"Ether" vs. "Takeover"

sean carter to jay-z, damn you on jaz dick
so lil shortys gettin gunned up and clapped quick
how much of biggies rhymes is gon come out your fat lips?
wanted to be on every last one of my classics
you pop shit, apologize, nigga, just ask kiss

vs CHRIS AND NEEF, WE RUNNIN THIS RAP SHIT! O AND SPARKS, WE RUNNIN THIS RAP SHIT!!

takeover obv

I showed you your first tec on tour with Large Professor
Then I heard your album bout your tec on the dresser

that's a one hot album every ten year average

^

takeover is jay at his wackest-- ether is nas at his best

ether> takeover

-- Jordan Sargent, Thursday, August 23, 2007 8:25 PM (19 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

def. meant takeover>ether

takeover is jay at his wackest-- ether is nas at his best

-- luriqua, Thursday, August 23, 2007 9:23 PM (27 seconds ago) Bookmark Link

this is nine levels of RONG.

takeover obv

-- groovemaaan, Thursday, 23 August 2007 21:00 (56 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

I showed you your first tec on tour with Large Professor
Then I heard your album bout your tec on the dresser

-- deej, Thursday, 23 August 2007 21:01 (55 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

that's a one hot album every ten year average

-- dmr, Thursday, 23 August 2007 21:22 (34 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

^

-- Jordan Sargent, Thursday, 23 August 2007 21:22 (34 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

Sterling Clover Memorial Thread

"runnin' this rap shit" line balanced out by "And all you other cats throwin shots at Jigga/ You only get half a bar - fuck y'all niggas."

but this goes to Ether by leaps and bounds

better than any verse Jay ever recorded:

I've been fucked over, left for dead, dissed and forgotten
Luck ran out, they hoped that I'd be gone, stiff and rotten
Y'all just piss on me, shit on me, spit on my grave (uh)
Talk about me, laugh behind my back but in my face
Y'all some "well wishers," friendly acting, envy hiding snakes
With your hands out for my money, man, how much can I take?
When these streets keep calling, heard it when I was sleep
That this Gay-Z and Cockafella Records wanted beef
Started cocking up my weapon, slowly loading up this ammo
To explode it on a camel, and his soldiers, I can handle
This for dolo and it's manuscript, just sound stupid
When KRS already made an album called Blueprint
First, Biggie's ya man, then you got the nerve to say that you better than Big
Dick sucking lips, why not you let the late, great veteran live

99. You only get half a bar/ Fuck y'all niggas - The Takeover

-- Tynan DeLong (TynanTynan!), Friday, January 13, 2006 9:50 PM (1 year ago) Bookmark Link

"Takeover" is kinda OK as an early 00s indie-friendly crossover novelty single, but at the end of the day I kinda want my rap to have more in common with "Ya Playing Yourself" than "Bad Babysitter"

the gay-z and cockafella disses were kinda weak.

i don't mind ether, but i like the overall easy, confident vibe of takeover better...

along the lines of what m@tt said, jay doesn't even sound heated.

i dig the "pssshhh... nas?"-ness of it.

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Started cocking up my weapon, slowly loading up this ammo
To explode it on a camel and his soldiers
I can handle this for dolo and its manuscript
Just sound stupid when KRS already made an album called Blueprint

Foxy got you hot 'cause you kept your face in her puss
What you think, you getting girls now 'cause of your looks?

I don't know about this one but I'll give you a sure winner - in my own, uninformed way. The 50-Cent diss of Nas was absolutely smoked by Nas' reply.

http://allhiphop.com/features/?ID=38

AHH: One thing that just came up today, Nas apparently has a response to Jay Z’s "The Takeover" on his upcoming album, which implicates you and Pun and includes the lyrics: "Call yourself gangsta but you were begging for pardon that night in Carbon when Terror Squad flipped on your squadron tried to front on their checks till Pun put a gun to your chest."

Fat Joe: We gotta hear it but damn, what a way to put me right in the middle of the beef huh? We don’t comment on that, that's old news. Like I said all the negative energy all that sh*t you can throw that out the window.
Nas is crazy. No question that we are allies with Nas Escobar. We love Nas. I almost named my son after Nas. As far as him and Jay Z with the beef: that’s they stuff. Until somebody tries to involve me in that shit, that’s it. I ain’t got no problem with the whole Rocafella. It’s well documented. Everybody keeps trying to get me to talk about that shit in every interview. Why don’t they ask Jay Z that stuff? I read his interveiws, nobody asks him. If you interview him, ask him.

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garbage

Delete ILX

ILM ethered

that Nas verse upthread fucking sucks

except for the stupid/blueprint bars, it's basically Lou1s J@gger-worthy

Maybe Nas is actually Nude Spock?

