The Smiths - best song, no Singles

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Best song by The Smiths excluding singles, which for the sake of this poll means the contents of the 'Singles' compilation, including 'There Is A Light...', which wasn't even a single by the compilation's own criteria, but hey, you can see why they'd want it on there and you can see why I'd leave it out.

Poll Results

OptionVotes
I Know It's Over 9
The Queen Is Dead (Take Me Back To Dear Old Blighty) 9
Please, Please, Please Let Me Get What I Want 8
Reel Around The Fountain 8
Cemetry Gates 7
Stop Me If You Think You've Heard This One Before 6
Half A Person 6
Rubber Ring 6
This Night Has Opened My Eyes 6
Is It Really So Strange? 5
Handsome Devil 5
Frankly Mr Shankly 5
Girl Afraid 4
Stretch Out And Wait 4
Still Ill 4
I Want The One I Can't Have 3
Death Of A Disco Dancer 3
You Just Haven't Earned It Yet, Baby3
Asleep 3
Rush And A Push And The Land Is Ours 2
Sweet And Tender Hooligan 2
Unloveable 2
What She Said 2
Paint A Vulgar Picture 2
Suffer Little Children 2
The Hand That Rocks The Cradle 2
The Headmaster Ritual 2
Barbarism Begins At Home 2
London 2
Some Girls Are Bigger Than Others 1
Rusholme Ruffians 1
Nowhere Fast 1
I Won't Share You 1
Well I Wonder 1
Work Is A Four-Letter Word 1
You've Got Everything Now 1
Accept Yourself 1
Back To The Old House 0
Unhappy Birthday 0
Wonderful Woman 0
Death At One's Elbow 0
These Things Take Time 0
The Draize Train 0
Never Had No One Ever 0
Miserable Lie 0
Oscillate Wildly 0
Meat Is Murder 0
Pretty Girls Make Graves 0
Jeane 0
I Keep Mine Hidden 0
I Don't Owe You Anything 0
Money Changes Everything 0
Golden Lights 0
Vicar In A Tutu 0


Roberto Spiralli, Tuesday, 12 June 2007 18:20 (eighteen years ago)

studio recorded and released, so no James and no Elvis.

Roberto Spiralli, Tuesday, 12 June 2007 18:22 (eighteen years ago)

"Half a Person", easily.

o. nate, Tuesday, 12 June 2007 18:47 (eighteen years ago)

"This Night Has Opened My Eyes", easily.

HI DERE, Tuesday, 12 June 2007 18:55 (eighteen years ago)

i voted "asleep". :(

andi, Tuesday, 12 June 2007 19:00 (eighteen years ago)

i'm surprised people are finding this so easy. i still haven't even decided myself.

Roberto Spiralli, Tuesday, 12 June 2007 19:02 (eighteen years ago)

"Stretch Out and Wait" has always been my favorite non-single Smiths choon. Great for mixtapes.

Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 12 June 2007 19:03 (eighteen years ago)

The correct answer, of course, is the one I'd most like to hear at work now, and that's "You Just Haven't Earned It, Baby."

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Tuesday, 12 June 2007 19:08 (eighteen years ago)

Please Please Please was not a single??

I ask this because I recall that it was included in SPIN's top 100 singles list from like 1989 or whenever it was.

billstevejim, Tuesday, 12 June 2007 19:12 (eighteen years ago)

^ b-side to 'William...', released in 1984. the 'Singles' comp used the singles released in the UK during the band's existence. a bunch of other songs were released as singles, some in other countries and some after the split.

Roberto Spiralli, Tuesday, 12 June 2007 19:21 (eighteen years ago)

"Reel Around the Fountain" got my vote.

Lostandfound, Tuesday, 12 June 2007 19:23 (eighteen years ago)

Handsome Devil, for the riff.

nate woolls, Tuesday, 12 June 2007 19:24 (eighteen years ago)

suffer little children

696, Tuesday, 12 June 2007 19:26 (eighteen years ago)

'Suffer Little Children' should've been a single instead of 'This Charming Man'. the clip off The Tube with all the flowers would've had a completely different resonance.

Roberto Spiralli, Tuesday, 12 June 2007 19:32 (eighteen years ago)

One more for Reel Around The Fountain

kornrulez6969, Tuesday, 12 June 2007 19:35 (eighteen years ago)

"Still Ill"

Euler, Tuesday, 12 June 2007 19:59 (eighteen years ago)

"Frankly Mr. Shankly"

2for25, Tuesday, 12 June 2007 20:03 (eighteen years ago)

Queen Is Dead - it's the biggest thing they ever recorded!

The Wayward Johnny B, Tuesday, 12 June 2007 20:06 (eighteen years ago)

Is It Really So Strange

Dom Passantino, Tuesday, 12 June 2007 20:18 (eighteen years ago)

"Girl Afraid." I love that layered guitar line.

Sundar, Tuesday, 12 June 2007 20:38 (eighteen years ago)

handsome devil, but this was hard as hell

M@tt He1ges0n, Tuesday, 12 June 2007 20:40 (eighteen years ago)

I'm a total sucka for Strangeways album tracks but here's how my formula would break down:

Cemetary Gates < Is It Really So Strange? < Barbarism Begins At Home < Rush And A Push And The Land Is Ours < The Headmaster Ritual < The Queen Is Dead < Stop Me If You Think You've Heard This One Before < Death Of A Disco Dancer (winner)

MC, Tuesday, 12 June 2007 20:48 (eighteen years ago)

Such a difficult decision. I'm almost tempted to throw in "Franky Mr. Shankly" and "Some Girls Are Bigger Than Others" for smirks. I guess it's between "Cemetery Gates" and "Still Ill," although there's also "The Queen Is Dead," "Asleep," "Please, Please, Please etc."

talrose, Tuesday, 12 June 2007 21:05 (eighteen years ago)

This is a great idea for a poll, but man...the competition is fierce. I'm trying to figure out how I can NOT vote for "Jeane" and still live with myself.

