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― billstevejim (billstevejim), Friday, 12 January 2007 23:02 (nineteen years ago)

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Simply Groovy!

― jambalaya backgammon (grady), Friday, 12 January 2007 23:12 (nineteen years ago)

― Tape Store (Tape Store), Friday, 12 January 2007 23:16 (nineteen years ago)

???

Acid Jazzed Evening

Tempest/Damage

― Tape Store (Tape Store), Friday, 12 January 2007 23:17 (nineteen years ago)

Nelly Furtado is Portuguese... that explains the stealing :D

― and what (ooo), Friday, 12 January 2007 23:40 (nineteen years ago)

another thieving portuguese!

― s1ocki (slutsky), Friday, 12 January 2007 23:45 (nineteen years ago)

is that even a popular stereotype?

― s1ocki (slutsky), Friday, 12 January 2007 23:50 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, this is news to me. I need to keep up on my slurs.

― Adam Beales (Pye Poudre), Friday, 12 January 2007 23:53 (nineteen years ago)

timbaland stole my track "promiscuous girl"

― Confounded (Confounded), Friday, 12 January 2007 23:59 (nineteen years ago)

you stole my track promiscuous grill

― cutty (mcutt), Saturday, 13 January 2007 00:04 (nineteen years ago)

You say that like Nelly Furtado is some kind of gang-banging MC Lyte. The original song sounds just fine to backup a style like hers.
You say that like Nelly Furtado is some kind of gang-banging MC Lyte. The original song sounds just fine to backup a style like hers.
You say that like Nelly Furtado is some kind of gang-banging MC Lyte. The original song sounds just fine to backup a style like hers.
You say that like Nelly Furtado is some kind of gang-banging MC Lyte. The original song sounds just fine to backup a style like hers.
You say that like Nelly Furtado is some kind of gang-banging MC Lyte. The original song sounds just fine to backup a style like hers.
You say that like Nelly Furtado is some kind of gang-banging MC Lyte. The original song sounds just fine to backup a style like hers.
You say that like Nelly Furtado is some kind of gang-banging MC Lyte. The original song sounds just fine to backup a style like hers.

― max (maxreax), Saturday, 13 January 2007 00:08 (nineteen years ago)

Timbaland is still splendid I would love to rub his tummy and feed him grapes.

― Rowlando for the kidz (Sam Rowlands), Saturday, 13 January 2007 12:15 (nineteen years ago)

fetish freak

― kumkum (daddy warbuxx), Saturday, 13 January 2007 13:05 (nineteen years ago)

the grapes better be stolen from a finnish teenager else he won't eat them.

― GOD PUNCH TO HAWKWIND (yournullfame), Saturday, 13 January 2007 13:21 (nineteen years ago)

I domt care if Timbaland stole one song his discography still makes me wanna peel grapes for him furiously.. Ooh that tummy!

― Rowlando for the kidz (Sam Rowlands), Saturday, 13 January 2007 14:08 (nineteen years ago)

The label woudl probably just settle out of court after that whole NWA 3 seconds thing.

― Savin All My Love 4 u (Savin 4ll my (heart) 4u), Monday, 15 January 2007 06:20 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.hhv.de/images/cover5/4339.jpg

― and what (ooo), Monday, 15 January 2007 19:20 (nineteen years ago)

really, this is outrageous. Give the finnish kid his money.

― Matthew E. Armstrong (gensu3k1), Monday, 15 January 2007 20:51 (nineteen years ago)

haha now i'm picturing timbaland surfing .mod tracker sites and chugging on a 2L thing of kool aid at like 4 in the morning

― m@p (plosive), Monday, 15 January 2007 20:55 (nineteen years ago)

and smoking kools. don't forget the kools.

― the table is the table (treesessplode), Monday, 15 January 2007 23:34 (nineteen years ago)

that's both entirely racist and yet totally otm

― tony conrad schnitzler (sanskrit), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 00:41 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M4KX7SkDe4Q&mode=related&search=

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wV2fTEeP6GM&mode=related&search=

― m@p (plosive), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 00:46 (nineteen years ago)

that's fucked up cause it's obviously theft. Timmy should cop to it and do a colabo with the guy that made the song first.

― kevin says relax (daddy warbuxx), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 06:06 (nineteen years ago)

doode thats why its called fucking sample, stupid, kanye does that to, outkast, missy elliot, and MANY DJ's, why the fuck are you caring about this
?

― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Tuesday, 16 January 2007 06:16 (nineteen years ago)

doesn't everyone in virginia smoke kools??