ILM otm
ether is a half-decent diss and garbage song

that's a one poll loss every one poll average.

lol

This is some bullshit.

I would have voted Ether.

Most of the disses in Ether are weak

already an album called Blueprint = not interesting
thinks he gets girls because of his looks = jay-z makes fun of how girls thought he was ugly until he had money
gay-z/cockafella = ...
better than big = never actually said
whole chorus = extremely labored, not catchy, not all that clever

not to be all "Hey, stop being unfair to Jay-Z!" but Ether is a boring punchline song and the punchlines don't even land.

Can agree that Ether is mostly silly playground name-calling but it's waaaaay better since Nas puts son in place on so many tips:

What's sad is I love you 'cause you're my brother
You traded your soul for riches

My child, I've watched you grow up to be famous
And now I smile like a proud dad, watching his only son that made it

Is he Dame Diddy, Dame Daddy or Dame Dummy?
Oh, I get it, you Biggie and he's Puffy

And your man stabbed Un and made you take the blame
You ass, went from Jaz to hanging with Caine, to Herb, to Big

Shawn Carter to Jay-Z, damn you on Jaz dick

How much of Biggie's rhymes is gonna come out your fat lips?

You pop shit, apologize, nigga, just ask Kiss

All that kinda stuff. Ether wins.

the large professor/tec on your dresser jab >

What's sad is I love you 'cause you're my brother
You traded your soul for riches

My child, I've watched you grow up to be famous
And now I smile like a proud dad, watching his only son that made it

Is he Dame Diddy, Dame Daddy or Dame Dummy?
Oh, I get it, you Biggie and he's Puffy

And your man stabbed Un and made you take the blame
You ass, went from Jaz to hanging with Caine, to Herb, to Big

Shawn Carter to Jay-Z, damn you on Jaz dick

How much of Biggie's rhymes is gonna come out your fat lips?

You pop shit, apologize, nigga, just ask Kiss

All that kinda stuff. Ether wins.

-- a-tron, Saturday, August 25, 2007 1:43 AM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

All the digs are kind of lame - Jay-Z looks like a camel, Nas wasn't really a thug. Yawn.

Ether is a better song, Nas is a better rapper, Ether wins.

Takeover is a much better jam

"jam"

http://dailyrefill.blogs.com/daily/images/20040618_11.jpg

qed

http://www.bbc.co.uk/1xtra/tx/gallery/media/ap_jayz_macca_linkinpark_40.jpg

shaboy

Takeover all day.

Its not even close.

I voted Takeover. 2 things the Ether-boosters need to remember:

- Takeover was at best like the 5th or 6th most popular song from its album, there's really not a whole lot Stillmatic worth remembering or talking about besides Ether

- the Hot 97 call-in vote that people usually cite as proof that Nas "won" was between Ether and Super Ugly, so of course Ether won. curious how it would've turned out between Takeover and Ether.

Me too. I've always liked how Jay uses the first verse to set himself up as an unassailable force before he starts calling names, between that and the beat, which is some knocking-down-the-doors (npi) shit, "Takeover" sounds overwhelmingly confident, whereas "Ether" sounds withdrawn and petty.

jay-z had but 2 good lines in that whole half-dope gayne west track jack (every song he produced is overshadowed by what he stole ftw)

al: rewind, one mic-- jay needs a ghost writer in light of those trx that nas never cld have writ unless he banged some smack

ether is better than any jay song except hard knock life cuz of the chorus, u fucktards

nobody interjects shit within the chorus. that shit's crazy as a motherfucker

even though it's all gastfaced and shit. nas and jay both suck ass

except d'evils and very select moments from illmatic.

stop im-ing yourself.

al: rewind, one mic-- jay needs a ghost writer in light of those trx that nas never cld have writ unless he banged some smack

-- luriqua, Saturday, 25 August 2007 07:26 (5 hours ago) Link

^^^ truth

ether is hardly the only joint remembered off stillmatic + the other joints remembered off blueprint are bullshit like girls girls girls & renegade

you're da man, what goes around, the flyest

i dunno if youre being funny or whatever but 'the flyest' is hot

those are other trax beside one mic and ether that i like

</nas stan>

one mic is fuckin next level tho

fuck man, i like got urself a gun

http://g-ec2.images-amazon.com/images/G/01/ciu/66/38/96d1729fd7a0331db6d5e010._AA240_.L.jpg

rappers who freestyled over 'ether'

soulja slim
lil wayne
jeezy

rappers who freestyled over 'takeover'

camron
dude from linkin park

i'm glad gabbneb weighed in on this

where is gabbs sister souljah moment

the best jay diss ever was this track jaz did a few years ago, i only foudn it on some weirdo jay z fan site that would post streams of everything in the world even tangentially related to rocafella. anyway fuck jaz broke it down pretty hard....he's probably like the most underrated rapper ever. i liked that kingz county thing he put out a few years ago.