Bimble, Tuesday, 12 June 2007 21:21 (eighteen years ago)

I wish I could split my vote eighteen different ways, but since I can't I'm going with "This Night Has Opened My Eyes."

Curt1s Stephens, Tuesday, 12 June 2007 23:25 (eighteen years ago)

too hard.

pisces, Tuesday, 12 June 2007 23:38 (eighteen years ago)

christ. this is less tough than the unknown pleasures one, but tougher than the fall one.

my problem is that i've only recently allowed myself to admit how much i love the smiths (i had a very big problem with morrissey's general wankshaftishness throughout my twenties) so in some ways my view of their work is now totally skewed.

with that in mind, i'm going for "london" because a) it rocks, b) i find it pops into my head frequently, especially when i'm on a train, c) voting for "asleep" would be just too, too 16-year-old of me.

grimly fiendish, Tuesday, 12 June 2007 23:45 (eighteen years ago)

dan "hi dere agony tits" perry otm.

chaki, Tuesday, 12 June 2007 23:47 (eighteen years ago)

Had trouble deciding between "Nowhere Fast," "Jeane," and "Girl Afraid."

nabisco, Wednesday, 13 June 2007 00:56 (eighteen years ago)

Another for "Handsome Devil."

Pete Scholtes, Wednesday, 13 June 2007 01:38 (eighteen years ago)

I've always LOVED "Stretch Out & Wait", especially the one off "The World Won't Listen".

Tantrum The Cat, Wednesday, 13 June 2007 02:00 (eighteen years ago)

This Night Has Opened My Eyes", easily.

-- HI DERE, Tuesday, June 12, 2007 2:55 PM (7 hours ago)

DAN OTM.

Eisbaer, Wednesday, 13 June 2007 02:22 (eighteen years ago)

I was going to vote "Stop Me If You Think..." (which might truly be my favorite), but figured that was a tad boring, so went with "Hand That Rocks the Cradle". Also strong contenders for me in the list: "Asleep", "Please Please Please", "Well I Wonder", "What She Said", "Queen Is Dead", "Rusholme Ruffians"

Joe, Wednesday, 13 June 2007 02:32 (eighteen years ago)

'tad boring of a choice' (not the song itself) that is

Joe, Wednesday, 13 June 2007 02:33 (eighteen years ago)

"Please Please Please..." narrowly wins out over "Suffer Little Children".

jed_, Wednesday, 13 June 2007 03:19 (eighteen years ago)

"Stretch Out and Wait" here as well.

anatol_merklich, Wednesday, 13 June 2007 06:17 (eighteen years ago)

I don't really want to vote "Half A Person" even through I love that song to bits (mostly due to going to London at 16 and staying with women). "Cemetry Gates" might be too obvious. Oh, I think I'll vote for "Well I Wonder" because of the dramatic rain effects that borderline on a La Mozza hysterical weepage.

King Boy Pato, Wednesday, 13 June 2007 06:42 (eighteen years ago)

Oh crap, I half forgot how much I love "Stretch Out and Wait." Thinking through why I love those others:

- "Girl Afraid" is the high-point bonanza for Marr lovers -- his whole style showily condensed into one performance

- "Jeane" is a bit of a style exercise, really -- it seems like Morrissey getting his first clear chance to try and channel the kind of Cilla Black / Twinkle 60s stuff he loves so much -- but it comes out so well, and turns out to be one of the pair's best bits of "classic" songwriting: it's not the most covered of their songs, of course, but it has a kind of classic portability that keeps it sounding great (and always lyrically perfect) in so many people's hands. (I dig the Billy Bragg one best, I think)

- but I voted for "Nowhere Fast" because it seems like such a great, succint, pitch-perfect combination of everyone's strengths, and everything basically great about the Smiths

nabisco, Wednesday, 13 June 2007 07:09 (eighteen years ago)

(NB that's the slow Bragg b-side version of Jeane, not the punky Peel Session one)

nabisco, Wednesday, 13 June 2007 07:12 (eighteen years ago)

i went for queen is dead, but jeane was probably second choice

Robin G, Wednesday, 13 June 2007 08:06 (eighteen years ago)

Dan OTM OTM. Although I voted for You've Got Everything Now, that's probably my 2nd choice.

Colonel Poo, Wednesday, 13 June 2007 08:25 (eighteen years ago)

In the end: "Rusholme Ruffians".

After "London", "Girl Afraid" and "Back to the Old House".

DavidM, Wednesday, 13 June 2007 09:05 (eighteen years ago)

'I Know It's Over'

zeus, Wednesday, 13 June 2007 09:46 (eighteen years ago)

I voted for "Stop Me", its a Smiths song that sticks with me.

Trayce, Wednesday, 13 June 2007 09:50 (eighteen years ago)

Please, Please, Please Let Me Get What I Want

marmotwolof, Wednesday, 13 June 2007 10:27 (eighteen years ago)

You are sleeping. You do not want to believe. You are sleeping.

