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"It was the worst retirement in history"

Filed under "Only The Best Will Do"

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Thursday, 14 September 2006 16:56 (nineteen years ago)

What's (still) up with hip-hop's fascination with Chris Martin?

― Josh in Chicago (Josh in Chicago), Thursday, 14 September 2006 17:03 (nineteen years ago)

maybe he's the nu Phil Collins?

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Thursday, 14 September 2006 17:04 (nineteen years ago)

Hova and Phil covering "Easy Lover" would be bliss.

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Thursday, 14 September 2006 17:08 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.people.carleton.edu/~tonksn/aronofsky/images/injection2.jpg

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Thursday, 14 September 2006 17:13 (nineteen years ago)

hova should have done the "in the air tonight" cover for miami vice

― gear (gear), Thursday, 14 September 2006 17:13 (nineteen years ago)

LOL at "Beach Chair."

― danzig (danzig), Thursday, 14 September 2006 17:25 (nineteen years ago)

hahha "beach chair" i wonder if all his new material is culled from his retirment.

"Beach Chair"
"Nothing Beats a Hot Cup of Tea and the NY Times Crossword in the Morning"
"Sandals Really Let Your Feet Breathe, You Know?"
"I Really Should Mow The Lawn, But I Just Got Season Two of Entourage"
"Beyonce, Can You Answer That?"
"I Finally Have Time to Catch Up on My Reading"
"I Fucking Told You, I Don't Care Where We Get Takeout From!"
"God, My DSL at Home Sucks"

― M@tt He1geson: Real Name, No Gimmicks (Matt Helgeson), Thursday, 14 September 2006 17:50 (nineteen years ago)

hahahaha

― Raymond Cummings (Raymond Cummings), Thursday, 14 September 2006 17:55 (nineteen years ago)

"I Fucking Told You, I Don't Care Where We Get Takeout From!"

dying here

― Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Thursday, 14 September 2006 17:57 (nineteen years ago)

"6 Hours Straight of Minesweeper, I Wish Someone Would Call Me"

― katie quirk (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 14 September 2006 17:59 (nineteen years ago)

"Fuck a Netflix and Scratched DVDs"
"Dust Off Your Scarface Poster"

― David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 14 September 2006 18:01 (nineteen years ago)

"George Bush Doesn't Care About My Tech Portfolio"

― James.Cobo (jamescobo), Thursday, 14 September 2006 19:18 (nineteen years ago)

"99 Problems but Lawn Care Ain't One"

― Danny Aioli (Rock Hardy), Thursday, 14 September 2006 19:21 (nineteen years ago)

"(Can I Get A) Prescription Voucher?"

― James.Cobo (jamescobo), Thursday, 14 September 2006 19:37 (nineteen years ago)

"Big Nappin'"
"99 Problems (And Gettin' Out This Chair Is One)"
"Jigga My Ah Forget It"
"Slow Clock Strife"
"Dead Presidents (Wish I Was One)"
"Money, Cash, Ennui"

― Edward III (edward iii), Thursday, 14 September 2006 19:48 (nineteen years ago)

"Change Clothes."

― max (maxreax), Thursday, 14 September 2006 19:58 (nineteen years ago)

"Beyonce, Can You Answer That?"

Still my favorite.

― Edward III (edward iii), Thursday, 14 September 2006 19:58 (nineteen years ago)

Hova is finally going to do his album of standards.

― A-ron Hubbard (Hurting), Thursday, 14 September 2006 20:16 (nineteen years ago)

"Yo B, you ready? Brushes! Walking bass! I'm in the mood for love/simply because you're near me..."

― A-ron Hubbard (Hurting), Thursday, 14 September 2006 20:20 (nineteen years ago)

hova should have done the "in the air tonight" cover for miami vice
-- gear (speed.to.roa...), September 14th, 2006.

He's already done a track with Glenn Frey!

― deej.. (deej..), Thursday, 14 September 2006 20:23 (nineteen years ago)

ahah. thanks guys, this thread has provided my first office laugh of the day.
pretty wtf about "coldplay" (as timbaland calls him), though... I kinda wish he would start to dress all wigga style...

― AleXTC (AleXTC), Friday, 15 September 2006 08:57 (nineteen years ago)

Can't say I'm surprised by Coldplay...

Hova and Phil covering "Easy Lover" would be bliss.
=OTM

― Baaderonixx: the lost ILX years (baaderonixx), Friday, 15 September 2006 09:10 (nineteen years ago)

"Old Day."

― Rickey Wright (Rrrickey), Friday, 15 September 2006 09:12 (nineteen years ago)

I'm quite stupidly excited for this.

― Why does my IQ changes? (noodle vague), Friday, 15 September 2006 11:24 (nineteen years ago)

"I Finally Have Time to Catch Up on My Reading"

"Videovixen" is hopefully not one of'em.

― Nathalie (stevie nixed), Friday, 15 September 2006 11:52 (nineteen years ago)

He's an Uzi lover!

― Rowlando for the kidz (Sam Rowlands), Friday, 15 September 2006 23:12 (nineteen years ago)

It's probably not going to be that great now that he wears sandals.

― A-ron Hubbard (Hurting), Friday, 15 September 2006 23:12 (nineteen years ago)

I was hoping Kanye West and Jon Brion would continue their overweight-scenester cred producing supergroup for all eternity. Alas, it was not to be.

― Squirrel_Police (Squirrel_Police), Friday, 15 September 2006 23:18 (nineteen years ago)

I'm quite stupidly excited for this.

Oh, I poke fun, but I'll absolutely be buying this ASAP.

― James.Cobo (jamescobo), Saturday, 16 September 2006 23:10 (nineteen years ago)

Me too, there've only been a few rap albums so far this year (E-40, Ghostface, Roots) that I really got into. This seems like a sure thing.

― Marmot (marmotwolof), Saturday, 16 September 2006 23:17 (nineteen years ago)

overweight-scenester cred producing supergroup

I had to read that all out of order to make any sense out of it. I'm still not sure I know what the hell you're saying.

x-post

And HELLS YES I'll be purchasing this.

― Hoosteen (Hoosteen), Saturday, 16 September 2006 23:19 (nineteen years ago)

It means he thinks that they are well liked by fat hipsters, I think?

― Marmot (marmotwolof), Saturday, 16 September 2006 23:23 (nineteen years ago)

hahha "beach chair" i wonder if all his new material is culled from his retirment.
"Beach Chair"
"Nothing Beats a Hot Cup of Tea and the NY Times Crossword in the Morning"
"Sandals Really Let Your Feet Breathe, You Know?"
"I Really Should Mow The Lawn, But I Just Got Season Two of Entourage"
"Beyonce, Can You Answer That?"
"I Finally Have Time to Catch Up on My Reading"
"I Fucking Told You, I Don't Care Where We Get Takeout From!"
"God, My DSL at Home Sucks"

-- M@tt He1geson: Real Name, No Gimmicks (matt@game[remove]informer.com), September 14th, 2006.

What a great post

― Billy Pilgrim (Billy Pilgrim), Saturday, 16 September 2006 23:45 (nineteen years ago)

yay!

i finally picked up Reasonable Doubt, too.

― poortheatre (poortheatre), Monday, 18 September 2006 13:53 (nineteen years ago)

(shoulda went triple)

― A-ron Hubbard (Hurting), Monday, 18 September 2006 13:58 (nineteen years ago)

two weeks pass...

http://idolator.com/tunes/jay-z/leak-of-the-week-day-year-jayz-show-me-what-you-got-205822.php

― Hoosteen (Hoosteen), Saturday, 7 October 2006 05:46 (nineteen years ago)

HOVEMBER RAIN

― a|ex (Pareene), Saturday, 7 October 2006 05:59 (nineteen years ago)

STARTS NOW

― a|ex (Pareene), Saturday, 7 October 2006 05:59 (nineteen years ago)

IN HOV-TOBER

― max (maxreax), Saturday, 7 October 2006 06:05 (nineteen years ago)

OCT-HOV-ER SURPRISE

― a|ex (Pareene), Saturday, 7 October 2006 06:09 (nineteen years ago)

ROC-TÖBERFEST

― max (maxreax), Saturday, 7 October 2006 06:16 (nineteen years ago)

Kinda disappointing, but how could it not be? Sucks that he's still into that "Encore"/Elvis in Vegas sound that semi-ruined the Black Album, but this isn't quite as bad as "Bonnie & Clyde" or "Change Clothes". (So yeah, all this really proves is that Jay has gotten shit at picking first singles.) That Flav sample seems really tacked on and the drums are way too busy.

― Apocalypse '07: Rodney Strikes Back (R. J. Greene), Saturday, 7 October 2006 06:19 (nineteen years ago)

"and the drums are way too busy."

That's the beauty of it!

― MRZBW (MRZBW), Saturday, 7 October 2006 12:40 (nineteen years ago)

I like the beat. It usually takes me a few listens for Jay lyrics to really sink in.

Is that the Rumpshaker saxophone?

― A-ron Hubbard (Hurting), Saturday, 7 October 2006 13:35 (nineteen years ago)

it is the rumpshaker sax.

beat is soft soul cheese. crappy drum fills from 'the blazettes'. lazy endless loop of a beat.

sounds like a blueprint/black album outtake or something that didnt make the cut last time.

not really much of a fanfare for the new album.

hope nas' first single is better.

― titchyschneider (titchyschneider), Saturday, 7 October 2006 14:23 (nineteen years ago)

I heard Nas' album is will.i.am'd out like a motherfucker, so uh don't hold your breath.

― James.Cobo (jamescobo), Saturday, 7 October 2006 15:43 (nineteen years ago)

will.i.am >>>> just blaze

― and what (ooo), Saturday, 7 October 2006 15:49 (nineteen years ago)

I know ILM is a contrarian contest, but fuck, man, you're just out of line now.