http://i.a.cnn.net/si/2006/writers/jenn_sterger/07/04/mailbag/p1_entourage.jpg

L-R: gabbneb, and what, am0n

wait, can you guys afford cable?

http://www.lappeenranta.fi/images/20060316104526.jpg

What's sad is I love you 'cause you're my brother
You traded your soul for riches

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3bANUSYOys

leaving for rock the bells soon! i hope nas does ether maybe that will change my opinion.

"Cause the nigga wear a coofie, it don't mean that he bright
Cause you don't understand him, it don't mean that he nice
It just means you don't understand all the bullshit that he write
Is it "Oochie Wally Wally" or is it "One Mic"?
Is it "Black Girl Lost" or shorty owe you for ice?"

uh, that should be "kufi" obv.

haha 'coofie'

uffie

Uffie Smacker

am0n otm about good tracks on stillmatic, i also like 2nd childhood

lol Dom

haha 'coofie'

-- deej, Saturday, 25 August 2007 20:00 (Yesterday) Link

c&p from lyrics site busted

i figured, its just a funny misspelling

Stillmatic = tracks 5-8 + "What Goes Around"

Or actually, that's me several years ago talking. I don't trust any opinion I formed prior to the past couple years. I need to reevaluate.

^

the other joints remembered off blueprint are bullshit like girls girls girls & renegade

Aw come on, I still hear Izzo and Heart of the City more than anything else (and Hola Hovito = most underrated Timbaland track???).

title track

Aw come on, I still hear Izzo and Heart of the City more than anything else (and Hola Hovito = most underrated Timbaland track???).

-- Jordan, Monday, August 27, 2007 1:51 AM

I also bump U Don't Know & The Ruler's Back on the regular.

And "All I Need"

"Song Cry" <-

Oh, and both "Girls, Girls, Girls" & "Renagade" are GREAT.

I will rep for Em on Renegade, but I can not in good conscience ride for Girls Girls Girls or Jay's verse on Renegade.

Your conscience is, like, broken or something.

jigga that nigga-> heart of the city

also, girls girls girls is hilarious

I got this paranoid chick, she's scared to come to the house
A hypochondriac who says ouch before I whip it out
Got a chick from Peru, that sniff Peru
She got a cousin at customs that get shit through
Got this weedhead chick, she always catch me doin shit
Crazy girl wanna leave me but she always forgets
Got this Chinese chick, had to leave her quick'
Cause she kept bootleggin my shit - man
I got this African chick with Eddie Murphy on her skull
She like, "Jigga Man, why you treat me like animal?"
I'm like excuse me Ms. Fufu, but when I met your ass
you was dead broke and naked, and now you want half

take that shit to the encyclopedia of racist products thread

A did you live in milwaukee/minneapolis??

take your shit to the bill o reilly identity crisis thread.

i've never lived/been to milwaukee/minneapolis (f you were asking me).

^ rude

??? which part

you're rude

luriqua vs. sargent

nah luriqua's cool. if luriqua's a real person of course.

U WANT REAL????? U WANNA BLACKOUT????? I'LL HANDLE YA, BITCH ASS DUDE. JUST NAME A SERVER, I'LL FRAG YA GAY ASS. WHAT!?

ethan and luriqua v. jordan sargent two-on-one ladder match no holds barred tonight on monday night raw

ban these fools

ban these fools

-- Hurting 2, Monday, 27 August 2007 16:04 (2 months ago) Bookmark Link

lol @ and what = turtle

ethan and luriqua v. jordan sargent two-on-one ladder match no holds barred tonight on monday night raw

-- Jordan Sargent, Monday, 27 August 2007 06:31 (2 months ago) Link

gay porn has gone too far

Takeover. "Ether" is too full of homosexual quips and weak disses

classic thread

anybody switched positions on this battle in the last ten years? I'm a big Nas fan, probably one of my favorite rappers, but I still can't stan for him on Ether. it has one of the worst choruses of any dis track ever, and at times he's equivalent to the "self-ohh"ing dude on that one Chappelle's show episode.

i am continuing my policy of having the correct opinion in this matter.

you know, i was thinking about this the other day cuz my brother put in 'the blueprint' on a road trip & seriously anyone that thinks "ether" is the answer here is a fucking idiot

^^^

^ rude

― luriqua, Monday, August 27, 2007 6:12 AM (3 years ago) Bookmark

Yoga Flame? Time for googling.

