New Order: RIP?

To bring Ned to Miami, I need to draw a circle and say "NewOrderDepecheModeCureEcho" 10 times.

Wait, So New Order Not Actually Breaking Up

There's an interview with Stephen Street in the Feb/Mar issue of Tape-Op magazine, and he says (about Waiting for the Sirens Call):

"We did quite a few songs and there were a few left off. The idea was, I think, to use them as a starting point for another record. We worked on a bunch of songs and while we were tracking Bernard was working on stuff that was more electronic based. He decided he wanted those to go on the record. So, the rest [of the songs] got pushed to one side. They've admitted that they shouldn't have done that now. Warner Brothers contacted me the other day and made moves to perhaps finish off another album. There are five great songs that should have been on the last record that weren't used. If you can get Bernard and Hooky to start talking to each other again. There are some bridges to be rebuilt. But the fact they've been talking about it fills me with some hope that we may actually do it"

Jan/Feb?
http://www.tapeop.com/magazine/issues/issue69.html

I hope and I pray, everyday

That they will or that they won't?

That they will! The last one was IMO one of the best things they ever did

I hope and I pray, everyday

That sure sounds like a Barney lyric...

the last album was so uneven that it's kind of frustrating to think that better stuff was left off, but I'm betting it wasn't actually any better

Jan/Feb?
http://www.tapeop.com/magazine/issues/issue69.html

yeah, that's the one. The UK/EU issue says Feb/Mar on the cover. That's about the extent of NO revelations, really.

So here's this: "Previously unreleased track from New Order recorded in 2005. Available for the first time on the new Joy Division & New Order compilation TOTAL, released on 6th June 2011."

http://soundcloud.com/rhino-uk/new-order-hellbent-previously/s-64hvQ

Kinda shit, but whatever.

Also, is there any valid reason for a new compilation? JD/NO have been anthologized more than anyone else I can think of.

It sounds a lot like Player In The League and quite a few lines appear in other songs. Not great. Pretty weak drum programming. If that's the best of the leftover WFTSC tracks, I'm no longer eager for them to be released.

XP

http://static.memegenerator.net/images/design/error.jpg

The sleeve design is beautiful though. I'd like it on t-shirt.

Oh dear, well that should have been an original and pithy MOAR MONIES jpg, whthefkbye

That song would have been weak years ago.

christ not another compilation are they kidding or what?

I haven't done a solid count, but I'm pretty sure compilations surpassed studio albums about three compilations ago.

same songs, new order

New Order best ofs are the new Who best ofs

Best Of New Order
Singles
International
Total

Those are the only 'Best of' compilations and Singles shouldn't really count since it's a collection of Singles, not a 'best of'. Substance doesn't count either.

This is the first compilation to feature JD/NO tracks together. 20 Years of New Order was promo only and doesn't count. It's still a cash grab but: it has a nice sleeve, it has JD/NO tracks on 1 disk, it has a prev. unreleased track. I'll wait to find it used.

hot damn, a previously released New Order song from 2005

it's not just the Best Ofs it's all the box sets, reissues, faulty would-be deluxe editions that have to be sent back the makers etc etc

.. and all this tat

http://www.mute.biz/thelight/thelight_01.jpg

Yeah, you have to factor in all the other shit, too: best-ofs, singles collections, boxed sets ... expanded reissues ...

Smiths are at, what, a couple of singles sets, one single disc best of, two double-disc best-ofs ...

aye and *still* no decent remasters!

They're back! Sort of:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/6music/news/20110905_neworder.shtml

these are benefit shows so I'm not gonna hate

Yeah, but it seems very, um, convenient...

think I'm gonna get in on the ground floor of asserting that Tom Chapman is the better of the two bassists who've played for New Order

Tom Chapman, you assholes

yeah I can't say I'm gonna miss the other bloke much

With this fairly recent Hook production, one can see the merits of a fresh line-up:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQYg4Jq_DX8

Glad the shows are helping Shamberg. Hooky is dead to me at this point.

yeah to be honest - Hook's the one who did the "here's an unreleased Joy Division song! the lyrics were just hangin' around!" thing a while back, good riddance to somebody that shameless - his style was fresh & innovative back when but it's not like he's got anything new to show & it's not like it's that hard to pull off - a bass, a chorus pedal, focus on the high strings & play melodically, ta-dah

I'm going to try it. Thanks!

the other thing is to play chords on those high strings - a lot of bass playing is rooted in the idea of a single note in the bass clef holding it down - Hook isn't the first to play chords obviously, plenty of jazz upright dudes esp west coast guys playing with that years before, but his combo of melodic playing + two-string chords on bass is kinda the definition of a neat trick.

