NIN -- _Year Zero

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Let us anticipate.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 12 January 2007 19:31 (nineteen years ago)

Well, he's got one thing right....

...he IS getting old.

― David St. Hubbins (David St. Hubbins), Friday, 12 January 2007 19:35 (nineteen years ago)

Let's! With Teeth wasn't too shabby! I fear the worst, tho, because, y'know.

― David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 12 January 2007 19:36 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, it was a great album, and a slew of the remixes even better. I am looking forward to the DVD as well, given I kept and missing their shows. :-/

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 12 January 2007 19:37 (nineteen years ago)

i didn't even hear with teeth. i am still anticipating that one.

― scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 12 January 2007 19:37 (nineteen years ago)

With Teeth is fucking awesome.

― The Android Cat (Dan Perry), Friday, 12 January 2007 19:40 (nineteen years ago)

I still frequent a NIN forum, even though my interest in them has decreased dramatically in the past few years. I'll give this a chance. It's supposed to be "noisier" or something.

― Ivan G (Ivan), Friday, 12 January 2007 19:41 (nineteen years ago)

With Teeth is fucking awesome.

Seconded. Trent usually satisfies.

― J. Grizzle (trainsmoke), Friday, 12 January 2007 19:46 (nineteen years ago)

"Stronger," indeed. Anyone see the guy on tour recently? He's bulked up like the Hulk. Not surprising, I guess, considering exceptional fitness seems to be one outcome of rehab, at least when said junkie is serious about cleaning up.

I haven't heard a single thing from Reznor that I outright hated. At the least, I think he's one of the best producers working today.

― Josh in Chicago (Josh in Chicago), Friday, 12 January 2007 20:39 (nineteen years ago)

Did anyone get the Closure DVD that leaked?

― Simply Steve! (nÃ©e Christiane F.) (drowned in milk), Friday, 12 January 2007 20:42 (nineteen years ago)

He's bulked up like the Hulk.

He borrowed Glenn Danzig's muscle mass.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 12 January 2007 20:43 (nineteen years ago)

Seeing him live was much better than expected! The more sober, beefy Trent is a little startling but he does a pretty good job of putting together a solid band of session musicians for the road.

― mh. (mike h.), Friday, 12 January 2007 21:06 (nineteen years ago)

Wow, I didn't realise this was coming! I'm very excited, the couple of With Teeth shows we went to were awesome. Seeing them in March, too, so I wonder if there will be new songs?

― toby (tsg20), Friday, 12 January 2007 23:49 (nineteen years ago)

and With Teeth was awesome, if that needs to be said.

― toby (tsg20), Friday, 12 January 2007 23:49 (nineteen years ago)

with teeth might even be my favorite NIN record! i totally loved it. everything i like about the first three, with none of the stuff that i don't like. i can't wait to hear the new one.

― Emily Bjurnhjam (Emily Bjurnhjam), Saturday, 13 January 2007 01:05 (nineteen years ago)

That is a really quick follow-up for Trent!

I agree with all the positive thoughts on With Teeth. I lost interest in NIN when The Fragile came out, but With Teeth got me excited about them again.

My wife and I saw them on the last tour and they rocked!

― Matt Olken (Moodles), Saturday, 13 January 2007 04:51 (nineteen years ago)

If I happen to accidentally turn the radio on and hear, for example, an emo type screamo band

― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Saturday, 13 January 2007 09:08 (nineteen years ago)

If there's one thing that could ever deter me from seeing Bauhaus it's the presence of Trent Fucking Reznor.

guuhhhh

― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Saturday, 13 January 2007 09:09 (nineteen years ago)

What were the worthwhile mixes from With Teeth?

― ledge (ledge), Saturday, 13 January 2007 10:45 (nineteen years ago)

The Richard X one with the Exorcist-sounding keys was pretty excellent.

― Tiki Theater Xymposium (Bent Over at the Arclight), Saturday, 13 January 2007 11:08 (nineteen years ago)

Hang on ... (checks calendar) ... it's not 2010. There's a new NIN album coming out already?

Half of "With Teeth" was a great album, the other half contained crap like the title track and "Only".

― NoTimeBeforeTime (Barry Bruner), Saturday, 13 January 2007 13:12 (nineteen years ago)

the dfa one was quite good. not very nin though.

― toby (tsg20), Saturday, 13 January 2007 19:13 (nineteen years ago)

...like the title track and "Only".

whatchew talkin 'bout, "Only" was one of the best songs on the album! though i guess the lyrics do kinda blow.

― latebloomer da nutty tarkovsky (latebloomer), Saturday, 13 January 2007 19:29 (nineteen years ago)

The title track is my favorite song off With Teeth!

― The Android Cat (Dan Perry), Saturday, 13 January 2007 22:24 (nineteen years ago)

sorry to be lame, but the first and last tracks were clearly the best. right where it belongs was practically a career-high!

― You've Got Scourage On Your Breath (Haberdager), Saturday, 13 January 2007 22:27 (nineteen years ago)

the breakdown at the end of "all the love in the world" is what made me listen to that song about 10 times in a row before i moved onto the rest of the album. good one, trent.

― Emily Bjurnhjam (Emily Bjurnhjam), Saturday, 13 January 2007 22:29 (nineteen years ago)

i also have a weakness for 'beside you in time', because it is SUCCULENT AND SHOEGAZEY.

― You've Got Scourage On Your Breath (Haberdager), Saturday, 13 January 2007 22:32 (nineteen years ago)

How can people listen to NIN with a straight face? A 40 year old man singing songs like "Everyday Is Exactly the Same".. it's pathetic. Reznor may be an interesting composer (I guess... not really, to be honest), but lyrically he's shown absolutely no growth, in fact he's kind of devolved into a caricature of an angsty teenager.

― The Brainwasher (Twilight), Saturday, 13 January 2007 22:33 (nineteen years ago)

Have you all checked out With Boots yet? It's a collection of mashups of the tracks from With Teeth with some predictable but also some quite surprising other tracks, with in some cases pretty awesome results.

― StanM (StanM), Saturday, 13 January 2007 22:39 (nineteen years ago)

Brainwasher--is NIN really any worse than other artists making that kind music into their 40's? i'd argue he fares pretty well, considering a lot of the other 90s casualties that've crashed and burned and/or keep pathetically plugging along. and what's wrong with teen angst anyway?

i agree Reznor's never been a great lyricist, in fact he's probably gotten worse. but if you can't get over bad lyrics i can't help you!

― latebloomer da nutty tarkovsky (latebloomer), Saturday, 13 January 2007 23:17 (nineteen years ago)

Why is NIN like waving a red flag in front of a bull to some people?

― The Android Cat (Dan Perry), Saturday, 13 January 2007 23:38 (nineteen years ago)

Was never much of a NIN fan after Pretty Hate Machine, so i reeeeally wasn't expecting much when i saw them at coachella. but wow were they great. so great i paid to see them again a few weeks later. the album is good, but live is where it's at. The guitarist is unbelieveable.

― Joshua Glazer (matthewcampari), Monday, 15 January 2007 04:32 (nineteen years ago)

Must finally see them again this time around.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 15 January 2007 04:40 (nineteen years ago)

I have a friend who's been trying to sell me on NIN for some time. I love Reznor's sound, but I have the same hangups Brainwasher does.

― The Reverend Rodney J. Greene is false metal! (R. J. Greene), Monday, 15 January 2007 04:45 (nineteen years ago)

Growth in lyrics = overrated.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 15 January 2007 04:46 (nineteen years ago)

I don't care about "growth" so much as "sounds like sadsack high schooler in middle age".

― The Reverend Rodney J. Greene is false metal! (R. J. Greene), Monday, 15 January 2007 04:47 (nineteen years ago)

Trent as lyricist hits the same levels as Martin Gore has, in otherwards simultaneously brilliant and limited. They are both masters at broad strokes, not subtleties, except by default or accident, and that only isn't a problem, it's probably exactly what was needed.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 15 January 2007 04:49 (nineteen years ago)

i was just bummed by the fragile. it just felt so fussed over and inert. i wanted to love it cuz i loved the downward spiral. and i loved the perfect drug! i was so hoping the fragile would sound more like that. maybe i will get with teeth if i see it used somewhere.

― scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 15 January 2007 05:11 (nineteen years ago)

Trent as lyricist hits the same levels as Martin Gore has

oh COME ON

― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Monday, 15 January 2007 05:22 (nineteen years ago)

this is cool. i dunno if its from a dvd or what, but it sounds cool:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=DYq3NPD7TVk&mode=related&search=

― scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 15 January 2007 05:22 (nineteen years ago)

http://tn3-2.deviantart.com/300W/images3.deviantart.com/i/2004/155/1/f/Closer.jpg

Sometimes, only sometimes...

― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Monday, 15 January 2007 05:29 (nineteen years ago)

oh COME ON

It's one of the most obvious things he took from Depeche, actually.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 15 January 2007 05:29 (nineteen years ago)

I'm sorry Ned, I just don't see it. The connection via the industrial synth-pop instrumentation and the bondage-goth getup is certainly more obvious to me.

― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Monday, 15 January 2007 05:34 (nineteen years ago)

Oh, that's part of it. But it's also the combination of standard sex and death tropes handled via emotional bombast as well as sometimes forced and usually pretty straightforward rhymes. Neither are by any stretch of the imagination complicated in their lyrical vocabulary.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 15 January 2007 05:36 (nineteen years ago)

Martin L Gore tends to yearn towards God in his lyrics. Trent tends to reject and shun God in his lyrics. Both have a relatively naive, obvious approach to allegory that simultaneously appeals to a broad base and repells an equally broad base.

