Rolling US Charts Thread, 2007

Even I had more faith in the American record-buying public than that.

we've discussed both, i don't remember which thread

I've been doing so to anyone who'll listen for the last couple months.

E'en so, here below below: 'Waiting On The World To Change' has got a second wind! It rises to a new peak of #15 from last week's 22, inbetween minor residual climbers Unk and Snow Patrol. 'Runaway Love' also looks to be getting its tail up (17 from 26), along with The Third Justin Timberlake Single (21 from 34), 'Promise' (22 from 27), Fat Joe's 'Piss On You (Remix ft. Lil Wayne)' (27 from 31), Daughtry (surely DAUGHTERISER? 28 from 38, anyhow), The Snoop-R Squad (29 from 37), KT Tunstall As Heard On The Hit Show 'Ugly Betty' (30 from 43), Lloyd ft. Lil Wayne (31 from 47), 'She's Everything' (40 from 46), 'Through Glass' (41 from 44 after 23 weeks - an appropriately slow and angsty rise, then), and 'Watching You' (44 from 48).

New to the 50 - Omarion!, who should perhaps consider getting an exclamation mark permanently appended (45 from 51 for 'Ice Box'), Augustana's 'It's My Piano And I'll Cry If I Want To' (46 from 58), and Hellogoodbye (48 from 52).

That might just be to clear the way for 'What Goes Around...', though, which rockets from 21 to 12, dragging 'Runaway Love' (13 from 17), 'Promise' (17 from 22), 'You' (18 from 31), 'Make It Rain' (19 from 27 - is this the first instance of back-to-back Lil Wayne guest spots in the top 20?), 'Walk Away' (20 from 23) and 'It's Not Over' (21 from 28) along with it.

'That's That' rises to 25 from 29, while leaps are also made by 'Ice Box' (30 from 45), 'The Sweet Escape' (31 from 53), 'Snow' (33 from 39), 'I Luv It' (34 from 38), 'Boston' (37 from 46), 'Here (In Your Arms)' (38 from 48), 'Watching You' (39 from 44), 'Tim McGraw' (40 from 43) and 'Top Back' (50 from 58).

DAUGHTERISER climbs from 21 to 6, presumably aided by his/their album being #1. Top 10 is rounded out by fallers - 'Fergalicious', 'Smack That', 'How To Save A Life' and 'Welcome To The Black Parade'.

Another brand new entry in the top 20 - Corbin Bleu's 'Push It To The Limit' (please not cover please) is at 14. 'Runaway Love' climbs to #11. Major leaps for 'The Sweet Escape' (19 from 31), KT Tunstall (23 from 35), 'Here (In Your Arms)' (32 from 38), The Red Jumpsuit Apparatus (46 from 52), Keith Urban (47 from 53) and - FOR FUCK'S SAKES - Gym Class Heroes (49 from 83). Nickelback have a brand new entry at 50 with 'If Everyone Cared'.

DAUGHTERISER are #1 in the albums. Corinne Bailey Rae climbs from 32 to 4, apparently aided by Oprah. Which is dreadfully nice of Oprah.

haha their song titles make me laugh

Inside the 20, it's RISE OF THE EMO: Fat Joe is #13, Hellogoodbye are #14, and Gym Class Heroes are this week's AIRPLAY GAINER PRESENTED BY NISSAN SHIFT_2.0, climbing from 28 to 15.

Big movers below that include 'Lost Without U' (29), Akon's 'Don't Matter' (30), Fergie and Ludacris' 'Glamorous' (31), Nickelback (32), The Jonas Brothers' re-doing of 'Year 3000' (STRAIGHT IN AT 40, making them the HOT SHOT PRESENTED BY NISSAN SHIFT_2.0), 'Poppin'' (42), Rihanna ft. Sean Paul (45), T.I. (46), Katharine McPhee (STRAIGHT IN AT 48), and Rich Boy ft. Polow da Don (49).

Norah Jones rules the albums.

I understood the appeal of the previous Furtado singles at least in the abstract, but jeez "Say It Right" is terrible.

That'd be Busted. This said, the JB's version has been kicking around for a good year now, surely?

Maroon 5 reclaims the throne. Daughtry ascends into the top 5 with "Home." In its third week, Carrie Underwood's version of "I'll Stand By You" drops all the way down to #38, but it's OK, because "Before He Cheats" finally makes the top 10 (#8) in its 38th week. Justin Timberlake threatens to make "Summer Love" the fourth #1 off FutureSex/LoveSounds, as it, too, climbs into the top 10 (#9); it's not near the equal of the previous three singles, but we shouldn't estimate radio programmers jumping all over this one as a 2007 summer jam.

Other notable gainers in the top 40: Fall Out Boy's "No...They Be Stealin' My Vowels" ascends from #24 to #14 and Fergie's "Big Girls Don't Cry" is up from #41 to #21. Some new Elliot Yamin song rises from #80 to #31. And Enrique Inglesias's "Do You Know? (The Ping Pong Song) is the Hot-Shot Debut at #33.

I can't believe "I'm a Flirt" hasn't broached the top ten. It's practically the only thing I hear on the radio.

Yes and "Umblella" (as my 2.5 year-old says) has only reached 41 in 6 weeks on the charts. Neither make sense.

"Umbrella" just became available on iTunes 2 days ago (and is already the #1 song) = it will leap up the Hot 100 next week. On the other hand, "Flirt"'s been on iTunes for weeks and looks to have peaked already. What a shame.

I really hate "Summer Love" and can't fathom why it's a single beyond the fact that it's about to be summer. Thankfully, one of the D.C. stations I listen to has been playing the hell out of "Until The End Of Time" instead for some reason, which suits me much better.

"Summer Love" is alright, but definitely JT's weakest single to date. "Until the End of Time" is doing well on the R&B charts, so apparently it's getting play in some markets.

I can't imagine that "Umbrella" won't go to #1 next week. It's #3 on airplay and I imagine that it will sell boatloads.

I need to imagine up another word.

"Umbrella" will follow the "SOS", "Sexyback", "Promiscuous Girl", "Makes Me Wonder", etc. path to success. Modest airplay allows it to bang around the bottom of the chart. Availability on iTunes makes it shoot to the top or near the top of the chart. Massive show of support from buying public creates substantial uptick in airplay. Uptick in airplay results in even more sales, etc.

I can't imagine that "Umbrella" won't go to #1 next week.

The only question is, will "This Is My Now" be reflected on this week's charts or the next one's?

really hate "Summer Love" and can't fathom why it's a single beyond the fact that it's about to be summer.

I really thought he'd release "LoveStoned/I Think That She Knows." Guess he understands, like the rest of us, that it will remain an album track highlight.

So who is buying all those Daughtry cds? Teenage or younger suburban white girls and guys? Rawk fans of all genders and ages? I have never developed an appreciation for that post-grunge whatever style but clearly millions of Americans do.

yeah, I think you kinda answered your own question. also, I think Daughtry is way more of a heartthrob (i know multiple women who LOVE him) than, say, dude from Nickelback, so that helps.

I wonder if this American Idol will be the first not to produce a #1 single. Checking the iTunes chart history post at UKMIX, "This Is My Now" peaked at #3. At this point it's #5, behind "You Give Love A Bad Name" by Blake Lewis.

I wonder if this American Idol will be the first not to produce a #1 single.

That depends on whether "this American Idol" refers to Season 6 of the show or Jordin herself. Season 2 produced a #1 single, but it was by Clay, not the Idol of the season, Ruben.

I meant the show in general, that's why I didn't say Jordin was the first Idol not to.

The iTunes chart might be more accurate than expected, as I just noticed that the song is not getting a physical release.

The iTunes chart might be more accurate than expected, as I just noticed that the song is not getting a physical release.

Not that this is the first time by any means, but welcome to the future. Soon, as referenced above, the only physical albums released will be post-grunge and country and all combinations of the two. Those seem to be the only albums (besides Beyonce and TI) that go multi-platinum anyway.

Thanks for the welcome, but I was referring to the fact that this is the first Idol single not to be released physically. I'm aware that digital-only releases aren't particularly unique. Taylor certainly got a CD single release, and I can't imagine that he would have hit #1 if mothers and grandmothers across the nation had to sign up with iTunes.

musically - It was mainly physical CD single sales that pushed Taylor to number one, not digital downloads per se, so it's a good bet that if Jordan has no physical release that she'll debut out of the top position.

xpost

Sorry to come of as snide, I was really just using that as a segue to my discussed-to-death interest in and mental countdown to the end of the physical format.

