don't be shy. i want non-fanatics to post here as much as anyone. though fanatics are more than welcome! i love to learn. i listen to classical/modern classical/experimental stuff/opera/choral/etc and i read liner-notes and a lot of what i read doesn't stick, but i am always hearing great stuff and i thought it would be cool to have a spot devoted to all of that. anyway, picked up a bunch of records at the thrift store today. still the greatest deal in the western world. classical records, that is. got about 20 records in great shape for 5 bucks.
right now listening to a double-album box on Philips (Dutch pressing. Radio Chorus & Orchestra of Leipzig) of some of Mozart's church music. you know, Litaniae this, Misericordias that. it's lovely stuff. i love when Mozart gets all churchy on my ass. this gentle sea of voices that rises and rises until the roof is raised. i like to play it loud! and the solos are amazing as well. they belong in an opera. very dramatic. according to the notes, this was all stuff that he wrote from 1774/1781 in Salzburg before his move to Vienna. something i learned: his early church music he wrote out of duty and it didn't have the Mozartian stamp on it. and a lot of stuff is attributed to him because of this. stuff he didn't write. because his early church music just sounded like other people's church music. later, he got deeper. and that's this stuff. see, learning is fun!
so, what are you playing/buying/etc.
modern/ancient/crazy/trad/whatever.
this will be a good place for youtube links too!
― scott seward, Friday, 8 June 2007 23:38 (eighteen years ago)
I really usually hate mozart, but I've been listening to a disc of alfred brendel playing his piano sonatas a lot. like a lot. totally springy light energy, perfect cooking music, it goes with everything.
Mozart: Piano Sonatas K 310, 311, 533/494; Fantasy K.397 http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000089CDZ/105-4942850-8387660
other than that, the new Nancarrow edition is the best yet, all re-recorded on a Bosendorfer grand instead of a tacky Ampco spinnet, in parts it doesn't sound like a player piano at all, it sounds like a human playing the music until it suddenly switches to a section with 200 notes per second http://www.amazon.com/Player-Piano-Conlon-Nancarrow-Studies/dp/B000LP4OHY/ref=sr_1_1/105-4942850-8387660?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1181346416&sr=1-1
this is great too, but I'm still not sure why, there's a fantastic 25 minute organ drone piece "Holy Ghost Vacuum or America Faints", strangely deep and quiet, if you like Charlemagne Palestine or Jon Gibson or y'know drones in general http://www.moderecords.com/catalog/168cacioppo.html
& this is lovely, viols de gamba w/ historical tunings, I bought it for the gesualdo track but the whole thing is fucking gorgeous
La Tavola Cromatica: Un'accademia musicale dal Cardinale Barberini http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000B2YQCK/105-4942850-8387660
― Milton Parker, Friday, 8 June 2007 23:54 (eighteen years ago)
I've been listening to a disc on Pierian of Debussy playing his own piano works and it's really great. It's very easy to see his affinity with Satie in it. http://www.amazon.com/Claude-Debussy-Composer-as-Pianist/dp/B00005IC03/ref=sr_1_2/105-4758167-9626851?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1181347603&sr=8-2
― oo, Saturday, 9 June 2007 00:09 (eighteen years ago)
Mozart wrote some just killer horn pieces, things that have these near impossible technical leaps, tricky bits that are the most challenging things in the world to do, especially on the natural horn. Turns out he had a friend who was a top horn player and he kept writing these pieces as "fun" challenges for him. Cast him in a bit of a different light for me. Like Telemann's Tragicomedia Suite with "The Gout Sufferer" and "The Hypochondriac" movements (and "Country Dance" and "Visit to the House of Joy" offered to each respectively as suggested cures), nice relief from the sometimes too somber.
― Jaq, Saturday, 9 June 2007 00:17 (eighteen years ago)
Milton, one of these days (maybe a few years away), when I get back into listening to more modern classical/avant-garde/academic electronic type things, I am going to want to follow up on a lot of the things you mention. I've never gotten around to buying a complete recording of Nancarrow's player piano pieces, so maybe I will go with this new one (eventually).
I know I've talked about it on other threads, but I am loving Ned Rothenberg's Inner Diaspora (which has at least as much claim to be calling modern classical music as it does jazz--although it might be too accessible for many modern classical fans).
― Rockist Scientist, Saturday, 9 June 2007 00:24 (eighteen years ago)
(I'm also really into not buying music this year, since moving halfway across the country without any job in place is looking more and more like a real possibility.)
― Rockist Scientist, Saturday, 9 June 2007 00:26 (eighteen years ago)
I still love the Wergo Nancarrow set just fine, and it captures him on the exact player he composed for, so we're getting it largely the way he heard it (though there were some technical problems with the hammers when it came time to record the Wergo set causing them to opt to switch to his secondary piano & stronger steel hammers, causing a more percussive 'tacky' traditionally player-pianoish sound). there are enough differences between recordings in certain pieces -- the Wergo's go for total volume assault & overall room tone, and the new DGM's go for a close-mic'd sound and a more graceful tone & dynamic range -- for instance I think I still prefer the Wergo recording of 'Canon X' because it really brings the power at the end. but overall I'd definitely go for the new recordings as an intro to Nancarrow. if you've already got the Wergo's, you're probably fine, but if you're a fanatic... you probably want these new ones too
― Milton Parker, Saturday, 9 June 2007 00:37 (eighteen years ago)
right on time, thread. I got the idea that I should listen to more opera for no good reason about 3 months ago, so far I've only been through La Traviata(fabulous) and La Boheme(ok) in full, and I just sent back a Joan Sutherland 'greatest hits' dvd that was pretty illuminating(obsessed on Lakme flower duet some time before that; i know that's probably like the 'Satisfaction' of opera duets but is there anything else that beautiful in the opera canon? I ask seriously, I'd love to hear anything else like that) Also obsessed with Mozart's Piano Concerto in D Minor, (K. 466: 2nd Movement) after hearing it at the end of Amadeus, listened to it a billion times since. I don't like the other movements too much.
― tremendoid, Saturday, 9 June 2007 01:23 (eighteen years ago)
wow, the Nancarrow stuff is crazy. i dig it. (i just listened to some of the Amazon snippets) i always knew the name, but never heard the music.
found this Nancarrow on Youtube:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=vaqz-glFJSQ
after churchy Mozart, i played a record of George Szell/Cleveland Orchestra doing symphony no.33, but i wasn't feeling it. Or George wasn't feeling it. it couldn't have been ALL my fault. just sounded lacklustre. like what Jaq was saying about the horn pieces, the Mozart that drives me crazy is the stuff that sounds like computer music to me. like superhuman. like how could someone's brain write all that music down that fast. it can be a challenge and a thrill just trying to keep up!
― scott seward, Saturday, 9 June 2007 01:27 (eighteen years ago)
Speaking of Lakme, I've recently been listening to a lot of Mado Robin stuff, and tracking down the good recordings of Leonid Kogan that I can find.
I often wonder why I am more of a performer-based classical listener, vs. composer-based.
― John Justen, Saturday, 9 June 2007 01:28 (eighteen years ago)
I love La Traviata! I have a couple of different productions. Today I bought a Deutsche Grammophon boxed set from 1977 with Ileana Cotrubas and Placido Domingo that i'm gonna play tomorrow. see if the kids like it!
― scott seward, Saturday, 9 June 2007 01:32 (eighteen years ago)
glenn gould & mozart:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=68HTMNSLc8I
― scott seward, Saturday, 9 June 2007 01:52 (eighteen years ago)
currently listening to: monteverdi sacred music, done by robert king, hindemith unaccompanied violin sonatas, handel's saul, schoenberg's suite in g and chamber symphony no 2.