― The Android Cat (Dan Perry), Monday, 15 January 2007 05:41 (nineteen years ago)

yeah but shared simplicity != Trent trying to emulate Martin. Martin may be a grown-up teenager but he's not an angry grown-up teenager. To me NIN's lyrics just seem completely removed from Depeche's: different subject matter, different treatment of the subject matter (even when they're both talking about wild animal sex Trent's thinking "Closer" and Martin's thinking "Master and Servant"), different attitude, NIN less ironic and certainly less romantic. Maybe I just haven't heard enough NIN.

xpost Well yeah Dan but that describes about two million other lyricists don't it? It doesn't take a rare genius to write naive poetry! But like I'm saying, Martin and Trent are coming from completely different worlds of naive poetry!

― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Monday, 15 January 2007 05:46 (nineteen years ago)

Curtis, I think you're looking for a more complicated explanation when an easier one exists! It's pretty easy to apply Occam's Razor here.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 15 January 2007 05:48 (nineteen years ago)

I agree that yeah, they both do this:

the combination of standard sex and death tropes handled via emotional bombast as well as sometimes forced and usually pretty straightforward rhymes. Neither are by any stretch of the imagination complicated in their lyrical vocabulary.

But I just think that's a really really loose connection when we're talking about Martin Gore's lyrics being the most obvious thing that Trent Reznor took from DM. I guess in the context of industrial/synth pop Trent's lyrics are closer to Depeche's than, say, Skinny Puppy's. But in a wider context I don't think it's any surprise that two grown-up angsty teenagers can write sex/death tropes with straightforward rhymes and uncomplicated lyrical vocabulary without one directly borrowing from the other.

― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Monday, 15 January 2007 05:56 (nineteen years ago)

But I just think that's a really really loose connection when we're talking about Martin Gore's lyrics being the most obvious thing that Trent Reznor took from DM.

I said *one* of the most obvious things. Not the sole one, not the most important one. You're looking for an overriding connection I did not argue, and I'm starting to get frustrated with this willful misreading, frankly.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 15 January 2007 06:07 (nineteen years ago)

sorry, I did misread it! Never mind, then.

― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Monday, 15 January 2007 06:11 (nineteen years ago)

Goth fite! Goth fite!

― Trayce (trayce), Monday, 15 January 2007 06:40 (nineteen years ago)

One you rock the target.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 15 January 2007 06:40 (nineteen years ago)

Ned Versus The Students

― You've Got Scourage On Your Breath (Haberdager), Monday, 15 January 2007 13:52 (nineteen years ago)

one of the best songs on the album! though i guess the lyrics do kinda blow.

This describes almost any NIN song. Dude's lyrics are atrocious, but I'm not going to fault the guy. They sound like the bad diary-entry monosyllabics that a 13-year-old would find amazing. And--guess what--that's who the target audience is! So, more ["YOU KNOW ME... I HATE EVERYONE!] power to him. (PS, I found his lyrics amazing when I was 13)

― Whiney G. Weingarten (whineyg), Monday, 15 January 2007 14:39 (nineteen years ago)

R.I.P. your inner teen

― StanM (StanM), Monday, 15 January 2007 15:12 (nineteen years ago)

Okay seriously, how many people over the course of musical history have written good or great lyrics? Six?

― The Android Cat (Dan Perry), Monday, 15 January 2007 16:31 (nineteen years ago)

Two. (DJ Scooter and the Raunchy Young Lepers.)

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 15 January 2007 16:33 (nineteen years ago)

The lyric issue feeds into my larger stance on music, of course (as is probably all too well known by now). If it's ever coming down to a battle between, I don't know, Trent doing another nursery rhyme equivalent of 'life sucks' and the Decembrists doing some sort of five-part minioperetta laden with allegedly elegant metaphors about a Iraq veteran named Carl the Wonder Boy, I vote the first because the music will actually be interesting and because I'm not listening to music for freakin' deep and poetic truths in a self-consciously literary sense! And if I was I'd listen to spoken-word poetry, which would prompt me to kill myself.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 15 January 2007 16:38 (nineteen years ago)

otm. also, at least with NIN you can almost always guarantee it will at least SOUND great

― latebloomer aka freedom williams sr (latebloomer), Monday, 15 January 2007 17:11 (nineteen years ago)

I never related to NIN's lyrics, which seems to be the draw for a lot of people. I listened for the music, which blew my young mind. I never listen to lyrics, anyway.

― Ivan G (Ivan), Monday, 15 January 2007 17:22 (nineteen years ago)

he peaked with his first band, Option 30

― timmy tannin (pompous), Monday, 15 January 2007 17:55 (nineteen years ago)

Ok, let's say his next album is written especially for YOU. Gripes about his boss, traffic, the weather, neighbours, ailments, kids, the wife. Would that be better?

I don't get the lyrics issue at all. What do you think about vocals in a language you don't understand?

― StanM (StanM), Monday, 15 January 2007 18:45 (nineteen years ago)

Maybe people want the singer to believe in what he's singing, so the whole teenage angst lyrical bent sounds off coming from a popular artist who's on the wrong side of 30. If it was coming from some 16 year old, it might scan better, you know?

― Viz (Viz), Monday, 15 January 2007 20:28 (nineteen years ago)

I'm sure he feels those ways sometimes, he's just expressing them in a way that an eighth grader thinks is mind-blowing. He's speaking the language of his audience. No gripes there.

Seriously, would you want a whole album about how you're too busy playing Halo 3 to go score with models?

― Whiney G. Weingarten (whineyg), Monday, 15 January 2007 20:32 (nineteen years ago)

We already have a Scott Storch thread.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 15 January 2007 20:32 (nineteen years ago)

the other half contained crap like the title track and "Only".

WAHT

I'm by no means a NIN fan, haven't even heard all of With Teeth, but "Only" fucking rules. It's like Trent's version of LCD Soundsystem.

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 15 January 2007 20:34 (nineteen years ago)

reznor has HALO 3 already??

― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Monday, 15 January 2007 20:40 (nineteen years ago)

He released Halo 3 a long time back.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 15 January 2007 20:43 (nineteen years ago)

reznor has HALO 3 already??

Who else would?

― Whiney G. Weingarten (whineyg), Monday, 15 January 2007 20:46 (nineteen years ago)

Also, I used to love the whole halo concept until they did the three versions of starfuckers and i was off being a NIN completist for good

― Whiney G. Weingarten (whineyg), Monday, 15 January 2007 20:47 (nineteen years ago)

LOL "Starfuckers Inc".

― The Android Cat (Dan Perry), Monday, 15 January 2007 21:27 (nineteen years ago)

The best version of that song was the one on the original "The Day the World Went Away" single because of the Kiss sample at the very end -- which was of course nothing but Paul Stanley shrieking at an audience.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 15 January 2007 21:28 (nineteen years ago)

The best version of that song is one that I never have to hear ever again.

― The Android Cat (Dan Perry), Monday, 15 January 2007 21:35 (nineteen years ago)

Oh, you mean the mime karaoke.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 15 January 2007 21:38 (nineteen years ago)

(That's on Buttfuck Acoustic Time.)

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 15 January 2007 21:38 (nineteen years ago)

i kinda like starfuckers, inc! it's goofy fun.

― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Monday, 15 January 2007 21:39 (nineteen years ago)

I overstate somewhat; I don't hate the song but WOW is it not really my cup of tea.

― The Android Cat (Dan Perry), Monday, 15 January 2007 21:42 (nineteen years ago)

"Only" fucking rules. It's like Trent's version of LCD Soundsystem.

I'd say it's more like Trent's version of "New Sensation" but it does fucking rule (if he ever made a whole album of pottymouth INXS I'd kiss him on the lips).

― Zwan (miccio), Monday, 15 January 2007 23:38 (nineteen years ago)

haha actually it does sound a lot like LCD Soundsystem.

― Zwan (miccio), Monday, 15 January 2007 23:40 (nineteen years ago)

if he ever made a whole album of pottymouth INXS I'd kiss him on the lips

OTM! he really needs to just let his death-disco muse go nuts!

― latebloomer aka freedom williams sr (latebloomer), Monday, 15 January 2007 23:50 (nineteen years ago)

Which is why that remix EP for "Only" was such a good idea.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 15 January 2007 23:51 (nineteen years ago)

I think "Only" might capsulize everything I love and hate about NIN. It sounds amazing, but "There is NO FUCKING YOU, there is only me": STFU already. My friend was asking me how I can complain about Reznor's lyrics and like "My Humps". I guess bad lyrics that are aware of their own frivolity don't bother me, but bad lyrics that think they are deep and poetic and stuff annoy me shitless.

― The Reverend Rodney J. Greene is false metal! (R. J. Greene), Monday, 15 January 2007 23:57 (nineteen years ago)

I dunno, you might want to choose a better counterexample than Fergie when it comes to self-awareness.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 15 January 2007 23:59 (nineteen years ago)

guess bad lyrics that are aware of their own frivolity don't bother me, but bad lyrics that think they are deep and poetic and stuff annoy me shitless.

Stepping gingerly around the steaming pile of Fergie you left over there, this is is OTM all the way. But it ain't just the lyrics. It's the whole vibe/sound/aesthetic. Gives me tooth-hurty art-pain in extremis.

I don't want to own the black velvet painting of the sad 'n' sexy goff girl hanging on a cross (mechanical unicorn in the background?).

I don't want the black rubber recliner with chrome stirrups for my living room.

I don't have any abiding interest in serial killer memerobilia or black 52.

So, why would I relate to this band? Agree that Reznor's productions usually sound FANTASTIC, and not-so-secretly love a few tunes.

