Let's talk about Dead (Mayhem)'s death photo. (warning: brains inside)

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Ok, what in the sam hill is that black shit on his neck?

And why is the knife in the picture on TOP of the shotgun? Surely this is from Euronymous's purported shenanigans after Dead's death. Still ooky wooky.

http://mitglied.lycos.de/rafuchs/deadpopstars/mayhem/deadshot.jpg

― RoxyMuzak© (roxymuzak), Sunday, 17 September 2006 07:00 (nineteen years ago)

I hope "warning: brainz inside" is enough.

― RoxyMuzak© (roxymuzak), Sunday, 17 September 2006 07:02 (nineteen years ago)

I am going to a costume party as this photo tomorrow night.

― RoxyMuzak© (roxymuzak), Sunday, 17 September 2006 07:03 (nineteen years ago)

i *heart* what now?

― Jena (JenaP), Sunday, 17 September 2006 07:13 (nineteen years ago)

Whoa, I'd never seen this in color before. Did Vas Djifrens put you up to this? Black shit looks like magic marker.

― Marmot (marmotwolof), Sunday, 17 September 2006 07:25 (nineteen years ago)

to Jena: It's "I heart Transylvania".

― Marmot (marmotwolof), Sunday, 17 September 2006 07:27 (nineteen years ago)

his whole brain just ... fell out like that?

― the art ensemble of chicago house (vahid), Sunday, 17 September 2006 07:34 (nineteen years ago)

marmot, you are always so full of info.

art ensemble: i know, right? like it was liquid.

― RoxyMuzak© (roxymuzak), Sunday, 17 September 2006 07:48 (nineteen years ago)

marmot: why would he have ink on his neck, tho?

― RoxyMuzak© (roxymuzak), Sunday, 17 September 2006 07:51 (nineteen years ago)

maybe it was magic ritual marker.

― Marmot (marmotwolof), Sunday, 17 September 2006 07:53 (nineteen years ago)

You've read Lords of Chaos, right Rox? That's why I knew what the shirt said.

― Marmot (marmotwolof), Sunday, 17 September 2006 07:57 (nineteen years ago)

The black stuff might just be dried blood, it looks like there's more of it on the bed and in the corner. Gross.

― 31g (31g), Sunday, 17 September 2006 09:01 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah hmmm, did he shoot himself under the chin? Maybe that's your entry wound.

― Marmot (marmotwolof), Sunday, 17 September 2006 09:40 (nineteen years ago)

I am going to a costume party as this photo tomorrow night.

-- RoxyMuzak© (emilysu...), September 17th, 2006.

this why i heart Roxemilaymuzak

― latebloomer (latebloomer), Sunday, 17 September 2006 09:51 (nineteen years ago)

Roxylvania

― Marmot (marmotwolof), Sunday, 17 September 2006 09:54 (nineteen years ago)

the relevant Wikipedia entry:

By April 1991, Dead was dead, aged 22, having suffered a self-administered shotgun wound to the head and several lacerations to the wrists, inflicted by a hunting knife he had bought that day. He killed himself in a house he shared with the other members of the band in Kråkstad. Apparently he left a note saying "Excuse all the blood." Euronymous took photos of Dead's corpse upon discovering him.

According to Stian Johannsen, who briefly took position as vocalist after Dead's suicide:

"He (Dead) didn't see himself as human; he saw himself as a creature from another world. He said he had many visions that his blood has frozen in his veins, that he was dead. That is the reason he took that name. He knew he would die..."

The ammo used had been sent to him by Bergen, Norway musician Kristian Vikernes (aka Varg Vikernes, Count Grishnackh; ex Old Funeral, sole member of black metal band Burzum, later convicted murderer of Euronymous). Euronymous took a number of polaroids at the scene, some of which later appeared in the booklet of the subsequent Mayhem bootleg Dawn of the Black Hearts. Euronymous was particularly cold and opportunistic about Dead's suicide; in interviews he claimed, speciously, that Dead had killed himself due to the rising popularity of death metal, the American movement Black Metal had risen against. He also claimed to have collected and forged fragments of Dead's skull into necklaces, sending pieces to those he felt 'worthy'.

― StanM (StanM), Sunday, 17 September 2006 10:00 (nineteen years ago)

Cover art of that bootleg on the official band site.

