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why not just start a thread, this is worse than YSI spam.

― moonship journey to baja, Friday, 13 April 2007 22:04 (eighteen years ago)

well sorry I only did three.

Polls ARE threads you know.

― Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, 13 April 2007 22:04 (eighteen years ago)

why don't you create a poll about which poll is the worst

― Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, 13 April 2007 22:05 (eighteen years ago)

because polls are stupid, i just said that

as if the new ILX isn't eyebleedingly ugly enough without bright red [POLL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!] all over the new answers page

― moonship journey to baja, Friday, 13 April 2007 22:06 (eighteen years ago)

OMG WHO IS THE SADISTIC FUCKER WHO IS MAKING YOU CLICK ON THOSE LINKS THAT SPECIFICALLY SAY NEW POLL?!?!?

― NYCNative, Friday, 13 April 2007 22:08 (eighteen years ago)

no really this is pretty obnoxious

― deej, Friday, 13 April 2007 22:08 (eighteen years ago)

the polls are fun .. it's good mindless stuff on a slow Friday at work

― Stormy Davis, Friday, 13 April 2007 22:09 (eighteen years ago)

I think they should be on a separate board within the site, personally.

― sleeve, Friday, 13 April 2007 22:15 (eighteen years ago)

i was going to suggest to keith that he change the red poll text to make it more subtle because i knew SOMEBODY would complain about their abundance.

― blueski, Friday, 13 April 2007 22:16 (eighteen years ago)

as if the new ILX isn't eyebleedingly ugly enough

IT LOOKS THE SAME, WEIRDO

― blueski, Friday, 13 April 2007 22:16 (eighteen years ago)

This is all very annoying. I agree with any comment amde above so long as it is negative.

― I know, right?, Friday, 13 April 2007 22:17 (eighteen years ago)

It so does not look the same!

― I know, right?, Friday, 13 April 2007 22:18 (eighteen years ago)

And it looked really horrible for a while.

― I know, right?, Friday, 13 April 2007 22:18 (eighteen years ago)

Polls make more sense than some list threads, in that instead of having just a bunch of names listed throughout the thread, you actually get a "public opinion" result at the end.

― Geir Hongro, Friday, 13 April 2007 22:20 (eighteen years ago)

OK the gap between the two dashes is slightly wider than old ILX i know. there's just nothing we can do about it. i'm so sorry.

― blueski, Friday, 13 April 2007 22:20 (eighteen years ago)

Hate the poll-starter, not the poll.

― blueski, Friday, 13 April 2007 22:20 (eighteen years ago)

FUCK A RESULT

discussion forums are about DISCUSSION, not RESULTS, U MORANS

― moonship journey to baja, Friday, 13 April 2007 22:22 (eighteen years ago)

WE LIKE BOTH DISCUSSION AND RESULTS

― blueski, Friday, 13 April 2007 22:23 (eighteen years ago)

I agree that a lot of the polls are really lame tho.

― blueski, Friday, 13 April 2007 22:23 (eighteen years ago)

Poll threads also contain discussion.

― Geir Hongro, Friday, 13 April 2007 22:23 (eighteen years ago)

I apologize for nothing!

― Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, 13 April 2007 22:26 (eighteen years ago)

Just because you don't like the poll subjects means the polls are crap but no one forces you to click them.
Most of the polls have had lots of replies and good discussions and aren't just those annoying list threads.

If a poll isn't on something you like. Then make your own!

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Friday, 13 April 2007 22:26 (eighteen years ago)

Just because you don't like the poll subjects means the polls are crap

TRUE

Most of the polls have had lots of replies and good discussions and aren't just those annoying list threads

FALSE

If a poll isn't on something you like. Then make your own!

BAN PKUNKBOY

― moonship journey to baja, Friday, 13 April 2007 22:27 (eighteen years ago)

the red [POLL closes: April 20][b/] really is annoying. it pushes the title of the thread off like 25 characters so your eye is constantly going left and right instead of just straight down scanning the first few words. terrible user experience. i've learned to completely ignore poll threads.

here's a brillian idea: put the [b][POLL closes: April 20] after the name of the thread or just in the first post/question. no one really needs to know it's a poll before they click on the thread.

― jaxon, Friday, 13 April 2007 22:39 (eighteen years ago)

vahid otm as always

― strongohulkington, Friday, 13 April 2007 22:40 (eighteen years ago)

xpost - fuck that code. here it is again w/o the fuck up

the red [POLL closes: April 20] really is annoying. it pushes the title of the thread off like 25 characters so your eye is constantly going left and right instead of just straight down scanning the first few words. terrible user experience. i've learned to completely ignore poll threads.

here's a brillian idea: put the [POLL closes: April 20] after the name of the thread or just in the first post/question. no one really needs to know it's a poll before they click on the thread.

― jaxon, Friday, 13 April 2007 22:40 (eighteen years ago)

ALSO, CAN WE PLEASE HAVE SIMPLE HTML BACK? THOSE STUPID BRACKETS ARE WAY TOO HARD TO TYPE AND I DON'T WANT TO HAVE TO CLICK THE CONVERT TO BB CODE EVERY TIME!!!

PLEASE!!!

― jaxon, Friday, 13 April 2007 22:41 (eighteen years ago)

despite starting one, i hate the polls too. create an "I Love Polls" board or something, because it's not like ILM/ILE weren't poll-exhausted enough as is.

― rps, Friday, 13 April 2007 22:44 (eighteen years ago)

YES PLEASE.

When I first logged on to ILM today the entire top half of New Answers was polls.

― sleeve, Friday, 13 April 2007 22:45 (eighteen years ago)

cosign

― fandango, Friday, 13 April 2007 22:49 (eighteen years ago)

the red [POLL closes: April 20] really is annoying. it pushes the title of the thread off like 25 characters so your eye is constantly going left and right instead of just straight down scanning the first few words. terrible user experience. i've learned to completely ignore poll threads.

8080 finally someone with eyes weighs in

― lfam, Friday, 13 April 2007 22:53 (eighteen years ago)

poll threads are just visual noise to me

― lfam, Friday, 13 April 2007 22:54 (eighteen years ago)

You know how to decide this? WITH A POLL!!

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Friday, 13 April 2007 22:54 (eighteen years ago)

the first poll on the new I LOVE POLLS board

― lfam, Friday, 13 April 2007 22:55 (eighteen years ago)

look, polling is great when you don't want nuance and an interesting comparison between several choices but unfortunately we are not electing the commander in chief of northern european melodic music

― lfam, Friday, 13 April 2007 22:59 (eighteen years ago)

There were several not particularly melodic acts in those polls. What they did have in common is they had either had some commercial success outside of their home country or some attention among (normal - not genre-specific) critics.

― Geir Hongro, Friday, 13 April 2007 23:01 (eighteen years ago)

[i}but unfortunately we are not electing the commander in chief of northern european melodic music[/i]

Good idea. I'll nominate Luke Haines.

More polls and more lists. Anti-list November was so boring it literally broke the old site.

― kornrulez6969, Friday, 13 April 2007 23:08 (eighteen years ago)

roffles

― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 13 April 2007 23:21 (eighteen years ago)

aspergerssyndrome.jpg

― Dimension 5ive, Friday, 13 April 2007 23:26 (eighteen years ago)

no list november was the bomb shit, you clown

― moonship journey to baja, Friday, 13 April 2007 23:31 (eighteen years ago)

2006 list:

1. nov

12. jan-oct, dec

― rps, Friday, 13 April 2007 23:34 (eighteen years ago)

ALSO, CAN WE PLEASE HAVE SIMPLE HTML BACK? THOSE STUPID BRACKETS ARE WAY TOO HARD TO TYPE AND I DON'T WANT TO HAVE TO CLICK THE CONVERT TO BB CODE EVERY TIME!!!

PLEASE!!!


YESS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

― s1ocki, Friday, 13 April 2007 23:57 (eighteen years ago)

Look -- people are going kind of nuts with the polls right now because it's new and fresh and fun in a different sort of way. Eventually the glossy sheen will wear off, and things will settle down. There will still be the occasional poll, but people will go back to arguing over semantics in their favorite genre of choice. So calm down. Either ignore them, or join in. It's fun!

― Jeff Treppel, Saturday, 14 April 2007 00:03 (eighteen years ago)

Poll to ban Jeff Treppel. all in say aye!

― jaxon, Saturday, 14 April 2007 00:06 (eighteen years ago)

"new and fresh and fun"

no.

― elmo argonaut, Saturday, 14 April 2007 00:09 (eighteen years ago)

Aye! Wait, what?

― Jeff Treppel, Saturday, 14 April 2007 00:10 (eighteen years ago)

The problem with the poll results is that they attempt to resolve issues of taste that are meant to be disputed, bitterly, without end.