― Adam Beales (Pye Poudre), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 00:24 (nineteen years ago)

Christ, I don't own any of those things either. Who the hell cares about the accoutrements as determining what you must or should like, Jesus H.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 00:41 (nineteen years ago)

The hilarious thing is, most "proper goffs" I know can't stand NIN. They're not goth.

I find it weird people have a problem with Reznor because his lyrics are bad. Especially with some of the other shit people here seem to listen to.

― Trayce (trayce), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 00:49 (nineteen years ago)

(Disclaimer: not defending NIN, I'm not much of a fan).

― Trayce (trayce), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 00:49 (nineteen years ago)

i wouldn't go buy a black rubber recliner with chrome strirrups for my living room, but if i found one at the dump i'd totally snag it.

ps: hardly any of the people that i know that like NIN, myself included (or at least, it's been a while), self-identify as "goth". and even so, so what? i totally love my chemical romance, but i sure as hell ain't gonna start wearing black wristbands and cutting myself.

― Emily Bjurnhjam (Emily Bjurnhjam), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 00:53 (nineteen years ago)

"Who the hell cares about the accoutrements as determining what you must or should like..."

Just pointing out that the defining aesthetic bugs. (And I was so hoping that NIN != goth thing wouldn't pop up. Silly me.)

On the other hand, I like Motorhead and I like the Motorhead aesthetic.* Not the same thing, of course, but mysteriously related? You be the judge...

* In my shame I have to admit that I passed on the offical demon-dog-head throw pillows (LEMME) last time I was at Ikea.

― Adam Beales (Pye Poudre), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 00:54 (nineteen years ago)

I've read a few Reznor interviews here and there, mostly a number of years ago, and I was under the impression that he had more Pink Floyd and Kiss paraphenalia then, um, black velvet paintings and chrome stirrups. Maybe there's some leather-clad strawman walking around who has this crap and loves NIN, but they're far in the minority.

― mh. (mike h.), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 00:58 (nineteen years ago)

I recommend watching some NIN videos. You know, or maybe looking at the cover art, reading the lyrics. As a whole, the band's work transmits a fairly specific set of ideas about what's cool.

Even if Trent was secretly listening to the New Riders of the Purple Sage and collecting Monkees bobbleheads all along.

― Adam Beales (Pye Poudre), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 01:03 (nineteen years ago)

Fuck it. That was way too snide. Sorry, Mh. I don't wanna argue the point. Either you see what I'm getting at, or you don't. The lessons of the past indicate I'll find more objections than endorsements.

So, carry on.

― Adam Beales (Pye Poudre), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 01:05 (nineteen years ago)

trent's a total nerd. it's a saving grace of his. same with marilyn. same with corgan! total geek parade. but they have a lot of fun with the image thing. no harm in that. it's part of what makes it fun for people.

― scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 01:08 (nineteen years ago)

Adam I'm not sure what you're trying to say - are you defending NIN as a goth asthetic? Cause I can tell you now, a lot goths disown NIN for the most part.

But then to me, thats all really irrelevant anyway. I like some of his stuff. "A Warm Place" is a beautiful song. I wish he'd do more of that kind of ambient sountrack work instead of blasty shit for DOOM 25 or something.

― Trayce (trayce), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 01:54 (nineteen years ago)

I thought "The Hand That Feeds" was decent until it got too much radio play, but I really really reeeeeally dislike "Only."

― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Tuesday, 16 January 2007 02:39 (nineteen years ago)

My bf is a massive NIN fan, and he says he hated "With Teeth". I haven't heard it myself.

― Trayce (trayce), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 04:39 (nineteen years ago)

Blasty shit? Did you ever actually hear the Quake soundtrack that Trent did? It's mostly noodly ambient bits.

― mh. (mike h.), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 05:55 (nineteen years ago)

I've liked pretty much everything Nine Inch Nails have done. I just wish Trent (and the bald pumpkin-smashing one, for that matter) would shut the hell up about how their new records are different and amazing and really reflect where they are in their lives right now and just let the damn music do the talking.

― Jeff Treppel (Heavy Metal Hamster), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 06:45 (nineteen years ago)

I must say that I'm surprised to see ILM break down into pro-Only and anti-Only camps.

The hilarious thing is, most "proper goffs" I know can't stand NIN. They're not goth.

Most "proper goffs" can't stand 99.999999% of music that is supposed to be goth, which is why most "proper goffs" are insufferable people. I'm really starting to subscribe to Ned's "everything turns into goth in the end" theory, which is far more inclusive and inviting.

― NoTimeBeforeTime (Barry Bruner), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 08:45 (nineteen years ago)

I'm by no means a NIN fan, haven't even heard all of With Teeth, but "Only" fucking rules. It's like Trent's version of LCD Soundsystem.

I like the LCD Soundsystem singles, but didn't care for the first album at all (I haven't heard the most recent one). Also, James Murphy should take a hint and become Quincy Jones 2007 -- turning knobs in the studio while others do all the singing for him. This should clarify my position on "Only".

― NoTimeBeforeTime (Barry Bruner), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 08:51 (nineteen years ago)

Blasty shit? Did you ever actually hear the Quake soundtrack that Trent did? It's mostly noodly ambient bits.

Oh ok, I'll admit I hadn't heard it no. So fair play.

― Trayce (trayce), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 10:23 (nineteen years ago)

"year zero"

― Raymond Cummings (Raymond Cummings), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 12:52 (nineteen years ago)

I kind of want an album full of stuff like "The Only Time" (which might be why I liked The Fragile so much).

― The Android Cat (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 14:53 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.metalsludge.tv/home/images/stories/exposed/Trent%20NIN/reznor_middle.jpg

― chocolatepiekid (chocolatepiekid), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 15:23 (nineteen years ago)

also, as i have never given two shits about lyrics in music, i vote thumbs up for nine inch nails

p.s.

"Shoot shoot shoot shoot shoot
I'm gonna to come all over you"

c'mon guys. c'mon.

― chocolatepiekid (chocolatepiekid), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 15:27 (nineteen years ago)

foxy

***

But back to Trayce (and Ned, though you didn't ask):

My primary objection to NIN is aesthetic. I don't like the overall style template. It seems clunky and obvious. Like bad shoes. I don't relate to the basic view of life on display. Not 'cuz it's goth (though NIN have a lot in common with textbook goth shit, that's not a problem -- I like a lot of textbook goth shit), but 'cuz it seems silly and even embarrassing.

I'm not pnly talking about the tunes + sonics, which are often fine, sometimes truly great. I'm talking about the organizing sensibility behind it all. See, some folks insist that music is just MUSIC: tunes + sonics alone. But for me, anyway, there's more to it than that. There are less tangible levels of appeal and interaction.

I mean, think about painting. Some people are really into Dungeons & Dragons collector's plates, fine products of the Franklin Mint. I'm not. I think they're ludicrous, tasteless garbage, and I don't want 'em in my house.

"But," the dedicated collector says, "look at the brushwork. Look at the craftsmanship. Observe the look of steely determination and doomed nobility on this Dwarf Cleric's face. Look at the richness and depth of the steam clouds billowing up from Helm's Deep."

And I look. And I have to recognize. The painting is fucking fantastic. The translucent beauty of the light, the weighty planes of stone, steel and flesh. It's dazzling. But I still hate it. It's still a D&D collector's plate. It's still ludicrous, tasteless garbage, and I still don't want it in my house.

Now, I don't hate NIN that much. They're okay, I guess. But they ain't my cuppa tea.

― Adam Beales (Pye Poudre), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 15:28 (nineteen years ago)

Some people are really into Dungeons & Dragons collector's plates, fine products of the Franklin Mint. I'm not. I think they're ludicrous, tasteless garbage, and I don't want 'em in my house.

Yeah, but they're not being uploaded onto iPods either.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 15:31 (nineteen years ago)

They're not? Damn, somebody needs to get on top of that shit, like yesterday.

― Adam Beales (Pye Poudre), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 15:36 (nineteen years ago)

I don't know if I'm ROFFLing or BOGGLing.

― The Android Cat (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 15:36 (nineteen years ago)

I feel your pain.

― Adam Beales (Pye Poudre), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 15:43 (nineteen years ago)

You are remarkably self-aware.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 15:46 (nineteen years ago)

FULL CIRCLE

http://home.earthlink.net/~selgart/smith/graphics/adric.JPG

― The Android Cat (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 15:49 (nineteen years ago)

I can't decide whether or not I'm excited about this album, though With Teeth def. had its moments and outclassed The Fragile.

Has anyone written an in-depth, unauthorized bio of this band yet? Cuz I'd love to see ex-NINnies dish on the power dynamics/behind-the-scenes stuff.

― Raymond Cummings (Raymond Cummings), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 16:06 (nineteen years ago)

yeah put me down in the hating "Only" category, too (all those talky verses, god -- "less concerned with fitting into the world -- YOUR WORLD, THAT IS"). I probably would've checked out With Teeth if Trent talking up hipster shit like DFA and M.I.A. hadn't scared me off.

― Alex in Baltimore (Alex in Baltimore), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 16:20 (nineteen years ago)

I really really want to hear NIN cover "10 Dollar."

― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Tuesday, 16 January 2007 16:41 (nineteen years ago)

two weeks pass...

More to anticipate!

― Ivan G (Ivan), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 21:22 (nineteen years ago)

Sounds good from here. I'll keep an eye out for the tortured souls this weekend.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 21:25 (nineteen years ago)

Reznor said that most of the album was recorded "in hotel rooms around the world on laptops," with very few musicians beside himself and "maybe some surprise vocalists that pop up here and there."

Is he MOBY?

― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Wednesday, 31 January 2007 21:47 (nineteen years ago)

http://maggiebear.com/trentgallery15/trent715tx.JPG

― StanM (StanM), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 21:58 (nineteen years ago)

Has anyone written an in-depth, unauthorized bio of this band yet? Cuz I'd love to see ex-NINnies dish on the power dynamics/behind-the-scenes stuff.

-- Raymond Cummings (gracefulas...), January 16th, 2007.

"When i joined nine inch nails, i had no idea that it was trent reznor who really ran the show"

― latebloomer (latebloomer), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 22:32 (nineteen years ago)

20 GOTO 10
RUN

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 22:32 (nineteen years ago)

Anyone hear the radio sessions from last year where Trent and members of bands opening for NIN would cover each other's songs plus some of their shared favorites? There were a few questionable ones (Reznor singing TV On the Radio songs?) but some decent ones too (Peter Murphy singing Reptile!). I'd wonder if some of these guest vocalists are just tourmates.

― mh. (mike h.), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 22:38 (nineteen years ago)

Reznor singing TV On the Radio songs?

Oh dear.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 22:39 (nineteen years ago)

NIN, TVOTR and Bauhaus:

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=nin+bauhaus&search=Search

― StanM (StanM), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 22:42 (nineteen years ago)

...I think I'll pass.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 22:43 (nineteen years ago)

Has the time come for the fabled collaboration with Robert Smith?

― is anyone anticipating the new Baaderonixx? (baaderonixx), Thursday, 1 February 2007 08:15 (nineteen years ago)

i want to see reznor and bowie perform the macarena, complete with dance. and then for trent to embrace his 80's past by recording an album of new romantic covers.

sadly tho...

― frenchbloke (frenchbloke), Thursday, 1 February 2007 08:31 (nineteen years ago)

We haven't heard the new one yet, anything is possible.

― StanM (StanM), Thursday, 1 February 2007 10:15 (nineteen years ago)

April 17th (http://www.nin.com/current/index.html) and track two is called:

http://yearzero.nin.com/

― StanM (StanM), Monday, 5 February 2007 23:23 (nineteen years ago)

oh, reznorpaws!

― The Reverend Rodney J. Greene (R. J. Greene), Monday, 5 February 2007 23:29 (nineteen years ago)

two weeks pass...

So when will a fourth song leak?

― Ned Raggett, Saturday, 24 February 2007 05:36 (eighteen years ago)

(Peter Murphy singing Reptile!)

:o

― Curt1s Stephens, Saturday, 24 February 2007 05:38 (eighteen years ago)

Well he already got Bowie to sing that, so there ya go.

― Ned Raggett, Saturday, 24 February 2007 05:39 (eighteen years ago)

[Removed Illegal Link]

[Removed Illegal Link]

― Ivan, Saturday, 24 February 2007 05:56 (eighteen years ago)

Wtf.

Cover art: http://yearzero.nin.com/0024/yearzero_cover.jpg

Track list and teaser video: http://yearzero.nin.com/

― Ivan, Saturday, 24 February 2007 05:57 (eighteen years ago)

[Removed Illegal Link]

― latebloomer, Saturday, 24 February 2007 06:47 (eighteen years ago)

i like the nerdy (but pretty neat-o) way they're marketing this album:

http://www.rollingstone.com/rockdaily/index.php/2007/02/22/year-zero-project-way-cooler-than-lost/

― latebloomer, Saturday, 24 February 2007 06:48 (eighteen years ago)

The illegal link stuff is when you include punctuation marks in the text you want to cover the URL itself in the final text -- just stick with basic characters!

― Ned Raggett, Saturday, 24 February 2007 07:01 (eighteen years ago)

http://yearzero.nin.com/0024/yearzero_cover.jpg

Rolling Stone story

― Ned Raggett, Saturday, 24 February 2007 07:02 (eighteen years ago)

[/]Growth in lyrics = overrated. [i/]

Ned OTM muchly.

― i, grey, Saturday, 24 February 2007 07:10 (eighteen years ago)

The sign which quickly passes by in the video clip reads 'I Am Trying to Believe,' which is the phrase that kicked off this whole thing to start with.

― Ned Raggett, Saturday, 24 February 2007 07:16 (eighteen years ago)

Guest vocalist on "Survivalism" according to this -- Saul Williams.

― Ned Raggett, Sunday, 25 February 2007 19:00 (eighteen years ago)

Growth in lyrics = overrated.

Ned Raggett (Ned) on Monday, 15 January 2007 04:46 (1 month ago)

i pretty much agree with this, but i find it easier to take with artists like ac/dc or the ramones or too short or whoever, where the general vibe is a sort of winking bonhomie...NIN are so damn serious and dire, i guess sometime i wish he'd actually deliver on something more, since there's a very "this is an important statement" vibe going on with the whole thing.

― M@tt He1ges0n, Sunday, 25 February 2007 19:21 (eighteen years ago)

Good point, actually. Does pop (which I'd argue all the other counterexamples are, easily) allow for non-growth only when it's delivered with an overt or clear humor?

― Ned Raggett, Sunday, 25 February 2007 19:23 (eighteen years ago)

yeah i don't know...that's just how i feel instinctively, i'm not sure it SHOULD be right...it's probably just like anything, we tend to identify with people that seem more like "regular folks" and are more inclined to give them a "pass" as it were, just because we/I don't feel like they are holding themselves up above us/me as a "artist" or whatever....

haha i guess i'm "voting" for too short and ac/dc cuz like people who voted for bush because they'd "rather go out for a beer with him"?

― M@tt He1ges0n, Sunday, 25 February 2007 19:30 (eighteen years ago)

I've come to realise over the years that it's sometimes only possible for me to enjoy an artist's work if I never read anything about them or hear anything that they say. But that's easy enough, and why not?

― Noodle Vague, Sunday, 25 February 2007 19:36 (eighteen years ago)

Realizing that liking someone's music != having to think positively of them personally if the evidence suggested otherwise was a key step for me when younger. That said, most of the musicians I have met are all pretty swell!

― Ned Raggett, Sunday, 25 February 2007 19:40 (eighteen years ago)

man i'd love to be friends with too short! another one of my dreams that will go unrealized.

Realizing that liking someone's music != having to think positively of them personally if the evidence suggested otherwise was a key step for me when younger.

yep.

i think i made this too "personal" sounding actually, there's more to it than just personalities. i can't really express my point too well, i guess.

― M@tt He1ges0n, Sunday, 25 February 2007 19:43 (eighteen years ago)

Generally it's not that I think they're not decent human beings. I just think a lot of artists aren't the best judges of their own work.

― Noodle Vague, Sunday, 25 February 2007 19:45 (eighteen years ago)

More thoughts on this later, gotta dash to a birthday party!

― Ned Raggett, Sunday, 25 February 2007 19:52 (eighteen years ago)

New song "leaked".

In This Twilight

― Ivan, Monday, 26 February 2007 02:47 (eighteen years ago)

TOTAL Aphex/Warp mid-nineties start there (BoC maybe?). Once the 'normal' drums start less so but damn, I love the way Trent's singing on this, great to hear him actually take a soft turn with his voice. Nice sonic scuzz on the chorus. Great contrast to the other songs that have emerged so far.

― Ned Raggett, Monday, 26 February 2007 03:32 (eighteen years ago)

What do you want to bet the songs that are "leaked" are not the actual versions of the songs on the album.

― daria-g, Monday, 26 February 2007 06:05 (eighteen years ago)

Then hurrah! Alternate mixes/takes!

― Ned Raggett, Monday, 26 February 2007 06:13 (eighteen years ago)

I was so hoping for a Stephen Tintin Duffy cover!

― naus, Monday, 26 February 2007 06:52 (eighteen years ago)

But then again, it probably wouldn't fit in with the album's concept.

― naus, Monday, 26 February 2007 06:52 (eighteen years ago)

i love this latest song, it's nice

― latebloomer, Monday, 26 February 2007 17:47 (eighteen years ago)

RAWK.

(Meaning = saw 'em tonight in London.)

― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 8 March 2007 00:03 (eighteen years ago)

Yay. Seeing 'em tomorrow.

― ledge, Thursday, 8 March 2007 00:36 (eighteen years ago)

I have to say I was surprised at how heavily the show was weighted to Broken and The Downward Spiral -- they even played "Help Me I Am in Hell," something I would have never expected. So this was a bit disappointing, frankly -- that was the era I saw them last in, and I would have preferred something more wide ranging. As it was there were two Fragile cuts and three With Teeth songs, plus "Survivalism," which eats as muttered above. All this said, great show, Trent's got every pose down pat, RAWK, etc.

― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 8 March 2007 11:34 (eighteen years ago)

Every time I see this thread title, I read it as "Nine Below Zero" !

― Mark G, Thursday, 8 March 2007 11:44 (eighteen years ago)

Every time I see this thread title, I read it as "Nine Below Zero" !

― Mark G, Thursday, 8 March 2007 11:44 (eighteen years ago)

Oh doubleclickpause...

― Mark G, Thursday, 8 March 2007 11:44 (eighteen years ago)

FYI: all you need to know about the viral campaign/the attempts from the resistance from the future to travel back in time to warn us/etc is here (page updated all the time - you'll see the videoclip for Survivalism was distributed on a couple of USB sticks yesterday at the show, for instance.

― StanM, Thursday, 8 March 2007 12:05 (eighteen years ago)

ok, ok, all you NEED to know is this:

... but if you want to check it out, that's where to find it, I mean.

― StanM, Thursday, 8 March 2007 12:10 (eighteen years ago)

I have to say I was surprised at how heavily the show was weighted to Broken and The Downward Spiral

Obviously they're mixing it up a bit, tonight it was all about The Fragile. Which is a shame, as I know nothing of it, and from the sounds of it I haven't missed much. More Broken and TDS is exactly what I could have done with! But apart from that it was a pretty good, Trent's indeed a great showman. Highlight for me, apart from the obvious classics, was Eraser, with it's full >3 minute hypnotic intro of drums and vertiginous guitars.

