Bands/Pop stars that are quickly becoming relics of the earlier part of this decade?

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In the same way that A Flock of Seagulls is used as the whipping boy for early '80s synth pop and fashion whenever someone needs one, what bands do you already see as defining, though slightly obscure relics of the earlier part of this decade? It's sort of hard to tell but it's becoming clearer as the decade moves towards the end.

It's already gotten to the point where I mention Alien Ant Farm to some people and they'll say that they've forgotten all about that band, though they do remember them and forgot how big they were for awhile. The nu-metal genre as a whole can almost be thrown into this lake of fire, but that'd be too easy.

A lot of the bands aren't so far out of the pop culture memory that it's time for the Surreal Life, but there are some that are quickly entering that sort of "I'm a $5,000 trivia question" stage of their careers. Also, a lot of the bands I'm trying to think of are still thought over as holdovers of 1990s pop music trends, but they'll be reconfigured as the years go by to this decade.

Let's think of some more along the lines of Alien Ant Farm.

Cunga (Cunga), Saturday, 20 January 2007 00:21 (nineteen years ago)

American Idol winners

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Saturday, 20 January 2007 00:26 (nineteen years ago)

I dunno about that Shakey, I see Fantasia and Kelly having pretty long careers.

The Brainwasher (Twilight), Saturday, 20 January 2007 00:28 (nineteen years ago)

Well, some of them. I could get it out of the way and say something really rude about Justin Guarini, but I'm feeling especially nice today.

Cunga (Cunga), Saturday, 20 January 2007 00:32 (nineteen years ago)

considering that they're all tied-for-life to a corporate parent+industry model that's rapidly collapsing, I don't think any of 'em have a prayer for longevity.

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Saturday, 20 January 2007 00:33 (nineteen years ago)

(but yeah most of the other acts I'm comin up with are actually from the 90s... maybe I just blocked out most of the charts for the last 7 years)

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Saturday, 20 January 2007 00:34 (nineteen years ago)

New Found Glory?

Tape Store (Tape Store), Saturday, 20 January 2007 00:36 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, as I sort of alluded to in my post (I thought I included this in there too, but I guess I accidentally deleted it), it seems like most simplified pop music trends that we associate with being as part of a certain general "decade" actually really take place towards the very end, and then kind of roll over into the next decade.

I think that, generally speaking, 1955-1965 has a lot more in common (both musically and culturally) than 1960-1970. The same goes with almost all of the clichéd and simplified trends that have occurred every decade. People remember the 1950s as "rock" when that came on towards the second half and continued in that same way till the middle of the 1960s, the 1960s with "hippiedom", the 1970s with disco, etc. The end of one decade and the first half of the next are more complimentary than the decade as a whole.

The same thing with 1990s music. As the years go by I think we'll think of people like Fatboy Slim or the Backstreet Boys as being as much of a part of defining the decade's sounds and fads as any "alternative" thing that happened the beginning. The reason being that the alt rock movement will by then have connotations with 1980s rock, while it will be easy to think boy bands, big beat and little indie trends (Napster!) as being starts to things that rolled over into the next decade.

Cunga (Cunga), Saturday, 20 January 2007 00:46 (nineteen years ago)

Dance punk.

kornrulez6969 (TCBeing), Saturday, 20 January 2007 01:08 (nineteen years ago)

Anticon

ramon fernandez (ramon fernandez), Saturday, 20 January 2007 01:08 (nineteen years ago)

LIMP BIZKIT

vita susicivus (blueski), Saturday, 20 January 2007 01:09 (nineteen years ago)

much bigger than AAF obv. but so over by the middle of the decade to the point where you start marvelling at just how popular they were only a few years before.

vita susicivus (blueski), Saturday, 20 January 2007 01:10 (nineteen years ago)

Ja Rule/Ashanti

The Brainwasher (Twilight), Saturday, 20 January 2007 01:11 (nineteen years ago)

LIMP BIZKIT

-- vita susicivus (n...), January 20th, 2007.

Durst knows no decade

feed latebloomer (latebloomer), Saturday, 20 January 2007 01:16 (nineteen years ago)

Ja Rule/Ashanti and Bizkit OTM

and "Durst Knows No Decade" sounds like the name of an irony-loving punk band started by my middle-child in 2020

Cunga (Cunga), Saturday, 20 January 2007 01:21 (nineteen years ago)

The Strokes

feed latebloomer (latebloomer), Saturday, 20 January 2007 01:23 (nineteen years ago)

Mario (of "Let Me Love You" fame)

Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Saturday, 20 January 2007 01:26 (nineteen years ago)

Eminem

lovebug 2.0 (lovebug starski), Saturday, 20 January 2007 11:32 (nineteen years ago)

Peaches, Chilly Gonzales, Gold Chains

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Saturday, 20 January 2007 11:35 (nineteen years ago)

Blazin' Squad

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Saturday, 20 January 2007 11:35 (nineteen years ago)

The Distillers

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Saturday, 20 January 2007 11:35 (nineteen years ago)

Clinic, Radio 4, !!!, The Rapture

Squid Sandwich (Roger Fidelity), Saturday, 20 January 2007 11:38 (nineteen years ago)

Afroman

vita susicivus (blueski), Saturday, 20 January 2007 13:07 (nineteen years ago)

white stripes

alext (alext), Saturday, 20 January 2007 14:01 (nineteen years ago)

Houston

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Saturday, 20 January 2007 14:10 (nineteen years ago)

blink 182
busted

lex pretend (lex pretend), Saturday, 20 January 2007 14:20 (nineteen years ago)

The Streets

vita susicivus (blueski), Saturday, 20 January 2007 15:09 (nineteen years ago)

cldplysnwptrlkn

to scour or to pop? (Haberdager), Saturday, 20 January 2007 15:12 (nineteen years ago)

jet

maura (maura), Saturday, 20 January 2007 15:16 (nineteen years ago)

Dance punk.

Very OTM.

I also disagree re: American Idol Winners ... Kelly Clarkson and Carrie Underwood have enough hits and have sold enough records to transcend the "Idol winner" stigma.