― Frogman Henry, Saturday, 9 June 2007 01:53 (eighteen years ago)
xpost-- I love that new string of Mozart recordings Brendel has been slowly releasing over the last 7 or 8 years. I haven't heard any of the solo piano discs, though, just two of the Piano Concerto discs. The disc of concertos 20 and 24 (the only minor key concerti Mozart wrote) is my go-to choice for both pieces right now. Mackerras and his orchestra nail the pulsating doominess of the opening movements and Brendel is neither cutesy nor over the top in the face of it, just humanly expressive.
I'm all about the Piano Concertos with Mozart. The spark of inventiveness just never goes out when he writes for that genre, always trying something new in each one. The last ten or so symphonies are great too, though I haven't found a conductor/orchestra who really play them the way I want. My favorites are the 78rpm recordings with Beecham and the London Philharmonic, but the CDs I have of them are too heavily noise-filtered, waaahhhh.
Scott, I'll bet Szell is too uptight for Mozart Symphonies. I love Szell in Mahler and R Strauss where for some reason Szell gets all luscious and sensual, but in classical and high romantic stuff he's just too stiff and stabby.
Thanks for starting this thread.
― Jon Lewis, Saturday, 9 June 2007 01:57 (eighteen years ago)
trevor pinnock, christopher hogwood, and karl bohm great mozart symphony conductors.
― Frogman Henry, Saturday, 9 June 2007 02:01 (eighteen years ago)
szell did a goodversion of no. 40 i think.
― Frogman Henry, Saturday, 9 June 2007 02:03 (eighteen years ago)
I once had the 2CD DG Originals of Bohm conducting the last 5. I did like his interpretations, but there was something bizarre about the orchestral sound that led it to the discard pile. I can't remember what bothered me about it now...
Besides Beecham, Mackerras comes close. But he's a little breezy at times. I like Mozart symphonies to stick to my ribs and knock me around a little.
― Jon Lewis, Saturday, 9 June 2007 02:08 (eighteen years ago)
I've spent years trying to roll w/Mozart, but it just never seems to stick. Any particular recording suggestions?
― John Justen, Saturday, 9 June 2007 02:09 (eighteen years ago)
for the piano concertos: murray perahia on sony symphonies: pinnock string quintets: grumiax quintet on philips
― Frogman Henry, Saturday, 9 June 2007 02:14 (eighteen years ago)
piano works: uchida or brendel (or walter klein, if you can get hold of it) operas: currently enjoying john eliot gardiner on dvds
― Frogman Henry, Saturday, 9 June 2007 02:17 (eighteen years ago)
xpost-- John, what kind of forces do you want to hear? Are you most attracted to chamber music, solo, symphonic, vocal?
― Jon Lewis, Saturday, 9 June 2007 03:14 (eighteen years ago)
currently listening to: monteverdi sacred music, done by robert king,
You chose a child molester's Monteverdi!
― Chinchilla Volapük, Saturday, 9 June 2007 04:02 (eighteen years ago)
fuck. i didn't hear about the verdict. well that's dreadful. i'm not sure how i'm going to feel about listening to him now. i have a lot of his purcell cds, where he is, unquestionably one of the best. is it silly to feel this way?
― Frogman Henry, Saturday, 9 June 2007 04:10 (eighteen years ago)
I don't much like Mozart either, and Glenn Gould is a bit of a twat.
― Hurting 2, Saturday, 9 June 2007 04:16 (eighteen years ago)
I know I've already talked it up, but Copland's Symphony for Organ and Orchestra is phenomenal. It's an earlier work that owes a lot to Stravinsky, so if you don't like that Americana sound his most famous stuff has, you won't find it here.
― Hurting 2, Saturday, 9 June 2007 04:17 (eighteen years ago)
Wow, that's depressing about Robert King. You hear rumors about this kind of stuff sometimes with conductors, as with teachers, but... eeuughhh.
I don't actually own any of his discs. Purcell not a specialty of mine and for Monteverdi I have Rene Jacobs.
― Jon Lewis, Saturday, 9 June 2007 04:32 (eighteen years ago)
Another favorite: Jack Nitzsche St Giles Cripplegate. Monstrous fun, and just beautiful.
Also, Zygmunt Krauze, a real hidden gem: http://www.polmic.pl/foto/Krauze-PNCD113.jpg
― oo, Saturday, 9 June 2007 04:39 (eighteen years ago)
Also, hurting2, you're right, Gould was kind of a twat. His bizarre, fun-to-read-about personality was one of my initial gateways into classical music, though, and he probably performs that function for others. So he's useful.
I don't listen to many of his recordings anymore though, even of Bach.
(Actually Satie, with his equally bizarre biography, was my other gateway. From him I found Debussy who was not so colorful a character but who musically I ended up liking about 300% more.)
― Jon Lewis, Saturday, 9 June 2007 04:42 (eighteen years ago)
Satie is great but I think you can get a lot more listening mileage out of Debussy.
― Hurting 2, Saturday, 9 June 2007 04:50 (eighteen years ago)
i prefer reading gould's writings than listening to his recordings.
― Frogman Henry, Saturday, 9 June 2007 05:13 (eighteen years ago)
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― Frogman Henry, Saturday, 9 June 2007 05:14 (eighteen years ago)
There should be a Casper 'The Friendly Ghost' scary classical thread sometime.
Playing this quite a bit:
http://www.newalbion.com/NA021/
Went to see a perf of Nono "La lontananza nostalgica..." for violin + 7 channel tape -- that tape really sounds very 3-dimensional in the hall, but also quite 'retro' (sounds of breaking glass, steps, moans). The violin player played bits of the score, having to move to several points in the hall, and at a couple of these points she seemed to lose herself trying to find which bit of the score to play. That added a bit of unintentional drama (either that or she ws a great actress -- there ws soem panic on her face, she walked around quicker whereas before she did very slowly so as to not disturb the sounds coming in from the tape).
The last bit ws played right behind me, which wsn't as incredible as I thought it would be as even at close proximity the speaker sound intruded, a very odd feeling.
― xyzzzz__, Saturday, 9 June 2007 11:35 (eighteen years ago)
more churchy stuff. listening to Theodore Dubois's The Seven Last Words of Christ. Organ. Choir. Pretty depressing. Somehow it suits my hangover perfectly. don't know nothing about Dubois. Picked it up yesterday. he wrote this in 1867. found this nugget via wikipedia:
"Dubois was director of the Conservatoire from 1896 (succeeding Thomas upon the latter's death) to 1905. He was forced to resign after his refusal to award the Prix de Rome to Maurice Ravel created a substantial public outcry, which was increased by an open letter from the novelist and musicologist Romain Rolland. Gabriel Fauré took over from Dubois as director."
i wonder what his beef with Ravel was?
i've got no problem with Glenn Gould! i dunno. i'm no fanatic or anything. i've got a nice Bach box of his. that's pretty much all i listen to. and i have some earlier stuff somewhere that i don't play much. i was just looking for Mozart piano on Youtube and that popped up. there are still people who still rate him as a player, aren't there? and i like some of his writing too. and his interviews are a hoot.
― scott seward, Saturday, 9 June 2007 14:16 (eighteen years ago)
I think everyone still rates Gould as player, definitely. He just usually fucks with the music so much, it can be really exhausting and frustrating.
I forgot something big, though, when I said I rarely listen to him anymore-- some of his recordings of the earlier Beethoven sonatas are really really great, and I do reach for those often. He completely kicks ass in sonatas 5-7, 9-10, 22, 26 and 27/2 (zee Moonlight). Sorry Glenn, you're still a fucker but I didn't give you your props.
Then in other LvB sonatas he goes into his perversity-sabotage mode and is unbearable.
Also like everybody else I still like both Goldberg Variations recordings, these days the reflective 1981 version more than the speed demon 1955. But it gets SO TIRING watching them get reissued in new packaging/mastering every fucking year.
Fite Dubois vs. Ravel-- I'll wager it was purely musical. French musical academia was HUGELY RIDICULOUSLY conservative at that time. You had to submit something utterly retro to stand a chance of winning the Prix.