― Hoosteen (Hoosteen), Sunday, September 10, 2006 6:57 PM (4 years ago) Bookmark

hahahaa

for all time

i dunno if this is decided or whatever but it is "takeover" by just so incredibly much and it is utterly perplexing to me why rap writers continue to write that so-and-so "ethered" such-and-such instead of "took over".

nas gets credit for coining a genuinely cool phrase but the songs themselves/the disses therein aren't even close

Ether isn't even fun. it's like the scene in Godfather II wehre Fredo starts crying about how Michael shouldn't be taking care of him, and how he's smart too!

"Takeover" has like 2 dozen genuinely cool phrases.

"Nigga you ain't lived it, you witnessed it from your folks' pad
you scribbled in your notepad and created your life"

ethered >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> took over
takeover >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ether >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hit 'em up (worst song ever)

so with you until you dissed hit em up

hit 'em up (worst song ever)

― sammy bagels (a hoy hoy), Saturday, January 29, 2011 12:50 PM Bookmark

ban

ether> takeover

-- Jordan Sargent, Thursday, August 23, 2007 8:25 PM (19 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

I embrace ya'll with napalm

that post was a typo ftr

it has one of the worst choruses of any dis track ever

okay and "[name of 3rd tier weed holder], we runnin this rap shit" is a good chorus??

the real answer tho is that rap beefs are silly and always have been, except for maybe hit em up

eminem murdered jay on his own shit fyi

still convinced that ILM love for takeover is typical ILM contraristan bullshit. jay may have had cleverer lines but his delivery and the song itself were just so ehhhh.

i don't mind ether, but i like the overall easy, confident vibe of takeover better...

― M@tt He1ges0n, Friday, August 24, 2007 6:28 AM (3 years ago) Bookmark

I 'get' this but if you're gonna do a diss song you better come hard on the track. jay's sleepwalking delivery kills the song imo - if you're so cool and don't-give-a-shit about it, then why even lower yourself in the first place to record a diss track?

I guess you can choose takeover if you like reading rap song lyrics on the web instead of listening to them. \(O_o)/

also it's impossible to listen to the takeover nowadays without imagining jay going LOOOOOOOOVE in the background

alright, deej

if "monster" has that much of an impact on you you're probably unqualified to take place in this debate anyway

the chorus of Takeover is fun as hell dayo. and the intermittent vocals coming in that sing "LAMMMMMMMMMMME". the beat is simple enough that it doesn't get in the way of the lyrics, and it's bouncy and upbeat. The beat for Ether is overtly cinematic, and while not a bad beat, it's way too 'serious' sounding, almost a downer.

Also, Ether doesn't have anything anywhere near as awesome as "You was a ballerina, I got the pictures I seen ya", but everybody ignores that when debating Ether because it was a Prodigy diss.

"KRS already made an album called Blueprint" = so what, at least 11 other artists made an album called "I Am".

calling Jay-Z ugly = he knows he's ugly.

"Well life is harsh, hug me, don't reject me, or make records that disrespect me, blatant or indirectly" = waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah

also the repeated "fuck Jay-Z" crap is too blatant, Jay-Z only mentions Nas by name once in his, and mockingly calls him "God" at one point, which is awesome. Love that he also names the actual publishing company he paid for the sample, in essence saying "take it up w/ them dawg"!

also Nas only really gets one verse in the Jay-Z song...Nas spent his entire song trying to attack Jay-Z and failed.

also the repeated "fuck Jay-Z" crap is too blatant, Jay-Z only mentions Nas by name once in his, and mockingly calls him "God" at one point, which is awesome.

essentially why hit em up sucks and biggie 'won'

2pac: hey biggie is fat! lol!

rest of the world: well done, you have the insight of a 4 year old.

biggie: don't they know my nigga gutta kidnap kids, fuck 'em in they ass and throw them over the bridge

2pac: ...

[2pac exits stage right due to being shot by his own suge bear]

although...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gNEytWO851w

...

oh youtube

...

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Chino XL can't catch a break
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JAYBRoSKi 2 days ago 16

remember when "Kadafi" said Lil Cease was "stupid"?

Man he ethered him there. THE BRIDGE IS OVER

if "monster" has that much of an impact on you you're probably unqualified to take place in this debate anyway

lol, I don't spend all my time listening to gucci mane mistakes so I guess in unqualified...? ok

lol iPhone autocorrect - good choice

nas isn't really good at beef, he's too much of a weirdo artist IMO

hit 'em up is great, that beat knocks

no vaseline >>>> all of these songs

yeah, No Vaseline ftw

a hoy hoy is the worst poster on ilm

rev goin hard in da paint

"who shot ya" vs "hit em up" is just a sad argument altogether but whereas i think "takeover" is the better song AND the better diss, i think "who shot ya" is the better song (crazy writing) but "hit em up" is the better diss

The herb-izm on this thread is like, wow.

wow

rev i <3 you but sorry dawg, never going to get that lame brand '96 west coast shit

"still convinced that ILM love for takeover is typical ILM contraristan bullshit. jay may have had cleverer lines but his delivery and the song itself were just so ehhhh."