NoTimeBeforeTime (Barry Bruner), Saturday, 20 January 2007 15:19 (nineteen years ago)

Q Magazine Best Music Of 2002 cd i just found in a box:

the cooper temple clause

the hives

electric soft parade

black rebel motorcycle club

athlete

minuteman

tom mcrae

british sea power

josh rouse

von bondies

kosheen

telepopmusik

the dirtbombs

simian

gemma hayes

mull historical society

ed harcourt

dot allison

alfie

lorien

ben christophers

scott seward (scott seward), Saturday, 20 January 2007 15:30 (nineteen years ago)

Q Magazine OTM, although I only remember about half of them.

strom (strom), Saturday, 20 January 2007 15:52 (nineteen years ago)

British Sea Power and Alfie OTM

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Saturday, 20 January 2007 15:55 (nineteen years ago)

How about Good Charlotte? They were pretty huge on TRL. I think the singer goes out with Hillary Duff now (or at least did for a while).

Stingy (stingy), Saturday, 20 January 2007 18:12 (nineteen years ago)

Destiny's Child

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Saturday, 20 January 2007 18:36 (nineteen years ago)

Clinic? c'mon.

Zachary Scott (Zach S), Saturday, 20 January 2007 19:10 (nineteen years ago)

god, remember interpol? good times, good times.

scott seward (scott seward), Saturday, 20 January 2007 19:16 (nineteen years ago)

aww man I dig the latest Peaches :/

fandango (fandango), Saturday, 20 January 2007 19:22 (nineteen years ago)

Pete Yorn
Rival Schools
Hoobastank
Dashboard Confessional
Yellowcard

alexander craig (alexcraig), Saturday, 20 January 2007 19:54 (nineteen years ago)

So Solid

acrobat (elwisty), Saturday, 20 January 2007 20:02 (nineteen years ago)

2nd the Strokes/Hives/Von Bondies

edde (edde), Saturday, 20 January 2007 21:29 (nineteen years ago)

Didn't Dashboard Confessional have a pretty big album late last year?

Dance-punk/garage-revival OTM with very few exceptions (DFA, the White Stripes seem to have legs outside their genre)

milo z (mlp), Saturday, 20 January 2007 21:36 (nineteen years ago)

also: grime

milo z (mlp), Saturday, 20 January 2007 21:37 (nineteen years ago)

At least the Strokes, Hives and White Stripes are still in the public eye. Where the hell are the Von Bondies? Enuff promo to choke a horse, then they just split the scene altogether...

Also: just about every boy and girl band*** you can name...that phenomenon is out the back door now.

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***"band"...none of them played instruments so I don't see why they were called that
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Rev. Hoodoo (Rev. Hoodoo), Saturday, 20 January 2007 22:42 (nineteen years ago)

electric soft parade

Sadly, yes. And they are to blame themselves as they did something completely different (and nowhere near as good) on the followup.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Sunday, 21 January 2007 00:12 (nineteen years ago)

Enon seem to have disappeared — High Society seemed to be a fairly big deal in 2002, but they haven't had a proper new full-length since 2003.

eatandoph (eatandoph), Sunday, 21 January 2007 21:06 (nineteen years ago)

geir, wtf are you talking about?! their second album was WAY better and has WAY more staying-power than their (already dated) first!

and their album coming out this year will be incredible. just y'all wait and see!

to scour or to pop? (Haberdager), Sunday, 21 January 2007 21:09 (nineteen years ago)

Their first album was a great example of arche-English-sounding melodic pop. The second one was trying way to hard to sound American.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Sunday, 21 January 2007 23:29 (nineteen years ago)

I think in order to qualify for this thread they have to be either popular or critically acclaimed or closely identified with a particular sound or movement that's gone completely out of fashion. Nobody gave a shit about the Distillers or Clinic even then.

Anyway, Fischerspooner, The Vines, Gareth Gates, Hearsay, The Bloodhound Gang.

Matt DC (Matt DC), Sunday, 21 January 2007 23:43 (nineteen years ago)

C/D: Beta Band's Happiness And Colour/The Hut

milo z (mlp), Monday, 22 January 2007 00:53 (nineteen years ago)

Nobody gave a shit about the Distillers

Brody Dalle was the Kate Jackson of her day, man.

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Monday, 22 January 2007 01:04 (nineteen years ago)

VEX RED

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Monday, 22 January 2007 01:39 (nineteen years ago)

Linkin Park

Roz (Roz), Monday, 22 January 2007 01:56 (nineteen years ago)

More pop, less rock.

the table is the table (treesessplode), Monday, 22 January 2007 01:59 (nineteen years ago)

I don't get the hate for Clinic. They're like Radiohead if Syd Barrett had stayed in the band.

bendy (bendy), Monday, 22 January 2007 02:02 (nineteen years ago)

Garage OTM, but maybe we haven't heard quite the end of Dance-Punk? Or maybe it has shapeshifted/influenced other genres? The Rapture et al are still releasing stuff no? Has dance music always been so fickle that every year there has to be a new craze i.e. 2000 - Ibiza Trance; 2001-2002 Electroclash; 2003-2004 - Discopunk; 2004-2005 Electrohouse; 2005-2006 Minimal House; 2007-2008 That stuff everyone's on about on the other thread? I know that this is the way music goes but with dance it seems that these genres barely have time to properly break through before being engulfed by another style. I am pleased that Minimal made a sort of cross over with "Put Your Hands Up" and "We Are Your Friends" displaying touches of this.

Anyway - Definitely Ibiza Trance. Does anyone even listen to Trance anymore? When I was at Uni people only ever seemed to listen to that and Speed Garage.

Speed Garage too, although that kind of spawned Grime which spawned Dubstep. *Waits for some know-all to tell me off and correct me about that*. I hated it at the time but mostly because I found it very hard to dance to. Now whenever I hear Oxide and Neutrino or 21 Seconds or even Sweet Like Chocolate, I'm surprised by how much I like it.

There was, like a whole week in 2002 when British Hip Hop was set to take over the world, but it didn't and everyone felt rather silly about it all.

What about the Dancehall craze of 2003 (Sean Paul, Wayne Wonder etc) ? Strange that it never really lasted and has gone back to being a specialist genre.

IDM is dead in the water, hitting a a glass ceiling in 2001 with Plaid, Autechre, Aphex, Chris Clark etc all releasing seminal records before all quickly disappearing back up their bottoms.