― Alex in Baltimore (Alex in Baltimore), Saturday, 7 October 2006 16:11 (nineteen years ago)

I mean this new song is no "Hovi Baby" but I love JB's spastic jazz fusion drums.

― Alex in Baltimore (Alex in Baltimore), Saturday, 7 October 2006 16:12 (nineteen years ago)

New single is horrible, man.

Seems really lazy too me, like they cranked it out within a week.

I would've thought his comeback single would be calculated to destroy the world / clubs with its intensity, but instead, it all begins with a whimper.

― Erock Lazron (Erock Zombie), Saturday, 7 October 2006 16:17 (nineteen years ago)

And the new Nas is supposed to have 3 Will.i.Am beats at most, so I wouldn't be too worried about that.

And I'm not

― Erock Lazron (Erock Zombie), Saturday, 7 October 2006 16:18 (nineteen years ago)

I'm a big fan of overblown bombastic EW&F bullshit so I'm not complaining, but I won't call anyone a philistine for not warming up to this.

― nate p. (natepatrin), Saturday, 7 October 2006 17:12 (nineteen years ago)

wasn't nas single leaked already? "where ya'll at" is pretty good

― am0n (am0n), Saturday, 7 October 2006 17:13 (nineteen years ago)

I think "Where Y'all At" is fucking sick. It definitely smokes this new Jay single.

― A-ron Hubbard (Hurting), Saturday, 7 October 2006 17:16 (nineteen years ago)

GOAT-Z

http://xxlmag.com/online/wp-content/uploads/2006/10/jay-showeminsert.jpg

― am0n (am0n), Saturday, 7 October 2006 17:21 (nineteen years ago)

Jay-Z made that cover by color-photocopying his hands

― A-ron Hubbard (Hurting), Saturday, 7 October 2006 17:29 (nineteen years ago)

Lyrically this is about the same as every recent verse he's had. Not so good.

― deej.. (deej..), Saturday, 7 October 2006 17:36 (nineteen years ago)

I think "Where Y'all At" is fucking sick.

yep

― dmr (Renard), Saturday, 7 October 2006 17:46 (nineteen years ago)

I would've thought his comeback single would be calculated to destroy the world / clubs with its intensity, but instead, it all begins with a whimper.

most major label rap albums' lead singles are calculated to do that, few succeed, living legends are no exception.

― Alex in Baltimore (Alex in Baltimore), Saturday, 7 October 2006 17:56 (nineteen years ago)

please fit more jordan metaphors into your song

― jaxon (jaxon), Saturday, 7 October 2006 17:56 (nineteen years ago)

PLZ TELL ME MORE ABOUT YOUR COKE DEALING DAYZ THX

― A-ron Hubbard (Hurting), Saturday, 7 October 2006 18:03 (nineteen years ago)

So I kinda feel lonely in feelin this.

he's still into that "Encore"/Elvis in Vegas sound

Agreed. Except I think the whole grasping-at-grandiosity thing makes The Black Album the most exhilirating record he did post-RD. Whether or not he actually crosses the line into majesty is almost beside the point for me. It's the reach that's entertaining.

But whatevs.

― Hoosteen (Hoosteen), Saturday, 7 October 2006 18:43 (nineteen years ago)

Gah, links are all dead already. Can someone gmail me this?

― Marmot (marmotwolof), Saturday, 7 October 2006 22:10 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.limewire.com/
http://www.slsknet.org/

― jaxon (jaxon), Saturday, 7 October 2006 23:08 (nineteen years ago)

it's also been on most rap stations every hour or so, too

― Alex in Baltimore (Alex in Baltimore), Saturday, 7 October 2006 23:10 (nineteen years ago)

will.i.am >>>> just blaze

I know ILM is a contrarian contest, but fuck, man, you're just out of line now.

As of right now, its completely true. Will has been constantly growing as a producer. Just Blaze's sound is tired. (Although I'll stick up for the joints he did on the T.I. album.) If only Will could keep his fucking mouth shut.

The comment about "overblown bombastic EW&F bullshit" is OTM. Can't stand when EW&F does it, can't stand when other people do it.

― Apocalypse '07: Rodney Strikes Back (R. J. Greene), Sunday, 8 October 2006 05:49 (nineteen years ago)

I think the biggest problem with Blaze's recent work is that it's all standing in the shadow of "Breathe". Can't for the life of me figure out why Jay didn't want that one.

That being said, I would still take a Just Blaze beat every day of the week and twice on Sundays over a Will beat.

― James.Cobo (jamescobo), Sunday, 8 October 2006 16:53 (nineteen years ago)

The Just Blaze beat for "The Champ" on Ghostface's new album is sick as hell though, love that beat.

He better have a banger or two for Nas' new album.

Speaking of, I think "Where Y'all At" is just a street "single" to drum up interest. His official single won't be out for another few weeks, I'm assuming. Especially not before Jay's is out, since his album is out a month before Nas' is.

But hey, maybe we'll get lucky and have the Nas track leak sooner

― Erock Lazron (Erock Zombie), Sunday, 8 October 2006 17:58 (nineteen years ago)

"overblown bombastic EW&F bullshit" is OTM. Can't stand when EW&F does it, can't stand when other people do it.

I can't even begin to understand where you're comin from.

― Jordan (Jordan), Sunday, 8 October 2006 18:32 (nineteen years ago)

It'd be a great plot twist in the whole Jay/Nas saga if after demolishing Nas in battle and then ending the beef and signing him, Nas's first album for Jay smoked Jay's coming-out-of-retirement album

― A-ron Hubbard (Hurting), Monday, 9 October 2006 00:23 (nineteen years ago)

"after demolishing Nas in battle" ?!

What the hell are you talking about ?! Nas destroyed Jay !

Just listen to "Ether", there's no coming back from that, man

― Erock Lazron (Erock Zombie), Monday, 9 October 2006 04:37 (nineteen years ago)

uhoh

― nate p. (natepatrin), Monday, 9 October 2006 13:50 (nineteen years ago)

please fit more jordan metaphors into your song
-- jaxon (gnarls.in.charg...)

Yah.

I kinda felt the Jordan metaphors were not a good look.

― Hoosteen (Hoosteen), Monday, 9 October 2006 22:55 (nineteen years ago)

Ether is weak. I could go line by line and explain why it sucks, but I'm sure that's been done to death on other threads.

― A-ron Hubbard (Hurting), Monday, 9 October 2006 23:28 (nineteen years ago)

In terms of production I think Takeover slays, but in terms of battle Ether takes it.

I'm sure that's been done to death on other threads.

plz to link to "other threads"

― Hoosteen (Hoosteen), Monday, 9 October 2006 23:32 (nineteen years ago)

hes kidding - theres never been a jay-z vs nas thread on ilm. maybe you should start one?

― and what (ooo), Tuesday, 10 October 2006 01:04 (nineteen years ago)

Your search skills are garbage, son.

― A-ron Hubbard (Hurting), Tuesday, 10 October 2006 01:10 (nineteen years ago)

(x-post)

― A-ron Hubbard (Hurting), Tuesday, 10 October 2006 01:10 (nineteen years ago)

x-post

Do you ever get tired of sneering?

― Hoosteen (Hoosteen), Tuesday, 10 October 2006 01:25 (nineteen years ago)

I could go line by line and explain why it sucks

is what interests me. I know Jay-Z/Nas threads are universes unto themselves, but in my searches of them I couldn't find any line-by-line deconstructions of "Ether" that had the same weight ("cultural heft"?) I assume one of yours would have. I'm hoping for something beyond HOV DIDN'T WEAR HAWAIIAN SHIRTS MY COUSIN HAS PICTURES.

― Hoosteen (Hoosteen), Tuesday, 10 October 2006 01:32 (nineteen years ago)

song is decent, I do hate the "I quit/oh no I only wanted a couple of years off" thing whether in sports or literature or music though - don't be such a drama queen doodz, just say "I'm gonna rest a while" instead of milking people for that farewell tour

― Thomas Tallis (Tommy), Tuesday, 10 October 2006 01:59 (nineteen years ago)

I mean this new song is no "Hovi Baby" but I love JB's spastic jazz fusion drums.

Oh man, I like this better than Hovi Baby (and I love that tune!). Anyone know where the drums are from?

― Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 10 October 2006 03:15 (nineteen years ago)

link upthread says Johnny Pate “Shaft In Africa”

― am0n (am0n), Tuesday, 10 October 2006 03:29 (nineteen years ago)

Jay's tracklist hasn't leaked yet, but here's Nas' (apparentally) -

[01] Where Y'all At [prod. by Salaam Remi]
[02] Hip-Hop is Dead [prod. by will.i.am]
[03] War (Feat. Damian Marley) [prod. by ?]
[04] QB True G (Feat. The Game) [prod. by Dr. Dre]
[05] Play on Playa (Feat. Snoop Dogg) [prod. by Scott Storch]
[06] Blunt Ashes [prod. by Chris Webber]
[07] Let Me in the Light (Feat. Tre Williams) [Prod. by Kanye West]
[08] New York Stomp [prod. by ?]
[09] On the Ave (Feat. Jay-Z) [prod. by L.E.S]
[10] Where Are They Now [prod. by ?)
[11] Still Dreamin' (Feat. Kanye West) [prod. by Kanye West]
[12] Unforgettable (Feat. Chrisette Michelle) [prod. by will.i.am]
[13] Carry The Tradition [prod. by ?]

Just Blaze is producing one of the ?'s, will.i.am may be producing a third as well, Don't know who the other 2 producers will be, possible Premier or Large Professor. Lookin' good though

― Erock Lazron (Erock Zombie), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 04:28 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.thefader.com/blog/files/boredom.jpg
No doubt there are already a shitload of opinions everywheres about the new Jay song. We think it's totally fine and all that through the headphones and on the radio, but we don't really have shit to say until we hear that Just Blaze beat really drunk, really loud, in a real club with a real system. It's Friday, so that shouldn't be hard. Also: with all those extra live drums and the piano runs, you (almost) gotta wonder if the dude Just Blaze has been jamming to the Boredoms, cause that shit sounds like "Seadrum" Like we said - you almost gotta wonder. Anyway, we're poppin bottles tonight so DJ, CUE THAT UP.

