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1994 M People - Elegant Slumming 25
1998 Gomez - Bring It On 15
2006 Arctic Monkeys - Whatever People Say I Am, That's What I'm Not 7
2005 Antony and the Johnsons - I Am A Bird Now 7
2002 Ms. Dynamite - A Little Deeper 5
2004 Franz Ferdinand - Franz Ferdinand 4
2000 Badly Drawn Boy - The Hour Of Bewilderbeast 4
1999 Talvin Singh - OK 3
2001 PJ Harvey - Songs From The City, Stories From The Sea 3
2003 Dizzee Rascal - Boy In Da Corner 3
1992 Primal Scream - Screamadelica3
1993 Suede - Suede 2
1997 Roni Size/Reprazent - New Forms 1
1996 Pulp - Different Class 0
1995 Portishead - Dummy 0


acrobat, Monday, 18 June 2007 10:28 (eighteen years ago)

M People.

Dom Passantino, Monday, 18 June 2007 10:29 (eighteen years ago)

Albums on this list, irregardless of quality, that haven't aged really really badly:

1993 Suede - Suede
2001 PJ Harvey - Songs From The City, Stories From The Sea
And the most recent four.

Dom Passantino, Monday, 18 June 2007 10:30 (eighteen years ago)

'I Am The Bird Now' is probably the one i'd least enjoy listening to.

blueski, Monday, 18 June 2007 10:31 (eighteen years ago)

Talvin Singh's probably is the worst on here, but voting for it is a bit like pushing a guy in a wheelchair down the stairs.

Dom Passantino, Monday, 18 June 2007 10:32 (eighteen years ago)

'OK' is OK, should've been entirely instrumental tho perhaps.

blueski, Monday, 18 June 2007 10:33 (eighteen years ago)

I Am A Bird Now is one of the one's I'd MOST enjoy listening to now!

Scik Mouthy, Monday, 18 June 2007 10:33 (eighteen years ago)

Suede were really quite good before they became awful.

Dom Passantino, Monday, 18 June 2007 10:34 (eighteen years ago)

Gomez, by a longer and longer stretch the more I think about it

DJ Mencap, Monday, 18 June 2007 10:35 (eighteen years ago)

hang on yeah there is NO DOUBT it's gomez!!!

lex pretend, Monday, 18 June 2007 10:35 (eighteen years ago)

despite the fact that a few records on that list aren't particularly good, m people stands out like a sore thumb

Charlie Howard, Monday, 18 June 2007 10:36 (eighteen years ago)

Would rather hear Gomez than Heather Small, throat singer extraordinaire.

ledge, Monday, 18 June 2007 10:36 (eighteen years ago)

I has to vote Gomez just for "Whippin Piccalili" even tho some of the other tracks on that album are not objectionable. Still, it's the principle that counts. A Little Deeper's only got about 3 good songs on it, but wins out by virtue of Not Being Gomez. The Talvin Singh is uniformly pleasant, so trumps both.

The M People is chockah with great singles fuck off if you hate adult fun.

Noodle Vague, Monday, 18 June 2007 10:36 (eighteen years ago)

dizzee still amazing, still listen to it on the regular. portishead probably still amazing but haven't dug it out in an age. pj harvey v good but when i want to listen to pj these days, it's never this album. ms dynamite - the singles are still brilliant. m people too.

the rest can fuck off really.

lex pretend, Monday, 18 June 2007 10:37 (eighteen years ago)

I predict a certain teenage rapscallion is going to be along in a minute to add CONTENT to this thread.

Dom Passantino, Monday, 18 June 2007 10:37 (eighteen years ago)

MALCONTENT

Noodle Vague, Monday, 18 June 2007 10:38 (eighteen years ago)

Who were the Gomez fans, anyways? The NME and Melody Maker held them in the same contempt as Shed Seven, they'd have been a bit outre for Q, I can't remember them tearing up the Evening Session or Peel... who was actually "enjoying" their unique bland of indie-blues mediocrity?

Dom Passantino, Monday, 18 June 2007 10:39 (eighteen years ago)

Dude from Gomez is on "Last Stop: This Town" by Eels, which is probably a better song than anything on any of these albums.

Dom Passantino, Monday, 18 June 2007 10:39 (eighteen years ago)

Except maybe that Roni Size song about paper.

Dom Passantino, Monday, 18 June 2007 10:39 (eighteen years ago)

I haven't heard the Talvin Singh album, but I can't imagine it wouldn't be bad.

zeus, Monday, 18 June 2007 10:40 (eighteen years ago)

i'd still rather listen to those nerdy hacks in gomez than the likes of 'moving on up'

Charlie Howard, Monday, 18 June 2007 10:41 (eighteen years ago)

Also Elegant Slumming is great just for all the corny indie fuxxors who had apopleptic fits whining to me about it winning.

Noodle Vague, Monday, 18 June 2007 10:41 (eighteen years ago)

who will win it this year? due a curveball winner but don't know of anything that fits that bill really. surely not Patrick Wolf...

blueski, Monday, 18 June 2007 10:42 (eighteen years ago)

Also Elegant Slumming is great just for all the corny indie fuxxors who had apopleptic fits whining to me about it winning.

You are Hannah Pool and I claim my five pounds.