― StanM (StanM), Sunday, 17 September 2006 10:06 (nineteen years ago)

ok, clicking the pics doesn't work like that, apparently.

go to http://www.thetruemayhem.com/ -> enter -> creations -> discography -> bootleg releases -> Dawn of the Blackhearts

― StanM (StanM), Sunday, 17 September 2006 10:09 (nineteen years ago)

I've never seen the colour photo either! Definitely more gross than in b&w (duh).

― NoTimeBeforeTime (Barry Bruner), Sunday, 17 September 2006 10:10 (nineteen years ago)

Is there some type of brain goo that is black?

― RoxyMuzak© (roxymuzak), Sunday, 17 September 2006 18:06 (nineteen years ago)

I am going to a costume party as this photo tomorrow night.
-- RoxyMuzak©

― katie quirk (dubplatestyle), Sunday, 17 September 2006 18:10 (nineteen years ago)

I wonder what kinda shoes these dudes wore? I can't find any photos. Black combat?

xpost. yes?

― RoxyMuzak© (roxymuzak), Sunday, 17 September 2006 18:10 (nineteen years ago)

i am using chicken blood as blood, and chicken livers as brain

― RoxyMuzak© (roxymuzak), Sunday, 17 September 2006 18:14 (nineteen years ago)

hahaha html checker took out my multiple ascii hearts

anyway the black stuff is his SOUL

― katie quirk (dubplatestyle), Sunday, 17 September 2006 18:14 (nineteen years ago)

ooh!

― RoxyMuzak© (roxymuzak), Sunday, 17 September 2006 18:19 (nineteen years ago)

The black stuff was Metal (/obvious)

― StanM (StanM), Sunday, 17 September 2006 18:20 (nineteen years ago)

dude had a long-ass neck

― katie quirk (dubplatestyle), Sunday, 17 September 2006 18:22 (nineteen years ago)

There's still brown stuff and green stuff to be accounted for.

― Space Gourmand (Haberdager), Sunday, 17 September 2006 18:22 (nineteen years ago)

i thought the black substance was oil, and he was a robot!

― latebloomer (latebloomer), Sunday, 17 September 2006 18:23 (nineteen years ago)

Leftover corpsepaint would be my guess.

― xero (xero), Sunday, 17 September 2006 18:23 (nineteen years ago)

The brown is blood. I don't really see any green. Although the blood on his arms looks like it has some blueish, which is weird. I don't know, apparently a lot of shit goes down when you blow your head off.

xpost he had showered!

― RoxyMuzak© (roxymuzak), Sunday, 17 September 2006 18:24 (nineteen years ago)

I think I am just gonna be Dead, and not DEAD Dead, which I will save for Halloween when my friend Ben will be Euronymous, and eat my chicken liver/apple sauce brainz. So for tonight, I will carry a dead (fake obv) raven around in a ziploc bag and sniff it to properly imbue my performance with the stench of death. Wish I had thought ahead to "pig's head on a mic stand".

― RoxyMuzak© (roxymuzak), Sunday, 17 September 2006 18:27 (nineteen years ago)

lol omg wtf

― katie quirk (dubplatestyle), Sunday, 17 September 2006 18:28 (nineteen years ago)

laughing out loud oh my god what the fuck

― a name means a lot just by itself (lfam), Sunday, 17 September 2006 18:31 (nineteen years ago)

this picture is my inspiration.

he looks so creepy here:

http://www.anus.com/metal/about/metal/images/dead_focus.jpg

I have sadly still not read Lords of Chaos, to answer an old question.

― RoxyMuzak© (roxymuzak), Sunday, 17 September 2006 18:32 (nineteen years ago)

It's not that funny!

― RoxyMuzak© (roxymuzak), Sunday, 17 September 2006 18:33 (nineteen years ago)

haha no its AWESOME

― katie quirk (dubplatestyle), Sunday, 17 September 2006 18:34 (nineteen years ago)

the green stuff is under the knife, and might just be verdigris.

― Space Gourmand (Haberdager), Sunday, 17 September 2006 18:34 (nineteen years ago)

lords of chaos is good except for, you know, the guy who wrote it being a nazi and all

― katie quirk (dubplatestyle), Sunday, 17 September 2006 18:34 (nineteen years ago)

well, the dudes it's about were nazis...or at least extremely, extremely right wing racists. maybe i can incorporate this into my costume/performance piece.