― vahid (vahid), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 06:39 (nineteen years ago)

― Susan Douglas (Susan Douglas), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 06:46 (nineteen years ago)

the songs shit, who cares?

― micarl (micarl), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 07:43 (nineteen years ago)

This story is bullshit.

Basically you have one very clichéd bassline progression with a similar but not identical melody - most people who have composed their own songs and have tried to be catchy or poppy will hear similair sounding progressions and melodies in commercial music which resemble their own compositions.

― Chewshabadoo (Chewshabadoo), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 11:26 (nineteen years ago)

Chewy, did you hear the ringtone thing? (m@p's 2nd U-toob link) It's pretty damning. All it is is that guy's track (with the original synth melody intact) with drums added on top.

― The Reverend Rodney J. Greene is false metal! (R. J. Greene), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 16:40 (nineteen years ago)

yeah that youtube link doesn't really make its case very convincingly. the most damning issue isn't the melody but that weird fluttery 8-bit sample, which is so identical as to be a sample and therefore strongly suggests that timbaland actually did hear the original trk somewhere

― m@p (plosive), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 16:43 (nineteen years ago)

the synth is pretty close. haven't listened long enough to have an idea about the chords. the original synth thing doesn't seem to have the voice melody, though.
I would say it's like sampling. in which case the author of the original synth line should still get some credits !

― AleXTC (AleXTC), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 16:44 (nineteen years ago)

most people who have composed their own songs and have tried to be catchy or poppy will hear similair sounding progressions and melodies in commercial music which resemble their own compositions.

Songs That Resemble Songs You Wrote But Never Released Because You Were Like 18 And Just Recorded on Cheap Tape Recorders, Anyway

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 16:46 (nineteen years ago)

I have little doubt that Timbo has sampled without giving credit and has taken credit for other people's work before (which is the case with pretty much every big time hip hop producer to some extent). But squabbling over little compositional elements is getting harder and harder, honestly I don't know if it's worth making an issue over any accusation of plagiarism unless it's a very specific identical sound or an entire song or chunk of lyrics.

― Alex in Baltimore (Alex in Baltimore), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 16:49 (nineteen years ago)

there are only 7 notes, after all... It's a miracle people can still come up with new melodies after centuries of composition !

― AleXTC (AleXTC), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 16:50 (nineteen years ago)

danjahands also had his danjahands in this production i understand

― deej.. (deej..), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 16:50 (nineteen years ago)

yeah there was a hilarious Billboard article a while back where Danjahands basically said "Timbaland's going to be on tour with Justin for the next few months...but I'm staying in the studio so there'll still be a lot of new Timbaland productions coming out this year." I really get the feeling that lately Timbo just comes in at the end of a session and beatboxes and sings corny hooks over whatever Danja does and calls it a day.

― Alex in Baltimore (Alex in Baltimore), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 16:54 (nineteen years ago)

The youtube thing makes them sound vastly different. The original bassline has more notes, and the songs are both sort of generic anyway. I only say I like the Finnish one more because it sounds like Junior Senior.

― Period period period (Period period period), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 16:55 (nineteen years ago)

there are only 7 notes, after all

― m@p (plosive), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 16:56 (nineteen years ago)

don't forget your flats and sharps

― m@p (plosive), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 16:57 (nineteen years ago)

ahah. yeah, yeah, I know. just wanted to make a simple efficient statement !
about Timbo, so you think he didn't do much in the furtado/JT/diddy etc albums ? it would be a myth crumbling for me as I love his work so much and especially what's he's done onver the last year...

― AleXTC (AleXTC), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 17:06 (nineteen years ago)

There are 12 notes in (most) western music

― deej.. (deej..), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 17:13 (nineteen years ago)

I dunno, obviously it'd be a lot harder for Timbaland to lay a lot of his workload on a ghost-producer than, say, Dre or Diddy, just because he has a really distinctive sound that involves a lot of his own vocals. but he does have a pretty public producing partner these days and those guys tend to do a lot of the heavy lifting even when their contributions are on the down low.

― Alex in Baltimore (Alex in Baltimore), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 17:14 (nineteen years ago)

the ringtone is identical he just put drums under it

its hard to tell with the nelly furtado song cuz of all the other shit on top of it but its clearly the same synth sound

big name producers straight up jacking shit that isnt an established pop song or signed to a label is nothing new, remember when bollywood dude sued dj quik over truth hurts?? or flip losing all the profits from game over?? especially since as i understand all the sounds in that videogame joint were made by a soundboard for the atari or whatever so theoretically timbaland coulda come up with that himself and itd sound the same

― and what (ooo), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 17:16 (nineteen years ago)

did you ever hear that 6-minute mp3 of tracks Timbaland sampled (mostly bollywood/world music stuff) that was circulating a couple years ago? it was like dozens of tracks that I never even realized were samples and I'm pretty sure most of them weren't credited in liner notes, or at least the ones I checked.