― elmo argonaut, Saturday, 14 April 2007 00:11 (eighteen years ago)

the problem with most of the recent polls is that they're really boring! blue oyster cult? led zeppelin? are we on fidonet circa 1989? who am i?

discography arguments in particular bore and frustrate me - everyone brings in their entire mass of preference, judgment, blind spots, desire, apprehension - all the things that make up what you think about music, all the things that are interesting - and then studiously bury them as far down as possible, pausing only to say "houses of the holy is very overlooked" then someone says "it's not overlooked, in fact it's over-rated!" and it all becomes about reputations, whether certain albums are "deserving" or not, like some old professor of russian literature who just goes on and on about turgenev getting too much respect in the 1910's but then his star falling a couple of decades later. that could be interesting if you're going to draw inferences about society and how values in culture shape opinions about music but that's not really happening on these poll threads.

― Tracer Hand, Saturday, 14 April 2007 00:15 (eighteen years ago)

The problem with the poll results is that they attempt to resolve issues of taste that are meant to be disputed, bitterly, without end.

OTM. If you want to decide the best Beatles album (FFS, do you HAVE to), start a OPO thread, which might get some actual debate and discussion. Polls as implemented right now are an opporuntity to cast an anonymous vote which you don't have to justify, and which needn't be informed by previous debate. This makes them dumb and reductive. This is certainly why I skip them, and I guess why a lot of other people scroll right past them. We treat them as noise rather than signal.

I suspect people will get bored of starting them eventually and no code solution is needed, but honestly, stop fucking starting them.

― caek, Saturday, 14 April 2007 00:33 (eighteen years ago)

If you don't like them just ignore them. I don't see the need to tell everyone not to start them. If you're skipping them then it really shouldn't be annoying you.
If it's the fact that it comes up in red that's annoying people then that's not the poll starters fault. That can be changed easily I'm sure.

And yeah I think people will get bored. The poll function has been there a while now and this week is the 1st time it's been used so much. Things will settle down again.

Not everyone is going to like all the threads. Whether it's polls or not. If you don't like something skip it.

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Saturday, 14 April 2007 01:42 (eighteen years ago)

I never liked those list threads really. So I tended to skip most of them (unless I was really bored). Didn't see the point in complaining about them.

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Saturday, 14 April 2007 01:44 (eighteen years ago)

better polls than list threads i say

― latebloomer, Saturday, 14 April 2007 01:47 (eighteen years ago)

That I do agree with.

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Saturday, 14 April 2007 01:48 (eighteen years ago)

better a smack in the mouth than a kick in the groin

― Ronan, Saturday, 14 April 2007 01:53 (eighteen years ago)

well, yeah

― latebloomer, Saturday, 14 April 2007 02:13 (eighteen years ago)

http://www.killingmylobster.com/store/images/JacketPolls_FINAL_web.jpg

― gershy, Saturday, 14 April 2007 02:53 (eighteen years ago)

What to read by Turgeyev?

― If Timi Yuro would be still alive, most other singers could shut up, Saturday, 14 April 2007 03:01 (eighteen years ago)

ALSO, CAN WE PLEASE HAVE SIMPLE HTML BACK? THOSE STUPID BRACKETS ARE WAY TOO HARD TO TYPE AND I DON'T WANT TO HAVE TO CLICK THE CONVERT TO BB CODE EVERY TIME!!!


Bad case of mousey-finger, dude?

― libcrypt, Saturday, 14 April 2007 18:50 (eighteen years ago)

put the [POLL closes: April 20] after the name of the thread or just in the first post/question. no one really needs to know it's a poll before they click on the thread.

this is a good idea - would love to see it happen (might as well keep red text as blue also?)

― blueski, Sunday, 15 April 2007 12:36 (eighteen years ago)

also if I Love Polls happens tho I love Lists/I List Music didn't I am going to blow up the server and all of you with it.

― blueski, Sunday, 15 April 2007 12:37 (eighteen years ago)

I'm with Steve. (even though I bet he hates the polls I did as he doesn't like the bands)

I'm actually very thankful for this thread to give me a breakdown. The only one I have is the self-titled one, on cassette, and despite things starting well, it always ended up boring me. I always wanted to know all the Sabbath albums as well as I know all the Led Zep albums but it just never happened. I did buy the live Reunion CD and had a fucking ball with that circa 2000-2001. I bought it cause I saw a performance on MTV that really blew me away. I used to go outside my house and smoke weed in the backyard with it playing on my discman. Then I would come back inside, all full of energy.

Recently I downloaded a few tracks from Heaven Or Hell just cause I didn't know where to start. I haven't gotten around to listening to them yet, but it's *so* nice to have a poll break it all down into numbers for me to work with. Thanks.

-- Bimble,


OTM.
A poll thread is only as good as what you put into it. At least some of these threads are being useful.

So I hope you all find the pfunk poll threads useful and get into it!

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Sunday, 15 April 2007 13:12 (eighteen years ago)

Yeah, I just see it as a much more efficient way of doing things around here. We've had poll-like threads where someone had to add everything up (like the Nick Drake fave album thread I started awhile back) and it just makes it much easier and interesting if the computer does the tally for you. In fact, I wish the old R.E.M. Murmur vs. Reckoning thread could be switched to a poll.

But then I'm an accountant, I like numbers, can't help it.

― Bimble, Sunday, 15 April 2007 19:13 (eighteen years ago)

man those polls were really spoiling my enjoyment of the "Best song for wedding introductions?" and the "the best single around is the best selling single of the week" threads

― creme1, Sunday, 15 April 2007 19:34 (eighteen years ago)

I cannot muster the motivation to vote in any of the polls currently on New Answers.

― blueski, Friday, 20 April 2007 12:14 (eighteen years ago)

oh no

― David R., Friday, 20 April 2007 12:15 (eighteen years ago)

I'm disappointed with the lack of imagination in what's getting polled. But I'm quite glad to have them around. On the other hand I started a whole LJ pop community which runs on polls so I am a 'special case' I guess.

― Groke, Friday, 20 April 2007 12:21 (eighteen years ago)

I like the polls. It gets rid of a lot of bickering over which album is best and then you can talk about the band/music.

― the next grozart, Friday, 20 April 2007 12:25 (eighteen years ago)

I like that we have polls, but all these 'what is the best album by this BUNCH OF DINOSAURS' ones or at least the volume of them seems v unimaginative.

on the other hand i haven't thought of anything interesting (imo) to poll myself yet.

― blueski, Friday, 20 April 2007 12:28 (eighteen years ago)

i think these polls are necessary - the craze will go soon, and it's better than doing a "pick only one" thread. i think this is something ilm has been needing to get out of it's system for some time now, particularly in the case of pavement.

― the next grozart, Friday, 20 April 2007 12:30 (eighteen years ago)

i never let them in my system in the first place.

― blueski, Friday, 20 April 2007 12:31 (eighteen years ago)

ILM will never get Pavement out of its system.

You have pinned down something I do like about the polls though - it stops the equivalent of people on POO or POV threads going "Oh oh how can I restrict myself to just one" and listing five million, YES WE UNDERSTAND YOU ARE BIG FAN CLAP CLAP.

― Groke, Friday, 20 April 2007 12:32 (eighteen years ago)

I will vote in any poll that has a 'I don't like them but I do like Perry Como' type option.

― blueski, Friday, 20 April 2007 12:33 (eighteen years ago)

Who needs Pink Floyd, Dire Straits?
That's not our music, it's out of date
Demographic stereo
They never play the songs we know

― Tracer Hand, Friday, 20 April 2007 12:33 (eighteen years ago)

The archive footage (ha) of The Reynolds Girls on that 'one hit wonders we love to hate' programme or whatever it was supposed to be was v painful.

― blueski, Friday, 20 April 2007 12:35 (eighteen years ago)

Best Stock Aitken & Waterman song - now THERE's an idea for a poll!

― Marcello Carlin, Friday, 20 April 2007 12:35 (eighteen years ago)

the first poll on the new I LOVE POLLS board

I think this is actually a great idea - some people love polls, think voting in polls is way awesome - they can go vote & start polls all day, while people who think polls are kinda stupid and pointless won't have to be confronted with how outnumbered we are

― Hans Rott, Friday, 20 April 2007 12:40 (eighteen years ago)

ha i was thinking exactly the same!

xp2mc

― acrobat, Friday, 20 April 2007 12:41 (eighteen years ago)

Yeah seriously in the next rollout can we get rid of the word POLL in the thread title altogether? It's totally unnecessary.