^^^what? this is like one of the timeless rap debates, having any position on this one isnt 'contraristanning' at all

i cant listen to ether or takeover any more but i still am inclined to side w/ M@tt on this one

how can you not listen to takeover? its basically kanyes best ever break w/ lols on top

jordan otm

Dude 96 west coast shit was awesome. All Eyez On Me is a classic

rev i <3 you but sorry dawg, never going to get that lame brand '96 west coast shit

― sammy bagels (a hoy hoy), Sunday, January 30, 2011 12:44 PM Bookmark

^^a dude playing himself

Lols cooooooold blooooded

a hoy hoy have you ever stopped to consider that maybe it is actually you that is lame? Think about it. I mean, which is more likely to be cool: Tupac Shakur or some British farmboy? Probably Pac.

I'm not a huge Pac fanboy but it is canonical proof that All Eyez on Me, Me Against the World, and Strictly 4 My Niggaz are classics.

Also makaveli 7-day theory is great. I'm an east coast head but Pac had it goin on in the mid 90s

West Coast '96 is pretty much ground zero for my rap appreciation.

So basically, THIS IS PERSONAL, MOTHERFUCKER.

my 'some fagz just dissed 2pac' alarm siren just went off and brought me to this thread.

lol '96 NY is mine so unless we can resurrect big and pac and have them shake hands...

Yeah, but I don't walk around dissing Biggie.

Or worse being all like "Oh, that '96 East Coast shit is so lame"!

biggest indicator of 96 cali hop quality is dre abandoning ship imo

it was! when was the last you thought "tha doggfather, now that is a dope record"

That impacted the Snoop album (which yeah, did suck) and....? haha xp

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWctgggCa94

So what so Doggfather sucked?

SO MANDATORY MY ELEVATION MY LYRICS LIKE ORIENTATION

SO YOU CAN BE MORE PREPARED FOR THA NIGGA YOU FACIN

^^^'96 xp

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4BEAatxJfrk

'96

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pxt2wSiCzqk

DoGG POUND TOO

'dogg food' was 95

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XqW_kJ00d5Q

oops meant 2 post this one
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpqS--MPAZM

Let's play houuuuuuuuuse

Xpost yea I know but I'm drunk numbas all blurrin togethta WHAT WOULD U DO IF u COUKD FUCK W ME OR MY CREW

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0JDt2hW__JU

96

the rompalation was '96
http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B000005BX8.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

Is he Dame Diddy, Dame Daddy or Dame Dummy?
Oh, I get it, you Biggie and he's Puffy

never understood this line

goon confessions

someone explain the diss

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L3TFGZlbxzs

young lay's 'black n dangerous' too

someone explain the diss

― dmr, Sunday, January 30, 2011 3:47 PM (11 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

saying jay wishes he and dame dash were biggie and puff

oh ok. that's it huh?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=paYuqwoEMbA

96

get yr sb ready: i've never really cared for e40

ok i've got a couple hours to kill, 3 beers and some chocolate - what albums should i be checking out?

rappin 4tay - ummm... dude sounds p chill on it - could bump this again.

Never heard a lot of 4-tay but his verse on "only god can judge me" is great and his song that does an interpolation of the spinners' "ill be around" is awes too

im a big 4tay fan. super underrated. ive been meaning to write something about '4 tha hardway' from 97 for a long time
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uWKXJuW9VFo

need to start a picture thread on that sort of awkward album art being awesome but dunno how to name it

i forgot, mac mall's 'untouchable' dropped in '96

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwoWZv-MyeE

we need some south central cartel itt

i wonder if mc eiht's 'death threatz' is any good

only eiht I have is we come strapped

'96 was kind of an off year for rappers on the west coast releasing LPs i suppose. it seems like 'all eyez on me' took up a lot of oxygen or something

yea idk too many people who wanted to complete with that release date. still remember the day they debuted the "California Love" vid on MTV (both versions of the song!)

I guess I just don't like that bouncy unfunky sound that evolved from warren g instead of dre?

waht

not followin'. "G Funk Era...Regulate" had quite a bit of funk, even if it wasn't Dre-esque G-funk.