― jaxon (jaxon), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 04:34 (nineteen years ago)

classic Fader bullshit. "omg I heard a rap song that sounds vaguely like an indie/noize band, let's write some fan fiction about our favorite rappers and over favorite indie rockers skipping through a field together!"

Funkmaster Flex leaked the title track of Kingdom Come the other day, and it's that awesome beat w/ the "Superfreak" sample that Just Blaze had up as an instrumental on his MySpace page a few months ago.

― Alex in Baltimore (Alex in Baltimore), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 11:51 (nineteen years ago)

Sweet!

― Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 13:48 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.zshare.net/audio/jay-z-kingdom-come-radio-rip-mp3.html

― Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 14:33 (nineteen years ago)

great beat! way chopped that superfreak beat in a new way.

seems like a good track, but it's kinda hard to fucking hear what's going on with all of flex's bullshit explosions and shit going on over the track...

― M@tt He1geson: Real Name, No Gimmicks (Matt Helgeson), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 15:53 (nineteen years ago)

yeah, it's pretty great. i like all the nerdy comic book references, especially when he calls himself "the flash gordon of recording" and "the bruce wayne of the game"

― Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 16:11 (nineteen years ago)

^^^I feel like thats something 'and what' is going to be quoting down the line.

― deej.. (deej..), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 16:24 (nineteen years ago)

haha

we should start pitching underhand...like...um..

Just Blaze's beat is a revelation in the way it dramatically reimagines Superfreak, I'd say it rivals some of the sampledelic best of such artist as Girl Talk and the Avalanches.

― M@tt He1geson: Real Name, No Gimmicks (Matt Helgeson), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 16:30 (nineteen years ago)

I never really felt like Jay-Z's lyrics were all that great until the Black Album, but this song has the literary qualities of Craig Finn and John Darnielle.

― deej.. (deej..), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 17:01 (nineteen years ago)

lol @ "craig finn"

An example of "underhand pitching"?

― Hoosteen (Hoosteen), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 19:42 (nineteen years ago)

I'm historically bad at detecting when deej is being sarcastic, but that was pretty hilarious.

― Alex in Baltimore (Alex in Baltimore), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 20:16 (nineteen years ago)

great beat! way chopped that superfreak beat in a new way.

seems like a good track, but it's kinda hard to fucking hear what's going on with all of flex's bullshit explosions and shit going on over the track...

Yeah, I heard this just minutes ago on the way home and had the exact same thoughts. Good beat, can't really comment on the lyrics until I can give them a proper listen.

― A-ron Hubbard (Hurting), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 22:33 (nineteen years ago)

If I were Def-Jam I'd release the Nas and the Jay-Z albums on the same day to create even more hype.

― A-ron Hubbard (Hurting), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 22:34 (nineteen years ago)

I've only heard this on my laptop speakers so far, so no real verdict on the beat yet, but

nerdy comic book references, especially when he calls himself "the flash gordon of recording" and "the bruce wayne of the game"

is kinda getting my hopes up re: the lyrics.

― Hoosteen (Hoosteen), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 22:49 (nineteen years ago)

But we already have one MF Doom

― deej.. (deej..), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 22:54 (nineteen years ago)

http://img237.imageshack.us/img237/6230/rep5022tsjs1.jpg

― Hoosteen (Hoosteen), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 23:11 (nineteen years ago)

[01] Where Y'all At [prod. by Salaam Remi]

I totally misread that as "prod. by Sam Raimi"

― Hoosteen (Hoosteen), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 23:15 (nineteen years ago)

There's a fake leak of this right now, probably started by Def Jam

It's an RNS, which are usually reliable, but it's just a bunch of random old Jay songs

Bastards !

Still, it won't be long till it leaks, probably within 2 weeks

I wanna hear that Nas / Jay choon

― Erock Lazron (Erock Zombie), Friday, 13 October 2006 01:09 (nineteen years ago)

The Making of Show Em What You Got - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E7S8Gddw1Zo

5minutes of stupid for 1minute of JustBlaze playing the hell out of some drums.

― jaxon (jaxon), Friday, 13 October 2006 23:27 (nineteen years ago)

Cute.

One day, I started visualizing the record in my head and happened to be out in L.A., there are some kids I work with out there, talented musicians that call themselves 1500 or Nothing, and when I’m out there we live in the studio for like a week. I brought the beat up in the Pro Tools session, kept my drums underneath and had the band jam on it, ‘cause I want it to feel like a performance session. I wanted it to feel like you’re at a show. So that’s what we did. I directed them. I was just like, “This is the vision.” We did it three times and I took the best parts of each take. As the record goes on, I wanted it to escalate little by little. It never gets to a point where it feels that it turns into a performance rather than a record.

So maybe that's where those sick-ass drum fills come from, if not from the Shaft in Africa record?

― Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 17 October 2006 01:30 (nineteen years ago)

Supposedly somebody busted into Jay Z's hotel room in Africa and stole a copy of "Kingdom Come", then e-mailed copies to several bootleg networks .... or some such

If that is the case (and it sounds kind of weird, but anyway) the record should leak everywhere within the next few days

If it's not true, whatever, it'll be here soon

I wanna hear that Nas track though

― Erock Lazron (Erock Zombie), Tuesday, 17 October 2006 04:01 (nineteen years ago)

NIGERIAN SPAMMER HOTEL ROOM INVASION ATTACK

― A-ron Hubbard (Hurting), Tuesday, 17 October 2006 04:23 (nineteen years ago)

New AZ > new Jay Z

― Dimehitter Dwayne Hosey (dwaynehosey), Tuesday, 17 October 2006 11:35 (nineteen years ago)

New album cover revealed:

http://concreteloop.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/10/js2.jpg

― matt2 (matt2), Tuesday, 17 October 2006 15:20 (nineteen years ago)

Another song has leaked. "Lost Ones". It's the best song so far just in that it feels so ordinary. Any rapper could have made it, which is a nice change of pace from all the "look at me, I'm Jay-Z" bullshit. His rapping is actually kinda interesting as he's not actively feeding his ego. And the beat's pretty simple and not all Just Blaze fireworks and stuff. It's pretty good.

― Rodney... (R. J. Greene), Thursday, 26 October 2006 07:45 (nineteen years ago)

I was not feeling the first two songs, but I liked the Lost Ones track a lot when I first heard it. On second listen, it's good but...

Jay lost his flow.

― Colin Cassidy (Colin Cassidy), Thursday, 26 October 2006 07:55 (nineteen years ago)

"Lost ones" is corny as hell.

Apparently it's a Dre beat too.

― Dimehitter Dwayne Hosey (dwaynehosey), Thursday, 26 October 2006 08:15 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, I have yet to hear any top-form Jay on any of these tracks so far.

I hope he takes some risks on this album - I'm getting a little tired of his golden boy schtick.

― A-ron Hubbard (Hurting), Thursday, 26 October 2006 11:55 (nineteen years ago)

the Lost Ones beat fucking sucks. it's like a J5/Ugly Duckling throwaway

― jaxon (jaxon), Thursday, 26 October 2006 17:07 (nineteen years ago)

"Lost Ones" is about Jay's nephew who died last year (that's who the Colleek referenced in the last chorus is), and with that in mind it sounds kinda heartfelt but yeah overall it's a weak song. I don't know why they're even leaking so many songs this far ahead of time (if the label is in fact doing so deliberately), there's probably only going to be 12-13 songs on it and it'll probably sell better if people haven't heard it all for weeks by the time they can buy it.

― Alex in Baltimore (Alex in Baltimore), Thursday, 26 October 2006 19:29 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, I don't know what the fuck is going on with his flow.

One of the first lines in "Show Me What You Got" is something along the lines of "Already gave the summer some/It's the winter time." Given the seasonal connotations, I was thinking we were going to get an introspective Jay on this record. "Lost Ones" may be evidence of that, but if this is introspective Jay, give me back the hustler!

You could cast this as a transitional album, but using his Comeback as a Transition isn't really gonna reestablish him.

― Hoosteen (Hoosteen), Thursday, 26 October 2006 20:55 (nineteen years ago)

I kind of hate his whole obsession w/ supposedly running the summer every year. Sure, just about every summer he's had some sort of notable single or guest appearance on the radio, but Reasonable Doubt and Blueprint were the only albums he ever released during the actual summer, everything else dropped between late September and December. This is like the 4th time he's released an album in November, and somehow only this time "it's the winter's turn"?

― Alex in Baltimore (Alex in Baltimore), Thursday, 26 October 2006 21:14 (nineteen years ago)

made glorious summer by this son of New York

SORRY SORRY SORRY

― Thomas Tallis (Tommy), Thursday, 26 October 2006 21:34 (nineteen years ago)

ruining the summer every year

― and what (ooo), Thursday, 26 October 2006 21:39 (nineteen years ago)

tt, why u break heart.

― Hoosteen (Hoosteen), Thursday, 26 October 2006 21:41 (nineteen years ago)

just when you thought jay-z records didnt get worse than the black album

― and what (ooo), Thursday, 26 October 2006 21:43 (nineteen years ago)

Seeing the budweiser commercial during the world series had me changing my mind and i like the beat for 'show me what you got' now. It is very Las Vegas.

― deej.. (deej..), Thursday, 26 October 2006 23:01 (nineteen years ago)

fo weelz aka otm.

― Hoosteen (Hoosteen), Thursday, 26 October 2006 23:44 (nineteen years ago)

I heard Show Me What You Got again and it just strikes me as a mess. I mean it's not that the beat is bad, but there's too much going on and Jay's voice is bumping up against the horn shots and extra drums all the time, and the chorus is a total throwaway. Generally sounds like something I would think was alright if it was just one of those unreleased street tracks.