― Matt DC, Friday, 20 April 2007 12:47 (eighteen years ago)

If mean FFS:

stop with these stupid polls [Started by moonship journey to baja, last updated 11 seconds ago] 18 new answers

Delete Lock Work Unsafe Undelete Unlock Worksafe Move Thread
[POLL closes: May 20] Best Yes Studio Album [Started by Joe, last updated 12 seconds ago] 8 new answers

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[POLL closes: May 19] Best KISS solo album [Started by Dougie Chimes, last updated 59 seconds ago] 3 new answers

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Why Is Hawkwind The Greatest Band Ever? [Started by Donkey Dick, last updated 1 minute ago] 37 new answers

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[POLL closes: April 27] Best Van Halen Album [Started by Jeff Treppel, last updated 2 minutes ago] 9 new answers

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[POLL closes: April 26] Best Madonna Album [Started by NYCNative, last updated 3 minutes ago] 12 new answers

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Rolling Metal Thread 2007, Part II [Started by pdf (Phil Freeman), last updated 3 minutes ago] 54 new answers

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[POLL closes: April 30] Best Rolling Stones Studio Album (1973-2005) [Started by JN$OT, last updated 4 minutes ago] 4 new answers

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Who are bigger enemies of the ILM, the six people who voted they don't like Black Sabbath or the sixteen people who voted they don't like Led Zeppelin? [Started by NYCNative, last updated 7 minutes ago] 45 new answers

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arctic monkeys - favourite worst nightmare [Started by titchyschneiderMk2, last updated 10 minutes ago] 10 new answers

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Ulrich Schnauss, Classic or Dud? [Started by Tim Stewart, last updated 16 minutes ago] 4 new answers

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[POLL closes: April 23] Best Talking Heads Studio Album [Started by the next grozart, last updated 27 minutes ago] 39 new answers

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[POLL closes: April 27] Best Elvis Costello Album [Started by kornrulez6969, last updated 28 minutes ago] 17 new answers

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[POLL closes: April 23] Best Beach Boys studio album? [Started by the next grozart, last updated 29 minutes ago] 19 new answers

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[POLL results] What's the best David Bowie studio album [Started by Geir Hongro, last updated 1 hour ago] 31 new answers

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rock family trees [Started by CharlieNo4, last updated 1 hour ago] 7 new answers

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Observer Music Monthly [Started by AlfieNoakes, last updated 1 hour ago] 11 new answers

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MIA - bittersüss [Started by félix pié, last updated 1 hour ago] 5 new answers

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[POLL results] Best Blue Oyster Cult Album [Started by Jeff Treppel, last updated 1 hour ago] 6 new answers

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[POLL closes: April 27] Best Go-Betweens Album [Started by mrlynch, last updated 1 hour ago] 11 new answers

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[POLL closes: April 25] Best Pavement/Malkmus album [Started by the next grozart, last updated 1 hour ago] 19 new answers

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Why does Europe love CocoRosie so much? [Started by tornup_andhurt, last updated 1 hour ago] 17 new answers

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News about the upcoming Björk album. [Started by Turangalila (Salvador), last updated 2 hours ago] 32 new answers

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[POLL results] Best Funkadelic Studio Album [Started by Shakey Mo Collier, last updated 2 hours ago] 29 new

― Matt DC, Friday, 20 April 2007 12:47 (eighteen years ago)

On the bright side, it'll die down once we've polled every single act ever to release more than one album.

― Matt DC, Friday, 20 April 2007 12:51 (eighteen years ago)

Best Song On Slanted Or Enchanted
Best EP
Best Member Of Pavement
Best Malkmus Haircut
Best Lyric
Best Line In The Best Lyric
ect ect

― Groke, Friday, 20 April 2007 12:54 (eighteen years ago)

I can't wait for the Graham Poll POLL.

― Marcello Carlin, Friday, 20 April 2007 13:06 (eighteen years ago)

i can't wait for best malkmus haircut

― the next grozart, Friday, 20 April 2007 13:08 (eighteen years ago)

OK New Answers is now wtf lol

― blueski, Friday, 20 April 2007 13:10 (eighteen years ago)

ARGH GOD MAKE IT STOP.

Actually, I suppose I could just delete them all but that wouldn't be strictly speaking fair play.

― Matt DC, Friday, 20 April 2007 13:11 (eighteen years ago)

'Best third track on a Fall album?'

― Matt DC, Friday, 20 April 2007 13:11 (eighteen years ago)

I am with the Irrational Spite Over Annoying Polls camp. I don't care if I don't have to click it, or even if the font colour gets changed, YOU SHOULDN'T BE DOING THIS, IT AIN'T RIGHT

― Michael Philip Philip Philip philip Annoyman, Friday, 20 April 2007 13:13 (eighteen years ago)

I don't think their current abundance is any worse than the wealth of boring non-poll threads, list threads. just because there is some silly red text at the front of each one, no rational reason to actually get angry and call for the function to be scrapped.

It just demonstrates the failure of ILM really. Suddenly ILm gets a poll facility, five years too late. People become motivated to start polls because THIS TIME the results can be clearly seen whereas they couldn't before.

People used to say 'one thread per user per day' on ILX. One poll per user per week might be useful now.

― blueski, Friday, 20 April 2007 13:15 (eighteen years ago)

Don't start a poll unless you would otherwise start it as a thread/question anyway?

― blueski, Friday, 20 April 2007 13:16 (eighteen years ago)

It just demonstrates the failure of ILM really

HE'S RIGHT, DELETE ILM

― Michael Philip Philip Philip philip Annoyman, Friday, 20 April 2007 13:18 (eighteen years ago)

i'm not saying polls are lazy per se, they're very useful. the novelty needs to wear off ASAP tho.

― blueski, Friday, 20 April 2007 13:20 (eighteen years ago)

Matt - just DO IT, delete them all.




...except for the Yes one ;-)

― Jeff W, Friday, 20 April 2007 13:21 (eighteen years ago)

wtf is the point of doing a Yes poll and making it open for a MONTH?

is it to reflect the length of many of their album trackzzzz?

― blueski, Friday, 20 April 2007 13:27 (eighteen years ago)

wtf is the point of doing a Yes poll

also this

― blueski, Friday, 20 April 2007 13:27 (eighteen years ago)

What's worse - having polls or a retard who bumps every one with the comment "HI DERE?"

― NYCNative, Friday, 20 April 2007 13:29 (eighteen years ago)

pat on the back for self for not owning any albums by any of the acts being polled (except MADGE)

― lex pretend, Friday, 20 April 2007 13:30 (eighteen years ago)

you should get Tour De France Soundtracks.

― blueski, Friday, 20 April 2007 13:31 (eighteen years ago)

pat on the back for self for not owning any albums by any of the acts being polled (except MADGE)
I am so glad I don't think like you.

― NYCNative, Friday, 20 April 2007 13:44 (eighteen years ago)

GET RID OF THEM ALL NO TEARS NO REMORSE

― gff, Friday, 20 April 2007 13:48 (eighteen years ago)

Thinking about it I would suggest an I Love Polls board and a rolling poll announcement thread on ILM. The quality of discussion on the threads isn't enough to justify treading over quite so much old ground all at once.

― Groke, Friday, 20 April 2007 13:49 (eighteen years ago)

It's a new fad. In a few months all polls will have been done and normal service will be resumed.

At least it's gave ILM some life, it's been dead since last year.
I think if the red bits were moved to either the end of the question or changed to normal colour people wouldn't complain so much.

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Friday, 20 April 2007 13:54 (eighteen years ago)

You can't separate Polls from ILM but not Lists, or rather I think it would be absurd and inconsistent to do this just because there is a novelty flurry. I would much rather get rid of boring list threads on ILM than Poll threads.

― blueski, Friday, 20 April 2007 13:56 (eighteen years ago)

At least it's gave ILM some life, it's been dead since last year.

is it really living tho? are people saying anything new about these old bands?

― blueski, Friday, 20 April 2007 13:57 (eighteen years ago)

My first post on ILM for ages was to complain about the poll threads, it's great how I can be united with music fans from other continents by hatred of retarded polls

― Michael Philip Philip Philip philip Annoyman, Friday, 20 April 2007 13:59 (eighteen years ago)

'Amazing Randy' bumped all the poll threads with the intention of stirring up ire over polls. They wouldn't all be bunched together supposedly keeping down the 'better' threads otherwise.

― blueski, Friday, 20 April 2007 14:00 (eighteen years ago)

My first post on ILM for ages was to complain about the poll threads

people who hardly ever post on ILM only coming back on ILM to complain about something new on ILM is stupid.

― blueski, Friday, 20 April 2007 14:01 (eighteen years ago)

if only there was some kind of method we could employ to determine what the majority of ILM readers think about whether Polls are good or bad.

― blueski, Friday, 20 April 2007 14:01 (eighteen years ago)

I suppose that's fair, I should have thought of that

― Michael Philip Philip Philip philip Annoyman, Friday, 20 April 2007 14:02 (eighteen years ago)

xpost~!

― Michael Philip Philip Philip philip Annoyman, Friday, 20 April 2007 14:02 (eighteen years ago)

polls

― RJG, Friday, 20 April 2007 14:03 (eighteen years ago)

You can't separate Polls from ILM but not Lists, or rather I think it would be absurd and inconsistent to do this just because there is a novelty flurry. I would much rather get rid of boring list threads on ILM than Poll threads.


OTM

Just remove the POLL Closes/Results part of the question and things will be much better.

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Friday, 20 April 2007 14:06 (eighteen years ago)

Should we have mor polls on ILM?

― HI DERE, Friday, 20 April 2007 14:08 (eighteen years ago)

yeah, can't it be ongoing with the poll count being displayed all the time? Also stick some graphics and shit up there too.

