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What do you think? I find it very user-unfriendly so far. Dud.

― curmudgeon, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 22:48 (eighteen years ago)

Ugh

― curmudgeon, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 22:49 (eighteen years ago)

You'll get used to it. Also, remember: work in progress.

― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 22:50 (eighteen years ago)

i love it. classic. remember it's a work in progress, dude. as keith has explained about 100 times on ILE, the priority now is just getting something that works and is stable.

nu-ILX wasn't meant to go live this quickly, but thanks to jon's tireless diligence in pointing out the security holes and other flaws in the old code, which absolutely nobody else was aware of or had ever discussed, the go-live date was brought forward substantially.

― grimly fiendish, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 22:50 (eighteen years ago)

I had no idea no one liked it!

― Alex Forgot His Email Address in SF, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 22:51 (eighteen years ago)

i am really starting to fucking miss the x-post warning, though :o

― grimly fiendish, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 22:51 (eighteen years ago)

no x-post warning?

that's seriously going to kill my long-thought out three sentence posts.

― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 22:53 (eighteen years ago)

Too much white space makes it hard to skim the new answers thread, and the individual threads. The new way names appears is not as fun. The google search is set up weird--you place a term in a box, but then instead of clicking "search" as I tried to do, you have to click "submit a question". The "search ilx" function has way too much white space and not as much information and detail from prior threads. You have to keep clicking 'next' because the threads are so spread out.

I really do appreciate all the hard work, but sometimes ala "new coke," change is not good.

― curmudgeon, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 22:57 (eighteen years ago)

Hmmm, this is weird.

― baaderonixx, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 22:58 (eighteen years ago)

Maybe you should at least give it 48 hours before you start complaining?

― Rockist Scientist, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 22:59 (eighteen years ago)

I do wish we still had the option to change our display names.

― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 23:00 (eighteen years ago)

Please think of it this way, and I will say this once here on this board in the hopes that I will not have to say it again -- the cosmetic changes you see here (and, again, I *must* emphasize this is still a work in progress) are ultimately not as important as the detailed coding changes that are designed to help make the board more secure, more stable and ultimately better to work with as time continues on. Assuming that how the board looks and acts right this second is how it will always be would be an error.

― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 23:01 (eighteen years ago)

(That was to curmudgeon, and I'm not trying to be explosively angry at this point but my god people are jumping to conclusions WAY too fast here.)

― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 23:03 (eighteen years ago)

We are offering constructive criticism ILX style.

― curmudgeon, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 23:03 (eighteen years ago)

I have to say that there is a very soothing minimalism to this new layout.

― baaderonixx, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 23:07 (eighteen years ago)

change is scary people, just breathe deep.

― M@tt He1ges0n, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 23:08 (eighteen years ago)

Ned, that's about the size of it. The bulk of the work went on making sure it was secure, even if that was only from Jon, but largely on making sure it would scale as well as it could, given that we don't have any money for servers.

So far, tonight, we have had 440,000 page hits, with the ILX software using only 0.3% of the CPU. That's good news so far, but it might not last. Fingers crossed. There will likely be some fixing to be done.

― Keith, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 23:09 (eighteen years ago)

I say tonight, obviously you have to adjust that for your timezone. Tonight GMT.

― Keith, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 23:12 (eighteen years ago)

The URL above says "#unread" at the end but it doesn't jump to the unread for me...is it just me or is this on the to-do list?

― musically, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 23:12 (eighteen years ago)

It will if you're logged in...

― Keith, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 23:13 (eighteen years ago)

it needs more boobies..

― wesley useche, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 23:14 (eighteen years ago)

I like it, I really do.

― Snowballing, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 23:16 (eighteen years ago)

I s there any way to link back to sandbox threads? I followed the new method for posting a hyperlink, but when I clicked on my sandbox hyperlink it did not send me to the sandbox but to an all ILE page. Maybe I am doing something wrong?

― curmudgeon, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 23:26 (eighteen years ago)

The jump-to-unread feature is really cool (and the no HTML reminder helpful).

I think I'll be used to this soon enough, but I'm definitely going to miss the display name feature. No "hoo got it for steen, vol. 4."

― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 23:27 (eighteen years ago)

need bookmarks

― deej, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 23:41 (eighteen years ago)

i am logged in and it does not jump to unread answers for me

― chaki, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 23:45 (eighteen years ago)

I dig this crazy new style

― DavidM, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 23:49 (eighteen years ago)

need links to 'new answers' etc. at bottom as well as top of board

― deej, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 23:50 (eighteen years ago)

Err...

― Keith, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 23:52 (eighteen years ago)

damn crybabies

― blueski, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 23:54 (eighteen years ago)

i really like the new layout so far...looks cleaner than the old one, better spread out with good use of empty space...it's really nice

― stephen, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 23:56 (eighteen years ago)

any chance of a URL rewriter up in here? ilxor.com/56333 instead of all that CONTROLLER mess up in there, makes it feel more robotic

― neustile, Thursday, 22 February 2007 00:06 (eighteen years ago)

the layout is throwing me a bit, but i like the use of white space

it's prettier, more refined, less techy

kind of pleasing overall :-) that's my opinion, good only insofar as superficial opinions go

― Surmounter, Thursday, 22 February 2007 00:12 (eighteen years ago)

It's horrible. Total dud.

― The Brainwasher, Thursday, 22 February 2007 00:29 (eighteen years ago)

Err...

Keith on Wednesday, February 21, 2007 5:52 PM (43 minutes ago)

i mean below the answers box.

― deej, Thursday, 22 February 2007 00:35 (eighteen years ago)

not all that great. i'm sure i'll get used to it at some point, though

― van smack, Thursday, 22 February 2007 00:38 (eighteen years ago)

all c/d threads should be polls from now on.