Anothing thing someone brought up which I thought was a good point was that this season, studio versions of all the songs were available for purchase throughout the finals, and both Blake and Jordin have studio EPs on iTunes right now. So with other seasons, if you wanted a Fantasia/Clay/Kelly/whoever song, your only choice was the finale single, but now you can purchase Jordin's version of "A Broken Wing" or "I Who Have Nothing" instead if you want a track of hers. The lower ratings for the finale and the craptastic coronation song likely contributed to the single's probable lack of number one-ness as well. ANYWAY I will stop talking about American Idol now.

We're all aware that Carrie Underwood's Pretenders cover debuted at #6 three weeks ago as a digital-only release, right? So it's probably not that far off before a song hits #1 without any physical copies.

Well, plenty of airplay only singles hit number one even before digital sales were tabulated on the charts, and several songs have hit number one in the digital era without a physical release, so I'm not sure what you are getting at.

Maybe you mean hitting at #1 with digital sales only and no airplay at all? "Breaking Free" went #4 with 0 airplay points and no physical sales.

As for albums:

DAUGHTRY -- has become the best-selling musician in America, circa 2007: His all-uppercase debut CD, "DAUGHTRY," just surpassed Norah Jones's "Not Too Late" as the year's best-selling title, according to Nielsen SoundScan.

The album has sold 1.4 million copies this year and 2.5 million overall since its November release. from a May 26 J. du Lac Washington Post article review of him live.

Ugh.

Those airplay singles that hit #1 were purchasable as tracks on albums, though, even if they didn't have an accompanying CD single.

Anyway, as predicted, Rihanna claims the top spot with "Umbrella." More surprisingly, however, "Party Like a Rockstar" soars from #51 to #2, forcing Maroon 5 and T-Pain down to #3 and #4, respectively. JT inches closer to the top as well, hitting #6 this week. Fergie's "Big Girls Don't Cry" rockets into the top 10 as well, from #21 to #8. And somehow, Kelly Clarkson's "Never Again" rebounds; after a week where it slipped to #17, it's now #9.

Outside the top 10, the American Idols debut at #15 (Jordin Sparks) at #18 (Blake Lewis). After the instant #1s of "Inside Your Heaven" and "Do I Make You Proud," this has got to be seen as disappointing, right? The third highest debut this week is T.I.'s "Big Shit (er, I mean "Things") Poppin'," which comes in at #30. And Smashing Pumpkins come in at #54, only their seventh single to hit the Hot 100 and their first since 1998's "Perfect."

I know I'll eventually get dead sick of "Party Like A Rock Star", but nothing else on the radio at this moment makes me drive recklessly like that one.

Is "only their seventh" surprising? That sounds about right to me. If anything, I would've expected SP to have fewer singles on the big chart (although now that I look which ones they were, I'm surprised that includes nothing from Siamese Dream). (xpost)

What's the record for American Idol alumni singles on the Hot 100? Looks like there's 6 in the top 50 alone right now.

You're right that "only their seventh" isn't that surprising, but they do have roughly twice as many singles that have charted elsewhere (mostly in Modern Rock Tracks).

Those airplay singles that hit #1 were purchasable as tracks on albums, though, even if they didn't have an accompanying CD single.

Aaah. Well then, (and be warned, this is pedantic) what about something like "Makes Me Wonder", which had no physical single release and hit number one before the album came out?

I count 7 in the top 50, Alex! (Clarkson, Underwood, 2 Daughtry, Yamin, Sparks, Lewis)

oh right, I missed a Daughty. either way, that's a lot!

#15? Wow, that's terrible. And it's certainly not going to go up.

it doesn't. It sinks to #72 this week. Right behind it though at #73 is the best track from B'Day - "Get Me Bodied." Including "Listen" and "Beautiful Liar," that's 7 B'Day tracks that have charted on the Hot 100. I'm not even counting "Check On It" even though it's on my copy of B'Day.

In other news top 5 unchanged - Rihanna feat. Jay-Z, Party Like A Rockstar, T-Pain, Fergie's awful new song & Maroon 5. Hey There Delilah's "Plain White T's" moves up 10 to #6. But the real story is Amy Winehouse's massive leap from #48 to #10, thus being the most successful British export this year. "You Know I'm No Good" also reenters at #78. Everybody's favourite Lil Mama is also a reentry at #12 with "Lip Gloss" after causing a minor blip at #95 2 weeks ago. Teenpop extravaganza continues with Hannah Montana as highest new entry at #28 and Rihanna's possible future number 1 "Shut Up And Drive" at #88.

Strangely "Young Folks" threatens the Hot 100 as it is #12 in the bubbling under.

Just edging out Rihanna and Paul MacMartney in the albums chart is T-Pain, while his song while Akon "Bartender" moves up 75 spots to #22.

Paul McCartney obvs.

I dread when "Beautiful Girls" gets released and goes to n. one.

Ouch!

1 Miley Cyrus - Hannah Montana 2 (Soundtrack)/Meet Miley Cyrus
2 Kelly Clarkson - My December

Of course. Only people under ten or over 40 buy records.

I posted this on the teenpop thread, but it's relevant here:

So, "Hey There Delilah" jumps to number one on the Hot 100, a song I hate but at least it's a different type of song than your typical number one. The first emo song to hit number one? Depends if "Girlfriend" counts or not. Anyways, I thought this tidbit from BB.com was interesting/relevant: ""Delilah" is also Hollywood Records' first-ever No. 1 on the Hot 100." So congrats to the Diz.

Elsewhere, "Potential Break Up Song" leaps to number 23 on the charts, fairly impressive. Frank (or anybody else), is it getting any airplay? Their album only debuts at #15 though (thanks in part to my purchase!), a bit disappointing to me given that Hannah Montana is still at #3. KC is holding at #5.

Any "Hey There Delilah" opinions of note on here?

I have yet to hear "Potential Breakup Song" on the radio, and I listen quite often. I did hear Tiffany Evans' "Promise Ring" the other day.

Tiffany Evans' "Promise Ring"

Is that the one with Ciara? I remember that song freaking me out a little. Too much prude-pop.

I cannot define emo but I don't think that Hey There Delilah would qualify. It's quite a nice song...I'm just happy that Rhianna has finally been displaced from number one. I don't know what's with the mid-tempo R&B tracks dominating the #1 spot for weeks and weeks lately.

I'm hoping this means more emo bands will write love ballads. LOVE ballads, not "it's your fault I cheated" ballads.

as far as the quality of the song, I abstain from critical judgement because I'm currently in a long-distance relationship with a NYC resident whose name shares two of the same syllables as the song subject. I can't be trusted.

It's definitely better than their earlier attempt at a hit, "Hate Is A Strong Word (I Really Don't Like You)," though.

is there a more irrelevant group of people in popular music than the four dudes in Plain White T's that aren't the singer?

Not since the dudes in Extreme that aren't the singer and the guitarist.

in terms of the song's merit, i like it more now because of the whole self-fulfilling prophecy angle.

Oh! And Bucky Covington's debut single climbs into the top 10 of the country charts, which makes him the third (?) AI contestant to reach top 10 country. Though, Pickler did have some success on the charts (just not a top 10 hit) and the Kelly/Reba duet seems poised to make it 4. "Lost In This Moment" holds at number one, with Keith Urban or Kenny Chesney looking poised to bump em soon. And, to be honest, it's not a very good song (The Urban one is much better, never heard the Chesney one) so good riddance.

Wait, there's five people in Plain White T's? Yet I only hear what, 2 instruments? That means when they inevitably play this song on Leno (if they haven't already), three of them just stand around?

For some reason, "Hey There Delilah" is the most irritating thing on the radio to me right now.

I reviewed their indie Hey There Delilah EP a year ago and the original album that song appeared on is two and a half years old. It's basically the song that won't die, and I've been praying that it wouldn't become a mainstream hit since the first time I heard it. Fuck, even Green Day had a bunch of uptempo hits before they made "Good Riddance (Time Of Your Life)."

I do kind of like "Hate (I Really Don't Like You)," though I can't tell if it's funny on purpose.

"chicago-area" rock bands blow

I'm sure there's a good rebuttal for that (Smashing Pumpkins?), but yeah, it seems like an ungodly amount of shitty emo bands have come out of Illinois suburbs.

God, that LOVE!loveloveloveLOVE! hook on "Hate" breaks the geneva convention.

Oh come on, Fall Out Boy isn't *that* bad. But in general, I agree with the statement.

Let me be the first one to predict that "Beautiful Girls" rockets to #1 next week.

I actually don't mind "Hey There, Delilah". I wouldn't say I like it per se, but it has a very reassuring, lullaby-like quality to it.

At this point, I'd rather hear it than "Umbrella", at any rate.