If they decided to stay together and do a new album after this, I'll be all for it - in fact, would like to suggest a cover for the new one:

http://www.jerseytowelsupply.com/assets/images/misc2/hookless_view_from_top.jpg

RIP

a bass, a chorus pedal, focus on the high strings & play melodically, ta-dah

i just tried this 20 minutes ago and i'm already on the cover of melody maker, thanks!

you were cool, but i'm already over you!

it's ok, i have over 15 million dollars now!

Saw a telly repeat of a concert NO did a few years ago recently, with one of the Scissor Sisters--never seen a band looking so tired and worn

They always looked like that.

Peter Hook has things to say:

http://louderthanwar.com/blogs/exclusive-peter-hook-statement-on-new-order-situation

can we keep this thread New Order only, please - that means the actual members of New Order: Bernard Sumner, Stephen Morris, Gillian Gilbert, and Tom Chapman - thanks

ha

Peter Hook minus New Order doing New Order apparently OK, but New Order minus Peter Hook doing New Order not OK? Leggo my ego.

I don't know the full backstory, did he tell them he was going to pimp their legacy before he started doing it? Because it seems like he's taking umbrage with not knowing about it beforehand.

Also I'm guessing he's mad jealous of Tom Chapman.

thought aero's sentence said "Tracy Chapman."

You've got a fast car
It keeps calling me

oh that's me, sorry

Give me one reason to stay here
Playing with my pleasure zone

Don't you know
They're talkin about a revolution
Sounds like a shellshock

Hook is (was?) a great bass player. He is also a twat. That's just the way things are.

How does it feel
To treat me like you do
Be someone
Be someone

Words don't come easily
Like sorry
Like sorry
But you can say love
And it belongs to everyone but us

I wish they'd just revive The Factory All-Stars or just piece together a Manchester SuperGroup with Johnny Marr and Mani with some of ACR, Section 25. Get Justin Robertson and Sasha in to do some old school sets and tour that around.

Peter Hook minus New Order doing New Order apparently OK, but New Order minus Peter Hook doing New Order not OK? Leggo my ego.

― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 9 September 2011 17:59 (5 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
I don't know the full backstory, did he tell them he was going to pimp their legacy before he started doing it? Because it seems like he's taking umbrage with not knowing about it beforehand.

Also I'm guessing he's mad jealous of Tom Chapman.

― Tal Berkowitz - Vaccine advocate (DJP), Friday, 9 September 2011 18:01 (5 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

Well, he's not exactly taken umbrage about them doing it, it's more they didn't tell him about it first.

can we keep this thread New Order only, please - that means the actual members of New Order: Bernard Sumner, Stephen Morris, Gillian Gilbert, and Tom Chapman - thanks

st3ve, with all due respect, I know what you're going for but it's cheap and beneath you. it's an easy gag, but we all know the actual members of New Order are Bernard Sumner, Stephen Morris, Gillian Gilbert, Phil Cunningham and Tom Chapman. let's acknowledge that this stands, no matter what other unpleasantness is going on.

don't forget billy corgan

and Gazza

man I can't believe I left Billy Corgan off that list - turning in my New Order fan club badge now - how could I have forgotten the explosion of creativity that resulted when one of the best bands of all time joined up with the one of history's most worthless musicians

Bear in mind, last time Billy Corgan was in New Order, so was Peter Hook,

Who?