― the next grozart, Friday, 20 April 2007 14:08 (eighteen years ago)

Also, everyone should be able to add their own answer option to the poll at any time, this will encourage debate

― Michael Philip Philip Philip philip Annoyman, Friday, 20 April 2007 14:11 (eighteen years ago)

that would be cool. a good option for the poll starter to include if they wanted to at least.

― blueski, Friday, 20 April 2007 14:12 (eighteen years ago)

Yeah Lex you should totally get some Kraftwerk in your life.

― braveclub, Friday, 20 April 2007 14:12 (eighteen years ago)

List threads high on New Answers:

What are the Greatest "Cocaine" Albums
Who are bigger enemies of the ILM, the six people who voted they don't like Black Sabbath or the sixteen people who voted they don't like Led Zeppelin?
Do you like B52s? If so, what is good?
butterfingers guitar slip-ups on record
Worst album by your favourite acts

― blueski, Friday, 20 April 2007 14:15 (eighteen years ago)

these polls are a new low for ILM. seriously, they are fucking braindead.

― Ronan, Friday, 20 April 2007 14:15 (eighteen years ago)

i've heard a couple of kraftwerk tracks ('computer love', 'tour de france'). i liked them both but they seemed...thin, compared with what came after them. like...i like looking at the finished building but not necessarily the foundations? and so many people have built on them to such good effect. i dunno i just like modern shiny production.

― lex pretend, Friday, 20 April 2007 14:16 (eighteen years ago)

though i must admit my eyebrows were considerably raised by how much ciara's 'get up' was like 'tour de france'! i like 'get up' loads better though, still.

― lex pretend, Friday, 20 April 2007 14:16 (eighteen years ago)

Also, everyone should be able to add their own answer option to the poll at any time, this will encourage debate

This would fuck up any outcome though wouldn't it?

Also, yes polls encourage debate, but jeebus cripes, aren't there enough threads debating polls already?

― NickB, Friday, 20 April 2007 14:17 (eighteen years ago)

yeah

― Michael Philip Philip Philip philip Annoyman, Friday, 20 April 2007 14:18 (eighteen years ago)

Lex i didn't like Kraftwerk until i saw them live ten years ago (AWESOME). you should hear the stuff from their last album tho, it's actually quite contemporary-sounding (well for 2003) in many ways (modernish 4/4 dance sound esp. the Aero Dynamik/Chrono/Titanium and TDF sections.

― blueski, Friday, 20 April 2007 14:21 (eighteen years ago)

Lots of things encourage debate. This doesn't make them worthy.

These polls make me feel like I'm reading MOJO.

― Ronan, Friday, 20 April 2007 14:22 (eighteen years ago)

yeah i can't decide whether it's the acts people choose or the polls themselves though

― lex pretend, Friday, 20 April 2007 14:22 (eighteen years ago)

though i guess ilm's indie college dork phase has finally been replaced...by canon-worshipping grandads grizzling about modern popstars

― lex pretend, Friday, 20 April 2007 14:23 (eighteen years ago)

obviously it is the former!

plus compounded by amazing randy or whoever bumping them all at once

xp

― blueski, Friday, 20 April 2007 14:24 (eighteen years ago)

what? it's nothing to do with the acts chosen really. it's creating a system of voting which clogs up the board, a vote is not a post.

― Ronan, Friday, 20 April 2007 14:26 (eighteen years ago)

but the poll threads have posts on them. they operate as 'normal' threads just with the added statistical aspect ('proof').

― blueski, Friday, 20 April 2007 14:27 (eighteen years ago)

If you don't like them don't click on them. Make your own if you want polls on stuff you like.

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Friday, 20 April 2007 14:28 (eighteen years ago)

why make them a poll then? why not just start a thread where people can discuss stuff if you actually want discussion?

― Ronan, Friday, 20 April 2007 14:29 (eighteen years ago)

One of the problems with the design is that there's no way of seeing who's voted for what - if you could just click a button and see what people have picked then it would stop 90% of the posts being "I went for [x]"

― Groke, Friday, 20 April 2007 14:29 (eighteen years ago)

Seriously, just try removing the POLL Closes etc stuff and no red text and it will be much better.

It's a simple solution.

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Friday, 20 April 2007 14:29 (eighteen years ago)

why be more bothered about poll threads than list threads (which have been tolerated forever except for that one glorious month)?

apart from the fact that because polls are new to ILM lots of people want to start them.

― blueski, Friday, 20 April 2007 14:29 (eighteen years ago)

poll threads are not a problem/causing annoyance on any other board.

― blueski, Friday, 20 April 2007 14:30 (eighteen years ago)

you like figures above having to actually ask a question and express an opinion, then go and roll some dice or something.

x-post it's obvious why they're worse than lists, because the vote is more important than actually posting something.

I am strongly in favour of the polls being moved to a separate board.

x-post again with steve, yeah and every other board is 100 percent fucking shit.

― Ronan, Friday, 20 April 2007 14:31 (eighteen years ago)

yes it's about the votes. it's about actually finding out just what is most popular among ILM readers. could be interesting and useful (depending on the subject/way it's handled).

ILE is 100% fucking shit?

― blueski, Friday, 20 April 2007 14:33 (eighteen years ago)

how is it interesting or useful? what's of interest and what's to use?

How is a poll more valuable than asking the questions and actually provoking insight or discussion? I feel very strongly about this, as far as I enjoy reading ILM.

― Ronan, Friday, 20 April 2007 14:35 (eighteen years ago)

it can be interesting and useful because it enables people to see quickly and easily what is actually popular and preferred among a number of people on the board.

if you don't see the appeal of that then you must not watch those 'top 100' programmes on Channel 4 or something.

― blueski, Friday, 20 April 2007 14:38 (eighteen years ago)

You're not even reading these poll threads presumably (why would you be?) so does this really just come down to having to deal with some bits of red text on the New Answers page and this making people more irate than a New Answers page filled with 'what is the best track 3 on any album' and the like?

― blueski, Friday, 20 April 2007 14:40 (eighteen years ago)

how is that interesting and useful? as compared with asking them and hearing their reasons why? with questions that aren't polls, only those who are happy to express an opinion on an artist will post at first (still more than the amount posting on the poll threads), with questions that contain polls the process is reversed and it drives away people who have anything more complex than "THIS ONE" to say.

I can't think of any logical argument that will change my mind on this, but I'd love to hear one.

x-post it comes down to having the new answers page dominated by crap and a further decline in discussion around here.

― Ronan, Friday, 20 April 2007 14:42 (eighteen years ago)

you know, forget it, if you want to champion mediocrity then do it on your own.

― Ronan, Friday, 20 April 2007 14:44 (eighteen years ago)

don't agree ronan. there's been some interesting discussion on the poll threads i've been reading.

― the next grozart, Friday, 20 April 2007 14:45 (eighteen years ago)

i think this is yet another case of someone moaning about something to do with ilx and not really contributing much else themselves. If you don't like it, start writing stuff you think people will like.

― the next grozart, Friday, 20 April 2007 14:46 (eighteen years ago)

What I find interesting is this:

There are only THREE poll threads on ILE New Answers right now.

It suggests that on ILM people are more likely to want to rank, list and poll more than they are on other boards. Why is this? What is it about music or the culture/tradition of ILM that encourages it so readily?

Should we DIScourage it even tho it seems to be so interlocked with ILM culture? Why? Can ILM readership not be trusted with these things? Why not? ILE is not so focussed on one subject that is so often analysed and assessed in this way, but still.

― blueski, Friday, 20 April 2007 14:47 (eighteen years ago)

if you want to champion mediocrity then do it on your own

wtf does this mean?

as if there have never been mediocre discussons on ILM since day 1, like there have never been mediocre lists dominating things. likt the urge to rank has not been the basis of so many arguments, good or bad.

― blueski, Friday, 20 April 2007 14:48 (eighteen years ago)

The notion that Ronan of all people has contributed "not much" to ILX and ILM particular is just fucking wrong full stop.

― Matt DC, Friday, 20 April 2007 14:49 (eighteen years ago)

Or for that matter Vahid.

― Matt DC, Friday, 20 April 2007 14:50 (eighteen years ago)

i want the stats AND the reasons/explanations to go with them. not just one or the other. you can get this to quite good effect on LiveJournal. it's not that complicated really.

― blueski, Friday, 20 April 2007 14:50 (eighteen years ago)

x-post to grozart

I think I do that plenty.

Like I say, I just don't see the value of a poll as compared to a discussion. Look at all those poll threads in new answers now and combine the number of answers in them. It's paltry. What does that tell you?

― Ronan, Friday, 20 April 2007 14:50 (eighteen years ago)

My experience with polls on LJ has been that they can encourage discussion but some things really help.

