Omar-S / FXHE

like what?

I love the Day/Night record (that's the one with the Supremes sample, right?), but have yet to find any others that have truly grabbed me ... mostly because Omar's stuff is so hard to find in shops (probably should order direct, I suppose).

That is the best thing he has done. I don't think it is possible to make a more stripped down lo-fi house record.

Check here:

http://infinitestatemachine.com/2007/08/06/a-conversation-with-omar-s/

I can't say enough good things about pipecock's blog.

I don't blame rarity on yr inability to find other good material. Everything is available as an mp3 sample on his site:

http://www.omarsdetroit.us/

Dude got struck by lightning once and he hasn't come with anything as strong since.

http://www.omarsdetroit.us/snips/004day1.mp3

this is the only other thing that strikes me:

http://www.omarsdetroit.us/snips/new_mp3_snips/congaless.mp3

u mad

check 100% house, give it to me, just ask the lonely

foe-show !!!

http://www.omarsdetroit.us/snips/111_6.mp3

that whole record! the maker!

I've been meaning to start this thread for months. Now that it's here, I don't have much of a chance to contribute. Check for sounds clips of OASIS Seventeen, Nineteen, and Twenty-Two. Great stuff. Also his newest one with Theo "Grand Son of Detroit Techno" is as strong as anything else he'd released. I love "Day" as much as anyone but he's hardly a lightning strike once producer. Pipecock needs to get on here and spread the gospel.

Also the T.O.M. Project release on Sound Signature with Theo P and Malik Pittman is mindblowing.

I would rather listen to Rick Wade.

haha, here i am to "spread the gospel" ;)

hey, i love rick wade as much as the next man (in fact, i have all his house records except the first Harmonie Park which is near the top of my wants list) but his stuff is certainly more samey than omar-s'. and really, i at least like everything omar-s has done, and i love a large portion of it. but this isnt a competition, both of those guys make excellent music.

here's my favorites from omar-s:

1. "Just Ask the Lonely" - what a fucking track. when i first got it on CD (it was out on CD for like a year before it was on wax) my friend jwan and i played that shit like 10 times straight. amazing.

2. "The Maker" - another one of those super sublime soulful electronic joints. pure beauty.

3. "In Side My Head" - super nasty funky shit, somewhere between techno house and electro and dragged through some dirt.

4. "Set It Out" - excellent use of an old electro vocal, he turns it into a beautiful deep jam.

5. "Churchill" - minimal nasty jacking joint, good for layering with disco records.

on the real though, so much of his shit is good. for as cheap as you can get everything straight from him, i reccomend just buying a bunch and mixing them up. the hiphop EP is really nice, too, very underrated.

yeah, that track "shine on me" from side-trakx is like heaven to me

i especially like "give it to me". it sounds disco with the guitar sample, and the bassline (which turns to acid near the end) is funky like peacocks. the vocal loop says "give it to me" every other measure for the first half, and then he lets the other measure drop, "let me have it". near the end he cuts off "give it to me". the structure is very simple and beautiful. so is the music.

give it to me
let me have it
give it to me
let me have it
give it to me
let me have it

yeah ive killed dancefloors with "give it to me" many a time. probably the first omar-s that really killed it like that, for me at least. i might take that one out with me tonight in fact!

i've been meaning to check out 006. i'm always looking for minimal sounds that go with disco, so thanks.

all right. I might have to order up some omar then (or at least give it another listen). thanks for the reccomends.

I dug him till I read that interview you posted on DetroitLuv, pipecock.

EFFYALL001: Omar S vs. Eddie Fowlkes - Village Ghetto LP (4x12")

a1. Fuck Y'all (Original Mix)
a2. I'm Da Shit Eddie

b1. Fuck Y'all (Fuck Flashin Dub)
b2. No, I'm Da Shit Omar

c1. Fuck Y'all (Mike Huckleberry Shot Out Mix)
c2. Village Ghetto Land (Omar's Remixin Shit From Da 80s Makes Me Da Shit Rework)

d1. Fuck Y'all (Tacos & Louse Experiment)
d2. Village Ghetto Land (Flashin's This Shit Was About Me Stealin Shit To Make This Shit Remix)