Dom Passantino, Monday, 18 June 2007 10:42 (eighteen years ago)

Luckily I've never heard Gomez, so that I can vote BDBoy.

anatol_merklich, Monday, 18 June 2007 10:43 (eighteen years ago)

A friend's brother was in G0mez and she asked me the week before the Mercury if I thought they'd win, cos I'd won plenty on Roni the year before. I made some polite noises about it being a wide open field that year, which it was, really. I figure the judges played darts to decide the winner or sump'n.

Noodle Vague, Monday, 18 June 2007 10:44 (eighteen years ago)

who will win it this year? due a curveball winner but don't know of anything that fits that bill really. surely not Patrick Wolf...

Klaxons.

Dom Passantino, Monday, 18 June 2007 10:45 (eighteen years ago)

badly drawn boy is probably the second worst yeah. looked like a tramp, sounded like a tramp. fucking buskers.

<i>i'd still rather listen to those nerdy hacks in gomez than the likes of 'moving on up'</i>

'moving on up' is a GREAT SONG. heather small's voice could be offputting but during the moments when the backing singers drowned her out, ie the choruses, m people were v good indeed.

lex pretend, Monday, 18 June 2007 10:46 (eighteen years ago)

Gomez's fanbase confuses me. They supported Embrace in 1997. In Our Gun's quite a good album, lots of good ideas put together pretty well.

Scik Mouthy, Monday, 18 June 2007 10:47 (eighteen years ago)

Klaxons no way. Form suggests a non-schmindie winner this year.

Noodle Vague, Monday, 18 June 2007 10:47 (eighteen years ago)

Klaxons will be most likely be favourites tho

blueski, Monday, 18 June 2007 10:47 (eighteen years ago)

Yeah, we're due a dance / urban / pop winner this year.

Scik Mouthy, Monday, 18 June 2007 10:48 (eighteen years ago)

Klaxons are "technically" "dance".

Dom Passantino, Monday, 18 June 2007 10:48 (eighteen years ago)

it really is time for BDB to take off that stupid Benny hat. far more offensive than anything Jay K ever sported.

blueski, Monday, 18 June 2007 10:48 (eighteen years ago)

The only urban album I can think of that'd get nominated is Wiley.

Dom Passantino, Monday, 18 June 2007 10:48 (eighteen years ago)

Dizzee?

Noodle Vague, Monday, 18 June 2007 10:49 (eighteen years ago)

Definite nominees: Klaxons, Long Blondes, Patrick Wolf, probably Cocker.

Dom Passantino, Monday, 18 June 2007 10:49 (eighteen years ago)

Simian Mobile Disco? MIA?

acrobat, Monday, 18 June 2007 10:50 (eighteen years ago)

Simian Mobile Disco is a good shout actually. 4/5 in Q.

Dom Passantino, Monday, 18 June 2007 10:51 (eighteen years ago)

When does Radiohead's album drop? I figure the judges are aching to give it to them eventually.

Noodle Vague, Monday, 18 June 2007 10:51 (eighteen years ago)

I've never heard the Talvin Singh which I can very much imagine hating. So it's Ms. Dynamite for me. Best is M People.

Kevin John Bozelka, Monday, 18 June 2007 10:51 (eighteen years ago)

Yeah? It's a fucking dreadful record.

Scik Mouthy, Monday, 18 June 2007 10:52 (eighteen years ago)

Travis nominated just to take the piss.

Noodle Vague, Monday, 18 June 2007 10:52 (eighteen years ago)

SMD, that is.

I know you guys wont agree, but I'd love Patrick Wolf to win. Except that it would destroy his career.

Scik Mouthy, Monday, 18 June 2007 10:52 (eighteen years ago)

they could give it to a folk/classical/jazz album this year lol

acrobat, Monday, 18 June 2007 10:55 (eighteen years ago)

Mika wins in shock insider betting coup.

Noodle Vague, Monday, 18 June 2007 10:55 (eighteen years ago)

predicted 07 noms:
The Twang
Paul McCartney
Dizzee Rascal
Mark Ronson
Arctic Monkeys
Kaiser Chiefs
Editors
Klaxons
MIA
Patrick Wolf
Mika
jazzist

blueski, Monday, 18 June 2007 10:58 (eighteen years ago)

Spidey sense says Ronson has an each-way chance, also Amy Winehouse? Ronson would walk this poll if he was on it.

Noodle Vague, Monday, 18 June 2007 11:00 (eighteen years ago)

Jarvis and SMD in place of Macca and MIA maybe

blueski, Monday, 18 June 2007 11:00 (eighteen years ago)

also token Classicals and Folks unless Patrick bleedin' Wolf counts as Folk. Scott Walker is technically "American" isn't he?

acrobat, Monday, 18 June 2007 11:03 (eighteen years ago)

I think this year will be the year one of the token entries wins, though what it will be I haven't a clue.

Billy Dods, Monday, 18 June 2007 11:03 (eighteen years ago)

winehouse seems the most likely choice from what people have listed though it seems like it came out well over a year ago

the MIA album is going to get raved about

lex pretend, Monday, 18 June 2007 11:05 (eighteen years ago)

Ronson wont get in cos it's covers. Wont get Arctics AND Kaisers, so remove Arctics, as they won last year. I'd like to see Fraud as the token jazz. SMD over MIA; her cultual capital is lost, now.