- Variety of poll options: just pick one isn't always the best way of doing things.
- The person who starts the poll should have a commitment to trying to seed discussion, raising interesting questions about the items listed in the poll, encourage people to say WHY they picked what they did, etc etc. This is good thread-starter practise anyway. They should also have a commitment to attempting some kind of analysis of the results!
- No separation of ticks from posts i.e. if you tick a box ppl can see what you've ticked, you don't need to tell the world about it as a separate post.
- If you can see the results as they go, then people whose favoured picks are losing tend to argue more passionately for them.

The really huge problem with the polls as they're currently being used is that it's all stuff that's been talked to death. "Favourite album by..." - can there BE a less inspiring way of approaching a band?

― Groke, Friday, 20 April 2007 14:54 (eighteen years ago)

I mean I really think we should discourage poll threads on subjects which HAVE been well discussed on ILM already e.g. best album by such and such.

But the poll facility should be retained for new and future questions that are inherently based on rank i.e. 'who/what/when was the best X'. ILM will always have these kinds of threads. attaching a poll to those kinds of questions should not mean accompanying discussion gets lost or diluted - it's up to individuals to ensure that.

There are other, BETTER questions you can ask that are above the 'classic or did'/do you agree yes/no level of course. These are harder to think of generally it seems. But they would be regardless of whether lists and poll threads were forced elsewhere.

― blueski, Friday, 20 April 2007 14:55 (eighteen years ago)

What does that tell you?

that Amazing Randy was a dick for bumping them all at once.

― blueski, Friday, 20 April 2007 14:55 (eighteen years ago)

The way I see it is this:

A few months ago, everyone was complaining about list threads. I didn't have too much of a problem with them, but what I did find incredibly dull were the "Pick Only" threads where people listed the same 5 songs in different orders.

The idea of the "Pick Only" threads was to find out what is the most popular track/album/artist/whatev on ILM, which to many people is interesting and worthy and believe it or not CAN stimulate discussion. The only problem with those kinds of thread, it looks ugly, it's boring to read, and nobody really discusses anything.

With the poll ones, people vote for their choice, choose whether they want to reveal their choice, and then start getting on with discussing WHY they picked that choice in the first place. What is wrong with that?

― the next grozart, Friday, 20 April 2007 14:56 (eighteen years ago)

it doesn't happen, perhaps, is what's wrong.

you only have to look at the votes to answers ratio to see that.

― Ronan, Friday, 20 April 2007 14:58 (eighteen years ago)

Maybe a separate I Love Actual Thoughtful Well-Reasoned Non-Abusive Discussion About Music board would be easier.

― blueski, Friday, 20 April 2007 14:59 (eighteen years ago)

Groke came up with some good points.

I wouldn't worry too much, the day's trend of reviving old discussions about bands we've talked to death about will soon fade and I think once the polls have been done, they're done. As for Pavement, it seems every Pavement thread dissolves into bickering about which album is best almost automatically, so it would be nice to have a consensus once and for all and never mention it again.

Amazing Randy hasn't helped polls one bit.

― the next grozart, Friday, 20 April 2007 15:00 (eighteen years ago)

Have you read any of the threads Ronan or are you just taking this stance because it regards music you don't like?

― the next grozart, Friday, 20 April 2007 15:01 (eighteen years ago)

So what's the difference between a thread asking "what's the best album by (insert band name here)" and one which does the same thing and tabulates the results after a brief period?

Because I can find about eleventy billion of the former that have been taking place since ILM's inception. Even with the shitty search function.

― NYCNative, Friday, 20 April 2007 15:01 (eighteen years ago)

so it would be nice to have a consensus once and for all and never mention it again.

ah my poor fule...

― blueski, Friday, 20 April 2007 15:02 (eighteen years ago)

hahaha

― the next grozart, Friday, 20 April 2007 15:03 (eighteen years ago)

lol this thread http://www.ilxor.com/ILX/ThreadSelectedControllerServlet?boardid=41&threadid=21033#unread is from 2003.

you can't get lower than that really.

― blueski, Friday, 20 April 2007 15:04 (eighteen years ago)

more polls needed on ILE...

― Alan, Friday, 20 April 2007 15:05 (eighteen years ago)

"Have you read any of the threads Ronan or are you just taking this stance because it regards music you don't like?"

it's nothing to do with the acts chosen really. it's creating a system of voting which clogs up the board, a vote is not a post.

-- Ronan, Friday, 20 April 2007 14:26 (38 minutes ago)

― Ronan, Friday, 20 April 2007 15:06 (eighteen years ago)

Poll threads will eventuall pass, just like POX threads did. But bitchy meta threads? Timeless.

― da croupier, Friday, 20 April 2007 15:07 (eighteen years ago)

It would be great if you could have nested poll threads - like "what is the greatest pavement album" would be the top level, than you could add subpolls to each of the entries within that poll - "What is the greatest track on 'slanted and enchanted'" attached to the poll entry for that album, then within that sub-poll, you could have another sub-poll - "what is the greatest 27 second stretch of "Summer Babe", then within that poll you could add another - "who is the greatest player on the greatest 27 second stretch of the greatest track on pavement's greatest album", then a sub poll attached to that one - "which is the greatest note played by the greatest player on the greatest 27 second stretch on...." etc until it turns into the ilx killer strangelet thread, turning all other threads into pavement poll threads, thus achieving the critical mass state necessary for it to sink into the middle of the internet, where it will devour all web traffic, turning everything into a pavement poll. Then I might get some fucking actual work done.

(polls are ok, better than list threads anyway. I don't much like pavement though)

― Pashmina, Friday, 20 April 2007 15:10 (eighteen years ago)

also, da croupier is on the money.

― Pashmina, Friday, 20 April 2007 15:10 (eighteen years ago)

it's nothing to do with the acts chosen really. it's creating a system of voting which clogs up the board, a vote is not a post.

Who said it was?

― the next grozart, Friday, 20 April 2007 15:11 (eighteen years ago)

Have you read any of the threads Ronan or are you just taking this stance because it regards music you don't like?

-- the next grozart, Friday, 20 April 2007 15:01 (10 minutes ago)

― Ronan, Friday, 20 April 2007 15:12 (eighteen years ago)

I mean, if a thread got revived each time someone voted, then yeah that would be annoying, but it doesn't. So what's the problem? A poll is the same as a thread except with a voting system bunged on the top.

― the next grozart, Friday, 20 April 2007 15:13 (eighteen years ago)

can you read? if so give it a try, you absolute moron.

― Ronan, Friday, 20 April 2007 15:14 (eighteen years ago)

it's my going home time now. no more posts on this thread until Monday OK?

― blueski, Friday, 20 April 2007 15:14 (eighteen years ago)

good thing about polls dominating ilm = i get on w/ some fucking work

― lex pretend, Friday, 20 April 2007 15:15 (eighteen years ago)

b..b...but the RED! and m...m...my sense of entitlement!

― da croupier, Friday, 20 April 2007 15:15 (eighteen years ago)

can you read? if so give it a try, you absolute moron.

-- Ronan, Friday, 20 April 2007 16:14 (49 seconds ago)

Yes thank you. But can you write? (Particularly without being rude and using non sequitors all the time?)

― the next grozart, Friday, 20 April 2007 15:16 (eighteen years ago)

Lex you are totally the first to post every time there's an LJ poll!

― Groke, Friday, 20 April 2007 15:18 (eighteen years ago)

what's the problem? A poll is the same as a thread except with a voting system bunged on the top.

This link might help you to get some answers to your question.

― Ronan, Friday, 20 April 2007 15:19 (eighteen years ago)

that link takes me nowhere. ironic really.

― the next grozart, Friday, 20 April 2007 15:20 (eighteen years ago)

HOW DO I SHOT IRONY

― Ronan, Friday, 20 April 2007 15:21 (eighteen years ago)

"I KEEP CLICKING THE LINK AND IT BRINGS ME TO THIS THREAD"

― Ronan, Friday, 20 April 2007 15:21 (eighteen years ago)

dude, chill out.

― the next grozart, Friday, 20 April 2007 15:22 (eighteen years ago)

Lex you are totally the first to post every time there's an LJ poll!

lj polls are not about...black sabbath and led zeppelin and whoever all the boring boring mojo acts ilm seems to love are! and poptimists has less boring people on it.

― lex pretend, Friday, 20 April 2007 15:23 (eighteen years ago)

hmmm... as i suspected.

― the next grozart, Friday, 20 April 2007 15:24 (eighteen years ago)

HOW DO I RAM COWARD UP ILMS WASTEGATE

O I KNO POLLZ

― moonship journey to baja, Friday, 20 April 2007 15:25 (eighteen years ago)

It's vaguely bemusing why Lex continues to spend so much time with grumpy old grandads on ILM.

― Marcello Carlin, Friday, 20 April 2007 15:31 (eighteen years ago)

Seriously though, 16 of the top 20 new answers are polls right now. Bit much maybe?

― everything, Friday, 20 April 2007 19:03 (eighteen years ago)

There could just be an option in account setup, "don't show me polls".

Or we could create "I Love Polls".

Or get rid of the fucking things.

Or we could fight about it.