Hook continues to be more entertaining in interviews than anyone involved is musically:

Also there are songs on 'Republic,' which to my eternal annoyance, I found out later they used my bass for the vocal line, and wiped the bass. The last New Order song was 'Regret.' The rest of them, to me, were Electronic songs with bass on them.

Musicians are renowned for focusing on stupid, petty arguments. The things that Bernard and I are arguing about are absolutely f---ing pathetic, and I'm hoping that some grownup will come into the schoolyard and stop it.

It's all bollocks. They're already hawking for an American tour; me mate told me yesterday. They're hiding behind the charity gig.

Yeah, but I'm not that bothered -- I'm not against it. I think that people are intelligent enough to know that it's not [the same]. New Order Mark 1 was with Gillian; New Order Mark 2 was without Gillian, and now you've got New Order Mark 3, which is without me. They're different New Orders.

But I'm not pretending to be Joy Division. I'm afraid to say that they're going to pretend to be New Order. And the happiest moment in Bernard's life, as I recall, musically, was when Gillian left. So he must actually hate me more than he f---ing hates Gillian, because there's the biggest contradiction in terms I've ever seen in me f---ing life!

It's a great compliment to Bernard, Stephen, and Ian, 'cause it's their songs that people are enjoying. I'm sure it's just as much a compliment to Bernard and Stephen when they play it in Bad Order, or New Lieutenant, or whatever they're f---ing called.

But I'm not pretending to be Joy Division.

HMMMMM.

oof:

Did Bernard and Gillian differ about musical direction?

She's not a very good musician, I'm afraid, and she didn't add that much to the band. It was a problem with both of us. We were very happy when she left. And personally I thought New Order Mark 2 were far superior to New Order Mark 1, but that's life, isn't it? Everyone's entitled to their opinion, aren't they?

christ shut the fuck up man and let it go. Jesus H what a prick.

Um, people are asking him questions, ...

OK, I've read the interview.

And he does not come over as a 'massive prick'.

I don't get it New Order mk II was far superior to the first one and yet 'Regret' is the last song the real New Order ever did?

It's called talking a load of bollocks.

Well, "Regret" does sound like the only Republic track on which the foursome played together.

I once heard that Hooky was on the outs when they made True Faith and the track was basically done by the time they patched things up and asked him to add his part. When, not knowing this, I tried to interview him about True Faith for a story-behind-the-song bit he said it was too horrible to talk about and asked if we could do Blue Monday instead, so there must be some truth in the rumour.

There's a wonderful article by Steven Hague & the band on True Faith from Sounds or some other magazine out there. You really should read it. It's fascinating.

http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/mar05/articles/classictracks.htm

Lovely, thanks.

"New Order had done a lot of their earlier writing by jamming together in a room, each on their own instruments with Barney on vocals, and recording as they went along. But in this case none of them — particularly Barney — were keen on doing it that way. I guess by teaming up with me they were hoping to come at it from a slightly different angle. I remember a couple of times Hooky [Peter Hook] wondered if maybe we were missing something by not letting the band rip. It crossed my mind too, but generally everyone was happy to keep to the plan."

this suggests there was some arguing/drama between Hooky & Bernard that took place outside the studio or Hague just missed/didn't want to comment on.

Pretty sure I read that Stephen Hague was not a fan of Hook's bass sound.

Think Hook, btw, was saying New Order MKII was a better live band, which technically may have been correct.

Wow, that Hague interview may be the only time I've ever read a detailed account of the mechanics of a New Order session!

The final parts to be added to both 'True Faith' and '1963' were Peter Hook's bass and Gillian Gilbert's keyboard ideas.

"It was amazing," says Hague. "Gillian didn't run ideas by me as we went along. There just came a time when I said 'Tomorrow let's work on your keyboard parts,' and she said 'OK, great.' The next day, when it was finally her turn, she had all these fully formed ideas for both tracks. We just got sounds and she recorded them, all hand-played. It was so painless. Although she seemed to be quietly distracted in the back of the room each day, she had completely plotted out her parts for the songs. She's a real joy to work with.

The first complimentary thing I've ever – ever – read about Gilbert.

secret boning</spuriousrumors>

His comments about Gillian sounded to me like nails being hammered into the coffin lid of the original New Order.