― Curt1s Stephens, Thursday, 22 February 2007 00:39 (eighteen years ago)

Many thanks for all the work programming and setting up the server. If we are taking a poll, I do not care for this new layout with all the white space -- too much scrolling.

― Mark, Thursday, 22 February 2007 00:41 (eighteen years ago)

i don't mind the scrolling at all

― stephen, Thursday, 22 February 2007 00:47 (eighteen years ago)

This new ILX board is blowing my mind, man.

― Mr. Snrub, Thursday, 22 February 2007 01:27 (eighteen years ago)

This new ILX board is blowing my mind, man.

Is that a good thing, a bad thing, or just a thing thing.

― Rockist Scientist, Thursday, 22 February 2007 01:31 (eighteen years ago)

it's a snrub thing. you wouldn't understand.

― scott seward, Thursday, 22 February 2007 01:50 (eighteen years ago)

why do i keep having to log-in all the time?

― scott seward, Thursday, 22 February 2007 01:51 (eighteen years ago)

Haha, I was just coming to ask about that. Doesn't it like my cookies?

― Rockist Scientist, Thursday, 22 February 2007 01:54 (eighteen years ago)

It logs you out after 30 minutes of inactivity for reasons of homeland security.

But it'll remember your post, so if you write a post then fill in your password, it'll post OK. Does fuck with the #unread thing a bit, however.

― .stet., Thursday, 22 February 2007 01:58 (eighteen years ago)

has there ever been a website redesign ever, anywhere that anyone here liked?

― keythkeyth, Thursday, 22 February 2007 02:20 (eighteen years ago)

Reminders that this is a work in progress = sensible

Encouraging people to catalog the cosmetic and functional elements they don't like, as a helpful guide to how exactly said work might progress to best serve everyone = equally sensible

― nabisco, Thursday, 22 February 2007 02:30 (eighteen years ago)

Very sensible.

― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 22 February 2007 02:42 (eighteen years ago)

at least it gives one something to talk about

― Surmounter, Thursday, 22 February 2007 02:51 (eighteen years ago)

As opposed to that nasty music.

― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 22 February 2007 02:54 (eighteen years ago)

Now the cut-to-new-post feature isn't working for me.

Just when I got to liking it so much!

― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 22 February 2007 02:55 (eighteen years ago)

Ah I wasn't logged in.

― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 22 February 2007 02:56 (eighteen years ago)

hehe... that nasty, nasty music!

― Surmounter, Thursday, 22 February 2007 03:03 (eighteen years ago)

the nu ILM reminds me of reading a textbook.

like i wouldn't be surprised if i saw something like

ex. Sally took Abe to the grocery store before the party

or

2 = log(100)

on here =P

― Surmounter, Thursday, 22 February 2007 03:06 (eighteen years ago)

if here =p...

― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 22 February 2007 03:30 (eighteen years ago)

hahahaha

― Surmounter, Thursday, 22 February 2007 03:31 (eighteen years ago)

i LOVE logic!

― Surmounter, Thursday, 22 February 2007 03:31 (eighteen years ago)

Sorry Ned, but hours(!) later I still think there's too much scrolling to do, and I'm still not crazy about how the 'search' pages look.

― curmudgeon, Thursday, 22 February 2007 04:10 (eighteen years ago)

Well, as Nabisco notes, it's good to note that in turn. The mod request board is there, to post further questions and concerns, and this thread will be reviewed by the coders as well, doubtless. I am not a coder. At most I'm a mod/cheerleader as such.

― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 22 February 2007 04:14 (eighteen years ago)

Shift-reload for a new style sheet.

― .stet., Thursday, 22 February 2007 04:14 (eighteen years ago)

The search pages definitely aren't final. Google results should all redirect, however.

― .stet., Thursday, 22 February 2007 04:15 (eighteen years ago)

The google search works, but as I noted upthread you have to realizethat you have to click "ask a question" rather than "search" when using it. Plus, there's too much space between 'hits' on the 'search' page results so you have to keep hitting next and scrolling and scrolling. I also recall old ILX search 'hits' having more detail in them.

I'm really not trying to be a pain.

― curmudgeon, Thursday, 22 February 2007 04:23 (eighteen years ago)

Looks way better already, thanks.

― Mark_R, Thursday, 22 February 2007 04:23 (eighteen years ago)

Yeh, "submit question" is the wrong label for the box. Old ILX search hits did have much more detail, but the problem with that is you have to ask the database for the first post in every thread you're displaying info for. The plan with this code was to keep database use to a complete minimum. We could look at that in the future, though.

I understand (some) folks aren't trying to be a pain, and we're not trying to be dicks and saying anything like "ILX will now and forever be like this and shut up". But there's only been a short amount of time to get this off the ground (work only started late last year) and there was never, ever any chance it would have all the features of old ILX (which was written over about five years, full of security holes and really heavy on the database).

Some things are unlikely to come back in the near future. HTML posting is a security risk, frankly. I loathe BBCode, but it's better than parsing a million and one holes out of HTML. Millions of per-user options are out, because they're a DB hit for each logged-in page, or another huge cache to worry about.

― .stet., Thursday, 22 February 2007 04:30 (eighteen years ago)

I keep having to re-login.

― Mike Dixn, Thursday, 22 February 2007 04:46 (eighteen years ago)

yeah, can that please be fixed? the logout button shouldn't even be there if we're automatically logged out.

― the table is the table, Thursday, 22 February 2007 04:50 (eighteen years ago)

ts: nu-ilm vs. nu-imdb

― billstevejim, Thursday, 22 February 2007 05:15 (eighteen years ago)

I haven't read this thread, but just wanted to add that I think the two most essential features we need:

1. changing names. please don't make me use this one forever. i like to stay kinda-a-little-whatever anonymous to random googlers.