― Jon Lewis, Saturday, 9 June 2007 17:27 (eighteen years ago)
"But it gets SO TIRING watching them get reissued in new packaging/mastering every fucking year"
Amen http://zenph.com/sept25.html
http://www.classicstoday.com/review.asp?ReviewNum=11017
tho gould's humming is gone, which is a bonus!
― Frogman Henry, Saturday, 9 June 2007 17:53 (eighteen years ago)
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
"Two "re-performances" are offered here: one in stereo surround sound, the other recorded from a binaural stereo "headphone" perspective where omnidirectional microphones are placed in the ear canals of a dummy head situated not far above the keyboard. Do the results resemble Glenn Gould? The recordings certainly sound "Gouldian", in that they accurately mirror the pianist's contrapuntal clarity, chord balances, accents, dynamic shifts, pedaling, and hair-trigger precision."
i'm in yer dummyhead, messing with yer bach!
― scott seward, Saturday, 9 June 2007 17:58 (eighteen years ago)
Shades of Ohr records "Headsound" technique on some of those early Krautrock LP's!
Also links back to the "Debussy plays Debussy" record mentioned upthread, which comes down to us only thanks to reproducing pianos. Debussy's performance in errrr 1910 or 1914, something like that, was recorded by a Vorsetzer, this crazy device which sits in front of your piano and presses its keys with little levers. I'm not sure how the Vorsetzer originally captures the note values played by the performer.
But that's why the Debussy Plays Debussy recordings are in modern sound. And it's remarkable how Debussy can barely cope with his own music on it, though it must have been hella stressful to be trying to play while this crazy simulacrum is mind-melding you. Plus I think Debussy might have been starting in with his cancer by then.
― Jon Lewis, Saturday, 9 June 2007 18:22 (eighteen years ago)
Frogman there's a lot of highly esteemed hummers out there. Ivan Moravec hums, Pollini hums sometimes, Brendel sometimes. Never as loudly as GG though.
― Jon Lewis, Saturday, 9 June 2007 18:26 (eighteen years ago)
jazz hummers are legion.
― scott seward, Saturday, 9 June 2007 18:27 (eighteen years ago)
I guess the thing that makes Gould's so intrusive is that he doesn't just hum obvious root tones of what he's playing; he sometimes hums like a COUNTERPOINT to what he's playing.
― Jon Lewis, Saturday, 9 June 2007 18:33 (eighteen years ago)
i have purchased a vulgar amount of classical recordings in the past month, but some of the highlights:
messiaen - vignt regards sur l'enfant-jesus, osborne.
...a real mindfcuk. i haven't been able to give this a proper listen, however; it doesn't really lend itself to commuter listening. i can't think of a grander, more demanding work the piano. it's as if one of bach's epic choral works had been compressed into a single instrument and the notes had fallen out of place.
webern - complete webern, boulez et al
...rivals the Fall BBC sessions box set for greatest product ever. the only webern i had heard before this was pollini playing an unengaging (methinks) solo piano piece on a DG originals disc. there's a lot of beautiful music here, overseen by one of webern's greatest interpreters.
jehan alain - organ works, bowyer
...i think i'm only going to by organ music from now on.
― poortheatre, Saturday, 9 June 2007 19:08 (eighteen years ago)
Haha ppl otm about "Gould a bit of a twat, but a fun twat". I remember reading him on the Mozart sonatas, going something like "what is this about me not liking Mozart? I love Mozart! Playing his sonatas is a real tactile pleasure!" Faint praise or what?
Also, his impersonations (maybe only written?) of Stuffy English Traditionalist, Nutty German Stockhausenish Modernist etc were pretty fun, I seem to remember.
― anatol_merklich, Saturday, 9 June 2007 20:13 (eighteen years ago)
Aren't there two complete Webern-by-Boulez things, or am I making this up? Anyway, I have the three-CD one which seems to be from 1978 originally, and yes it's grebt, apart from all the soprano Lieder, which I have a bit of trouble with (and I have this feeling that the problem may be the choice of singers).
― anatol_merklich, Saturday, 9 June 2007 20:17 (eighteen years ago)
Ah, yes! The very hot weather we have here now reminds me of last summer, when I was sitting outside with some white wine, reading fun mythology and listening the symphonies of Giovanni Battista Sammartini (not to be confused with his brother Giuseppe Baldassare Sammartini). Generally very early bits in the history of the symphony, they're these rather simple, elegant, economical (and, well, if you wanted to be dismissive you could probably say slight) pieces where the average movement clocks in at about three minutes. Not for heavy, browfurrowed listening, but excellent background for relaxytime.
― anatol_merklich, Saturday, 9 June 2007 20:35 (eighteen years ago)
anatol, there are two webern boxes. the one that you have was recorded in the 70s and is no longer in print and was only op. 1 - 31. the new box, released in '06 has all his official works plus un-official (although i think it's not literally "complete").
― poortheatre, Saturday, 9 June 2007 20:41 (eighteen years ago)
also, it is so, so beautiful to hold and behold.
Yeah. I have the earlier Boulez Complete Webern set too, the one on Sony. I like Webern mostly for his unique ear for instrumental color, not so much for his taking-to-the-Nth of twelve-tone practice.
If the DG Webern set is like Boulez' other DG endeavors, it will be more sensuous and flexible than the Sony set, maybe a bit too much so.
Seems like Boulez had weird taste in sopranos in his Sony days, tending to the harpyish. I can't deal with his Sony Pierrot Lunaire.
― Jon Lewis, Saturday, 9 June 2007 20:44 (eighteen years ago)
anatol, there are two webern boxes. the one that you have was recorded in the 70s and is no longer in print and was only op. 1 - 31.
Plus a couple of his orchestrations, of Bach and Schubert.
also, (the new one) is so, so beautiful to hold and behold.
I'm pretty sure I'd buy it on sight if I came across it in a shop, but decent classical shops or departments Do Not Exist here anymore, so I would need to consciously have it in mind to get around to getting it -- hmm like for instance now! ;)
xpost: unique ear for instrumental color utterly otm. Like wtf, a mandolin, is this some novelty gag or something? No.
― anatol_merklich, Saturday, 9 June 2007 20:49 (eighteen years ago)
Loooove the use of mandolin in Webern. Schoenberg does nice stuff with it too in his Serenade for Tenor and chamber ensemble. A work with a lot of humor, for those who might not expect that of Schoenberg.
― Jon Lewis, Saturday, 9 June 2007 21:13 (eighteen years ago)
Interesting, I'll emusic it once my quota renews. (I assume you mean opus 24, which AMG lists as for baritone, not tenor?)
― anatol_merklich, Saturday, 9 June 2007 21:39 (eighteen years ago)
Yeah, baritone. I think that'll be the same performance I have on a Koch disc, as the Naxos Robert Craft/Schoenberg series seems to be reissuing his Koch stuff.
― Jon Lewis, Saturday, 9 June 2007 22:04 (eighteen years ago)
I think the Webern disc on Naxos is also a Craft issue. My first disc of his, probably listen to that more than the Boulez (although of course everyone has to give that oen a listen - it ws great how Boulez really got recordings of his music out there - the first recording of "Lulu"). The Arditti's disc of his music for strings is my v favourite set.
I want another recording of his cantatas.
"I like Webern mostly for his unique ear for instrumental color, not so much for his taking-to-the-Nth of twelve-tone practice."
But surely both (the ear and the method) worked together to bring the best out of each other?
― xyzzzz__, Sunday, 10 June 2007 11:04 (eighteen years ago)
Always wanted to read a bk of him called "The Death of Webern" - has anyone come across that?
Just reading about some recordings on the train last night - what I'm gonna be looking forward to.
Christopher Redgate's recital for Oboe
Philip Thomas' really exiciting programme for piano
Also Dieter Schnebel on Wergo has come out, and its a student orchestral on the job, playing fragments of Stravinsky, Varese, etc. The reviewer made this odd point of how the politics of this piece were embedded in the form rather than in the content.
http://www.wergo.de/shop/en_UK/3/show,226806.html
Finally a Nono archival recording on ed.rz ("Quando Stanno Morendo") - gd to see all the old radio perfs coming out instead of sitting in a cave in Germany somewhere.