― Alex in Baltimore (Alex in Baltimore), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 17:19 (nineteen years ago)

weren't a lot of them doing that chucky thompson thing of samples-not-Samples, like replayed sections that are just different enough to avoid copyright problems

― deej.. (deej..), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 17:22 (nineteen years ago)

on the Timbaland thing I'm talking about? nah, they all sounded like direct samples to me, albeit buried in the mix with lots of other stuff like he usually does.

― Alex in Baltimore (Alex in Baltimore), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 17:25 (nineteen years ago)

yeah i had that timbaland mp3, there was a couple real obvious joints like the portishead track and the henry mancini that pete rock already used but the rest was like obscure as fuck indian shit and yeah alot of shit like ugly and raise up i just assumed was timb fucking around on a keyboard tryna make indian music, not a straight up loop - its like gin & juice/fortified live-level disappointing to hear the original joint

― and what (ooo), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 17:25 (nineteen years ago)

I remember I posted it on GN in like '04, maybe if I can find the file on my old laptop tonight I'll post it here. (xpost)

― Alex in Baltimore (Alex in Baltimore), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 17:26 (nineteen years ago)

i wonder how guru ended up using the same break as 'indian carpet' like a year later on 'in here' - did he hear timbs version & seek out the o.g. track or is this crazy shit just all passed around hardcore producer nerds & kept secret from regular fucks like us

― and what (ooo), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 17:26 (nineteen years ago)

its weird, you'd think with the internet it would be so much harder to keep shit like that a secret

― deej.. (deej..), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 17:27 (nineteen years ago)

Timbaland, diggin in the crates

― deej.. (deej..), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 17:29 (nineteen years ago)

people always throw around conspiracy theories when multiple producers use the same sample in the same time frame, but honestly I think a lot of these dudes usually stumble upon it simultaneously and aren't checking each other's album tracks for shit to jack on the low. aren't there stories about rare vinyl shops in NYC that are frequented by tons of cratedigging producers, and sometimes the clerks reccomend the same records to multiple producers?

― Alex in Baltimore (Alex in Baltimore), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 17:29 (nineteen years ago)

see thats why it fucks with me that hardcore production nerds like tim end up repping for garbage like the killers and shit - i can understand if youre like cassidy or whatever and the only music you hear is like other mixtape rappers + coldplay but tim obv fucks with a LOT of music & doesnt need to be slumming it like this - is it just a business decision??? obv you arent gonna end up doing mtv video award duets if you say all you listen to is moroccan dudes from the 60s or whatever

― and what (ooo), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 17:33 (nineteen years ago)

i dunno about the conincidence theory of sampling tho - what about straight up biters like trackmasters?

― and what (ooo), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 17:33 (nineteen years ago)

i dunno i think people like that who brag about their resume that often really do equate success with quality, so even if they have an ear for obscure shit, they're gonna reserve a lot of respect for other hugely successful artists. i mean, sure they fuck with Coldplay but they're not gonna rep for the hundreds of obscure indie bands that sound exactly like Coldplay.

(xpost yeah of course there's biters, but those are usually pretty easy to sniff out. but I mean, stuff like the "Shaft In Africa" controversy, that's just people making a mountain out of a molehill)

― Alex in Baltimore (Alex in Baltimore), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 17:36 (nineteen years ago)

i dunno what about the psa shit, who the fuck knew that record before the black moon joint & then blaze loops up the exact same break instead of the 3 or 4 other melodies on that long ass song

― and what (ooo), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 17:38 (nineteen years ago)

well that fits in with my "sneaky NYC record clerks" lone gunman theory.

― Alex in Baltimore (Alex in Baltimore), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 17:39 (nineteen years ago)

does new york really have record stores where dudes tell producers what obscure breaks to sample?? when i went to fat beats it took me like 5 minutes just to get the goofy white dude behind the counter to shut up about how 'awesome' the then-new paul wall album was to see if they had the beatminerz 12 with krumbsnatcha on it

― and what (ooo), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 17:43 (nineteen years ago)

and if this shit is always happening because of that wouldnt you think big-name producers like just blaze would stop following exact sampling instructions given by dude behind the counter

― and what (ooo), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 17:43 (nineteen years ago)

how is it really any different from 18 dudes dropping records based on a chunk of "impeach the president" in '87 or whatever, though? (is it just because hip-hop production has gotten more nuanced and complex over the last 20 years?)