― ledge, Friday, 9 March 2007 00:12 (eighteen years ago)

good video

― danbunny, Friday, 9 March 2007 00:15 (eighteen years ago)

Highlight for me, apart from the obvious classics, was Eraser, with it's full >3 minute hypnotic intro of drums and vertiginous guitars.

Yeah, they did that on Wednesday, was v. good. I envy you seeing all The Fragile stuff, I missed that tour!

― Ned Raggett, Friday, 9 March 2007 07:21 (eighteen years ago)

I don't have anything useful to say, but some of the exchanges on this thread have given me some faith in ILM being interesting again!

― JW, Friday, 9 March 2007 07:46 (eighteen years ago)

LOL @ hoax sites and images from NIN haterz:

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y57/IanJay/OkayInZero.jpg

― StanM, Friday, 9 March 2007 14:00 (eighteen years ago)

Wolverhampton show tonight is cancelled. Will now be August 30th. (probable voice trouble for Reznor, one of the Birmingham shows of last week was delayed until August 28th)

http://www.wolvescivic.co.uk/

(dude! plz to be healthy on Sunday night, ok? kthx.)

― StanM, Monday, 12 March 2007 14:29 (eighteen years ago)

Where are you seeing him? Is he playing at the AB?

― baaderonixx, Monday, 12 March 2007 15:12 (eighteen years ago)

Yes, on Sunday and Monday. Were both sold out in half an hour a couple of months ago, I'm afraid.

― StanM, Monday, 12 March 2007 15:15 (eighteen years ago)

(they're playing on Sunday & Monday, I'm only going on Sunday. Had I known they're doing such diverse setlists this tour, I would have bought tickets for both shows)

― StanM, Monday, 12 March 2007 15:16 (eighteen years ago)

Yeah I saw the ads but couldn't get my act together...

― baaderonixx, Monday, 12 March 2007 15:33 (eighteen years ago)

Listening party fun -- if you're into that.

― Ned Raggett, Monday, 12 March 2007 22:31 (eighteen years ago)

Wrong continent for me :-(

Meanwhile: a new bunch of clues! This mural/billboard found under a bridge in London after following the instructions on a flyer at last night's show:

http://i17.tinypic.com/4d1npmv.jpg

(which lead to another couple of sites from the future)

― StanM, Monday, 12 March 2007 22:39 (eighteen years ago)

I'm really digging this viral thing they're doing, I hope it doesn't just stop the day the album is released.

― StanM, Monday, 12 March 2007 22:41 (eighteen years ago)

Love that chip removal site!

― ledge, Monday, 12 March 2007 23:53 (eighteen years ago)

two weeks pass...

Brilliant! A whole bunch of people who are looking for more information, based on the clues they're getting, suddenly got this message, without ever filling in their email addresses:

from
Bureau of Morality - Year 0000Search<DCS1000@thepriceoftreason.net>
to (my e-mail address)
date 26 Mar 2007 22:36:05 -0700
subject YOU HAVE BEEN IDENTIFIED AS UN-AMERICAN
mailed-by thepriceoftreason.net

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ATTENTION!

The Bureau of Morality has identified you as A CONSUMER OF DISSIDENT MATERIAL.

This is a one time warning. Any further attempts to view, consume, or distribute un-american content will result in the loss of citizenship increments and/or the imposition of fines, penalties, or imprisonment.

You have choices. Make the RIGHT ones.

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― StanM, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 06:06 (eighteen years ago)

Heard "Survival" on the radio yesterday. Eh.

― HI DERE, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 16:40 (eighteen years ago)

It's a terrible choice for a first single, just awful. I have no idea what he/the label was thinking.

― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 17:07 (eighteen years ago)

LOL

http://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=69841

― StanM, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 06:27 (eighteen years ago)

Haha! I downloaded a very fake version of this album.

― The Reverend, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 06:44 (eighteen years ago)

more shitty NIN albums?...

[faked enthusiasm] WOOOT! SIGN ME UP! [/faked enthusiasm]

― wesley useche, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 06:49 (eighteen years ago)

the real thing is leaking at the moment, apparently.

― StanM, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 06:54 (eighteen years ago)

Yeah. Seems like the better songs were the ones not leaked. Then again, I'm no big NIN fan.

― Harpal, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 07:37 (eighteen years ago)

This is quite great, actually. I didn't expect this. Impressive, Reznor.

― Harpal, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 07:49 (eighteen years ago)

the real thing is leaking at the moment, apparently.

-- StanM, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 06:54 (1 hour ago)

where

― latebloomer, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 08:35 (eighteen years ago)

d3m0n01d

― StanM, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 08:37 (eighteen years ago)

thank you!

― latebloomer, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 08:41 (eighteen years ago)

I don't have high hopes, With Teeth was rotten ('rotten'... get it?).

― chap, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 17:40 (eighteen years ago)

I wasn't a fan of With Teeth either, but this is a totally different "animal."

― Harpal, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 19:15 (eighteen years ago)

i like this so far (8 tracks in)! i mean of course i would, i'm a diehard fan, but i totally dig the production. it's a lot noisier and more sonically interesting than With Teeth.

― latebloomer, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 21:22 (eighteen years ago)

it sounds kind of like an aggro version of a DFA-produced album

― latebloomer, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 22:19 (eighteen years ago)

Year Zero AKA Land of 1000 Bit-crushed Drums

caveat: the last half of the great destroyer sounds kind of like a vex'd track and that's pretty fucking cool.

― The Macallan 18 Year, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 22:38 (eighteen years ago)

Listening to it now on streaming - I take it back, it's actually quite good. Getting a bit of a Depeche Mode vibe.

― chap, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 23:27 (eighteen years ago)

damn this sucks :/

― chaki, Thursday, 5 April 2007 01:37 (eighteen years ago)

the album's being streamed at the site:

http://yearzero.nin.com/

― latebloomer, Thursday, 5 April 2007 02:45 (eighteen years ago)

Thanks for that stream link!

and OTM about the production.

― StanM, Thursday, 5 April 2007 06:47 (eighteen years ago)

I like the griminess of it, but it gets a bit samey by the end. A few more hooks would be nice. Better than the last one, anyway.

― chap, Thursday, 5 April 2007 12:24 (eighteen years ago)

it gets a bit samey by the end

the dethtrap of concept albums, innit?

really want to see some of this performed live, though

― The Macallan 18 Year, Thursday, 5 April 2007 17:13 (eighteen years ago)

this album has some of the worst guitar tones ive ever heard. di he get those buddyhead douches that were in the touring band to play on the album? these riffs are like dead in the water.

― chaki, Thursday, 5 April 2007 17:51 (eighteen years ago)

No, most of it was done by himself and then electronically sequenced and stuff. Only a couple of guest bits (backing vocals by Saul Williams, some drum parts by Josh Freese)

― StanM, Thursday, 5 April 2007 18:25 (eighteen years ago)

backing vocals by Saul Williams

You mean from ILX?

― Jordan, Thursday, 5 April 2007 18:27 (eighteen years ago)

If this is he, then yes:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saul_Williams

― StanM, Thursday, 5 April 2007 18:28 (eighteen years ago)

capital g is embarrassing.

― chaki, Thursday, 5 April 2007 18:35 (eighteen years ago)

Saul Stacey Williams is most known for his blend of spoken word poetry and hip-hop. Williams is also known for his leading role in the independent film Slam. He is also a vegan.

Ha, is that really the thirt most important thing about him?

― Jordan, Thursday, 5 April 2007 18:43 (eighteen years ago)

Yeah! Does he want hen fap or not is what we want to know!

(also: Capital G is rumored to be the next single, based on this sticker:

http://i7.tinypic.com/2u4oavp.jpg )

― StanM, Thursday, 5 April 2007 18:48 (eighteen years ago)

Saul probably wants tofu fap :-(

― StanM, Thursday, 5 April 2007 18:53 (eighteen years ago)

Man... this campaign + those code breaking fans... wow.

"does this sound like morse to anyone?"
"where?"
"these ten seconds in that one track"
"hold on, will check"

and yep, new site.

http://www.echoingthesound.org/phpbbx/viewtopic.php?t=22508

― StanM, Thursday, 5 April 2007 21:33 (eighteen years ago)

capital g is embarrassing.

The chorus is alright, but those weird inflections on the verses..NO, BAD TRENT, STOP IT. His voice isn't the most pleasant sounding instrument, he shouldn't try and get all flashy with it.

― chap, Thursday, 5 April 2007 23:14 (eighteen years ago)

i wish they were doing this viral marketing thing when i was into the band. i was probably nerdy/obsessive enough to get really into it.

― circa1916, Thursday, 5 April 2007 23:38 (eighteen years ago)

nerdy/obsessive

you rang?

― StanM, Friday, 6 April 2007 09:00 (eighteen years ago)

I'm hearing AC/DC in "The Beginning of the End" which is … nice actually

― Brakhage, Friday, 6 April 2007 19:17 (eighteen years ago)

one of the songs (can't remember which) reminds me of a michael jackson song (can't remember which one)

― funny farm, Friday, 6 April 2007 19:19 (eighteen years ago)

you know...this isn't half bad, actually

― stephen, Friday, 6 April 2007 19:35 (eighteen years ago)

Warnings from the future are coming very fast now:

Hidden vocals in The Great Destroyer lead to new site that contains a disturbing video

― StanM, Saturday, 7 April 2007 19:19 (eighteen years ago)

Hmm, so I got the album last saturday and first spins are a bit on the boring side. A step down from 'With Teeth' in terms of hooks. But I still need to listen to this a few more times.