I'm not really up with the Metal scene these days. Is Doom and Stoner Metal still alive and well?

More recently, things have gone a bit quiet on the Freak Folk and Noize scenes even though 2004-2005 was an excellent period for that stuff. Not much longer till Devendra becomes a slightly embarassing memory we'd rather put in a box and forget about.

Also - The Coral. And all that shit bed-wetter Punk like Sum41 and that band full of fat blokes with black shirts and spikey hair who sang about how their parents didn't give them enough money; and things like Puddle of Mudd (HOW DID ANYONE SIGN A BAND WITH A NAME LIKE THAT?!!) and Nickelback.

wogan lenin (dog latin), Monday, 22 January 2007 02:04 (nineteen years ago)

IDM is dead in the water, hitting a a glass ceiling in 2001 with Plaid, Autechre, Aphex, Chris Clark etc all releasing seminal records before all quickly disappearing back up their bottoms.

hmmm, can't agree here re: plaid, autechre, aphex. I could see the argument that they established a glass ceiling, but not with Double Figure, Confield, and Druqks.

Zachary S (Zach S), Monday, 22 January 2007 02:12 (nineteen years ago)

not their best albums but maybe the ones that sold the most or seen as breakthrough records?

wogan lenin (dog latin), Monday, 22 January 2007 02:19 (nineteen years ago)

I am pleased that Minimal made a sort of cross over with "Put Your Hands Up" and "We Are Your Friends" displaying touches of this.

dog latin what is it with your blind spot for having any idea what 'minimal' is meant to be??

first one is pretty much 100% commercial electro-house and the other... I dunno, indie-dance or something, with a bit (somewhere) of electro-ness.

fandango (fandango), Monday, 22 January 2007 02:33 (nineteen years ago)

i don't think "put your hands up" is 100% commercial electro-house.

wogan lenin (dog latin), Monday, 22 January 2007 02:42 (nineteen years ago)

actually, okay, what is minimal? tell me one thing - a mix or a track or whatever.

wogan lenin (dog latin), Monday, 22 January 2007 02:43 (nineteen years ago)

do you not think the pitchy uppy downy synth line on put your hands up isn't in the minimal vein? sure a very popped up version of minimal, but still bearing some relation? That's what i really meant.

wogan lenin (dog latin), Monday, 22 January 2007 02:45 (nineteen years ago)

"the pitchy uppy downy synth line" is totally totally Electrohouse to me, and well a few other people I'd think?

at least one of them is http://www.residentadvisor.net/feature_view.asp?ID=787

Every genre, in the end, becomes a bit of an epithet, so which was it last year? Unfortunately, our vote goes to electro house. [...] Strike one against it was that its sound signatures committed the sin of seeping into the mainstream (evidence: D. Ramirez' mix of Bodyrox's 'Yeah, Yeah', Fedde Le Grand's 'Put Your Hands Up For Detroit?', Tocadisco's remix of 'The Egg', Mason's 'Exceeder' etc etc

fandango (fandango), Monday, 22 January 2007 02:55 (nineteen years ago)

And besides there's hardly much "minimal" about a synth noise THAT obviously blare-y & farting, trashy, indiscreet and self-conciously "dirty". It's almost completely opposed.

examples? I'll bump a thread in morning or something. I'm really tired & should be sleeping.

fandango (fandango), Monday, 22 January 2007 03:01 (nineteen years ago)

mmm... i guess... although, geez what a snotty attitude to have. I hope they were being ironic with that quote.

But then again, I feel that take away the vocal and some of the more obvious beats and "Put Your Hands Up" wouldn't be much different to something on a Kompakt Total compilation. That's minimal, right?

wogan lenin (dog latin), Monday, 22 January 2007 03:03 (nineteen years ago)

blare-y & farting, trashy, indiscreet and self-conciously "dirty"

LOL, I hear it as a weird one-tone noise. Not that blarey at all.

wogan lenin (dog latin), Monday, 22 January 2007 03:05 (nineteen years ago)

Strokes was the first band I thought of.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 22 January 2007 03:08 (nineteen years ago)

it's a crappy way of phrasing it but "the pitchy uppy downy synth line" in it's most totally obvious & predictable post-"Rocker" form HAS been utterly & completely rinsed out now with 3000+ imitations of... use some imagination "crossover" producer people!

fandango (fandango), Monday, 22 January 2007 03:13 (nineteen years ago)

to be fair, how many other songs have made it into the charts with this sound? (i don't really know since i don't really pay much attention to the charts or to clubland proper). this sound is dead and buried to most seasoned clubbers but casual listeners are only just discovering it, hence why this and "yeah yeah" and "friends" are all going into the charts.

wogan lenin (dog latin), Monday, 22 January 2007 03:17 (nineteen years ago)

By blarey I just mean it's often a very overcompressed & in-the-red kind of sound... loud & a bit annoying (if not to happy hardcore levels) yet oddly shiny, despite claims to the contrary. This is all the bad stuff though...

fandango (fandango), Monday, 22 January 2007 03:21 (nineteen years ago)

I don't think the trashy electro sound is dead and buried at all! In fact it's getting more & more ubiquitous every year, even fucking indie(rave)-kids are after a bit these days.

fandango (fandango), Monday, 22 January 2007 03:24 (nineteen years ago)

bedtime.

fandango (fandango), Monday, 22 January 2007 03:25 (nineteen years ago)

indie kids have been on the electro tip since le tigre and death from above 1979 and that.

yes it is bedtime. i'm uploading a mix to the DJs thread and then sleep.

wogan lenin (dog latin), Monday, 22 January 2007 03:26 (nineteen years ago)

Usher.
Not specifically early this decade, I know, but he was huge in 2005 and nowhere right now. The idea of a comeback album featuring a host of guests who were also huge 4 years ago doesn't make me feel good either.

everything (everything), Monday, 22 January 2007 04:42 (nineteen years ago)

It's not too late for a number of these acts to turn the ship around. Nelly Furtado would've seemed like the ideal candidate about a year ago.

Also, another name that you might not think of, but is appropriate: Jennifer Lopez.

Cunga (Cunga), Monday, 22 January 2007 05:55 (nineteen years ago)

Also - The Coral.