― xyzzzz__, Sunday, 10 June 2007 11:56 (eighteen years ago)
Nice to have this thread!
Been seeing a lot of live music recently. A couple of recommendations for Londoners - I was at the first concert of the <a href="http://www.chambermusiccompany.com/sgprog.html ">Second Glance Festival</a>. A very low key affair, but notable for two reasons: 1) the concerts are held in the Venezuelan Embassy, which is worth some curiosity value (and it's a nice little hall for chamber music), and 2) the Carducci Quartet who are absolutely superb. The pieces they played last week weren't all that great (apart from Ian Wilson's Limena, which the more I hear it, the more I love it, think it's possibly the best thing he's done), but the performances really lifted them somewhere. It's not often I recognise that sort of thing, so that's high praise. The Carducci's have just released a disc of Haydn, and were I in the market for some Haydn quartets I'd give it a go.
Secondly, Gwyn Pritchard's <a href="http://www.uroborosensemble.com/">Uroboros Ensemble</a> are playing a second gig at the Warehouse (Waterloo) on the 21st June. The first show was v good - tight playing, and some excellent pieces (Roger Redgate, N.A. Huber, and Athanasia Tzanou in particular). The second show should be pretty good too, although I know almost nothing about most of the composers on the bill.
― Tim R-J, Monday, 11 June 2007 16:05 (eighteen years ago)
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― Tim R-J, Monday, 11 June 2007 16:06 (eighteen years ago)
Hey Julio, I'm gonna come up with some names for your String Quartet thread, but I see you've put in a word for Spahlinger. I know zilch about his music but keep seeing his name - where to start?
― Tim R-J, Monday, 11 June 2007 16:10 (eighteen years ago)
I started with "Extension" for violin and piano (from '77), which builds on Lachenmann's acoustic concrete nicely enough. Its on an out-of-print disc on hatart. That string quartet is also a pretty good place to start.
His piece for seven pianos ("Colours of the Morning") is one of my favourite pieces from the last few years.
I'll probably have to be at that Warehouse gig - Staebler comes from a similar place to Spahlinger. He likes to play with annoying repetitive sounds as well (I see there'll be some car alarms in that piece). James Clarke I kinda want to like more than I end up doing but I haven't heard enough.
"La violenza..", off the SurPlus disc, is a great piece. Must check out the rest of it sometime.
http://www.amazon.com/James-Clarke-Ensemble-SurPlus/dp/B000FWHXZ8
― xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 12 June 2007 17:02 (eighteen years ago)
The only Clarke I have is a piece called Final Dance (from one of those Col Legno Donaueschingen releases). It's interesting enough, and pretty skillfully done, but... I can't quite get into it beyond that.
― Tim R-J, Tuesday, 12 June 2007 18:41 (eighteen years ago)
I'm in hog heaven today. Marco Polo/Naxos has been working their way through the solo piano music of Godowsky, performed by Konstantin Scherbakov. Vol. 8 is out, finally covering a work I've been dying to hear for 5 or 6 years: the Java Suite, aka "Phonoramas: Tonal Journeys For The Piano".
It's a suite of 12 pieces Godowsky wrote after a concert tour of Indonesia, each one focused on a touristic impression of Java (gamelans, shadow puppets, natural features, etc). As you might guess from the subject matter, the music is squarely in the snakey, glittering, decadent/orientalist realm of Debussy's solo piano Images and Ravel's Miroirs. Scherbakov molds it wonderfully.
This is a particular byway of early 20c music I can never get enough of, so me am happy man. I got this off eMusic FYI. Here's a good review from the sometimes-reliable Jed Distler:
http://www.classicstoday.com/review.asp?ReviewNum=10938
― Jon Lewis, Tuesday, 12 June 2007 21:49 (eighteen years ago)
friend just loaned me a 1979 record by Vietnamese composer Nguyen Thien Dao -- born 1940, studied at Paris Conservatory and at GRM Studios (!!!) No tape pieces on this, but it is astounding -- two pieces of wind blasts and bizarre percussion seperated by long sections of silence, and it really does manage to sound like a cross between Vietnamese folk music and modern classical, informed by concréte music. Makes Penderecki's Utrenja (i.e. the pounding percussion assaults used in "The Shining") sound almost tame by comparison, in that he really makes you wait for it. the final piece is solo a capella performed by the composer and it is completely mad, recitational punctuated by shrieking (reminds me of Kazuki Tomokawa's Playing With Phantom, if that means anything, and if it doesn't I recommend him too). Kind of a must-hear record if you're into non-western modern classical.
http://www.groovecollector.com/item/1/6449-1611-0-1-0/13391952/nguyen-thien-dao-ba-me-viet-nam-phu-dong-gio-dong.html
Also went to a concert by the New Century Chamber Orchestra on Tuesday -- Mozart / Elgar & a Taiwanese composer Gordon Chin. They play without a conductor, which I'd never ever seen before, and it's wonderful -- instead of dozens of people all staring at one authoritative figure and trying to sync to him, you can hear them jamming a bit -- ebbs and swells in the music as they make eye contact with each other, neighboring players kind of catching fire when a nearby soloist heats up, all of them having a lot of fun with the dynamics -- which is easier to do with Mozart, where there aren't many dynamic markings. but still wonderful to hear the players doing it themselves based on their own playing, rather than sitting there trying to follow the conductor. I wish more people did this, it was like watching a huge rock or jazz band.
― Milton Parker, Friday, 15 June 2007 07:36 (eighteen years ago)
Orpheus Chamber Orch is the best known practitioner of the orchestra-without-conductor method. I hardly have any of their records, though.
― Jon Lewis, Friday, 15 June 2007 14:57 (eighteen years ago)
Watched a conservatoire ensemble play Xenakis (Aurora) and Schnittke (Concerto Grosso no.1) without a conductor last night. This is probably more a reflection of the fact that they were students (albeit v good ones) and not professionals, but I thought going conductorless hampered them a bit - particularly in the Xenakis, everyone seemed so worried about staying together that their playing got really cautious - actually the opposite effect from what Milton suggests.
― Tim R-J, Friday, 15 June 2007 15:42 (eighteen years ago)
i don't read a lot of classical news, but I guess one of the biggest events in the past few years has been the piecemeal release of Joseph Keilberth's Ring Cycle on Testament. It was the first complete stereo live recording (?), but has been sitting in Decca's vaults for 50 years. Has anyone heard it? I'm tempted to buy it, but it's not offered (yet?) as a set and buying them individually would total something like $230 (and I already have three other Ring cycles).
Has anyone heard it? A lot of reviews have been depicting it as the new preferred complete cycle and a revelation in performance and (for its age) sound. I'm currently at the apex of wagnerolatry and will probably buy it all during one of my soul-searching, cyber-journeys to the end of the night. so DER RING SOLL ICH HAAABBBEENNNNN..
― poortheatre, Sunday, 17 June 2007 23:43 (eighteen years ago)
Yeah, the Keilberth Ring has gotten huge raves from both sides of the pond. I have to wonder how much of it is just due to the fact that the thing hid in the vaults so long. I'm pretty orchestra-centric with Ring recordings, and never heard anyone say Keilberth was very inspired before this, but I don't doubt the orch execution, sound quality and singing are top notch. I'll definitely check it out if the Lincoln Center library has it next time I go.
But the next Ring cycle I intend to spend money on is Barenboim's. It sounds like it might be exactly what I want from a digital-era Ring. My desert island pick from the half dozen I've heard, though, would be Furtwangler/La Scala, specifically the remastering on the Gebhardt label. It fucking sounds like myth in motion, really breathes, oozes magic.