Bonus Beats. Settin' Techno Back For Like 35 Years (OS & EFF Fuck Y'all Bullshit Muthafuckin' Playa-Hatin Ass North 8-Mile Bitches Mix) (Locked Groove)

he certainly is not going to win the democratic nomination for 2008

"EFFYALL001: Omar S vs. Eddie Fowlkes - Village Ghetto LP (4x12")

a1. Fuck Y'all (Original Mix)
a2. I'm Da Shit Eddie

b1. Fuck Y'all (Fuck Flashin Dub)
b2. No, I'm Da Shit Omar

c1. Fuck Y'all (Mike Huckleberry Shot Out Mix)
c2. Village Ghetto Land (Omar's Remixin Shit From Da 80s Makes Me Da Shit Rework)

d1. Fuck Y'all (Tacos & Louse Experiment)
d2. Village Ghetto Land (Flashin's This Shit Was About Me Stealin Shit To Make This Shit Remix)

Bonus Beats. Settin' Techno Back For Like 35 Years (OS & EFF Fuck Y'all Bullshit Muthafuckin' Playa-Hatin Ass North 8-Mile Bitches Mix) (Locked Groove)"

"I dug him till I read that interview you posted on DetroitLuv, pipecock."

you can always count on dluv for some retardedly racist shit to come out of suburban white kids. i love it.

i knew there was a reason i held off making this thread for so long.

Watch the scene in Hi-Tech Soul where Eddie Fowlkes talks about the credit card scam while clutching a tall-boy and tell me this shit isn't funny.

one of the things i like about 'the maker' is that bit near the end where he brings the keyboard melody that is nearly identical to the melody from chez damier's 'i never knew love'.

i love that melody so much, but i just can't get with chez's lyrics. "i never knew love / but i think i love you." really? who has never been in love with somebody? it's like he cut off his head to convince this girl (or guy? i don't know) that he loves her. it's so beyond belief but maybe it could work in the right moment with the right person.

so omar took the melody (same synth, too) and put it in a song with better lyrics and the same loving feeling.

A new Omar-S 12" is out. The sound clip here sounds oh so nice: http://www.omarsdetroit.us/eps.html

does it just build up and release like that?

is that all the record do?

see, your lazy ass got to do something with it

it sounds like a trance record pipecock

i guess that all depends on your definition of trance. is it a record that could be considered trance inducing? sure. is it anything resembling the genre called "trance"? only if youre so drunk you can't think.

i did a guest mix for the TAPE blog that should be dropping tomorrow or the next day that features this new track as well as a bunch of other detroit house shit, ill post a link when its up.

as promised:

http://allsexistape.blogspot.com/2008/01/guest-mixtape-tom-cox-aka-pipecock.html

the Omar-S cut is definitely one of the highlights of the mix IMO....

Looking forward to this pipecock. Thanks for the heads-up.

is that all the record do?

-- pipecock, Sunday, 6 January 2008 22:41 (2 days ago) Link

You get some of those stupid ass motherfuckers probably from the suburbs or some shit like that who don’t even know what the fuck he’s talking about, been listening to trance music for like 6 months and shit, ain’t been listening to trance since back in the 90's like me, know what I’m saying. You know how those motherfuckers is.

;)

so, who is shadow ray?! is it derr1ck m4y?

omar s

i know... i want to believe

maybe it's the slightly dorky looking nervous guy he sends out to do his dj gigs?

(ps great dj)

he won't tell me, but i think shadow ray is made up.

i like the one-sided one that spins backwards that elan gave me. like a lot. i think i'm gonna try to use it in this mix i'm working on right now.... i've decided that using the computer to mix is for losahs. (okay, actually, i've just been practicing on the decks a lot and have gotten much much better.)

shadow ray

derrick may

and he said that derrick gave him some equipment

"shadow ray

derrick may

and he said that derrick gave him some equipment

-- elan"

indeed he did get some equipment from him, but i would DEFINITELY bet against it being derrick may. i've heard rumours that Transmat talked to him at one point about signing some tracks.....

oasis doesn't really sound like derrick may anyways. but we can dream. they both seem like very, shall we say, strong minded individuals.