― RoxyMuzak© (roxymuzak), Sunday, 17 September 2006 18:37 (nineteen years ago)

No, no...Space Gourmand...that liquid is just blood/water from the brain area...it only looks green cause it's discoloring the already green cloth it oozed onto.

― RoxyMuzak© (roxymuzak), Sunday, 17 September 2006 18:38 (nineteen years ago)

yeah but i mean, i dont wanna feel like i'm SUPPORTING nazis when i read about them

― katie quirk (dubplatestyle), Sunday, 17 September 2006 18:40 (nineteen years ago)

whither my properly pc black metal history

― katie quirk (dubplatestyle), Sunday, 17 September 2006 18:40 (nineteen years ago)

it's a tightrope

― RoxyMuzak© (roxymuzak), Sunday, 17 September 2006 18:41 (nineteen years ago)

Weird thread. Stare at Kurt Cobain for a while:
http://www.sshep.com/imagez/kurt-cobainbody.jpg

― Ian Christe (Ian Christe), Sunday, 17 September 2006 18:42 (nineteen years ago)

tried, cant

― RoxyMuzak© (roxymuzak), Sunday, 17 September 2006 19:45 (nineteen years ago)

Whoa, I've never seen that in black and white before. Er...

― Marmot (marmotwolof), Sunday, 17 September 2006 19:48 (nineteen years ago)

lords of chaos is good except for, you know, the guy who wrote it being a nazi and all

huh?

(Yes, I've read the book. I guess this would explain the authors' indignation over church burning vs their relative neutrality about anti-Semitism.)

― NoTimeBeforeTime (Barry Bruner), Sunday, 17 September 2006 19:51 (nineteen years ago)

this photo reminds me that i haven't put 'live in leipzig' on my ipod yet. haven't listened to it in years, but have a creepy urge to listen to it now.

i'm gonna listen to a couple of tracks from 'a grand declaration of war' as a compromise. the songs off that record were wicked life. so was 'from the dark past' come to that.

anyhoo, perhaps my favourite mayhem story, out of a back caltalogue of absolute zingers, is the news that maniac quit the band to settle down with his christian missus.

― Charlie Howard (the sphinx), Monday, 18 September 2006 13:53 (nineteen years ago)

whither my properly pc black metal history

-- katie quirk (wt...) (webmail), September 17th, 2006 3:40 PM. (dubplatestyle) (link)

you're not missing much. the book is more true crime than music and true crime. as for the politics, "fortunately" ebay is forbidding the sale of certain records by black metal artists.

― blackmail (blackmail.is.my.life), Monday, 18 September 2006 14:02 (nineteen years ago)

Roxy, if yer going to dress up as Dead someday, don't forget to bury your clothes in the ground for a few weeks to get that troo kvlt, necro graveyard stench. He used to do that before live shows.

― Brooker Buckingham (Brooker B), Monday, 18 September 2006 14:07 (nineteen years ago)

> his whole brain just ... fell out like that?

It's peculiar, isn't it? The forensic scientist in me wants to pore over the photo to figure out how that might have happened, but the other 90% of me is like, "dude, do you want to keep your dinner down or not?"

How did these guys, who I bet were all from pleasant middle-class homes, work themselves up into a frenzy of murder, arson and suicide? My sister used to date a Norwegian, who told me that as a kid in Bergen he used to see Christian Vikernes, as he then was, puttering around town in his mum's green Volkswagen Golf. Not really the stuff of black metal legend, is it?

― Palomino (Palomino), Monday, 18 September 2006 19:00 (nineteen years ago)

Cute fact!

Varg Vikernes a.k.a Burzum used to date ANNIE! How did such a cute girl end up with him?

And Lords Of Chaos is a shitty book.

― Torgeir Hansen/MRZBW (MRZBW), Monday, 18 September 2006 20:06 (nineteen years ago)

Annie!? That's awesome!

Roxy, if yer going to dress up as Dead someday, don't forget to bury your clothes in the ground for a few weeks to get that troo kvlt, necro graveyard stench. He used to do that before live shows.

I know, I did this. I am just now home from this party. I was a huge success.