Meanwhile, on a not-very-distant note, I've been in the mood to listen to Bruckner symphonies the last week, but I'm finding myself unsatisfied by the 3 recordings of #5 I have (Wand/Koln/DHM, Jochum/Concertgebouw/Philips, Tintner/Naxos). No one seems to pull off the final movement without it sounding like hollow rhetoric. Any suggentions?
― Jon Lewis, Tuesday, 19 June 2007 21:49 (eighteen years ago)
seems to be a good horenstein out there: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Bruckner-Symphony-No-5-Anton/dp/B00004SV5H/ref=sr_1_1/026-5197118-9423622?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1182290189&sr=1-1
now, which is the best ring on dvd?
― Frogman Henry, Tuesday, 19 June 2007 21:58 (eighteen years ago)
Actually I might buy the Barenboim on DVD instead of CD. The visuals I've seen from that production look amazing.
The only one I've seen all of on video is the Levine/Met. A traditional sword n' sorcery production, which is fine too. Siegfried Jerusalem (whatta name!) as Siegfried does some really GREAT acting in the third opera. The romantic leads in Walkure are horrible actors though.
― Jon Lewis, Tuesday, 19 June 2007 22:03 (eighteen years ago)
i was at the recent covent garden ring, but i wish they'd release that on dvd. i didn't tape it off tv :- (
― Frogman Henry, Tuesday, 19 June 2007 22:13 (eighteen years ago)
Over at the Google group rec.music.classical.recordings, in a thread about Solti's Mahler 9th, someone has posted r4p1dshare links to an incredible live Karajan M9 from the 1982 Salzburg festival (not the same perf as his commercially issued live release). Excellent radio broadcast sound. I'm no Karajan enthusiast, but grab this dudes, it's extraordinary.
― Jon Lewis, Thursday, 21 June 2007 16:43 (eighteen years ago)
my big discovery in the last year has been stuff by alan hovhaness. had records of some smaller group pieces he did (including one featuring banjos that i really liked), but was lucky enough to find a copy of two of his symphonies on cd (delos - seattle symphony) and wow they are so beautiful. mount st.helens symphony and city of light symphony. so cosmic. have no idea how much people like him. i'd never even HEARD of him till last year.
http://www.hovhaness.com/Photos/Gallery_Plucking.jpg
― scott seward, Thursday, 21 June 2007 17:06 (eighteen years ago)
He was crazy crazy prolific. IIRC just his symphonies number around 70.
I don't know his stuff well. Have the famous Fritz Reiner rec of Mysterious Mountain at home, and another disc my Mom sent me. The word on Hovhaness is that after the 1960s he started to repeat himself pretty hard, but that in his prime his stuff has a lot of undulating sensual appeal. I should listen to Mountain tonight.
Naxos has been issuing cheap discs of Hovhaness the last few years with Gerard Schwarz conducting.
Do you like Delius, Scott? He's my man for pure orchestral beauty (not cosmic for him though, more pastoral).
― Jon Lewis, Thursday, 21 June 2007 17:13 (eighteen years ago)
everything is lovely and lyrical in the mt st.helens symphony and then kaboom! when that volcano erupts you better watch out. it's a great moment.
i don't know if i know delius. name looks familiar. i'll have to check. unfortunately all my records are in an old school bus as we are in the process of house-building. when i get them out again i definitely want to go through those records i bought on the Crystal label again. LOTS of modern dudes i had never heard of like Hovhaness and so much stuff that i ended up enjoying. (they were getting rid of all their vinyl on ebay and i got 50 sealed records for like 20 bucks. best deal in the world. all from the 70's/early 80's.)
― scott seward, Thursday, 21 June 2007 17:35 (eighteen years ago)
Crystal was like THE Hovhaness label, right? I think he had his own private label and then Crystal bought them out eventually. There must be Hovhaness galore in that bunch you bought.
The other thing I think of Crystal for is wacky super-niche releases of wind and band music.
Also, the phrase "all my records are in an old school bus" is indisputably classic, though the actual situation is probably not so fun.
― Jon Lewis, Thursday, 21 June 2007 17:42 (eighteen years ago)
those Crystal records sound great
wanted to thank Scott for listing Hovhaness on noize threads, prompting me to check him out, once I did I started noticing the name everywhere. if the criticism is that he repeated himself too much, it's the kind of music you'd want to last for a long time in any case. the release notes for the new Stars of the Lid album list the Reiner recording of 'Mysterious Mountain' as an influence and you can definitely hear it. Carl Sagan used a few of his pieces for the Cosmos soundtrack. I need to hear the one for symphony & taped whalesong.
the Hovhaness website has a helpful record guide.
― Milton Parker, Thursday, 21 June 2007 17:57 (eighteen years ago)
There've been several reviews of the newer Naxos Hovhaness releases in the last coupla issues of Fanfare. I'll have a reread of them tonight. And will listen to the Reiner. I've been feeling like listening to Reiner lately anyway.
― Jon Lewis, Thursday, 21 June 2007 18:01 (eighteen years ago)
yeah, Hovhaness had his own imprint: The Poseidon Society. I got 3 or 4 of those in my batch. Crystal is big on brass and woodwinds.
http://www.crystalrecords.com/
― scott seward, Thursday, 21 June 2007 18:07 (eighteen years ago)
on my cd, schwarz conducts the mt st.helens symphony and hovhaness conducts the city of light symphony.
― scott seward, Thursday, 21 June 2007 18:08 (eighteen years ago)
I'm going thru the "B"s, so--
just listened to Branca's Fifth (I think--"expanding hypersphere"?) and was much more impressed than I've been on previous occasions. Great chords, unexpected but sensible, and the final movement crescendo was thrilling and almost unendurable. I'd wished in the past that he didn't include drums, but this time they totally made sense and didn't seem intrusive.
Also, Anthony Braxton's Composition 165 (for 18 instruments) which I didn't like asmuch as Steve Reich's composition for 18 instruments, and if we're talking pieces about clouds, didn't like as much as Nuages or "Little Fluffy Clouds", in that, while it seemed to depict the music of the clouds just as accurately, its purposelessness was not as compelling. I mean, it changed tempos like 40 minutes in, but I can only take 35 minutes or so of random chords followed by improvisational doodles.
Also, heard Bartok's quartets 1 and 3 at Ravinia (near Chicago) over loudspeakers on the lawn, cos we're cheap and brought a 2 year old. 1 was OK, a little expressionistically stolid for my taste, but 3's where he starts incorporating all the pizzicato and glissando effects, and I loved it. I dig the FX. I think someone broke a string or something, cos midway thru they stopped, retuned for 5 minutes, and then started over from the beginning. It was the Julliard 4tet.
Also (not a "B"), heard Phil Glass and Leonard Cohen's "Book of Longing" at same venue last week (or at least 2/3 of it, in re 2 year old), and it was good if you like hearing THE EXACT SAME PHIL GLASS STUFF THAT YOU'VE HEARD A MILLION TIMES OVER AND OVER, which I do. Some of Cohen's words were funny. Good one addressed to "Lord" and good one about bringing a princess to a stream and laying her. Don't think there's a recording.
― dr. phil, Saturday, 23 June 2007 01:22 (eighteen years ago)
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― danbunny, Saturday, 23 June 2007 01:35 (eighteen years ago)
Anyone see "Classical Britannia" on BBC4? The 1st of a 3 part series covering developments in Brit music after WWII. Maxwell Davies, Birtwistle and Goehr were alright (esp Davies and Goehr -- the latter's music I've yet to hear). Gd to hear that but also to have a look at some ppl aren't so much on my radar (Britten!)
Unfortunately these programmes are made by ppl who don't have a thesis at the outset hence you end up w/ a friendly 'mix' of 'stuff' -- brief mentions, little argument. But still..
― xyzzzz__, Sunday, 24 June 2007 10:50 (eighteen years ago)
The current New Yorker prints a whole chapter on Sibelius (my personal favorite composer) taken from Alex Ross' not-yet-released book on 20c composers, The Rest Is Noise. And it's in the online edition too:
http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2007/07/09/070709fa_fact_ross
God I love that picture of old Ben Grimm-looking JS! Already printed this out to read on my lunch break.