Bit story is that new HSM2 single debuts at #6, 2 slots below the peak of "Breaking Free" from the original HSM. Unfortunately, "Breaking Free" was great and "What Time Is It" is, er, not. But "Potential Break Up Song" actually rises (on the Billboard Hot 100, can't quite crack the Hannah bloc on RD)! Top 20 hit. "Shut Up and Drive" continues slow climb to top, Elliott Yamin and Sean Kingston seem to have plateaud out though. Carrie Underwood keeps tumbling down; a shame, as I was hoping it'd hit 60 weeks. Nickelback's "Rockstar" apparently can't make the climb up the charts, it remains stalled at 24 (in it's 24th week on the charts). Airplay gainer is "Shawty" by Plies, a song I've never heard of by an artist I've never heard of. Akon makes a top 10 debut with the least believable apology song ever. "First Time" by Lifehouse enters the top 40, and will probably ultimately climb to the top 10. Can Fergie or Timbo topple Plain White T's next week?

Akon/T-Pain's continued dominance of the charts continues to amaze me.

When I said "Beautiful Girls" would be #1 this week, I think I meant next week. Or the week after. Whenever sales figures from his album (released on the 31st) are counted. There's no way that that song peaked at #17.

You could be right JayMC but the song is already available on iTunes, isn't it? Maybe just wishful thinking on my part.

Beautiful Girls doesn't seem like a number one, but then again it seems like it'd hit higher than 17.

I believe it was just released on iTunes this week, so it'll probably leap up to at least the top 5 on next week's Hot 100.(xp)

It seems like a touchstone of sorts.

It's listed as DIGITAL in the top 100 countdown. Anyways, just self-delete the comment I wrote about Sean Kingston then. My bad.

Week of 8/11:

As predicted earlier here (but not by me, I am WRONG!), "Beautiful Girls" makes the leap to number one. Jumping from 23 to 1 at one time would be a remarkable accomplishment but it's rather ho-hum now. Most of the rest of the top 10 just slides down accordingly, but T-Pain continues his baffling domination of the Hot 100 as "Bartender" climbs to 6. Elliott Yamin continues its climb to top 10, he climbs to a new peak at #14. I really hope "Shut Up and Drive" has just a one week hiccup, as I love that song. It's at #16. Yung Berg jumps to #18, and Carrie Underwood has a shocking bounce-back to #19. Aly & AJ tumble. Kanye West's "Stronger" is hot shot debut at #47. A boring chart week.

Top 5 for albums is Now!, Hairspray, Prince, Hannah Montana, and T.I. Billy Ray Cyrus can only manage a #20 debut. Tegan and Sara debut at #34.

I'm still kind of in disbelief that that Yung Berg song is now a hit. MTV Jams played the video for MONTHS before radio would even touch it, and I'd just sit there horrified at this annoying little guy with a pubestache whose grill gives him a lisp like a 12-year-old with braces, "I THWEAR THITH ALBUM ITH CRAZTHY," along with some guy called 'Junior' whose head appears to be 33% teeth, 33% oversized sunglasses and 33% fauxhawk shouting the chorus. I was really taking joy in his apparent failure so it breaks my heart to see him become moderately successful.

AiB otm. "sexy lady" is the most egregiously bad one hook chart phenomenon of the year.
though w/r/t his "moderate success," we can take solace in the fact that he's going to be a classic nu-rapper case, i.e. a guy who has to move back into mom's place after 12-16 months of being able to make it rain.
(his label rushed out an EP! they couldn't even scrape enough tracks for an album!!)

i swear this EP is crazy!

in a good way???

haha no i was just saying he should change that ad lib.

predictably the only person I've seen say anything positive about "Sexy Lady" is Kogan.

as someone who vigorously defends "party like a rockstar" and "pop lock and drop it" and t-pain et al, "sexy lady" makes me feel really guilty in a "have i helped aid and abet this disaster" kinda way.

Took a couple weeks off due to the boringness of the charts, so let's have a looksee what's happened:

"Big Girls Don't Cry" jumps to #1, giving Fergie THREE number ones (and one number 2!) off of her album, like Justin Timberlake. It took 19 weeks to get there, which strikes me the slowest climb to #1 in a while, though maybe some chart expert can set me straight. Soulja Boy sits at #2 with the imaginatively titled "Crank That (Soulja Boy)" & seems primed to take over #1. Kanye West's Daft Punk sampling "Stronger" sits at number 3, and Timbaland/Sean Kingston close out the top 5.

Outside the top 5, Plies jumps to the top 10, J Holiday's "Bed" is airplay gainer, High School Musical tracks keep charting, Aly & AJ have an unexpected rebound, "Sorry, Blame It On Me" is climbing back up, "Shut Up and Drive" seems to have peaked. "Before He Cheats" holding strong at #30, 52 weeks in.

Steady Climbers: "The Great Escape", "Rockstar", "Wait for You", "Who Knew", "Lovestoned", "When You're Gone", "First Time"

#1's outside the top 100: Country: Rodney Atkins - "These Are My People", Modern Rock: Foo Fighters - "The Pretender", Club Play: Rihanna - "Don't Stop the Music"

Album charts aren't updated yet, but I'm predicting here and now that High School Musical 2 holds its lead on the "Top Soundtracks" chart.

What say you, ILM?

So weird that two of the big climbers right now were first released as singles well over a year ago. "Rockstar" was Nickelback's rock radio single back when "Far Away" was their VH1/pop radio single, and now 2 or 3 singles later they finally shot a video for it and it's about to go top 10. "Who Knew" was the 2nd single from Pink's album and it barely grazed the Hot 100 (I think its initial peak was 98 or 99), but after the sleeper success of "U + Ur Hand" I guess she/her label are giving it another shot, either because they really believe in the song or there just aren't any other single-worthy songs left to work from her album. I personally loved "Who Knew," it was one of my favorite singles of last year, so now I'm conflicted about whether I want to start putting it on my '07 singles list, too.

Wow, I'm really surprised about "Big Girls": I thought that had lost a lot of momentum, even though it was still hanging around the top 5 for weeks.

I guess it just had to wait for "Beautiful Girls" to cool off, but yeah, I definitely would have predicted "Crank That" or "Stronger" to take it next based on last week's iTunes charts.

It took 19 weeks to get there, which strikes me the slowest climb to #1 in a while, though maybe some chart expert can set me straight.

This interested me, so I just spent a long time trying to figure out the answer, which means that you're right: it's been a while. Specifically, since January 2004, when OutKast's "The Way You Move" hit #1 after 21 weeks on the chart.

Other songs since then that have taken 15 weeks or more to hit the top spot: "You're Beautiful" (18 weeks), "Hey There Delilah" (16 weeks), "Laffy Taffy" (16 weeks), "So Sick" (15 weeks), "Slow Motion" (15 weeks).

Wasn't "Hey There Delilah" first released in, like, 1996?

Also, why have I never seen this before? So awesome.

xpost Yes, Dom, I believe it was a Verve Pipe b-side.

I think the big factors in most of those songs' long climbs is that it's either the artist's first or only big hit (Ne-Yo, Plain White T's, D4L, James Blunt), so it takes a while just for the artist to gain awareness and get airplay traction. With Fergie and Juvenile, those songs were the 3rd or 4th singles near the end of their albums' promotional cycles, so they kept building and building with no follow-up to come knock them off the charts. And with "The Way You Move," it was released concurrently with "Hey Ya!", and the latter hit big first while the other more gradually crossed over.

xpost: I reviewed a <i>Hey Delilah EP</i> in 2006, and I believe the album it first appeared on was released in 2005.

I know with "So Sick", it wasn't released digitally until the album came out, and had spent several months charting on airplay alone, reaching up to about #30 or so on airplay alone before leaping straight to #1, whereas with the others, their digital singles were available as they peaked.

"Bed" sounds like everything thats been on the radio lately all mashed together.

If you'd told me a few months ago that there'd be more songs on the radio that sound like Ciara's "Promise," I would've been excited, but "Bed" is terrible.