I was just re-watching parts of that set they did in NYC in 1981. I gotta admit, Gillian in her ice queen goth phase, standing completely immobile over her synthesizer, I always found very very hot.

But I mean... Alfred, you say that's the first complimentary thing you've read about her, does that mean you've read lots of negative stuff or just nothing at all? As far as I can remember I don't remember reading anything at all, positive or negative.

That's what I meant to write.

I met three out of four New Order at a Jesus and Mary Chain gig once.

You get to guess the one that wasn't there.

Phil Cunningham

David "Pottsy" Potts

Billy Corgan

yes.

Ian Curtis.

late

if anyone cares, the setlist in Brussels the other day:

Setlist: New Order, Ancienne Belgique, Brussels, 10/17/11

1. “Elegia”
2. “Crystal”
3. “Regret”
4. “Ceremony”
5. “Age of Consent”
6. “Love Vigilantes”
7. “Krafty”
8. “1963″
9. “Bizarre Love Triangle”
10. “True Faith”
11. “586″
12. “The Perfect Kiss”
13. “Temptation”

14. “Blue Monday”

15. “Love Will Tear Us Apart”

that is some amazing setlist and almost good enough for me to hope that they keep this together, tour without hooky. the youtubes out there of the shows sound great, much better than expected.

yeah this setlist pretty much reads out like the tracklist of the NO mixtape I would make to introduce them to someone.

Fans begged for some of those to get played during their '98–06 touring days. Nice to see them revitalised.

Have been playing Substance a lot recently. It's easy to forget sometimes how special they were.

entire congregation emits hushed amen

I've made my own 'Substance' playlist with tracks from the 'Recycle' project. It's GREAT.

Ceremony (2nd Version)
Temptation (1987 Version)
Blue Monday
Confusion (7" Promo Edit)
Thieves Like Us
The Perfect Kiss
Sub-Culture (12" Remix)
Shellshock (12" Version)
State Of The Nation
Bizarre Love Triangle (12" Version)
True Faith
1963
Touched By The Hand Of God (12" Mix)
Fine Time (12" Version)
Round & Round (12" Version)
Run 2 (Extended Version)
World In Motion

Mine stops there, but it's easy enough to add the later singles if you like.

The Perfecto mix of "World" is killer.

would substitute the Record Mirror mix of Subculture for the 12" mix but otherwise that's a good collection

Are the deluxe/collector's editions to shoddy to bother with?

"too", obviously.

More to the point, did they ever fix the deluxe versions? Could have sworn Rhino said they would mere days before announcing they were no longer making CDs or something.

Corrected versions of the remasters were pressed, yeah. You'll find them in stores missing the plastic slipcase that the first copies had.

"can we keep this thread New Order only, please - that means the actual members of New Order: Bernard Sumner, Stephen Morris, Gillian Gilbert, and Tom Chapman - thanks"

st3ve, with all due respect, I know what you're going for but it's cheap and beneath you. it's an easy gag, but we all know the actual members of New Order are Bernard Sumner, Stephen Morris, Gillian Gilbert, Phil Cunningham and Tom Chapman. let's acknowledge that this stands, no matter what other unpleasantness is going on.

the tour poster designer knows what's up:

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y115/kitbrash/NO_poster.jpg

The right order and everything!

MOJO ran a long interview, in which they're all in a creepily buoyant mood. Gillian was much missed apparently.

Newer Order.

ahh.

good timing as i need to ask a long dreaded question.

am i safe to buy the remastered editions yet ?

are the current editions that are available in the shops 'fixed' after all the chaos of the initial copies ?

and is it true the only way to tell is the lack of the plastic outer case, or, is there another way to be sure before stumping up the cash and cracking the seals on them ?

btw : the mojo re-vision of TCL is not half bad in parts ..

I still see the flawed editions in shops. to tell which ones are the old ones compared to the new fixed editions there's this post:

the mis-pressings have the Deluxe Edition (or whatever it says) plastic slipcase and the extremely large white sticker on the front with the title and details, the newer ones have smaller stickers with the info and no slipcase.