― RoxyMuzak© (roxymuzak), Monday, 18 September 2006 20:17 (nineteen years ago)

> his whole brain just ... fell out like that?

I assumed the brain being outside his head was Euronymous's doing.

― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Monday, 18 September 2006 20:24 (nineteen years ago)

supposedly he ate some of it, as well

― RoxyMuzak© (roxymuzak), Monday, 18 September 2006 20:26 (nineteen years ago)

"Let's talk about Dead (Mayhem)'s death photo. (warning: brains inside)"

(Warning: brains outside), shirley?

― Hippy Johnny (Elegant Mess), Monday, 18 September 2006 20:56 (nineteen years ago)

you card!

― RoxyMuzak© (roxymuzak), Monday, 18 September 2006 21:07 (nineteen years ago)

Roxy, you're an asshole.

― Squirrel_Police (Squirrel_Police), Monday, 18 September 2006 22:08 (nineteen years ago)

yes i can't believe you would speak of the DEAD like this.

― chaki (chaki), Monday, 18 September 2006 22:12 (nineteen years ago)

http://img374.imageshack.us/img374/4091/cameron9ax.png
"Roxy, you're an asshole."

― Marmot (marmotwolof), Monday, 18 September 2006 22:12 (nineteen years ago)

Squirrel, I am sure Dead would not be offended. I do love Mayhem, and it was done in tribute.

― RoxyMuzak© (roxymuzak), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 00:01 (nineteen years ago)

See above.

― Squirrel_Police (Squirrel_Police), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 00:05 (nineteen years ago)

― RoxyMuzak© (roxymuzak), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 00:07 (nineteen years ago)

Just a note to older posts:

Yes, your brains do fall out like that, especially when you shoot yourself through the chin. He aimed very well, as much of his face is intact.

(God, this reminds me of when I used to look at rotten.com all the time, which is the only reason I know any of this)

― trees (treesessplode), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 00:08 (nineteen years ago)

The scariest thing, to me, about the picture in question is that you can still see a bit of his (left) eye, and it is open.

― RoxyMuzak© (roxymuzak), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 00:15 (nineteen years ago)

Vikernes has been fascinated with the fictional realm of Mordor from J.R.R. Tolkien's The Lord of the Rings Trilogy from a very young age (his stage name is taken from that of a minor character in The Two Towers), claiming to have mastered the Black Speech from which he took the term Burzum.

Vikernes has criticized J.R.R. Tolkien on his website (http://www.burzum.org), stating that Tolkien's portrayal of the people of Rohan as dirty, penniless villagers was uncharacteristic, since (in his opinion) cleanliness, health, and especially bathing, were all values that were held very highly by Germanic people. Vikernes has also gone on to state that the women of southern Europe were much more attracted to Germanic men because they were "fairer and healthier," and since public bathing was outlawed by the Holy Roman Empire, many of the men that southern European women were exposed to were less attractive as mates. Vikernes feels that Tolkien's Catholic faith may have contributed to this bias.

― gear (gear), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 00:22 (nineteen years ago)

sonned by a wite supremicist

― Marmot (marmotwolof), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 00:27 (nineteen years ago)

in a BM beef

― RoxyMuzak© (roxymuzak), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 01:43 (nineteen years ago)

he (the Count) also has some batshit quote about black metal being "99% nigger music" to explain why he now plays industrial. Dude is a CASE.

― RoxyMuzak© (roxymuzak), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 01:45 (nineteen years ago)

He should hook up with Prussian Blue when he gets out in '08.

― Marmot (marmotwolof), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 01:49 (nineteen years ago)

This would seem to indicate everything he stood for was a shit program, but kids these days, I tell you. They think it's cool or su'um.

― Butt Dickass (Dick Butkus), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 01:59 (nineteen years ago)

oh man the essays by Vikernes on the Burzum website...passive-aggresive nutzoid hilarity. he tries to argue his beliefs or version of events calmly but then the mask slips and he says something totally bonkers.

― latebloomer aka 'the sun' (latebloomer), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 02:03 (nineteen years ago)

Ah, he's not bonkers. He's just not very informed.

― Butt Dickass (Dick Butkus), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 02:05 (nineteen years ago)

I'm going to self-publish a book through Lulu.com called "The Bible Is For Faggots" and send it to:

Varg Vikernes
Trondheim Fengsel
N-7495 Trondheim
Norway

just to see if he'll write me back.

