t/s: steve hillage "rainbow dome musick" vs manuel gottsching "e2-e4"

YSI??

although, i dont know what a beardo thread is.

i was given rainbow dome musick by a teacher, once, and, yes, he did have a beard. i dont have any gottsching

i spent a couple of weeks working on a remix of 'a sprinkling of clouds' but gave up as i decided the original is simply perfect.

'rainbow dome musick' is perfect wheras side 2 of 'e2-e4' isn't.

Whoa! I love a sprinkling of clouds but I am not sure it pisses on autobahn or some of the stuff off neu 75. Isi and Hero are awesome although may not make it on the beardo dance floor the same way sprinkling does.

I still have not been able to track down a copy of e2-e4 so I cant really have an opinion on that. Apparently I now have to buy rainbow dome music though.

Is there much jan hammer love on the beardo threads?

I would take Rainbow Dome Musick over E2-E4 most days of the week, but "Sunrain" off New Age Of Earth puts them both in the shade. I don't know who's overrating Göttsching either.

as for hillage - apart from 'rainbow dome musick', 'green' and 'live herald' were always my faves though i haven't played them in eons.

never really dug Gong. heard a few albums and it was always too silly/wanky. and never heard Hillage. besides Rainbow, which album should i start with or stay away from? i have easy access to Green, L, And Not Or and some BBC 1977 thing.

Is there much jan hammer love on the beardo threads?

bumrocks recently posted a David Earle Johnson track that i'm so head over heals in love with i plopped down some cash on his Time is Free album. it's just him and Hammer and it's pretty amazing. some amazing electronics, percussion workouts and a bit of the progfusion

let's also discuss the inexplicable lack of devadip carlos santana / mahavishnu john mclaughlin / xenusian brother #1 chick corea love on the beardo threads.

what have they done that's remotely disco-y/danceable?

I like "Rainbow Dome Musick" better than "E2-E4", but "Inventions for Electric Guitar" I like a lot better than either.

i just noticed that steve hillage produced sister feeling call and sons & fascination by simple minds!

i guess the melchior connection must be due to system 7 and hillage's work with the orb

re: santana, mclaughlin and corea

what have they done that's remotely disco-y/danceable?

-- jaxon (jaxon), Tuesday, 29 August 2006 01:12

here's a man what never seen crustafarians "breakdancing" at tortoise shows

so much hate for the second half of e2-e4 ;__;

u mad

sorry, i meant WHY so much hate for second half, i really dig it!

i reckon nu-balearica's penchant for noodly guitar will have won over a fair amount of hatas

i personally love it (though hillage is a better guitarist!)

on the topic of hillage, would anyone care to defend this?

CONTROVERSIAL CHALLOP:

Dreams & Desire >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> e2-e4

also: my bro's e2-e4 socks:

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2408/2391415114_67cabb5b05.jpg

i actually like Rainbow Dome Musick more than E2-E4 and only slightly more than A New Age on Earth. the guitar solo on side 1 of RDM is a work of genius, it somehow seems as otherwordly and sublime as the rest of the music despite being fairly conventional in style. whereas the soloing on E2-E4, as great as it is, somehow always takes me out of the vibe slightly, it detracts from the very gradual corroding of the synths

after listening to RDM over 30 times in the last fortnight (just an estimation, i'm not actually like counting or anything) i've come to the conclusion that it's the greatest ambient record i've ever heard. the only negative thing about it is the moog-style whining in the first half of side two, but it's only minor and i've learnt to accept it. so much great 70s music ruined by the godawful sound

oh yeah and just to bring it up to date, system 7 released a rather boring minimal techno record with derrick may this year. 3 years too late :(

http://www.discogs.com/System7-Derrick-May-I-Travel-EP/release/1817101

Oh, this is interesting. I just downloaded RDM recently and really like it. Somehow I've never got around to Gottsching yet.

Anyone into Khan? I actually became interested in Hillage when I heard a Khan song on the radio. I enjoyed his playing on it. I see that they generally got poor reviews compared to Gong though. Is the album actually worth finding?

