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I play some midtempo at my regular Friday night gig, but it's a small room that's usually full of weirdos who are easily bored, so I can get away with freakiness that a proper "house crowd" probably wouldn't tolerate.

I usually just change the tempo by dropping in a new record during a breakdown or fading into a movie sample or whatever for a transition.

If drum&bass comes back, I will go fucking bananas. Goddamn drum and bass.

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Wouldn't surprise me. Hey , does anyone else think a lot of their stuff sounds like the intro to "Voices In My Head" (sic?) by The Police looped for about 6 minutes with some nice synth squiggles thrown on top? Ok. Just me, then.

also: breakfast pants, you either know your Wagner or know your Loos. Or both. Either way, the fact that you used the term gesamtkunstwerk is totally awesome. Especially in respect to Villalobos.

as long as it's acid beats and not incredibly high-frequncy squelch, i'm okay with minimal acid.

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- yes to slower tempos, I want more house that sounds like Holly Valance's "All In The Mind"
- ever-more psychedelic ketaminimalism a la Achso and Jesse Somfay's "Lying In A Bed of Mist", I want stuff that sounds like Frodo travelling through enchanted forests with two bongos strapped to his back.

More to follow.

THE RETURN OF MIDTEMPO DANCE

yes

THE HOKEY POKEY

no

PLIP PLOP BUZZSAW

HUH?

AGITATED CONTRARIANISM

YO

ACID HOUSE

REPHLEX WAREHOUSE RAVE REVIVAL?

GO HOME GRANDPA

XPOST, AGIT HOUSE

BIG BEARD

FUCK YOU COLETTE AND YOUR FASHION MAG SYCOPHANTY.

(NO END IN SIGHT)

2007 will be the year the whole re-edit thing really takes off

THAT WAS ME SCHOOLING YOU

THIS TIME LAST YEAR

GANGBAG !

NO

Back to the mid-tempo: do dj's play those slow Radio Slave/Rekid tracks

NO

I MEANT THIS

EQUALS

THIS

psytrance

HMMMMMM ... EXCEPT IT'S ALL GONE TRANCE-NOT-TRANCE??

PS GOD HE LOOKS LIKE KLAUS KINSKI CIRCA NOSFERATU

PPS RUMORED J LAVELLE COLLABO???????

surely drum and bass will have to get popular one of these days

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Isn't 2007 sposed to be all about teh funky fucking house

YES

PREDICTION:

DAFT PUNK "HAA" IS REASSESSED AS WORK OF GENIUS
BRAXE + FALKE + GUETTA + THEIR FOLLOWERS TAKE HEED
FILTERHOUSE / FUNKYHOUSE / MERSH ELECTROHOUSE CROSSOVER IN 2007

TIM FINNEY IN A POLO SHIRT AND THONG AHOY

DOG WHISTLE HUSTLE

NEW SHIT!!!
DJ TECHNICS + K-SWIFT COLLABO!!!

Screwed House

LIKELY!!

dizzee hip-funky-house album

UNLIKELY!!

L&PT produce Madonna tracks

THIS PARTY IS OVER

QV on the Remix

YEAH!!!

rub n tug to launch label, diversify into 'massage parlours'

HELL YEAH!!!

indie kidz to move on from MSTRKRFT and justice sound; start jacking romanthony/male vocal house aesthetic but with more whiney lyrics: EMO HOUSE

LIKE, DUH

OAKENFOLK

A1 Cuba (4:48)
A2 Somewhere Outthere (6:41)
B1 Soft & Gentle (4:34)
B2 Infinite Stairway (7:30)
C1 Folkloric Acid (6:18)
C2 Waves From Within (6:15)
D Neptune Conjunction (4:34)

I say a true return to deep house

NOT DEEP HOUSE ... BUT WEST COAST HOUSE OK

Scott Stapp gabba album

VERY UNLIKELY

screwed minimal & shorter tracks except for villalobos opera

VERY VERY LIKELY

dub

anti-dub

what is anti-dub

claustrophilia

TOTALLY OVER ...

ANYBODY STILL THINK THIS RELEVANT???

THE RETURN OF BONTEMPI DANCE

RESPECT TO A BADMAN

does anyone else think a lot of their stuff sounds like the intro to "Voices In My Head" (sic?) by The Police looped for about 6 minutes

YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

(THAT RECORD FEATURES STING)

i say lots of minimal acid

SO 200000002

no microhouse drum sounds

THANK GOD

2007: shaping up to be a good 'un!

TIM FINNEY IN A POLO SHIRT AND THONG AHOY"

Didn't all of this happen in 2005-2006?

Sadly i don't have pics.