Scik Mouthy, Monday, 18 June 2007 11:06 (eighteen years ago)

Wait a moment. Elephant in etc etc. It is going to be THE GOOD THE BAD AND THE QUEEN. Dead cert. It has EVERYTHING they be looking for.

acrobat, Monday, 18 June 2007 11:31 (eighteen years ago)

lol m people lol

Despite Gomez being right there, I'm totally voting Ms. Dynamite here.

King Boy Pato, Monday, 18 June 2007 11:39 (eighteen years ago)

"once around the block" is still amazing so BDB can't win this. i've never heard it though. i'm with stevem, the one i would most not-like to listen to is Antony & Johnsons.

jed_, Monday, 18 June 2007 11:51 (eighteen years ago)

although I Am A Bird Now can't win because it stopped The Kaiser Cheifs from winning and therefore is, by default, the best album of all time.

jed_, Monday, 18 June 2007 11:53 (eighteen years ago)

voted for Gomez. they was the rubbish.

this years lot i think will look something like:

The Good The Bad & The Queen
Klaxons
Amy Winehouse
Simian Mobile Disco
The View
Wiley
Jarvis Cocker
Patrick Wolf
Maximo Park
Arctic Monkeys
MIA
FOLK or JAZZ or CLASSICAL

Press out cry at lack of Mika.

acrobat, Monday, 18 June 2007 15:28 (eighteen years ago)

The View - this is the worst album of the year !

djmartian, Monday, 18 June 2007 15:37 (eighteen years ago)

How anyone can prefer M People to anything is beyond my comprehension.

M PEOPLE OR DEATH?

You know, death probably ain't that bad.

dermoth, Monday, 18 June 2007 15:38 (eighteen years ago)

ok, here goes... dj martain what are your tips for the prize?

acrobat, Monday, 18 June 2007 15:39 (eighteen years ago)

M People. Awful awful band.

Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Monday, 18 June 2007 15:41 (eighteen years ago)

you will have a wait a few weeks !

http://www.nationwidemercurys.com/

Eligibility for albums: July 18th 2006 and Monday July 9th 2007
British / Irish artists

Shortlist is announced Tuesday 17th July

djmartian, Monday, 18 June 2007 15:45 (eighteen years ago)

Is the M People hate really just because they peddled a formula of soul-based dance pop too pedestrian ala Brand New Heavies or Simply Red, and inferior to 70s or early 80s equivalents as a result? I'd probably agree with that, but I don't know if they are significantly more objectionable than countless other British acts inc. some on this poll such as Gomez, BDB or even the AMs.

blueski, Monday, 18 June 2007 15:59 (eighteen years ago)

Is there anything beyond just how M People literally SOUND that makes people hate them so much even today?

blueski, Monday, 18 June 2007 16:00 (eighteen years ago)

e.g. with Simply Red you've got Hucknall's visage to be repulsed by. in a similar way the Heavies conjure up, perhaps unfairly, images of goatee-sporting acid jazz kangol blah blahs made of straw...

M People just make me think of Lawrence Llewellyn-Bowen I think...but I don't have enough against his posho behind to find them that reprehensible.

blueski, Monday, 18 June 2007 16:08 (eighteen years ago)

The bigger a shit band gets the more they are hated surely? and they were huge. Plus that voice is so annoying yet so highly praised.

Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Monday, 18 June 2007 16:08 (eighteen years ago)

has ILM ever done a "coffee table: is this an unfair criticism" type thread? search says no. i think that thread would answer yer blueski.

acrobat, Monday, 18 June 2007 16:10 (eighteen years ago)

There is a middle of the road dance music thread.

Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Monday, 18 June 2007 16:12 (eighteen years ago)

Elegant Slumming is the fourth best album of the 1990s.

Kevin John Bozelka, Monday, 18 June 2007 16:13 (eighteen years ago)

on the 'rather listen to' ILM hata stakes

gomez > m people >>>>> BDB

Alan, Monday, 18 June 2007 16:14 (eighteen years ago)

wow, what a terrible list

zaxxon25, Monday, 18 June 2007 16:15 (eighteen years ago)

Actually the Brig might have a point. M People probably sold more albums than any other MMP winner...until the AMs?

blueski, Monday, 18 June 2007 16:15 (eighteen years ago)

I can't find that mor dance thread I mentioned.

Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Monday, 18 June 2007 16:17 (eighteen years ago)

Plus that voice is so annoying yet so highly praised.

who on earth praises heather small's voice

seriously, i hope no one thinks that they are a LONE VOICE OF SENSE in daring to say that her voice sucks!

lex pretend, Monday, 18 June 2007 16:18 (eighteen years ago)

and MONDEO DRIVERS that's another stock phrase to throw out. there's also probably some "death of rave contiuum" grimeys simey thing you could hold against the Mike Pikering People.

acrobat, Monday, 18 June 2007 16:20 (eighteen years ago)

has ILM ever done a "coffee table: is this an unfair criticism" type thread? search says no. i think that thread would answer yer blueski.

it might if it really established why 'coffee table' was such a bad thing as opposed to just representing mediocrity tho many choose to equate mediocrity with downright atrocity (grey worse than black (lol racism joeks)).

blueski, Monday, 18 June 2007 16:21 (eighteen years ago)

is "coffee table" equivalent to "only has 12 cds wo/man" or does it have other connotations?