― A-ron Hubbard (Hurting), Friday, 27 October 2006 00:20 (nineteen years ago)

I just like the way the rump shaker sax sounds when the levels are turned all the way up.

― deej.. (deej..), Friday, 27 October 2006 00:31 (nineteen years ago)

I'm all about the over the top drums and excitable horns. Jay sounds like he's just reveling in it. I wish he turned in better lyrics, but he sounds like he's having hella fun, and that adds an extra dimension.

― Hoosteen (Hoosteen), Friday, 27 October 2006 02:32 (nineteen years ago)

of fun.

― Hoosteen (Hoosteen), Friday, 27 October 2006 02:32 (nineteen years ago)

http://soul-sides.com/2006/10/jay-z-rulers-back.html

original samples for Show Me What U Got. i;ve never heard that Afro Lafayette Band before.

― jaxon (jaxon), Friday, 27 October 2006 02:36 (nineteen years ago)

All right Malice just told me that he loves Coldplay too; once Weezy chimes in, we better start a thread to get to the bottom of this

― Roque Strew (RoqueStrew), Friday, 27 October 2006 03:34 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, I've sorta come around to the "Show Me What You Got" beat too, but Jay still sounds lazy on it and the Flav sample just doesn't work.

― Rodney... (R. J. Greene), Friday, 27 October 2006 03:39 (nineteen years ago)

I thought teh hiphop Coldplay love was a well known thing.

― Rodney... (R. J. Greene), Friday, 27 October 2006 03:40 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, in my mind Jay is 0/3 so far with this album.

Thank god that Nas album is on the way though, am I right ?

We'll actually get some good beats AND substance for a change

― Erock Lazron (Erock Zombie), Friday, 27 October 2006 03:53 (nineteen years ago)

Nas has "substance".

It's just that his songs with "substance" are boring (any of his political or social songs) or gay (any personal song he made about his dead mom, his cornball pops or being in love with Kelis).

He's only ever good when he's making songs like "made u look", "get down", "no ideas original", "thief's theme" and AZ's "serious", which he could probably do in his sleep, over classic Ultimate Breaks samples. Nobody really gives a shit about his other stuff.

I wish he'd leak the Salaam Remi produced songs already so everyone can get this album outta the way.

― Dimehitter Dwayne Hosey (dwaynehosey), Friday, 27 October 2006 13:24 (nineteen years ago)

After a couple weeks I'm not too big on "Show Me" for most of the same reasons everyone else are and I find it hilarious that Diddy made damn near the same beat, sans Afro Lafayette horns/hyperactive drums for "We Gon' Make It" -- in other words, subtler

― nate p. (natepatrin), Friday, 27 October 2006 13:32 (nineteen years ago)

K. Def did that beat for Puffy and Jay got Just Blaze to bite that shit wholesale after he heard it at the studio session, so the story goes.

And i can well believe it after the "stsy real"/"p.s.a" fiasco.

― Dimehitter Dwayne Hosey (dwaynehosey), Friday, 27 October 2006 13:45 (nineteen years ago)

I really dig that Nas line "...no AKs/I'm the ambassador/Robin Hood in the Aston Mar" and I don't know why. It just sounds good, and I keep hearing it in my head.

― A-ron Hubbard (Hurting), Friday, 27 October 2006 14:00 (nineteen years ago)

hmmm..this thread is bumming me out.

i wanna be excited about a new jay-z album.

but i don't know, i'm not as excited as i want to be.

― M@tt He1geson: Real Name, No Gimmicks (Matt Helgeson), Friday, 27 October 2006 14:41 (nineteen years ago)

He kind of set himself up to disappoint folks, but I'll hold out for the rest of the album.

― A-ron Hubbard (Hurting), Friday, 27 October 2006 14:47 (nineteen years ago)

Video here:

http://www.rocafella.com/News.aspx?item=102676#

I'm wondering who the dude driving him around is - big cheesy smile on his face.

― A-ron Hubbard (Hurting), Friday, 27 October 2006 15:40 (nineteen years ago)

Actually their embedded player isn't working right for me - can only see the beginning.

― A-ron Hubbard (Hurting), Friday, 27 October 2006 15:42 (nineteen years ago)

I'm wondering who the dude driving him around is - big cheesy smile on his face.

uh, doesn't "Dale Earnhardt Jr." flash all over the screen in big letters?

― Alex in Baltimore (Alex in Baltimore), Friday, 27 October 2006 16:38 (nineteen years ago)

"NY State of Mind" is one of my favorite songs, period.

But Nas' fascination with analingus kind of freaks me out.

― Hoosteen (Hoosteen), Friday, 27 October 2006 16:42 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, a couple of the songs on Street's Disciple are unlistenable cause Nasty Nas gets a bit too nasty for his own good.

― Rodney... (R. J. Greene), Friday, 27 October 2006 18:21 (nineteen years ago)

when did jay start telegraphing every gay punchline kill at will/solid water/ICE CUBE!!@ style

― and what (ooo), Friday, 27 October 2006 19:41 (nineteen years ago)

uh, doesn't "Dale Earnhardt Jr." flash all over the screen in big letters?

-- Alex in Baltimore (shipley.a...), October 27th, 2006.

I only saw the first 30 seconds.

― A-ron Hubbard (Hurting), Friday, 27 October 2006 21:26 (nineteen years ago)

Anybody heard the Hot 97 freestyle? It's on AllHipHop. 4 and a half minutes, roughly two of which are piddlin and two of which are better than anything he's put out in the last 3 years.

― Hoosteen (Hoosteen), Thursday, 2 November 2006 01:45 (nineteen years ago)

I just heard a bit of it on the way home today - it was definitely better than the songs that are out so far from the new album.

― A-ron Hubbard (Hurting), Thursday, 2 November 2006 01:50 (nineteen years ago)

Haha, for a second I thought he said "Tryina folow in my shoes with Jewfros"

I also kept hearing him talking about "silly baguettes"

― A-ron Hubbard (Hurting), Thursday, 2 November 2006 01:55 (nineteen years ago)

A few choice excerpts:

operation take over corporate
make over offices
then take over all of it
please may these words be recorded
to serve as testimony that i saw it all before it
came to fruition sort of a premonition
uncontrollable hustler's ambition
alias superstition, like stevie
the writing's on the wall like my lady, right b?
[...]
the more successful the more stressful
the more and more i transform the [?]
in the race to a billion
i got my face to the ceiling
got my knees on the floor
please lord forgive em
has he lost his religion?
is the greed gon' get him?
he's havin heaven on earth
will his wings still fit him?

― Hoosteen (Hoosteen), Thursday, 2 November 2006 02:01 (nineteen years ago)

Seriously though I think this shit is dope.

― A-ron Hubbard (Hurting), Thursday, 2 November 2006 02:01 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, "silly baguettes/silly begets silly"

x-post

― Hoosteen (Hoosteen), Thursday, 2 November 2006 02:02 (nineteen years ago)

The Jesus/Judas Caesar/Brutus part is great.

― A-ron Hubbard (Hurting), Thursday, 2 November 2006 02:04 (nineteen years ago)

"Same sword they knight you they gonna good night you with
Shit that's only half if they like you
That ain't he even the half what they might do
Don't believe me ask Michael
See Martin, see Malcolm
You see Biggie, see Pac, see success and its outcome
See Jesus, see Judas
See Ceasar, see Brutus
See success is like suicide
Suicide, it's a suicide
If you succeed prepare to be crucified"

fiiiire

― max (maxreax), Thursday, 2 November 2006 02:07 (nineteen years ago)

The Jesus/Judas Caesar/Brutus part is great

FUCK YES.

― Hoosteen (Hoosteen), Thursday, 2 November 2006 02:10 (nineteen years ago)

I heard this at 9 oclock this morning and have been slogging through poxy fules all day trying get this mention up.

― Hoosteen (Hoosteen), Thursday, 2 November 2006 02:10 (nineteen years ago)

Only Jay-Z can manage to whine about success and make me want to listen.

― A-ron Hubbard (Hurting), Thursday, 2 November 2006 02:13 (nineteen years ago)

ehh, that Funk Flex freestyle is kind of a mess, half the time he's just mumbling incoherently and taking his 'rain man' schtick to ridiculous extremes. and it's rare that his radio freestyles aren't recycled from unreleased songs, so I'm sure most of those lyrics will end up on Kingdom Come and some of them have already shown up on a leaked freestyle from his upcoming mixtape w/ Green Lantern. there's a pretty funny example of what Ethan was just talking about ("telegraphing every gay punchline") where Jay stops and explains a Dr. J/76's reference. I think that Jay being really good at writing to the beat means that his freestyles usually suck because he's trying to force the rhyme to fit a beat he didn't write it to.

― Alex in Baltimore (Alex in Baltimore), Thursday, 2 November 2006 03:04 (nineteen years ago)

Jay being really good at writing to the beat means that his freestyles usually suck because he's trying to force the rhyme to fit a beat he didn't write it to.

that Funk Flex freestyle is kind of a mess, half the time he's just mumbling incoherently

You've got a point: there's definitely some mess in here, but once he gets on it he gets the fuck on it. The second half fucking killed me.

― Hoosteen (Hoosteen), Thursday, 2 November 2006 03:15 (nineteen years ago)

nothing i love more about ilm than watching 'a-ron hubbard' & 'hoosteen' trip over each other to suck nu-jigga dick

― and what (ooo), Thursday, 2 November 2006 03:20 (nineteen years ago)

Feel better now?

― Hoosteen (Hoosteen), Thursday, 2 November 2006 03:30 (nineteen years ago)

was gonna go trade in old CDs for a death metal record today, but i'll probably just hold out for a few weeks to cop this.