There's very little house music that sounds sleazy and cheap and quirky, even funky house has become too pompous and bombastic, David Guetta couldn't be a better example of this.

I don't know if this will happen tho, a few more labels like Tuning Spork, and maybe....

(i hope)

Why, because Petridis ran out of things to write about?

no, because of what petridis was writing about: an actual rave revival, in the oh-six.

what rave revival? i don't hear any rave music being played. the free party scene is not a revival, just a diminished version of what's been going on since the CJA was implemented. it's had little effect on the mainstream or on dance culture at all.

plus i don't recall, say, northern soul's periodic revivals making the charts.

when?

but in general did northern soul ever chart much? doesn't stop it being an important musical subculture.

evidence?

Yeh, LFO, KLF, SL2, Altern-8, N-Joi, all sorts of other silly names.

DJ Uma - Les D'Jinns
Andy Stott - Demon in the Attick
Julien Jabre - Swimming Places
Sebastien Tellier type stuff

Okay, simply as a matter of me wanting education: what the fuck is the difference b/w deep and west coast house? nobody has been able to give me a straight answer before.

Deep house uses more jazz chords, it has a more melancholy midwest vibe(because they have, like, you know, winters there), and it is a bit more rhythmicly complex.

West Coast house, at least the variety I hear played by shitty local "house" Dj's here in Austin, is very slow, glossy, with wack deepbutnotreally deep house sounds. The basslines are pretty obvious with little syncopation and the drums are usually canned loop and not terribly interesting/clever. There is nothing gritty or funky about it.

It doesn't sound like a clear discription, but if I played you a good Chi deep house record and then a bad west coast house record you would hear the difference.

It was really tough on me when I first started going to clubs out here because my idea of house music was literally Norm Tally, Theo Parrish, KDJ, and Mike Clark. I was in for quite a shock when I went from those guys in Detroit to locals who never change tempos, never mix in records that are from outside that continuum of shitty west coast house(so their sets never go anywhere), never cut back and forth or bang mixes roughly. It is a completely different way of playing records.

WE NEED MORE MIDWESTERN "GRIT"

BUT BUT BUT how can we feel smug?!?!?! the universe will implode...

TRUE

it has a more melancholy midwest vibe

"the contempible spiritual weakness of southern peoples is bred by their exposure to sun" - thomas mann

and it is a bit more rhythmicly complex

???

West Coast house ... is very slow

TRUE

glossy

SOMETIMES

with wack

NO

deepbutnotreally deep house sounds

WHAT'S REALLY DEEP SON?

basslines are pretty obvious

ONLY TO AN EXPERT LIKE MIKE

with little syncopation

RIDICULOUSLY FALSE

the drums are usually canned loop

AGAIN, PATENTLY FALSE - GET ONE GREYHOUND REC'S COMP

MIKE MISSES THAT IT'S VERY DUBBY

"Get a pair of DJs who were more renowned for party rockin than fluid mixing ... Build your own anthems ... The Clash's "Groovy Times" after a set of mindblowing freak beats ... Manic Street Preachers & The Beatles next to "Keep Your Ass Clapping" & "Wede Man" ... a load of 88-89 acid house classics ... jaded clubbers came out of the woodwork to dance alongside first timers, modish youths rubbed shoulders with indie kids ... losing their inhibitions in dark corners & dancing til the light went up ... pretensions & inhibitions flew out the window" - liner notes to chemical brothers mix album circa 1995

In the mean time, I'm off to buy some Robitussin and get this Screwed House thing started

Vahid misses that I explained very clearly that I was referring the the horrible stuff that I am hearing out here in Texas, which DEFINITELY is west coast house music. It doubt that it is the cream of the crop from Cali, but there are definitely enough tracks in the same style to be a distinct genre of music. I have no doubt that a state the size of California has some good producers and labels in it, but Cali's overall track record isn't that hot.

And if by expert you mean that I have been around long enough to know how music works on a technical level, then yeah, I am an expert. I told you what I heard and I have no reason to lie about it. Everything sounds like it came from a commerical house sample cd. Generic house drum patterns, generic rhodes vamp loops, very clean digital sounding "analogue" fx, nothing written across bar lines EVER, no dissonant notes, nothing that would make it even slightly complicated to mix. It is just very generic uncomplicated house music without much depth or personality.

Also, I am *not laughing* about Screwed House. It's *on*.

i think i sort of get the difference now. i'm not really that much of an 'entire-genre' hater (other than...well, d&b), so the debate about which is better doesn't really concern me. i have certain sounds i like better of course, but to dismiss entire sects seems silly no matter what you're talking about, sandwiches or dance musics.

fluo kids is okay. the julien jabre remix is totally amazing on a higher level-- so lush and sad and YES! jamelia is in the trash.