Groke, Wednesday, 13 June 2007 11:39 (eighteen years ago)

On first pass I could only discount about 5 songs! Finally whittled down to three - Rubber Ring, I Know It's Over and Jeane. This is too difficult, but I have to vote for I Know...

Ask me in an hour and I will have changed my mind.

Guilty_Boksen, Wednesday, 13 June 2007 11:59 (eighteen years ago)

from the comments so far i have no idea how this is going to go, which is awesome. i guessed 'Half A Person' might edge it going in, and i'd say that that is still the favourite, probably.

glad to see 'Stretch Out and Wait' getting some shout outs. maybe surprised at the lack of attention for 'Still Ill' and 'Barbarism...', which have always seemed to be fan favourites.

i think i am going to go for 'I Know It's Over', if only for the "and it never really began" admission, which i took glum satisfaction in reading in multiple different ways into my own life as i walked home alone of an evening listening on my enormous plastic walkman to a copy of TQID i made from the cassette i borrowed from the public library. it had 'More Songs About Buildings and Food' on the other side. it was a good tape.

Roberto Spiralli, Wednesday, 13 June 2007 13:03 (eighteen years ago)

oh shit I forgot about "Stop Me..." and "Please Please Please." Damn my gun-jumping.

Curt1s Stephens, Wednesday, 13 June 2007 13:11 (eighteen years ago)

Reel Around The Fountain, becuase it's been my nominated favourite Smiths track for almost 20 years, so it seems silly to change it now and I'm not even sure I even want to.

Alba, Wednesday, 13 June 2007 13:19 (eighteen years ago)

You know what?

In my life, I have left the north, and travelled south. And indeed, got confused.

Later, I left the south, and travelled north.

Even later on, I left the north again..

and so on.

Mark G, Wednesday, 13 June 2007 13:20 (eighteen years ago)

Stop me. If you've heard this one before.

SeekAltRoute, Wednesday, 13 June 2007 13:23 (eighteen years ago)

I had no idea Stop Me... was so popular. A "boring choice", even.

Alba, Wednesday, 13 June 2007 13:24 (eighteen years ago)

Or Jeane, which (unlike Stop Me...) is probably among my least favourite five Smiths tracks.

Alba, Wednesday, 13 June 2007 13:25 (eighteen years ago)

Stongest contender that hasn't been mentioned so far = The Headmaster Ritual.

Alba, Wednesday, 13 June 2007 13:43 (eighteen years ago)

S'gotta be "Girl Afraid" - one of the few Smiths songs that doesn't have a bunch of soundalike cousins.

christoff, Wednesday, 13 June 2007 14:31 (eighteen years ago)

You Just Haven't Earned It Yet Baby...for me.

Dr.C, Wednesday, 13 June 2007 14:47 (eighteen years ago)

What I like about this thread is that no one is saying to anyone else "WTF! How could you pick that one?!" Everyone has favorites, but it seems in the end that all Smiths material is at least listenable.

Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 13 June 2007 16:08 (eighteen years ago)

Well, "Reel Around the Fountain" almost forces me to pound my head on concrete, but that's fine.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Wednesday, 13 June 2007 16:10 (eighteen years ago)

well, no has said they are voting for meat is murder or barbarism begins at home or death at ones elbow or unhappy birthday or...

xp

acrobat, Wednesday, 13 June 2007 16:10 (eighteen years ago)

Oh, I didn't mean to get all peace and love about it. I just thought it was kind of an oddity as far as ILM threads go.

Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 13 June 2007 16:19 (eighteen years ago)

I could have voted for "Meat Is Murder"! Anyone who votes "Unhappy Birthday should get punched, though.

Tom is kind of OTM re: "Rubber Ring" but I stand by my choice.

HI DERE, Wednesday, 13 June 2007 16:35 (eighteen years ago)

For one of my first college composition assignments I wrote an essay in which I compared Patty Smyth and Don Henley's "Sometimes Love Ain't Enough" unfavorably to "Rubber Ring." A grisly, conservative tirade, for which I was duly rewarded by my ex-hippie teacher (who wanted songs to Say Something).

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Wednesday, 13 June 2007 16:38 (eighteen years ago)

"I want the one I can't have", since noone else has chosen it, and it has my favourite Marr hi-life style guitar playing on it.

Neil S, Wednesday, 13 June 2007 16:40 (eighteen years ago)

I had no idea Stop Me... was so popular. A "boring choice", even.

COME ON this is like my favorite song ever to sing along with while driving!

Curt1s Stephens, Wednesday, 13 June 2007 16:46 (eighteen years ago)

"Stop Me.." has a marvelous Marr solo!

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Wednesday, 13 June 2007 16:47 (eighteen years ago)

Hell yeah! (It's also what made me realize that "Tighten Up" by Electronic is basically "Stop Me..." through a New Order lens)

Curt1s Stephens, Wednesday, 13 June 2007 16:50 (eighteen years ago)

"What She Said," but it was a really rough decision. But that song screams.

kenan, Wednesday, 13 June 2007 16:51 (eighteen years ago)

"Who said I'd lied because I never? I never!"

brilliant

sorry, I'll get my coat, next time I pull a Bimble I'll go into the next room

Curt1s Stephens, Wednesday, 13 June 2007 16:51 (eighteen years ago)

but I'm not too sad about my choice because "This Night" is still a gorgeous song

Curt1s Stephens, Wednesday, 13 June 2007 16:52 (eighteen years ago)

Oh, I like/love Stop Me... - I just don't think I've seen it figure that highly in polls of favourite Smiths songs before so was surprised to see someone say they'd avoided picking it because it was too obvious a choice, is all.