2. bookmarking forums! entirely too much clicking!

― modestmickey, Thursday, 22 February 2007 05:24 (eighteen years ago)

is it just my imagination, or did i just refresh my browser and all the text got smaller? i have been drinking tonight.

― modestmickey, Thursday, 22 February 2007 05:26 (eighteen years ago)

Couldn't people use browser bookmarks, in the short term? Safari also makes keyboard shortcuts of the first 9 on yr bar (apple 1-9) which is even quicker.

― .stet., Thursday, 22 February 2007 05:27 (eighteen years ago)

Ick, Tomcat. And what's this bullshit with textbox styles? Dude, serif'd nanopoint fonts in text entry boxes is pure evil, especially on Safari.

― libcrypt, Thursday, 22 February 2007 05:35 (eighteen years ago)

.textbox, .smalltextbox {
color : #000000;
~~font-family: serif;~~
border: 2px solid #AAAAAA;
width: 600px;
}

― libcrypt, Thursday, 22 February 2007 05:41 (eighteen years ago)

I'm scared my real email will get out into the wild!

cut & paste text to remind me about the bbcode thing = good. plz 2 leave it there.

bbcode underline plz? glad strikethrough is staying, it helps with the snark...

― fandango, Thursday, 22 February 2007 09:09 (eighteen years ago)

top of page headline fonts be HEUG!

― fandango, Thursday, 22 February 2007 09:11 (eighteen years ago)

I'm getting logged out too :/

― fandango, Thursday, 22 February 2007 09:13 (eighteen years ago)

I'm really not trying to be a pain.

try harder.

― grimly fiendish, Thursday, 22 February 2007 09:20 (eighteen years ago)

i mean, jesus, dude. but as I noted upthread you have to realizethat you have to click "ask a question" rather than "search" when using it.

OH NOES NOBODY INSTANTLY CHANGED YOUR ICKLE BUTTON. weep weep fucking weep.

i've lost patience with a lot of people on ILX very quickly. unlike ned, i'm in no mood to be polite about it.

― grimly fiendish, Thursday, 22 February 2007 09:22 (eighteen years ago)

i'm getting v used to most features of nu-ilx, a lot of them are probably better, but wtf with the logging out? that's really annoying, esp as it logs you out without telling you, and then suddenly images come back on...

― lex pretend, Thursday, 22 February 2007 09:35 (eighteen years ago)

no, lex, don't you understand? the most vital and pressing issue facing the entire internet today is THE WORDING ON A BUTTON.

― grimly fiendish, Thursday, 22 February 2007 09:39 (eighteen years ago)

I have had to create a new account, as there was no way in hell I could remember my login. Oh well. Too many italics beneath posts and not enough lines, but I am sure this will change. Hurrah for better code!

― Scik Mouthy, Thursday, 22 February 2007 09:41 (eighteen years ago)

Also, I typo'd my username like a pillock and now I'm called Scik and can't see where to change it.

― Scik Mouthy, Thursday, 22 February 2007 09:45 (eighteen years ago)

you can't and you'll never be able to. get 20 or so email addresses for the foreseeable future, just in case you want to change at some point down the line.

― GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ, Thursday, 22 February 2007 10:04 (eighteen years ago)

those post separation bars are still way too wide & eye-distracting, the balance is simply off (if VASTLY better than the usual bbcode job) but I'm assuming it's being worked on already. all much appreciated :)

and v.glad restoring 'classic' ilx functionality (the good bits) seems to be priority #1

― fandango, Thursday, 22 February 2007 10:19 (eighteen years ago)

I'm sympathising with grimly's impatience a LOT right now.

― byebyepride, Thursday, 22 February 2007 10:34 (eighteen years ago)

so why don't you guys just not log on for a few days?

― GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ, Thursday, 22 February 2007 10:44 (eighteen years ago)

because, if i'm being honest, the level of cliping and whinging is substantially less than i imagined it would be; dude with his fucking button up there just pressed my big red button one time too many.

most people are being reasonable, with a small number of dishonourable exceptions from whom it would have been silly to expect better anyway.

― grimly fiendish, Thursday, 22 February 2007 10:56 (eighteen years ago)

i miss the random

― pinkmoose, Thursday, 22 February 2007 11:08 (eighteen years ago)

I like my board-generated password a lot, if it was created randomly I'm well impressed.

― Billy Dods, Thursday, 22 February 2007 11:40 (eighteen years ago)

keith is very, very proud of his password generator. you'll have made a friend for life there.

― grimly fiendish, Thursday, 22 February 2007 11:46 (eighteen years ago)

Christ, I take a one-day sabbatical from ILM and I don't recognize it the next day! I quite like the time-since-last-post indicator, that's been way-overdue.

― Myonga Vön Bontee, Thursday, 22 February 2007 12:37 (eighteen years ago)

I Fug Music

― Dom Passantino, Thursday, 22 February 2007 12:39 (eighteen years ago)

― stephen, Thursday, 22 February 2007 14:27 (eighteen years ago)

This might have been adressed already, but am I alone in no being directed to the last unread messages when re-opening a thread? Also, will there be any plans for reintroducing the bold page break indicating a revive?

Anyway, thanks to all involved, I never actually thought nu-ILX would see the light of day.

― baaderonixx, Thursday, 22 February 2007 14:33 (eighteen years ago)

I think the new format is fine (though I agree that the default tiny serif fault in the Post a Response window is dud) but I don't see the point of having the "thread started by xxx" info after each thread on the board. It clutters the list of thread titles with unnecessary text.

― Roy Kasten, Thursday, 22 February 2007 14:40 (eighteen years ago)

Might be more useful to have a "thread last updated by xxx"

― baaderonixx, Thursday, 22 February 2007 14:43 (eighteen years ago)

I am not directed to the last unread message either. Would also appreciate the indicators when a thread is revived.