TEH DISCO WILL NEVER STOP.

i am awaiting the sherburne 'tussin sessions' with anticipation.

if goa trance comes into any picture, i will not be in it.

mind you, i think mike's talking a lot of nonsense. i like theo parrish too, but that doesn't mean i have to dislike other styles of house.

let's not forget that norm talley and mike clark are responsible for some of the most hideously overrated producers of the early 2000s.

we've already seen a massive revival of interest in balearic music.

rub'n'tug are already hard at work fusing the balearic ethno-drummy aesthetic w/ acid house (see: their remix of "too much love") ... the next step is going to be some sort of revaluation / reclamation of goa trance, motivated partly by the fetishing of dropout culture (dj harvey on line 1)

The Evil 9 Fabric mix tracklisting would certain point in this direction.

more plz.

Shed - "Well done my son"
Martin Buttrich - "Full Clip"
Alchemist - "The Alchemist"
Henrik Schwarz - "Jimis remix"
Channel B - "Mono Junk"

I reckon SHITLOADS more records like this in '08. Big straight 4/4 kicks, fatter than the micro sound, with biting offbeat hats and subtly modulating repetition. Someone European will remix "Art of stalking". Carl Craig will become even more ever-present.

Also whoever mention Dirtybird OTM for the Ritzy/Ibiza sound.

re claustrophilia and anti-dub: i was half-joking when i said that (which i should've clarified at the time), but matthew dear's fabric mix is not what i had in mind. i was thinking much more dessicated as in subtract the reverb, delay and distortion.

this is pretty much what i meant by minimal acid. regarding my dub suggestion, i think tricky and i meant the same thing by dub. so yeah, carl craig / lazer@present kick patterns with very minimal acid patterns on a serious reichian tip.

i also agree with what vahid says about "the balearic ethno-drummy aesthetic w/ acid house (see: [r'n't] remix of "too much love")" coming into vogue.

Dubstep/minimal crossover.

Dj Pinch!

i said "big dance trends" not "IDM microgenre nerdery"

To fuckin stoned to be intelligent dance music.

So was house in 83.

thx.

who wants to tell me what goa trance to listen to so that i won't hate all of it?

Merrick is a really good guy and a great DJ. I have nothing but respect for what he plays and the way he plays it. Word on the street is that you guys are playing together on Friday. I am thinking about heading down there to check it out.

yes but mike you sound like my a-class piano buddy from oxford who says stuff like "james holden sux no contrapuntal math"

I could use idiotic short-hand for what isn't good about that particular sect, or I could tell you EXACTLY what I don't like about it without having to resort to obvious terms that mean nothing like soulful or deep or funky.

When I listen to something I ask myself if I am feeling it or not, and then I ask myself why. How are the sounds, how is the mix, how is the writing ect. If you question why I have the opinion I have, I will give you a considered answer. It seems to me that being able to explain why is or isn't good about music is an asset.

As far as what I am looking for in 07: I want chicago acid revival records with shitty 707/727 sounds that sound like Jack Frost on Mathmatics 08. I also want some hard jacking stuff that will allow me to work the Space Mix of Losing Control by Sleazy D or Feen For Rhythm by Steve Poindexter into a set. I have the Chicago Boogie comps from Eskimo and 2,3 and 4 are pretty decent but they are so damn fast. I also want hardcore idiot minimalism with like a kick drum and a bleep and white noise like the B-side to the 1987 ep on Sound Signature.

I would also like to see some tuneful song-oriented vocal material that sounds like old Hotmix 5/10 City records. I am a weirdo though and nobody but me and slutty girls want to hear this stuff at a club, especially the club mixes of Somethings Never Change or Don't Want It, or That's The Way Love Is.

I also would like to see more tracky ghetto house hardware oriented analogue tracks. Big kicks and hardware noises with no vst synths or effects. I would shit bricks if Underground Construction was licened for repressings. I also need to get ahold of more banging house stuff like Aaron Carl's Remix of Hardlife on UR.

I think 07 is about getting away from pristine hifi computer sounds and more towards 707/RZ1 drum machines with shitty analogue synth noises recorded on 50 dollar 4 track cassette portastudios from craigslist.

As far as Detroit anthems go, I played Knights of the Jaguar, into that new Ican(ex-los Hermanos) record, then onto the Roland's Aguilar EP on UR and then finally into the strings and vocal remix of Octave One's Black Water. I would also love to see more latin flavored Detroit stuff from that whole UR/Los Hermanos/Roland axis.

yeah it sounds good in theory but why then does everybody who's tried to do this sort of thing (the bunker crew, todd mulinix as the idiot box, etc) has turned out crap??

i would support a repressing campaign, i would also support something other than remaking the same old shit over and over again.

at least do something new w/ the box, jacking the box has been done.