― Butt Dickass (Dick Butkus), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 02:07 (nineteen years ago)

he seems plenty informed to me, its not like he's some backwoods uneducated redneck! he's just totally fucking willfully ignorant and fanatical.

Cute fact!

Varg Vikernes a.k.a Burzum used to date ANNIE! How did such a cute girl end up with him?

is that true? if it is, that's the most amusing BM-related factoid ever! better even than Geir being in a class with Euronymous's brother!

in one of the essays he mentions that he dated outside of the black metal scene. he was supposedly into "nice" girls.

― latebloomer aka 'the sun' (latebloomer), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 02:14 (nineteen years ago)

like he was very old-fashioned and saw himself as being chivalrous or some bullshit (like the germanic knights of old no doubt, lol).

― latebloomer aka 'the sun' (latebloomer), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 02:18 (nineteen years ago)

anybody who is informed is not ignorant. Willful ignorance is being almost well informed, but not quite.

― Butt Dickass (Dick Butkus), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 02:21 (nineteen years ago)

He always seems extremely, coldly, calmly intelligent to me. It is possible for people can be intelligent and wrong, guyz.

― RoxyMuzak© (roxymuzak), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 02:35 (nineteen years ago)

you gotta take into account he killed a guy! and burned down churches!

he's obviously not legally insane or anything, but he's a fanatic. but that's all semantics. the records rock, he's off his rocker. end of story..or is it? bwahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahah

― latebloomer aka 'the sun' (latebloomer), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 02:52 (nineteen years ago)

bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahah

― latebloomer aka 'the sun' (latebloomer), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 02:53 (nineteen years ago)

*takes a breath, exhales*

― latebloomer aka 'the sun' (latebloomer), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 02:53 (nineteen years ago)

bwahahahahahahahahahah

― latebloomer aka 'the sun' (latebloomer), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 02:53 (nineteen years ago)

anyway

― latebloomer aka 'the sun' (latebloomer), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 02:56 (nineteen years ago)

oh this

― RoxyMuzak© (roxymuzak), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 04:08 (nineteen years ago)

yeah i was being silly there. but it was in the name of metal \m/

― latebloomer aka 'the sun' (latebloomer), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 04:15 (nineteen years ago)

well, i didn't think you were being serious!

incidentally, that black metal mix you made me last year was STOLEN out of my car. STOLEN!!

― RoxyMuzak© (roxymuzak), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 04:16 (nineteen years ago)

i might just have to redo it

― unsurprisingly latebloomer is usually disregarded from the fans' meta-text. (lat, Tuesday, 19 September 2006 07:19 (nineteen years ago)

the thieves will pay, i'll sic Vas on 'em

― unsurprisingly latebloomer is usually disregarded from the fans' meta-text. (lat, Tuesday, 19 September 2006 07:20 (nineteen years ago)

The Annie + Varg story is all true. I JUST KNOW that i read an interview where she comments about some black metal stuff, but i can't find it.

damn.-

― MRZBW (MRZBW), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 18:07 (nineteen years ago)

one month passes...

bought a bottle of blood tonight

doin it right

― wordy rappinghood (roxymuzak), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 01:57 (nineteen years ago)

Odin and Wotan sure have shit taste in music.

― Hot Hot Heat (Hot Hot Heat), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 12:01 (nineteen years ago)

HOT HOT HEAT I GET IT BUDDY

― GOD PUNCH TO HAWKWIND (yournullfame), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 12:09 (nineteen years ago)

I can't find any links that discuss the author of Lords of Chaos being a Nazi (which one? There's 2 authors), as mentioned above. Anyone?

― Tiki Theater Xymposium (Bent Over at the Arclight), Wednesday, 1 November 2006 00:14 (nineteen years ago)

http://oraclesyndicate.twoday.net/stories/605560/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Moynihan_%28journalist%29

― 31g (31g), Wednesday, 1 November 2006 00:23 (nineteen years ago)

actually, here are some interviews where he addresses that:

http://www.mumblage.com/story.php?id=36

http://www.wweek.com/html/leada081600.html

― 31g (31g), Wednesday, 1 November 2006 00:40 (nineteen years ago)

So the guy who co-wrote the shitty shitty Lords Of Chaos book is the guy who's behind Blood Axis?