Alba, Wednesday, 13 June 2007 17:03 (eighteen years ago)

It's also what made me realize that "Tighten Up" by Electronic is basically "Stop Me..." through a New Order lens)

THE SOUND OF MY MIND BLOWING.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Wednesday, 13 June 2007 17:04 (eighteen years ago)

What she said.

I may have mentioned this on here (stop me uh oh ooh stop me) but its very easy to overlook how astonishing the momentum of that one turns it from a mid level part of the smiths songbook into something really special. Moz starts each line of the lyric just a beat before the tune so you get this compulsive toppling over effect of something spinning out of control and being helpless to stop it. Its the song I recall most vividly from the Glasgow barras gig from the queen is dead tour. It slayed the audience.

A lot of great Smiths tunes have moods that don't match the lyrics (Some girls) or even contrast the squalor and pain in the words with perky sparkling tunes (miserable lie) but what she said musically matches the confusion with life's random indignities and the desire for it to stop.

Sandy Blair, Wednesday, 13 June 2007 17:06 (eighteen years ago)

What She Said was one of those songs I always wish I'd had a chance to hear live. I Want The One I Can't Have too.

Alba, Wednesday, 13 June 2007 17:11 (eighteen years ago)

xpost you forgot to say "guitars"

kenan, Wednesday, 13 June 2007 17:12 (eighteen years ago)

Alfred how dare you make fun of my retarded posts, they are supposed to pass by unnoticed

Curt1s Stephens, Wednesday, 13 June 2007 17:20 (eighteen years ago)

No, dude! I agree! It had never occured to me!

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Wednesday, 13 June 2007 17:25 (eighteen years ago)

haha okay :)

Curt1s Stephens, Wednesday, 13 June 2007 17:28 (eighteen years ago)

hooligan, cos i doubt anyone else will show him love...

whatever, Wednesday, 13 June 2007 20:49 (eighteen years ago)

What's The World is missing!

Alba, Wednesday, 13 June 2007 20:55 (eighteen years ago)

studio recorded and released, so no James and no Elvis.

-- Roberto Spiralli, Tuesday, June 12, 2007 6:22 PM (Yesterday)

Roberto Spiralli, Wednesday, 13 June 2007 20:58 (eighteen years ago)

It was a three-way race between Back to The Old House, I Know It's Over and This Night Has Opened My Eyes, but in the end This Night triumphed.

righteousmaelstrom, Wednesday, 13 June 2007 20:59 (eighteen years ago)

w/out thinking much, Cemetry Gates

Dr Morbius, Wednesday, 13 June 2007 21:06 (eighteen years ago)

well, no has said they are voting for meat is murder or barbarism begins at home or death at ones elbow or unhappy birthday or...

Is 'Barbarism Begins At Home' thought of as shite? I like it, especially the bass at the end. 'Unhappy Birthday' is alright, too. The other two are unlistenable.

I'm amazed at the total lack of consensus on this thread. It seems like just about everything is liked by someone. A lot of the tracks mentioned so far wouldn't even make it into my top 20 (if I had one).

I'm currently torn between Death of a Disco Dancer and Still Ill (the version on Hatful of Hollow).

Nasty, Brutish & Short, Wednesday, 13 June 2007 21:12 (eighteen years ago)

'Barbarism...' is a great song, particularly because of the awesome bassline, well-liked enough to be released as a single by Rough Trade after the band split. it's always been my understanding that it's a fan favourite.

Roberto Spiralli, Wednesday, 13 June 2007 21:21 (eighteen years ago)

I am leaning towards "Paint A Vulgar Picture". It's such a great parting shot. It's the Morrissey of 1982 peaking in at the Morrisey of 1987 a love song to his own myth and a realization of what he had given up, what of himself he had lost: "You could have said NO if you'd wanted to". and that gut punch of unrequited (self) love that he can never, ever escape. then we're back, back in that bedroom, that bedroom where The Smiths meant it all. And Marr just flows, it feels like a 3 minute pop song but it swirls and eddys round our hero, the little solo rising up with that ecstatic melancholy that made them The Smiths. Let's forget "Death at One's Elbow" and then it's a run of rueful farewell "I Won't Share You" and final sashay into his own myth "I Keep Mine Hidden".

acrobat, Wednesday, 13 June 2007 21:29 (eighteen years ago)

Please, please, please let me get "Please, Please, Please Let Me Get What I Want" this time.

Kevin John Bozelka, Wednesday, 13 June 2007 21:49 (eighteen years ago)

Good god, I really need to read the polls more thoroughly, so as not to completely forget the song I always previously claimed was my favorite: "Paint a Vulgar Picture" on some money definitely!

nabisco, Wednesday, 13 June 2007 21:50 (eighteen years ago)

Yeah I picked "Stop me" because of the guitar in it. I also quite like the video - thats the one with all the moz fans riding the pushbikes innit?

Trayce, Wednesday, 13 June 2007 21:52 (eighteen years ago)

death of a disco dancer.

funny farm, Wednesday, 13 June 2007 22:03 (eighteen years ago)

well-liked enough to be released as a single by Rough Trade after the band split.

