Defend the Indefensible: Glenn Frey

"Sexy Girl" is just pathetic. When I reconsider why I despise my least favorite band of all time, I realize that Glenn Frey's voice and songs have much to do with it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wiygf5b5zC0

this is not a defense

"Disco Strangler"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=43RxoAcWIBQ

is this better than Billy Joel's "River Of Dreams" in that its easier to forget? Is that a defense?

true, he sang many of my least favorite Eagles tunes ("Already Gone", Heartache Tonite", etc) but he also sang many of my most favorites ("Lyin' Eyes", "New Kid In Town")...and who among us doesn't like to "Take It Easy" every now and again?...plus, he's a Michigan boy...'nuff said!

"Are you going to stay with the one who loves you, or are you going back to the one you love?"

Sounds like someone who learned from the "you can spend all your time making money, you can spend all your money making time" school of songwriting.

so that's where "got my mind on my money, and my money on my mind" comes from...

I await the inevitable Who's Your Favorite Eagle poll.

My vote: Walsh. Second place vote: Felder

I'd plunk for the "sixth Eagle": J.D. Souther

When I reviewed an Eagles show a few years ago Glenn Frey wore a pink sports coat without a trace of smugness. That's a compliment!

masculine confidence...another plus!

But wasn't "Disco Strangler" actually one of Henley's, Shakey? He sang it, after all. Great track either way. Not that it matters, really: one great track and a coupla decent '60s garage singles on Hideout aren't enough to rectify the man's eternal status as the most boring musician Michigan ever produced. Too dull to hate, even.

(And "Miami Vice" always sucked massively.)

YouTube doesn't own any of Frey's masterful workout tapes.

My dad went to a Cheech and Chong wrap party in the 80s where Frey jammed on guitar while a midget played drums and OJ and Nicole Simpson mingled in the back.

This was the wrap party he made after he missed the gayest party in the history of the modern Western world (The Village People's Can't Stop The Music's wrap party/concert in San Francisco, circa 1979). Thank God!

Glen Frey was the main reason why the first two Eagles albums were their best. Later, he came up with such gems as "Lyin Eyes".

I am usually not a fan of country, but The Eagles were always better when they made country-tinged music. And Frey was the one who provided those songs.

If Otis Redding had not perished 20 years earlier and if Glenn Frey he might have covered some of those songs on Soul Searchin'. Minus G.F.'s voice and the substantial barrier of VH-1 1989 production, the songs aren't the worst.

Plus, Frey is a class act on this show compared to the act that comes before him.

cut that "if Glenn Frey" above, and now that I see the video afterwards too, I think Glenn has the best of these three "r&b" videos from 1988.

he did the mellow early 70s country rock thing well (his rockers, esp. late eagles and solo career, SUCK)

I actually remember "True Love." Then and now it sounds like a shameless bid for Steve Winwood bread.

Makes Johnny Rivers look like James Brown

He's not even "beneath contempt", he's beyond it.

Still, he makes more money than I do.

JD Souther could write a better wistful country jam than Glen Frey any day of the week, with one hand tied behind his back, blindfolded

Actually Disco Strangler is usually the reason I cite for the Eagles' suckage - Frey's in the writing credits, but yeah I don't know what for specifically

But listen: with whom would you rather be seated on a 24-hour flight to, say, New Zealand: Don Henley, Joe Walsh, or Glenn fuckin' Frey?

who's got the blow??

RIP dude

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/jan/18/glenn-frey-eagles-guitarist-dies-67/

always had good hair

Well, y—ah, fuck

takin' it easy with james dean in heaven.

No Funeral Allowed

old school until the end. no excuses. no quarter. full throttle. livin' the life.

http://ll-media.tmz.com/2014/01/09/010914-tmz-tv-glenn-primary-1200x630.jpg

not dead?
http://en.mediamass.net/people/glenn-frey/deathhoax.html

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TRwPhBLh3hs

No hoax. Complications due to a litany of illnesses, it reads.

It's all about some elaborate tax loophole if he can be dead for 24 hours.

No longer living, right?

Funny how Henley's statement mentions Irving Azoff instead of other Eagles.

Didn't know he named two of his sons "Deacon" and "Otis".

I think he named a son Fish.

yeah, youngest kid. Nicknamed him "Small"

restless kid, named Stir.

Sweet Potato

the introverted one was called Deep.