― acid waffle house (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 17:44 (nineteen years ago)

see especially since blaze is an established backpacker dude who checks for like mf doom & copywrite and shit, i have no trouble believing he checked for the black moon before it even dropped & then found the record they used quick fast

xpost jess its cuz some records are 'classics' now & sampling them is just a tribute or a formalist thing or whatever, and some records are obscure enough that if you jack the same loop as somebody else youre biting

its like that long ass jay-z 'biter' mp3 where some of it is just like him quoting the hook from top billin or whatever but then theres like 16 bars identical to an obscure bun b verse

― and what (ooo), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 17:46 (nineteen years ago)

xpost:

also i would assume the fetishizing of current rock bands (notice how they're always the "epic" ones like killers/coldplay) has something to do with a studio nerd's fetish for the technical side of production and engineering. (see every studio rat i've ever known being in love with stuff like, i dunno, seals and croft.)

― acid waffle house (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 17:46 (nineteen years ago)

seals & croft are dope tho!!

― and what (ooo), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 17:47 (nineteen years ago)

haha well i know you think coldplay are too!

― acid waffle house (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 17:47 (nineteen years ago)

yeah theyre about equally dope

― and what (ooo), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 17:48 (nineteen years ago)

plus, yeah, i'm sure they wanna look like they're a.) paying attention to whatever's currently hot and b.) wouldn't mind some of that coldplay money. (not that there's gonna be any more money in coldplay than cassidy in a few years, but whatever.)

― acid waffle house (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 17:49 (nineteen years ago)

according to allhiphop cassidy actually started a n.e.r.d.-style coldplay inspired band called 'sundays in december' but nobodys heard the demo

― and what (ooo), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 17:51 (nineteen years ago)

is this more poison/just blaze or joe budden/"unforgiven" style tomfoolery?

― acid waffle house (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 17:53 (nineteen years ago)

yeah this whole conversation just reminds me of how convoluted and arbitrary hip hop's unofficial code of creativity and attribution is. I mean, a guy can sample the hell out of someone else's record, ghostproduce the track under a more famous producer's name, and then after the song is bootlegged by mixtape DJs, dozens of MCs will freestyle over the beat and (if it's a Jay-Z song) maybe a couple lines will get looped up as a hook for a whole new song. and it's all gravy as long as the checks clear. but as soon as someone knowingly samples the same record that a peer did recently, suddenly it's this huge breach of ethics.

― Alex in Baltimore (Alex in Baltimore), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 17:54 (nineteen years ago)

CeCe actually found that thread on Google and tried to make it happen but couldn't afford Blaze's quote.

― Alex in Baltimore (Alex in Baltimore), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 17:55 (nineteen years ago)

we still haven't determined if the joe budden cover of "unforgiven" is real or fake.

― acid waffle house (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 17:56 (nineteen years ago)

though i don't think my heart could take another

― acid waffle house (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 17:56 (nineteen years ago)

does new york really have record stores where dudes tell producers what obscure breaks to sample??

http://www.soundlibraryrecords.com/

― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 17:56 (nineteen years ago)

i'm pretty sure it's real, i've seen it pop up on a bunch of sites, but damned if i'm gonna listen to it to find out for sure. (xp)

― Alex in Baltimore (Alex in Baltimore), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 17:57 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.evropa2.cz/data/sharedfiles/Covers/big/95626.jpg

― and what (ooo), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 17:57 (nineteen years ago)

I'm pretty sure Budden only did it in hopes that someone at The Fader would photoshop Hetfield's mustache onto his face as part of their ongoing "omg! black musicians and white musicians living together! mass hysteria" thesis. (xp)

― Alex in Baltimore (Alex in Baltimore), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 17:59 (nineteen years ago)

hahahaha

― and what (ooo), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 18:00 (nineteen years ago)

al your gluttony for 'hollerboard'-reading punishment never fails to amaze me

― and what (ooo), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 18:00 (nineteen years ago)

isnt ilm bad enough!

― and what (ooo), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 18:01 (nineteen years ago)

one can't survive on Louis Jagger LOLs alone

― Alex in Baltimore (Alex in Baltimore), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 18:02 (nineteen years ago)

but the william henry harrison thread just got revived!!! hes an old timey white dude talking like a gangsta rapper!!!!