You mean as a CD single? I think that was just because they were slipping out everything as a CD for the first time and Barbarism had been a 1985 single in couple of mainland European countries. There wasn't a clamour for its release on account of it being a particularly well-liked song or anything like that.

Alba, Wednesday, 13 June 2007 22:08 (eighteen years ago)

The pushbikes video was shot for I Started Something I Couldn't Finish, really, but I think when they released Stop Me... as a single in the US they just reused it. Didn't really fit very well, as I recall.

Alba, Wednesday, 13 June 2007 22:11 (eighteen years ago)

oh really! I figured it was sort of a visual analogue, like "you've seen this Moz before"

Curt1s Stephens, Thursday, 14 June 2007 00:51 (eighteen years ago)

a toss-up btw The Queen Is Dead + Cemetry Gates, voted the latter

stephen, Thursday, 14 June 2007 00:53 (eighteen years ago)

The pushbikes video was shot for I Started Something I Couldn't Finish, really, but I think when they released Stop Me... as a single in the US they just reused it.

Woah really? I dont ever recall seeing it used for "I started something" on TV or anything.

Trayce, Thursday, 14 June 2007 00:54 (eighteen years ago)

I do.

Mark G, Thursday, 14 June 2007 01:02 (eighteen years ago)

Tough choice, but I'll go ahead and give "Asleep" my vote. It was actually the first Smiths track I ever heard, and a pretty misleading one at that.

Z S, Thursday, 14 June 2007 02:29 (eighteen years ago)

"I won't share you" - Strangeways has always been my favourite Smiths album. That said, I sort of wish I could go back and change it to Reel Around The Fountain.

hobart paving, Thursday, 14 June 2007 22:35 (eighteen years ago)

Ha, so you like their first and last album tracks?

nabisco, Thursday, 14 June 2007 22:51 (eighteen years ago)

An embarrassment of riches. What a band!

bidfurd, Thursday, 14 June 2007 23:17 (eighteen years ago)

I'm amazed at the total lack of consensus on this thread. It seems like just about everything is liked by someone. A lot of the tracks mentioned so far wouldn't even make it into my top 20 (if I had one).

I'm currently torn between Death of a Disco Dancer and Still Ill (the version on Hatful of Hollow).

-- Nasty, Brutish & Short, Wednesday, June 13, 2007 9:12 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Link

i'm not amazed at all, especially since the two you were torn between are probably among my 5 or so least favourite Smiths songs.

jed_, Thursday, 14 June 2007 23:31 (eighteen years ago)

Okay, wait a minute. I remember a video for Stop Me that had bikes in it, especially a kickstand scene for some reason. Stop Me is a good example of a song I've gotten kindof tired of after a certain number of plays. I do think there are a lot of songs by the Smiths I feel that way about (there must be a reason why I never feel the urge to play them now) but I don't think that diminishes the incredible talent involved in putting them together in the first place and how much they meant to me as a teenager.

I'm going to pick Rubber Ring, simply because of the surprising sentiment of the song...that in the midst of all this teenage misery and angst and at the height of their fame he even dared to look that far ahead, and indeed seemed to tell the future of his own career was extraordinary.

Bimble, Friday, 15 June 2007 05:40 (eighteen years ago)

OTM

Rubber Ring for me as well.

circa1916, Friday, 15 June 2007 05:45 (eighteen years ago)

"Queen is Dead", but "Rush and a Push" and "Stop Me" (one of my fav videos ever) and "Headmaster Ritual" all really close. Why HR wasn't a single, with that riff, I dunno. This has made me notice how wonderfully arranged the "Strangeways" stuff is actually. You can hear it a little in some of "Queen is Dead" (lp), but yeah... as Mark E Smith once said, "such a shame the Smiths broke up, just as they were getting good". Too harsh but there's a bit of truth to it. It's my fav album of theirs overall.

President Evil, Friday, 15 June 2007 06:29 (eighteen years ago)

Okay, wait a minute. I remember a video for Stop Me that had bikes in it

Yes, that's what I'm saying - the video got used for both songs.

Alba, Friday, 15 June 2007 07:47 (eighteen years ago)

Why HR wasn't a single, with that riff, I dunno.

ya rly

Curt1s Stephens, Friday, 15 June 2007 15:08 (eighteen years ago)

Yeah I picked "Still Ill" but "A Rush and a Push" is really close for me. The start of the song is a...rush! with the kind of phased-in ghost chant into the electric piano riff; and then the rest of the percussion comes in and it's another rush.

Euler, Friday, 15 June 2007 18:39 (eighteen years ago)

I still can't believe that people think The Smiths were just getting good with Strangeways.

HI DERE, Friday, 15 June 2007 18:48 (eighteen years ago)

yeah Strangeways has some GREBT songs on it but the not-grebt songs on it really drag it down

Curt1s Stephens, Friday, 15 June 2007 18:50 (eighteen years ago)

OTM OTM OTM OTM OTM

HI DERE, Friday, 15 June 2007 18:51 (eighteen years ago)

That's right but I get the impression that there's little consensus on what's not great on it. E.g. I think "I Started Something I Couldn't Finish", "Last Night...", and "Paint a Vulgar Picture" are duds, but I remember reading drooling praise of the last two for sure. I never got that.

On the other hand I LOVE LOVE LOVE "Unhappy Birthday". When it came out there were rumors that Morrissey and Stipe were walking hand in hand through Athens with frequency: so we heard the "to the one you left behind" in "Unhappy Birthday" as a response to "The One I Love", and it was our little secret. Ah HS.