Stephin Merritt pays tribute:

Glenn Frey’s importance -- at least in my life, and probably in the lives of most people -- is, in a way, more important than the entire gay rights movement. Frey is about the freedom to have any identity you want, not just gendered. Recently divorced guy, import/export manager in over his head -- it’s all tied together, and it’s all sorts of fun.

the introverted one was called Deep.

― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, January 18, 2016 4:41 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

In a way, I've always been waiting for this day.

Some people, they just don't get a joke.
Glenn Frey

“I was riding shotgun in a Corvette with a drug dealer on the way to a poker game. And the next thing I knew we’re going about 90 miles an hour, holding - big time. I say, ‘Hey, man, what are you doing?’ And he looked at me and he grinned and he goes, ‘Life in the fast lane.’ And I thought, immediately, Now there’s a song title.”

“Don and I were fans of hidden deeper meaning. You write songs and you send them out to the world … and maybe there’s some stuff in that song that’s just yours, that they’re never gonna figure out.”

hidden AND deeper

chug all night, old friend.

Vulture: I'm curious about this philosophy that you have: "Deep Hidden Meaning," or "DHM." In your autobiography, you describe it as "understanding the song's DNA and seeing it from many angles." It seems to be the secret ingredient in all of your hits. Could you elaborate on that a little more?

Nile Rodgers: It's what I call understanding a song's core truth. Once you understand its core truth, then you know when you're telling the story or not, whether you're telling the truth or lying. When I produce records, I always say that I make a record the same way you drive a car. You look down the road, and if the car is going straight, you don't have to steer. So, if you know what you're doing, you know that you're headed in the right direction. But if you don't know what the song's core truth is, you don't know when you're violating its reality.

Glenn Frey: Our lives are changing, this old world keeps turning. And I sit here and wonder, baby, what we're really learning.

XPS It wasn't just a poker game, it was an EAGLES poker game...

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/670xX/photos/gfreymug1.jpg

never forget:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v242/ozeagle/Solo%20Years/RockHard.jpg

Satellite radio turned one of its stations into an all-Bowie channel for a week in his honor. I think the right thing to do in this case is convince radio to go a whole week without playing the Eagles. You know, a moment of silence.

Satellite radio should play solo Frey all week.

Finally, an Eagles reunion I can look forward to.

Kind of amazed they didn't already have an all-Eagles station, but then again, royalties .

That cause of death is perplexing. I guess he must've had intestinal resection surgery last month and then post surgical complications? As one of ilx's colitis/crohns stars I find myself rather curious

well there is number two, RIP.

The 7th grader in me will always love Smuggler's Blues. RIP

Need to free up an hour or two of reading time when the Lefsetz letter lands.

No. You need to free three hours to watch the Eagles doc.

^^ it's surprisingly worthwhile. The douchiest protagonists reveal no sense of self-awareness whatsoever, to a consistently entertaining degree.

Who's left to do the tribute? JD, Waddy, Jackson ... Can Linda still sing?

Randy Newman?

Think big...GARTH BROOKS

And Dave Grohl , of course.

Gregory Decker 7 minutes ago
Damn, Glenn Frey really knows how to liven an atmosphere if you're on a date. RIP.

Grohl/Zac Brown Band "Smugglers Blues"

See, I told you all Eagles were the music of Ned's people:

http://i.imgur.com/AjUaVfA.png

RIP South of Sunset star

RIP

For whatever it's worth it doesn't feel right that you're not around

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55rg38sJLu8

http://i.imgur.com/AT4Ut5C.png

Wow, he actually is dead and it's not some ILX yukfest.

http://i.imgur.com/2EeJhRU.png

RP: https://vimeo.com/76572721

Sgt. Slaughter's still around!?!?!

It's kind of fascinating that all these sad tweets and posts are coming from pretty much everybody who did not post about David Bowie. Were there any two more diametrically opposed white guys ruling in the seventies?

Reagan and Andropov

lol 80s

At least you could find a picture of those two in the same frame.

somewhere Don Henley is thinking he got his revenge on Mojo Nixon

Not sure about that tbh. I think I was reading today about Bowie and his supposed antithesis in the 70s... but, for the life of me, I can't remember who the antithesis was... not Glenn Frey, for sure. (xp)

xp I don't think Reagan and Andropov ever met in person, did they?

I kept thinking last week how most casual Bowie fans might think of him as an 80s star.

Heh, probably a few who think of Glenn Frey the same way.