― mikebee (BATTAGS), Monday, September 14, 2009 2:09 PM (1 year ago)

That should be in bold font

ta van smack.
i saw that when digging around last week.
would have thought they'd have made it a lot more clearer than that, as i doubt i'm the only person waiting to get a proper set of these !

as much as it seems like heresy to say it, youtubes I've seen of recent newer tom chapman new order are really much much much better than the show I saw new order play with peter hook 7 years ago.

clearly tom chapman's influence.

it's a good name, but I think they're sticking with New Order.

Order from The Ideal Copy website. They have them clearly marked as the updates and you can bundle them.

seems counter-productive for mark to order from a US website and pay international shipping.

If you want to be sure of getting the fixed remasters, I'd order from Amazon. They're unlikely to have old stock on hand, and if you do get the wrong ones (which can be identified as mikebee states), they'll let you exchange them.

Nice poster, looks like buro destruct

i only own two of those remasters version Power Corruption & Lies and Low-life bought at the same time from Amoeba Hollywood. thanks to mikebee post i knew i had the right ones when bought.

i checked the ideal copy site and thought that re the price.

have decided to buy from fopp and if not the new editions, take'em back.

however, i relistened to my old Factory edition of Technique this morning in the car

.. sounds perfectly fine (and given i have not heard it for over 10 years - it made me remember how much i used to love this band !)

not sure i need the remastered edition now ..

if you downloaded the Recycle project, you probably don't. I painstakingly tagged my own compilations out of those, and they're great!

The Hordern? On a Wednesday night? I don't think I could be arsed.

^fronting

more like illogical loathing of sydney buses

I checked with Amazon and they only have the new stock.

Felt strangely non-plussed with the deluxe edition, still and thought they did New Order a diservice.

Wasn't the issue not with the albums but with the bonus disc, the b-sides?

the packaging was tat aswell; *fewer* Saville images than the original Technique artwork and some wank essay in a booklet. Hook was banging on about how good they sounded too until people complained. he clearly didn't listen to them, nobody gave a fuck enough to make them any better.

He probably listened to the (re)master 'tape' (in studio), or something.

Bytheway, can anybody access any of the "Recycle" project?

I got the "Blue Monday" yesterday, but since then I can't even get any of the pages w/links. Even that one.

I thought it might be this machine, but have tried at home too.

Or is it a 'browser' issue?

well fopp had a pile of the reissues, but it was very unclear as to which versions they were.
no slipcase, but big sticker re the extras were placed on the back of the packaging.
decided not to bother - when the urge rises i've got PCL on vinyl.
that'll suffice.

Well, the PCL one's extras are all stuff I have anyway, on 12" vinyl.

Mark - Recycle seems to work for me.

I've been getting it via Google Cache.

What browser you use?

oh dear.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2012/mar/07/new-order-peter-hook

A member of New Order from their formation until 2007, Hook was not invited back for the group's recent reunion. "The truth is, Bernard [Sumner]'s a twat and he always has been," Hook told the Guardian last summer.

There's that banter again.

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AHHH is right

That is THE most disturbing gif I have ever seen. It's going to haunt me.

It's like the party scene from Jacob's Ladder.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bdqPXx38Ogw

yeesh

http://learningfunnel.com/hookie-o.gifhttp://28.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lvepu1KTat1qexyuco1_400.gif

Skillrex freaks me out w/how much he looks like Corey Feldman, but that doesn't seem half as horrifying as the Hooky gif. I think it's the "AHHH".

who told these dudes that "invisible doggystyle" was the DJ dance of choice

they look like a dog rubbing shit across a rug. Which is fitting.

anyone insulting these moves has obviously never been caught up in the mix before

unless the mix is electrocuting them because something's not grounded they have no excuses.

when caught up in the mix, one needs no excuses

why does Skrillex look about Hooky's age

Hopefully Hook's next tour will be: Nescafe presents PH + The Light perform 'The Idiot'

i won't repeat the thought i just had

you're just going to leave that hanging

Much like Hooky's jaw.