Euler, Friday, 15 June 2007 20:26 (eighteen years ago)

The problem with that is that recording a song that sucks ferocious ass in response to a song that is great is not really a smart thing to do (see, for example, Eminem's mom's diss song).

HI DERE, Friday, 15 June 2007 21:01 (eighteen years ago)

But what sucks ferocious ass about it?

Euler, Friday, 15 June 2007 21:14 (eighteen years ago)

In short: everything.

- The melody line is one of Morrissey's least inspiring.
- The lyrics are completely cringeworthy drivel that anyone over the age of 14 should be embarrassed about writing.
- The music is offensively bland and forgettable.

The entire song comes across as a mean parody of a Smiths song rather than an actual Smiths song.

HI DERE, Friday, 15 June 2007 21:18 (eighteen years ago)

Unhappy Birthday isn't that bad. I like it more than the REM song.

Curt1s Stephens, Friday, 15 June 2007 21:26 (eighteen years ago)

Strangeways was still a nearly perfect album in Smiths tradition (my only complaint is the length of "Last Night I Dreamt..." but it took me years to admit to myself that was daft!) but all the same it seems evident now that some wearing and tearing was occurring by this time. If they'd done one more album they would have really embarassed themselves, I think.

Roberto Spiralli had said upthread:

glad to see 'Stretch Out and Wait' getting some shout outs. maybe surprised at the lack of attention for 'Still Ill' and 'Barbarism...', which have always seemed to be fan favourites.

Barbarism a widespread fan favourite? I find that really surprising. It certainly was not a track that stood out on Meat As Murder at all at the time and it was only in much later years that I began to see its true worth. Andy Rourke really p0wns that one like no other Smiths song, delicious bass line.

Bimble, Saturday, 16 June 2007 10:43 (eighteen years ago)

when they played 'Barbarism...' live it would often last 15+ minutes, and on at least two occasions in the 1984 tour they played it once in the main show and once again in the encore. this may be where i got the idea that it was a fan favourite. then again, maybe it was just the kids at my school.

Roberto Spiralli, Saturday, 16 June 2007 13:48 (eighteen years ago)

Yeah on "Unhappy Birthday" I can see thinking the lyrics are silly. I always took them as tongue-in-cheek, like Morrissey's morbid lyrics generally ("Asleep" for instance). So that doesn't bother me. And I find the melody totally memorable---it's one I find myself singing most often of all the Smiths' songs. So I guess I can understand the hate but I don't feel it.

Euler, Saturday, 16 June 2007 14:00 (eighteen years ago)

Some Girls Are Bigger Than Others. I think of it as a perfect encapsulation of everything about the Smiths and elegantly so for its simplicity. Also, the riff is great because it's so back-handed with its catchiness.

Bill in Chicago, Saturday, 16 June 2007 17:29 (eighteen years ago)

'Girl Afraid' beats 'This Night...' by a nose.

Michael White, Saturday, 16 June 2007 18:17 (eighteen years ago)

Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.

ILX System, Saturday, 16 June 2007 23:01 (eighteen years ago)

Giurl Afraid is terrific - the guitar lines are just so...kinetic. But in the end I had to go for Reel Around the Fountain. Perhaps the perfect Smiths song. It has space and room, wonderful production, good lyrics, and a great understated melody.

paulhw, Sunday, 17 June 2007 03:01 (eighteen years ago)

Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.

ILX System, Sunday, 17 June 2007 23:01 (eighteen years ago)

Frankly Mr Shankly gets *5* ??

have a word with yourselves.

pisces, Sunday, 17 June 2007 23:08 (eighteen years ago)

would be an interesting experiment to put those 0 vote songs on a CD-R for someone who'd never heard the Smiths before and see what they said

marmotwolof, Sunday, 17 June 2007 23:12 (eighteen years ago)

pretty low showing for Headmaster... too but HATS OFF for all the
Cemetry Gates votes.

by the way as there is so much Half A Person love doing the rounds, it may please the voters of same to know that the (unreleased on record) BBC session version (without craig gannon) is considered among the hardcore to be way better. certainly it's brighter and tighter. i'm sure many of you know about it already but hey.

(it was on s0uls££k last time i looked)

pisces, Sunday, 17 June 2007 23:15 (eighteen years ago)

over 130 votes and nothing breaks into double figures, which says a lot i guess. craziness happens at the 5-vote mark, with three songs that seem much too high up; above that, the picks are pretty much as i'd have expected, with the order maybe a little surprising, but pleasingly so.

you know who were a kinda awesome band? The Smiths.

Roberto Spiralli, Monday, 18 June 2007 00:49 (eighteen years ago)

I don't know what to say. These results are so wrong.

"I Know It's Over" should have been left in the scrapheap of teenagerism. I'm disappointed in ILM.

Bimble, Monday, 18 June 2007 01:21 (eighteen years ago)

NO VOTES FOR JEAN! No love for Money Changes EVERYTHING!

Bimble, Monday, 18 June 2007 01:21 (eighteen years ago)

What scrapheap of teenagerism? Is there a weekly collection?

I think the list is great. Suffer Little Children only getting two votes (the same as sodding Unloveable) is my only major gripe.