― Mark Rich@rdson, Thursday, 22 February 2007 14:44 (eighteen years ago)

Hold up, now unread message seems to be working though it didn't before.

― Mark Rich@rdson, Thursday, 22 February 2007 14:48 (eighteen years ago)

i honestly do appreciate the effort that went into the new code, and trust that it's much more secure and such but i can't say i like the new interface at all.

― teenagequiet, Thursday, 22 February 2007 15:09 (eighteen years ago)

I miss my old password.

― Binjominia, Thursday, 22 February 2007 15:11 (eighteen years ago)

But just now, I discovered I could change my supplied password. Consequently, I fully endorse the NuILX.

― Binjominia, Thursday, 22 February 2007 15:17 (eighteen years ago)

the fact that I have to keep logging in to post isn't aggravating so much as that it isn't clear, just from looking at the page, whether I am logged in, so if I forget to check and hit 'Submit Response,' sometimes it tells me to log in and my post completely disappears by the time I try to go back.

― Alex in Baltimore, Thursday, 22 February 2007 15:17 (eighteen years ago)

why?

― JN$OT, Thursday, 22 February 2007 15:19 (eighteen years ago)

I just re-registered, looks fine

― sonderangerbot, Thursday, 22 February 2007 15:20 (eighteen years ago)

hm, yeah, I spoke too soon, it looks like that's stopped happening. kudos.

― Alex in Baltimore, Thursday, 22 February 2007 15:24 (eighteen years ago)

Hold up, now unread message seems to be working though it didn't before.

Me too, but now it seems to have gone again.

― baaderonixx, Thursday, 22 February 2007 15:40 (eighteen years ago)

It's fine...for now.

― JN$OT, Thursday, 22 February 2007 15:46 (eighteen years ago)

sometimes it tells me to log in and my post completely disappears by the time I try to go back.

If you get asked to login just do so. It will remember -- and post -- your post.

The unread thing only works if you're logged in. Currently you get logged out after 30 mins of inactivity, more or less.

― .stet., Thursday, 22 February 2007 15:49 (eighteen years ago)

so you have to log in with every visit? that i dont like

i also dont like the amount of letters on the new answers page

but hey, minor complaints. glad its back

― rizzx, Thursday, 22 February 2007 15:52 (eighteen years ago)

i like the changes to the main page, taking out the double spaces.

thx to all the folks that do this, i'm sure it's very hard work!

― M@tt He1ges0n, Thursday, 22 February 2007 15:55 (eighteen years ago)

Started by curmudgeon, last updated 17 seconds ago

i dont see why this is neccesary, you see who posted the question when you open the thread and who cares when it was last updated?

― rizzx, Thursday, 22 February 2007 15:58 (eighteen years ago)

I don't see the point of having the "thread started by xxx" info after each thread on the board. It clutters the list of thread titles with unnecessary text.

I actually like this a lot. Best new feature.

― jaymc, Thursday, 22 February 2007 15:59 (eighteen years ago)

Yeah, if New Answers is going to be the default setting from now on, I want to know whose thread it is.

― Matt DC, Thursday, 22 February 2007 16:05 (eighteen years ago)

If the subject interests me, I'll read the thread. Most get started by one person and then take on a life of their own, so who cares really who authored it?

― Roy Kasten, Thursday, 22 February 2007 16:14 (eighteen years ago)

not a watercooler fan then?

― blueski, Thursday, 22 February 2007 16:19 (eighteen years ago)

I don't really have a problem with most of nu-ILX at all, but I do dislike the "you'll take the new regime of the National Socialist Party and LIKE IT, damn you" tone some people are affecting when others say they have a problem with certain aspects of functionality or aesthetic appeal.

― strongohulkington, Thursday, 22 February 2007 16:20 (eighteen years ago)

If the subject interests me, I'll read the thread. Most get started by one person and then take on a life of their own, so who cares really who authored it?

There are lots of threads that I ignore because the subject is not one that interests me, and then I'll open it on a whim and suddenly be like, "Oh, if I'd known that Nabisco [or whomever] started it, I'd have clicked on it ages ago!"

― jaymc, Thursday, 22 February 2007 16:24 (eighteen years ago)

subscribe to his newsletter

― rizzx, Thursday, 22 February 2007 16:31 (eighteen years ago)

nuILX = Mac OS X (v.1.0)

― fandango, Thursday, 22 February 2007 16:33 (eighteen years ago)

BLOOD AND BOARD! CODE AND SOIL!

― max, Thursday, 22 February 2007 16:48 (eighteen years ago)

strongo: that attitude aint coming from me or Keith. What is -- and oculd have been put better, I admit -- is a plea to let the lack of X, Y and Z feature slide for a bit till we're sure the message posting and reading cache works.

― .stet., Thursday, 22 February 2007 18:06 (eighteen years ago)

I like my board-generated password a lot, if it was created randomly I'm well impressed.

Aye, I like that yeah. It's based on statistics that tell you the chances of letter x following letter y in English, so you get random passwords that sort of look like real words.

― Keith, Thursday, 22 February 2007 18:06 (eighteen years ago)

hmm. mine was "youareacunt".

― grimly fiendish, Thursday, 22 February 2007 18:09 (eighteen years ago)

Haha! Obviously there are a few special cases in there!

― Keith, Thursday, 22 February 2007 18:24 (eighteen years ago)

Can the main page links have the total number of answers as well as number of new answers for each thread?

Also, this is definitely low-priority, but RSS feeds would be very nice!

― musically, Thursday, 22 February 2007 19:11 (eighteen years ago)

Will probably get used to it after a while. The formatting is a bit different than on the old ILX, but I guess we'll eventually get used to [] rather than <>

― Geir Hongro, Thursday, 22 February 2007 20:21 (eighteen years ago)

apparently everyone on this board is stricken with Aspergers Syndrome.