― Raymond Cummings (Raymond Cummings), Thursday, 2 November 2006 12:48 (nineteen years ago)

ahahhahah

― am0n (am0n), Thursday, 2 November 2006 13:48 (nineteen years ago)

It's rare that his radio freestyles aren't recycled from unreleased songs, so I'm sure most of those lyrics will end up on Kingdom Come and some of them have already shown up on a leaked freestyle from his upcoming mixtape w/ Green Lantern

Yeah, I kind of figured as much - I always figured his reluctance to truly freestyle was part of some kind of control-freak thing where he needs to "maintain his brand image" or something like that.

― A-ron Hubbard (Hurting), Thursday, 2 November 2006 13:54 (nineteen years ago)

i dunno. i was all excited for this freestyle...but it sound so wierd and stilted..the flow is all messed up...the lyric READ awesome, but i don't like how he delivers them.

― M@tt He1geson: Real Name, No Gimmicks (Matt Helgeson), Thursday, 2 November 2006 16:41 (nineteen years ago)

so far the chops rmx of show me whatcha got is the only listenable track this abortion of a comeback has produced

― and what (ooo), Thursday, 2 November 2006 19:35 (nineteen years ago)

Like Matt H said and Hoosteen said way above about "Lost Ones" something totally seems up with his flow. It seems way off beat in spots on both this freestyle and "Lost Ones" and even a bit on "Show Me What You Got." He seems to just be going at his own pace regardless of the beat.

― matt2 (matt2), Friday, 3 November 2006 03:17 (nineteen years ago)

there's a remix of show me what you got where lil wayne just MURDERS it in the way jay should have... "i am the best rapper alive" = the new "best rapper alive since the best rapper retired"

― max (maxreax), Friday, 3 November 2006 03:46 (nineteen years ago)

Where might'n I find that, Max?

― Hoosteen (Hoosteen), Friday, 3 November 2006 05:14 (nineteen years ago)

http://xxlmag.com/online/?p=5888

― Alex in Baltimore (Alex in Baltimore), Friday, 3 November 2006 05:20 (nineteen years ago)

he even rocks the nba analogy in a semi-interesting way, which is more than i can say for shawn

― max (maxreax), Friday, 3 November 2006 05:23 (nineteen years ago)

Weak.

― A-ron Hubbard (Hurting), Friday, 3 November 2006 05:30 (nineteen years ago)

I disagree A-ron.

The flow was rock solid and his lyrics were entertaining as fuck, which is more than I can say for Hov. Mortal Kombat references came out of left field. I loved it.

― Hoosteen (Hoosteen), Friday, 3 November 2006 05:38 (nineteen years ago)

blah blah blah blah BLAH like BLAH BLAH
blah blah blah blah BLAH like BLAH BLAH
blah blah blah blah BLAH like BLAH BLAH

― A-ron Hubbard (Hurting), Friday, 3 November 2006 05:39 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, I said "rock solid." It's not full of stretches or bends, no real rhythmic thrills, but I'll take A flow over Hov's search-for-a-flow on the original.

― Hoosteen (Hoosteen), Friday, 3 November 2006 05:42 (nineteen years ago)

something totally seems up with his flow. It seems way off beat in spots on both this freestyle and "Lost Ones" and even a bit on "Show Me What You Got." He seems to just be going at his own pace regardless of the beat.

It's always been part of Jay-Z's schtick to play-faint against the beat. I didn't notice him doing it on the freestyle any more than usual, but I haven't heard Lost Ones. Flow =/= being a metronome. On Show Me What You Got though I agree he never really hits his stride.

― A-ron Hubbard (Hurting), Friday, 3 November 2006 05:43 (nineteen years ago)

xpost I have a personal thing about the overuse of unconnected similes in hip-hop though.

― A-ron Hubbard (Hurting), Friday, 3 November 2006 05:44 (nineteen years ago)

that lil wayne show me what you got is pretty crazy....the mortal kombat stuff is awesome, but the real wild one for me was the fucking seahawks great STEVE LARGENT reference! haha awesome.

― M@tt He1geson: Real Name, No Gimmicks (Matt Helgeson), Friday, 3 November 2006 15:36 (nineteen years ago)

play-faint against the beat

That's the perfect phrase for what I was trying to say re: the "stretches or bends, real rhythmic thrills" that Hov usually provides.

― Hoosteen (Hoosteen), Friday, 3 November 2006 16:05 (nineteen years ago)

yeah except now it sounds just awkward and muddled, at least on that freestyle and show me whatcha got.

― M@tt He1geson: Real Name, No Gimmicks (Matt Helgeson), Friday, 3 November 2006 16:06 (nineteen years ago)

Totally.

― Hoosteen (Hoosteen), Friday, 3 November 2006 16:08 (nineteen years ago)

I've probably said it in so many words somewhere here before, but I kind of hate the whiny tone that's always been in Jay's speaking voice but has only started to creep into his rapping in the past 5 years. I love the whole era from Vol. 1 to The Dynasty because that's when he sounded his coldest and most precise and authoritative. Compare any of his doubletime flows from back then to that bullshit Mariah remix from last year, for instance. He still raps the old stuff more or less the same live, though, so I'm thinking the difference in his voice is probably by choice and not some irreverseable change.

― Alex in Baltimore (Alex in Baltimore), Friday, 3 November 2006 16:28 (nineteen years ago)

man lil wayne owns that beat

― am0n (am0n), Friday, 3 November 2006 17:40 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.byroncrawford.com/2006/10/lil_wayne_and_b.html

― am0n (am0n), Friday, 3 November 2006 17:40 (nineteen years ago)

I've been trying to figure out for years now if Byron's a for-real dickwad or if he's just exposing ignorance ala Borat et al.

Either way, my problem with Byron is neatly encapsulated in this exchange in the comments of that Weezy pic:

Who the fuck cares? Weezy is making hot music, so who cares who he kisses a dude on the mouth or if he's gay?

Chances are, if this wasn't photoshopped (which it doesn't seem to be), then it was just some "that's my pa" shit.

Does it even matter, though? You guys need to grow up.

Posted by: Michael Scofield | Oct 26, 2006 2:42:59 PM

^^^^^
Fag

Posted by: e | Oct 26, 2006 2:48:28 PM

― Hoosteen (Hoosteen), Friday, 3 November 2006 17:50 (nineteen years ago)

zzz at hip hop homo witchhunt

― deej.. (deej..), Friday, 3 November 2006 17:52 (nineteen years ago)

I'm still kind of amazed that practically noone's picked up on the fact that that picture is clearly from the set of that video with Diddy from Baby's first solo album about 4 years ago (not that when it was taken matters per se, but people seem to assume it's like a week old).

― Alex in Baltimore (Alex in Baltimore), Friday, 3 November 2006 17:56 (nineteen years ago)

Somebody mentioned it in Bol's post on the XXL's blogs.

― Hoosteen (Hoosteen), Friday, 3 November 2006 17:58 (nineteen years ago)

you really expect newjack dumdums to know what birdman was doing 4 years ago?? these fucks think weezys debut was tha carter

― and what (ooo), Friday, 3 November 2006 18:36 (nineteen years ago)

zzz at New Jay-Z Album

http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j105/IceCreamManBitch/adamskosswedding093copybg6-1.jpg

― am0n (am0n), Friday, 3 November 2006 20:19 (nineteen years ago)

y'know, usually when something like this happens that gives the internet an opportunity to clown a rapper mercilessly, it's someone who's past their peak or kind of corny to begin with, but in this situation i'd be kind of depressed if this ended Wayne's career or destroyed all the respect he's earned

― Alex in Baltimore (Alex in Baltimore), Friday, 3 November 2006 20:29 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.avclub.com/content/node/54513

What do you guys think? And please don’t condemn all of hip hop in broad strokes (which is one of my big pet peeves). Jay-Z’s sell-out antics don’t make the MF DOOMs and Phonte Colemans and Ghostface Killahs of the world any less awesome.

― and what (ooo), Saturday, 4 November 2006 15:30 (nineteen years ago)

Damn, Curse of Keon. Y'all be hatin'!

― and what (ooo), Saturday, 4 November 2006 15:30 (nineteen years ago)

Damn, Nathan Rabin, coming with the provocative posts lately!

― s1ocki (slutsky), Saturday, 4 November 2006 16:05 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, Dangerdoom and the Minstrel Show and [uh gimme a minute] made 'em less awesome

― nate p. (natepatrin), Saturday, 4 November 2006 17:08 (nineteen years ago)

Besides which...

if he can pull off getting nascar fans interested in rap or vice versa, that'd be one of the most impressive things ever done by anyone.

Comment by: blinkyb at October 27, 2006 - 4:47pm

― am0n (am0n), Saturday, 4 November 2006 17:46 (nineteen years ago)

i'd be kind of depressed if this ended Wayne's career or destroyed all the respect he's earned

me too, i love lil wayne (no homo)

― am0n (am0n), Saturday, 4 November 2006 17:47 (nineteen years ago)

Isn't this whole article basically "OMG HOV SOLD OUT?!" in a suit?

― Hoosteen (Hoosteen), Saturday, 4 November 2006 20:19 (nineteen years ago)

you cracked the code!!

― s1ocki (slutsky), Saturday, 4 November 2006 20:30 (nineteen years ago)

hoosteen otm

― and what (ooo), Saturday, 4 November 2006 20:31 (nineteen years ago)

at what point had hov not sold out? when he was like 4? dude has never been shy abt. making $$ any way he can.

― max (maxreax), Saturday, 4 November 2006 22:17 (nineteen years ago)

Here’s my question to you. Is there anything Jay-Z won’t do to sell his albums?

This question is really missing the point.

― A-ron Hubbard (Hurting), Saturday, 4 November 2006 23:06 (nineteen years ago)

He's not trying to "sell albums," he's trying to get his hands into everything he can.

