the nu-pigfuck

http://www.villagevoice.com/music/0410,eddy,51628,22.html

Though, do Clone Defects/Human Eye count? Maybe they should...

and, no, not specifically, ned, i was just throwing a name out there. although, maybe, i don't hear everything.

Geisha
Mondo Dell'Orrore
Crucial Blast
'90's noise rock style is in full effect - go get late passes

This UK bulldozer may be merely a symptom of something bigger, but it’s a mighty potent one. See, the buildup has been there for a few years, but now the evidence is just overwhelming: noise rock is back. Not obtuse/abstract/free/Merzbow/wank noise, which hangs around forever like dandruff and ska, but AmRep/Load/Trance Syndicate junk. Christ, even Noiseville is back. Some of it’s even free of the “I’m male! MALE!!! SUCK MY COCK!!!” thing.

Lots of these bands have been grinding for years, but something seems about to break, and not just Lightning Bolt’s snare heads. Word to Sightings, Silver Daggers, No Things, El Buzzard, Goslings, Coughs, Gorch Fock, No Doctors, New Flesh, Steers, Mouthus, Magic Markers, Impractical Cockpit, the increasing popularity of Boris and Circle, the Comets on Fire massive, the outta-goddamn-nowhere return of Siltbreeze Records with the wonderful Times New Viking album, and a whole mess more.

Included among that “whole mess” are storied crew Geisha, who remember that the “rock” shouldn’t overwhelm the “noise” and vice versa. Nonetheless, everything here is utterly overblown, in the red and distorted like the war on terror. And hey, they’re British, ideal for folks who miss Mogwai playing short songs that caved in walls with their hideous white-hot skree. Again and again, Geisha fail to let up, cool off, take five, or chill out. I’ve been waiting for this scene to come back like Jews for Jesus. Reunited, and it feels so good. —Joe Gross

http://www.myspace.com/blackelk

sooooo lizard-y. but the album just SOUNDS so cool and big and blasting. you know?

http://www.villagevoice.com/music/0414,eddy,52413,22.html

http://www.myspace.com/battleship

They keep their tempos speedy, like HC, but the crumbling disaster of their guitar sound matches some of the bands already mentioned.

The last one definitely has a Jesus Lizard feel to it. Lead singer sounds like he's drunk now instead of on fire, songs are longer, slower. It's the best thing they've done but for some that might be faint praise...

Squee?

http://www.myspace.com/giddymotors

c

cockcleaner EP = this shouldn't be so hard to like. just six songs; four of them under two minutes each. fairly decent (and decently sized) big black-minus-roland guitar and drum churn. hey, i lived in the midwest in the '80s, i'm allowed to be nostalgic about that stupid kinda pigfuck shit. (the typography and album art even look like big black. though the "without the roland" would be better WITH the roland -- maybe this is rapeman or shellac nostalgia rather than big black nostalgia*? haven't listened to a rapeman or shellac record in eons, so i have no idea.) but the vocals are rigid and humorless, and unlike albini's in big black they don't push the songs into your face, and mixing them so low makes them even more annoying. fuck it.

* -- CD insert thing also compares them to flipper, which is baloney. are pissed jeans this shitty, too? if so, i'm not missing anything.

-- xhuxk (xedd...), March 6th, 2006.

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oops, CLOCKCLEANER. (Guess their cocks are still dirty.)
-- xhuxk (xedd...), March 6th, 2006.

In other news, I have decided that I sort of like Pissed Jeans. The 12-inch EP on their own label is better than the Subpop 45, though.

-- xhuxk (fakemai...), September 15th, 2006.

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(Though then again, the people who compare Pissed Jeans to Flipper really overstate things. They're nowhere near that good. Possibly as good as Scratch Acid or Killdozer though, which is no insult. I guess the people who say Flipper are concentrating on their guitar sound, and the fact that their lyrics about being sick and desiring boring girls and cigarette butts on the ground at the mall and being ashamed of their own cum and having an ugly twin seem to have some semblance of vulnerabilty and neurosis [the substance, not the band] and heart to them. Which is good. But Flipper were a way catchier.)
-- xhuxk (fakemai...), September 15th, 2006.

and clockcleaner's great, esp. live. i don't think the 7" or the lp do them justice. they have a 6 song demo for new stuff that totally blows the earlier stuff out of the water.