― wesley useche, Thursday, 22 February 2007 20:25 (eighteen years ago)

Says Captain Nob-Terror

― Noodle Vague, Thursday, 22 February 2007 20:27 (eighteen years ago)

new board is not bad -- shocking to realize someone must have rebuilt it from scratch, so, that's appreciated

only comment I have is that the auto-logout 'feature' is a pain. I'm having to log in for seemingly every post & my e-mail address is not short -- is this how it's going to be from now on?

― Milton Parker, Thursday, 22 February 2007 20:29 (eighteen years ago)

use autologin mate

― wesley useche, Thursday, 22 February 2007 20:55 (eighteen years ago)

Just to confirm, the old categories have been done away with as well as the old browse by year/month bit? So the only way to pull up old threads is currently a google search yeah? Or am I overlooking something?

― altair nouveau, Thursday, 22 February 2007 21:01 (eighteen years ago)

Google Search or Direct ILX Search.

― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 22 February 2007 21:03 (eighteen years ago)

oh shoot... yeah, totally missed that link. thanks.

― altair nouveau, Thursday, 22 February 2007 21:07 (eighteen years ago)

Kudos and manly slaps on the back to everyone who helped with this. Great job.

― everything, Thursday, 22 February 2007 21:25 (eighteen years ago)

does nu-ilx not like hotmail? it refuses to email me my new password at my hotmail address -- i've tried three times, and i've tried the old "i forgot my password, pls send it to me" trick -- and it won't let me substitute another address because, of course, i don't have fact checking cuz's password which has apparently been emailed into the ether, and i can't re-register as fact checking cuz because of course there already is a fact checking cuz, he of the email in the ether and the hotmail address that nu-ilx hates, and so for now i can only be "sort of" who i say i am. dammit.

― fact checking cuz, sort of, Friday, 23 February 2007 02:12 (eighteen years ago)

There are a few people sendmail is choking on. Some of them have typo'd their email addresses. I've emailed them to sort that out. There are others whose mail host won't accept mail from ilxor.com, because it's not fully set up properly at the hosts. mailhost.com is one of them.

I don't see any problem emails for you. Send me a mail with the hotmail address you used to register and I'll take a look.

― .stet., Friday, 23 February 2007 02:17 (eighteen years ago)

well, you're my fact-checking cuz

― max, Friday, 23 February 2007 02:17 (eighteen years ago)

stet, thank you, i just mailed you. max, thank you (sort of, of course!).

― fact checking cuz, sort of, Friday, 23 February 2007 02:21 (eighteen years ago)

check yr hotmail, fact checking cuz

― .stet., Friday, 23 February 2007 02:36 (eighteen years ago)

got it, awesome, thank you.

― fact checking cuz, sort of, Friday, 23 February 2007 02:38 (eighteen years ago)

d'oh, i didn't even think to do this before, but prompted by your email i looked in my hotmail spam folder, and there was all my ilxor moderator mail with my password(s). damn hotmail.

― fact checking cuz, Friday, 23 February 2007 02:42 (eighteen years ago)

It seems good, just a bit different... needs time to get accustomized to it

― zeus, Friday, 23 February 2007 10:19 (eighteen years ago)

i've got accustomized.
love it. (except the autologout thing .. but i can live with that)
ta muchly for all the effort.

― mark e, Friday, 23 February 2007 11:01 (eighteen years ago)

I'm getting accustomed to it, but it's still less good than the old version currently, for all the reasons already mentioned/being worked on... most importantly, less readable, not skipping to the first unread answer, links ^up there getting in the bloody way and other things that feel unintuitive.

― fandango, Friday, 23 February 2007 11:06 (eighteen years ago)

What I miss the most from the old ILM is the automatic translation into hyperlinks. Sure, you can always use the link code below, but one tends to forget about those things while writing.

― Geir Hongro, Friday, 23 February 2007 13:33 (eighteen years ago)

What I miss the most from the old ILM is the automatic translation into hyperlinks.

Yeah, that is annoying. Luckily that kind of thing can be fixed pretty easily.

― Edward III, Friday, 23 February 2007 14:07 (eighteen years ago)

Is it actually possible to continue the most recent links from the Sandbox?

― Saxby D. Elder, Friday, 23 February 2007 23:33 (eighteen years ago)

It's being considered -- if you haven't seen the new FAQ, please do so:

Read me I am a FAQ

― Ned Raggett, Friday, 23 February 2007 23:34 (eighteen years ago)

First, thanks a lot to those who set this up.

Is there a way to turn off the skip-posts feature? I don't see that in the FAQ.

― Sundar, Friday, 23 February 2007 23:39 (eighteen years ago)

I don't think you can turn it off at present, it's just a matter of clicking on the link to call it back up. So basically once a formal 'please can y'all do this' thread is up and running, it'll be a feature to request though as noted we'll have to go through prioritizing what to do first.

― Ned Raggett, Friday, 23 February 2007 23:40 (eighteen years ago)

Read me I am a FAQ

Thanks, I was actually looking for this and I am sure I am some kind of idiot for not being able to find it. I am sure it is because I don't spend enough time "loose" in ILX, just ILM, if you dig.

Anyway, per the FAQ, can we migrate the thread I started (my first new question actually) about Digital-only releases into the Nu ILX? It was sort of just getting going and I think it has a lot of significance going forward (and you never forget your first!). Plus, a lot of non-Sandboxers might want to sound off on it.

If this is possible and whoever makes these decisions doesn't mind, that would be very much appreciated. Thanks! Many thanks also to all the people that make this thing go!!