― Jon Lewis, Tuesday, 3 July 2007 17:23 (eighteen years ago)
You always get a feeling with Ross that he is into the celebrity of the public composer a bit too much. And its always pretty how he is always willing to put Adorno in the worst light (yes, we know he could be a twat) and casting off atonalist as merely for the cerebral.
How much better it could've been if Sibelius ws used as a jumping off point to discuss Ferneyhough and Feldman. As I sense it their music has a hardness but its crucially crossed with a Sibelius like taste for the sensous that takes away from the hardness, making the surface more attractive.
― xyzzzz__, Saturday, 7 July 2007 14:19 (eighteen years ago)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/proms/2007/
The proms season is off again w/ a perf of 'Sinfonia' tomorrow then you've got Ives' 4th on tuesday accompanied by Bernstein and then a commission fulfilled by Sam Hayden, which I'm really looking forward to (might even be there; I've never gone and really would like to).
― xyzzzz__, Sunday, 15 July 2007 22:23 (eighteen years ago)
I heard Glass's "Book of Longing" at Lincoln Center Festival last night, and yes, much of the thematic material sounds like Glass trademark. (In particular, the main theme sounded a lot to me like his scores for the Qatsi Trilogy.) But overall it was very good. It's so much like a song cycle, and in fact I thought that a simple piano/voice transcription would be just as good. There is one song in the set ("Puppet Time") that's the most "rock" sounding I've heard of his, complete with full drum kit banging out a complex backbeat.
― MC, Sunday, 15 July 2007 22:49 (eighteen years ago)
i saw Gergiev's Gotterdammerung at the Met last friday (standing room only, 5.5 hours = 'i told u i was hardcore.') The cast and orchestra were top-notch, esp. Hagen and the Rhinemaidens. The staging/concept was impressive, although it wasn't as innovative as some reviews made it sound. I think it's impossible not to be underwhelmed by the finale. How are you supposed to have someone ride a horse into a funeral pyre, depict the banks of the river overflow to flood the world, and then show Valhalla burning in the distance? this production opted for some red lighting, then blue lighting, and then a lowering/bowing of large statues of the gods. meh. also, they blew the awesome moment where a dead siegfried holds up his hand to discourage hagen from taking the ring.
i wish i had seen Rheingold or Walkure; Gotterdammung is my least favorite of of the cycle: no wotan, no fafnir, full of the classical instances that wagner condemned (trios, etc), and as Shaw pointed out a hundred years ago, the vast majority of the libretto is spent re-re-rehashing what's happened in the previous operas.
i'm too negative; i had a great time, nonetheless, and there were several thrilling moments.
* * *
i'm really excited for the Mostly Mozart series that's coming up at Lincoln center. Highlights for me will be the Christian Tetzlaff and the Marc-Andre Hamelin performances.
― poortheatre, Monday, 23 July 2007 00:23 (eighteen years ago)
recent purchases (that I would also recommend):
Bartok - complete music for piano (Kocsis; Phillips) Ives - several releases on Naxos: violin sonatas, symphonies. Alkan - Symphony for Solo Piano (Hamelin; Hyperion)
― poortheatre, Monday, 23 July 2007 00:26 (eighteen years ago)
had a great time listening to Nielsen and Sibelius today. Symphony No.5 for both of them. Kirill Kondrashin conducting the Concertgebouw Orchestra of Amsterdam. Live concert recordings. Made me want to slowly invade a really dreamy nation.
― scott seward, Monday, 23 July 2007 01:14 (eighteen years ago)
i'll make a note of it when i listen to one of those Crystal Records that I mentioned up top. right now:
New Music For Brass - Annapolis Brass Quintet
Alvin Etler - Sonic Sequences (1967)
Douglas Allanbrook - Commencement Exercises (1985);Night and Morning Music (1977)
George Heussenstamm - Ensembles for Brass Quintet (1976)
never heard of these dudes. i like this record. the Heussenstamm is the most, um, academic of the three. The Etler is cool and dreamy and dark. the Allanbrook stuff is maybe the most ambitious. a lot going on. from total silence to drifting thoughts to more assertive horn stabs that reach out from the darkness.
all in all, a pretty spacey brass album!
― scott seward, Monday, 23 July 2007 01:35 (eighteen years ago)
so, did anyone ever buy this? milton? dude had a great idea anyway.
http://www.thestranger.com/lineout/files/2007/01/inter.jpg
― scott seward, Monday, 23 July 2007 01:56 (eighteen years ago)
going to see verdi's macbeth at the proms on tue. seen some great ones so far: the rameau, the bruckner 7, the ives 4, the striggio/tallis all great.
― Frogman Henry, Monday, 23 July 2007 01:56 (eighteen years ago)
oh, also, i bought that 21 disc schubert lieder collection.
i haven't listened to it yet, but i have an important paper due in 24 hours and should be able to hear most of it by then.
― poortheatre, Monday, 23 July 2007 03:15 (eighteen years ago)
(the fischer-dieskau / moore one on DG)
― poortheatre, Monday, 23 July 2007 03:16 (eighteen years ago)
mashanpeqioouttyes
― danbunny, Monday, 23 July 2007 03:37 (eighteen years ago)
xpost C DeLaurenti is a pal and a scholar and his Intermissions CD is wonderful. if you find a copy of it, don't pause, after the NYT writeup it's already out of print though I think he said he would repress
also check his CD collage of the WTO riots in Seattle -- disc 1 is an on-site field recording he made in the streets. disc 2 is a selection of the police radio dialog of the response. play them both at once!
― Milton Parker, Monday, 23 July 2007 19:16 (eighteen years ago)
poortheater I'm so glad you got that Kocsis Bartok box. Kocsis is just a fucking incredible pianist. His Debussy is in a box now too, though I've heard his Preludes are kinda perverse (I have his other Debussy recordings on indiv. discs).
Also damn your filthy eyes for going to the Gergiev Ring! I really wanna see it.
Scott I had no idea Kondrashin ever recorded Sibelius 5. There is a metric fuckload of Sibelius recordings from the vinyl era that no one talks about anymore I suppose. My favorite Sib 5's right now are Segerstam (on Ondine, not Chandos) and Colin Davis (the recent live LSO label one).
Re: Alex Ross' article, I think Ross is one of those music writers who plays to his strengths when he plays to his pleasures. He's v eloquent and OTM when he writes about composers he loves, but when he decides to take someone down a notch (Schoenberg, Mahler, Boulez) it tends to come off quite unconvincing. I think his book's gonna be a good one; I'm planning to drop $30 on the hardcover anyway.
Also Adorno was a D.I.C.K., there's no getting around it. Though he could write, unlike Virgil Thompson who's just useless as a critic and composer.
Downloading a lot of orchestral Feldman off eMusic lately and it's hitting many home runs for me. Previously I was only familiar with the cello/piano Patterns In A Chromatic Field. Reading about him you prepare yourself for something verging on the quiescent, almost boring, but really I find this stuff is full of event. I find I take to it instinctively the same way I do other orchestral sensualists such as Debussy, Sibelius, Delius, etc. Feldman gets the bear hug from me.
― Jon Lewis, Tuesday, 24 July 2007 16:48 (eighteen years ago)
I would really like to read Thompson one of these days. From listening to a few bits of his music I have a feeling he'd be entertaining on the page.
Don't really have a problem with Adorno's dickishness. Guys like Ross try to pretend they don't have an agenda, which is way worse.
But yeah I'll probably buy it, there are no accounts on 20th century music, and this Ross' bk will be a must, despite all my reservations.