I'm sure it's not him, but as for OASIS not sounding like D. May, I have to say that tracks like OASIS Seventeen, Nineteen, and Twenty-Two (yes these are the same three that I mentioned above, but they really are standouts to me) are definitely what I could imagine D. May sounding like these days.

well, if it does turn out to be derrick may i guess i'm sitting on some treasures

"I'm sure it's not him, but as for OASIS not sounding like D. May, I have to say that tracks like OASIS Seventeen, Nineteen, and Twenty-Two (yes these are the same three that I mentioned above, but they really are standouts to me) are definitely what I could imagine D. May sounding like these days.

-- matt2"

i actually dont disagree with that. its tough to be sure, but that shit does have some of the hallmarks of great D.May productions.

what are the hallmarks of great derrick may productions?

epic melodies, lush arrangements, smooth but pumping drum machine tracks.

Yep, and I was just about to fill in the gaps in my FXHE discography (at least the stuff he's got in stock) with my birthday money.

Psychotic_Photosynthesis (the one-sided 12" mentioned above) is really great. were you ever able to work it into a set? it seems like it'd be very...pliant?

this music is pretty rudimentary

Some of these tracks make really excellent DJ tools, I was really partial to the a couple off the Luke Hess EP.

But I guess the whole debate over form and function's not really worth getting into again is it?

all records are deejay tools in the hands of a competent deejay. contrary to some peoples' opinions, i think omar-s shit works fine all by itself. you have to like repetition though!

i think the 'simple than sorry' (007?) record is pretty functional. it does have a more song-y mix but i prefer the 'basic mix' because it seems to go with anything!

yeah the basic mix is the one on there. i rock it under disco jams, when the rattlesnake sounding percussion comes in, people go nuts.

The Further You Look - The Less You Will See

http://omarsdetroit.us/snips/further_snip.mp3

yeah, he is just killing it. word from the man is that he is taking a break from the heavy deejaying for a while to work in the studio more.

Yep, saw this elan. I've been checking the FXHE site every day since he put the "coming soon" up for that one.

i am using a track from 002 right now.

unfortunately, my new age california landlord lives above me, and doesn't appreciate me workin the decks late at night. so...fuck, right?

The new one os for sale on the FXHE website now. And it looks like he recently re-pressed 002 1/2 (the excellent vocal version of "U") and Compulation #1 (both out of print for while I believe) and also the wacky Kyle Hall one. With those three and the new one, my FXHE collection is complete. Yes!!! This whole record collecting thing is a lot like my baseball cards as a kid.

home sick, mail woman arrives :)

I'm hoping for mine today!

I got mine too. What you think elan? It's another smash if you ask me. The sound sample doesn't even remotely capture its epic-ness.

In the first minute or so the left channel on mine cuts out/goes to static multiple times. Do I have a jacked-up copy or do you have the same issues?

i read some other people saying they had issues with the vinyl, too, but it was a bass-drum-too-loud issue. mine works. i love it! i like it so much better than psychotic photosynthesis, but it's definitely of the same seed. the melodies develop a little more here. i wish he would just go all out melodically in a maximalist style.

this might be the first record he did not at nsc and they might have fucked up the mastering.

the Luke Hess record is pretty ill, i think.

that said, i need to order a lot of this stuff, epecially the new jams. everything i hear is just "you need to hear this i am destroying me ears to it yessss"

"I don't need other people's music; I got over 100 songs released. I can make fucking six fucking Fabric records right now. I can probably make fucking ten CDs just of unreleased shit."

01. Omar-S - Polycopter
02. Omar-S - Flying Gorgars
03. Omar-S - Strider's World
04. Omar-S - Oasis Four
05. Omar-S - Crusin Conant
06. Omar-S - U
07. Omar-S - Oasis 13 ½
08. Omar-S - 1 Out Of 853 Beats
09. Omar-S - Simple Than Sorry
10. Omar-S - Psychotic Photosynthesis
11. Omar-S - The Maker
12. Omar-S - A Victim
13. Omar-S - Oasis One
14. Omar-S - Blade Runner
15. Omar-S - Day
16. Omar-S - Set Me Out