"Do You See" and "This DJ" were fun singles....

ok maybe unfunky was the rong word. "breezy" as opposed to gangsta or whatever

this is the jaz diss track i mention upthread p good still, esp the last verse

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kObkabiv0j8&feature=related

^damn you on jaz dick

you know, i was thinking about this the other day cuz my brother put in 'the blueprint' on a road trip & seriously anyone that thinks "ether" is the answer here is a fucking idiot

― J0rdan S., Saturday, January 29, 2011 1:49 PM (2 days ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

Did you choke him out like Earl would?

too bad jigga couldnt sample pac saying 'fuck nas'

-- and what, Thursday, August 23, 2007 8:39 PM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

i will never forget how stupid this post is in my entire life

i grieve over it on long winter evenings

it's weird to think that the producers of these songs both ended up making candy-ass AutoTune rap

Ha. I'd just like to point out that "Pop Champagne" is all-time classic, fuiud.

Btw I didn't know he did "Ebonics" until recently!

excuse al he basically just contributes to shit on things

"candy-ass" is not a negative term, it's value neutral, like "dated"

hey al, fuck off

kanyes ass is literally made of candy

i think i'm done posting on this thread, but feel free to spend the next hour writing half a dozen posts to or about me again, deej.

feel free to suck my dick

"candy-ass" is not a negative term, it's value neutral, like "dated"

― some dude, Monday, January 31, 2011 9:23 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

^^^how can one man have all this power

^^^^your 'lols' lately are incomprehensible

really enjoying this new era where deej beefs with al instead of me. it must be like David Lee Roth felt just kicking back with a margaritia and enjoying a Van Hagar concert

hey deej i thought u were gonna be less aggro

^^^how can one man have all this power

admitting i lol'd @ this

hey man, i feel like i contribute a lot to the music discussions here, not trynna talk myself up or something cuz i dont think im the smartest dude or some shit like that, but i try to cover a lot of music that doesnt get talked about, and big up artists who i think are doing something novel & worthwhile but dont have the associated critical profile. I felt like al was taking shots at me for doing that & took it personally, especially since he basically only brings negative vibes on any thread hes in, and i think he wanted me to take it personally. as far as im concerned, hes being a dick & i called him on it. if he wants to keep 'zinging' me when i was trying to talk about music then this shit is lame & im just not gonna post. last time i took a brief break & came back & tried to stick to music & before long hes using it as an excuse to talk shit again. i get that this is what he 'does' but its annoying & detracts from useful conversations

imo

like, im sorry that i have a thin skin or whatever? but i do, so maybe he should be the bigger man & not be a dick constantly?

i have nothing to contrib to this dissection of the beef but i will say it feels appropriate that this is taking place in this thread

there is no 'discussion' im guessing

D.E.E.J., we runnin this ILX shit
Goon squad, we runnin this ILX shit
Chicago, we runnin this ILX shit
So many shrimp, we run this ILX shit

i really just wanted to say 'dissection of the beef' tbh

the correct answer to the o.p. is "takeover" btw

Y'all are so aggy today.

i was going to post an admonishing post then I remembereda ll of the threads a few years ago when i went ape on people and posted pics of skulls and people with heads blown off so I decided best to not throw stones in a glass house

rev i <3 you but sorry dawg, never going to get that lame brand '96 west coast shit

― sammy bagels (a hoy hoy), Sunday, January 30, 2011 2:44 PM (2 days ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

btw these are really anti-american, dangerous viewpoints and you are now on a federal watch list.

Ha well then I think we are going to have to stop being allies as it is p much a nationwide thing of not really caring for lol the suge years

Sucks that Death Row was the only 90s west coast label

xpost

it's all good...are you british? this could compromise the Special Relationship. i think bush and tony blair had a falling out about that kurupt double album.

Ruthless was even worse than post-Dre Row. And then everyone else was just on like Jive or whatever, right?

too bad jigga couldnt sample pac saying 'fuck nas'

-- and what, Thursday, August 23, 2007 8:39 PM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

i will never forget how stupid this post is in my entire life

i grieve over it on long winter evenings

― HOOS the master?? STEEN NUFF (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Monday, January 31, 2011 8:39 PM

huh?

Lol I wasn't being serious at all

Ruthless was even worse than post-Dre Row. And then everyone else was just on like Jive or whatever, right?

― if there is a King Kenny, apparently he is huge into slapstick. (a hoy hoy), Tuesday, February 1, 2011 10:48 AM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

man i think i'm gonna start like some hip hop retirement thread or something because it kinda blow my mind how often shit like this gets said about the golden age and it bums me out. maybe like a thread where i talk about king sun and king tee and stuff.

huh?

