prefer it). Haven't got round to listening to the new one yet but am looking forward to it.

ya im not really buying this as a covert comedy project

maybe there are people who every single time they encounter a Reese's peanut butter cup go "holy shit! chocolate and peanut butter together! this is amazing! brilliant!"

also i dont really care about whether some of his fans are less elite music lovers than the posters itt

the whole 2manydjs-style mash-up - which is what girl talk is, nothing more and a whole lot less - was such a novelty, such a fad, which made it REALLY BRIEFLY FUN FOR ONE SUMMER - nearly a decade on though, there's no point, cuz those mash-ups really only worked on the surface "lol" level - like it's not as though any of us are still busing out our "smells like teen booty" mp3s any more (i hope fucking not, anyway)

maybe there are people who every single time they encounter a Reese's peanut butter cup go "holy shit! chocolate and peanut butter together! this is amazing! brilliant!"

― some dude, Wednesday, November 17, 2010 11:47 AM (6 seconds ago) Bookmark

this is actually me tbh

the whole 2manydjs-style mash-up - which is what girl talk is, nothing more and a whole lot less - was such a novelty, such a fad, which made it REALLY BRIEFLY FUN FOR ONE SUMMER - nearly a decade on though, there's no point, cuz those mash-ups really only worked on the surface "lol" level - like it's not as though any of us are still busing out our "smells like teen booty" mp3s any more (i hope fucking not, anyway)

― lex lex lex lex lex on the track BOW (lex pretend), Wednesday, November 17, 2010 11:47 AM (9 seconds ago) Bookmark

ya im with ya here, never figured out why this guy in particular got singled out (live shows? american?)

only on ILM are people who have a passing familiarity with many of the songs on the Hot 100 considered "elites" -- not that i should complain, mind you

good to see theres an artist that still has ilxors going "what, do you hate FUN???"

but isn't being a dork on the internet arguing about trick daddy just another mediated channel for you to come into contact with the music of trick daddy, etc, etc

― thomp, Wednesday, November 17, 2010 9:22 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

i dont learn about trick daddy by arguing on ilx

u learned about trick daddy at the school of hard knocks AKA life

seriously this guy is like critic-proof. "You're missing the point by dismissing ppl who like his music for lame reasons!" maybe lame reasons are the only reason to like it & its not about hating his fans at all

imo girltalk's popularity in america comes from the fact that he's using the songs of the day and mixing them much like a dj set. for the average rube in america girltalk is probably the only 'dj' they listen to

well, y'know, Trick Daddy records are such an "eat your vegetables" kind of obligation, it's more palatable to get your RDA of southern rap mixed with some fun indie rock

seriously this guy is like critic-proof. "You're missing the point by dismissing ppl who like his music for lame reasons!" maybe lame reasons are the only reason to like it & its not about hating his fans at all

― whats goin on witchu iron mane (deej), Wednesday, November 17, 2010 11:53 AM (32 seconds ago) Bookmark

how about i don't like him but i also thing criticizing his hypothetical fans is kinda lame?