Who knew what anybody in the Eagles was called?

Don Henley
Don Felder
Don Frey
Don Fagan
Jeff Porcaro

Also ripe for thinkpieces: polar opposites Don McLean and Donald Fagen arrested for domestic violence the same week.

Hadn't heard about McLean.

Frey's myriad crimes >>> people who "hate the Eagles" based almost entirely on that one scene in The Big Lebowski

To be clear: not defending the Eagles (though "I Can't Tell You Why" is a jam, fuck yall) or Frey, just pointing out that a lot of people who claim to "hate the fuckin' Eagles, man" probably couldn't name three Eagles songs.

Not sure why the Eagles remain the corporate rock scapegoat in these strange times of poptimism and $45 Lana Del Rey vinyls, anyway

ILX is not a place where "people hate the Eagles".

XP Lana Del Rey sang about listening to the Eagles on her last $45 vinyl.

these strange times of straw men and Eagles CDs for a penny on Amazon.

http://i.imgur.com/3R7mUwK.png

wasted time

A man with hands as cold as ice.

"yeah, Glenn, this is Dave from the club. Uh... we had to put Bowie on second, you'll go on after him. Yeah, I know... Well, our sound guy needs to go home at midnight, but the door guy can watch the levels for you... Yeah, I'm real sorry, man... is 10% of the door OK?"

http://i.imgur.com/IFQcZWa.jpg

His head looks very photoshopped in that picture.

See, I told you all Eagles were the music of Ned's people:

Wait hold on

such a lovely place.

His head looks very photoshopped in that picture.

― carl agatha, Monday, January 18, 2016 8:32 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Dude literally had a huge fucking head.

is this a particularly bad month for old musicians or does it just seem that way?

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/150616192218-donald-trump-presidential-announcement-supercut-tsr-vo-00000002-large-169.jpg

"As Glenn himself said: 'Ask any DEA man, he'll say there's nothing we can do / From the office of the President right down to me and you.' That's right. And I say no more. The American people say no more. We're gonna change that."

wow, I never knew:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8lIOv9ieoME&sns=fb

Frey's myriad crimes >>> people who "hate the Eagles" based almost entirely on that one scene in The Big Lebowski

do people really dislike the eagles? i mean hating on the individuals is easy, but so many jams to hate.

glenn and i grew up in the same neighborhood of detroit and even shared a piano teacher. <3

I managed to avoid listening to the Eagles on purpose my entire life, even as a kid when I might not have known an better. (I know I listened to "The Heat is On," because I had the "Beverly Hills Cop" soundtrack, also because I didn't know any better.) I'm not even sure I knew much about the Eagles when I was growing up record-buying age in the early '80s, at least not beyond "Hotel California" and a couple of the rockers, and it wasn't until recently that I even knew "I Can't Tell You Why" was them; I thought it was like, Alan Parsons Project or something. But I have a couple of friends a bit older than me, pushing or around 50, and they've told me stories of being stuck in the back of the car on family trips in the '70s, listening to the radio, and having the Eagles come on, again and again, over and over, the same songs, until it felt like being force-fed. I suspect a lot of that generation bought the "Greatest Hits" out of a sort of Stockholm Syndrome. Anyway, at least one of those friends described the Eagles to me as the first time he recognized something as corporate rock, a product being aggressively pushed and sold, with each new release bigger, more brazen and more unavoidable. I could imagine that driving me nuts, too, in the limited-choice era or the part of the country he was in, with stuff like the Eagles his only option and still being shoved down his throat.

i need to see this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eysYg_2ybxk

http://i.imgur.com/rd52Dln.png

lol eagles madlibs

I hoped it was my Lyin Eyes, but it's true: St Peter has a New Kid in Town. I Can't Tell You Why. I'll Be Home for Christmas NOT happy holidays!

You Belong to the City, but you've got the Smuggler's Blues, because the Heat is On. But some like it hot, so let's turn up the heat till we fry. (RIP Robert Palmer)

I'd say the hate the Eagles zeitgeist goes further back than The Big Lebowski, after all the Young Ones did that same joke I believe ironically in the same episode Motorhead appeared.

i don't think lebowski invented the eagles/creedence dichotomy; in my eyes it just crystallized things a lot of people were already feeling.

as far as the eagles go, i like bernie, and not just for "journey of the sorcerer".