― am0n, Tuesday, February 1, 2011 4:50 PM (12 minutes ago) Bookmark

dude employed it more than once as an 'argument'

its stupid

Ruthless hand BTNH at that time and if you are a rap fan who doesn't like Bone, I hate you.

(Not West Coast except in spirit obv.)

ruthless had Above the Law and D.O.C. who put out albums on that label that i would put against any hip hop albums

was just checking out the Ruthless wiki and I didn't know that Will.I.Am got his start on Ruthless!

will's first appearance on wax!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJo0VpgVODM

<3 Rev being thread-gangsta itt

Seriously tho I don't even know a lot about west coast rap but wtf Death row would begin its downward descent in 96, there were way more labels doing quality west coast tho...

MC Eiht was on Epic then!

ether easily

ok ether vs. takeover is endlessly debatable, i mean my friends and i were just talking about this again a few days ago... but:

"Because you know who (who) did you know what (what)
with you know who (yeah) but just keep that between me and you for now"

jay-z won in real life

ultimately i think john densmore won this beef

Ruthless hand BTNH at that time and if you are a rap fan who doesn't like Bone, I hate you.

― smanging pumpkins (The Reverend), Tuesday, 1 February 2011 17:10 (5 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

we've done this before, we don't need to become the 90s rap equiv of deej and everyone else have opinions about brick squad mixtapes

you horribly misquoted rev btw

you left the italics off of the word 'hate'

as a pretty hardcore nas stan i never even gave jay's music the time of day when i was a kid out of loyalty, but listening to these two back to back i still think nas slays hov

posters be beefin

wow how did i never know k3ller was a nas stan

had a spark when you started but now you just garbage
fell from top ten zinger to not mentioned at all
to geir hongro's troll posts better than yours

wow how did i never know k3ller was a nas stan

― some dude, Tuesday, February 1, 2011 6:13 PM (7 minutes ago)

well this was age 13-18 or so, i don't really listen to him all the time anymore or anything & thus don't really post about him

Did you believe all the legends/myths believed by nas stans ?

we've done this before, we don't need to become the 90s rap equiv of deej and everyone else have opinions about brick squad mixtapes

― if there is a King Kenny, apparently he is huge into slapstick. (a hoy hoy), Tuesday, February 1, 2011 2:38 PM Bookmark

Not my fault you hate all the good rap.

i was/am a nas "stan" & he murdered hov itb *shrug*

we've done this before, we don't need to become the 90s rap equiv of deej and everyone else have opinions about brick squad mixtapes

― if there is a King Kenny, apparently he is huge into slapstick. (a hoy hoy), Tuesday, February 1, 2011 4:38 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

what does this even mean

loool

like, im sorry that i have a thin skin or whatever? but i do, so maybe he should be the bigger man & not be a dick constantly?

― *kl0p* (deej), Tuesday, February 1, 2011 10:39 AM (Yesterday) Bookmark

this is a beautiful post

u can get off my dick too

must be huge if you can fit all three of them on it at the same time

omg

must be huge if you can fit all three of them on it at the same time

― pf smangs (San Te), Tuesday, February 1, 2011 10:40 PM (38 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

dont deny the mountain lol

btw listening to take over right now this shit is

LAAAAAME

neither of these is as good as 'last real nigga alive' imo

which has the best combo of nas being super-butthurt/contemplative + 90s rap gossip

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zkH-x7yZagI

im not a huge 9th stan but this rmx was :O
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9AT7A9aJHDw

doesnt rlly work with the rapping tho

I came across this old post which I feel is relevant to this thread's latest tangent:

I find the tepid initial responses to "G Thang" interesting, too. As far as I'm concerned, as someone a bit younger, there is no initial response because it's been ubiquitous for as long as I've been actively listening to music. Also, for me the g-funk era is kind of the heyday, as that was the dominant strain when I first started listening to rap. Sure there was the East Coast hardcore contingent, too, but you didn't hear that on the radio here and most of that stuff flew completely over my head when I was 10/11/12 anyways. I never got into Wu-Tang until well after the fact. G-funk wasn't a subgenre of rap to me, it was what rap sounded like, all the other things were the outliers. Of course, I'm sure a lot of this has to do with growing up on the West Coast during the peak of West Coast rap's popularity. Weirdly, or maybe not so weirdly, around 95/96 when I first started listening to the radio/watching MTV a lot, I probably heard more Southern rap than East Coast. I guess in those days it just as present as a few years later at the beginning of the "Dirty South boom" (but certainly not so much as today), but went mostly unacknowledged.

― The Reverend, Sunday, September 9, 2007 7:08 PM Bookmark

heh my experience was pretty much opposite yours Rev - when I first started listening it was illmatic and reasonable doubt, and then some talib kweli/mos def stuff, eminem. in fact, I would wager that I still probably haven't willfully heard a G-funk song.