― baaderonixx, Monday, 16 April 2007 14:11 (eighteen years ago)

ok. listen to "capital g" and then listen to mj's "way you make me feel".

― funny farm, Monday, 16 April 2007 21:39 (eighteen years ago)

This is quite good, isn't it?

― The Reverend, Saturday, 28 April 2007 09:32 (eighteen years ago)

Need to wait until payday to snag it but everyone I've talked to who's heard it loves it.

― Ned Raggett, Saturday, 28 April 2007 12:32 (eighteen years ago)

Yeah, this is fucking awesome.

― HI DERE, Saturday, 28 April 2007 12:51 (eighteen years ago)

Just answer me this -- is "Survivalism" the worst track on the album?

― Ned Raggett, Saturday, 28 April 2007 12:51 (eighteen years ago)

yes, ned, it is. it's the only one i skipped over on all three full listens i've given it.

this is very very good! me i'm not, vessel and the great destroyer in particular.

― Emily Bjurnhjam, Saturday, 28 April 2007 13:45 (eighteen years ago)

Only made it through a few songs before I deleted forever...

― Rev, Saturday, 28 April 2007 14:30 (eighteen years ago)

forever?! nooooooooooooo

― latebloomer, Saturday, 28 April 2007 14:39 (eighteen years ago)

I'm having a hard time convincing myself to listen to this. Maybe it's because I'm not sixteen anymore, I couldn't say. I should be getting my copy from the label shortly (along with the new QOTSA, omg omg).

― chris.steffen, Saturday, 28 April 2007 15:11 (eighteen years ago)

I'm totally digging this. Nice and noisy.

― Ivan, Saturday, 28 April 2007 16:16 (eighteen years ago)

Yeah, the "noisy new songs" sticker on the front is not misleading at all.

In retrospect "With Teeth" should have been all-disco, because it was only good when it was. [/xhuxk]

― The Reverend, Saturday, 28 April 2007 20:30 (eighteen years ago)

I would love to see Reznor try to make an upbeat disco album full of disturbingly over-sexual lyrics.

― chap, Sunday, 29 April 2007 16:51 (eighteen years ago)

"Survivalism" makes sense in the context of the album (but it is the weakest track).

― HI DERE, Sunday, 29 April 2007 17:56 (eighteen years ago)

"Survivalism" is awesome. What are you talking about.

I would love to see Reznor try to make an upbeat disco album full of disturbingly over-sexual lyrics.

Totally, and it would make a nice counterpiece to this (excellent) guitar album.

― The Reverend, Monday, 30 April 2007 03:34 (eighteen years ago)

I really like "In this Twilight" a lot. A LOT. I need to give the whole thing a listen properly though, it seems quite the concept piece.

― Trayce, Monday, 30 April 2007 05:25 (eighteen years ago)

I thought it may be amusing to post Nick's review of this. It amused me muchly. He wrote this on first listen.

Hyperpower!(!): more like his earlier, angrier stuff. Short track with a crap name, but good and noisy.

The Beginning of the End: Argh, if you start singing 'With-a Teeth-a!' I will fucking murder you. Why is he digitally processing his voice like that? Why?

Survivalism: Huh? Is he using a C64 now? This album is all over the place, there's no single common theme at all. Is he trying to sound like Green Day now? What the hell?

The Good Soldier: I have no idea what's going on anymore. This sounds like 80s MOR rock. I don't know if it's possible to hear a mullet, but damn hell if one isn't present here.

Vessle: Interesting backing, but oh no he's started singing again. He just said something about 'The same thing we've heard a hundred times before', and there we are! Why are you ruining good songs? Seriously, he sounds like he's reading the scrawled ramblings of a 16 year old, was he always like this and I never noticed? I'm far more interested in the music behind it, it sounds great and chaotic. This would be great to fuck to.

Me, I'm Not: Okay, this is more like it. I'm starting to think it might be the mixing, as with NINs previous stuff the vocals have been mixed at the same levels as the rest of the rest of the song, making the vocals more of an instrument than a focal point. This track is doing that, and while the lyrics are still the same old shit, it sounds good.

Capitol G: ... did he just nick some unfinished Avril Lavigne song and add distortion to it? I can only imagine a bald, buff Trent dancing like Britney Spears to this. Oh hell. Okay, it's getting better. Wail that guitar, man! Wail it for all the boys everywhere.

My Violent Heart: Okay this is good. No, wait, this kicks fucking ass. Turn that chaos way up, that's the way we like it! Order had it's day, now it's time to smash a guitar over it's head and throw it down the stairs.

The Warning: Yeah. Hell yeah. Nevermind that it sounds like an almost identical track on The Fragile, just stick with this.

God Given: Dammit, what did I just say? Okay, now we're getting somewhere. Oh, and it's finished.

Meet Your Master: So far so good, although it sounds like a song you'd sing at a pub after a paticularily rousing match of the football, mug of cheap domestic lazily hanging from an outstretched fist.

The Greater Good: Is that a hip-hop beat? Oh good, it was going to something. That could have ended up bad. Wow, this is really good as a background. Mmm, nice.

The Great Destroyer: Oh god, nearing sensory overload here. I can't work out where to listen, and I love it.

Another Version of the Truth: Calm. I want more of this, it can only be calm before a hellstorm of fire. BRING IT ON!

In This Twilight: And sounds like I was right. Brilliant. Keep going, you're almost there. Tease. We're here. And just like that, it's over.

― Trayce, Wednesday, 2 May 2007 13:47 (eighteen years ago)

(he missed Zero Sum somehow but oh well)

― Trayce, Wednesday, 2 May 2007 13:48 (eighteen years ago)

the actual cd changes colors!

― latebloomer, Wednesday, 2 May 2007 13:52 (eighteen years ago)

Yeah, as if we don't remember Massive Attacks 90-98 singles box!

(but here it hides those binary codes that lead to another site in the story thingy)

― StanM, Wednesday, 2 May 2007 13:58 (eighteen years ago)

I think from "My Violent Heart" onwards, Nick's review is pretty much like mine!

― mh, Wednesday, 2 May 2007 14:14 (eighteen years ago)

What is with people hating on "Survivalism"? And how in the hell does it sound like Green Day?

― The Reverend, Wednesday, 2 May 2007 15:15 (eighteen years ago)

The Green Day thing I don't get. But it's just a very ugly, lumpy song -- hate the chorus.

― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 2 May 2007 15:19 (eighteen years ago)

Of course it's ugly! That's what's great about it. And the chorus is so weird and unexpected and out-of-nowhere. It's great.

(Sidenote: Who's the muhfuck who decided that "weird" should be spelt "e" before "i"? Really.)

― The Reverend, Wednesday, 2 May 2007 15:27 (eighteen years ago)

I don't really like "Survivalism" but it's slowly growing on me. it does seem like a weird choice for a single, but it's doing well at radio, and seems kind of in step with previous NIN lead singles like "Wish" and "March of the Pigs".

― Alex in Baltimore, Wednesday, 2 May 2007 15:37 (eighteen years ago)

I hadn't thought about it comparison to those singles but I can kinda see that, yeah. But it really left me dissatisfied compared to everything else I've heard from the album so far, like this was something done on the fly as a demo. When I heard it was supposed to be the lead single I seriously thought someone somewhere at the label had gone deaf.

― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 2 May 2007 15:40 (eighteen years ago)

I didn't say I didn't like "Survivalism"! I said it was weak in comparison to the rest of the tracks.

― HI DERE, Wednesday, 2 May 2007 15:41 (eighteen years ago)

survivalism sounds like a wire ripoff, not old wire, wire of a couple years ago ("send" ep)

― daria-g, Wednesday, 2 May 2007 15:42 (eighteen years ago)

survivalism sounds like a wire ripoff, not old wire, wire of a couple years ago ("send" ep)

If only...

― baaderonixx, Wednesday, 2 May 2007 15:53 (eighteen years ago)

bump for ned

― stet, Sunday, 6 May 2007 20:13 (eighteen years ago)

Bump a dump.

Having heard the album at last: "I liked it. It was much better than Operation: Mindcrime. I'm going to listen to it again and again."

― Ned Raggett, Sunday, 6 May 2007 21:06 (eighteen years ago)

Yeah I am quite liking this album too, esp the last 2 tracks.

― Trayce, Sunday, 6 May 2007 22:08 (eighteen years ago)

(test)

― StanM, Monday, 14 May 2007 07:57 (eighteen years ago)

http://www.nin.com/tr/default.aspx

Posted on (05_13_2007)

As the climate grows more and more desperate for record labels, their answer to their mostly self-inflicted wounds seems to be to screw the consumer over even more. A couple of examples that quickly come to mind:

* The ABSURD retail pricing of Year Zero in Australia. Shame on you, UMG. Year Zero is selling for $34.99 Australian dollars ($29.10 US). No wonder people steal music. Avril Lavigne's record in the same store was $21.99 ($18.21 US).
By the way, when I asked a label rep about this his response was: "It's because we know you have a real core audience that will pay whatever it costs when you put something out - you know, true fans. It's the pop stuff we have to discount to get people to buy."
So... I guess as a reward for being a "true fan" you get ripped off.

* The dreaded EURO Maxi-single. Nothing but a consumer rip-off that I've been talked into my whole career. No more.

The point is, I am trying my best to make sure the music and items NIN puts in the marketplace have value, substance and are worth you considering purchasing. I am not allowing Capital G to be repackaged into several configurations that result in you getting ripped off.

We are planning a full-length remix collection of substance that will be announced soon.

― StanM, Monday, 14 May 2007 07:57 (eighteen years ago)

I was going to post that whole text in italics because I didn't write it, but I got "an error has occurred" three times in a row. Hence the (test) post.