― A-ron Hubbard (Hurting), Saturday, 4 November 2006 23:07 (nineteen years ago)

Heard this today. After one listen, he should've stayed retired. There are a few bright spots, but in general it's like watching Ali against Holmes. Biggest disappointment of the year.

― Sam Chennault (s.c.), Friday, 10 November 2006 01:31 (nineteen years ago)

I had my hopes around half-mast, so if this is shit I won't be too upset. I'm still counting on Hell Hath to save the year for me.

― Hoosteen (Hoosteen), Friday, 10 November 2006 01:48 (nineteen years ago)

lil wayne is gay?

― gbx (skowly), Friday, 10 November 2006 01:49 (nineteen years ago)

The Coldplay song is a nightmare. The drums are bad and the levels seem off. Coldplay sounds like he phoned it in on a bad connection. Maybe rappers will stop talking about him when they hear how bad this sounds. Throughout, there's a lot of mawkish introspection, dull club numbers and The Neptunes track is too busy. The anti-Bush number is maybe the 5th best rap song about New Orleans. Maybe.

I don't know. Maybe I'll like it more on the next pass.

― Sam Chennault (s.c.), Friday, 10 November 2006 02:08 (nineteen years ago)

who is coldplay, and what sort of beats does he make?

― gbx (skowly), Friday, 10 November 2006 02:19 (nineteen years ago)

i heard a handful of tracks on xxlmag.com

lost ones, a couple just blaze ones, the katrina one, etc.

this is fucking horrible.

so much worse than i ever could have imagined.

― M@tt He1geson: Sassy and I Don't Care Who Knows It (Matt Helgeson), Saturday, 11 November 2006 19:56 (nineteen years ago)

(The album leaked on November 11, 2006)

― StanM (StanM), Saturday, 11 November 2006 20:12 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.flocabulary.com/

― baby rhesus (pete38), Saturday, 11 November 2006 20:30 (nineteen years ago)

where tf is nas?

― max (maxreax), Saturday, 11 November 2006 22:50 (nineteen years ago)

http://ec1.images-amazon.com/images/P/B000JJSRUM.01._SS500_SCLZZZZZZZ_V37410206_.jpg

what happened to the goat-z cover?

― am0n (am0n), Sunday, 12 November 2006 06:26 (nineteen years ago)

http://ec1.images-amazon.com/images/P/B000JJSRUM.01._SS500_SCLZZZZZZZ_V37410206_.jpg

"Anthony walked to his death because he thought he'd never feel this way again"

― dommy p is alright WHICH IS A LOT MORE THAN I CAN SAY ABOUT A LOT OF PEOPLE (Dom, Sunday, 12 November 2006 11:53 (nineteen years ago)

where tf is nas?

the Jay/Nas collaboration is on Hip Hop Is Dead, supposedly at a listening party it was the only song they wouldn't play for people

― Alex in Baltimore (Alex in Baltimore), Sunday, 12 November 2006 13:51 (nineteen years ago)

call me crazy but I think "Beach Chair" is the best song I've heard from this album so far

― Alex in Baltimore (Alex in Baltimore), Sunday, 12 November 2006 14:44 (nineteen years ago)

That cover makes it look like the album should be called "Still Used To Be From Da Streets"

― A-ron Hubbard (Hurting), Sunday, 12 November 2006 14:45 (nineteen years ago)

http://ec1.images-amazon.com/images/P/B000JJSRUM.01._SS500_SCLZZZZZZZ_V37410206_.jpg
http://www.bling47.com/images/products/91/dilla_donuts.jpg

Hip hop summarizes the 2006 ALDS

― nate p. (natepatrin), Sunday, 12 November 2006 17:29 (nineteen years ago)

here tf is nas. and, uh, the gomez brothers.

― max (maxreax), Sunday, 12 November 2006 17:37 (nineteen years ago)

Ugh, the Gomez Brothers.

― A-ron Hubbard (Hurting), Sunday, 12 November 2006 18:01 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, that Nas / Jay track sounds like it'll be amazing, if only those fuckers would shut up for 2 seconds.

Jay's album is alright, some good beats and such, but the Nas is the one I'm really anticipating, especially since "Black Rewpublican", "Hip Hop is Dead", "Where Y'all At" and, to a lesser extent, "The N" all sound good.

5 weeks to go !

― Erock Lazron (Erock Zombie), Sunday, 12 November 2006 18:17 (nineteen years ago)

I'm flabbergasted that the subpar leaked tracks, whatever their positives, are actually the BEST thing I've heard on the album so far (only halfway through).

this is fucking horrible.

so much worse than i ever could have imagined.

-- M@tt He1geson: Sassy and I Don't Care Who Knows It (matt@game[remove]informer.com), November 11th, 2006

quite possibly otm.

― Hoosteen (Hoosteen), Sunday, 12 November 2006 19:45 (nineteen years ago)

Pretty shitty.

― struttin' with some barbecue (jimnaseum), Sunday, 12 November 2006 20:01 (nineteen years ago)

Re-retire.

― struttin' with some barbecue (jimnaseum), Sunday, 12 November 2006 20:02 (nineteen years ago)

Vol 4: A Waste of Your Time

― Hoosteen (Hoosteen), Sunday, 12 November 2006 20:17 (nineteen years ago)

Vol 5: Hung Out With That Guy From Snow Patrol Today, Made Some Vague Plans To Play Golf But Didn't Confirm Anything

― dommy p is alright WHICH IS A LOT MORE THAN I CAN SAY ABOUT A LOT OF PEOPLE (Dom, Sunday, 12 November 2006 20:18 (nineteen years ago)

roffle

wait a minute, just blaze doesn't rate a wikipedia entry?

― Raymond Cummings (Raymond Cummings), Monday, 13 November 2006 16:22 (nineteen years ago)

er, there's links to the JB entry in at least 2 or 3 different places in that Kingdom Come entry (although not in every mention of JB)

― Alex in Baltimore (Alex in Baltimore), Monday, 13 November 2006 16:31 (nineteen years ago)

this really isn't horrible. just pretty mediocre. what did you expect, reasonable doubt 2?

― max (maxreax), Monday, 13 November 2006 17:45 (nineteen years ago)

this really isn't horrible. just ~~pretty~~ relentlessly mediocre. what did you expect, ~~reasonable doubt 2~~ a justified unretirement?
-- max (maxrea...), November 13th, 2006.

― Hoosteen (Hoosteen), Monday, 13 November 2006 17:56 (nineteen years ago)

http://ec1.images-amazon.com/images/P/B000JJSRUM.01._SS500_SCLZZZZZZZ_V37410206_.jpg http://www.zero.co.nz/music/images/Collins,%20Phil%20-%20No%20Jacket%20Required.jpg

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 13 November 2006 17:58 (nineteen years ago)

Collins takes it.

― Hoosteen (Hoosteen), Monday, 13 November 2006 18:00 (nineteen years ago)

it seems so weird that Dr. Dre did 4 or 5 tracks, there are a lot of Aftermath releases he didn't do as much on

― Alex in Baltimore (Alex in Baltimore), Monday, 13 November 2006 18:05 (nineteen years ago)

what's even wierder is that the dre beat for lost ones sounds like it could've been produced by some b-level local backpacker DJ in minneapolis!

― M@tt He1geson: Sassy and I Don't Care Who Knows It (Matt Helgeson), Monday, 13 November 2006 18:27 (nineteen years ago)

this isnt horrible at all. i dont know what you guys are listening to or what you expected. its jay-z doing what hes been doing for years, pretty much coasting lyrically but picking some good beats and making some good songs in the process. its not amazing, he sounds lazy, self absorbed as usual, repeating his own cliches, and lapsing into that lazy, jeezy/wayne/ish flow he was falling prone to on the blueprint vol 2 or thereabouts, but this is all par for the course when it comes to jay-z. this is not the worst record this year. nothing amazing though. diddy has better beats.

― titchyschneider (titchyschneider), Monday, 13 November 2006 18:58 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah you are really selling it as not-horrible there.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 13 November 2006 19:00 (nineteen years ago)

the track that samples superfreak is no where as bad as some people made out. so what if it samples the same song as u cant touch this - most people wouldnt even be able to tell it was the same sample, from the way just blaze chopped it up (quite excellently i might add).

ive not finished it yet, but this is a good album in a year that hasnt been mindblowing. even though hes not on his a-game, hes still pretty good. wtf is that sample on the john legend song though? it sounds like some horrible paul simon type of song from the 80s.

― titchyschneider (titchyschneider), Monday, 13 November 2006 19:09 (nineteen years ago)

dr dres beats on this are pretty poor - they sound low budget and cheap (but then so do a million other beats these days) and weirdly, two of them sound like j dilla!

― titchyschneider (titchyschneider), Monday, 13 November 2006 19:12 (nineteen years ago)

pretty much coasting lyrically but picking some good beats and making some good songs in the process

His lyrics and delivery lack the conviction of the Black Album and obviously sonically this doesn't stand up to Blueprint. I didn't expect Jay to do another record that changed the sound of the genre for half a decade, but I did expect him to deliver on the hints of new lyrical direction we got on the leaked tracks. I did expect more singular production from the all-star team. I hoped, even, for a line that followed through on the Elvis-in-Vegas suggestions of the Black Album.

We got none of those things. I'm disappointed. It's not horrible by any means, it's just relentlessly fucking mediocre and as an unabashed Jay stan that would have been happy with any of a number of directions for dude to take, this disappoints me.

― Hoosteen (Hoosteen), Monday, 13 November 2006 19:58 (nineteen years ago)

every defense i've read of this album:

"well, yeah, i mean it's not real good, but hey, i dunno, i guess it's kinda okay, and hey what do you expect?"

― M@tt He1geson: Sassy and I Don't Care Who Knows It (Matt Helgeson), Monday, 13 November 2006 20:04 (nineteen years ago)

Based on how low my expectations are I bet I'll really like it.