― lukas, Friday, 20 April 2007 20:20 (eighteen years ago)

The polls are great, like the first drops of succulent dew falling on a forgotten and arid wasteland.

― admrl, Friday, 20 April 2007 20:22 (eighteen years ago)

I Love Polls

er, that would make me the third person to independently suggest that. fuck a "not all messages are displayed."

― lukas, Friday, 20 April 2007 20:25 (eighteen years ago)

lj polls are not about...black sabbath and led zeppelin and whoever all the boring boring mojo acts ilm seems to love are! and poptimists has less boring people on it.

-- lex pretend, Friday, 20 April 2007 15:23

this is really really funny to me.

― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 20 April 2007 20:40 (eighteen years ago)

How about a killfile for people who don't want to see polls? That way everyone is happy. The polls just wont show up for those who don't want them.
Would that be possible, Keith?

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Friday, 20 April 2007 20:41 (eighteen years ago)

christ, just take out everything in red and it's fine. With all of that it makes the frontpage hard to read is all. Most ILM threads are polls, even if they're not.

― neustile, Friday, 20 April 2007 21:35 (eighteen years ago)

shift-reload the front page

― stet, Friday, 20 April 2007 21:38 (eighteen years ago)

People will still moan til they get their own way.

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Friday, 20 April 2007 21:40 (eighteen years ago)

why did you delete my poll? it took me like half an hour to copy and paste all those albums!

― creme1, Friday, 20 April 2007 21:40 (eighteen years ago)

It took that long to open as well.

Shift-reload the new answers. I've turned off the poll flag entirely, but it's temporary cos now there's no way to find out when a poll closes. It should be at the end of the line, not the start, at least.

― stet, Friday, 20 April 2007 21:46 (eighteen years ago)

how about moving them?

― Mr. Que, Friday, 20 April 2007 21:47 (eighteen years ago)

Why do they have to be moved? Keep them where they are.

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Friday, 20 April 2007 21:48 (eighteen years ago)

not everyone likes them.

― Mr. Que, Friday, 20 April 2007 21:49 (eighteen years ago)

i don't mind polls, some of the discussion on those thread is good.

but the main new answers page is becoming damn near unusable will the sheer amount of polling going on right now.

― M@tt He1ges0n, Friday, 20 April 2007 21:59 (eighteen years ago)

You can't even tell they are polls at the moment.

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Friday, 20 April 2007 22:01 (eighteen years ago)

Ahhhh, that's better.

― Spencer Chow, Friday, 20 April 2007 22:02 (eighteen years ago)

Should it mention at the end of the "question" that its a poll(same colour text) or not at all?
i say closing date should be at the end.

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Friday, 20 April 2007 22:06 (eighteen years ago)

I second brigadier.

― Jeff Treppel, Friday, 20 April 2007 22:16 (eighteen years ago)

so much better

― never acid again, Friday, 20 April 2007 22:30 (eighteen years ago)

red text: never again

― félix pié, Friday, 20 April 2007 22:33 (eighteen years ago)

I like the "I Love Polls" option myself.

― musically, Friday, 20 April 2007 22:35 (eighteen years ago)

You can't even tell they are polls at the moment

Oh, come on, the threads are all called "best blah blah album", "best blah blah track" etc - it's fairly obvious (for now, until people start taking the piss) which threads contain a poll.

this is really really funny to me.

-- BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 20 April 2007 21:40 (2 hours ago)

Isn't everything?

FWIW, I lurk a lot more than I contribute, and the polls seem a bit pointless to me, because I prefer to lurk and read discussion rather than statistics, especially when that statistic is like "7 out of the 23 people who could give enough of a fuck to vote prefer one album more than some others" or whatever. Especially if I don't know who these 7 people are (i.e. are they people whose opinion I trust or not, are they people who are voting to skew the vote? - not that it matters because the vast majority of people aren't voting anyway and I don't know who is so why should I care that 7 anonymous people think one album is somehow quantifiably better than any other?

Ronan OTM, btw. And apologies if my lack of contribution to the board makes my opinion invalid in some way.

― ailsa, Friday, 20 April 2007 22:53 (eighteen years ago)

Also, if we ever get the revive function back, it'll be all roffling at the opinions of 23 dudes back in April 2007 who thought they defined ILM's taste in Led Zeppelin albums, with the "discussion" continuing long past the end of the poll to no effect on the opening post listing a long-invalid statistic.

― ailsa, Friday, 20 April 2007 23:11 (eighteen years ago)

I've been listening to Led Zeppelin again, thanks to all the LZ talk.

― admrl, Friday, 20 April 2007 23:16 (eighteen years ago)

I don't think anyone is claiming to define ILM with the polls (what is ILM, anyway? You guys talk about it like it's a sentient being, when really it's just a message board for a bunch of music fans to bicker on. There are too many divisive opinions for "ILM" to ever be a cohesive entity in its own right). The polls are, like anything else on this board, a way to stimulate discussion. And, despite what some of the detractors say, a lot of the poll threads have had very interesting debates on the various merits of the bands' discography. As a secondary benefit, they may help newcomers to the band figure out where to start, or motivate someone to revisit an album they had previously dismissed. The biggest problem with the polls, obviously, was the obnoxious red text at the beginning, which is now gone. Poll threads, in and of themselves, are as inherently worthy topics of discussion as any of the acronym threads.

― Jeff Treppel, Friday, 20 April 2007 23:21 (eighteen years ago)

(But not as good as the rolling threads, obviously)

― Jeff Treppel, Friday, 20 April 2007 23:22 (eighteen years ago)

Rolling threads are great but it does tend to be the same posters on them.

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Saturday, 21 April 2007 00:23 (eighteen years ago)

Poster variety is what the poll threads are for!

― Jeff Treppel, Saturday, 21 April 2007 00:26 (eighteen years ago)

AM I A POTTED PLANT?!?!?!

So what's the difference between a thread asking "what's the best album by (insert band name here)" and one which does the same thing and tabulates the results after a brief period?

Because I can find about eleventy billion of the former that have been taking place since ILM's inception. Even with the shitty search function.

― NYCNative, Saturday, 21 April 2007 03:26 (eighteen years ago)

I am a potted Robert Plant.

― Bimble, Saturday, 21 April 2007 03:27 (eighteen years ago)

NYCNative, I'd say the former invites discussion and debate, while the latter just solicits votes and small quips.

― musically, Saturday, 21 April 2007 03:28 (eighteen years ago)

So none of the best album threads from pre-polls have any posts that simply say the poster's favorite album and none of the polls have elicited lengthy discussion?

I call bullshit.

Don't plame the poll, blame the lazy posters - who existed long before polls.

― NYCNative, Saturday, 21 April 2007 03:31 (eighteen years ago)

I think this is a good place to pose the query: have the people who hate the polls so very much actually read any of the poll threads? Specifically, the Black Sabbath and Led Zeppelin ones, where there was some very intelligent discourse going on. Even my Blue Oyster Cult thread got into some interesting discussion over sequencing and quality of individual sides.

― Jeff Treppel, Saturday, 21 April 2007 03:34 (eighteen years ago)

most of the whiners don't like anything that could be described as "classic rock." since almost all of the polls so far have been about such acts, they are complaining. i wish they would start their own fucking threads about the music they dig and shut the fuck up. i don't care about minimal techno or whatever the hell they like, but there's room enough for everyone here. grow up and move on.

― bobby bedelia, Saturday, 21 April 2007 04:08 (eighteen years ago)

WHERE MY BRIGHT RED POLL TEXT GONE BROTHER?

― Alan, Saturday, 21 April 2007 09:38 (eighteen years ago)

Gone for good.

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Saturday, 21 April 2007 12:45 (eighteen years ago)

it made the board soooooooooooo haaaaaaaaaaaaard to reeeeeeeeeeeeead.

― blueski, Saturday, 21 April 2007 14:10 (eighteen years ago)

We've gone from having unduly prominent red text, which should have been <small> or grey or something, since polls are so pointless and empty, to them being hard to spot, and therefore hard to avoid.

Seriously, can't we move these to I Love Polls? People who like polls can find them there, and people who don't like them (me included, fwiw) can easily avoid them. Score.

― caek, Sunday, 22 April 2007 03:15 (eighteen years ago)

The poll threads really aren't that popular. They die really fast. Ignore em and they'll go away.

― Whiney G. Weingarten, Sunday, 22 April 2007 03:18 (eighteen years ago)

STOP THE CALLING POLES STUPID!

― Rockist Scientist, Sunday, 22 April 2007 03:38 (eighteen years ago)

to them being hard to spot, and therefore hard to avoid.

have you actually clicked on some poll threads thinking 'oh great a big discussion about the best Beatles single!' but then realised 'oh god no there's actually a poll element, whole thing ruined!' and ran screaming?

― blueski, Sunday, 22 April 2007 10:27 (eighteen years ago)

Rockist is right, we have had enough of the Polish jokes. Stop it right now.