Never forget:

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XleejI7xRtU

going back further than Big Lebowski:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wm-o7_VVAoU

lol yes prior to 1997 absolutely everybody loved the Eagles

Keith Morris:

The way that I met Greg Ginn was through his younger sister, Erica, while I was working at this record store, Rubicon, on Pier Avenue in Hermosa Beach in 1975. The gentleman who owned the record store, Michael, had a mad crush on Erica. So Greg Ginn would walk down to the record store with his sister—and Erica and Michael would go off to do whatever young lovers do—hold hands and watch the seagulls fly or the surfers on Hermosa Beach. You know, they’d get lunch or beer or cigarettes, and I would be left to run the record store while Greg Ginn hung around, waiting for his sister.

They were always playing Joni Mitchell and Linda Ronstadt and the Eagles and the first three Springsteen records and Lindsay Buckingham and Stevie Nicks in the record store, and I wasn’t real excited about listening to them. What was happening, as this music was being played, was the seeds of my musical rebellion were starting to come to fruition.

I thought, I’m not into any of this. I need to be listening to Black Sabbath, I need to be listening to Raw Power by Iggy and the Stooges, I need to be listening to the New York Dolls, and I need to be listening to power trios blasting off, trying to remove my skull!

second half of The Long Run was like removing my skull iirc

Pretty sure the Eagles were hate figures for punks, bloated corporate rock dinosaurs or whatever.

That Keith Morris quote is telling too. If the Eagles represented both "peaceful easy feeling" and making millions from that, then Belushi smashing the guitar and so on vilified it, or at least showed it as bullshit.

On January 18, 2016, Frey died at the age of 67 in New York City of complications from rheumatoid arthritis, acute ulcerative colitis, and pneumonia while recovering from intestinal surgery.

"Warm smell of colitis rising up through the air"

ouch!

I was listening to Lana Del Rey's Honeymoon (on $10 CD, not $45 vinyl) last night for the first time this year, and would you believe she references Bowie AND the Eagles, respectively, in back to back songs? Can you say, 'Black Widow'?

lol yes prior to 1997 absolutely everybody loved the Eagles

― Οὖτις, Tuesday, January 19, 2016 11:34 AM (46 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this guy. Big Lebowski only gave voice to what MANY MANY people desperately thought to themselves in silence

They were always playing Joni Mitchell and Linda Ronstadt and the Eagles and the first three Springsteen records and Lindsay Buckingham and Stevie Nicks in the record store, and I wasn’t real excited about listening to them. Whether something was interesting musically wasn't really my deal, I mainly wanted to know was it fast and did it have distortion. Sabbath had some slow ones but, you know, aggression. It's the only aesthetic value.

lol yes prior to 1997 absolutely everybody loved the Eagles

― Οὖτις, Tuesday, January 19, 2016 11:34 AM (41 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

That isn't what I said (although, you know, they sure did sell a lot of records). What I mean is that your average twentysomething who hates the Eagles is (far) more likely to hate them because s/he thinks s/he is supposed to hate them, and not because they actually suck. I'm not excusing the band's myriad crimes against music, taste, etc, but it's strange how they remain the go-to whipping boy for bloated corporate cocaine-Rogaine rock, while meanwhile my local record store can't seem to keep the deluxe editions of Tusk, Dark Side Of The Moon and Born To Run in stock. Eagles are and have always been low hanging fruit, but I guess I just don't see why your average millennial would single them out, specifically. Which brings us back to Lebowski.

Bury The Indefensible: Glenn Frey

I don't know any millenials who have a) seen the Big Lebowski or b) hate the Eagles, but will ask around my world of young people

yr average twentysomething was probably 6yo when the Big Lebowski came out

I mainly wanted to know was it fast and did it have distortion

like y'know, "Life in the Fast Lane"

I mean it's true the west coast punk ethos does mostly break down to aggression = BEST but there were some other things going on under there and imo a lot of their anger/aggression/reaction to LA's 70s rock mafia was justified

says this guy that still hates the Eagles and Fleetwood Mac (Joni and Dennis Wilson are another story)

I don't know any millenials who have a) seen the Big Lebowski or b) hate the Eagles, but will ask around my world of young people

― Οὖτις, Tuesday, January 19, 2016 12:32 PM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yr average twentysomething was probably 6yo when the Big Lebowski came out

― Οὖτις, Tuesday, January 19, 2016 12:33 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Yeah, no reason to believe the college kids I see buying Bob Marley, Animal House and Tupac posters on a daily basis would have seen one of the most popular cult films of the century. Bet they wouldn't know Stewie Griffin from Daffy Duck, either.