I forgot about them! That album and the Thrills were the dumbest purchases I made in 2004.

Cunga (Cunga), Monday, 22 January 2007 05:59 (nineteen years ago)

"I'm not really up with the Metal scene these days. Is Doom and Stoner Metal still alive and well?"

yes. thriving.

scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 22 January 2007 06:26 (nineteen years ago)

Usher always dissapears for a few years between albums and then comes back with even more hits than the last time.

Anyways, Fabolous deserves a spot in this thread.

The Reverend Rodney J. Greene With Strings (R. J. Greene), Monday, 22 January 2007 07:23 (nineteen years ago)

The Rapture et al are still releasing stuff no? Has dance music always been so fickle that every year there has to be a new craze i.e. 2000 - Ibiza Trance; 2001-2002 Electroclash; 2003-2004 - Discopunk; 2004-2005 Electrohouse; 2005-2006 Minimal House; 2007-2008

I think it was the same in the nineties: hardcore followed by trance followed by jungle followed by goa trance followed by drum'n'bass followed by progressive house followed by big beat and so on and so on.

Tuomas (Tuomas), Monday, 22 January 2007 08:25 (nineteen years ago)

Don't forget Reggaeton!

I think the reason I think of "Put Your Hands Up" as derivative of Minimal rather than Electro is that it sounds a bit like a pumped up version of "Bay Of Figs" by Marc Houle.

wogan lenin (dog latin), Monday, 22 January 2007 11:57 (nineteen years ago)

The Thrills seconded. Also: The Zutons. Plus Kanye West.

zeus (zeus), Monday, 22 January 2007 12:49 (nineteen years ago)

Avalanches and Eamon, for a start.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Monday, 22 January 2007 12:51 (nineteen years ago)

Avalanches!!! OTM
How can I forgot that...

zeus (zeus), Monday, 22 January 2007 12:53 (nineteen years ago)

And some downtempo/triphop shit, like Zero 7 or Morcheeba, though the latter is the same in the 90s

zeus (zeus), Monday, 22 January 2007 12:54 (nineteen years ago)

Junior Senior
Annie From Norway

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Monday, 22 January 2007 12:55 (nineteen years ago)

Kanye West is the most ridiculous suggestion yet. He's more likely to come back with a hugely successful album next year than disappear without trace. Ditto White Stripes to be honest.

Matt DC (Matt DC), Monday, 22 January 2007 12:57 (nineteen years ago)

No one mentioned EMO yet? All-American Rejets or Taking Back Sunday is the answer.

zeus (zeus), Monday, 22 January 2007 12:57 (nineteen years ago)

Badly Drawn Boy, on the other hand, probably won't.

Matt DC (Matt DC), Monday, 22 January 2007 12:58 (nineteen years ago)

Re: Kanye West

Perhaps he remains huge, yes, maybe I'm the only one who can't see him big in 2012.

zeus (zeus), Monday, 22 January 2007 12:59 (nineteen years ago)

Badly Drawn Boy has released SIX albums this decade. And I can still only remember how one of his songs goes.

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Monday, 22 January 2007 12:59 (nineteen years ago)

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Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Monday, 22 January 2007 13:00 (nineteen years ago)

BDB is STIll wearing the hat. Even Jamiroquai was trying other types of headgear by this equivalent point in his own career.

vita susicivus (blueski), Monday, 22 January 2007 13:00 (nineteen years ago)

And Daniel Powter's hat?

zeus (zeus), Monday, 22 January 2007 13:01 (nineteen years ago)

I've seen Powter go with a baseball cap on occasion, he's not afraid to experiment.

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Monday, 22 January 2007 13:03 (nineteen years ago)

emo is still sadly alive and unwell. though it'll probably fizzle out in the same way as nu-metal and be replaced by something equally trite.

It makes me want to start a thread about music trends/categories.

hair metal -> grunge -> post-grunge/offspring-punk -> nu-metal -> emo

different styles/aesthetics, but same demographic.

wogan lenin (dog latin), Monday, 22 January 2007 13:07 (nineteen years ago)

polyphonic spree

the original hauntology blogging crew (Enrique), Monday, 22 January 2007 13:10 (nineteen years ago)

No, no they didn't.

xp

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Monday, 22 January 2007 13:10 (nineteen years ago)

I mean, seriously, if you can't tell the difference between Limp Bizkit fans in big shorts setting fire to toilets and raping women, and Panic! At The Disco fans wearing Victorian clothing and carving Plath into their arms with scented knives, then maybe you should stick to minimal.

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Monday, 22 January 2007 13:11 (nineteen years ago)

hey scumola is scumola

vita susicivus (blueski), Monday, 22 January 2007 13:14 (nineteen years ago)

Avalanches (or even 2 Many DJ's are a pretty good suggestion) since they fit with the initial premise of the thread.

I'd also add all the neo-country-rock dudes from 2002, say Ryan Adams, who's clearly destined for some celebrity quizz show.

is anyone anticipating the new Baaderonixx? (baaderonixx), Monday, 22 January 2007 13:16 (nineteen years ago)

didn't Adams put out about 17 albums last year? kinda off the mainstream radar tho i guess yeh.

vita susicivus (blueski), Monday, 22 January 2007 13:20 (nineteen years ago)

I mean, seriously, if you can't tell the difference between Limp Bizkit fans in big shorts setting fire to toilets and raping women, and Panic! At The Disco fans wearing Victorian clothing and carving Plath into their arms with scented knives, then maybe you should stick to minimal.

Are you stupid?

wogan lenin (dog latin), Monday, 22 January 2007 13:22 (nineteen years ago)

Talk about 2 many DJs, Soulwax should have a spot reserved in the best of 20xx ratings. (or wait, was that late nineties?)

The Strokes never followed up, not that many bands are remembered with one good record.
Agreed that White Stripes will probably be rated high long time from now.

Aaaand Franz Ferdinand.

the Dirt (FunkDirt), Monday, 22 January 2007 13:24 (nineteen years ago)

TERRIS!

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Monday, 22 January 2007 13:26 (nineteen years ago)

Andrew WK

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Monday, 22 January 2007 13:26 (nineteen years ago)

xp

Hmm, i don't think we're really arguing whether these records/bands were good or bad, but whether they'll remain little pop trivias associated with very specific periods in music. A bit like say Right Said Fred, I guess.