Last week I went to a piano recital by Tim Parkinson, whose 'Cello piece' on ed.wandelweiser is terrific although I haven't spent nowhere near the amount of time on it. He played post-Feldman-ish works by Jurg Frey and Makiko Nishikaze but also mixed it with Chris Newman's sonata from 2001. I loved the leap from the contemplation of Frey to the furious abstraction of Newman (both had links, in terms of volume, as well as a lack of obvious virtuosity). A CD of his piano pieces will come out later this year (to be played by Michael Finnissy) on Mode.
― xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 24 July 2007 18:58 (eighteen years ago)
Love eMusic for those single composer binges. Probably gonna spend most of my summer grabbing Haydn string quartets. Those late ones (the last 15-20 I guess) are amazing - the guy invented the form, and within half a lifetime he's already shattered the boundaries of what it's supposed to be about. It's like reading Laurence Sterne.
― Tim R-J, Wednesday, 25 July 2007 08:31 (eighteen years ago)
"How much better it could've been if Sibelius ws used as a jumping off point to discuss Ferneyhough and Feldman. As I sense it their music has a hardness but its crucially crossed with a Sibelius like taste for the sensous that takes away from the hardness, making the surface more attractive."
That would have been awesome.
― Tim R-J, Wednesday, 25 July 2007 08:33 (eighteen years ago)
what's the deal with Ross' book? I hadn't heard about it.
― poortheatre, Wednesday, 25 July 2007 08:38 (eighteen years ago)
In his own words: http://www.therestisnoise.com/2004/05/what_is_this.html
― Tim R-J, Wednesday, 25 July 2007 09:13 (eighteen years ago)
Macbeth fucking ruled. That is all.
― Frogman Henry, Wednesday, 25 July 2007 10:22 (eighteen years ago)
oh. that book is going to be good.
― poortheatre, Wednesday, 25 July 2007 19:06 (eighteen years ago)
OK so Michael Gielen's Mahler 9 is really really fucking killer good. If you have eMusic go DL it NOW.
In truth I'm just finishing up the 2nd movement. He may fall off in the rondo-burleske. But I doubt it.
― Jon Lewis, Thursday, 26 July 2007 22:22 (eighteen years ago)
Just playing Finnissy's "Catana" - quite a triffic ensemble piece.
Music before bedtime - think I'll go with R Barrett's CD of solo works recently issued on NMC.
― xyzzzz__, Thursday, 26 July 2007 22:32 (eighteen years ago)
if anyone gives a shit, Marc-Andre Hamelin (piano) is performing tonight at the mostly Mozart festival at Lincoln center. Friday and Saturday you can see Christian Teztlaff (violin). i can't think of anyone else i'd rather see on either instrument (although maybe with different material). anyway, should be great!
― poortheatre, Wednesday, 8 August 2007 11:43 (eighteen years ago)
er, sorry for the 'tude. been awake all night writing paper. ughghghgghgblgbg
― poortheatre, Wednesday, 8 August 2007 11:45 (eighteen years ago)
BTW did you really end up listening straight through the whole Schubert Lieder box set? How is your brane?
― Jon Lewis, Wednesday, 8 August 2007 15:06 (eighteen years ago)
nein, i haven't had time yet. i'm moving next week and i'm trying to tie up everything here in nyc, so i'm kind of couch surfing/trying to make sure i don't fail my last class of undergrad ever.
it will be done, though. maybe i'll start a barnum-type thread à la andi's caper.
― poortheatre, Wednesday, 8 August 2007 15:12 (eighteen years ago)
What's MAH playing tonight?
― Jon Lewis, Wednesday, 8 August 2007 15:23 (eighteen years ago)
I heard that rendition of Mahler's 9th on the radio a bit earlier. It was a bit too film-soundtracky, I thought, a bit too obvious in many ways. I'm a classical novice, though, and it was only the first movement, so I'm probably very wrong. Is his 7th the one to get hold of?
― Just got offed, Wednesday, 8 August 2007 15:27 (eighteen years ago)
L0u1s I'd start with the 5th or 6th instead, but others will disagree w/me.
In fact I just DL'ed Gielen's M5 and it's also killer.
― Jon Lewis, Wednesday, 8 August 2007 15:30 (eighteen years ago)
BTW poortheatre, on my last trip to the lincoln ctr library I found the Zoltan Kocsis/Ivan Fischer set of Bartok piano concertos (plus other misc piano/orch works). I never was able to find a copy of this for less than a ton of money so I'm psyched, especially as on close listening these turn out to be THE performances to beat.
Will upload 'em sometime in the next few days.
― Jon Lewis, Wednesday, 8 August 2007 15:53 (eighteen years ago)
THE performances? whoa. i have come to bury geza anda, not to praise him.
― poortheatre, Wednesday, 8 August 2007 15:56 (eighteen years ago)
I might be overstating in the first flush of enthusiasm (it's only been a few days). I'm by no means gonna delete Anda from my pod. But I do think Kocsis/Fischer are at least as good as. There are numerous moments of hand-in-glove piano/orch interplay that I've never heard in these works before.
― Jon Lewis, Wednesday, 8 August 2007 16:01 (eighteen years ago)
was at the prom on mon, noseda doing beethoven 8 and schumann 3, and renee fleming doing berg and korngold. the schumann was a revelation. the mahler 10 last night was great too, and i wasn't looking forward to it. louis, mahler has certainly influenced film music. the first movement is probably what you got stuck on, eh? it's amazing, but takes a few listens to appreciate that. but yes you are very, very wrong about it being "obvious". only mahler could've developed those themes the way he did.
― Frogman Henry, Wednesday, 8 August 2007 16:03 (eighteen years ago)
Fuck, Schumann 2, not 3.
Schumann 3 is an immediate grabber. 2 took me much longer to appreciate.
― Jon Lewis, Wednesday, 8 August 2007 16:05 (eighteen years ago)
well that performance sold me right off. the 3rd movement! blimey, mahler must have been a fan of that ( i was thinkin of the andante from the 6th throughout).
― Frogman Henry, Wednesday, 8 August 2007 16:07 (eighteen years ago)
Tonight, Hamelin is playing Mozart's Sonata in C major, K.545, and Schumann's Fantasy in C major, Op. 17. It's at 10:30 at night in the Kaplan Penthouse at Lincoln Center, which is kind of like a classical cabaret, with candles on tables and complimentary wine. Pretty cool, casual place to hear chamber music with views of the city skyline. Plus the artist is right there in front of you.
― MC, Wednesday, 8 August 2007 16:07 (eighteen years ago)
Hmm, it's true, those are not pieces that would seem to play to MAH's strengths... (and I'm a diehard fan of the RSCH Fantasy)...
― Jon Lewis, Wednesday, 8 August 2007 16:11 (eighteen years ago)
K. 545? Is that the cliché Tarantella crap one that you hear for ads for classical radio? hrrmmm..
I'd still love to see the Schumann (although I think that's the lesser 'Wanderfantasie' haha)
― poortheatre, Wednesday, 8 August 2007 16:14 (eighteen years ago)
MAH needs his own thread. that guy can shred like no other.
― poortheatre, Wednesday, 8 August 2007 16:15 (eighteen years ago)
For me Schumann Fantasy > Schubert Fantasy.
I want MAH to play Godowsky's Java Suite (he's only done one piece) and some of De Severac's music.
― Jon Lewis, Wednesday, 8 August 2007 16:19 (eighteen years ago)
isn't this guy largely responsible for re-evaluations of, like: Alkan, Medtner, Kapustin, Godowsky, Catoire, etc. etc.
(I only have/love the Alkan)
― poortheatre, Wednesday, 8 August 2007 16:24 (eighteen years ago)
The guy is a repertoire fiend. I really want to hear his 2CD set of Haydn though, I must say. I guess Haydn piano sonatas are relatively obscure too compared to everyone else's.
― Jon Lewis, Wednesday, 8 August 2007 16:28 (eighteen years ago)
that wagner poll will be the last classical thread i start for a month.