Alan, Monday, 18 June 2007 16:23 (eighteen years ago)

but it's a certian type of mediocrity. i'm sure most of ilm would say Gomez were mediocre or worse but few would say they were "coffee table". actually no one of the things that's always thrown at the mecuries whoever wins is that they are "coffee table albums". cf that half man half biscuit song about how middle class people are rubbish.

acrobat, Monday, 18 June 2007 16:26 (eighteen years ago)

It's not so much their mediocrity (which is debatable) as the cringeworthy self-help SEARCH FOR THE HERO INSIDE YOURRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRSELF lyrics.

Scik Mouthy, Monday, 18 June 2007 16:28 (eighteen years ago)

"Obviously that's just jealousy on my part"
xp

Dom Passantino, Monday, 18 June 2007 16:29 (eighteen years ago)

actually i revise my diagram to

gomez >>>>> m people >>>>> BDB

cos i'd still listen to that gomez album. just not often.

Alan, Monday, 18 June 2007 16:29 (eighteen years ago)

I think it's a lifestyle perception thing, isn't it? Smooth, middle-class, magnolia walls, home-espresso-maker-owning music, that sort of thing.

(xposts, haha, yeah, exactly: the people that Paintball's Coming Home's about)

M People are quite good fun, really. I can't think what there is to hate. I can get why people dislike them, but I can't imagine the vitriol that could make anyone hate something so inoffensive.

ailsa, Monday, 18 June 2007 16:29 (eighteen years ago)

Portishead's 1st album crossed over to the coffee table set but it doesn't stop it from being a brilliant brilliant album.

However usually it's a mediocre middle of the road type album. Dido? and a whole host of those albums mentioned on the mor dance thread that hopefully someone can find for me.

Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Monday, 18 June 2007 16:31 (eighteen years ago)

arctic monkeys fo sho!

funny farm, Monday, 18 June 2007 16:33 (eighteen years ago)

Dido never made anything that dancey (except the Faithless stuff, which was pretty good at the time) tho. I wonder if Mike Pickering was aiming to be like the 90s British Chic around the time 'One Night In Heaven' became a big hit. Obviously he lacked the same degree of musical/production talent and awareness but that was his kind of music originally and he figured he could make a living in the meantime. It sounds ridiculous now but by the same token SAW were trying to produce the modern equivalent of (perceived to be) classic disco/soul records too with Rick Astley and what have you. I'm actually quite fascinated by how they saw their own stuff at the time. I don't think they were really cynical about what they were doing (same goes for Hucknall), they genuinely believed it was good pop music that incorporated their love of older black music. They just prioritised the importance of technical competency over artistic freshness and a tacit understanding of "the funk" (which Jamiroquai were better at tho they suffered similar problems...maybe just 'wanting to sell a lot of records'!).

blueski, Monday, 18 June 2007 16:52 (eighteen years ago)

Paintball's Coming Home's

Haha, within the past 24 hours this has become my favourite HMHB song (alongside Bad Review), although I've only heard 2 albums so far.

Dom, you refer to a certain teenager, did you mean a certain twentysomething? Those dulcet tones call out to me still.

(Seriously, though, Here Comes The Breeze, Tijuana Lady and Rie's Wagon are good songs! Gomez are definitely not the worst act here. That honour would fall to the AMs, if only because I've been lucky enough to avoid M People thus far. Portishead's is the best by such a monstrous margin it isn't funny.)

Just got offed, Monday, 18 June 2007 17:43 (eighteen years ago)

Oh, and if NS and I can't get 65DOS nominated, I'm going to have to back The Electric Soft Parade, on principle.

Just got offed, Monday, 18 June 2007 17:45 (eighteen years ago)

*Dead Men Don't Need Season Tickets notwithstanding

Just got offed, Monday, 18 June 2007 17:49 (eighteen years ago)

I'm changing my vote: New Young Pony Club will win.

Dom Passantino, Monday, 18 June 2007 19:04 (eighteen years ago)

Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.

ILX System, Monday, 18 June 2007 23:01 (eighteen years ago)

Went for Dizzee Rascal. Never understood the fuss (and, no, the rapping isn't my main problem about him)

Geir Hongro, Monday, 18 June 2007 23:13 (eighteen years ago)

Bewilderbeast by a country mile

Mr. Snrub, Tuesday, 19 June 2007 04:54 (eighteen years ago)

Yes it's so easy to say "M People was easily the worst outfit to ever win the Mercury", because every living person in Britain has been saying that for over a decade now.

As terribly crap and Mondeo as they were, at least three other winners have been more objectional and more outright fucking awful....

King Boy Pato, Tuesday, 19 June 2007 05:06 (eighteen years ago)

Ms. Dynamite by a mile. M People are cool by me.

If Timi Yuro would be still alive, most other singers could shut up, Tuesday, 19 June 2007 05:59 (eighteen years ago)

I'm not surprised that anyone hates M People. I myself have to be under some form of hypnosis to dig "Love Is In My Soul." But the level of hate here really astonishes me. It's enough to make one believe the following statement is true:

Yes it's so easy to say "M People was easily the worst outfit to ever win the Mercury", because every living person in Britain has been saying that for over a decade now.

Now are GAY living people included in this mix? I bet not and I bet if there were more gay people on this thread, there'd be no mistaking M People for acid jazz clones as seems to be happening here. These are gay disco songs, people, full of classic OTT, throw your hands in the air, you make me feel mighty real disco moments. And even when they weren't, they were remixed to heaven until they sounded that way. So there's no need to wonder if/why the band or anyone else thought this was genuinely good pop music.