I would take Rainbow Dome Musick over E2-E4 most days of the week, but "Sunrain" off New Age Of Earth puts them both in the shade

this is otm. i wish sunrain was 20 minutes long.

master builder is fuckin terrible

rainbow dome musick. "four ever rainbow" is good enough for harmonia's deluxe

Anyone into Khan? I actually became interested in Hillage when I heard a Khan song on the radio. I enjoyed his playing on it. I see that they generally got poor reviews compared to Gong though. Is the album actually worth finding?

I like the LP, though it took a while. Nothing really grabbed me at first, and it seemed kind of a lounge-prog style to me. But it does creep back into my mind now and then. I like all the Gong I have better, I will say.

hard to hate an album called space shanties

E2-E4 sending me into inner space atm. That is all.

rainbow dome musick, still

inventions for electric guitar is the heaviest dope

I would take Rainbow Dome Musick over E2-E4 most days of the week, but "Sunrain" off New Age Of Earth puts them both in the shade

this is otm. i wish sunrain was 20 minutes long.

― mizzell, Friday, August 28, 2009 1:53 PM (8 months ago) Bookmark

wish it was 20 days long

rainbow dome

private tapes

i'm thinking göttsching

srsly private tapes 1-6

eh too much wankery on private tapes; some good shit though

oh wait i'm thinking of the deluxe correlations n/m

hillage's guitar playing on rainbow dome musick is just ridiculous

gottsching's "dream+desire" pwns anything on this thread.

ok first opening laser tones of bois de la lune >>> pretty much everything else

inventions for electric guitar is the heaviest dope

― hobbes, Monday, May 3, 2010 4:10 PM (7 months ago) Bookmark

Been listening to this a lot lately. It's really up there. I want to listen to those private tapes as well. They're kind of hard to find though.

e2-e4 is so unbelievable. it never ever gets old and every time i put it on i have to listen to it all.

trying rainbow dome musick now. have a lot of the other stuff and second the love for "sunrain", but any other more obscure recomemndations?

also e2-e4 is the greatest running music ever.

blackouts is my favorite, even more than golden age of earth

have you heard the two fripp + eno albums?

the two from the 70s, i mean

enjoying rainbow dome musick a bit now... this is the sort of monged out shit i listen to at night. also think it could work for running though.

x-post no...

thanks for the tip on blackouts too, amazing, really diff from the other records, so much more jazzy.

damn, missed this debate. e2-e4 is great, but I way prefer Gottsching's other material. rainbow dome music turns my whole apartment into this glorious multi-colored jeweled room ... it's like inhabiting the same emotional realm the Neverending Story exists in or some late 70s-80s new agey fantasy realm. OK, I can't describe it properly, but it's pretty good.

inventions for electric guitar is the heaviest dope

― hobbes, Monday, May 3, 2010 4:10 PM (2 years ago)

so i finally grabbed a reissue of this and on first listen i'd say hobbes otm, it's also i think a more apt comparison to "rainbow dome musick". it reminds me of fripp and eno in that it sits in the middle ground between smacked out ambient ("new age of earth") prog ("blackouts") and purist german electronic vibes ("e2-e4").

i think the analogous fripp records would be "heavenly music corporation", "evening star" and "an index of metals"

not sure if we can map gong onto this scheme, hillage didn't seem to make deep inroads into this territorry

i was thinking of what musicians i'd add to this thread for discussion

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUCYq2qLxJc

jamz for the living

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QvEE9OJQx08

i accidentally rainbow domed your son

late great/am0n have you guys heard the loren nerell record that forced nostalgia put out? its p rad and reminds me a bit of 'rainbow dome', the way it develops/envelopes idk, good sounds great vibes

Yeah straight from the top of my rainbow dome

love e2e4 & rdm. didn't know sunrain though but its on infinite repeat right now. will second local garda's question up there, any other lesser known recs ?