Giddy Motors: paperthinwalls.com/singlefile/item?id=286
Rabies Caste: paperthinwalls.com/singlefile/item?id=253
Totimoshi: paperthinwalls.com/singlefile/item?id=285

Tho, they're all more T&G style noize-rock than neo pigfuck.

although they are friends of mine, I think STNNNG is operating at about as high a level both recording wise and live as any currently active band...for me at least...they had their CD release party for their new CD yesterday at the 7th St. Entry....Shellac actually came up for Chicago for the all-age early show to be a surprise opener, I know Albini and Weston are big fans....I just heard that Shannon Selberg from the Cows was up front watching right in front of the stage for the entire late show...so they seem to have the stamp of approval from some of the big wigs in the genre...

but yeah anyway their new album Fake Fake is really specular...as is their one from last year, Dignified Sissy (scott I believe I sent you a copy once, not sure if you liked it or listened to it, but I think they are well worth checking out...

http://www.myspace.com/stnnng

has some traxx, including one - hybrid animal - off the first album.

if you have a chance to see them, they are absolutely killer live.

the band i was in got a lot of jesus lizard comparisons... i think i'll spare myself the embarassment.

amrep resurgences have been around for sure. start with vaz or arab on radar. (vaz are ex-amrep.)

also, today is the day = amrep. (the good records at least.) and the daughters latest is very amrep noise rock.

battleship are great, but the clear sound of the bass thumps align differently.

not all t&g = pigfuck right?

fuck embarassment, here, the band i was in:
http://www.myspace.com/noparty "reclusive"
those vocals are not me. my vox were way more nerd weird. songs about magic the gathering, d&d, rock crit, and the alphabet but to this toughish music. this new singer guy was all pals with unsane and all and wrote more disturbing lyrics. insert laff track.

rambling aside... pigfuck to me has more 'tude than anything, right? not so much the quantity of distortion in your bass's hoo haw, but the amount of toilet floor lint on your teeth.
m.

it's longer than 20 minutes! and it's an lp, dude. can't wait to hear the next one (which afaik has been recorded - not sure about mixed or mastered yet).

for nu-Am Rep, I like The Blind Shake a lot...their album came out last year....they have now partnered up with Michael Yonkers and have an album coming out of new Yonkers songs where they are his backing band....heard a song off it, and it sounds fucking devastatin' percolatin'....

http://www.myspace.com/theblindshake

heard good things about stnng, will check 'em out.

Yow, that actually sounds more interesting to me than Pissed Jeans, or pigfuck (nu- or old-skool) in general, despite my affection for the Stunning and some of what I suppose could count as PROTO-pigfuck (per xhuxk above -- Flipper esp). Cheers.

absolutely DESTROYED the triple rock last time i saw them live.

YEAH I HEARD ALL ABOUT IT. >:(

STEVEN TYLER AND DAMO SUZUKI SAT IN WITH THE BAND!

ALLAN HOLDSWORTH AND ROBERT FRIPP HAD A GUITAR DUEL BETWEEN SETS!

SUPRISE OPENER: N.W.A. REUNION!

xpost

Yeah. Never seen the Ex before. I am what you might call "stoked."

http://www.myspace.com/huntinglodge

Guess not.

without naming any names it's a nice change of pace from what had heretofore dominated philly's indie scene. but yeah, "why now...and why so much?" has been kicking around in my head too.

[this geisha record is mellowing out right now; i think i liked the microwaves disc a little better. in any case, this is great preparatory music for a house inspection around noon today. then i'll be singing about caulk and whatnot.]

this geisha record really comes back around fwiw.

http://www.southern.net/southern/band/VOLTT/EOM23.php

Tractor Sex Fatality were working this angle a couple years back, as documented on the excellent "Black Magic, White Pussy" LP, but they've streamlined their sound/membership since.

What about Todd? More ex-Hammerhead stuff that's right in line with the soundz of yore. Nowhere near as interesting/catchy as Vaz, but funier, and they arguably rock harder.