But I'm wondering if whatever deficiencies M People might have had were magnified by a Brit context. They stormed the charts more absolutely there than they did here in the States, right? So I imagine it was easier to get annoyed with them; here, it was pretty easy to escape them if you didn't frequent gay clubs. Plus y'all lived in closer proximity to techno, jungle, etc. scenes (esp. in 1994) which probably sucked a lot of the energy out of Elegant Slumming for some. Just conjecture.

Kevin John Bozelka, Tuesday, 19 June 2007 08:35 (eighteen years ago)

without having heard it, it's probably anthony and the johnsons.

That one guy that quit, Tuesday, 19 June 2007 08:38 (eighteen years ago)

These are gay disco songs, people, full of classic OTT, throw your hands in the air, you make me feel mighty real disco moments.

no.

That one guy that quit, Tuesday, 19 June 2007 08:39 (eighteen years ago)

they're full of "queuing for a parking space at homebase" moments.

That one guy that quit, Tuesday, 19 June 2007 08:40 (eighteen years ago)

At the same time as Elegent Slumming you have to consider the releases of Parklife, Definitely Maybe and Jilted Generation. It just seems, in hindsight, a little... 'wtf'?

Scik Mouthy, Tuesday, 19 June 2007 08:41 (eighteen years ago)

not in hindsight! everyone was saying that even then (def maybe was probably not eleigible for 1994 tho).

That one guy that quit, Tuesday, 19 June 2007 08:42 (eighteen years ago)

Kevin appears to have confused "homosexuals" with "event planners putting on a motivational conference for industrial lighting salesmen"

Dom Passantino, Tuesday, 19 June 2007 08:43 (eighteen years ago)

True; late August release.

xpost.

Scik Mouthy, Tuesday, 19 June 2007 08:44 (eighteen years ago)

At the same time as Elegent Slumming you have to consider the releases of Parklife, Definitely Maybe and Jilted Generation. It just seems, in hindsight, a little... 'wtf'?

the m people album is obviously and without a doubt better than two of those you listed

lex pretend, Tuesday, 19 June 2007 08:47 (eighteen years ago)

Obviously to YOU, Alex. Lots of other people might disagree. I'm not saying those are my favourite albums from 1994 - they're not - just saying that given the remit of the awards as was and as is, M People seem like a very odd choice compared to those three.

Scik Mouthy, Tuesday, 19 June 2007 08:50 (eighteen years ago)

poor man's sub sub.

That one guy that quit, Tuesday, 19 June 2007 08:51 (eighteen years ago)

Can we talk about Roni Size here as well? Are we still allowed to like him or what?

Dom Passantino, Tuesday, 19 June 2007 08:51 (eighteen years ago)

sub sub sub

That one guy that quit, Tuesday, 19 June 2007 08:51 (eighteen years ago)

i have the single new forms/share the fall: it's awesome, but the album was wayyy too long.

That one guy that quit, Tuesday, 19 June 2007 08:51 (eighteen years ago)

Aye, the album was too long. It's decent, but not amazing. Dated a lot less than Timeless, haha.

Scik Mouthy, Tuesday, 19 June 2007 08:52 (eighteen years ago)

Obviously to YOU, Alex. Lots of other people might disagree. I'm not saying those are my favourite albums from 1994 - they're not - just saying that given the remit of the awards as was and as is, M People seem like a very odd choice compared to those three.

they've had a token poppy act occasionally though, i remember the spice girls were on the shortlist one year? it's mildly surprising that m people won, but it's hardly outrageous.

i saw roni size at the new college ball a few years ago, he was brilliant. never owned his albums though oddly!

lex pretend, Tuesday, 19 June 2007 08:55 (eighteen years ago)

Remember when "Brown Paper Bag" was de rigeur for every police chase scene on British tv?

Dom Passantino, Tuesday, 19 June 2007 08:57 (eighteen years ago)

Haha, what are they using these days? I've not seen any police TV in an age.

Scik Mouthy, Tuesday, 19 June 2007 08:59 (eighteen years ago)

Hard-Fi

Just got offed, Tuesday, 19 June 2007 09:00 (eighteen years ago)

Kevin's point about M People is true to some extent. M People had some club credibility at least before winning the MMP largely due to remixes and Pickering's profile. At that point they weren't too far away from Loveland, Evolution, Happy Clappers and similar UK house stuff a lot of which obviously did and does suck altho some of it was good (e.g. T-Empo's 'Saturday Night Sunday Morning' - shame M People didn't do something more like that, wouldn't have been too much of a leap). Heather Small's often Yoda-esque voice was definitely a big part of the problem. And none of this really explains why they won the prize.

blueski, Tuesday, 19 June 2007 09:07 (eighteen years ago)

hahah yoda-esque. pretty spot on

Charlie Howard, Tuesday, 19 June 2007 09:08 (eighteen years ago)

Those 1994 nominations in full:

M People – Elegant Slumming
Blur – Parklife
Ian McNabb – Head Like A Rock
Shara Nelson – What Silence Knows
Michael Nyman – The Piano Concerto and MGV
The Prodigy – Music for the Jilted Generation
Pulp – His'n'Hers
Take That – Everything Changes
Therapy? – Troublegum
Paul Weller – Wild Wood

That years scandalous ommission; Aphex Twin SAW II. Presumably with only 10 entries no room for the token folk or jazz act this year. If I had to pick only one of them I'd probably pick Nyman with Blur/Pulp close runners up.