IMO, The Strokes spawned too much of a scene and gathered attention for too long for them to drift in that territory.

is anyone anticipating the new Baaderonixx? (baaderonixx), Monday, 22 January 2007 13:29 (nineteen years ago)

Are you stupid?

Please name any crossover in the demographics targeted by nu-metal and emo.

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Monday, 22 January 2007 13:34 (nineteen years ago)

erm, young white peoples?

the original hauntology blogging crew (Enrique), Monday, 22 January 2007 13:40 (nineteen years ago)

young white angsty frustrated peoples

lex pretend (lex pretend), Monday, 22 January 2007 13:41 (nineteen years ago)

(ie scum)

lex pretend (lex pretend), Monday, 22 January 2007 13:41 (nineteen years ago)

young white angsty frustrated peoples

http://www.metrotimes.com/sb/6446/Eminem.jpg
http://www.peta2.com/OUTTHERE/page/400-avril.jpg

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Monday, 22 January 2007 13:43 (nineteen years ago)

If there wasn't a two jpg limit that post would have been better.

Point: 96.2% of music in the charts is aimed at white angsty frustrated teens

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Monday, 22 January 2007 13:44 (nineteen years ago)

it's a tightly contested demographic.

the original hauntology blogging crew (Enrique), Monday, 22 January 2007 13:45 (nineteen years ago)

The Strokes definitely not, their last album still sold more than 1 million, and they haven't disappeared. Nor Franz Ferdinand, they will be still huge with their next album.

zeus (zeus), Monday, 22 January 2007 13:45 (nineteen years ago)

And, duh, nu-metal was the late 90s equivalent of the 1950s "If we take these negro songs and apply traditional white instrumentation to them: $$$", and emo is the major label's way of shoring up the hole in the market that the death of boybands left.

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Monday, 22 January 2007 13:45 (nineteen years ago)

Point: 96.2% of music in the charts is aimed at white angsty frustrated teens

thank god for ciara and fedde le grand, eh

lex pretend (lex pretend), Monday, 22 January 2007 13:46 (nineteen years ago)

Please name any crossover in the demographics targeted by nu-metal and emo.

-- Dom Passantino (juror...), January 22nd, 2007.

The average American teenager.

zeus (zeus), Monday, 22 January 2007 13:47 (nineteen years ago)

the strokes are relics already, have been since... the earlier part of this decade.

the original hauntology blogging crew (Enrique), Monday, 22 January 2007 13:49 (nineteen years ago)

Fedde Le Grande is pretty angsty.

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Monday, 22 January 2007 13:49 (nineteen years ago)

The thing about The Strokes is the more archaic they seem the more records they sell.

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Monday, 22 January 2007 13:50 (nineteen years ago)

I mean, when they were vogue they were charting at in the low 20s. Now their time has gone they're a top 5 act.

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Monday, 22 January 2007 13:50 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, it seems. So The Strokes are not good, but KINGS OF LEON - yes.

zeus (zeus), Monday, 22 January 2007 13:56 (nineteen years ago)

The Strokes are not good, but KINGS OF LEON - yes.

I mean, in this thread.

zeus (zeus), Monday, 22 January 2007 14:01 (nineteen years ago)

Annie From Norway

bwhahaha

groovemaan (groove nihilist), Monday, 22 January 2007 14:08 (nineteen years ago)

Stardust

is anyone anticipating the new Baaderonixx? (baaderonixx), Monday, 22 January 2007 14:12 (nineteen years ago)

'this decade'?

the original hauntology blogging crew (Enrique), Monday, 22 January 2007 14:15 (nineteen years ago)

somehow, I would say missy. I know she's still releasing (good) stuff. but it just seems right thinking of it. it might be cos i'm really tired, though.

AleXTC (AleXTC), Monday, 22 January 2007 14:21 (nineteen years ago)

City High

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Monday, 22 January 2007 14:23 (nineteen years ago)

again missy = late 90s.

the original hauntology blogging crew (Enrique), Monday, 22 January 2007 14:24 (nineteen years ago)

It might be a bit early to call this one, but is anyone going to say Britney?

Matt DC (Matt DC), Monday, 22 January 2007 14:26 (nineteen years ago)

Boards of Canada

Plus everything covered in Careless Talk Costs Lives and Bang! magazines.

DavidM* (unreal), Monday, 22 January 2007 14:27 (nineteen years ago)

Plus everything covered in Careless Talk Costs Lives and Bang! magazines.

DING DING DING DING

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Monday, 22 January 2007 14:28 (nineteen years ago)

The Venn Diagram overlap of CTCL and Bang! that closes this thread: Pink Grease

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Monday, 22 January 2007 14:28 (nineteen years ago)

hot hot heat

the original hauntology blogging crew (Enrique), Monday, 22 January 2007 14:30 (nineteen years ago)

not that anyone knew who they were at the time.

the original hauntology blogging crew (Enrique), Monday, 22 January 2007 14:31 (nineteen years ago)

They were either from Ireland or New Zealand.

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Monday, 22 January 2007 14:35 (nineteen years ago)

I may be thinking of The D4s

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Monday, 22 January 2007 14:35 (nineteen years ago)

missy=90s ? I don't agree on that one. I don't think she's directly linked to the 90's. more an early 2000 act (her biggest sellers being in 2001 and 2003). which is exactly what this thread is about !
Britney could be a good one. although her biggest time was late 90s. but like someone said, late 90s could be considered 00s.

AleXTC (AleXTC), Monday, 22 January 2007 14:40 (nineteen years ago)

Don't forget Reggaeton!

Reggaeton has not disappeared. It's just not that big of an Anglo crossover thing. How many times do we have to go through this? I mean, maybe its core audience will lose interest at some point, but despite a lot of complainst about a bunch of releases, that hasn't really happened.

R_S (RSLaRue), Monday, 22 January 2007 14:40 (nineteen years ago)

Hot Hot Heat = Blink 182+Ratpure

could've worked, and sometimes did.

vita susicivus (blueski), Monday, 22 January 2007 14:41 (nineteen years ago)

Missy was pretty big in 90's, eg. "The Rain", "Hot Boys", "Sock it to me", "All in my Grill", etc etc.

is anyone anticipating the new Baaderonixx? (baaderonixx), Monday, 22 January 2007 14:43 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah but she was bigger in the early 00s !