Damn.. I've got to do better research.

― MRZBW (MRZBW), Wednesday, 1 November 2006 00:41 (nineteen years ago)

shit i thought that was a fucking fake

― Lee is Free (Lee is Free), Wednesday, 1 November 2006 01:02 (nineteen years ago)

so did i. it's definitely posed.

― gbx (skowly), Wednesday, 1 November 2006 01:15 (nineteen years ago)

Most awesome Halloween costume idea EVA award goes to Roxy.

― StanM (StanM), Wednesday, 1 November 2006 01:18 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, he just put those beans back in his head and carried on after that. (xpost)

― StanM (StanM), Wednesday, 1 November 2006 01:19 (nineteen years ago)

Thank you, Stan. It received mixed reviews. My sister kept telling me I looked "gross" and got Dead mixed up with the Manic Street Preachers (this was after I was in full costume, including corpsepaint [had to wear it for recognizability, even though it is not in the photo, obv]). I got 3 people asking if I was Euronymous, which I almost count as a positive ID, because it is so close (yet so far...). I got one girl who asked if I was someone from Dimmu Borgir which definitively DOES NOT count as a positive ID.

― wordy rappinghood (roxymuzak), Wednesday, 1 November 2006 21:40 (nineteen years ago)

And another guy grabbed my arm and goes "your costume totally wins." He probably knew the score. And another guy was just really geared up about my shirt and started going on and on about Satanic themed cabinetry he was currently designing, or something.

― wordy rappinghood (roxymuzak), Wednesday, 1 November 2006 21:42 (nineteen years ago)

― wordy rappinghood (roxymuzak), Wednesday, 1 November 2006 21:43 (nineteen years ago)

oops, doubled up

― wordy rappinghood (roxymuzak), Wednesday, 1 November 2006 21:49 (nineteen years ago)

pics?

― Marmot (marmotwolof), Thursday, 2 November 2006 05:09 (nineteen years ago)

i actually have a lot in common with him! he believes in yokelism, like i do:

"They're all deluded. People should worry about what happens on their block. They should get along with their neighbors before they worry about the great ills of society and about telling someone who lives 200 miles away what to do."

He describes conventional politics as a parlor game played out to 19th-century rules while consumerism paves the planet and wipes out unique cultures. He says he never votes. He says vast nation-states are a ridiculous way to organize society, and that a tribal mosaic of small, tightly bonded groups would better suit a human nature he views as largely unchanged from ancient times.

"The only realistic way I would want to deal with society is on some sort of small level of people who have something in common, who look out for each other," he says."

― scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 2 November 2006 05:35 (nineteen years ago)

"This is in response to a question from a snotty 15-year-old punk rocker, and that's the spirit in which it was answered with this sort of incendiary statement," he says."

he's talking about my friend joseph. but he was more like 18, probably. he is pretty snotty though.

― scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 2 November 2006 05:36 (nineteen years ago)

nine months pass...

Finally reading Lords of Chaos. Does it ever address whether or not Dead was openly or otherwise white supremacist, or has this been discussed elsewhere?

I never mentioned it on this thread, but the owner of the Pilot Light made fun of my dead Dead costume mentioned upthread. While dressed as a boy scout.

Quel douche.

― roxymuzak, Monday, 6 August 2007 02:31 (eighteen years ago)

Dead? I didn't personally know him so others might be better placed to judge that but the few people around him I knew always described him as a total (but likeable) misanthrope with an unhealthy fascination with death. The whole supremacist/nordic theme only caught on in that scene years after his death.

― Siegbran, Monday, 6 August 2007 13:08 (eighteen years ago)

Yeah, that's certainly the impression they give in Lords of Chaos. Was Varg the one who kickstarted the white supremacist thing within the Norwegian scene, then?

― roxymuzak, Monday, 6 August 2007 18:26 (eighteen years ago)

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y300/fukkwitt/Burz1.jpg

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y300/fukkwitt/Burz2.jpg

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y300/fukkwitt/Burz3.jpg

December 96. Weird shit.

― MRZBW, Monday, 6 August 2007 19:16 (eighteen years ago)

Wow. "Why kill one today, if you can kill them all tomorrow?"

This should be on the Varg thread!