FUCK YEAH

FUCK

well why not put together a cd of completely unreleased stuff if you feel its that strong? Housemates in fabric first so i'll still look forward to hearing it, i'd actually slept on his stuff until quite recently but been hammering whatever I can get my hands

nice

the majority of that cd is previously released stuff.

so psyched

"well why not put together a cd of completely unreleased stuff if you feel its that strong? Housemates in fabric first so i'll still look forward to hearing it, i'd actually slept on his stuff until quite recently but been hammering whatever I can get my hands

― straightola"

he says in their press blurb that he wanted to keep some of his more recognized tracks on there for the people who haven't heard them. i feel like he is still widely slept on, hopefully this will change that! i can't believe he didn't put "just ask the lonely" on it though....

i am loving this.

i was just playing devils advocate really, i love his stuff. Anyone spot the exclusive tracks? ive only a few of the singles and the compilation album

i think these the only exclusives. all of the others have definitely been released, but i don't know these:

01. Omar-S - Polycopter
02. Omar-S - Flying Gorgars
05. Omar-S - Crusin Conant
08. Omar-S - 1 Out Of 853 Beats

i've no idea given that this is all new tro me. however, in the press release gubbins :

"there are about four tracks on there that haven't been released yet"

xpost. and there are the four listed !

he has a new 12" out on sound signature too. his first full 12" release that's not on FXHE i think?

is the fabric mix out?

I don't think so elan. According to the RA link above, "Fabric will release Fabric 45: Omar-S on March 16 in the UK and April 7 in the US." Do you have a review copy or something mark e or are you a Fabric subscriber?

i am looking forward to this fabric business so much. i love his ridiculously cocky persona, too... esp if the dude is actually dorky and nervous as someone hinted above

omar-s iceblock tray, lol

that new one on sound signature has a track called 'deep valve cover'. how detroit do you wanna get?

I had a long conversation with Alex while he was on the line. Fave quote: "You know what I hate? People who fucking think I need them"

....fuck

lool @ icetray

Genre: Deep House

I got the yellow icetray for free when I ordered six records from him. My four year old thinks it's the coolest.

keep it deep

frozen

Do you have a review copy or something mark e

for my sins, yes i do.
and i was tempted by the ice tray i cant deny.

isnt he into import car racing and video games? nervous and dorky for sure.

so so so so so so so so so pumped for the fabric mix.

http://www.residentadvisor.net/feature-read.aspx?id=1010

"I don't even know who Ricardo Willalobo is."
"I don't even know who Ricardo Willalobo is."
"I don't even know who Ricardo Willalobo is."
"I don't even know who Ricardo Willalobo is."

XD

damn i don't even get to post the link to the interview i did? ;) some more great shit from omar-s, dood kills me.

ha didn't know that was yours

he's the best place to get his records from, at least if you're in america. great prices and he might call you to confirm the order and then you can talk about music and whatever.

i mean, who else is selling eps for $5 and lps for $10 anymore?? it's fucking crazy. and free shipping if you buy more than $20. you can get four new singles for the same price as one or two anywhere else.

LOL tbh I didn't know who richardo vilawhatever was till a year or so ago too(overrated mullet ketmine shit)

fuck

"Psychotic Photosynthesis" is the best record I've heard in ten years from any-damn-body.

this man is an absolute gem

why is someone being macho/arrogant really so fascinating?

I like his music plenty but seriously, the jizzing over crankiness and narkiness that goes on in pop culture is a farce.

why is it crankiness and snarkiness? and who else talks like this on the record? the guy just doesn't give a fuck about what people think or do, he does his thing and does it ridiculously well. if that's not inspiring, i don't know what is.

"I don't even know who Ricardo Willalobo is."

i call bullshit

and who else talks like this on the record? the guy just doesn't give a fuck about what people think or do, he does his thing and does it ridiculously well. if that's not inspiring, i don't know what is.

do you like Rush Limbaugh and Bill O'Reilly? Richard Littlejohn?

yeah they're basically exactly the same, but only if the listener is retarded. which in your case must be true!

strange that he's never heard of villalobos when he's like 100 times more famous than himself.

if the listener is what

fuck

aside from the retarded hype surrounding the Martinez Brothers (are they really even deep house?), even the "new" guys on this scene tend to be older.