AleXTC (AleXTC), Monday, 22 January 2007 14:48 (nineteen years ago)

I mean, Missy.

AleXTC (AleXTC), Monday, 22 January 2007 14:48 (nineteen years ago)

Also, for other reasons : Aaliyah...
although, for those who think Missy is more 90s, it would be the same for Aaliyah since she released more stuff before 2000 and was already pretty famous.

AleXTC (AleXTC), Monday, 22 January 2007 14:51 (nineteen years ago)

Eminem? I know, late nineties, but...

zeus (zeus), Monday, 22 January 2007 15:10 (nineteen years ago)

Elvis? I know, mid-fifties, but...

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Monday, 22 January 2007 15:13 (nineteen years ago)

Well, to me, eminem is 00s too... again, his biggest albums have been released in 2000+ (which is not the case of Elvis... Elveez, maybe !).

AleXTC (AleXTC), Monday, 22 January 2007 15:17 (nineteen years ago)

eminem is more 00s than missy or aaliyah.

the original hauntology blogging crew (Enrique), Monday, 22 January 2007 15:18 (nineteen years ago)

John Dowland? I know, sixteenth century, but Sting digs him...

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Monday, 22 January 2007 15:27 (nineteen years ago)

teddybears shtml

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Monday, 22 January 2007 15:27 (nineteen years ago)

if you'd read my post above, Dom what I was saying is that simply speaking, it's the little brothers and sisters of the Nu-Metal kids (who are now in their early 20s) who are listening to Emo. As soon as an genre dies, another one with a completely different aesthetic but pretty much the same audience comes in to fill its boots, often as a backlash.

The kids realised that Fred Durst was a cunt, they were bored of rock/rap with scratching, and the girlies just couldn't bring themselves to fancy overweight fratboys in baggy shorts. So Emo minces in and cunningly stabs Nu-Metal in the arse and suddenly the kids stop eating, throw out their shorts and buy skinny jeans etc. etc.

But there has been and always will be a category that needs to be filled and in this case it's disillusioned white teenagers.

Same could be said of dance music really. People may have dressed differently and taken different drugs to go to an Electroclash night in 2001 as they would to go to a Minimal House night in 2006 but that is superfluous when you consider that those going out to Minimal nights will eventually tire of it and start going to whatever it is that's coming next.

wogan lenin (dog latin), Monday, 22 January 2007 15:42 (nineteen years ago)

Pink Grease played at our May Ball. They were absolutely incredible, the sort of live proposition that genuinely creates an atmosphere of complete hedonism (it helped that I was standing (and pretty quickly dancing) right in front of the (small) stage!). Their music on record is still good, but I'll grant you loses a little of its immediacy and force. If you listen to one of their albums and bear in mind that one of them plays a synthy stylo-board with about 300 buttons and knobs on it, and another has a guitar shaped like a machine-gun, you may begin to grasp the awesome live concept behind the band (that concept being: AWESOME). Such live experiences will never date.

to scour or to pop? (Haberdager), Monday, 22 January 2007 15:53 (nineteen years ago)

the awesome live concept behind the band

shame about the tunes innit

fandango (fandango), Monday, 22 January 2007 15:56 (nineteen years ago)

do you write for the student press, louis?

the original hauntology blogging crew (Enrique), Monday, 22 January 2007 15:57 (nineteen years ago)

many many of these entries are far from "stars"

pj (Henry), Monday, 22 January 2007 15:57 (nineteen years ago)

more like 'bands', huh?

the original hauntology blogging crew (Enrique), Monday, 22 January 2007 15:58 (nineteen years ago)

do you write for the student press, louis?

Is this a loaded question?

The answer is that I don't, but I ought to, because the quality of student music-writing is execrable, with cliche piled on cliche, misconception piled on ignorant generalisation. At the moment I'm concentrating more of creative writing and trying to get a regular Simon Barnes-esque sports column in one of our newspapers.

If you want to see a spoof music-review I submitted to my college magazine, I'll show you on a different thread. I'm quite proud of it, myself.

to scour or to pop? (Haberdager), Monday, 22 January 2007 16:13 (nineteen years ago)

Simon Barnes was on the Johnnie Walker Show yesterday. JW said he looked more like Francis Rossi than a Chief Sports Writer.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Monday, 22 January 2007 16:15 (nineteen years ago)

Ornithology and sportswriting equals HERO.

to scour or to pop? (Haberdager), Monday, 22 January 2007 16:17 (nineteen years ago)

Simple Plan
Pink
B2K
Hoobastank
Macy Gray
Puddle of Mudd
Uncle Kracker
Five for FIghting
DJ Sammy
All dancehall except Sean Paul

The Good Dr. Bill (The Good Dr. Bill), Monday, 22 January 2007 16:29 (nineteen years ago)

Macy Gray is 1999.

EXCEPT Sean Paul (?)


That list isn't bad though.

wogan lenin (dog latin), Monday, 22 January 2007 16:40 (nineteen years ago)

Linkin Park still the most otm post of this thread

Curt1s St3ph3ns, Monday, 22 January 2007 16:41 (nineteen years ago)

At least in my experience.

Curt1s St3ph3ns, Monday, 22 January 2007 16:41 (nineteen years ago)

"I Try" was 2000 (and her bizarro cameo in Spiderman was '02), only critics and public radio listeners had heard of her before that.

Sean Paul had two top five singles this year (one of which went to #1) so I think he's escaped relic status for at least another year or two.

I'd wait until Linkin Park puts out their third album before declaring them dead--keep in mind that they haven't released a full album in almost a half-decade, and their side projects since (Collision Course, Fort Minor) have been fairly successful.

The Good Dr. Bill (The Good Dr. Bill), Monday, 22 January 2007 16:50 (nineteen years ago)

My Chemical Romance

Adam J. Goldstein (Sharkfins), Monday, 22 January 2007 16:51 (nineteen years ago)

Kid Rock

kornrulez6969 (TCBeing), Monday, 22 January 2007 16:55 (nineteen years ago)

Is Good Charlotte the 00s Bush?
Whatshisnameleadsinger of Good Charlotte:Hilary Duff::Whatshisnameleadsinger of Bush:Gwen Stefani?