Billy Dods, Tuesday, 19 June 2007 09:16 (eighteen years ago)

*whisper* I liked the Badly Drawn Boy album when it first came out and suspect I'd still find it quiet pleasant now.

Gomez is by far the worst of these but I haven't heard the M People record. Bearing in mind I've never liked a single song of theirs I suspect it'd be vying for the top spot at least.

New Forms is fucking boring but is due to come back into fashion any minute now.

Matt DC, Tuesday, 19 June 2007 09:17 (eighteen years ago)

The BDB album is really pleasant. I loved it when it came out. Not liked anythign else he's done, but he had some really, really good tunes, and there's a really interesting flow to it, too, with the underwater stuff and the segues.

Scik Mouthy, Tuesday, 19 June 2007 09:19 (eighteen years ago)

i think blueski gets it spot on why m people HAD to win! the prize was three years old and the previous winners had both been from an indie rock mileu. for them to fail to in some way acknowledge "dance", screamadelica for all its danceyness is very much coming from a "rock "frame of reference, would have really made them look like a prize simply for indie rock.

acrobat, Tuesday, 19 June 2007 09:21 (eighteen years ago)

Matt did you ever like any jazzy DnB stuff?

I guess I would've preferred Pulp or The Prodigy to win out of those on the list.

blueski, Tuesday, 19 June 2007 09:22 (eighteen years ago)

that's if it's actually as thought out as i'm making out. maybe the judges just liked it a lot.

acrobat, Tuesday, 19 June 2007 09:22 (eighteen years ago)

I don't see why M People HAD to win the prize to acknowledge dance music when the Prodigy were on that list.

Matt DC, Tuesday, 19 June 2007 09:22 (eighteen years ago)

"Once Around the Block" is probably king of the "Best song by the worst artist" award, perhaps tying with "When I Argue I See Shapes"

Dom Passantino, Tuesday, 19 June 2007 09:23 (eighteen years ago)

ILM just ate my "surely Prodigy are the obvious winner in that case?" post.

Scik Mouthy, Tuesday, 19 June 2007 09:24 (eighteen years ago)

prodigy were way too, well, chavvy for mercury and for people who cared about it in '94. am amazed it was nommed.

That one guy that quit, Tuesday, 19 June 2007 09:26 (eighteen years ago)

haven't heard BDB since it came out but it can't be worse than arctic monkeys, franz, m people, a & the js...

That one guy that quit, Tuesday, 19 June 2007 09:27 (eighteen years ago)

hindsight there

how could they have ignored it at the time?

blueski, Tuesday, 19 June 2007 09:27 (eighteen years ago)

Shara Nelson – What Silence Knows

har, i remember this! it was pretty good!

m people really don't stick out from the '94 shortlist at all.

lex pretend, Tuesday, 19 June 2007 09:28 (eighteen years ago)

i love 'Once Around The Block' but 'The Shining' now makes me want to rename him Badly Decapitated Boy. you know, like, i would take his head off with the hat still on it yeah?

blueski, Tuesday, 19 June 2007 09:29 (eighteen years ago)

this is the prodigy before keith took centre stage innit? hmmm. still the m people represent more of a break from the previous than prodigy would have been. also they had the soul/ jazzy thing going on, it sort of tips the hat to another, non britrock, zeitgeist.

acrobat, Tuesday, 19 June 2007 09:29 (eighteen years ago)

this is the prodigy before keith took centre stage innit? hmmm. still the m people represent more of a break from the previous than prodigy would have been.

tough call, but i don't think so. jilted is the most badass of all mercury nominated records.

That one guy that quit, Tuesday, 19 June 2007 09:31 (eighteen years ago)

i can only remember the select review of 'jilted', which was saying 'haters still think of howlett as a cheesy quaver but ffs this shits all over everything lamestains'. which was otm but -- i reckon -- a contrarian opinion. this was the year of SAW and 'snivilisation' and 'haunted dancehall'.

That one guy that quit, Tuesday, 19 June 2007 09:33 (eighteen years ago)

Its not that they needed a non-indie record to win. they needed a non-student record to win

Filey Camp, Tuesday, 19 June 2007 09:35 (eighteen years ago)

ha, difference being?

blueski, Tuesday, 19 June 2007 09:37 (eighteen years ago)

no £50 man in those days. only students and recent grads liked Blur, Suede and Primal Scream back then.

blueski, Tuesday, 19 June 2007 09:39 (eighteen years ago)

£50 man would have been buying dire straits and sting then no? i think Filey is 8080TM as much as prodigy are dance they were still much loved by the nme/maker/select axis no? m people represent a break from that consensus.

acrobat, Tuesday, 19 June 2007 09:41 (eighteen years ago)

£50 was a lot of green in those days.

although music was more expensive.

£50 man would have been buying dire straits and sting then no?

no.

That one guy that quit, Tuesday, 19 June 2007 09:42 (eighteen years ago)

as much as prodigy are dance they were still much loved by the nme/maker/select axis no? m people represent a break from that consensus.

yeahbut nme/mm, and even select, were still basically indie in 1994. mercury's constituency was not identical with that world at all. it's for people --and not students so mmuch -- who want an alternative to the britannia music prize -- so they can pick up the hot jams without having to keep up with these matters.