For the truly curious (weeks to reach #1, for the rest of the #1s from 2004-present):

(14)
Chris Brown, "Run It!"
Chamillionaire, "Ridin'"
Nelly Furtado, "Say It Right"

(13)
Usher, "Confessions Part II"

(12)
Beyonce, "Check On It"
Ciara, "Goodies"
Rihanna, "S.O.S."
Shakira, "Hips Don't Lie"
Twista, "Slow Jamz"

(11)
Mariah Carey, "Don't Forget About Us"
Mario, "Let Me Love You"
Sean Paul, "Temperature"
Snoop Dogg, "Drop It Like It's Hot"
T-Pain, "Buy U a Drank"
Justin Timberlake, "What Goes Around"
Usher, "Burn"

(10)
Akon, "Don't Matter"
Sean Kingston, "Beautiful Girls"
Ludacris, "Money Maker"
Nelly, "Grillz"

(9)
Fergie, "Glamorous"
Terror Squad, "Lean Back"
Timbaland, "Give It to Me"

(8)
Akon, "I Wanna Love You"
Mariah Carey, "We Belong Together"
Nelly Furtado, "Promiscuous"
Avril Lavigne, "Girlfriend"
Justin Timberlake, "My Love"
Justin Timberlake, "SexyBack"
Usher, "My Boo"
Usher, "Yeah!"
Kanye West, "Gold Digger"

(7)
Beyonce, "Irreplaceable"
Daniel Powter, "Bad Day"

(6)
Mims, "This Is Why I'm Hot"
Rihanna, "Umbrella"
Gwen Stefani, "Hollaback Girl"

(5)
50 Cent, "Candy Shop"

(3)
Fergie, "London Bridge"
Maroon 5, "Makes Me Wonder"

(1)
Fantasia, "I Believe"
Taylor Hicks, "Do I Make You Proud"
Carrie Underwood, "Inside Your Heaven"

The MIMS baffles me. Alex in Baltimore seems right that an artist's first big hit takes slower to go to number one, but MIMS just jumped to the top straight away. Really weird.

I think "This Is Why I'm Hot" was on R&B/hip hop and heatseekers-type charts for a while before it got on the Hot 100, so its ascendance probably wasn't as fast as those figures make it seem.

Thanks for the great link way up there jaymc. It's nice to have all that. The most eye-catching thing for me was this from the Drop Outs list:
Chris Brown - Wall To Wall, last week: 89, peak: 79, wks on: 9

WOW! Only up to 79. I didn't think it had done THAT poorly. This really is setting itself up to be one of the more monumental sophomore flops.

ugh, Grillz was a #1???

Chamillionaire, "Ridin'"
Nelly Furtado, "Say It Right"
Mario, "Let Me Love You"
Sean Paul, "Temperature"
Snoop Dogg, "Drop It Like It's Hot"
Usher, "Burn"
Nelly, "Grillz"
Fergie, "Glamorous"
Terror Squad, "Lean Back"
Mariah Carey, "We Belong Together"
Nelly Furtado, "Promiscuous"
Justin Timberlake, "My Love"
Usher, "Yeah!"
Mims, "This Is Why I'm Hot"

What about them, Ethan?

"Wall To Wall" is a shitty song, but only marginally more shitty than most of the Chris Brown songs that were big hits. It probably would've climbed way higher if the label had stuck with it and released it to iTunes, but they've already abandoned it to start pushing "Kiss Kiss" featuring chart magnet T-Pain.

those are my favorites

It's funny they would choose to jump ship so quickly considering the portion of a video I saw for "Wall to Wall" the other day looked like it was in the "Scream" ballpark in terms of budget (old reference, and it's prolly cheaper to make such a video now, but the point is the video looked hella expensive for them to just abandon it).

"kiss kiss" is ghastly.

Wow, Feist's "1, 2, 3, 4" is #28, all supposedly on the strength of the iPod TV commercial. Am I crazy, or didn't she have another song from The Reminder in a commercial earlier this year? Why is this the one that's putting her in the Top 40?

Maybe I'm thinking of this?

You're seriously asking why a song in an iPod ad drives the song up the charts more than a song in just about any other ad?

In theory I agree with you Alex, but honestly I'm a bit wowed by the rise 28 myself. I mean is it getting ANY airplay? Certainly not around my parts. And besides that, I would've thought the "cool song featured in iPod ad gets lots of attention" phenomenon would've tailed of by now.

soundtracking an ipod commercial= "airplay"

also there was a great column on idolator about us charts today that i don't feel like linking an it basically showed that (for the most part) digital sales get songs to the top and radio play just keeps them there for months, so expect this to drop off in a few weeks.

Also remarkable: JT's "Until the End of Time" was a black radio hit and is now a few steps from entering the Top 40, as "LoveStoned" keeps climbing.

What is the deal with Canadian music?

Good and very true point about commercial = "airplay" Jordan. I'm still enjoying the fact that the iPod commercial song has been the number one download on the newly-launched Amazon MP3 store.

re: JT's "Until the End of Time"

Yes. I've been hearing it on the R&B station non-stop for a solid month and wondered where it was on the Hot 100.

isn't there a remix w/ mary j. on it now?

is the original any good?

There's also been a little Feist square on the iTunes home page (with a still of the video that's very recognizable if you've seen the commercial) since the ad started airing, and front page real estate in the iTunes store has had a demonstrable effect on digital sales even without a song being in a TV commercial.

The "Until The End Of Time" remix is with Beyonce. I'm thinking that's the version that's going to get a big push maybe with a video now, presumably for a re-release of Justin's album. And the original is great, easily my 2nd favorite single off the album after "My Love."

all the post-"my love" singles sounded better to me before they were singles.

now when if i have the option of listening to "lovestoned" or like half the other songs on the top 40 i usually don't pick "lovestoned"

someone tell me about this j. holiday song. is it more like an usher single or a ne-yo single? is it good?

all the post-"my love" singles sounded better to me before they were singles.

This was true for every single except "Summer Love," which on the album is a third-tier song at best but really sounds great on the radio.

yeah the synths are great on that song. also it's cheesy but i liked hearing that on the radio this summer.

someone tell me about this j. holiday song. is it more like an usher single or a ne-yo single? is it good?

Why don't you just listen to it? :|

Anyway, "Until the End of Time" is definitely my fave of the JT singles. I'm glad for the Beyoncé remix because his voice is really awful and whiny on it (moreso than usual)...

So, I'm pretty sure "Gimme More" is going to jump into the Top 10 next week since it's #1 on iTunes, top 20 w/ a huge bullet on Top 40, and gaining a lot on Rhythmic.

all the post-"my love" singles sounded better to me before they were singles.

This was true for every single except "Summer Love," which on the album is a third-tier song at best but really sounds great on the radio.

Money.

i dont know how anyone could listen to that record and think summer love was 3rd tier in the first place

I thought and still do think that song is absolute crap, but then I'm not much of a fan of the album overall.

There's also been a little Feist square on the iTunes home page (with a still of the video that's very recognizable if you've seen the commercial) since the ad started airing, and front page real estate in the iTunes store has had a demonstrable effect on digital sales even without a song being in a TV commercial.

OK, this makes more sense. I know iPod ads have a little more cache with a the mp3-downloading demographic than other TV commercials, but it still stuck me as notable. My question is whether radio programmers will notice the song's popularity and add it to their playlists. I could see it doing well in a Hot AC format.

Al, admit it, you basically started writing for the Stylus Singles Jukebox to temper all the Timberlake enthusiasm.

Al, admit it, you basically started writing for the Stylus Singles Jukebox to temper all the Timberlake enthusiasm.

-- jaymc, Friday, September 28, 2007 12:52 PM (59 seconds ago) Bookmark Link

it should be picked up on top 40 radio, too, since a. its top 40 and b. i don't think the 40+ soccer mom crowd drove it to #3 on itunes.

both jaymc and deej are correct.

although I gave "Until The End Of Time" an 8!

xxp I guess, I'm just having a hard time hearing it on the two Top 40 stations I listen to in Chicago, but both of those lean pretty "rhythmic."

Also, I don't think that Hot AC is exclusively for 40+ soccer moms. They play, like, Fall Out Boy, too.

OK, here's who's playing "1, 2, 3, 4" (only three stations, apparently):

KMXP-Phoenix: Hot AC (#14 on their playlist)
KXRV-Salt Lake City: AAA (#27)
WXKS-Boston: Top 40 (#60)

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Oh wait, that's only stations that have recently played the song.