Huk-L (Huk-L), Monday, 22 January 2007 18:42 (nineteen years ago)

Don't forget Reggaeton!

The what the fuck?

The Reverend Rodney J. Greene With Strings (R. J. Greene), Monday, 22 January 2007 18:56 (nineteen years ago)

Kanye West really shouldn't count as he only really came onto the scene nationally in 2004 (the beginning of the middle of the decade) and hasn't really faded away too much.

Cunga (Cunga), Tuesday, 23 January 2007 01:37 (nineteen years ago)

England is like some crazy alternate universe where 10k selling rock acts (Thrills, Coral, et al.) were culturally relevant and Sean Paul was a flash in the pan.

milo z (mlp), Tuesday, 23 January 2007 03:11 (nineteen years ago)

Puddle of Mudd seems like a pretty safe bet.

Zachary S (Zach S), Tuesday, 23 January 2007 03:38 (nineteen years ago)

America is like some crazy alternate universe where Reggae-lite fads like Sean Paul were culturally relevant and The Coral and The Thrills were... oh wait...

wogan lenin (dog latin), Tuesday, 23 January 2007 12:13 (nineteen years ago)

Incubus
Samantha Mumba
Craig David

Roz (Roz), Tuesday, 23 January 2007 18:23 (nineteen years ago)

America is like some crazy alternate universe where Reggae-lite fads like Sean Paul were culturally relevant and The Coral and The Thrills were... oh wait...

I'm not really a fan, but I have a feeling Sean Paul has slightly more name recognition world-wide than The Coral or The Thrills.

R_S (RSLaRue), Tuesday, 23 January 2007 18:29 (nineteen years ago)

Geir OTM with Destiny's Child, the en vogue of the 00's
who's the new boyz II men?

Fetchboy (Felcher), Tuesday, 23 January 2007 18:50 (nineteen years ago)

the quality of student music-writing is execrable, with cliche piled on cliche, misconception piled on ignorant generalisation.

HARK

http://www.varsity.co.uk/arts/717/1/

to scour or to pop? (Haberdager), Tuesday, 23 January 2007 19:31 (nineteen years ago)

All those teen girl singer-songwriters (Avril, Vanessa Carlton, Michelle Branch etc...)

The Dusty Baker Selection (Charles McCain), Tuesday, 23 January 2007 19:48 (nineteen years ago)

That's very true ... it's blatantly obvious that the collected music of every "I am the anti-Britney" female artist will have 0.1% of the longevity of any number of Britney Spears hits.

NoTimeBeforeTime (Barry Bruner), Tuesday, 23 January 2007 19:57 (nineteen years ago)

VEX RED

-- Dom Passantino (juror...) (webmail), Yesterday 1:39 AM. (Dom Passantino) (later) (link)

dom, you are my hero.

CharlieNo4 (Charlie), Tuesday, 23 January 2007 20:38 (nineteen years ago)

Shaggy.


Though he could stage a comeback... most would've thought he was a relic of the 90s before "It Wasn't Me"/"Angel".

The Brainwasher (Twilight), Tuesday, 23 January 2007 20:41 (nineteen years ago)

http://imagesource.art.com/images/-/Sisqo--Dragon--C10292112.jpeg

The Dusty Baker Selection (Charles McCain), Tuesday, 23 January 2007 21:06 (nineteen years ago)

lol

The Brainwasher (Twilight), Tuesday, 23 January 2007 21:07 (nineteen years ago)

outkast

a.b. (alanbanana), Tuesday, 23 January 2007 21:29 (nineteen years ago)

The Artful Dodger

zeus (zeus), Tuesday, 23 January 2007 21:56 (nineteen years ago)

Ryan Adams
The Hives
Doves
Black Rebel Motorcycle Club
Wilco
The Vines

darin (darin), Wednesday, 24 January 2007 01:16 (nineteen years ago)

Cody Chesnutt

Rev. Hoodoo (Rev. Hoodoo), Wednesday, 24 January 2007 02:31 (nineteen years ago)

Avril Lavigne

Rev. Hoodoo (Rev. Hoodoo), Wednesday, 24 January 2007 04:30 (nineteen years ago)

50 cent

Disco Nihilist (mjt), Wednesday, 24 January 2007 05:20 (nineteen years ago)

Fountains of Wayne pulled a rare feat in pop music. The way they almost became a breakout band and then faded away in the mid 90s, only to come back ten years later with a smash song that was promoted like they were a new band, is so very weird. It's almost like they've been a semi-successful band and then a one-hit-wonder, with no mainstream connection made between the two achievements. They're the pop equivalent of born-again virgins.

Cunga (Cunga), Wednesday, 24 January 2007 05:31 (nineteen years ago)

Thinking of it, I think mentioning the likes of The Coral or any Sixties revivalists are a bit off-topic here, regarding their music are generally timeless, it could have been done 35 or 15 years ago as well. Bit listening A Flock Of Seagulls, they were so Eighties, that their music couldn't have made in a different era. That's why I think the typically 00s phenomenons are the correct answers: UK Garage, Dancepunk, almost everything produced by the Neptunes, etc.

zeus (zeus), Wednesday, 24 January 2007 10:54 (nineteen years ago)

Fair enough. Their sound certainly wouldn't have been out of place during a number of times during the last few decades. I was just thinking about FoW earlier and couldn't help but notice the irony of them being left-field one-hit-wonders two decades in a row.

Cunga (Cunga), Wednesday, 24 January 2007 19:30 (nineteen years ago)

"I may be thinking of The D4"

The D4 have broken up, yo.

GLC (ZakAce), Wednesday, 24 January 2007 21:10 (nineteen years ago)

When I think late 90's, boy bands and Limp Bizkit come to mind.

When I think early 00's, I'm tortured by the hyper-compressed, over-produced, sore-throated sounds of the latter-day Creed knock-offs and Canadians. And basically anyone played on a radio station with the word "Mix" in the title.