That one guy that quit, Tuesday, 19 June 2007 09:44 (eighteen years ago)

that's what i'm saying they had to make a move to differentiate themselves. without m people winning the criticism could have been that the award was no different than the nme year end poll or whatevs. q was going in the early nineties wasn't it. what would £50 man be buying to before bluasis hit?

acrobat, Tuesday, 19 June 2007 09:48 (eighteen years ago)

Someone find the NME 1994 list.

I suspect, if one album 'broke' dance to indie kids, it was Jilted Generation.

Scik Mouthy, Tuesday, 19 June 2007 09:50 (eighteen years ago)

um screamdelica? though i am now refuting what i said upthread. gateway drug?

acrobat, Tuesday, 19 June 2007 09:51 (eighteen years ago)

what would £50 man be buying to before bluasis hit?

this is a key question because in a way mercury helped invent the £50 bloke. yer dire straits/sting/phil collins listeners have the income of the £50 but they couldn't have given a fuck about appearing vaguely edgy by owning the mark ronson or dizzee rascal album. the £50 bloke is tied up with 'middle youth'.

That one guy that quit, Tuesday, 19 June 2007 09:52 (eighteen years ago)

£50 man would have been buying dire straits and sting then no?

no.

actually yes, pretty much. the equivalent stereotype would've still been buying rock has-beens like that.

blueski, Tuesday, 19 June 2007 09:52 (eighteen years ago)

Kevin appears to have confused "homosexuals" with "event planners putting on a motivational conference for industrial lighting salesmen"

I didn't use the word "homosexuals" nor would I ever. But hey - thanx for the stimulating conversation.

Kevin John Bozelka, Tuesday, 19 June 2007 09:53 (eighteen years ago)

not dire straits. but what i'm saying is no-one thought sting was cool; £50 bloke *does* think he's a tiny little bit cool.

xpost

lol u just did lol11!!

That one guy that quit, Tuesday, 19 June 2007 09:54 (eighteen years ago)

hands up anyone who actually knows a '£50 man' anyway (and do your parents own any of the winning albums from this decade?)

blueski, Tuesday, 19 June 2007 09:54 (eighteen years ago)

"£50 strawman"

That one guy that quit, Tuesday, 19 June 2007 09:55 (eighteen years ago)

when i say £50 man i just mean 'word readers' basically. never met one -- just imagining their ideal reader.

That one guy that quit, Tuesday, 19 June 2007 09:56 (eighteen years ago)

Guess which artists on the winners list my Mum is most likely to listen to by a MASSIVE distance. Beings with M.

I don't think my Dad would like any of them much, POSSIBLY Gomez, POSSIBLY some of the Franz.

lolrents

blueski, Tuesday, 19 June 2007 09:57 (eighteen years ago)

<i>um screamdelica? though i am now refuting what i said upthread. gateway drug?</i>

That's rock guys appropriating dance as psychedelia. Prodigy came straight out of rave culture, straight from Charlie, and they dropped this; it's total dance, despite the occasional guitars from Mr Butt. Half my friends didn't understand it AT ALL. It was the year Cobain died and they were getting into Sonic Youth and Metallica. This is not rock songs or instrumentals with a dance sheen.

Scik Mouthy, Tuesday, 19 June 2007 09:57 (eighteen years ago)

i think togtq's ideas about cool and middle youth are really important. this list possibly more so than any rave or britpop narrative shows the impulse for gentrification in the 90s. the industries desire to control and market whilst retaining the "cred". was this a 90s thing? this michael bracewell about the 90s book i read argued something very similar, though i can't quite rememberit exaclty.

acrobat, Tuesday, 19 June 2007 10:02 (eighteen years ago)

Didn't think Gizz Butt was on this one? Also re:

yeahbut nme/mm, and even select, were still basically indie in 1994. mercury's constituency was not identical with that world at all.

All of those had decent sized dance sections and there was generally much more coverage of (established) dance acts than there is now. Also I think the Mercury was still finding its feet in 94, its third year - I dunno if people really knew what it was sposed to be about (do they now?)

DJ Mencap, Tuesday, 19 June 2007 10:03 (eighteen years ago)

Also I think the Mercury was still finding its feet in 94, its third year - I dunno if people really knew what it was sposed to be about (do they now?)

-- DJ Mencap, Tuesday, June 19, 2007 4:03 PM (27 seconds ago) Bookmark Link

yeah this is key. tbh '94 was the first year i heard of it, mainly because of all the fuss about blur Not Winning in the nme.

since then everything has sort of got 'closer together' -- nme, britannia, mercury, the broadsheets.

That one guy that quit, Tuesday, 19 June 2007 10:05 (eighteen years ago)

I'm sure Gizz Butt's on one track on JG.

Scik Mouthy, Tuesday, 19 June 2007 10:06 (eighteen years ago)

the mercuries possibly represent an industry fight back, now won. they show that the suits didn't want to be taken by suprise again, that whatever hip new yoof culture appeared they'd be cool with it, cos y know they are cool dudes.

acrobat, Tuesday, 19 June 2007 10:10 (eighteen years ago)

i would count myself as a 50 quid bloke in the original sense, not in the 'fostered by Word magazine sense.