― and what (ooo), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 18:03 (nineteen years ago)

We need creaky, well-worn saws in our old age. *coughs, leans on cane*

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 18:06 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.soundslam.com/articles/interviews/interviews.php?interviews=in050527joebud

SoundSlam.com: Do you have a plan for the second single yet?

Joe Budden: I got options man, and that is the beautiful thing about having a great album! I could go with that, I could go with my Timbaland record “What You Doing Tonight”, my Dub-B record “Stars Inside Of You”, or my Metallica record “Unforgiven” - so I got a lot of options.

SoundSlam.com: You said Metallica record? What’s that like?

Joe Budden: Metallica had a song called “Unforgiven”, and I redid it. They are on the record, and its bananas.

― am0n (am0n), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 18:55 (nineteen years ago)

certified bananas?

― deej.. (deej..), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 18:56 (nineteen years ago)

judgement night 2k7

― acid waffle house (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 18:56 (nineteen years ago)

(if only)

― acid waffle house (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 18:56 (nineteen years ago)

srsly

― am0n (am0n), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 18:57 (nineteen years ago)

so many false judgement night dawns

― acid waffle house (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 18:58 (nineteen years ago)

more rock bands should work with boo-yaa tribe

― am0n (am0n), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 18:58 (nineteen years ago)

remember that metal Nappy Roots remix

― deej.. (deej..), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 19:00 (nineteen years ago)

Samoans kick major fucking ass! Pedro Miguel Arce is de naam en hij doet het in Land of the Dead. Wat is het toppunt van coolness? Zo'n kerel achterop een jeep zittend, zo nu en dan een wijsheid verkondigend terwijl 'ie vooral nergens gras over laat groeien. Een knipoogje zo nu en dan, een stevige ram voor een irritant wijf, wonden verzorgend, hele simpele maar daarom niet minder rechtvaardige gerechtigheid. Een nieuwe held is opgestaan dus, die inmiddels zelfs ook al naast Lindsay Lohan te zien is geweest: Teenage Drama Queen wordt per direct opgewaardeerd. Wat maakt het verder nog uit dat het een kutfilm is, met Pedro aanwezig! Zijn autodiefstal-analyse in Land of the Dead is echter voorlopig het hoogtepunt uit zijn carrière: Samoa hééft maar 50.000 auto's, maar die worden dan ook állemaal gejat!

― acid waffle house (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 19:01 (nineteen years ago)

so many false judgement night dawns

-- acid waffle house (wt...), January 16th, 2007 6:58 PM. (dubplatestyle) (later)

lol

― s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 19:03 (nineteen years ago)

i cant believe we actually have multiple judgement night threads!

― acid waffle house (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 19:07 (nineteen years ago)

V/A - BIKER BOYZ OST

Tracks two through four are the crucial ones; Swizz Beatz, Ja Rule, and Metallica's jawdropping "We Did It Again", POD remixed into cartoonish robot rock by Crystal Method, The Neptunes taking vital steps against their own music-crit canonization by "slumming" with Papa Roach (fuck yes!). By now Linkin Park have literally saved music, they aren't on this but their future-of-pop style fills the thing; check how Swizz brings some serious Afrika Bambaataa jacking Kraftwerk shit with all these spacey "Crawling"-style keyboard intros. The rest awkwardly tries to implement rock's new figment of hiphop as a moody goth-R'n'B slow jam instead of ultramale Xzibit and MOP growl, some works (Mos' surprising "Kalifornia"), some doesn't (Non Phixion) but the end result just feels sadly inconsequential considering it could've been THE rap-rock statement, JUDGEMENT NIGHT '03!! - EP

― and what (ooo), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 19:07 (nineteen years ago)

My first reaction, listening to the Nelly Furtado clip comparison, was that this was a coincidental bunch of horseshit.

Then I listened to the ringtone comparison, and damned if I didn't do a complete 180.

Timmy bit that entire track, and he should give the finnish dude attribution and royalties.

― J (Jay), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 19:08 (nineteen years ago)

http://ec3.images-amazon.com/images/P/B00000297O.01._SS500_SCLZZZZZZZ_V54149401_.jpg

― am0n (am0n), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 19:14 (nineteen years ago)

forgot about biohazard

― am0n (am0n), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 19:15 (nineteen years ago)

mudhoney and sir mix a lot = definitely one of the weirdest pairings of all time

― deej.. (deej..), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 19:15 (nineteen years ago)

Not weird, they're both from Seattle!!