― Bimble, Sunday, 22 April 2007 10:41 (eighteen years ago)

xpost, No. I haven't clicked that one. But I have clicked on the Beach Boys thread, among others, then realised its a few dozen two word responses.

So, given that, for a lot of people (witness this thread) they reduce the signal to noise ratio, can we move them to their own board? People who like them can follow them there.

― caek, Sunday, 22 April 2007 11:45 (eighteen years ago)

ILX internment camps? Next thing you know, there'll be IL-Zyklon-X and someone's gonna have a Louis Jagger lamp.

― libcrypt, Sunday, 22 April 2007 17:33 (eighteen years ago)

It's only a matter of time until someone says "let's move all rock threads to it's own board so the nasty boys don't annoy us anymore".

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Sunday, 22 April 2007 18:23 (eighteen years ago)

So, given that, for a lot of people (witness this thread) they reduce the signal to noise ratio, can we move them to their own board? People who like them can follow them there.

have you counted up the number of people against them to see if it's more than the number of people cool with them?

― blueski, Sunday, 22 April 2007 18:25 (eighteen years ago)

Not really relating to this, but I do love it when people insist they have the majority on their side on ILX, when there are currently 2,621 people registered, and at best, four or five people express their opinion on any one issue.

― Keith, Sunday, 22 April 2007 18:33 (eighteen years ago)

i have confidence in what you say, as do my 46 other logins.

― blueski, Sunday, 22 April 2007 18:34 (eighteen years ago)

Haha... Well, there are a few with a bunch, but as far as I can tell, most people can't be arsed.

― Keith, Sunday, 22 April 2007 18:40 (eighteen years ago)

i am actually happy with the situation now, next i just have to killfile everyone who disagreed with me on this thread and then ILX will be perfect

― moonship journey to baja, Sunday, 22 April 2007 19:28 (eighteen years ago)

People who like them can follow them there.

and people who don't like them can fuck off

[;-p]

― the next grozart, Sunday, 22 April 2007 20:38 (eighteen years ago)

being able to killfile actual threads rather than/in addition to users would actually be pretty cool.

tho if you wanted to filter out poll threads in this way you'd need 'poll' back in the title of each one or some other keyword.

― blueski, Sunday, 22 April 2007 20:42 (eighteen years ago)

filter: best, klaxons, clipse, rave

― moonship journey to baja, Sunday, 22 April 2007 22:23 (eighteen years ago)

seriously dudes, one poll per user per week max seems sensible and might help stop them flooding New Answers as they have been today. think of it as like the old 'one thread per day' thing perhaps. just a suggestion.

― blueski, Wednesday, 25 April 2007 11:38 (eighteen years ago)

The most popular polls I've seen so far haven't topped 80 users, which is a pretty awful response rate given the stat Keith cited above.

― Groke, Wednesday, 25 April 2007 11:40 (eighteen years ago)

i wonder if 80 ilxors even remember sleeper...

― That one guy that quit, Wednesday, 25 April 2007 11:41 (eighteen years ago)

Keith's stats are baffling frankly (but true i'm sure).

When all the more obvious polls are out of the way it would actually be cool to see potentially hundreds of people voting in a particular poll.

― blueski, Wednesday, 25 April 2007 11:45 (eighteen years ago)

yeah, much as i like polls, it would be nicer if they were better thought through. who gives a shit about the best b-side of some relatively unpopular band.

― the next grozart, Wednesday, 25 April 2007 11:46 (eighteen years ago)

is there a way to get them bumped automatically once voting has ended? I'm worried some polls will slip off the end before we see the results.

― the next grozart, Wednesday, 25 April 2007 11:46 (eighteen years ago)

we need a poll to find out what counts as unpopular bands and never talk about them again.

― Alan, Wednesday, 25 April 2007 11:47 (eighteen years ago)

who gives a shit about the best b-side of some relatively unpopular band.

-- the next grozart, Wednesday, April 25, 2007 2:46 PM (23 seconds ago)

WELCOME TO ILM

― That one guy that quit, Wednesday, 25 April 2007 11:47 (eighteen years ago)

you know what i mean. there've been about five started today by geir alone.

― the next grozart, Wednesday, 25 April 2007 11:48 (eighteen years ago)

I want to do a 'your actual favourite specific genre' poll but need more time. I haven't done a poll on ILM yet. I've been good.

― blueski, Wednesday, 25 April 2007 11:49 (eighteen years ago)

that would be an interesting one, although i don't know what i'd post.

― the next grozart, Wednesday, 25 April 2007 11:50 (eighteen years ago)

well you don't know what options i would provide either ;)

― blueski, Wednesday, 25 April 2007 11:51 (eighteen years ago)

The most popular polls I've seen so far haven't topped 80 users

Most threads of any sort don't top that number of users.

― onimo, Wednesday, 25 April 2007 11:51 (eighteen years ago)

STOP WITH THESE STUPID POLLS

― Jamie T Smith, Wednesday, 25 April 2007 11:54 (eighteen years ago)

I am only posting polls when I can think of something interesting to do with them. But I am voraciously voting in every one I can find.

― Groke, Wednesday, 25 April 2007 12:03 (eighteen years ago)

yeah me too.

― the next grozart, Wednesday, 25 April 2007 12:27 (eighteen years ago)

who could possibly be next i wonder? PRINCE maybe? it's a real curveball out-the-box idea i know but stranger things have happened...

― blueski, Wednesday, 25 April 2007 12:35 (eighteen years ago)

the madonna one made me v happy actually!

(where happy = a bit wibbly, then frustrated through desperation to hear madonna RIGHT NOW)

― lex pretend, Wednesday, 25 April 2007 12:37 (eighteen years ago)

but... but you HATE polls!!!

― the next grozart, Wednesday, 25 April 2007 12:38 (eighteen years ago)

my love of madonna outweighs my hatred of polls

(i don't actually hate polls but the ones last week were sooooo boring)

― lex pretend, Wednesday, 25 April 2007 12:39 (eighteen years ago)

just too many boring obvious canon polls at the mo (ban Geir!)

― blueski, Wednesday, 25 April 2007 12:44 (eighteen years ago)

The polls, coupled with the shortened "New Answers" section on the current web host make for exceedingly banal browsing.

― christoff, Wednesday, 25 April 2007 12:53 (eighteen years ago)

is it true Geir and BLP have supplied at least half of all of ILM's polls to date?

― blueski, Thursday, 26 April 2007 14:47 (eighteen years ago)

Mark Grout has done about 5 in 2 days.

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Thursday, 26 April 2007 14:48 (eighteen years ago)

I think i've made 6 polls all in. I DIDN'T DO THE PFUNK ONES!

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Thursday, 26 April 2007 14:52 (eighteen years ago)

three months pass...

STOP IT STOP IT STOP IT

you and your fucking NTWICM polls. shitty polls, shitty music.

I'm looking at you, Geir and Johnny Fever.

― sleeve, Sunday, 12 August 2007 20:20 (eighteen years ago)

You forget JSNOT and TwistedPollstarter

― Dom Passantino, Sunday, 12 August 2007 20:23 (eighteen years ago)

http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x18/gr8080/polls.jpg

― gr8080, Sunday, 12 August 2007 20:24 (eighteen years ago)

so when is someone going to start a "best poll" poll with all our polls as poll choices

― marmotwolof, Sunday, 12 August 2007 20:28 (eighteen years ago)

already been done

― elan, Sunday, 12 August 2007 20:37 (eighteen years ago)

THANK YOU GR@DY

My New Answers experience just improved tenfold.

Thing is, I don't mind a lot of the polls, it's just these repetitive series-type ones where the person starts a whole bunch in one day. Then the auto-bump clogs up New Answers later.

― sleeve, Sunday, 12 August 2007 20:57 (eighteen years ago)

you and your fucking NTWICM polls. shitty polls, shitty music.

OTM. I can deal with some polls, hell, I even vote in a few, but I don't like 'em much. The Now! polls are some sort of coprophagic visitation.

― Just got offed, Sunday, 12 August 2007 20:58 (eighteen years ago)

that didn't stop the second Ween poll
x-post

coprophagic visitation.

takes one to know one.

― marmotwolof, Sunday, 12 August 2007 21:00 (eighteen years ago)

THANK YOU GR@DY

he didn't code it in (didn't he?)

― blueski, Sunday, 12 August 2007 21:02 (eighteen years ago)

hey marmot, quit with the unfunny cheap shots ok!

― Just got offed, Sunday, 12 August 2007 21:04 (eighteen years ago)

xpost to blueski

no, but he pointed it out to me. I didn't know that was a preference option, must not have been paying attention.

so yeah, thanks to the coders as well.

― sleeve, Sunday, 12 August 2007 21:06 (eighteen years ago)

:) :) :)

― gr8080, Sunday, 12 August 2007 21:07 (eighteen years ago)

NEVAH

― marmotwolof, Sunday, 12 August 2007 21:07 (eighteen years ago)

You know, it's a lot more fun having one Now poll a week or every few days rather than three or four all started at once...