― pipecock

my guess is you people wouldnt know soul in music if it smacked you in the face. if you think a frequency range or dynamic level has anything to do with soul, youre probably retarded

― pipecock

some of the most retarded things i have ever read in my entire life appear in this thread.

-- pipecock

when i say this same thing about house and techno music, people think that's not a valid viewpoint. the longer the knockoffs are around and the greater they are in numbers, the more they begin to write the popular opinion. which is of course pretty retarded.

― pipecock

disliking sugar ray is also just retarded, i wish they were still putting out a summer jam every year.

― pipecock

from djhistory

is it serious? i think its seriously retarded when people try to say they're from somewhere that theyre not so they can get some kind of credibility or something

am i supposed to care that my fashion sense isnt cool enough for ILM? hahahahaha. too funny. it's like being back in high school, but more retarded.

― pipecock, Wednesday, April 16, 2008 12:43 AM Bookmark

that is literally the most retarded thing ive ever heard anyone say on any music forum ever, and that is saying a lot. how can you possibly be that retarded? how?

― pipecock, Wednesday, November 21, 2007 6:53 PM Bookmark

typically retarded ilm attitude. good luck with that!

― pipecock, Saturday, May 3, 2008 3:01 AM Bookmark

this album is like Moodymann for white music. not 100% wack, but pretty blandly inoffensive and not really very interesting to me. the fact that they take writing credit for it is pretty retarded too.

― pipecock, Friday, June 13, 2008 10:38 PM Bookmark

the new one beats HW, it will be the most retarded thing ever. HAA is pretty much complete garbage, no matter what your angle is.

― pipecock

yeah they're basically exactly the same, but only if the listener is retarded. which in your case must be true!

― pipecock

don't forget bitch

similarities end there

http://gakcity.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/04/porter.jpg

retardedadvisor.net

so you're now catching on to the retardation problem that ILM seems to swim in? good job!

.....fuck

apparently Tourette's is big in these parts as well.....

They don't want money, they don't want to put out good music. They want to do that shit half-ass

so OTM. hate it when people don't push it creatively & businesswise. if you see music as a cool temporary hobby, please don't release anything.

people with tourettes swear

"psychotic photosynthesis" has always reminded me of "sieso".

i'm super-psyched for his fabric mix as well.

maybe i should say that i'm fucking psyched for his fabric mix.

has anyone heard the jesse rose essential mix?

the mix i have been playing the most lately is cd 1 of this

i think i have omar-s' fya #4 which is pretty much ace

Watch out tricky, that compilation looks pretty retarded really.

quite strange track selections....is it good then?

well, it's nice because it's not all german, not all british, not all one (micro) genre, not all american, not all one artist and yeah, it flows really well - so yeah, track selection and mixing ability are up there on this one. i'd say if the artists in the tracklist are your cup of tea then you will like it. fucking $28 comp for those of us in the states, too.

tim everytime i see freaks in a tracklist or hear them in general i think of you

fuck sorry for my retarded emo post

I think those comps are on Beatport for a bit cheaper maybe...

lossless?

(i couldn't look because the site was down)

I'm flattered by your emo-retardery tricky but i'm surprised you think of me, would have thought i'm no bigger or more prominent a MFF fan than yourself or vahid.

I haven't heard any of the songs on that comp bar Closer Musik I think but I agree the artist selection looks nicely balanced. I rather like Tania Vulcano as a DJ (her Cadenza 12inch was also quite nice).

i think it's just that you are always repping for them. i'm a fan, but not to an encyclopedic level or anything. i would bet that you have also heard the second freaks track and the mountain people track from the mix in question as they were pretty ubiquitous the past couple of years. the mix also has the same stoned dj talk that dj t's mix for gpm used (i don't know if that's part of the monne automne track or not)

is that cd part of the ridiculous 6 part thing they released last year? i'd like to hear those but never bothered getting them

yup. the mathias tanzmann is really good as well. his mix for that series is actually what made me go back the album he put out last year and recommend it on the other thread. i haven't even dug into the second discs of either comp (i got part 1 and part 3). well, i did give the melchior a cursory listen, but i haven't yet played it without multitasking at the same time.