Alba, Monday, 18 June 2007 05:48 (eighteen years ago)

I like the list, though 'These Things Take Time' and 'Unhappy Birthday" should have received at least one vote.

zeus, Monday, 18 June 2007 10:42 (eighteen years ago)

STOP ME OH HO HO STOP ME STOP ME IF YOU THINK THAT YOU'VE HEARD THIS ONE BEFORE

pure ear bliss

Charlie Howard, Monday, 18 June 2007 10:44 (eighteen years ago)

yeah these results are good - a agree w/ Alba re: "suffer little children" although i didn't vote for it either so i can't complain.

jed_, Monday, 18 June 2007 11:57 (eighteen years ago)

one year passes...

i just decided i change my vote to Rubber Ring. came on random and kept it on repeat for a few plays. superb.

Roberto Spiralli, Friday, 29 August 2008 03:12 (seventeen years ago)

can't remember if i voted in this, but this night has opened my eyes is the one for me. even the recording of it has a fantastic creepy atmosphere that for me only the s/t version of 'reel' comes close to matching..

electricsound, Friday, 29 August 2008 03:18 (seventeen years ago)

x-post

That's a good choice. Has anyone ever told you that you have very good taste in music?

ps - I love you.

pps - Sorry but I had to.

ENBB, Friday, 29 August 2008 03:19 (seventeen years ago)

someone needs to do this poll but with the Cure.

Bee OK, Friday, 29 August 2008 03:23 (seventeen years ago)

that's a helluva a lot of songs tho. Smtihs is easy cos they have quite a limited body of work. if you wanted to do the Cure you'd probabaly have to break it down into seperate polls for different periods and then make the winners face off like Nic Cage and John Travolta.

someone with only a few albums would definitely be simpler tho, like Joy Division.

Roberto Spiralli, Friday, 29 August 2008 10:56 (seventeen years ago)

Their singles aren't on their albums, Joy Division I mean.

Mark G, Friday, 29 August 2008 10:58 (seventeen years ago)

the point is to exclude the more obvious choices to make the poll more interesting, so it doesn't matter if their singles aren't on their albums.

Roberto Spiralli, Friday, 29 August 2008 11:06 (seventeen years ago)

I was the only sod to vote for Rusholme Ruffians then? Bloody hell.

DavidM, Friday, 29 August 2008 15:50 (seventeen years ago)

Stop Me sucks!

DavidM, Friday, 29 August 2008 15:51 (seventeen years ago)

whats the best of the songs that got zero votes?

i think its these things take time in a walk

deeznuts, Friday, 29 August 2008 17:47 (seventeen years ago)

i guess i could just poll that

deeznuts, Friday, 29 August 2008 17:48 (seventeen years ago)

Big polls have smaller polls upon their backs to bite 'em...

ledge, Friday, 29 August 2008 17:50 (seventeen years ago)

that's actually pretty tough. i guess maybe Wonderful Woman or Never Had No One Ever, but ther's a bunch it would be difficult to seperate.

i'm staaaaaaarved ohhf mirth, let's go and trip a dwarf

Roberto Spiralli, Friday, 29 August 2008 17:55 (seventeen years ago)

one month passes...

I DON'T OWE YOU ANYTHING

The More You Live The Faster You Will Die (Bimble Is Still More Goth Than You), Saturday, 4 October 2008 15:07 (seventeen years ago)

Do you know I heard a rap song that sampled the first guitar part of "This Charming Man" on this airplane I was on today...it was in someone's headphones. It tortured me to hear the first part of Marr's guitar line over and over and over against my will and without being able to hear the SECOND part and then some asshole rapped over it. Disgusting. What a way to sample a song and ruin the whole fucking thing.

The More You Live The Faster You Will Die (Bimble Is Still More Goth Than You), Saturday, 4 October 2008 15:12 (seventeen years ago)

Guys, "Unhappy Birthday" is beyond classic. I hate you all.

ilxor, Saturday, 4 October 2008 16:03 (seventeen years ago)

What an incredible canon, so many good songs no matter how you group them. I'm surprised Morrissey's favorite (the flawless "Well I Wonder") only got one vote.

Vision, Saturday, 4 October 2008 17:05 (seventeen years ago)

I'm glad I'm not the only one who loves I Know It's Over. All my other Smiths-fan friends detest it for some bizarre reason.

rjberry, Saturday, 4 October 2008 17:51 (seventeen years ago)

awww no, I love "I Know It's Over".

The More You Live The Faster You Will Die (Bimble Is Still More Goth Than You), Saturday, 4 October 2008 19:05 (seventeen years ago)

I've got a magnificent, crackly cover of 'I Know It's Over' by Jeff Buckley, which I love even if sometimes I can barely listen to it. I'm sure I read that 'The Boy With The Thorn In His Side' was Morrissey's favourite - it's probably my least-favourite Smiths song. 'Well I Wonder' is a much better choice.

Ismael Klata, Saturday, 4 October 2008 19:36 (seventeen years ago)

What would I vote for? It's written all over my face.

Dr X O'Skeleton, Saturday, 4 October 2008 19:48 (seventeen years ago)

I recall both Morrissey and Johnny Marr singling out "Well I Wonder" somewhere, but there are lots of different info on that on the web. Some say Morrissey's favourites are "I Keep Mine Hidden" and "Shoplifters Of The World Unite" (I recall Moz mentioning that one as well); others say it's "Last Night I Dreamed That Somebody Loved Me" and so on.

Vision, Saturday, 4 October 2008 20:10 (seventeen years ago)

Oh "I Keep Mine Hidden" has a special place in my heart. But "Well I Wonder" would be an interesting thing for them to single out as well.