― roxymuzak, Monday, 6 August 2007 20:19 (eighteen years ago)

two weeks pass...

Dead continues to be more interesting to me than Varg, Euronymous, et al combined.

― roxymuzak, Tuesday, 21 August 2007 03:23 (eighteen years ago)

he totally lived up to his black metal name

― latebloomer, Tuesday, 21 August 2007 03:28 (eighteen years ago)

As Lords of Chaos unconvincingly repeats, they all did.

EYEROLL

― roxymuzak, Tuesday, 21 August 2007 03:36 (eighteen years ago)

one month passes...

ordo ad chao is so damned good

― J0hn D., Friday, 5 October 2007 00:06 (eighteen years ago)

It really is - album of the year for me probably. Never thought they had an album like this still in them.

― Siegbran, Friday, 5 October 2007 13:17 (eighteen years ago)

one month passes...

This is really something.

― roxymuzak, Monday, 19 November 2007 06:02 (eighteen years ago)

wow!

― chaki, Monday, 19 November 2007 06:14 (eighteen years ago)

Yeah!

― roxymuzak, Monday, 19 November 2007 06:31 (eighteen years ago)

I especially like the beginning, when Hellhammer (?) appears to shower Pelle with dandelion flurries.

― roxymuzak, Monday, 19 November 2007 06:32 (eighteen years ago)

whoa

― latebloomer, Monday, 19 November 2007 09:56 (eighteen years ago)

roxy you are as usual a champ!

― latebloomer, Monday, 19 November 2007 09:57 (eighteen years ago)

;)

― roxymuzak, Monday, 19 November 2007 18:52 (eighteen years ago)

one month passes...

Started my first cross stitch project today:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v136/primrosehill/freezingmoon.jpg

― roxymuzak, Monday, 31 December 2007 01:33 (eighteen years ago)

four weeks pass...

The Annie + Varg story is all true. I JUST KNOW that i read an interview where she comments about some black metal stuff, but i can't find it.

Someone corroborate this!

― roxymuzak, Monday, 28 January 2008 18:27 (eighteen years ago)

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/arts/main.jhtml?xml=/arts/2005/03/03/bmwest03.xml

As 2am looms at the Spellemannprisen aftershow party, held in the opulent Grand Hotel in Oslo, Annie kicks off her spearmint-green high heels. It has taken a good hour for her to cross the party, receiving congratulations and dispensing bright "hellos" to acquaintances including Necrobutcher, bassist of notorious black metal outfit Mayhem.

― StanM, Monday, 28 January 2008 18:50 (eighteen years ago)

Wow. Ok, but specifically about her dating Varg?!

― roxymuzak, Monday, 28 January 2008 18:51 (eighteen years ago)

searching

― StanM, Monday, 28 January 2008 18:53 (eighteen years ago)

Stan, you are my fact-checking cuz.

― roxymuzak, Monday, 28 January 2008 18:54 (eighteen years ago)

here's something:
http://stereogum.com/archives/annie-hearts-joey-joe_001639.html#comment-75027

she also dated Euroboy from Turbonegro

― StanM, Monday, 28 January 2008 18:56 (eighteen years ago)

these are all "someone on a forum" so not yet from the horse's mouth:

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=3715305&postcount=19

― StanM, Monday, 28 January 2008 18:57 (eighteen years ago)

That guy seems to be a little light on the facts, though. xpost

― roxymuzak, Monday, 28 January 2008 18:57 (eighteen years ago)

(You're the best, Stan!)

― roxymuzak, Monday, 28 January 2008 18:57 (eighteen years ago)

:-)

Wish I spoke Norwegian though, because I can't find much more at the moment.

― StanM, Monday, 28 January 2008 19:01 (eighteen years ago)

Here she is in a VH1 interview, talking about her record collection - Mayhem is the last one in the list, but she doesn't say anything personal.

http://www.vh1.com/artists/interview/1506025/072005/annie_1_.jhtml

― StanM, Monday, 28 January 2008 19:05 (eighteen years ago)

Annie was 14 when Varg Vikernes was arrested for Euronymous's murder. I guess it still could've been possible that they dated before that (Vikernes was himself only 19 then), but I'm not sure how likely that is.

― Tuomas, Monday, 28 January 2008 19:10 (eighteen years ago)

I thought he was 21?