not really "lesser known" but "fucking brilliant"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tO54hWftlnA&feature=related

as i said, "inventions for electric guitar" took my head off

checking that one out now

late great/am0n have you guys heard the loren nerell record that forced nostalgia put out? its p rad and reminds me a bit of 'rainbow dome', the way it develops/envelopes idk, good sounds great vibes
― Lamp, Tuesday, July 17, 2012 2:59 AM

don't know him, ill check it out. also wanna hear the one he did with steve roach

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-iNhqlY8hg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-RjgLLYgnDc

ultramarine is kind of a facemelter

A lot of mark mcguire's solo stuff has "inventions for electric guitar" vibes but he adds this high frequency distortion which I don't really like.

hi frequency post rock oscillations

this stuff pisses on mcguire the way sun ra pisses on yo la tengo

private tapes

― am0n, Wednesday, May 5, 2010 11:31 AM

srsly private tapes 1-6

― am0n, Wednesday, May 5, 2010 11:48 AM

get that and you'll never need any emeralds/mcguire again ; )

^basically

fell asleep last night working and listening to hillage albums

I'd never listened to this Hillage album before. It's great but E2-E4 is in a whole other category of awesome.

The 1975 Franco Falsini "Cold Nose" reissue that came out on Spectrum Spools this year totally has the Rainbow Dome Musick/Inventions vibe.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3unYuFf13HY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ypa6QFaE_A8

Where can you find those Private Tapes anymore?

Will the Private Tapes 6 CD set be released again in some form?

No, this was considered a strictly limited edition. But Manuel is thinking of some Private Tapes 7-12, which will surely be released one sunny day....

Where can you find those Private Tapes anymore?

― heated debate over derpy hooves (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, July 18, 2012 11:46 PM

no idea

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http://images.texas.ynn.com/media/2010/5/6/images/ENLARGE_01quintana.jpg

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http://images.jailbase.com/arrested/il-ccso/2012-02-02/amon-palmer-2012-0202203.pic1.jpg

lol i was just wondering if they were available anywhere at all, google was just showing me lots of old, dead links

late great are u requesting a le0nardo. i might be able to do that

http://image.spreadshirt.com/image-server/v1/compositions/1780322/views/1,width=178,height=178,interlace=true/white-hook-a-brotha-up-men_design.png

;) ;) ;)

I checked again today to make sure I still hated the guitar playing on E2-E4 and, yup

It was a beautiful sunny day and I had it really loud and I was driving through mountains, too, so if it was ever going to 'click,' today would have been the day

I remember liking New Age of Earth and Blackouts very much, and though Ash Ra Tempel were never one of my favorite krautrock bands, I always liked them OK, but I really, really don't get what people see in Gottsching's playing on this record. His tone--at least when he is "soloing"--just sounds like second-rate Knopfler through the Windham Hill pedal to me.

Before anyone asks, I have never heard Inventions For Electric Guitar or Private Tapes. Given my feelings about the wankery on E2-E4, do I need to?

IIRC inventions for electric guitar is much more similar to blackouts than to e2-e4

Hmmm. I guess I need to hear that one then, at least. Will report back!

second-rate Knopfler through the Windham Hill pedal

I am in such a state that I see this and think "...man...that sounds mellow as hell, give me some of that"

Inventions For Electric Guitar is great. I've never really liked E2-E4 either tbh.

Gottsching is doing both Inventions For Electric Guitar and E2-E4 at the Barbican in the spring but Ariel Pink is involved and I think that may harsh the whole experience for me.

Fish Rising rocks.

sorry, i meant WHY so much hate for second half, i really dig it!

― haitch, Friday, July 11, 2008 11:48 AM (fourteen years ago) bookmarkflaglink

i just listened to this album for the first time and i'll answer this 14 year old question. its because the album is so damn long. by the time you're midway through side two you just wanna yell "TURN THE MUSIC OFF!" like the guy in Nathan For You screaming about Mambo No. 5. the guitar solo is actually pretty good

i accidentally rainbow domed your son

― contenderizer, Tuesday, 17 July 2012 06:45 (ten years ago)

Friend of mine has an E2-E4 vanity plate on his car. Says the befuddled guy at the DMV said, "uh, yeah, it's available?"