*multiple rewrites on the fly are killing music*

that would be pointless

Yes please!. Santiago Salazar (one of UR guys involved in that whole los hermanos/etc axis) moved back to LA recently and I heard a bunch of his new stuff he's working on last weekend and it's kind of got that vibe. It's like, half old chicago house samples and stabby piano noises + the typical detroit/latin vibe. Really good. I want to see more stuff that is kind of light and sprightly but still somewhat banging, and not as much dark, sludgy, gloopy, plodding stuff.

http://www.whateverwewantrecords.com/
http://www.rongmusic.net/
http://www.rub-n-tug.com/

there are lots of good ideas in this thread.

also, i am glad that no one wants to rec me some goa trance.

ps "the Finney polaroids" are en route to Hello! as we speak

"Carl Craig will become even more ever-present."

There's a way you can both be right.

no "revelee" (remix) w/o "i feel space" etc

plz to defend this statement v.

in other words, i don't really get what yr saying when you say 'outside of trends in dance music'-- all the see mi yah remix stuff is also certainly part of a trend. maybe not on the dancefloor, but if you're following the culture it's certainly present and popular.

It's not like everything in 2004-2006 has been "plip plop drums or meandering instrumentation".

(background: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loituma_Girl)

(anyway, that is continuation, but i also meant: certain sounds will always be present and popular in any form or genre, not necessarily negating their greatness. the craig and craig-like detroit sound is perennially popular, or at least in many circles it is).

similarly the "see mi yah" remix and the "falling up" remix seem to draw heavily on the trance-state k-house vibe of stuff like the wighonomys "pele bloss" and holden's "safari" remix ...

mind you, that stuff owes a heavy debt to "internal empire"-era rob hood, so it all comes full circle ... that album made a much bigger splash in german techno circles than it did in britain and/or the US ... you always hear about dan bell's DBX work as a microhouse forerunner (dan bell, richie hawtin ... and someone else who i forget ...) but i'd wager "internal empire" was as big if not more!

it is my father's birthday! shit.

never forget.

which was basically his version of green velvet's "abduction", right??

a) return to symmetrical haircuts

b) remote dj-ing via internets

c) ???

Also while I grant that Craig does whatever-he-does WELL, it would be good for us to be able identify how/why that is - surely he can't be very straightforward and simultaneously be about the "subtleties of manipulation of sound". Well actually I think he's somewhere in the middle there: there's a lot more straightforward stuff in the electro-house/minimal continuum, but there's a lot more obviously sound-as-sound-focused minimal stuff as well.

I suspect that what distinguishes Craig's recent material is his success in building a cumulative effect: the first few bars of "Falling Up" aren't going to blow you away, but by the time that vaguely latin synth line drifts in the repetition has taken on the feel of something arcane and massive, like you're participating in a rite that will bring about the rise of some forgotten god - the gathering clouds of synths in the second half are like the visual manifestation of the rite's success (the statue is surrounded by an unholy light etc.) -this is why I consider "Played Runner" and "Insomnia (Ame Remix)" to be in CC vein - they both do the exact same trick, really.

With Craig's stuff especially I'm put in mind of a techno version of Armand Van Helden at his best.

the whole "revelee" EP is fantastic. i tend to gravitate towards the D&G remix.

xpost, agreed, i was going to make the same comment.

otm. I agree entirely with this.

Plus I still think the "Falling Up" remix is fucking boring!

http://www.discogs.com/release/4177

http://www.discogs.com/release/4177

He's been doing this for years.

have no idea what dabbing is, gonna see how long i can keep it goin

This was a great thread.

ever-more psychedelic ketaminimalism a la Achso and Jesse Somfay's "Lying In A Bed of Mist", I want stuff that sounds like Frodo travelling through enchanted forests with two bongos strapped to his back.

Funnily enough I was about to declare this officially the worst Tim F post of all time.

I was right about psychedelic ketaminimalism in 2007 (basically the consensus choice for the eurodance middle ground that year) but wrong about it sounding like Frodo:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NDkeA2k4XpQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j95dpt9ig5U

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ecN_96aG3g0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nlw3kp2_jpo

Also I have had much more on-the-nose pronouncements than that I am sure.

I say a true return to deep house. Which could mean bad or good.
If drum&bass comes back, I will go fucking bananas. Goddamn drum and bass.

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