― StanM, Monday, 14 May 2007 07:59 (eighteen years ago)

Story I got from friends about NIN:

NIN played in Melbourne last night. After having already canned one Sydney show for reasons unknown but possibly trent throwing a hissy, they were some way thru last nights gig, someone was shouting shit at Trent during "Hurt", so he cut the gig short and walked off stage.

Mmm. Impressive.

― Trayce, Monday, 14 May 2007 09:33 (eighteen years ago)

Someone *always* shouts during Hurt, and he's always angry, but this is a first, as far as I know.

(he cut short Hurt, the band played one more song (the hand that feeds) after that, but they didn't play Head like a Hole, the traditional final song)

― StanM, Monday, 14 May 2007 09:42 (eighteen years ago)

You know what's impressive? The fact he only left after all of this shouting:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AnX_UPfoy-s

― StanM, Monday, 14 May 2007 10:02 (eighteen years ago)

i don't usually step in and slam bands that other people obviously enjoy, but surely nin don't have anything to offer anyone over the age of 16.

by the way, i heard from a mate that the one sydney show they did wind up playing was absolutely fucking woeful.

― Charlie Howard, Monday, 14 May 2007 12:40 (eighteen years ago)

maybe we're young at heart!

― StanM, Monday, 14 May 2007 12:47 (eighteen years ago)

haha. that is fair enough, sir :)

― Charlie Howard, Monday, 14 May 2007 12:48 (eighteen years ago)

nah, i understand that response. as i was pretty much of that stance before i heard of this YZ stuff. it's still sorta dumb and angsty, but not nearly like it used to be.
which's probably why i enjoy this album more than the last 2.

― edde, Monday, 14 May 2007 16:20 (eighteen years ago)

maybe i'll give it a (brief) listen for interest's sake :)

i just sort of think that trent's at that age now, where even if he is still completely down in the dumps, he should have found new means to channel his suffering in a more constructive, mature way. i mean, there's a good reason most people tend to grow out of his music.

sort of has a bit of a jaymz hetfield factor happening with him.

― Charlie Howard, Monday, 14 May 2007 16:28 (eighteen years ago)

you've never met an old or middle-aged person who had a lot of misplaced rage or inarticulate anger? it's not some condition unique to tantrum-throwing teenagers, why do people act like you can only listen to something like NIN seriously when you're 15? that said, NIN doesn't have much emotional resonance for me and I take the lyrics with a grain of salt, but the music/production offers plenty of reasons to listen even if you're too "grown up" for the sentiments.

― Alex in Baltimore, Monday, 14 May 2007 16:36 (eighteen years ago)

i have met a bunch of old, middle-aged types with misplaced rage or inarticulate anger. it's a common enough phenomenon, but in fairness they've had more of an opportunity to come to terms with it and overcome it than confused teenagers, whose lack of life experience confines their means to express themselves in a well-directed fashion.

i'd actually accuse maynard from tool of having the same angst complex as trent if i hadn't read interviews where he'd been insightful and humourous. so i guess anguished vocals and lyrics can create an all too convenient avenue for pigeon-holing and defining people's characters.

and yeah, the music/production is fine. not of much interest to me. but accomplished.

― Charlie Howard, Monday, 14 May 2007 17:07 (eighteen years ago)

zzzzzz

― latebloomer, Monday, 14 May 2007 17:24 (eighteen years ago)

Tags Trent Reznor hissy fit

― latebloomer, Monday, 14 May 2007 17:27 (eighteen years ago)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJYBx5NJULY

― latebloomer, Monday, 14 May 2007 17:27 (eighteen years ago)

one month passes...

http://www.snopes.com/photos/natural/godhands.asp

― StanM, Wednesday, 20 June 2007 07:23 (eighteen years ago)

hahahahaha!

― latebloomer, Wednesday, 20 June 2007 07:58 (eighteen years ago)

LOL! Whats it got to do with NIN though? *confused*

― Trayce, Wednesday, 20 June 2007 10:01 (eighteen years ago)

just the cover art, nothing else.

― StanM, Wednesday, 20 June 2007 10:06 (eighteen years ago)

(there's this whole "it's the Hand Of God" theory behind the whole thing, long story - http://www.ninwiki.com/Main_Page )

― StanM, Wednesday, 20 June 2007 10:07 (eighteen years ago)

Yeah that occurred to me soon as I posted. Ive only now just watched the Metro gig hissyfit too, geeez. Don't blame him for that one at all. It was lovely hearing everyone else singing along though. Apparently the next nights gig was way better and my friend L scored the tambourine :) She had to fight some guy viciously for it and copped a bruised arm and got bitten (!).

― Trayce, Wednesday, 20 June 2007 10:17 (eighteen years ago)

lol it's goatse

― rockapads, Wednesday, 20 June 2007 16:51 (eighteen years ago)

Aww, the snopes article mentions the similarity at the bottom.

By the way, I liked this album when I first heard it, but after listening to it about 10 times I have no desire to hear it again.

― rockapads, Wednesday, 20 June 2007 16:53 (eighteen years ago)

similarity at the bottom

teehee

― latebloomer, Wednesday, 20 June 2007 17:13 (eighteen years ago)

I kind of hate listening to this album all at once but the individual songs in isolation are great!

― HI DERE, Wednesday, 20 June 2007 17:27 (eighteen years ago)

It is overlong.

― The Reverend, Wednesday, 20 June 2007 17:38 (eighteen years ago)

love it. esp 'the warning'

― 6335, Wednesday, 20 June 2007 21:37 (eighteen years ago)

one month passes...

...does anyone agree that Year Zero is one of the best albums of 07 thus far...?

(because i think it is)

― stephen, Wednesday, 15 August 2007 23:46 (eighteen years ago)

just noticed this upthread, from a track-by-track review...

Vessel: (...) This would be great to fuck to.
-- Trayce, Wednesday, May 2, 2007 1:47 PM (3 months ago) Bookmark Link

that is EXAACTLY what i thought the first time i heard this one! still do actually :o !!

― stephen, Wednesday, 15 August 2007 23:50 (eighteen years ago)

vessel's my favorite track on this by far

― latebloomer, Thursday, 16 August 2007 00:32 (eighteen years ago)

one month passes...

And that's it. Tour over in a couple of days, and that show in Hawaii will also be the final performance from this incarnation of the live band, apparently.

http://starbulletin.com/2007/09/14/features/story05.html

― StanM, Monday, 17 September 2007 06:34 (eighteen years ago)

Relevant bit:

Speaking by phone Wednesday from somewhere between gigs in Seoul and Hong Kong, Reznor was low-key, firm but accommodating.
And he had some unexpected news to tell.
"YOU ARE getting the last show of the current incarnation of the band."
Although Reznor's touring band of drummer Josh Freese, guitarist Aaron North, bassist Jeordie White and keyboardist Alessandro Cortini are excellent support players, "at this point, I want to switch things around a bit. Nine Inch Nails as a rock band configuration, we've done it and we've done it again. I see other ways I can present the material in concert, more challenging, something new. I don't want it to go stale."

― StanM, Monday, 17 September 2007 06:34 (eighteen years ago)

I wonder if the bands they all left will take them back :-/

― StanM, Monday, 17 September 2007 06:37 (eighteen years ago)

should i go see them if i have a free ticket? i liked aaron north when he was in Icarus Line.

― gr8080, Monday, 17 September 2007 06:45 (eighteen years ago)

Yes, this is/was Reznor's best live band yet.

― StanM, Monday, 17 September 2007 06:47 (eighteen years ago)

Indeed, take the opportunity. Glad I caught 'em earlier this year.

― Ned Raggett, Monday, 17 September 2007 12:41 (eighteen years ago)

Fun game to play at a nine inch nails concert in honolulu: Spot The Aloha Shirts.

Three (Two of them were on NIN roadies, the third on a very excited fan)

― gr8080, Wednesday, 19 September 2007 18:40 (eighteen years ago)

So, good show? Did he say anything memorable?

― StanM, Wednesday, 19 September 2007 18:42 (eighteen years ago)

setlist & stuff:

http://www.echoingthesound.org/phpbbx/viewtopic.php?t=26946

― StanM, Wednesday, 19 September 2007 18:46 (eighteen years ago)

he didnt say anything for about an hour and fifteen minutes.

he briefly acknowledged that it was their "first and last date" on their US tour.

later when he introduced the band it sounded like he started to say something thoughtful about it being their last show together, but just said "you never know...you never know..." and trailed off.

he told a story about NIN's last time in Hawaii back in 94 too.

Also I'm pretty gay for Aaron North.

― gr8080, Wednesday, 19 September 2007 19:09 (eighteen years ago)

oh lil goth

― Curt1s Stephens, Wednesday, 19 September 2007 23:17 (eighteen years ago)

two weeks pass...

http://nin.com/

08 October 2007: Big News
Hello everyone. I've waited a LONG time to be able to make the
following announcement: as of right now Nine Inch Nails is a totally
free agent, free of any recording contract with any label. I have
been under recording contracts for 18 years and have watched the
business radically mutate from one thing to something inherently very
different and it gives me great pleasure to be able to finally have a
direct relationship with the audience as I see fit and appropriate.
Look for some announcements in the near future regarding 2008.
Exciting times, indeed.

posted by Trent Reznor at 10:45 AM.

― StanM, Monday, 8 October 2007 20:18 (eighteen years ago)

"Oh and we'd like to announce the innovative practice of announcing an album ten days before...DAMN!"