was it in the hotel california book where there is the anecdote of glenn and don standing outside sunset blvd clubs and laughing at the glam kids? it stuck with me. that book is so depressing.

yr strawman needs more straw

xp

XP

In that Charles M. Young RS piece from '79, there's a bit about Don'n'Glenn heckling a 'Punk/New Wave' band at the Troubadour.

bob marley yes, tupac probably, animal house not so much

i don't think i truly hated the eagles until "Get Over It", which was pretty inescapable for awhile

then i came around a bit on some of their "deep cuts" but everyone on the listening thread is a braver person than i

xp yeah well, the store where I work is in a midsize college town, right across from the university. No one there is buying Honest Jon's comps or Visionist LPs or whatever, so maybe it's just an uncool place, populated by scarecrows

Reminiscing proves to be difficult because of the decibel level of the Rubber City Rebels, an Akron band doing – is it possible? – oldies from the Golden Age of Punk.

"In '72, the punks had long hair and wore cowboy boots," yells Henley over the Rebel's version of "Sonic Reducer" by the Dead Boys.

"They don't look so tough. They look like dorks," shouts Frey over "God Save the Queen" by the Sex Pistols.

Henley throws down a couple more beers and makes a game attempt at nostalgia. "The first time I saw Linda Ronstadt, she was standing right there, scratching her ass," he says, but something else is obviously fevering his brow. He drains another brew and announces, "I think any Flying Burrito Brother could whip any Rubber City Rebel."

When the set ends, Henley strides over to one of the spiky-haired Rebels. I can hear only bits of the conversation, but Henley appears to be implying rather strongly that punks are less than masculine, can't sing harmony, don't care we're all dying of radiation leakage, and their mothers do it with armadillos. They square off briefly, but the punk slinks away when he sees Frey and me.

Read more: http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/the-eagles-hell-is-for-heroes-19791129#ixzz3xiKPpTbz

I don't know any millenials who have a) seen the Big Lebowski

― Οὖτις, Tuesday, January 19, 2016 12:32 PM (14 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

LOL

lol @ Henley telling a punk band they can't sing harmony. I wonder if he goes to baseball games and heckles the teams for not playing football.

True to form in that ^^ profile:

Stress, not original sin, however, is Henley's earthly explanation for his malady as an accupressurist manipulates his spine – a nightly ritual so he can play the drums without wincing. "It's the price you pay for being sensitive," says Henley, prostrate and shirtless on a folding table. "You are, of course, going to get the humor in my voice as I said that."

Glenn Frey pops in the door of the trailer and announces, "I just met two wives of the Milwaukee Brewers. One of them was perfect."

i just asked 2 millenials i work with (23 & 24) - they have seen the Big Lebowski and enjoy it

they have also seen the original Star Wars Episode IV: A New Hope, which came out in the 70s

one knew David Bowie somewhat from checking out his later work, one knew "Changes" and recognized the Fame and Let's Dance riffs from samples but not the actual songs

they both like Seinfeld a lot

yes but do they hate the Eagles

Please continue your studies and see if they've discovered fire or the wheel yet.

Maybe poke them with a stick?

recognized the Fame and Let's Dance riffs from samples but not the actual songs

solitary posts that sum up 21st century music

"Warm smell of colitis rising up through the air"

― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Tuesday, January 19, 2016 11:06 AM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

haaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

Should I take the gloves off because he's been dead for less than 24 hours? Like it was ok when he was alive since he could've defended himself?

Hell no. Roach threw the first punch with that Take It Easy crap and going on from there for 40 years.

Gonna save my piss for Henley's grave tho'

Glenn not only had the knowledge, the wisdom, the insight and the soul to understand that, he actually implemented that," Ellwood says. "A lot of the myth of rock & roll is that it's seat of your pants. . .but these guys worked hard. And Glenn had a vision."

It was a vision for both the band's albums and Ellwood's film. She says that when her team approached Frey with audio of his infamous onstage blowup with Felder in 1980 — in which Frey threatens to kick the guitarist's ass — he offered no hesitation in using it in the documentary.

"We told Glenn we had it, and he said, 'Go for it, man,'" Ellwood says. "He was brave."

I enjoy the music of the Eagles, I am, at 31 years old, technically a millennial.