Playin my position, hot Nixon
This one, for all the sick ones, confliction
Posionous darts sickening, best believe
finger itchin with two broke legs, now I'm trippin
on MC's cliche, shot that ricochets
start trouble bust bubbles, hip to wicked ways
Gotta love me, G-O-D no one above me
Look good but fuck ugly, tap your jaw
from my Punch Buggy sunnin you
Got you shittin in your last Huggie, runnin who?
Fuckin punk, get a speed bump comin through
A single shot make your knees knock, respect Wu

Aiyyo I put it on a nigga, shit it on a nigga
Turnin Christian to a certified sinner
The bomb I release, time pent up (explodes)
While you got set up I was hittin your ex hoe
Shit I kept low, petro' your metro
Politic, keep the chickenheads gobblin
Shit I'm drivin in, come with funk halogen
Terrorize your city, from the spliff committee
Kick ass till both Timberlands turn shitty
Gritty, smack the driver's head in the chin see
When I approach rappers be takin notes
I drop like I shoulda invented the raincoat
Absolut, I love to burn to the roots
I keep comin til your pour sperm from your boots
Vigilante hardcore to the penis
Tell you fuck you my attitude is anemic

I'm the illest nigga alive, watch me prove it
I snatch your crown witcha head still attatched to it
Canibus is the type who'll fight for mics
Beatin niggaz to death and beatin dead niggaz to life
When you look at me long enough, I start to read your thoughts
if the signal was strong enough, and then I'll call your bluff
like, "Yo, how many rhymes you got?" I think I'll go on
for more Milleniums than Mazda's got on the car lot
And there's nowhere to run ta, when I confront ya
Nigga, I call your bluff like you had a phone number
Who wanna see Canibus get wild, who wanna act fly and
get shot down with a surface-to-air missile
I take em on in all shapes sizes and forms and spit on
anybody who ain't close enough to shit on
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when I'm blunted and I give it to any nigga that want it

Stay out the dark, cause if I catch you when the sun is down
Run it clown, come up off that, or I'm gon' gun it down
When in doubt, however skull goes, it's gon' be that
See that, that shit'll finish you dawg, believe that
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than receive, believe what I say when I tell you
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You knew it was wrong, but you asked for it baby
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so I can hit you up on front teeth, you think I'm sweet?
Want heat? One deep, leave him behind, front seat

When young sons fantasize of borrowing flows
tell little shorty with the big mouth the bank is closed (yeah, word up)
The symbol on my arm is off limits to challengers
You hold the rusty swords I swing the Excalibur
How dare you step up in my dimension
Your little ass should be somewher cryin on detention
Watch your mouth better yet hold your tongue
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Blow you to pieces, leave you covered in feces
with one thesis ("LL Cool J is hard")
Every little boy wanna pick up the mic
and try to run with the big boys and live up to the real hype
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Swingin at Ken Griffey or challengin Roy to a fight
Snappin, you ameteur MC's
Don't you know I'm like the Dream Team tourin overseas
For rappers in my circle I'm a deadly disease
Ringmaster, bringin a tiger cub to his knees (uhh)
In the history of rap they've never seen such prominence
Your naive confidence gets crushed by my dominance (word up)
Now let's get back to this mic on my arm
If it ever left my side it'd transform into a time bomb
You don't wanna borrow that, you wanna idolize
And you don't wanna make me mad nigga you wanna socalize
And I'm daring every MC in the game
to play yourself out position, and mention my name
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Go platinum for every time your grimy ass was on the train
Watch your mouth don't ever step out of line
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"Gimme More" = #3 on the Hot 100, Britney's highest charting single since "...Baby, One More Time".

Wait, so "...Baby, One More Time" was her only #1 then? I never would've guessed that. I guess with N'Sync, 98 Degrees, Backstreet Boys, etc all vying for the top spot at the beginning of her recording career, it was harder for her to actually hit number one. Without looking at the charts it seems like at least "You Drive Me Crazy", "Oops I Did It Again", "Stronger", and "Not A Girl..." were all over the place. Musta been harder to hit the top without the current possibility of having one huge digital sales weeks to rocket you up for at least one week.

Yeah, "Oops," "You Drive Me Crazy," and "Toxic" peaked in the lower reaches of the Top Ten.

n'sync only had one #1.

backstreet had 0.

if we're talking about hot 100.

Britney Spears' chart run in the US has been surprisingly unremarkable (for her). Her albums have always been huge in the US though, which I suppose is what matters.

Her Billboard single history:

1
21
10
14
9
23
11
112
27
85
102
109
35
9
15
79
101
100
3

Her UK history:

1
3
5
1
1
5
7
12
4
4
2
13
7
2
1
1
3
6

World Chart history:

1
5
1
1
1
2
3
10
5
6
6
37
19
1
1
1
4
13

That is incredibly unremarkable considering her level of stardom. And the 'NSync and Backstreet Boys numbers are mind boggling too. I'm off to see what in the world was number one in 1998 and 1999 cause my memory-based predictions are clearly way off.

yeah, I've always noticed that counter to conventional wisdom, the big boy bands and other big pop artists of that era like Britney are more album artists than single artists, at least in terms of sales and chart positions (admittedly, this probably has a lot to do with the fact that major labels barely made any physical CD singles available in the U.S. in the late 90's/early 00's, up until iTunes revived the singles sales market).

yeah if itunes was around in the late 90s every backstreet/n'sync/britney song would have gone #1.

Wow, surprisingly (or not) dominated by R&B. Alex and JOrdan undoubtedly OTM.

also, billboard was lagging behind around then. w/r/t backstreet/n'sync/britney's fan base, what was #1 on TRL was probably a much bigger indicator of what was popular among their fanbase than who was where on the hot 100 (counted by physical singles, obv.).

and then, of course, there were the album sales.

If you had asked me a few years ago I could have told you every single TRL chart position she had. "Sometimes" didn't make it to #1 but just about every other video of hers did. IIRC "Stronger" only made it to #1 the day before it retired, thanks to me calling in 1000000 times for her.

I remember when I recently found out that BSB never had a number 1 in the US...before that I would have bet the farm that "I Want It That Way" topped the chart for weeks. Of course, in my middle school yearbook half of my signatures end with "Stay *NSYNC!" or "BSB4EVA" so I was in a bit of a bubble.

Britney, NSync, and Backstreet Boys never release their singles as physical copies, which severely hurt their chart performance. NSync released only one of their songs as a physical single, and that song "It's Gonna Be Me" is uncoincidentally their only #1, despite feeling like their 4th or 5th most popular song.

For comparison, Xtina released all of her singles as physical singles, and she had 3 number ones (and one number 3) off her debut album. I think if they had been released as physical singles that "Oops I Did It Again" and "I Want It That Way" and "Bye Bye Bye" would have done much better.

Also, teen pop music always does better on the album charts than the singles charts (see High School Musical and Hannah Montana today!)

Thanks for reiterating things that have already been said on this thread and trying to steer it into some Rolling Teenpop bullshit.

Also can somebody please explain to me what the hell is the deal with "Crank That (Soulja Boy)". Why is this song good enough to not only go to number one, but to return to number one after being knocked off (which almost never happens these days).

It's more of an interactive multimedia explosion than a song. Kids make up their own dances to it, and their own answer records, and sync up cartoon characters to sing the words, and put it all on YouTube. It wouldn't go so much further than any other snap song if that wasn't the case. Its huge iTunes sales are just a symptom of the phenomenon, not the whole of it.

what's the correlation between being 'good enough' to go number one and actually going number one?

A song being knocked off #1 and then returning usually means its popularity continued unabated the whole time, but something else just momentarily surged ahead of it (last time it happened was when Usher's "Burn" was knocked off by Fantasia's AI coronation single and then came back the next week).

Actually, last time it happened was when "Buy U a Drank" momentarily interrupted Maroon 5's "Makes Me Wonder" earlier this year.

Carrie Underwood AI coronation single also showed up in the middle of the 14-week reign of "We Belong Together."

WOW feist #8 wtf.

Good explanation AiB! Cross format seems the way to go I guess. So the question isn't how "Crank That" surged, but why "Stronger" wasn't able to maintain popularity.

AI Coronation singles were the first things I thought of with returning to number one. Forgot about "Makes Me Wonder".

A few other random thoughts/questions:

15 number ones so far this year already, on pace to beat the 18 from last year. Anybody got a prediction as to what will knock "Crank That" from numer one? "Apologize", maybe?

Is that Colbie Caillat song getting any airplay? Don't think I've heard it, but it's been hanging around up top for long enough that it seems like there must be some airplay.

Guesses on how long Feist can stay in the top ten? A massive dropoff like Lil Mama seems likely at this point. How about Britney Spears? A "Never Again" like run seems most likely to me for that song.

Anybody else surprised that "Wake Up Call" doesn't seem to be catching on?

'gimme more' will probably get 'crank dat' next week. 'the way i are' peaked at #3 so i'd be surprised if 'apologize' got up to number one.

Also' not reiterating what's been said re: BSB/Britney/NSync: The '99/'00 era pretty much represented a peak of massive variety of different types of songs at the top of the charts. Which means, they weren't just competing with each other but with rock, country, rap, dance, etc., which is gonna limit the amount of #1's that can come from any one genre.

I can only speak for myself, but "Wake Up Call" hasn't hooked me at all, and I loved "Makes Me Wonder" and liked most of Maroon 5's previous singles. Really just doesn't sound like a hit to me, although it's a decent song.

Personally, I only gave "Wake Up Call" a 6/10 on the Stylus Jukebox, but I still though it would catch on. n.b. My chart predictions are wrong 99% of the time.

I think "Gimme More" will be the next #1 (unless "Crank That" holds on for another month, which is possible, in which case it'll probably be a song that hasn't hit yet) but then drop off pretty quickly. If you'd asked me a few weeks ago I'd say "Good Life" had good odds of getting to #1, but this week it dropped 5 spots despite being the airplay gainer, so maybe it won't even crack the top 10 after all.