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 19:16 (nineteen years ago)

the video for the Biohazard version of "Slam" was huge on THE BOX

― Alex in Baltimore (Alex in Baltimore), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 19:17 (nineteen years ago)

lol "the box" snoop was a big favorite on that channel too

― am0n (am0n), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 19:19 (nineteen years ago)

i have seen a window in our future....

― acid waffle house (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 19:20 (nineteen years ago)

"There goes my street credibility..."

― Adam Beales (Pye Poudre), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 19:20 (nineteen years ago)

and it involves us sitting in the various nursing homes we eventually end up in, telling the 20-year-old orderlies about "the box" and judgement night

― acid waffle house (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 19:21 (nineteen years ago)

didn't ilm used to have a huge boner for timbaland? where are they now

― am0n (am0n), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 19:22 (nineteen years ago)

yeah I think I saw "Gin & Juice" or "Doggy Dog World" on there once an hour well into 1997. also every single Mix-A-Lot song after "Baby Got Back" that never got played on any other video channel. (xpost)

― Alex in Baltimore (Alex in Baltimore), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 19:22 (nineteen years ago)

got nothing on the blade 2 soundtrack

1. Blade (theme from Blade) - Marco Beltrami & Danny Saber
2. Cowboy - Eve & Fatboy Slim
3. I Against I - Mos Def & Massive Attack
4. Right Here, Right Now - Ice Cube & Paul Oakenfold
5. Tao of the Machine - The Roots & BT
6. Child of the Wild West - Cypress Hill & Roni Size
7. The One - Busta Rhymes, Silkk The Shocker & Dub Pistols
8. We Be Like This - Fabolous, Jadakiss & Danny Saber
9. Gorillaz On My Mind - Redman & Gorillaz
10. Gangsta Queens - Trina, Rah-Digga & Groove Armada
11. PHDream - Bubba Sparxxx & The Crystal Method
12. Raised in the Hood - Volume 10 & Roni Size
13. Gettin' Aggressive - Mystikal & Moby
14. Mind What You Say - Buppy (Bonus Track)

― and what (ooo), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 19:23 (nineteen years ago)

i still have a huge boner for timbaland, especially now that he's slimmed down

― acid waffle house (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 19:23 (nineteen years ago)

7. The One - Busta Rhymes, Silkk The Shocker & Dub Pistols

for some reason this makes me laugh more than any of them

― acid waffle house (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 19:23 (nineteen years ago)

xpost to jess - as long as they change my depends...

― am0n (am0n), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 19:24 (nineteen years ago)

haha yeah i was gonna say, it's a lot like our present except i have to wipe myself

― acid waffle house (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 19:24 (nineteen years ago)

we used to get The Box over-the-air on channel 13. eventually it turned into MTV2-with-vocals-for-all-shows-and-videos-inexplicably-mixed-way-too-low-to-be-audible, and now I don't even know what the fuck it is

― Bernard Snowy (sixteen sergeants), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 19:24 (nineteen years ago)

I was under the impression from what a friend told me that there are some people who make part of a career out of digging for beats and selling them to producers. I remember he had a Soulman cd or two. His website has this claim:
Began selling beats to producers at the Roosevelt Soul/Disco record convention in New York (clients include Pete Rock, Diamond D, Lord Finesse, Buckwild, PM Dawn, L.E.S., Onyx, Mobb Deep, Trackmasters, The Hitmen, Q-Tip, Organized Confusion, Ski, Rashad Smith, Jay Dee, Salaam Remi, Beatnuts, Beatminerz, and many more).

So yeah, there are people who just find beats to sample.

― mh. (mike h.), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 19:25 (nineteen years ago)

haha the box was great...i used to have to play with the antennae so much to get it to come in at all. I totally saw Vanilla Ice's cypress hill-biting comeback on that station.

― deej.. (deej..), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 19:25 (nineteen years ago)

The Box!!!

― Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 19:26 (nineteen years ago)

i used to have to play with the antennae so much to get it to come in at all.

Haha me too

― Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 19:26 (nineteen years ago)

was the box the one where you called in to vote for songs?

― acid waffle house (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 19:26 (nineteen years ago)

it's funny how on Judgement Night, it's like they ran out of rappers and recycled Cypress Hill for both Pearl Jam and Sonic Youth, and then on Blade 2, CH collabs with Roni Size, who's then recycled a few tracks later because of a techno guy shortage.

― Alex in Baltimore (Alex in Baltimore), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 19:27 (nineteen years ago)

they used to run these station promos that led me to believe there were different flavors of The Box (The Box Urban, The Box Modern, etc) -- can anyone else confirm their existence?