― Matt DC, Monday, 20 August 2007 11:26 (eighteen years ago)

Yeah tbh it is getting beyond ridic at this point.

― Trayce, Monday, 20 August 2007 11:28 (eighteen years ago)

(I am pro-Now polls incidentally but I'd rather have the back and forth of arguing over one in detail than spreading the same group of posters over four threads at once).

― Matt DC, Monday, 20 August 2007 11:30 (eighteen years ago)

Yeah, if they keep up at this rate, there won't be any more crappy corporate compilations or ass-backward "worst-of" lists to poll motherfuckers about.

― kingkongvsgodzilla, Monday, 20 August 2007 11:30 (eighteen years ago)

i don't want to hide polls coz some of them are good, but fucksake geir stop spamming.

― That one guy that hit it and quit it, Monday, 20 August 2007 11:36 (eighteen years ago)

one month passes...

bump

ILM has been taken over by polls. i like polls, so i don't want to turn off that preference. just asking if we can slow it down as there are way too many polls at the moment.

― Bee OK, Thursday, 4 October 2007 01:27 (eighteen years ago)

just checked out the 'hide polls' option. pretty good!

― haitch, Thursday, 4 October 2007 01:49 (eighteen years ago)

it'd be good if you could keep polls on ILE but hide them on ILX, the polls over there are usually better.

― haitch, Thursday, 4 October 2007 01:51 (eighteen years ago)

uh

― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 4 October 2007 02:11 (eighteen years ago)

unicorns

― sleep, Thursday, 4 October 2007 05:07 (eighteen years ago)

I didn't know about that "hide polls" option. Niiiice!

― Johnny Fever, Thursday, 4 October 2007 05:08 (eighteen years ago)

sorry, "keep polls on ILE but hide them on ILM". oops.

― haitch, Thursday, 4 October 2007 06:55 (eighteen years ago)

three months pass...

Slow the fuck down people, I'm sure you can wait a week to find the best band from Chipping Sodbury.

― Matt DC, Friday, 1 February 2008 12:32 (seventeen years ago)

They forgot "The Rotorvators" AND "Emil and the Detectives" !!!

― Mark G, Friday, 1 February 2008 12:34 (seventeen years ago)

This is 2008, not 1908, keep up grandad!

― Dingbod Kesterson, Friday, 1 February 2008 12:52 (seventeen years ago)

i guess the only interesting thing about the regions polls is how you get one and then several people decide to start their own in response, as if it would never have occurred to anyone otherwise or happened any other way. just mad flurries rather than a spaced out but more consistent stream. happens with a lot of things on ILX tho, not just polls.

― blueski, Friday, 1 February 2008 12:56 (seventeen years ago)

You've got to have all the regional heats though before you move into the national finals. Followed by the champions league and world club championships. If I were you I'd get your bets in now for Tiger from Princes Risborough to go all the way.

― NickB, Friday, 1 February 2008 13:03 (seventeen years ago)

I hope that when we eventually get to Best Of London we have the nous to do it by postcode.

― Dingbod Kesterson, Friday, 1 February 2008 13:10 (seventeen years ago)

never heard of London. is it near Wales?

― Thomas, Friday, 1 February 2008 13:15 (seventeen years ago)

I was thinking the best way to do London would be five polls: North, South, East, West, Home Counties. Really can't be arsed to do it myself though.

― chap, Friday, 1 February 2008 15:38 (seventeen years ago)

I realise proposing five polls isn't really in the spirit of this thread.

― chap, Friday, 1 February 2008 15:40 (seventeen years ago)

there aren't any bands from London

― blueski, Friday, 1 February 2008 15:48 (seventeen years ago)

London Beat vs. London Boys

― NickB, Friday, 1 February 2008 15:52 (seventeen years ago)

Having to include 200 minor league grime MCs and hardcore/dnb outfits would make the East London poll a bit of a schlep.

― Matt DC, Friday, 1 February 2008 15:58 (seventeen years ago)

Globe Town Brrrap Mans FTW

― blueski, Friday, 1 February 2008 16:11 (seventeen years ago)

one year passes...

um...

― scott seward, Monday, 5 October 2009 17:26 (sixteen years ago)

There is the "Hide Polls" option in Preferences.

― kingkongvsgodzilla, Monday, 5 October 2009 17:33 (sixteen years ago)

is there a "Hide Polls about Rate Your Music" option?

― yellow card for favre (call all destroyer), Monday, 5 October 2009 21:42 (sixteen years ago)

yeah, i only want to hide the stupid polls

― somewhere a poll is missing its wacky write-in vote (sarahel), Monday, 5 October 2009 21:42 (sixteen years ago)

tell me ilx is at least getting $$ from that website for this

― autogoon delight (J0rdan S.), Monday, 5 October 2009 21:46 (sixteen years ago)

dear polls,

go away for awhile, take an ilx break. come back in 2010, and i'll see you in the new year,

Q

― Mr. Que, Monday, 5 October 2009 21:48 (sixteen years ago)

no, it's just a couple of people being spammy and stupid

Please note that these polls are getting dropped off of new answers and to those starting them, if you continue to create more of them you will be first yellowcarded and then temp-banned for spamming. It would likely not be that big of a deal had we not had what seems like a bazillion threads all at once.

― The Book of Outhere (HI DERE), Monday, 5 October 2009 21:49 (sixteen years ago)

dear Q,

have you eaten pizza recently? i would just like to politely remind you that pizza is a delicious food product.

sincerely,

pizza

― somewhere a poll is missing its wacky write-in vote (sarahel), Monday, 5 October 2009 21:49 (sixteen years ago)

how about the overlords at least enforce some sort of start no more than five threads a day kinda thing. hell, i'm a drunk, and even i could live with that. they used to delete threads if people started too many way back when.

― scott seward, Monday, 5 October 2009 21:50 (sixteen years ago)

oh okay x-post

― scott seward, Monday, 5 October 2009 21:50 (sixteen years ago)

how about I Love WWE becomes I Love Rate Your Music

i mean, how would this not appease everyone? i could turn off the answers from this board so my site new answers would be flushed of this shit & the rate your music brigade will have their own little playground that no one can complain about

― autogoon delight (J0rdan S.), Monday, 5 October 2009 21:52 (sixteen years ago)

lol good idea but i sort of don't want to validate that anyone can learn anything from fuckin rate your music.

― yellow card for favre (call all destroyer), Monday, 5 October 2009 21:53 (sixteen years ago)

just put them here http://www.ilxor.com/ILX/NewAnswersControllerServlet?boardid=78

― carne asada, Monday, 5 October 2009 21:54 (sixteen years ago)

xp - though they'd probably start a bunch of these polls on ILM so that more people would vote; it's like the sex threads on ILE vs. ILTMI problem

― somewhere a poll is missing its wacky write-in vote (sarahel), Monday, 5 October 2009 21:55 (sixteen years ago)

can i just....

if we take the "your music" to mean, "your collection of music that you chose to have" WHY WOULD YOU NEED TO RATE IT? PRESUMABLY YOU LIKE IT ENOUGH TO HAVE IT.

sry had to get that out.

― yellow card for favre (call all destroyer), Monday, 5 October 2009 21:55 (sixteen years ago)

thank you for saying that

― somewhere a poll is missing its wacky write-in vote (sarahel), Monday, 5 October 2009 21:55 (sixteen years ago)

how about I Love WWE becomes I Love Rate Your Music

somewhere in britain, a scarfed northampton town fan of italian descent suffers a coronary

― kell surprise (country matters), Monday, 5 October 2009 21:56 (sixteen years ago)

this is like if fdr had the chance to launch all the nazis to another planet, a golden opportunity here imo

― autogoon delight (J0rdan S.), Monday, 5 October 2009 21:57 (sixteen years ago)

i mean we would effectively be banning geir hongro from ILM

i still haven't heard one good reason against I Love Rate Your Music

― autogoon delight (J0rdan S.), Monday, 5 October 2009 21:57 (sixteen years ago)

dear Q,

have you eaten pizza recently? i would just like to politely remind you that pizza is a delicious food product.

sincerely,

pizza

dear pizza, we talked on Saturday, i ate you then. WTF, why are you writing me on Monday. Quit stalking me,

Q

― Mr. Que, Monday, 5 October 2009 21:58 (sixteen years ago)

re rateyourmusic: it would be kind of interesting if the only degree to which you could rate stuff was "i still like this record and understand why i bought it" vs "i no longer like this record and am not glad that i own a copy" -- the results would be more interesting than learning that, you know, more people like than dislike kind of blue

― thomp, Monday, 5 October 2009 22:02 (sixteen years ago)

Please note that these polls are getting dropped off of new answers and to those starting them, if you continue to create more of them you will be first yellowcarded and then temp-banned for spamming. It would likely not be that big of a deal had we not had what seems like a bazillion threads all at once.

THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU

― sleeve, Tuesday, 6 October 2009 00:00 (sixteen years ago)

ten months pass...

fart

― am0n, Wednesday, 11 August 2010 21:58 (fifteen years ago)


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