― poortheatre, Wednesday, 8 August 2007 16:54 (eighteen years ago)
it's not new, but Midori's recital of French sonatas (Poulenc/Debussy/Saint-Saens) is playing right now and the Poulenc is just stunning
― J0hn D., Wednesday, 5 September 2007 15:15 (eighteen years ago)
I think I'd quite like Poulenc and that whole scene (based on hearing Milhaud's Scaramouche Suite for two pianos) of what I imagine to be very powerful French surface-y music that the likes of Boulez rallied against and yet it made, on reflection, its way through on some of his best work -- if only by osmosis.
"Crying Bird, Echoing Star" by James Wood (not the actor) is doing it right this sec.
― xyzzzz__, Friday, 7 September 2007 19:36 (eighteen years ago)
xyzzz Try Poulenc's songs. The ones I've heard are brilliant, and he had really sharp taste in the poetry he chose to set. All the chamber music I've heard of his has been great too (though I haven't heard the vln sonata).
The "transcendental surface" of eg Boulez seems much more Debussy-based to me though...
― Jon Lewis, Friday, 7 September 2007 19:42 (eighteen years ago)
did anyone hear the bruckner 8 by haitink at the proms? i was there, and particularly enjoyed the third movement. it was my first live bruckner.
― Frogman Henry, Friday, 7 September 2007 19:42 (eighteen years ago)
Yes I'd agree that its Debussy 1st. Just wondering aloud as to the impact of that particular strand of French musical life.
― xyzzzz__, Friday, 7 September 2007 19:53 (eighteen years ago)
Yeah hmmm. I feel like the first thing with Boulez is always the EXQUISITE and what I know of Poulenc and Milhaud did not really follow up on that aspect of the Debussy "inheritance".
But then it seems like not many did INSIDE france for awhile. The exquisite/arabesque became the terrain of francophile furrners like Szymanowski
― Jon Lewis, Friday, 7 September 2007 19:57 (eighteen years ago)
NP-- Walton Vln Cto, Ida Haendel with Berglund/Bournemouth SO.
J0hn do you know Haendel's playing? I think you would dig it. Her discography's not huge, but I can massively recommend her in the Sibelius cto, this Walton, and the Britten. Also have her doing the Elgar cto but have not listened to it yet. Her playing has serious GUTS.
Walton is a composer who's just clicked with me in the last couple of months. All I knew for a long time was Facade, which is great, but didn't entice me into his symphonic/concerted stuff. But finally listened seriously to his 1st symphony and goddamn all those British writers who are always calling it a masterpiece are 100% correct. Amazing work. Now I'm slowly feeling my way through his concerti, probably gonna also get the Naxos of his Henry V music.
― Jon Lewis, Friday, 7 September 2007 20:29 (eighteen years ago)
I have a copy of Poulenc's *Gloria* and I love love LOVE it. er, i can't remember what/who my recording is. It's pretty old. i have a nice vinyl copy of *La voix humaine* the opera he did with jean cocteau, but i never listen to it. i should play it again someday.
― scott seward, Friday, 7 September 2007 20:43 (eighteen years ago)
Before bedtime:
"Nobody's dig" by Finnissy -- the liner notes talk about how unsynchronised the parts for this string quartet are. The work seems to be made of these horizontal lines, peppered with these illogicalities. The very beginning is one of the great announcements, for me.
"Windows and Canopies" by James Dillon -- for an ensemble of 12 strings, a pair of flutes, pair of oboes and pair of horns, perc...the strings might suggest a Xenakian primitivism, maybe, but the windows open for a look in to multi-dimensional, intricate, play, only to shut again. All punctuated by brief silences.
Maybe I won't get much sleep now.
― xyzzzz__, Friday, 5 October 2007 22:04 (eighteen years ago)
Its "Nobody's Jig" blah I've misspelled that before.
― xyzzzz__, Friday, 5 October 2007 22:14 (eighteen years ago)
going to eno's monteverdi poppea in a few weeks.
― Frogman Henry, Saturday, 6 October 2007 08:10 (eighteen years ago)
Went to a Varese/Xenakis concert a week ago. I'd never listened to some of those Xenakis pieces before: Rebonds and Dmaathen (done on flute and percussion, with a lot of singing through the flute.) I loved them. I was surprised at how driving and 'grooving' the percussion pieces were! (I was also a bit surprised that I didn't like the Varese as much as I thought I would. I loved those pieces in undergrad.)
― Sundar, Sunday, 21 October 2007 23:42 (eighteen years ago)
15 years ago or so I used to slaver over Sony's 22-CD Stravinsky Edition, but never found it costworthy to buy... but now it's been released as ultrabudget thingy hurrah!
Zvezdoliki is a bit of a minor gem, I think.
― anatol_merklich, Saturday, 8 March 2008 18:18 (seventeen years ago)
What have the Ross readers been enjoying lately? (The bk has now had a few reviews on this side of the pond, should get round to a copy soon-ish, I hope).
This is a fantastic chamber piece by the way, just out on a new recording - http://www.divine-art.com/CD/28503info.htm
― xyzzzz__, Sunday, 9 March 2008 12:15 (seventeen years ago)
thanks to alex ross and his recommended listening I am mightily enjoying Olivier Messiaen's Turalinga Symphony + Quartet For The End of Time and my first opera! Benjamin Britten's Peter Grimes.
― m coleman, Sunday, 9 March 2008 12:21 (seventeen years ago)
Don't know any Britten actually (although the Britten foundation has funds by composers I like a lot).
"Quartet.." is an awesome piece!
― xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 11 March 2008 20:22 (seventeen years ago)
saw the Messiaen 'Discovery Day' at Carnegie on feb 24th. Boulez in person, being interviewed about his days studying under the man, followed by Michael Mizrahi & Elizabeth Joy Roe performing "Visions de l'Amen".
pretty great to see Boulez in casual conversation. charismatic, charming, still couldn't care less. made fun of Messiaen's use of birdsong ("completely subjective -- Beethoven's 6th use of birdsong of course was tonal, plainchant composers transcribe the same melodies as modal, but Messiaen... completely atonal! so you see how... arbitrary..." etc.). described a performance of "Et Expecto Resurrectionem Mortorum" saying "of course the audience has the right to hate it, to leave, and I have the right to continue smashing the tam-tam". that's my favorite extreme Messiaen piece and I sure did enjoy the image of people walking out on Boulez & his gong
I love "Visions de l'Amen", especially that beautiful ending, and I thought they nailed it
volume 3 of the Jürgen Hocker's new Nancarrow recordings on Scene MDG is out and it is fantastic. I'm not selling my Wergo set but out of the two it's probably the one I'd recommend to start with.
― Milton Parker, Tuesday, 11 March 2008 21:26 (seventeen years ago)
This flew under my radar, not that I really keep track of Philip Glass's output. Unexepectedly, I've been slowly getting to like the cello lately (this is a solo cello recording), just within the past few years.
http://www.amazon.com/Wendy-Sutter-Philip-Glass-Songs/dp/B0012X0SS8
― _Rockist__Scientist_, Sunday, 23 March 2008 01:12 (seventeen years ago)
haven't purchased anything in a while, but things that have been rocking me lately..
Verdi: Falstaff (cond. Karajan) Schubert: String Quartet No. 15 (Busch quartet) Faure: Nocturne No. 2 in B; Themes and Variations (Kathryn Stott) Beethoven: Piano Sonata No. 26 (Richard Goode) Beethoven: Quartet No. 9 Andante (Takacs) Vaughn Williams: String Quartet No. 2 (Maggini Quartet) Wolf: 'Erstes Grun' (Hans Hotter) Stravinsky: Petrouchka (Second Movement) (Pollini) Chopin: Prelude in A minor (Arrau) Sibelius: Symphony No. 5 (Barbirolli, Karajan)
that beethoven sonata no. 26 is some of the most o_0 shit he wrote! also, falstaff might be the best opera. it's the most fun one i've heard, at least. makes you want to play in an orchestra.
― poortheatre, Tuesday, 1 April 2008 23:25 (seventeen years ago)