― Saxby D. Elder, Saturday, 24 February 2007 04:46 (eighteen years ago)

I am sure I am some kind of idiot for not being able to find it.

Good lord no, in fact I think the FAQ needs to be made a chief menu option or something for clarity's sake alone. It only went live earlier today.

Anyway, per the FAQ, can we migrate the thread I started (my first new question actually) about Digital-only releases into the Nu ILX?

For the moment, what I'd suggest is starting the thread again here, then copy/pasting the Sandbox content. You might have to break it into a couple of separate posts.

― Ned Raggett, Saturday, 24 February 2007 04:48 (eighteen years ago)

Thanks, Keith -- the surface changes are more than offset by the improved performance. A whole lot of hours went into this.

― Brad C., Saturday, 24 February 2007 15:39 (eighteen years ago)

I don't think you can turn it off at present, it's just a matter of clicking on the link to call it back up.

― Rockist Scientist, Saturday, 24 February 2007 15:45 (eighteen years ago)

I assume that was done to give people a little more of a sense of how a particular long thread began, but if someone is searching the way I am descrbing (or maybe just skimming), it's really easy to miss that the thread is only partially displayed.

― Rockist Scientist, Saturday, 24 February 2007 15:47 (eighteen years ago)

For the moment, what I'd suggest is starting the thread again here, then copy/pasting the Sandbox content.

Just copy and paste as text then?

― Saxby D. Elder, Saturday, 24 February 2007 15:53 (eighteen years ago)

The problem now is that that whereas before that option appeared after the first post, now it's buried deeper into the thread. If you have a really long thread, and you use "find" to try to locate something on it, you may completely miss the fact that some posts are hidden.

Rockist Scientist

cosign, this "skipping xx posts" in the middle of a damn thread is ... in need of returning to how it used to behave on classic ilx (like almost everything else).

― fandango, Saturday, 24 February 2007 15:57 (eighteen years ago)

I miss the "XX Total Answers" on the front page

― Whiney G. Weingarten, Saturday, 24 February 2007 16:03 (eighteen years ago)

There's no option for multiple users on this one, so the hidden posts has to work best for majority of users. If we made it just last 50 posts, everyone who was coming to a thread for the first time would be clicking the link to show all posts, and so would the googlers. With it in the middle you get to see the start and end.

Link needs to be much more prominent, but.

― .stet., Saturday, 24 February 2007 16:11 (eighteen years ago)

Just copy and paste as text then?

Yup yup.

― Ned Raggett, Saturday, 24 February 2007 16:16 (eighteen years ago)

Link needs to be much more prominent, but.

Is there any way to make it a different color, say, or would that be impractical?

― Ned Raggett, Saturday, 24 February 2007 16:19 (eighteen years ago)

There's no option for multiple users on this one, so the hidden posts has to work best for majority of users.

Well, I see other regulars getting mixed up by where that link is now placed. Why should random googlers have that much weight in the decision?

Anyway, couldn't there still be something at the top of the thread saying that some posts have been hidden (in addition to the link to those posts in the middle)? I think that would work. Show the first however many posts and then hide some others, but let us know at the beginning of the thread that that's what's happening.

(I have joined the complainers, and it feels good.)

― Rockist Scientist, Saturday, 24 February 2007 16:28 (eighteen years ago)

Glad you feel good.

― Keith, Saturday, 24 February 2007 16:58 (eighteen years ago)

Different colour for links is fine. Making things more prominent is fine. Saying that things have been hidden is fine too.

― Keith, Saturday, 24 February 2007 16:59 (eighteen years ago)

Well, I see other regulars getting mixed up by where that link is now placed. Why should random googlers have that much weight in the decision?
<not serious>they outnumber us about 15 to 1?</not serious>

I'm only explaining why it's first 50 and last 50, not why there has to be only one link. Don't have any problem with making it more prominent

― .stet., Saturday, 24 February 2007 17:06 (eighteen years ago)

xpost

― .stet., Saturday, 24 February 2007 17:06 (eighteen years ago)

At the moment, googlers outnumber ILXors by around 100 to 1.

― Keith, Saturday, 24 February 2007 17:13 (eighteen years ago)

We must destroy them all.

― Ned Raggett, Saturday, 24 February 2007 17:16 (eighteen years ago)

Admittedly it might take time.

― Ned Raggett, Saturday, 24 February 2007 17:16 (eighteen years ago)

I could turn off the script that rewrites old URLs. Then we'd be alone here. ALONE.

― .stet., Saturday, 24 February 2007 17:17 (eighteen years ago)

T. S. Eliot was right! It IS a waste land!

― Ned Raggett, Saturday, 24 February 2007 17:18 (eighteen years ago)

I still don't understand this elitism regarding Googlers. This place would have been very boring if it had just been a bunch of 20 people agreeing all the time about how all guitar rock made by white people after 1980 sucks.

― Geir Hongro, Saturday, 24 February 2007 19:20 (eighteen years ago)

True that, Geir. All those early threads with Pinefox going on and on about Mobb Deep are really boring.

― Noodle Vague, Saturday, 24 February 2007 19:25 (eighteen years ago)

Geir, I am not anti-googler, I just seriously think it's reasonable to prioritize the needs and wants of the existing ILX community (?) which is already pretty big. I am not a native born ILXor anyway.

― Rockist Scientist, Saturday, 24 February 2007 19:29 (eighteen years ago)

I actually like the nu-ILX much more than the old...so there.

― SeekAltRoute, Saturday, 24 February 2007 20:24 (eighteen years ago)

Well, occasionally someone like Ramzi comes here as a Googler, and that makes the community better. Those appearances by the likes of Erlend Øye are also good for a laugh, as may even be the case of the appearances of fanatical Michael Jackson or DMB-fans, if kept in small doses.