Actually, T-Pain interupted M5, rather than vive versa.

Crank That seems like an odd #1 to me, too. It's exactly the type of song that's been going to #8 all year. I'm not surprised about the semi-failure of "Wake Up Call" at all. It's a decent album track forced out as a single. I haven't even heard it other than of my own volition. I can't see "Gimme More" going any higher, by the time airplay catches up, which I don't think it completely will, it won't be at the type of download mountain anymore. "Good Life", on the other hand, I see getting stronger multi-format airplay and not everyone interested will have d/led it week one, so I can see it reaching into the top ten. I think "Apologize" will go #1. It went straight from #22 to #6. That's some momentum.

Who the hell is Colbie Caillat?

"Who the hell is Colbie Caillat?"

Couldn't tell you but every time I see her tiny face on the Hot 100 page I could swear it's Jennifer Aniston:

http://www.billboard.com/bbcom/images/album_images/cov75/pop/cov75/dri800/i842/i84238panv0.jpg

Colbie Caillat is an American singer, somewhere in her early 20s who was a Myspace superstar then got a record deal. She writes acoustic guitar songs that are very sweet and pretty and boring, but extremely pleasant, and she's got a good warm voice. I've no idea why she's so popular, but I don't mind it at all.

Soulja Boy has had a lot more staying power than I gave it credit for. "Stronger" stays at #2. "Apologize" keeps climbing, does it have the legs? "No One" by Alicia Keys leaps up 4 slots and seems headed to the top. Jennifer Aniston's debut single "Bubbly" keeps climbing, I've even started to hear it on the radio. The rest of the top 10 is pretty boring, and, actually, the same 10 songs as last week with the order slightly shuffled.

"Cyclone" and "Hate That I Love You" have been pretty steady climbers, but not yet hit top 10. Matchbox twenty are falling, after just missing the top 10. Poor Rob Thomas. "Wake Up Call" bounces back, "Lovestoned" seems to have peaked. I had pegged "Lovestoned" to climb a lot higher, and for all I know it still will. Daughtry's "Over You" is climbing, and he's hoping to grab a 3rd top 10 hit from his debut album. "Paralyzer" continues to be a baffling crossover success. And finally, Carrie Underwood improbably bumps up a few slots and will almost certainly secure it's 60th week on the charts next week, if it can avoid falling 8 or more slots.

Kid Rock leads the way on the albums, LeAnn Rimes, Sara Evans, and Josh Groban are also top 10 debuts. High School Musical 2 cannot be killed. And what an embarrassing #44 debut for Vanessa Carlton. That's gotta be a disappointment.

"Lovestoned" seems to have peaked. I had pegged "Lovestoned" to climb a lot higher, and for all I know it still will

Maybe, but now "Until The End of Time" is out and Beyonce's got him.

how the hell do all these singles from the Timbaland album keep jumping into the top 5 before I've even heard them once? (i'd say how the hell do such shitty songs become hits at all, but that's another discussion.) do people just buy the hell out of them on iTunes as soon as they're released?

AiB I've just now started to hear "Apologize" being played on the local top 40 station, and yeah it seems like the digital sales come way before the airplay on those. I guess everyone's just in love with Timbaland now.

"Apologize" has been in hot rotation on the T40 here for a couple months.

The one I haven't heard other than of my own volition is the A. Keys song. (which is fine, as it's rather ugh)

I guess I should say I like "Paralyzer" well enough. "Take Me Out" with frat-dude vocals isn't really any worse a prospect than "Take Me Out" with indie-boy vocals.

Anybody have any strong rooting interests on the charts right now? Rooting for particular songs to succeed or fail?

I'm rooting hard for the new Daughtry song not to make the top 10, and for Timbaland not to hit #1. Biggest positive rooting interests for me are "Bubbly" and "Hate That I Love You".

Rooting plays a huge part of my interest in the charts. My interest in the charts is almost entirely emotional rather than scientific. In general I root for fast turnover in the top of the charts and the top 10 and I root for the songs that I love to be really successful.

Anybody have any thoughts?

i was rooting for 'gimme more' to go #1 and i'd like to see 'good life' make a move up. haven't heard it on the radio yet.

any guesses as to why 'bubbly' is getting radio play after it's big ascent up but '1, 2, 3, 4' didn't? i've started to hear 'bubbly' on top 40 in the middle of soulja boy->fabolous->boys like girls type blocs.

Sometimes I do that, but there's nothing worth getting excited over on the climb right now. The closest I can come are "Apologize", "Good Life", "Paralyzer", & "Celebrity Chick". I'm reserving further judgment on "Until the End of Time" until I hear the duet version. My recent chart hopes "Misery Business", "Lovestoned", "I Got It From My Mama" & "Dancefloor Anthem" all seem to have stalled out.

that baby bash song is awful.

can we all buy "hood figga" on itunes to push gorilla zoe into the top 40?

Oh, "Freaky Gurl" is a chart hope. Haven't heard "Hood Figga".

whaaa? also lol @ "duffle bag boy"

Feist and Cubby Colgatecat or whoever are all cheesy MOR bullshit to me and even I can tell the difference enough to know it's pretty obvious one is destined for a 6 month reign on VH1 and the other is an iTunes-assisted chart blip.

"Good Life" is the only song I like more than a little (I like "Crank That" too, but just a little), so you could say I'm rooting for everything there to drop ASAP and be replaced by something hopefully at least a little better. The only songs I really like on the chart right now are ones that are either on their way down, or are never going to get within spitting distance of the top 10, so I'm not left with much to root for (although I definitely do root sometimes).

why lol @ "Duffle Bag Boy"? I mean it's about man purses but it's probably my favorite song on the chart right now.

the dude in playaz circle last night that was wearing that scarf w/ that messenger bag looked like some tragic extra from 'bourne supremacy'

i like "duffle bag boy" a decent amount, but i can't pretend like i didn't o_O a few weeks ago when i saw it in the top 40.

stuff I'd like to see blow up that hasn't really cracked the big chart yet:
T-Pain f/ Shawnna “Backseat Action”
Crime Mob "Circles"
Avril Lavigne "Hot"
Mary J. Blige "Just Fine"
Hurricane Chris - "Hand Clap"

MJBOTM

T-Pain f/ Shawnna “Backseat Action”
Crime Mob "Circles"

best songs on each album.

I've heard the Crime Mob song as part of their (kind of boring) album, but I can't remember what it sounds like.

Oh, and as should be obvious by reading my recaps, my biggest rooting interest now is for "Before He Cheats" to remain on the charts as long as possible and hopefully even beat out Jewel/LeAnn Rimes (can't actually remember right now which had a longer chart run), though I guess that's not too likely.

I'm really annoyed at how sluggish T-Pain's label has been to release a 3rd single, "Backseat Action" and "Church" are both great and it would seem silly for his album to stall at 2 hits when he's featured on a dozen other people's singles.

yeah AiB the main problem with the Hot 100 this year is NOT ENOUGH T-PAIN.

i'd like to see "tipsy" as a single.

haha greg. songs are awesome tho.

no the problem is that boring songs he did hooks on like "Shawty" and "Cyclone" are way bigger than his best solo stuff (xpost)

t-pain's hook on "shawty" is my fav. thing from this year.

during plies' preformance last night on the BET awards pre-show dj khaled was putting his mic into the crowd to rap the verses, except the crowd there was all 14 yr olds and it was pretty cringe worthy to hear a 14 yr old girl say "show you what a real goon right"

"show you what a real goon like"*

O_o "Shawty" makes me want to impale people, namely Plies.

The only songs T-Pain's guested on this year that have been as good as his own stuff are "Good Life" and "I'm a Flirt".

i thought it was really o_O that they were using "goon" to replace "n*gga" in "shawty" until last night when i saw plies' chain that says "GOON"

also t-pain has the best verse on "i'm a flirt" by a mile.

I hope Wal-Mart carries the new Nas album under the title Goon.

snooG4efiL

I fucked that up.

efiL4snooG

There's something about the way plies screamgrowls (well everything but in particular) "goon" that just doesn't sit right with me. He raps like he doesn't hear well.

There's something about the way plies screamgrowls (well everything but in particular) "first time I seen her, told her I'd pay for it" that just doesn't sit right with me.

yeah I think Plies has a really unpleasant voice in a way that goes far beyond just being a Southern rapper with a thick drawl.

Oh, and as should be obvious by reading my recaps, my biggest rooting interest now is for "Before He Cheats" to remain on the charts as long as possible and hopefully even beat out Jewel/LeAnn Rimes (can't actually remember right now which had a longer chart run), though I guess that's not too likely.