― Ned Raggett, Monday, 8 October 2007 20:27 (eighteen years ago)

Yeah, The Macallan 18 Year, Monday, October 1, 2007 8:41 AM (1 week ago) OTM

"the real question is how will Trent Reznor respond"

Radiohead - In Rainbows

― StanM, Monday, 8 October 2007 20:31 (eighteen years ago)

LOL

― stephen, Monday, 8 October 2007 21:51 (eighteen years ago)

one month passes...

Let us anticipate the remix disc:

---

# Gunshots By Computer: Saul Williams
# The Great Destroyer: Modwheelmood
# My Violent Heart: Pirate Robot Midget
# The Beginning Of The End: Ladytron
# Survivalism: Saul Williams
# Capital G: Epworth Phones
# Vessel: Bill Laswell
# The Warning: Stefan Foodchild Feat. Doudou N'diaye Rose
# Meet Your Master: The Faint
# God Given: Stephen Morris & Gillian Gilbert
# Me, I'm Not: Olof Dreijer (The Knife)
# Another Version Of The Truth: Kronos Quartet & Enrique Gonzalez Müller
# In This Twilight: Fennesz
# Zero Sum: Stephen Morris & Gillian Gilbert

Who the fuck let Laswell in there, is what I want to know.

― Ned Raggett, Friday, 9 November 2007 05:39 (eighteen years ago)

Pirate Robot Midget?

― Whiney G. Weingarten, Friday, 9 November 2007 05:41 (eighteen years ago)

Is that a band of sixth graders in gifted class?

― Whiney G. Weingarten, Friday, 9 November 2007 05:41 (eighteen years ago)

Mike Patton's greatest triumph!

― Ned Raggett, Friday, 9 November 2007 05:50 (eighteen years ago)

Who the fuck let Laswell in there, is what I want to know.

Some Laswell remixes (see: the Painkiller "Execution Ground" remixes) are amazing. Others (see: "Emerald Aether") are awful. I could see him remixing NiN fairly deftly.

― novaheat, Friday, 9 November 2007 05:55 (eighteen years ago)

Although I guess "Emerald Aether" wasn't really so much a remix as a proper album. Or a plane crash with no survivors.

― novaheat, Friday, 9 November 2007 05:56 (eighteen years ago)

Well, if nothing else, you can make your own:

The actual title of this album is Y34RZ3R0R3M1X3D. The DVD-Rom contains every track from Year Zero in multi-track format (Mac and PC). Perhaps for the first time, the master multi-tracks for every recording on a major album are being made available to the public. The tracks are pre-formatted for Apple GarageBand and Ableton Live (Mac or PC). The DVD-ROM also adds the demo version of Ableton Live (Mac or PC) and generic WAVE files at 16 bit 44K that can be loaded into any audio editor.

― Ned Raggett, Friday, 9 November 2007 06:00 (eighteen years ago)

What I hope and presume this means -- yes, it's *your* chance for Trent Reznor a capellas to be mashed-up over dink-synth-pop loops. Be on the cutting edge of 2001!

― Ned Raggett, Friday, 9 November 2007 06:01 (eighteen years ago)

I admire the guy for everything but his (recent) music.

― Simon H., Friday, 9 November 2007 06:07 (eighteen years ago)

Hopefully it's pulled off better than that Nurse With Wound "remix it yourself" experiment.

― novaheat, Friday, 9 November 2007 08:07 (eighteen years ago)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Y34RZ3R0R3M1X3D

L34K3D.

― StanM, Wednesday, 14 November 2007 12:26 (eighteen years ago)

Still on Interscope, so no innovative release experiments like he did with Saul Williams or anti-label f*ck you like he did with the Broken and Closure DVD torrents - according to that wikipedia article this is the final contractual obligation before he left.

― StanM, Wednesday, 14 November 2007 12:31 (eighteen years ago)

# Zero Sum: Stephen Morris & Gillian Gilbert

?!?

― baaderonixx, Wednesday, 14 November 2007 12:53 (eighteen years ago)

according to that wikipedia article this is the final contractual obligation before he left.

Still, there are some decent-to-exciting names in that list (Fennesz!) and I must admit I'm looking forward to fiddling around with the multitracks. Hopefully this will turn out closer to Further Down the Spiral than Things Fall Apart.

― Telephone thing, Wednesday, 14 November 2007 13:18 (eighteen years ago)

track 11 (very minimalistic) : 14 minutes!

01. Guns By Computer (Saul Williams) (1:43)
02. The Great Destroyer (Modwheelmood) (4:19)
03. My Violent Heart (Pirate Robot Midget) (2:34)
04. The Beginning of the End (Ladytron) (4:20)
05. Survivalism (Saul Williams) (4:19)
06. Capital G (Epworth Phones) (7:26)
07. Vessel (Bill Laswell) (6:10)
08. The Warning (Stefan Goodchild Featuring Doudou N'Diaye Rose) (3:43)
09. Meet Your Master (The Faint) (3:35)
10. God Given (Stephen Morris and Gillian Gilbert) (4:27)
11. Me, I'm Not (Olof Dreijer) (14:00)
12. Another Version of the Truth (Kronos Quartet and Enrique Gonzalez Muller) (4:25)
13. In This Twilight (Fennesz) (4:37)
14. Zero-Sum (Stephen Morris and Gillian Gilbert) (5:38)

― StanM, Wednesday, 14 November 2007 13:29 (eighteen years ago)

Okay I am totally geeked that half of New Order is remixing some of this stuff.

I listened to Year Zero again for the first time in several months and it actually clicked! I was pleasantly surprised.

― HI DERE, Wednesday, 14 November 2007 15:36 (eighteen years ago)

ok, this is pretty great.

― StanM, Wednesday, 14 November 2007 20:10 (eighteen years ago)

Lol, Universal.

http://www.nin.com/index.html#1125746261486643743

― StanM, Tuesday, 20 November 2007 20:40 (eighteen years ago)

(in short: letting fans download the individual tracks of his songs for remixing is okay, hosting the fans' remixes is a DMCA violation, so the remix site stays offline)

go trent.

― StanM, Tuesday, 20 November 2007 20:44 (eighteen years ago)

one month passes...

Picked up the remix disc, like it well enough so far. Pirate Robot Midget of "My Violent Heart" = pretty good!

― Ned Raggett, Monday, 14 January 2008 16:29 (eighteen years ago)

eight months pass...

So I've been playing the shit out of this remix disc because it is mind-bogglingly superior to the original album on almost every level. "The Great Destroyer" and "Capital G" on here are so fucking tough.

― Like sicking a little bit of water into my mouth (HI DERE), Tuesday, 7 October 2008 21:25 (seventeen years ago)

I need to give it a relisten. Great way to kiss off the majors at least.

― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 7 October 2008 21:34 (seventeen years ago)

i never heard this but i downloaded a 24GB Nine Inch Nails file with everything you can imagine on it.Took about 2 months to get it all.They were amazing in concert this time around but didn't draw a very big crowd.Glad i went.Anyway i'm on to listen to the remix thing.

― captain groovy, Tuesday, 7 October 2008 23:09 (seventeen years ago)

one month passes...

more people need to listen to this remix album to revel in its glory with me

I will freely admit the original version of "God Given" is way more effective, though

― Black Seinfeld (HI DERE), Friday, 21 November 2008 21:10 (seventeen years ago)

Year Zero is my least favorite NIN album and I don't care about the remixers on this. Should I bother anyway?

― dumb pseud (some dude), Friday, 21 November 2008 21:28 (seventeen years ago)

eight months pass...

several months later, but YES (esp. "The Great Destroyer" and "Capital G")

― Four-TEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEN! (HI DERE), Monday, 3 August 2009 15:51 (sixteen years ago)

three months pass...

so a random song came on the Last.fm station I created based on my Sony music festival and I am sitting here going "who is this super cool A Perfect Circle tribute band, this is a v v pretty song" and it is Modwheelmood, the dudes who did my favorite remix on the Year Zero remix album

― a Barbie-like nub where he provates should be (HI DERE), Thursday, 12 November 2009 21:32 (sixteen years ago)

ten months pass...

Trent Reznor says HBO and BBC Worldwide Productions are moving forward with the development of “Year Zero,” the grim sci-fi epic that Reznor has chronicled in his music as well as in a celebrated Alternate Reality Game (ARG).
“We are in [the development phase of] pre-production with HBO and BBC [Worldwide Productions] to do a miniseries,” Reznor said Monday. “It’s exciting. I probably shouldn’t say too much about it except that I understand that there’s a thousand hurdles before anything shows up in your TV listing. It’s been an interesting and very educational process and it cleared the HBO hurdle a few months ago and now we’re writing drafts back and forth. So it’s very much alive and incubating at the moment.”

http://herocomplex.latimes.com/2010/09/28/trent-reznor-and-hbo-moving-forward-with-year-zero-sci-fi-series/

― James Mitchell, Thursday, 30 September 2010 11:36 (fifteen years ago)

nine years pass...

btw this album is great

― brigadier pudding (DJP), Thursday, 17 October 2019 17:10 (six years ago)

Yes! I always had a soft spot for Capital G even though it’s dated af lyrically now but My Violent Heart and Survivalism are still up there.

― gyac, Thursday, 17 October 2019 17:19 (six years ago)

Also, The Great Destroyer

― brigadier pudding (DJP), Thursday, 17 October 2019 17:27 (six years ago)

The Fennesz remix of In This Twilight is all time for me. Should have been the version on the album proper imho

― octobeard, Saturday, 19 October 2019 21:43 (six years ago)

Yeah I think I liked the remix album better than the original

― licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Sunday, 20 October 2019 06:49 (six years ago)

five years pass...

This remix album tho

― our beloved RIFF LORD (DJP), Wednesday, 3 September 2025 12:26 (five months ago)

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NIN -- _Year Zero_