― Jordan (Jordan), Monday, 13 November 2006 20:09 (nineteen years ago)

i think jay z has generally been slipping lyrically more or less since he started to listen to the 'you ruined hip hop' contingent and decided he needed to get back to more traditional beats. his 'swagger' (ahem) hasnt really been found again since, apart from the occasional song here and there. blueprint 2, despite being too long, actually was the last real hurrah for him as a rapper. black album was tepid and boring, blueprint had some great tracks but also felt like a concessionary move. plus, that whole syrupy vegas soul sound he has is bland.

― titchyschneider (titchyschneider), Monday, 13 November 2006 20:09 (nineteen years ago)

I don't see how Blueprint felt like a concessionary move, at the time it felt like solidification of what he'd started on dynasty and was pretty brave in a swizz/mannie era (of course at THIS point that doesn't mean very much post-kanye).

I also would defend the black album, although i know its not that popular around here (aside from amongst people who got into him around that time). I think the 'vegas soul' (which is funny you decribe as such because as far as I can tell 'vegas soul' is two different things, post-retirement flash and grandiosity + soulful nostalgia, that he alone brought together) was an effective shot for a last album. And it had its lyrical moments too (last track, for example).

Still haven't heard this but if even hoosteen is bailing on it i don't have much hope.

― deej.. (deej..), Monday, 13 November 2006 20:28 (nineteen years ago)

lol

― Alex in Baltimore (Alex in Baltimore), Monday, 13 November 2006 20:33 (nineteen years ago)

lol

― Hoosteen (Hoosteen), Monday, 13 November 2006 20:34 (nineteen years ago)

Hoosteen otm

― Alex in Baltimore (Alex in Baltimore), Monday, 13 November 2006 20:39 (nineteen years ago)

haha i just realized his email address is "merlin dude"

― deej.. (deej..), Monday, 13 November 2006 20:56 (nineteen years ago)

to be fair, no one here has a nerdier email address than me.

― M@tt He1geson: Sassy and I Don't Care Who Knows It (Matt Helgeson), Monday, 13 November 2006 21:08 (nineteen years ago)

to be fair, making fun of someone's email address is pretty damn nerdy

― deej.. (deej..), Monday, 13 November 2006 21:10 (nineteen years ago)

to be fair, "club lonely"

― Alex in Baltimore (Alex in Baltimore), Monday, 13 November 2006 21:22 (nineteen years ago)

(to be even more fair, i've had nerdy e-mail addresses too, but i can be a hypocrite right now because i'm using one comprised of my actual name)

― Alex in Baltimore (Alex in Baltimore), Monday, 13 November 2006 21:23 (nineteen years ago)

"Club Lonely" = classic lil louis track!

― deej.. (deej..), Monday, 13 November 2006 21:23 (nineteen years ago)

Mr. "my city has house music"

― deej.. (deej..), Monday, 13 November 2006 21:23 (nineteen years ago)

i fixed mine! my street cred is thru the roof.

― M@tt He1geson: Sassy and I Don't Care Who Knows It (Matt Helgeson), Monday, 13 November 2006 21:24 (nineteen years ago)

i don't know dance music, i'm just saying out of context the phrase sounds emo (xpost in my city there is problem, and that problem is house music)

― Alex in Baltimore (Alex in Baltimore), Monday, 13 November 2006 21:25 (nineteen years ago)

the word "informer" in M@tt's address = STOP SNITCHIN'

― Alex in Baltimore (Alex in Baltimore), Monday, 13 November 2006 21:25 (nineteen years ago)

anyway now that i've heard about half the songs off Kingdom Come, i might try to avoid hearing the rest til next week so I can try to feign some excitement about buying it

― Alex in Baltimore (Alex in Baltimore), Monday, 13 November 2006 21:26 (nineteen years ago)

the word "informer" in M@tt's address = STOP SNITCHIN'

hahaha

― M@tt He1geson: Sassy and I Don't Care Who Knows It (Matt Helgeson), Monday, 13 November 2006 21:35 (nineteen years ago)

the whole sega mafia hates me cuz i testified against sonic in court after the shootout he had w/yoshi's crew outside of hot 97.

― M@tt He1geson: Sassy and I Don't Care Who Knows It (Matt Helgeson), Monday, 13 November 2006 21:36 (nineteen years ago)

maybe he just needs to be re-"ether"ed

― am0n (am0n), Monday, 13 November 2006 21:45 (nineteen years ago)

well he kinda WAS re-ethered by the diplomats this year, but this is all he could come up with.

― titchyschneider (titchyschneider), Monday, 13 November 2006 21:50 (nineteen years ago)

Hoosteen: From Hype to Backlash in 5.2

― Hoosteen (Hoosteen), Monday, 13 November 2006 23:36 (nineteen years ago)

saying Cam/Jimmy ethered Jay with those wack songs does a disrespect to the already questionable use of the word 'ether' as a verb. but I think it would've been great if Jay managed to make a whole album without even mentioning them, it would be the ultimate "you only get half a bar" insult.

― Alex in Baltimore (Alex in Baltimore), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 04:03 (nineteen years ago)

i kinda like it as a verb, its the new "pwned"

― am0n (am0n), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 14:27 (nineteen years ago)

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damn Hoosteen u gettin this thread by email too ?

― am0n (am0n), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 14:29 (nineteen years ago)

This thread is really making me expect to be disappointed (although I haven't heard the other leaked tracks). That's probably a good thing though.

― A-ron Hubbard (Hurting), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 14:40 (nineteen years ago)

"new" as in played out on rap boards 5 years ago but byron crawford just figured out earlier this year

― and what (ooo), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 14:43 (nineteen years ago)

i just got ethaned

― am0n (am0n), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 14:49 (nineteen years ago)

that ethan, that shit that make your soul burn slow

― Alex in Baltimore (Alex in Baltimore), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 15:58 (nineteen years ago)

You know it's weird, I'm subscribed-by-email to this thread and a handful of others, but for some reason I don't get any updates for a month at a time and then on like Nov 1 it's like "You Have 437 New Messages!" and I get the whole month's worth of new msgs at once.

― Hoosteen (Hoosteen), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 15:59 (nineteen years ago)

a) because the email for ilx was fixed
b) why do u need a thread emailed to you?

― am0n (am0n), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 16:57 (nineteen years ago)

rss, son! or keep refreshing that new answers page

― mh. (mike h.), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 17:02 (nineteen years ago)

wants to make sure he never misses a single 'hoosteen otm'

― and what (ooo), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 17:05 (nineteen years ago)

and what otm

― Hoosteen (Hoosteen), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 17:22 (nineteen years ago)

Srsly, I did realize the redundancy of this shit a few weeks ago and killed off my sub to all threads but the "TCM Alert Thread," so that I never miss a single "Hey I think D.O.A. is on tonight." "No dude that's tomorrow night." "Are you sure?"

― Hoosteen (Hoosteen), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 17:24 (nineteen years ago)

Here's a link to the Nas / Jay track off Nas' new album -

www.zshare.net/audio/nas-jay-z-black-republican-escotheory-mp3.html

It still has a DJ talking over it like the earlier version that came out, but they mostly stick to the beginning, so you can still hear the verses.

SICK track

― Erock Lazron (Erock Zombie), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 19:00 (nineteen years ago)

That Jay Z/ Nas track is sick. Better than anything on Kingdom Come.

Is Jay talking about Dame Dash in his verse? Kinda sounds like it.

― Sam Chennault (s.c.), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 19:34 (nineteen years ago)

I finally heard one of the new songs on 92Q last night but the DJs didn't say what it was called - the chorus was "30s are the new 20s" or something like that. And you know, it was pretty okay, it was enough to make me wanna hear more...but (despite even this thread) I was expecting something more...mythical, you know?

― Raymond Cummings (Raymond Cummings), Wednesday, 15 November 2006 12:53 (nineteen years ago)

Has anyone mentioned the fact that he actually raps about his Hewlett-Packard ad?

ladies sayin' "where you been superman?"
with niggas spendin' ten million in media on my hands

Fade To Black gave the impression that Jay could make a great album in his sleep, but I guess that was an anomaly.

― Hatch (Hatch), Wednesday, 15 November 2006 17:38 (nineteen years ago)

sohh says that the leaked version is not the version that's gonna be in stores

― max (maxreax), Wednesday, 15 November 2006 17:51 (nineteen years ago)

I've listened to this a few times and I can't get over how much "Hollywood" sounds like the product of cocaine and actually sounds more cocainey than any of his actual coke raps.

― Jeff Reguil0n (Talent Explosion), Wednesday, 15 November 2006 20:35 (nineteen years ago)

I finally heard one of the new songs on 92Q last night but the DJs didn't say what it was called - the chorus was "30s are the new 20s" or something like that.

i heard them play 'lost ones' and thought it was weaker than a bottle of coors cutter

― am0n (am0n), Wednesday, 15 November 2006 20:42 (nineteen years ago)

i've got this now. pretty bad.

― gbx (skowly), Wednesday, 15 November 2006 23:05 (nineteen years ago)

sohh says that the leaked version is not the version that's gonna be in stores
-- max (maxrea...), November 15th, 2006. (maxreax)

Rappers insisting that the retail version will be different from the leak: C/D?

― Hoosteen (Hoosteen), Thursday, 16 November 2006 01:59 (nineteen years ago)

jay seems to be claiming the existence of tracks not on the cd, incl. a collabo w/ nas and cam diss track

― max (maxreax), Thursday, 16 November 2006 02:07 (nineteen years ago)

does anyone else think the first 5 or so lines are a subliminal at 50? not to be like a total nerd. he just sounds like he's intentionally biting 50's flow/voice sound.

― max (maxreax), Thursday, 16 November 2006 02:09 (nineteen years ago)

got it. not v. good. he's got some pretty nice rhymes in there along with a lot of filler and unconvincing, forced laughs. but he doesn't make you want to listen to him anymore, which i think encapsulates it all.

beats will be remembered as late era dre, neptunes and kanye before they all vaporised into oblivion.