― Bernard Snowy (sixteen sergeants), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 19:28 (nineteen years ago)

there really was no shortage of techno guys though

― acid waffle house (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 19:28 (nineteen years ago)

you had to call and i think it was like 2.99 to request a video.
i remember one day i was home sick in like 5th grade and i was looking forward to watching the box all day, but for some reason they were having 'technical difficulties' and just played rap music over this single image of a fat dude holding a boombox for like 6 straight hours.

― deej.. (deej..), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 19:28 (nineteen years ago)

it wasn't voting, it was you called in and paid like 2.99 to get a video played (xpost). I dunno about that, my local The Box was just one big station where "Chattahoochee" and "Put Em On The Glass" lived together in harmony.

― Alex in Baltimore (Alex in Baltimore), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 19:29 (nineteen years ago)

I totally saw Vanilla Ice's cypress hill-biting comeback on that station.

"light em up", with the disclaimer at the end

― am0n (am0n), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 19:29 (nineteen years ago)

i never had cable so that was entirely how i saw music videos - "Juicy," Snoop's shit, "Dre Day," etc.

I remember assuming that Compton was in Chicago

― deej.. (deej..), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 19:30 (nineteen years ago)

(briefly)

― deej.. (deej..), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 19:30 (nineteen years ago)

I saw some VH1 thing where Ja Rule's rise to fame was attribute to the box or a similar channel! He was apparently in some group with an extremely cheap video and they just kept calling in and paying for plays to attempt to get record company attention. So, the box has a lot to answer for.

― mh. (mike h.), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 19:31 (nineteen years ago)

for about a six month period in 1994 it seemed like the "big poppa" video was always playing just when i got home from school

― acid waffle house (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 19:32 (nineteen years ago)

an all-request music video station on network broadcast seems like such a great idea. i wish they still existed.

― deej.. (deej..), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 19:32 (nineteen years ago)

we definitely managed to derail this one

― acid waffle house (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 19:33 (nineteen years ago)

i never had cable so that was entirely how i saw music videos - "Juicy," Snoop's shit, "Dre Day," etc.
I remember assuming that Compton was in Chicago

-- deej.. (clublonel...), January 16th, 2007.

haha, this is totally me. plus they would play the most random shit, like that Mr. Oizo video with the dancing puppet, and then I would talk about it at school the next day and just assume all my friends knew about it to

(they didn't)

― Bernard Snowy (sixteen sergeants), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 19:34 (nineteen years ago)

(er, that should be a "too", obviously)

― Bernard Snowy (sixteen sergeants), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 19:34 (nineteen years ago)

yeah, a lot of rap labels were known to be "jackin' The Box." but yeah, Ja's group's video got played and that's how Irv discovered him, so the story goes.

― Alex in Baltimore (Alex in Baltimore), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 19:35 (nineteen years ago)

i used to order Consolidated and KLF videos on the Box.

(and Army of Lovers)

― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 19:39 (nineteen years ago)

I realize I am dating myself terribly here, but I think my earliest exposure to rap music came when some older kids hijacked one of the school TVs one morning and flipped it to The Box, where Lil' Kim's "Crush On You" video was playing

― Bernard Snowy (sixteen sergeants), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 19:44 (nineteen years ago)

haha dude if your earliest exposure to rap music was "crush on you" you're not really dating yourself

― acid waffle house (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 19:45 (nineteen years ago)

well I meant dating myself as a young whippersnapper (and a sheltered one, at that)

― Bernard Snowy (sixteen sergeants), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 19:45 (nineteen years ago)

well yeah you did succeed in making me feel old

― acid waffle house (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 19:46 (nineteen years ago)

I think "Slam" (OG non-Biohazard version) might be my first music video memory!

― Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 19:48 (nineteen years ago)

first time i ever consciously remember a music video was seeing "thriller" debut at a roller rink!

― acid waffle house (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 19:50 (nineteen years ago)

yeah i'm either old enough or enough of an early bloomer music-wise that my first video memories are from the "Money For Nothing"/"Sledgehammer" era

― Alex in Baltimore (Alex in Baltimore), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 19:52 (nineteen years ago)

we had mtv when i was really young and then not again until i was about 12 or so.

― acid waffle house (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 19:54 (nineteen years ago)

For me it would have been J. Geils Band's "Centerfold"/Go-Go's "Our Lips Are Sealed."