― Geir Hongro, Saturday, 24 February 2007 20:32 (eighteen years ago)

As I moaned on the salsa thread, I want more general interest music fans (who also have some interest in salsa and other Spanish language music genres) to post on ILX. More Afropop and southern soul fans would be nice too. Alas, making additional changes in the look of the nu-ilx board may not be enough to bring such new people in (if they even exist).

― curmudgeon, Saturday, 24 February 2007 20:58 (eighteen years ago)

Ok, you can go back to tech related issues.

― curmudgeon, Saturday, 24 February 2007 20:59 (eighteen years ago)

Don't push the river, curmudgeon.

― Rockist Scientist, Saturday, 24 February 2007 21:13 (eighteen years ago)

Would ordinary typical Oasis-fans and Coldplay-fans be just as welcome? :)

― Geir Hongro, Saturday, 24 February 2007 23:39 (eighteen years ago)

Eh, maybe not, but hell, I say let it all hang out and see what happens.

I get to join the complainers too. Although I'll preface all this by saying I HAVE actually gotten used to all the white space. My eyes aren't hurting anymore. Also, can we have a poll about certain features we'd like to see changed or not changed? That would be nicely clean and democratic wouldn't it?

Also it seems to be going better with the constant logging in stuff. I found I was recognized and already logged in tonight when I didn't expect to be.

Okay so here's my main gripes:

1) I just want a clear way of figuring out where a thread was revived without scrolling needlessly like a dumbarse. Hopefully this isn't a complicated thing to accomplish?

2) I really did like it better when you didn't know who started the threads on the New Answers page. It injected an element of fun mystery into it, and it also kindof said "well the topic is more important than who started it" which I think is really true. It took any bias or prejudice out of the equation. Also there are some threads I started that I no longer feel much of a kinship with at all, so it's like...who cares that I started it? Also I agree it does clutter up the New Answers page. I also liked to be able to see how many total posts to each thread. Big difference between the Dave Matthews thread and something else, obv.

3) Xpost warning is needed but that has been established.

4) I am jealous of other folks who seemed to find cool features of the old ILX that I never even experienced!! Maybe I really missed out! :)

― Bimble, Sunday, 25 February 2007 08:02 (eighteen years ago)

Also I'm just plain fed up with the Search function. The allintitle: operator on google used to work. Why doesn't it now? Even the link that says "Direct ILX search" doesn't give me anything. Quotation marks don't make any difference either.

I just feel like if the search function is lost to google inferiority forever, then I can live with that and we can start anew but I would like to have been told that, honestly, months ago, instead of holding out hope of its improvement.

― Bimble, Sunday, 25 February 2007 08:22 (eighteen years ago)

Last thing on this topic and which should go without saying:

I would dearly love to reignite the creativity of changeable screen names. Surely the board's security can't be compromised too much by allowing this? It nearly breaks my heart to see Noodle Vague reduced to just...Noodle Vague. Say it isn't so.

― Bimble, Sunday, 25 February 2007 08:35 (eighteen years ago)

Does this mean that Comstock Carbinieri has made his last ILM post?

― Geir Hongro, Sunday, 25 February 2007 14:46 (eighteen years ago)

Yes, the field's wide open for you now, Geir

― Tom D., Sunday, 25 February 2007 14:58 (eighteen years ago)

Personally I like the idea that screen names are fixed; knowing who is posting what trumps whatever amount of creativity will be lost.

― Mark Rich@rdson, Sunday, 25 February 2007 15:31 (eighteen years ago)

Well, keep in mind the possibility of name change has not been ruled out forever, merely that it was not a priority in the new code. There'll be more discussion about options soon, but patience will be needed.

― Ned Raggett, Sunday, 25 February 2007 15:47 (eighteen years ago)

I kind of liked the changeability, also having names + email addresses + username gave you more info to parse in order to suss who was who.

― ailsa, Sunday, 25 February 2007 15:57 (eighteen years ago)

things I miss: the bar that separates posts with a large span of time in between them, the "total answers' stat on the new answers page

things that are weird: the post-skipping thing. especially without total answers to give you some expectation of the thread size, it can be kind of confusing.

― bernard snowy, Sunday, 25 February 2007 16:33 (eighteen years ago)

the thread skip message should be a bit clearer, red text or something. with a nice box around it. (it doesn't even have a style associated with it at the moment, it's just a standard <p>.)

and yes, a thicker <hr> line seperating posts from different periods (um, can't think of an easy way of doing this without checking each post. and how long is too long?)

― koogs, Sunday, 25 February 2007 17:39 (eighteen years ago)

Koogs! Nice box around it... You're a brave man to suggest that.

― Keith, Sunday, 25 February 2007 17:43 (eighteen years ago)

http://www.i-l-m.com/docroot/images/home_2.jpg

― Rockist Scientist, Sunday, 25 February 2007 18:14 (eighteen years ago)

things i like about the new ilx:
- pages load very fast
- no breakdowns yet

things which should be improved
- as has been said before, long periods of silence in a thread should be made more visible.
- i think too much space is wasted. what i don't get at all is that the 8 tabs (or main links) are on three lines. why aren't they on one line there should be enough space even on a 14'' monitor. and what is the best way to get to the end of a thread? when i press ctrl end i arrive at the formatting tips and have to scroll up at least two screens to get to the posts located before the box. that is quite annoying, i find.
- in the old ilm new questions without answers yet were bold on the new answers page and were easy to spot. now they aren't anymore but they have (1 answer) next to them. that's wrong!
- has been mentioned before too: i'd like to see if i am logged in or out.

― alex in mainhattan, Sunday, 25 February 2007 18:26 (eighteen years ago)

alex in mainhattan OTM on all points.

― Tracer Hand, Sunday, 25 February 2007 18:35 (eighteen years ago)

Personally I like the idea that screen names are fixed; knowing who is posting what trumps whatever amount of creativity will be lost.