I'm kinda questioning the "pigfuck" nameplate, too. While I hear a lot of bands aping the sound of late 80s Midwest post-hardcore, I don't see the same kind of confrontationalist creativity. If there are pigs present, they aren't really getting properly fucked.

I am loving Stnnng right now.

Also thinking: Was grunge just what they called pig fuck in Seattle in 1990?

grunge was what we called pigfuck in 86 - by 90 it was something else

in the 80s grunge was anything with dirty/heavy gtrs... kilslug, dinosaur's 1st album, scientists.

seattle grunge was pigfuck minus the filth, desperation, & degradation. they took the sound but dropped the demented arty flourishes, being generally more trad in their rock styling. tad and the thrown ups were the closest seattle got to pigfuck.

I guess it starts looking like splitting hairs and narcissism of small differences if you weren't there, but at the time these equations were pretty clear:

sub pop 100 = pigfuck
sub pop 200 = grunge

Mayyors ftw

can't wait till the tinsel teeth album drops next year, I get heavy T&G flashbacks from that crew

have you ever seen them (tinsel teeth) live, edward? i ask not only because of their singer is a dildo-wielding blood covered goth freakazoid but because they're one of those bands that really blew me away live but were painfully boring on record. i only heard their demo though, hopefully the album will be an improvement.

haha, yes, a ton, they're good friends

new record is def a closer approximation of their lurching live sound, should be out on load in march

2nd mayyors - deads ep is the best update of 90s "noise rock" (not pigfuck exactly) i've heard yet

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ayrEZIx-Ofc&feature=player_embedded#

okay fuck mayyors are AWESOME

contenderizer was it you who posted about mayyors in the punk thread? i've been listening to dead ever since it was mentioned in there and i should probably thank whoever enlightened me to it cause it's been one of my most loved pieces of music all year. few times a month i get on a kick where all i want to listen to is this and endless blockade. have they released anything else?

Y'all should check out The Family Curse. They moved to Seattle from SF about a year back.

Basically sounds like Big Black only with a gorgeous amazon lead singer lady.

http://www.myspace.com/thefamilycursemission

huh. haven't seen the family curse. suppose i need to get out more.

and i dunno that i was the first to post about the mayyors on punk thread. i expect not, but i'll happily accept any credit and/or blame for symptoms related to exposure. but uh tell me of this endless blockade...

Hmm, so apparently, the guitarist (and recording engineer) of the Mayyors was also the guitarist and recording maestro of the FM Knives? The bands don't seem very similar on the surface.

yeah i'd heard that and yr right. mayyors = what the coachwhips would've sounded like if they'd been the best band on amrep circa 1990. or maybe 2nd best (halo of flies luv)

I haven't seen Mayyors yet. But people have been screaming in my ear about them for the last year.

I finally lifted a finger to figure it out and realized that my old buddy John Pritchard is their singer. Used to gig with his old bands Sexy Prison and Corpse Fuck Corpse quite a bit down in Sacramento/Davis area.

hells nor did i know of sexy prison connect - another great band and with a sound that makes a good deal of sense in relation to mayyorses

endless blockade is neither noise rock nor pigfuck-it's powerviolence! if you're into that sort of thing i recommend it highly, if not check it out and it might change your mind. gives me that same feeling as mayyors like i'm chewing through a leather jacket.

ENDLESS BLOCKADES FOR THE PUSSYFOOTEEEUUURRGHHH

sorry, carry on

if you go to last fm and listen to KILLDOZER RADIO you get the best music in the world! halo of flies, janitor joe, steel pole bathtub, halo of flies, jesus lizard, no trend, feedtime, scratch acid, cows, karp, god bullies, flipper, godheadSilo, pussy galore, big black.

it's fun for a couple of hours.

i'm surprised to see no mention of the austerity program or young widows here.

also, mayyors are blowing my mind, thanks to whomever recommended them.

can't get into Mayyors. feels inauthentic for some reason.

get out of my pigfuck, youth-large.

http://www.victimoftime.com/media/images/Mayyors082.jpg

lol.

if you like mayyors, you guys should listen to Watery Love! "(I'M A) Skull" is my jam.