I've been rooting for this as well.

It looks like it's the 5th-longest right now. Lifehouse's "You and Me" and "Macarena" are also ahead of it.

"You and Me" is the real baffler on the longest running songs list. Each of the other songs has an understandable explanation for its lengthy run: Jewel was a 2-sided single and each side had separate lengthy chart runs. LeAnn Rimes & Carrie Underwood had a long run and a lot of success on country radio, followed by a separate long run and success on pop radio. "Macarena" had 2 completely separate chart runs, doing decently on its own, then being remixed by the Bayside Boys and turning into an internation smash. But why "You and Me"?

rock ballads have a tendency to stick on adult contemporary radio for FOREVER (hence "Breakaway" having one of the longer runs as well), those stations are infamous for their sluggish playlist changes.

The Killers score the week's top debut with a cover of Joy Division's "Shadowplay" at No. 68.

Random: Does anybody know why Soulja Boy is listed as Soulja Boy Tell'em. Is that the name he actually goes by? I've never heard it used anywhere else.

There's another Soulja Boy on the Trill Ent. album w/ Lil Boosie and Webbie, maybe he had rights to the name first so the "Crank That" one had to come up with a slight alteration to his name.

Who was it that linked to a Billboard.biz page where you could see the entirety of the Hot 100, not just the top 50? It must've been on another thread, but I'm guessing it was one of you guys.

Actually, never mind, acharts.us updates faster than I thought.

Anyway, new #1 this week! Chris Brown. Haven't even heard it yet.

What an incredibly boring chart week. Nothing even to comment on really. Apart from "Before He Cheats", the biggest question mark to me is how high "Clumsy" can climb. It's already the 5th top 20 hit from this album, and all 4 of the other hits went to at least #2. Weird to have so many huge hits from one album these days.

i don't think it's weird to have several big hits from one album now, any more than it would've been in the past. the weird part is that Fergie's singles are consistently doing killer business as much as Timberlake and in some cases better than other superstars at the peak of their popularity, without Fergie or her album really seeming elevated to blockbuster status by it. her whole career feels to everyone like a fluke that just keeps happening, over and over.

The interesting things to me right now are: Finger Eleven's slow burn with "Paralyzer" (which is better than it was when it was "Youth Gone Wild"), and Good Charlotte's being spared technical One-Hit Wonder status now with that song I haven't heard yet.

i'm confused on several levels by your last statement. I didn't know Good Charlotte's new single was doing well at all (who's playing it, pop radio? i haven't heard it on alt-rock stations at all), and I don't understand how GC would ever have had one hit wonder status, they had something like 5 consecutive singles that were almost almost equally popular.

Strict definition of "One-Hit Wonder" as Top 40 status: unless I missed something, "Lifestyles of the Rich and Famous" was the only one of their singles to make the Top 40 until now.

Per AMG:

Lifstyles: #20
Girls and Boys: #48
The Anthem: #43
Hold On: #63
I Just Wanna Live: #51
and now, I Don't Wanna Be in Love (Dance Floor Anthem): #39 and rising

You did miss something, "The River" just barely cracked the top 40 earlier this year, before "Dance Floor Anthem." And I'm always wary of the whole strict top 40 definition of a 'hit,' especially with rock bands. For instance, "The River" charted well on the Hot 100, I think mainly from iTunes sales, but was just a blip on modern rock radio compared to several of their earlier singles that were radio staples but never went top 40.

good charlotte's presence stretches far, far wider than top 40. they were one of the biggest bands in the history of trl when being huge on trl still genuinely mattered. matter of fact, they were one of the biggest presences on mtv in the early 2000s, which i guess is about the last time mtv let bands be huge presences on their network.

you think they were huge on TRL, try living less than an hour from Waldorf at the height of their popularity.

for a fleeting moment, they were Maryland's retarded Bon Jovi

I think "I Don't Wanna Be In Love" is rather awesome. (not quite as killer as "Keep Your Hands Off My Girl", but still...) That weird intro manages to catch me off-guard every time.

does ANYONE like the newish clarkson single? i love how raspy her voice is and how restrained the chorus stays until the end of the song.

By newish Clarkson single do you mean "Never Again"? I like the song a lot, particularly the bridge. The lyrics were a bit disappointing, but they have a few nice lines. I really enjoyed the entire Clarkson album overall, in fact.

WOWWOWWOW @ this Flo-Rida/T-Pain song being #1 on itunes! how have people even heard of this song!?

it isn't very good.

Wau. I've only heard it once and that was on the xxl website, but then again, I am dork.

it isn't very good.

-- J0rdan S., Monday, November 12, 2007 4:13 PM (Monday, November 12, 2007 4:13 PM) Bookmark Link

Can we discuss T-Pain's run as guaranteed-top-10 collaborator. Are there more instances of this in the past that come to mind. I mean his teaming with anyone, even folks like Kanye and Chris Brown who some might say wouldn't "need" his name to go top 10 (this point debatable with the new sophomore-slumped Chris Brown), seems to be the go-to way to get to the upper reaches of charts. I'm gonna assume that the Flo-Rida will go top 10 this week and it's probably a safe bet to assume the Kanye, Chris Brown, and Baby Bash will stay there, giving him four collabos in the top 10 this week. Other examples of such a phenomenon?

the Flo-Rida song is the jam of the week on MTV Jams as of a couple days ago, but I hadn't really heard it at all before that. don't know what I really think of the song, but Flo-Rida had the best verse on the (otherwise lousy) last DJ Khaled album so I'm kinda rootin' for him.

T-Pain's go-to hitmaker status isn't really any different or more ubiquitous than a lot of people in recent chart history (Akon a year ago, Lil Jon and Kanye three years ago, even 50 had a couple moments where he had multiple songs in the top 10). it's really just about scared labels chasing any known brand name for a surefire single.

Billboard says Flo-Rida has jumped up to #6, a very impressive leap, though the actual charts haven't been posted yet (Wonder why?). Also note that Colbie Caillat (potential future one hit wonder?) has entered the top five and that Finger Eleven (also potential future one hit wonder?) have entered the top 10. "Kiss Kiss" stays at #1. Won't know what's going on outside the top 10 until the actual charts are posted.

Too late for Finger Eleven - they had a Top 20 charter with "One Thing" in '04.

Colbie Caillat has been sitting at #5 for at least three weeks now.

Flo-Rida is a he?

Shoot, I was hoping for this Florida:

http://www.tvparty.com/vgifs13/goodtimes5.jpg

Also new on the Hot 100 are Lifehouse's "From Where You Are" at No. 61, currently soundtracking an Allstate ad, and CSS' "Music Is My Hot Hot Sex" at No. 84.

???

Oh, it's another fucking iPod ad.

that flo-rida song sounds so shitty. like the most awful treble. actually worst produced than "kiss kiss" and who thought that was possible. flo-rida joint is actually just a more awful "kiss kiss"

i like that song but love how they use it for the ad.

besides picking good songs apple always uses them well.

I mean, good for CSS and all, but that's a second-tier song from that album. Wish they'd have scored a hit with "Let's Make Love..." or "Alala" instead.

that flo-rida song sounds so shitty. like the most awful treble. actually worst produced than "kiss kiss" and who thought that was possible. flo-rida joint is actually just a more awful "kiss kiss"

-- J0rdan S., Thursday, November 15, 2007 1:43 PM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

really? I think "Kiss Kiss" is one of T-Pain's better productions, nice drum programming w/ old school dinky Triton snares, cool wah wah melody. although in the last issue of Scratch when Timbaland was pressed to name songs he thought were biting his/Danja's current style, and he said "Kiss Kiss," which i thought was kinda o_O

i actually like those really cheap sounding snares, too. and i'm still a sucker for when t-pain puts the other ppl on his songs through the auto-tune at random-ass times so their voice comes out all distorto at the end of verses and stuff (love this on "shottas"). something abotu "kiss kiss" just sounds...underwhelming to me. it might have more to do with other chris brown singles—usually slicker than this, no?— than it does with "kiss kiss" itself.

My roundup this week had 2 factual errors in 4 sentences even though the charts hadn't even been posted. How thrilling. I actually kinda like the Colbie Caillat song.

yeah i don't think "kiss kiss" sounds like a danja/timbo thing. i mean basicall all his big dance hits lately have had those clattering, rattling drums. and his songs are usually a lot more spacious than "kiss kiss". ppl using undulating synths does not equal an aesthetic rip off.

To your credit, Greg, Billboard.com were the ones that fucked up: they said that Colbie Caillat moved up 6-5.

Two weeks of recapping to do.