Nickelback
Tantric
Fuel
3 Doors Down
Puddle of Mudd
Train
Staind
Godsmack

Et al

Chris Wright (DrFunktronic), Wednesday, 24 January 2007 21:43 (nineteen years ago)

England is like some crazy alternate universe where 10k selling rock acts (Thrills, Coral, et al.) were culturally relevant and Sean Paul was a flash in the pan.

it's not, it's just that a lot of the britishers on this thread are weird and barely know what cultural significance is. sean paul is STILL tres popular here, and no one cared about the other two even at the time

lex pretend (lex pretend), Wednesday, 24 January 2007 21:45 (nineteen years ago)

The Thrills are Irish, not British, you racist schweinehund!

zeus (zeus), Wednesday, 24 January 2007 22:58 (nineteen years ago)

Gorillaz might not be in this category yet, but (like them or not) they're sort of destined for this sort of infamy.

John Justen is fucking sick of his username (johnjusten), Wednesday, 24 January 2007 23:21 (nineteen years ago)

The Coral's "Magic and Medicine" sold a lot more copies than both "The Trinity" and "Dutty Rock" over here.

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Wednesday, 24 January 2007 23:24 (nineteen years ago)

"The Invisible Invasion" outsold "The Trinity" but not "Dutty Rock".

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Wednesday, 24 January 2007 23:32 (nineteen years ago)

it's not, it's just that a lot of the britishers on this thread are weird and barely know what cultural significance is.

This from someone who once wondered why anyone would even want to know, or should care, about who shot JFK? And thinks Paris Hilton is an important cultural signifier?

ailsa (ailsa), Wednesday, 24 January 2007 23:46 (nineteen years ago)

David Gray?

Saxby D. Elder (Saxby D. Elder), Wednesday, 24 January 2007 23:52 (nineteen years ago)

Also: just about every boy and girl band*** you can name...that phenomenon is out the back door now.

You've not noticed the love for Girls Aloud round here then?

ailsa (ailsa), Wednesday, 24 January 2007 23:55 (nineteen years ago)

Talk about cultural significance... I interpret "relic" as an artist or a band making a real impact on the int. musical community. Sean Paul makes a big difference, like it or not, fronting a new turn in American music. Bores like Nickelback and Avril Lavigne on the other hand are just tagging on to a already well-established genre, copies of Metallica/Staind and Britney etc, and will be forgotten with joy.

the Dirt (FunkDirt), Thursday, 25 January 2007 09:14 (nineteen years ago)

FFS it's not about who'll be forgotten, it's about who'll be remembered for the wrong reasons. This probably won't include the Coral or The Thrills, who sold a shedload of albums if I remember correctly. It will include The Libertines though.

There's some astonishing bullshit on this thread, especially the idiot who argued that all dancehall except Sean Paul will be remembered as some flash-in-the-pan early 00s fad.

Matt DC (Matt DC), Thursday, 25 January 2007 09:19 (nineteen years ago)

Interesting thread in that it points up how there can never be another Flock of Seagulls, really, because the audience now is so fragmented. Every one of these relics will be Flock of Seagulls to their individual niche, but won't make a good punchline in a sitcom of the future b/c their appeal was not broad enough. This even though many of the bands mentioned sold many more records than Flock of Seagulls, strangely.

Mark (MarkR), Thursday, 25 January 2007 14:01 (nineteen years ago)

matt, Dancehall, well in the UK at least blew up HUGE in the summer of 2003 and there were a large amount of threads on ILM about it and Wayne Wonder, Sean Paul etc were heading the charts. You just can't say this about the music climate today. Of course Dancehall is alive and well today but you just can't argue the all encompassing cultural significance that it had in 2003. Same as the charts in 1993 had a number of Dancehall/Reggae-Pop tunes by Shabba Ranks, Inner Circle, Shaggy etc. It's not that these acts stopped making tunes, they just stopped capturing the imagination of the public at large - at least till the next crossover hit.

wogan lenin (dog latin), Thursday, 25 January 2007 14:28 (nineteen years ago)

eight months pass...

Whew, I made this nine months ago? Wow. Any new entrants into this list?

Cunga, Wednesday, 10 October 2007 20:50 (eighteen years ago)

Birtney

Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 10 October 2007 20:51 (eighteen years ago)

MYLO.

Matt DC, Wednesday, 10 October 2007 21:09 (eighteen years ago)

TRAPT

gman, Wednesday, 10 October 2007 21:13 (eighteen years ago)

Boy/Girl bands were sort of on the way out in 2001 already, no?

Geir Hongro, Wednesday, 10 October 2007 21:32 (eighteen years ago)

I mean, I see that as a more typical 90s thing. Particularly the late 90s, but the decade started with New Kids On The Block, Take That and East 17, so boybands were around already by then.

Geir Hongro, Wednesday, 10 October 2007 21:33 (eighteen years ago)

The Cooper Temple Clause
DJ Pied Piper & The Master of Ceremonies

Gavin in Leeds, Wednesday, 10 October 2007 21:45 (eighteen years ago)

ARE Weapons

nabisco, Wednesday, 10 October 2007 22:20 (eighteen years ago)

wow. what a shitty, depressing decade.

: (

max r, Wednesday, 10 October 2007 22:22 (eighteen years ago)

Neptunes.

Tuomas, Friday, 12 October 2007 09:51 (eighteen years ago)

one year passes...

The people we could fit in this thread seems to have tripled in the past two-and-a-half years.

Cunga, Wednesday, 19 August 2009 07:38 (sixteen years ago)

lool i was listening to the Q music cd scott mentions upthread the other day. pretty good really, though the lorien track has hell of creepy lyrics

sorry for the OT

you! me! posting! (electricsound), Wednesday, 19 August 2009 07:42 (sixteen years ago)

http://roomp3.com/img_ar/2903.jpg

(ƨnɘhqɘϯƧ ƨ1ϯɿuƆ) | HI!!!!! | (Curt1s Stephens), Wednesday, 19 August 2009 07:44 (sixteen years ago)

Guy on the right looks familiar.

Peinlich Manoeuvre (NickB), Wednesday, 19 August 2009 08:13 (sixteen years ago)

Beyonce and Nelly. In Europe, anyway.

Tied Up In Geir (Geir Hongro), Wednesday, 19 August 2009 09:15 (sixteen years ago)


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