in the interview for my college radio show, they asked my friend and i what we intended on playing. they had never heard of boredoms or any of the other bands we named so i just started listing genres, and dude interrupted me after a split second of recognition, just after i had said the word pigfuck. "wait, what the fuck are you talking about?"

great recommendation on KILLDOZER RADIO on last.fm--everything scott said plus skullflower, a-frames, brainbombs, u.s. maple, trumans water--what will come next? so great.

drunkdriver broke up

tinsel teeth playing helter shelter in pittsburgh tonight, and brooklyn tomorrow. ian you should come down!

i am going to cry if that's true

no, tinsel teeth really is playing brooklyn tomorrow

is the dd album still coming out? or has it already, i've lost track

record release show was supposed to be tomorrow @ market hotel, not happening

http://www.brooklynvegan.com/archives/2010/03/drunkdriver_pla.html#more

kinda bummed that I missed their set at SXSW, they were playing right next door to where I was

drunkdriver broke up

― 鬼の手 (Edward III), Friday, 26 March 2010 19:27 (26 minutes ago) Bookmark

Because their drummer got outed as a rapist.

I was gonna post something abt this yesterday but it seemed morelike rubbernecking than anything productive at that point

This is something the singer from the band wrote today tho - basically the drummer from Drunkdriver has a number of accusations of rape and general sketchiness following him around from his past (inc when he was in Wives if you remember Wives) and it caught up with him

i didn't know about these accusations when we started this band. after about six months in, one of these incidents was brought to my attention. had a long talk with jeremy about it, who completely denied it. he told me in detail about the incident when he was 15 and both instances in question from when he was in wives. after thinking about it, i decided that i wanted to believe my friend's story. he told kristy about it, and she took the same position as i did. after she and i heard from two very hard detractors of jeremy's, we decided for ourselves that we needed more information. because she didn't have an email address or any other kind of contact info, she wrote the myspace page of the band in question. she absolutely did not ask for details, but said that she was a woman playing in a band with jeremy and wanted to know if, as a woman, she should be concerned about playing music with him or being around him at all. she never heard back from them, which is more than completely understandable but did factor into why we decided to stay together at that point. we tried our best to talk to people who were around when everything happened with wives, and many were supportive of jeremy. we stayed a band for three years after that, and in that period of time jeremy did not ever step out of line or act out of turn. he had cut significantly down on drinking in the past year and stopped completely in november. when we were on our way back from chicago, i was told about the mishka blog post. i didn't mention it to kristy or jeremy at the moment because i just wanted for us to get home safely and not freak out. the day that i got home, timmy hefner called me and said that he had talked to no age and some other la people after reading the blog and absolutely could not do shows for us anymore. immediately after that, todd p called and said that he was dropping us from his monterey fest because no age refused to play if we were on. immediately after that, randy from no age called me. this was the first time that anyone from la had ever contacted me or kristy. he told me his side of the story and no age's position and was as sweet, stand up, and polite as possible in doing so. after talking with him, i started to feel differently. the enormous gravity of the situation started to really beat down on me and i felt significant doubt for the first time. we talked about it at length again, and a part of me, as someone i had grown close to, still wanted to give jeremy the benefit of the doubt. he freely and openly discussed this with anyone and openly posted his email address to anyone who wanted to contact him about this, which made me feel more confident in him. i still wanted to give him the benefit of the doubt, but this ate at me more and more. we played a handful of other shows and did sxsw. after that, this thread came up. with all of the dialogue, it beat me down and made me reexamine my position. i told kristy and jeremy that i could no longer do the band and they respected my decision. i agreed to play this one last show, but as time went on and i talked to friends and read this thread, i decided that i couldn't do that either.

i won't lie and say that i don't care about jeremy. when he's told me what he's told me in the past, i really want to believe him. still, i know that a number of people involved in his past have absolutely no reason to lie to me and if this is true, i absolutely cannot live with myself. the thought of it disgusts me and breaks my heart. the fact that he's been good throughout my experience doesn't take away from the possibility of his past. i can't do this band anymore and feel good about it.

i'm so sorry to everyone who this has hurt. i'm so sorry to everyone who i have disappointed beyond repair. i never meant any harm, but that doesn't take away from anything.

xp obv

ilx late to the discussion as usual

terrible that those clusterfuck threads didn't happen here

I was actually thinking about having a civilized non-dickish(TM) discussion about what the honorable, responsible music critic to do is, in regards to reviewing/mentioning the upcoming record. Though I pretty much think at this point, no one is gonna touch it with a 10-foot pole.

here's what you do whiney:

http://i43.tinypic.com/99mlhf.jpg

This is the one on Load right? I mean is it even gonna get released esp if the prevailing opinion is of the "no one is gonna touch it with a 10-foot pole" kind?