Alicia Keys is in her second week at #1 with "No One," which sits atop the R&B list for a seventh week. T-Pain again guests 4 times in the Top 10. "Clumsy" up to 7. Rihanna and Ne-Yo rebound back into the Top 10 with "Hate That I Love You." "Paralyzer" still bulleted at 11 in its 25th week on the chart. "Just Fine" finally enters the Top 40 in its sixth week - seems kind of a slow burn for a lead single from someone of Mary J.'s caliber. Santana in the Top 40 again with an "Into the Night" that sadly is not a Benny Mardones cover. Britney falls out of the Top 40 - does she have a second single out yet? Never heard of Paramore but they're in at 43 - does their being on Fueled By Ramen tell me all I need to know about their sound? "Before He Cheats," alas, falls off the chart this week, ending its remarkable run. Finally, Colbie Caillat spares herself one-hit-wonderdom expediently as "Mistletoe" enters at 86.

I love "Just Fine" but I get the feeling it's going to end up a moderately received warmup single -- her next single is already out, in an iTunes ad, and sounds a bit more obviously tailored to urban radio. Paramore are pretty great teenage girl-fronted pop punk, and that single is already on its way down, peaked at 34 and the follow-up has a video (although I don't think it's nearly as good as "Misery Business," but their album is loaded with potential hits).

keys is killing TRL now and i don't even really like this song all that much.

alex is the paramore album that good?

it could be better, but like i said, several songs i think i'd enjoy hearing on the radio as much as "Misery Business."

i hate hate hate "No One" and am depressed by the much better "Like You'll See Me Again"'s currently very slow rise (actually down a spot this week from 45 to 46).

that single might end up being something like "shut up and drive" i.e. slowly climbing up the charts as the first single dominates at #1, utlimately peaking at something like 12 before slowly descending.

Britney falls out of the Top 40 - does she have a second single out yet?

"Piece of Me" debuted at #80 two weeks ago and held there last week, not sure what it's done since (obviously not in top 50, though).

I keep forgetting I want to hear the Paramore album, but yeah "Misery Business" is A+.

yeah thats one of those songs where i check the awful rock station solely in the hopes that they are playing it.

Britney climbs to 63 this week, per acharts . us

OK,

Alicia Keys remains number one, and "Paralyzer" (which I have totally come around on!) re-enters the top 10, otherwise it's just the normal bouncing about, and I'm shocked how much staying power this Flo Rida song has had. Fergie is climbing ever close to 5 top 5 hits from one album for the first time since ____ (I have no idea). Steady climbers outside the top 10 include "Tattoo", TashBed, "Until the End of Time", "Hypnotized", Paramore and others. Good Charlotte may have stalled out, but their song is similar to and almost as good as "Paralyzer".

"Piece of Me" leaps into the top 50 and may become a genuine hit. "Teardrops on My Guitar" re-enters the top 100 at 44. The local top 40 stations in Atlanta have been playing a pop remix of this song. Any comments? Predictions? Rooting interests?

Also, wtf Wyclef has a new hit now? I had no idea he was still relevant and have heard nothing from him since (the still awesome) "Perfect Gentleman".

Triple post warning "All I Want For Christmas Is You" is making its annual climb into the top 10 of the digital sales chart and I love the song and all but doesn't everybody own it at this point?

Erstwhile ILXor (and VH1 World Series of Pop Culture co-champion) The Good Dr. Bill (who writes a pretty good, though irregularly published, charts feature on his blog) commented on the Wyclef song thusly: Also, Wyclef has his first top 40 hit in ages with “Sweetest Girl” (though I have a feeling Akon and Lil’ Wayne might have a bit more to do with it).

Yeah, Clef's been making a moderate comeback this year aligning himself with big current artists, producing for T.I., etc. I doubt it'll really go anywhere or make him ubiquitous again, but fwiw I think "Sweetest Girl" is one of the best singles Wayne or Akon has been on lately.

I don't hear any similiarity between "Paralyzer" and "I Don't Wanna Impregnate Nicole Richie (Dance Floor Anthem)," besides that they're both upbeat, vaguely dancey rock songs.

VH1 World Series of Pop Culture co-champion) The Good Dr. Bill

Foreal?

Foreal.

Unless I'm mistaken, with "Clumsy" now at #5, this makes The Dutchess the first album to have at least 5 songs go top 5 since Mariah Carey's debut.

Other albums to have accomplished this feat: Rhythm Nation 1814 (holds the record with SEVEN top 5 hits), True Blue, Forever Your Girl, and Thriller. Maybe more -- I was just searching through the discography section on the usual suspects' Wikipedia pages.

OK, there were six from Faith.

Sucks that such a horrible, horrible artist is the one to reach that feat.

That's interesting, especially considering that all of those albums have sold at least 7 million domestically (The Dutchess is currently triple platinum in the U.S.).

I've often wondered what it was about that 1983-91 period, starting with Michael Jackson and ending with Mariah Carey and encompassing George Michael, Whitney Houston, Madonna, Janet Jackson, and Paula Abdul, that spawned all of those blockbuster albums with multiple singles lighting up the charts. Why doesn't that happen anymore?

I think because music is too splintered now, with different artists for different target audiences. Fergie comes closest to being one of those "reach out to everyone" types.

It might have something to do with how for most of the 90s, major labels stopped releasing a lot of big hits as physical singles available in stores (which would also explain why an iTunes queen like Fergie is one of the first people since then to make such an achievement). Plus that was just the prime era for big MTV-branded pop idols.

Those are both good points. What's interesting is that it didn't happen before the 1980s, either, and I'm guessing that's partially because artists tended to release albums more quickly instead of milking each one. For instance, Elton John had seven top 5 hits between 1974-75, but they were spread out between four albums and a stand-alone single.

Btw, Janet Jackson's Control had 5 in the top 5, too.

cool to see "flashing lights" and "piece of me" rising.

also awesome to see "duffel bag boy" still climbing. i don't really like the song all that much but i might buy it this week. anyone know why it's still moving up? i'm assuming it's just now starting to get picked up across the country?

"Piece of Me" dropped two, actually.

oh :(
i didn't notice it in the top 50 last week. or read this thread apparently.

yeah I'm a little surprised "Duffle Bag Boy" is still climbing, but it's a dope song, one of my favorite singles of the year, so good for them. surprised that "Tattoo" has gone top 10, somehow i doubt that'll save Jordin's album from looking like a flop.

I don't like the Bedingfield song w/ Sean Kingston much, but I'm kind of happy to see it climb because it at least raises the chances of her album being released in the U.S. sometime soon and possibly "Babies" finally becoming a single here (although apparently they changed the album's title and switched out a bunch of songs for new ones for the U.S. release, so maybe not).

man they play the shit out of "tattoo" here, but also that elliot yamin single (which i think is pretty great) so it might just be an idol thing.

Well, all in all, Yamin and Sparks are pretty much on equal footing as far as sales figures and single airplay, but he's done really well for an underdog AI runner-up on an independent label, while she's done really poorly for an AI champ's debut album. I'm sure most pop radio formats are all over pretty much anythig by even the mid-level Idol alumni, though.

i guess it's hurting sparks that she doesn't really have a niche audience? like daughtry's singles charted on modern rock and his first two went number one on adult top 40 (unless that's wiki vandalism cuz i can't imagine my mom listening to daughtry). underwood has country, fantasia's status as a major pop star are kinda nill but she still charts pretty high on r&b as does ruben studdard. only real major pop-only crossover has been clarkson. it seems that sparks might be going the clay aiken route.

man they play the shit out of "tattoo" here

Here too. I listen to the radio pretty casually (the couple times a week I'm in the car), but I've heard it WAY more than the Alicia Keys song at the top of the chart, for example.

Looking at yes.com, I see that "No One" is actually getting more airplay than "Tattoo" on the two Chicago stations I listen to, but "Tattoo" is #3 on one station and #6 on the other, which is far better than the national average (it's #18 on the Airplay chart).

Add to they play Sparks and Yamin constantly here too (here = Atlanta, GA). Excited to see "Paralyzer" still climbing.

1. Why have the charts been so boring (read: stagnant) lately? Ongoing trend or just the way it's been?
2. Any guesses for Billboard top 10 singles of the year? "Umbrella" is a lock, maybe "Don't Matter".

The top 10 for the year actually were:

1. Beyonce - "Irreplaceable"
2. Rihanna ft. Jay Z - "Umbrella"
3. Gwen Stefani ft. Akon - "The Sweet Escape"
4. Fergie - "Big Girls Don't Cry"
5. T-Pain ft. Yung Joc - "Buy U a Drank (Shawty Snappin')"
6. Carrie Underwood - "Before He Cheats"
7. Plain White T's - "Hey There Delilah"
8. Akon ft. Snoop Dog - "I Wanna Love You"
9. Nelly Furtado - "Say It Right"
10. Fergie ft. Ludacris - "Glamorous"