Completely impossible to care about any of the members dying though.

http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/music/posts/la-et-ms-glenn-frey-influence-dawes-father-john-misty-jenny-lewis-20160119-story.html

They were always playing Joni Mitchell and Linda Ronstadt and the Eagles and the first three Springsteen records and Lindsay Buckingham and Stevie Nicks in the record store, and I wasn’t real excited about listening to them. Whether something was interesting musically wasn't really my deal, I mainly wanted to know was it fast and did it have distortion. Sabbath had some slow ones but, you know, aggression. It's the only aesthetic value.
― tremendous crime wave and killing wave (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Tuesday, January 19, 2016 5:23 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I don't think Keith is speaking for anyone other than his adolescent self nor claiming that his adolescent self's passion for aggression was particularly wise or insightful. He gave me a similar quote a few years back for my Black Flag book and implied pretty heavily that his tastes were much broader now, though its possible he still doesn't like the Eagles much, I don't know, is that allowed?

I always found em pretty boring myself, after finding my dad's Eagles cassettes deep in the darker corners of his tape collection, though I loved the song that was adapted for the HHGTTG theme. They were totally ruined for me after the guitarists in a friend's teenage covers band spent an entire afternoon trying (and failing) to nail the twin guitar solo in Hotel California. But my dad was a big fan of The Heat Is On, and especially Sexy Girl.

the only link i've seen on facebook about glenn frey (vs the dozens i saw about bowie) was this one:

http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/music/glenn-frey-death-sad-eagles-lousy-band-article-1.2501461

"glenn frey death sad eagles lousy band article" -- sounds right

Hal Willner:

2 Things to be Thankful to the Eagles for: Glen Frey and his band with Henley , Walsh and all was very important to a lot of people - many that I respect - I've been met Joe Walsh a bit and he is a lovely funny man. I am sorry to see yet another important artist die so young --- that all said I personally had no use for the music of the Eagles and honestly actively disliked it - whatever let's appreciate two things - one is Tom Waits' ol 55" which they covered and was a massive hit which probably was very helpful to Tom's career and I'm sure his early finances (considering his management at the time this is not certain) and he is one of the great artists of our time so many kudos to Glen and co for that . Secondly in my theories of the pioneers and initial emotions of punk music , I would say that in the uK it was largely fueled by economics and politics and in the US it was a revolt against what became mainstream music of which the Eagles was a serious culprit and singled out in many an interview by musicians in that movement . So that hearing "Taking it Easy" or "Hotel California" way too many times could have ignited the rage of people who created all that great energy that We got to hear at Max's, Hurrahs, CBGB etc. is cause for us to give thanks to Glen and company - respect .

As much as I've enjoyed reading many of the obits and tributes from some of the/you usual suspects, kind of irks me how few note how beholden Frey and Henley, both solo and in the Eagles, were to outside songwriters and ringers for most/many of their hits. Souther, Browne, Jack Tempchin, Danny Kortchmar ... give Frey and Henley credit for recognizing the songs that work for them, whether from outside pros or within the band, and for shaping lyrics to match, but those dudes often really needed someone to bring the bread and butter before they assembled their boring sandwiches.

Not sure how fair of an observation that is, given that Frey and/or Henley wrote all but two of the songs on Their Greatest Hits (1971–1975) and all but two on Hotel California.

co-wrote, I should have said.

I know what Josh is saying. In the Eagles listening thread, we learned that the number of middling to awful Frey-Henley songs >> fail to middling Tempchin, Kortchmar, Souther, Browne, etc cowrites. But it doesn't matter.

As a millennial who saw The Big Lebowski, hearing "I hate the fueling eagles" was like... FINALLY someone had the guts to actually come out and saw it.

heh.. fueling. You know what I mean

xpost Agree that it ultimately doesn't matter. Just irks me that those guys have songwriter cred they don't really deserve. When there are three guys credited to a song, and the third is a professional hired-hand songwriter, it's safe to say Frey and Henley's songwriting smarts lay at least as much in finagling credit as contributing music/lyrics. And again, don't want to discount the skill needed to recognize good source material when you hear it. Whether the "Hotel California" or "Life in the Fast Lane" riffs from their bandmates or Jackson Browne's unfinished "Take It Easy," Frey and Henley had sharp ears.

yr average twentysomething was probably 6yo when the Big Lebowski came out

Without checking, only a tenth.

With checking, none.

we are aware of the concept of home video, right?