Alan, Tuesday, 19 June 2007 11:39 (eighteen years ago)

i bought word early on, but it settled down v quickly into Mojo lite.

Alan, Tuesday, 19 June 2007 11:39 (eighteen years ago)

Did the lighthouse family ever get nominated? my god they were shit.

Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Tuesday, 19 June 2007 14:00 (eighteen years ago)

actually they...no, i can't do it this time.

blueski, Tuesday, 19 June 2007 14:16 (eighteen years ago)

Did the lighthouse family ever get nominated? my god they were shit.

wait until you hear the indie band featuring one of the lighthouse family : Orange Lights

The Orange Lights feature vocalist Jason Hart (formerly lead guitarist with Spiritualized) and keyboard player Paul Tucker (songwriter, one-half of The Lighthouse Family). The Single and the album was produced by Ken Nelson (all three Coldplay albums), Chris Potter (The Verve's "Urban Hymns").

so dreary it has to be heard to be believed.

mark e, Tuesday, 19 June 2007 14:16 (eighteen years ago)

Yeah, I got emails about them, and studiously deleted.

Scik Mouthy, Tuesday, 19 June 2007 14:22 (eighteen years ago)

The Lighthouse Family guy has a pretty good voice. Shame he sings such bland turgid dreck with it. Surely they can't have ever been nominated, not that I care enough to google it.

ailsa, Tuesday, 19 June 2007 14:24 (eighteen years ago)

I had the Orange Lights album (it sucked) but failed to notice either ex-member connection. I've never heard of Jason Hart either, he's just a session musician I guess?

DJ Mencap, Tuesday, 19 June 2007 14:29 (eighteen years ago)

press release quote :
"the time’s right for us. people are fed up with mumbling indie bands. we are all about big tunes you can sing your heart out to."
paul tucker, the orange lights

had me chuckling for many an hour that particular gem.
no doubt in 6 months the Snow Patrol-lite music will be dominating the Radio 2 playlist and we'll all wish we'd kept the cardboard cutout promos (which were very reminiscent of the Athlete debut album promo - should have seen the signs !)

mark e, Tuesday, 19 June 2007 14:39 (eighteen years ago)

I just rescued it from the dump pile just because of you - I hope you're proud

DJ Mencap, Tuesday, 19 June 2007 14:47 (eighteen years ago)

my dump pile was 'archived' a few weeks ago, so it's too late for me to follow your bravery.

mark e, Tuesday, 19 June 2007 14:57 (eighteen years ago)

Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.

ILX System, Tuesday, 19 June 2007 23:01 (eighteen years ago)

Elegant Slumming indeed

acrobat, Tuesday, 19 June 2007 23:02 (eighteen years ago)

ilm in hating inoffenive pop soul more than turgid blues rock shock

acrobat, Wednesday, 20 June 2007 08:32 (eighteen years ago)

"Bring It On", while no blues rock will ever by my favourite music, has a great production, which brings it way above what it would have been otherwise.

Geir Hongro, Wednesday, 20 June 2007 08:51 (eighteen years ago)

And as for M People, they are the weirdest thing on the list, but I find them way more listenable than Dizzee Rascal anyway.

Geir Hongro, Wednesday, 20 June 2007 08:51 (eighteen years ago)

Geir and Dizzee both have "FUCK THA WORLD" style demeanours tempered with their obvious desire to be cuddly ambassadors of the mainstream.

Dom Passantino, Wednesday, 20 June 2007 09:00 (eighteen years ago)

Bought: 5 (Dizzee most recent, tho only bought Screamadelica a couple of months back)
Downloaded: 2 (PJ, Franz)
Acquired promo: 2 (Singh, Gomez - both were sold on)

blueski, Wednesday, 20 June 2007 09:59 (eighteen years ago)

The "winner" = more proof that England is on another planet (the heterosexual part, that is).

Kevin John Bozelka, Wednesday, 20 June 2007 10:08 (eighteen years ago)

Maybe you should invade us.

Dom Passantino, Wednesday, 20 June 2007 10:20 (eighteen years ago)

"Westerners should be conscious of the superiority of our civilization, which consists of a value system that has given people widespread prosperity in those countries that embrace it, and guarantees respect for human rights and religion. This respect certainly does not exist in Islamic countries."

Dom Passantino, Wednesday, 20 June 2007 10:23 (eighteen years ago)

i'm glad m people won/lost because i've been listening to some of their singles and they're fucken shit

Charlie Howard, Wednesday, 20 June 2007 10:26 (eighteen years ago)

Still irked at the Gomez/Arctic Monkeys imbalance. Gomez at least showed some ingenuity in their song-structures and instrumentation. I think they're being sold short here; they should be at least two or three places lower. AM's have absolutely nothing to recommend them.

Just got offed, Wednesday, 20 June 2007 10:26 (eighteen years ago)

BEST GREEK/BRITISH INDIE PONTIFICATOR POLL:

* L0uis J@gger
* Alexis Petridish
* Alex Kapranos

Dom Passantino, Wednesday, 20 June 2007 10:28 (eighteen years ago)

Maybe you should invade us.

Invading heterosexual men is one of my favorite pastimes. Thanx for the invite.

Kevin John Bozelka, Wednesday, 20 June 2007 10:31 (eighteen years ago)

i think in this case "thanx but no thanx" would be more apt

lex pretend, Wednesday, 20 June 2007 10:34 (eighteen years ago)


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