― Janus Køster-Rasmussen (Vesterbrunch), Thursday, 16 November 2006 11:30 (nineteen years ago)

unconvincing, forced laughs

like at the start of show me what ya got? i.e. "He, he, I'm back, he, he."

― am0n (am0n), Thursday, 16 November 2006 14:22 (nineteen years ago)

haha, at least he says he's sorry at the beginning of that song. actually, though, "Show Me What You Got" has slowly grown on me, when it comes on the radio I leave it on.

beats will be remembered as late era dre, neptunes and kanye before they all vaporised into oblivion.

I wish that was true, but I think they'll all be charging six figures for a beat until they're 80. it's definitely symptomatic of one of Jay's problems the last few years, though. aside from a handful of no-names, every producer he's worked with on this and the Black Album have been established people he's worked with forever, when he used to discover producers or get with whoever's new and hot at the moment. not that I necessarily want to hear Jay do songs with Cool & Dre or whatever, but it seems like he's unwilling to go out of his comfort zone and will just take whatever Pharrell or Just Blaze comes up with.

― Alex in Baltimore (Alex in Baltimore), Thursday, 16 November 2006 14:36 (nineteen years ago)

yeah its a nice track, but that beginning is awkward

― am0n (am0n), Thursday, 16 November 2006 14:38 (nineteen years ago)

also, the homoeroticism on Do U Wanna Ride:

»I know some places we can go (Yeah nigga)/Do you wanna ride with me?«

― Janus Køster-Rasmussen (Vesterbrunch), Thursday, 16 November 2006 15:12 (nineteen years ago)

I'm really starting to lose my appreciation of this guy. He's becoming, like, the rap Donald Trump or something.

― A-ron Hubbard (Hurting), Thursday, 16 November 2006 15:49 (nineteen years ago)

His hyper-capitalist schtick was sort of likeable when he was still the scrappy underdog fighting his way to the top, but now he just comes off as a boor.

― A-ron Hubbard (Hurting), Thursday, 16 November 2006 15:51 (nineteen years ago)

I kinda like the video to "show me what you got" in an out of control 70's soap opera bling way. makes the track more fun.

― AleXTC (AleXTC), Thursday, 16 November 2006 16:30 (nineteen years ago)

i like it a little better now, after a few listens. esp. "oh my god" and "do u wanna ride". that chris martin song still doesn't make sense, though. the album is on par with, or slightly better than, the black album. that isn't much of a praise, i know, but then, it isn't meant to be.

― Janus Køster-Rasmussen (Vesterbrunch), Thursday, 16 November 2006 18:35 (nineteen years ago)

The front sleeve looks alright until you pull it from the tray. Then it turns comical.

― Pamplaxico Polancobon (Andy_K), Thursday, 16 November 2006 20:41 (nineteen years ago)

heard some track reusing the break from the guru joint off first fam 4 life

― and what (ooo), Friday, 17 November 2006 02:30 (nineteen years ago)

and the 1st quas album

― and what (ooo), Friday, 17 November 2006 02:31 (nineteen years ago)

xpost
really, it's on par with/better than the black album ?
first thing here that gets me interested in it since everybody seemed to say it's he's worst ever.
I really like the black album (I seem to be the only one on earth, though). I might consider getting this one then...

― AleXTC (AleXTC), Friday, 17 November 2006 10:07 (nineteen years ago)

dr dres beats on this are pretty poor - they sound low budget and cheap (but then so do a million other beats these days) and weirdly, two of them sound like j dilla!

Lost One and Trouble, right? I initially thought the piano runs were Anthony Hamilton rip-offs. Then I scanned the credits: Mark Batson, Hamilton's producer, co-produced them.

― Pamplaxico Polancobon (Andy_K), Friday, 17 November 2006 14:18 (nineteen years ago)

Alex, I also really like the Black album and I think that save "30 Something" this is garbage, no better than the subpar leaked stuff.

― Hoosteen (Hoosteen), Friday, 17 November 2006 17:06 (nineteen years ago)

I really like "Trouble." All in all the album's ok, or at least nowhere near depressing as the fact that Jay has gotten himself dragged into a beef with JIM JONES.

― Alex in Baltimore (Alex in Baltimore), Friday, 17 November 2006 17:08 (nineteen years ago)

JIM JONES

who tf?

― Janus Køster-Rasmussen (Vesterbrunch), Saturday, 18 November 2006 16:36 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.biography.com/notorious/images/episode_images/Jim_Jones_320x240.jpg

― Dan Barramouss (jimnaseum), Saturday, 18 November 2006 18:01 (nineteen years ago)

Jim Jones is a douche.

A DOUCHE I SAY

― Hoosteen (Hoosteen), Saturday, 18 November 2006 19:02 (nineteen years ago)

Hoosten OTM

― dommy p is alright WHICH IS A LOT MORE THAN I CAN SAY ABOUT A LOT OF PEOPLE (Dom, Saturday, 18 November 2006 19:06 (nineteen years ago)

On the plus side he's never released anything as risable as "Beach chair".

― Dan Barramouss (jimnaseum), Saturday, 18 November 2006 19:11 (nineteen years ago)

I'm really starting to lose my appreciation of this guy. He's becoming, like, the rap Donald Trump or something.
-- A-ron Hubbard (Hurtingchie...), November 16th, 2006 3:49 PM. (later)

haha Jay actually says "I'm Trump-like" on the Jim Jones diss (which is FULL of those annoying forced laughs, btw).

― Alex in Baltimore (Alex in Baltimore), Saturday, 18 November 2006 19:50 (nineteen years ago)

Jim Jones is coming off better than Jay.

I haven't heard the JJ album but I think I want to.

― deej.. (deej..), Saturday, 18 November 2006 21:58 (nineteen years ago)

I love that as soon as Jay put out his diss Jim was like REMIX!

― Hoosteen (Hoosteen), Saturday, 18 November 2006 22:10 (nineteen years ago)

Nas (feat. Jay Z) - Black Republican (album version) -

www.f-forge.com?d=t0rYIJUvmMzeg23fHoij

Amazing

― Erock Lazron (Erock Zombie), Sunday, 19 November 2006 22:18 (nineteen years ago)

Contrarian-ass motherfuckers in 3...2...

― Hoosteen (Hoosteen), Sunday, 19 November 2006 22:24 (nineteen years ago)

Damn ILM is dead today.

― Hoosteen (Hoosteen), Sunday, 19 November 2006 22:45 (nineteen years ago)

TS: posting "ysi?" on ILM vs. posting ysi's noone asked for of songs a week after it'd leaked and most of the people who were interested in it had heard it already

― Alex in Baltimore (Alex in Baltimore), Sunday, 19 November 2006 23:01 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, I DID post it a week ago when it leaked .... when it was a radio rip with DJ's on it, and when it leaked again with one DJ on it, I posted it again,

Just thought some people might want the CD quality album version, but I guess you already had that a week ago when it didn't leak yet

― Erock Lazron (Erock Zombie), Sunday, 19 November 2006 23:30 (nineteen years ago)

I was referring more to Hoosteen's shock that there wasn't an army of immediate responses to your link.

― Alex in Baltimore (Alex in Baltimore), Monday, 20 November 2006 00:09 (nineteen years ago)

I was just sort of speaking into the vapor, there don't seem to be that many answers in general today.

― Hoosteen (Hoosteen), Monday, 20 November 2006 00:23 (nineteen years ago)

dude, it's a Sunday.

― Alex in Baltimore (Alex in Baltimore), Monday, 20 November 2006 00:23 (nineteen years ago)

yet here we are.

*cue good/bad/ugly*

― Hoosteen (Hoosteen), Monday, 20 November 2006 00:28 (nineteen years ago)

hoosteen otm

― and what (ooo), Monday, 20 November 2006 00:48 (nineteen years ago)

this album is better after a few plays. if you forget its meant to be some grand return and all that PR bluster and just think of it as yet another jay z album, its fine. its no way as bad as everyone is making out. i have no idea what everyone as expecting. he hasnt been on fire for years, this doesnt change that, but its still good.

― titchyschneider (titchyschneider), Monday, 20 November 2006 11:41 (nineteen years ago)

I'm glad I paid for this just for the bonus disc that came with it. Three live tracks, sounds like the Roots + horn section, it's hot like fire.

― Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 15:28 (nineteen years ago)

As for the rest I'm into the three Just Blaze tracks (Oh My God OMG!) and the Neptunes one, the rest, not yet.

― Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 15:29 (nineteen years ago)

yeah, Oh My God is a rad track.

but seriously what is this garbagey crap crap:

I felt like dyin/but I ain't cryin/what didn't kill me/made me strong as I am

― Cap'n Guthrie (Digestion is Easy!), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 15:39 (nineteen years ago)

I thought he was saying "strong as iron."

― Alex in Baltimore (Alex in Baltimore), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 15:41 (nineteen years ago)

regardless, its still GCC

― Cap'n Guthrie (Digestion is Easy!), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 15:43 (nineteen years ago)

Two Words: Washington Wizards

― Scott CE (Scott CE), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 17:20 (nineteen years ago)

two months pass...

did anybody read the review of "beach chair" in last month's wire? i think it's actually my favorite piece of writing about Kingdom Come.

― Raymond Cummings (Raymond Cummings), Thursday, 1 February 2007 16:41 (nineteen years ago)

two years pass...

finally i know who played drums on this. amazing & sick:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3yCNnN25FUE

― Ømår Littel (Jordan), Tuesday, 6 October 2009 21:51 (sixteen years ago)

man this thread is a fuckin time capsule

― some dude, Tuesday, 6 October 2009 22:39 (sixteen years ago)

daaaaamn

― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 7 October 2009 05:41 (sixteen years ago)

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