This kept being mentioned on VLV where everyone said it was all over BCO and now i cant even escape it on ilm

Hopefully ILM will manage to not be quite as pro-rape as VLV

jeez! was he the drummer in wives? i think i talked to that guy for minute at the 7th st entry....they played a show w/my friends and everyone flipped because prince showed up at the end with some bodyguards and hot chicks.

I've had long AIM and phone conversations with people very close to Jeremy AND people very close the victim and I honestly still don't have enough information to form an real opinion of my own.

I don't get the controversy, plenty of musicians have done horrible/unforgivable things

I can understand not wanting to be in a BAND with a particularly objectionable person cuz that's a level of personal connection that could get pretty uncomfortable

or is this community just SO SMALL that everyone involves feels personally responsible for everybody else...?

i think it's that punk rock is an actual COMMUNITY that most of us are a part of; and not just a bunch of people gawking at R. Kelly or Mystikal or Phil Spector from afar

really fucked up situation.

erect the youth problem by wives is a killer record.

i think it's that punk rock is an actual COMMUNITY that most of us are a part of; and not just a bunch of people gawking at R. Kelly or Mystikal or Phil Spector from afar

― sodamrongerbot (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, March 26, 2010 11:28 PM (13 minutes ago) Bookmark

i agree; a lot of the pressure/responsibility being thrown around is on a friend-basis. it's really weird that it's mostly playing out on the internet, but i guess it would be like if some regular ILXor did something really bad like this.

[moderator edit]

um not sure i get it

but bleh what a morass

it's probably for the best they broke up, writing or talking about or even going to the record store to buy their new record (if it even gets released) it will be forever awkward. i certainly won't be smashing my drunkdriver records any time soon, but it's a weird space between not wanting to say something off-colour about a rape and being sad one of your favourite bands broke up.

Though I pretty much think at this point, no one is gonna touch it with a 10-foot pole.

in some ways this is a real shame, especially for the rest of the band. blegh this is weird.

so, uh, ed, where in brooklyn??? i'll come i think.

awesome!

it's at some place called shea stadium

show starts @ 9, tinsel teeth going on 4th

I got some load records distro vinyl w/ me

ok scratch that

tinsel van broke down in PA

we're not making the brooklyn show

pigfucked in PA. bummer.

is the dd album still coming out? or has it already, i've lost track

― facepalm death (samosa gibreel), Friday, March 26, 2010 3:35 PM (1 week ago)

parts unknown is putting it out

get ready rubberneckers

will probably be my album of the year if the song they had up on load myspace is any indication. i always dreamed of a louder, less blown out lo-fi drunnkdriver and now my dream is going to come true.

in the mean time i'm anticipating the new twin stumps

dd leaked & is currently kicking my ass

tinsel teeth album drops tomorrow

i'll keep an eye out for that, they were rad openning for chinese stars last summer.

not pigfuck per se, but dope body's 'natural history' is giving me some cows/jesus lizard vibes - along with some flipper/melvins plodding along the way - and helmet's notion of groove.

tho, in this case the confrontational posture of some of these bands is put aside for some welcoming goofiness...

think this type of stuff got subsumed into the rolling punk threads

rolling punk/non-indie underground 2012

but yeah dope body is rad

The White Suns rekkid on Load is the best nu-pigfuck of 2012

ok, thx. i never payed that much attention to that thread, tbh. always thought about it more in terms of punkier or indier efforts - dunno, iceage, king tuff or nu sensae.

dope body record rules.

just remembered 90s florida band load, sounded like karp and cherubs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TimaHlPv31I

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9zBHU1PCCo