The film came out in '98

Please continue your studies and see if they've discovered fire or the wheel yet.

― flappy bird, Tuesday, January 19, 2016 12:28 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Maybe poke them with a stick?

― flappy bird, Tuesday, January 19, 2016 12:29 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

no poking necessary they are my "friends", which are...geez well how to explain?

Posted by Josh in Chicago on the Springsteen thread:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-h3ubC3PkTo

Still think he could have hit "Smuggler's Blues" out of the park - the phrasing, the details in the lyrics, plus his much fuller voice.

Oh, here's the whole thing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=7&v=05ZF3Tjzki8

i'm glad that tho i've only seen maybe 14 Seinfeld episodes i will refer to that once ubiquitous crap song as "Witchaaayyy Woman."

The biggest Lebowski fan i know was born in '78; that's close to millennial, right? Not sure where he stands on the Eagles, but he's def into The Wedding Present and Nick Cave.

Not sure where he stands on the Eagles, but he's def into The Wedding Present and Nick Cave.

I'm going to guess he's ... anti-Eagles.

ran that through yr program pretty fast

he's from Texas so you never know

The biggest Lebowski fan i know was born in '78; that's close to millennial, right?

watch it, buddy

forgot about The H is O.

http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/540b145e5d/the-h-is-o-a-short-by-adam-mckay-from-adam-ghost-panther-mckay-will-ferrell-jimmy-fallon-and-ben-stiller?_cc=__d___&_ccid=6d8dc22eb8b81034&fb_ref=Default

^^The only time (outside of ILM) where Frey gets mentioned in the same space as Sleater-Kinney.

The Eagles documentary is a must watch for anyone with a peripheral interest in the band

NY Daily News columnist goes there

http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/music/glenn-frey-death-sad-eagles-lousy-band-article-1.2501461

there is not one single solitary original thought in Kuntzman's thing…but then he has always been a midwestern style newspaper mediocrity in the NY market, going back to his time as the NYPosts' "Metro Gnome."

the following is a corrective to Kuntzman and every hack so pleased with themselves for citing that fucking movie that I've never liked (don't really like the Coens).

http://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/rock/6851078/eagles-hatred-explainer-defense-glenn-frey?curator=MusicREDEF

Huh so it sounds like per Azoff he was on a remicade or humera type medication for his arthritis... those are immunosuppressant therapies that can make you prey to serious bacterial infections

http://www.youtube.com/embed/GANjDKnIv3M?rel=0&start=93&end=133&autoplay=0

dammit.

I tried to write a piece that grappled with the Eagles inspired, which was far from peaceful easy feelings.

The warm smell of colitas: it’s just no match for turnpike musk.

We love you too, Billboard man.

http://lefsetz.com/wordpress/index.php/archives/2016/01/20/glenn-frey/

Shorter version: Glenn's a winner, and if you're a hater, you're a loser.

And despite the hit single, it was the era of album rock. So upon hearing the mellifluous tune you went out and purchased the Asylum LP and…you played it over and over again. Thirty seven minutes long, the debut had no clunkers, it begged to be heard. Take that modern music.

oh yeah...Lefsetz chugged all night

That acoustic guitar came out of the speaker in the dashboard and in the summer of ’72 all of America felt good.

In a flatbed Ford, made in Detroit. Where Glenn Frey emanated from.

"Emanated" is an odd word choice. Makes it sound like Glenn Frey was a toxic gas leak.

And now I realize it was the perfect word choice.

Cameron Crowe:

Glenn's jocular street wisdom was pretty addictive to a guy who'd never had a brother. It was easy to share your personal stuff with Glenn. He'd help you plot out the answers to your problems like a seasoned coach. He once laid out the psychology of getting and maintaining a buzz at a party. ("Two beers back to back, then one every hour and 15 minutes. ... You'll be loquacious, and all the girls will talk with you.")

I found that I went to him often for gender-specific advice that would have stumped or even horrified my sister. When I once told him about a girl I was in love with from afar, a girl I was sure I needed to impress with a better "act," Frey reacted hugely. "No!" he said with a pirate's smile. "You don't need an act — all you need is to be you." He leaned in close. "If she can't smell your qualifications, move on."

GLENN: And if I found I didn't like the smell of her qualifications, I chugged a couple more brews and got back to work down there!

DON: Well, yeah.

Glenn &
Don &
Donald &
Walter

try to find better bands to reevaluate. like Bread.