Mark Rich@rdson

why DID people turn "show username" off anyway? only got yourselves to blame there!

― fandango, Sunday, 25 February 2007 19:14 (eighteen years ago)

I think it's do with them being fucking noobs or something.

― Noodle Vague, Sunday, 25 February 2007 19:18 (eighteen years ago)

There are people who never used the new answers page! People be weird!

― ailsa, Sunday, 25 February 2007 21:00 (eighteen years ago)

I liked the new questions page. :(

― novaheat, Sunday, 25 February 2007 21:12 (eighteen years ago)

it's called "recent questions" now and you can find it under "more...".

― alex in mainhattan, Sunday, 25 February 2007 21:17 (eighteen years ago)

Oh.

― curmudgeon, Monday, 26 February 2007 01:10 (eighteen years ago)

Seems like there are less folks posting on this board than in the past. Or maybe I'm just looking at the wrong threads (and likely it has little to do with the nu format but who knows.) And who needs those folks who left anyway!

― curmudgeon, Tuesday, 27 February 2007 14:28 (eighteen years ago)

A number of folks are having problems accessing the board from work situations -- it's being looked into, we think it has something to do with web proxies. Traffic has dropped some beyond that, certainly, but life goes on!

― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 27 February 2007 15:10 (eighteen years ago)

Sorry if this has been mentioned upthread, but for me the grey opened threads are reverting back to the blue unopened threads every day--it makes it hard to keep up with what you've read or not.

― Billy Pilgrim, Tuesday, 27 February 2007 15:24 (eighteen years ago)

three weeks pass...

I guess the " direct search" function is not able to bring up recent threads (from the last few weeks or so).

― curmudgeon, Friday, 23 March 2007 21:00 (eighteen years ago)

Really? Hmmm. Can you post a thread on that on the mod request board with specific examples?

For those not checking ILE, a general code update has been done and Keith/Stet are looking to implement it in the very near future.

― Ned Raggett, Friday, 23 March 2007 21:07 (eighteen years ago)

Preview and test board with the new code.

― Ned Raggett, Friday, 23 March 2007 21:08 (eighteen years ago)

I was sure there was a recent thread on DC rock bands. I was trying to find it to post on that new thread about DC hardcore but was unable to find it via either a google search or a direct search. Hmmmm, was it "d.c." in the title or "dc" or maybe "washington" .

― curmudgeon, Friday, 23 March 2007 21:21 (eighteen years ago)

I think there is a character limit so anything shorter than four letters won't register in the search.

― Alex in SF, Friday, 23 March 2007 21:22 (eighteen years ago)

That explains it, I guess. I came up with threads with "Dischord" in the title, but not d.c. or dc

― curmudgeon, Friday, 23 March 2007 21:50 (eighteen years ago)

Ned,

Can you explain to those like me with little programming skills what the effect of the "general code update" will be? Will we see a difference? Just curious.

― curmudgeon, Friday, 23 March 2007 22:06 (eighteen years ago)

Have you played around a bit on the test board yet? You'll be able to see some of the differences there, including how images work and the general appearance of the board. There's a rough list of changes somewhere but I'll have to dig it up; in the meantime, doesn't hurt to get familiar with the new version of the board in the meantime!

― Ned Raggett, Friday, 23 March 2007 22:10 (eighteen years ago)

I get timeout "Problem loading page"s on the test board link, Ned.

― Doctor Casino, Friday, 23 March 2007 23:47 (eighteen years ago)

This is pretty minor, but it would be nice if we could see the New Answers page for the whole week - like we used to do on oldILX. A next page function - like on the Recent Questions page would be great.

― danzig, Saturday, 24 March 2007 00:01 (eighteen years ago)

I get timeout "Problem loading page"s on the test board link, Ned.

Hmm, weird! I'll get Keith and/or Stet to check in here as they can.

― Ned Raggett, Saturday, 24 March 2007 00:04 (eighteen years ago)

I've missed that too, just to cosign.

― fandango, Saturday, 24 March 2007 00:07 (eighteen years ago)

also, my eyes keep reading "New Answers page" as "New Avengers page," can someone do something about that?

― Doctor Casino, Saturday, 24 March 2007 00:08 (eighteen years ago)

one year passes...

Need to get use to this now.

― curmudgeon, Sunday, 14 September 2008 01:17 (seventeen years ago)

Oh, I can change the style:

Change Style
Please select one of the following styles:

kenan_style.css: Kenan's Stylesheet
style-monochrome-no-borders.css: Standard Stylesheet in monochrome, tables with no borders
old.css: Original ILX2 Live Stylesheet
naus.css: Naus's Styelsheet: comic sans; pretty in pink
black.css: Black Background Stylesheet
iPhone.css: Stylesheet Designed for use on the iPhone
keith.css: Original ILX2 Stylesheet. Highlights DIVs
style-monochrome.css: Standard Stylesheet in monochrome
style2.css: Standard Stylesheet
test.css: Test Stylesheet. Liable to change.
blueski.css: Blueski's Stylesheet
style.css: Standard Stylesheet
3270.css: IBM 3270 Terminal Emulator

― curmudgeon, Sunday, 14 September 2008 01:23 (seventeen years ago)

Where's the "google search"

― curmudgeon, Sunday, 14 September 2008 02:37 (seventeen years ago)

I like it. Just different enough to be interesting, while retaining that familiar (and totally welcome) minimalism.

― Tantrum The Cat, Sunday, 14 September 2008 04:31 (seventeen years ago)

I have to say that there is a very soothing minimalism to this new layout.

I'm with you. I love the new layout. Very professional looking, yet minimal and striking.

― ilxor, Sunday, 14 September 2008 04:35 (seventeen years ago)

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