The More You Live The Faster You Will Die (Bimble Is Still More Goth Than You), Saturday, 4 October 2008 20:40 (seventeen years ago)

'I Keep Mine Hidden' was one of only two songs that failed to get a vote in the follow-up to the present thread (which I think makes it the joint least-popular Smiths song ever) so it's safe to say that neither Morrissey nor Marr are regulars round here. I don't think I've ever heard it, actually

Ismael Klata, Saturday, 4 October 2008 21:21 (seventeen years ago)

Oh fuck you, every Smiths fan should hear their entire oeuvre.

The More You Live The Faster You Will Die (Bimble Is Still More Goth Than You), Saturday, 4 October 2008 22:19 (seventeen years ago)

The Scrapheap of Teenagerism would be a great title for that 0-vote CDR.

staggerlee, Sunday, 5 October 2008 15:35 (seventeen years ago)

LOL you can say that again.

The More You Live The Faster You Will Die (Bimble Is Still More Goth Than You), Sunday, 5 October 2008 16:07 (seventeen years ago)

i missed this, but for me it would've been a toss up between "suffer little children", "this night has opened my eyes", and "i don't owe you anything". but since nobody voted for it, i choose "i don't owe you anything". such a beautiful perfectly formed little song (this is also mike joyce's favourite smiths' song)

rio (r1o natsume), Sunday, 5 October 2008 17:09 (seventeen years ago)

I'm stung enough by that xp to fill in the gaps in my Smiths experience/memory:

* 'I Keep Mine Hidden' - slight, if inoffensive enough. They had a weak period around Sheila Take A Bow and Shoplifters, I see it fitting in there. I don't like the pace of it, I think - they just don't sound committed.
* 'Oscillate Wildly' - really excellent, it feels entirely complete as it is, as if designed as an instrumental from the start. Nice range of instruments too.
* 'Money Changes Everything' - my least-favourite of the instrumentals (I'm working from a live recording here, but it sounds quite strong). I do like it though. I think I prefer what Bryan Ferry did with it, if that's not some kind of sacrilege.
* 'Wonderful Woman' - outstanding. It's got that menacing feel to it (bitchy, camp, 'Handsome Devil' Morrissey), and the unusual structure of the first album. It would have fitted well on there. I'm listening to it on tinny speakers, but it sounds much sharper than the first album too. The songwriting's quite impressive in an odd way - it often sounds like it's about to be let meander, before being dragged back (e.g. the last couple of bars before the 'chorus'). No messing about at the start either. It sounds like a band not quite having found their feet, but really making an effort to do things properly.
* 'Work Is A Four-Letter Word' - pleasant enough performance, but obviously throwaway. Morrissey sounds like he's really straining, as if it's in entirely the wrong key for him. Those backing vocals are kind of ominous. I'm presuming it's a cover (unless it's a really early effort) - it really shows up how strong their own songwriting was.
* 'Golden Lights' - puzzling - I'd guess that if Strangeways had been stretched to a double album, it would've been full of stuff like this. I've always sensed with Unhappy Birthday or Girlfriend in a Coma that they were close to running on empty, but this is beyond that. I'd really rather it didn't exist.

Ismael Klata, Sunday, 5 October 2008 18:57 (seventeen years ago)

The lack of love for Back To The Old House is beyond me.

Turangalila, Sunday, 5 October 2008 20:31 (seventeen years ago)

* 'Golden Lights' - puzzling - I'd guess that if Strangeways had been stretched to a double album, it would've been full of stuff like this

oh, i would have fucking loved that.

right, we all start when the drum machine starts, lads (grimly fiendish), Sunday, 5 October 2008 21:26 (seventeen years ago)

Oh, I missed one:

* 'Stretch Out and Wait' - really nice. iirc, Morrissey's rallying cry to fans in their early days was something to do with it being time for 'cultivation of the body, not the mind' - possibly the most misunderstood agenda in music, if true. Appropriately, this tune's quite a slippery creature - the weird, circular structure and unexpected key change reminds me a bit of something like 'Sexy Sadie', but much more likeable. Nice backing vocals too (I'm actually not sure whether I'm imagining them or not)

Ismael Klata, Monday, 6 October 2008 15:11 (seventeen years ago)

Nice, Ismael! I should probably go back and hear a couple of these again, myself. I can't remember what Golden Lights even sounds like now! Must not have been that outstanding...

Bimble, Monday, 6 October 2008 19:13 (seventeen years ago)

OSCILLATE WILDLY!! Woah...piano turns me to mush, sorry.

Also, I didn't realize "Golden Lights" had bloody Kirsty MacColl on it. Hell, I don't think I even knew who she was in those days...quite nice, if unmemorable.

Polka-Dotted Bullshit (Bimble Is Still More Goth Than You), Friday, 10 October 2008 08:27 (seventeen years ago)

nine years pass...

Sorry, but Reel Around the Fountain is gross.

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 4 January 2018 02:24 (seven years ago)

one of my least favorite smiths songs as well.

"girl afraid" would have been my pick for this poll. it's one of their most efficient songs. it all fits together like really nice furniture.

Karl Malone, Thursday, 4 January 2018 03:45 (seven years ago)

One of my favorite Smiths songs ever. I guess I like misery and pedophilia.

Josefa, Thursday, 4 January 2018 06:24 (seven years ago)


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