― roxymuzak, Monday, 28 January 2008 19:17 (eighteen years ago)

Not according to Wikipedia.

― Tuomas, Monday, 28 January 2008 19:18 (eighteen years ago)

Sheesh.

― roxymuzak, Monday, 28 January 2008 19:19 (eighteen years ago)

High school thing, probably - she only moved to Bergen when she was 13, according to Wikipedia again. So it must have been when she was between 13-15, if it really happened.

― StanM, Monday, 28 January 2008 19:20 (eighteen years ago)

I think Vikernes was already in jail when she turned 15.

― Tuomas, Monday, 28 January 2008 19:23 (eighteen years ago)

If he set that church on fire in 1992, then that may have happened while he was having a high school relationship with ... (uh oh, do you think that's why this is so hard to find?)

― StanM, Monday, 28 January 2008 19:28 (eighteen years ago)

doesnt he talk about having a gf at the time of the murder who had an apt and went to techno clubs or something? that would give me the idea that she was older.

― chaki, Monday, 28 January 2008 19:30 (eighteen years ago)

I think the varg/annie thing is either not true or better kept quiet...

― StanM, Monday, 28 January 2008 19:33 (eighteen years ago)

(Should we ask the mods to ungoogle this thread just in case Annie is trying to hide all of this?)

― StanM, Monday, 28 January 2008 19:34 (eighteen years ago)

Haw, you can't be serious!

― roxymuzak, Tuesday, 29 January 2008 01:34 (eighteen years ago)

how come I almost got my head ripped off for posting this pic yesterday?

― Bo Jackson Overdrive, Tuesday, 29 January 2008 04:03 (eighteen years ago)

oh yea, cuz I gave no warning! :)

― Bo Jackson Overdrive, Tuesday, 29 January 2008 04:03 (eighteen years ago)

(brainz inside)

― roxymuzak, Tuesday, 29 January 2008 04:28 (eighteen years ago)

That's not really very nice, Bo Jackson Overdrive.

― Choose Leif, Tuesday, 29 January 2008 04:32 (eighteen years ago)

Where'd you post it, BJO?

I've heard Varg talking about having a predilection for "nice" girls who were completely outside of the metal scene. If she was into Mayhem, this would exclude her (although of course she could have and probably would have gotten into it afterwards).

― roxymuzak, Tuesday, 29 January 2008 04:59 (eighteen years ago)

some great detective work on this thread

― max, Tuesday, 29 January 2008 05:00 (eighteen years ago)

It's a BM "So Not Gonna Happen."

― roxymuzak, Tuesday, 29 January 2008 05:00 (eighteen years ago)

(PS, Varg was 21 when he was convicted, which is why his sentence was 21 years.)

― roxymuzak, Tuesday, 29 January 2008 05:18 (eighteen years ago)

What kind of logic is that?

― Tuomas, Tuesday, 29 January 2008 11:30 (eighteen years ago)

Scandinavian?

― aldo, Tuesday, 29 January 2008 11:34 (eighteen years ago)

He was older than (18?), so they could give him the maximum sentence, which is 21 years in Norway.

― StanM, Tuesday, 29 January 2008 11:45 (eighteen years ago)

Technically, what roxy said is right, but not literally (you don't get 23 years if you kill someone while you're 23, for instance)

― StanM, Tuesday, 29 January 2008 11:46 (eighteen years ago)

To clear up the confusion: according to Vakernes's Wiki page he was 19 in January 1993 when arrested for Euronymous's murder (though he turned 20 the next month), but I guess when he was finally convicted he'd already turned 21, since the court process takes time. Still, I doubt any potential Annie-dating would have happened between his arrest and conviction, so if it's true it must've happened before the arrest, whe Annie was 14 or younger. Which is why I doubt it happened at all.

― Tuomas, Tuesday, 29 January 2008 12:14 (eighteen years ago)

You're right. Varg would never flout popular morality.

― roxymuzak, Tuesday, 29 January 2008 14:47 (eighteen years ago)

(And haw, aldo!)

― roxymuzak, Tuesday, 29 January 2008 14:47 (eighteen years ago)

eleven years pass...

someone had this boot as a hoodie.

i kinda wanted it?

― When I am afraid, I put my toast in you (Neanderthal), Saturday, 26 October 2019 04:09 (six years ago)

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