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 19:55 (nineteen years ago)

ha my town "banned" mtv from the local cable for awhile too, so i have a wierd like 2 yr "blackout" of mtv memories....we got it back in time to be 11-13 and digging the fuck out of hair metal though thk god

― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 19:58 (nineteen years ago)

We didn't have MTV or cable but I would go over to my metalhead neighbor's house and watch it sometimes. He had a treehouse with Anthrax graffiti and I guess he liked Onyx too.

(post-script, I ran into dude once when he was in college and he had given it all up for Hootie)

― Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 20:01 (nineteen years ago)

yeah the years I had cable/mtv (early 90s up to about 94 and then from 97 onward) vs. the years I didn't had a huge impact on what I'm aware of. like I barely knew who Biggie was when he died but I knew all about 2Pac.

― Alex in Baltimore (Alex in Baltimore), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 20:16 (nineteen years ago)

as a Box-watcher, biggie's presence and stature seemed smaller at the time.

I didn't have a TV til I was 10, and never got cable until i went to college.

― deej.. (deej..), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 20:19 (nineteen years ago)

not his literal stature, obv

― deej.. (deej..), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 20:19 (nineteen years ago)

The man in the Box.

― Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 20:27 (nineteen years ago)

dick in the box

― mh. (mike h.), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 20:55 (nineteen years ago)

bringing this full circle i'm pretty sure my first exposure to color me badd was via the box

― deej.. (deej..), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 20:57 (nineteen years ago)

http://timbalandtempest.ytmnd.com/

― Confounded (Confounded), Friday, 19 January 2007 16:14 (nineteen years ago)

Timbo should be proud of himself. He has his own ytmnd.

― The Reverend Rodney J. Greene With Strings (R. J. Greene), Friday, 19 January 2007 16:21 (nineteen years ago)

I think I've expressed mad love for "The Box" (pka "Jukebox Network") on other threads. I can definitely credit it for my knowing about Southern rap (though admittedly being kind of confused about it) well before Southern rap blew up. I liked Mystikal! Y'all Ain't Ready Yet! I still remember the super low-budget video.

― A-ron Hubbard (Hurting), Friday, 19 January 2007 16:27 (nineteen years ago)

oh man i loved the box. that was a uhf station right? why did people keep paying to see hammer's "hump and the bumps"?

we had cable since forever so i remember madonna and aha and whatnot even though i was like 5.

― artdamages (artdamages), Friday, 19 January 2007 16:55 (nineteen years ago)

why did people keep paying to see hammer's "hump and the bumps"?
!!! eternal question

― deej.. (deej..), Friday, 19 January 2007 17:57 (nineteen years ago)

I always took it as a given that the closer a rap video got to softcore porn, the more people would request it on The Box (see also: Sir Mix-A-Lot's "Put 'Em On The Glass").

― Alex in Baltimore (Alex in Baltimore), Friday, 19 January 2007 18:05 (nineteen years ago)

haha shamefully otm

― acid waffle house (dubplatestyle), Friday, 19 January 2007 18:06 (nineteen years ago)

five months pass...

hmm, chrono trigger as well?

sorta kinda the same i suppose

no biggie tho

― r|t|c, Friday, 29 June 2007 14:41 (eighteen years ago)

anyhow the real point of interest there is

The lead single to Omarion’s album 21, “Ice Box”, is credited to Timbaland (probably because that damn Timbo is just so hot right now, even if Shock Value wasn’t) but is in fact co-produced (ghost-produced?) by King Logan and Johnkenun Spivery, together known as The Royal Court, two producers who have had their hands on such recent Timbo-helmed songs as the Bobby Valentino single “Anonymous” and “Beg For It”, also off of Omarion’s 21.

even timbahandz is a sham!

― r|t|c, Friday, 29 June 2007 14:43 (eighteen years ago)

and then there was that brian kidd guy who was supposedly a protege too

(who just did that enrique iglesias ping pong song! i love that shit)

― r|t|c, Friday, 29 June 2007 14:47 (eighteen years ago)

oh yeah and

The Clutch = a production team consisting of
j.Que (Songwriter/Producer), Keri Lynn Hilson (Singer), Ezekiel Lewis(Songwriter/Producer/Music Executive), Candice Nelson (Songwriter) & Balewa Muhammad

― r|t|c, Friday, 29 June 2007 14:49 (eighteen years ago)

what a palaver eh

― r|t|c, Friday, 29 June 2007 14:50 (eighteen years ago)

one year passes...

Timbalan's "Back Together" sounds LOTS like the Boys Noize remix of "My Moon My Man".

― ILX MOD (musically), Friday, 7 November 2008 03:01 (seventeen years ago)

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