I never even knew about either of those albums until the Blueprint/Stillmatic era.

The only East Coast rap songs I remember getting played on the radio here in 96 are "If I Ruled the World" (first Nas song I ever heard) and the singles from LL Cool J's Mr. Smith. From 97 on, radio here seemed a lot more friendly to East Coast rap though.

Well like 97-03.

I dunno if I ever actively listened to radio in middle or high school :/ I do remember stuff like puffy, juvenile, master P, busta etc. being popular in high school

I started listening to music and more importantly, paying attention to music in about '99. Inherited copies of The Score, Life After Death, It Was Written, Ill Na Na etc. from my sister as she fucked off around the world. First copy of the Source I bought had Redman on the cover. First copy of HHC I bought had Rah Digga and the Outsidaz on the cover (lol. also reviewed Operation: Doomsday and give it a perfect score and made it sound like something I would spend years looking for). Radio played Jay-Z, Outkast DMX, Eminem, Lil Kim, 'Special Delivery', Mos Def, Method Man etc. Westwood, once upon a time the only way to really hear new hip-hop was more likely to play Hot Boys or Iconz or UGK or Three 6 Mafia something weird* and Southern than something west tbh.

*or so it seemed at the time.

I know a lot of this comes from the fact that post-Pac's death was a pretty big lull in which the west coast tried to run away from Suge's mess but I just come from the exact opposite of where Rev did. And eh, none of that stuff seems to knock as hard or have as much charisma or rapping abillity or write lyrics as well as their East coast counterparts.

apparently the pic of Prodigy from 1988 was actually a pic of him from about 1982. thinking hiphop needs its own version of factcheck.org .

I've been fucked over, left for dead, dissed and forgotten
Luck ran out, they hoped that I'd be gone, stiff and rotten
Y'all just piss on me, shit on me, spit on my grave (uh)
Talk about me, laugh behind my back but in my face

this is just 4 lines of the same shit, and the first two are Seussian

"laugh behind my back but in my face" lol

p sure I said it before but Ether is the most disappointing diss Nas could have come up with, so many weak rhymes (literally, lines that do not rhyme properly) and those homophobic punches are just so beneath Nas

"Gay-Z and Cock-a-Fella Records", take it to the gaydiohead thread you doofus

"Takeover" is an actual fun good song with a memorable beat and hook that I actually listen to for outside of its context as a dis record
I can't imagine listening to "Ether" for pleasure

"laugh behind my back but in my face" lol

?? enjambment cut off there next line is "yall some well wishers, friendly acting, envy hiding snakes"

Nas might have been a good rapper if it had been somebody there to drop a flowerpot on his head every day of his life.

xp. yeah that bit is actually good lol.

terrible revive

nah it sucks dogg

I cut it off at 4 lines to end it where the rhyme comes in, not to suggest that this is where the line actually ended. he just repeats the same whiny shit in this verse.

"sticking to themes' A+

honestly neither of them are very good. I remember when they both came out, and Nas' was clearly superior simply because he brought a bazooka to a knife fight. the arguments in Takeover's favor about Jay's nonchalance & only mentioning Nas in one verse make sense to me now. the homophobic stuff in Ether obviously sinks it. but he definitely "won." I'm glad no one died this time.

Specifically both choruses are sooooo fuckin weak.

"takeover" rocks excuse me

it's better than Ether, but it's too long and the "LAAAAAAME" choir is... lame

"Takeover" is an actual fun good song with a memorable beat and hook that I actually listen to for outside of its context as a dis record
I can't imagine listening to "Ether" for pleasure
otm

still "Takeover"

and yet everybody I know IRL votes Nas, even my best friend.

Genuinely thought this was a Gang of Four vs. Bad Brains thread

xpost- everyone you know irl is wrong lol

lol Boring

i wonder what in-his-prime Jay-Z woulda done (if anything) with all of Nas's "King's Disease albums"

that's a two arthritic diseases every ten year average

Ofc ether gets ethered; the real challops is that takeover is the only good song on the blueprint

lol damn fine challop there as i just had to delete a longass post about how wrong it is

"ether" isn't and never was a good song. it's vicious, sure, but if you remove the homophobia there are maybe four bars left

slowly loading up this ammo
To explode it on a camel

My child, I've watched you grow up to be famous
And now I smile like a proud dad, watching his only son that made it
You seem to be only concerned with dissing women
Were you abused as a child, scared to smile, they called you ugly?
Well life is hard, hug me, don't reject me

Nas has been horrible for 24 years or so. The gross misogyny. The absence of humor. The guy is a cancer on hip hop.