(xxxxxpost) i don't like that he's macho and arrogant, it just happened to make for a good interview. it's obviously some type of act for the media, and it was funny- regardless of whether or not he's just cranky. when it comes down to it, it's much more entertaining to read this than another stale interview with some obsessive german minimal house producer.

plus, i actually find bill o'reilly pretty amusing. he makes me laugh more than jon stewart, anyway. for instance, did you see the expose he did about san francisco? laugh riot.

it's much more entertaining to read this than another stale interview with some obsessive german minimal house producer.

or instead of two sides of the same coin of clichés we could read an in depth interview with someone who hates some things, likes some things, you know...or at least read comments about interviews that were not just 2d.

i think he'll get more attention because of that 2d sensationalism. not that this is ethically better or anything, but hopefully it'll sell some records for the guy.

in no way would i be behind his type of talk if the music wasn't almost good enough to back it up

yeah no it's true he'll get more attention. it's a name game lol.

So basically Omar-S could have come out and said that he believes domestic violence is justified and people in this thread would have been like "loooool what a riot! So much more interesting than those obsessive Germans and their tired emphasis on gender parity!"

^^^this is exactly what I feel about this

"he swears, he speaks the truth, who can trust positivity"

there's a reason people like Bill O'Reilly have a "no spin zone".

feigning ignorance about ricardo villalobos is akin to endorsing domestic violence? i sorta see what you're saying (and maybe egged it on with the o'reilly thing) but still that's quite a leap. this is a much different type of sensationalism

Sure, my point is simply that this thread's reactions seem almost pavlovian in their "whatever, guy's a dude!" oblivious boosterism, and justifying that by reference to some strawman boring german simply makes the whole thing seem more pipecock-engineered.

is there where u invoke godwin's law

*this

is your cap'n' save-a-willalobos act any less pavlovian??

I don't give a toss about him not knowing who Villalobos is. People praising someone for swearing a lot and "telling it like it is" or cos "he doesn't give a fuck" is the lame thing.

Not giving a fuck is pretty easy.

xxxxposts

the melchior disc is brutally minimal (in the plip-plop sense) until around the last third when it smooths out a bit and gets housier, much like his live djing it's nothing special.

Yeah it's actually perfectly believable that omar-s doesn't know who villalobos is. And i don't have a problem with his interview per se.

wonder how theo parrish feels about being referred to as just part of a "name game" lol

proud?

yesterday i had no idea that the revive of this thread was based on the interview. i read it today and found it to be very enjoyable.

re the circo loco mixes, another reason i like both of the mixes i mentioned so much is that they sound like actual dj sets you'd hear at a club unlike a lot of mix cd fodder these days.

yeah. re:profanity, this is how the man talks and the interview is unedited in that respect. pretty sure you'd get much worse out of say, dave clarke if you didn't edit the fucks out of it.

has anyone here heard him play at fabric? it must be nuts.

xpost, that's what i got from it, too. it was refreshing.

it was also good to read someone from detroit repping detroit. a lot of these guys don't talk to journalists too much and again, the rawness of the interview really helps, i think, because without it you'd never get the sense about the actual person behind the music, which is what a lot of the arguments around it really center on. (i.e., the mammoth theo parrish thread)

although I enjoyed the interview I think his persona is well established and at this stage I'd like to see someone asking about the rawness

also dave clarke definitely would be like this in an interview, but the responses would always be the same.

it really was weird to me when the blurb for Fabric came out and the minute you read "I could make 100 fucking Fabric CDs" or whatever you know instantly that'll be the line quoted by everyone all over the internet, "what a guy!" "yeah!".

I don't want boxer rhetoric from an artist.

i would like to see someone asking about the rawness, too, but i think it might not necessarily be this construct that can be so easily unboxed.

what if the artist is a boxer though?

just playin. it's fascinating stuff to me.

But Ronan don't you see, the mainstream liberal media have stamped out this sort of REAL TALK. If not for Omar-S 'n' Pipecock how else are decent hardworking men gonna educate themselves on what's really going on in the world of dance music? It's not like Resident Advisor are gonna start doing cover stories on Omar-S or other Detroit artists any time soon...

x-post no of course not...but it is v surprising how few of the comments dissect/analyse it too, here and on RA. it's like people want to find a lack of nuance and then big it up without nuance.

and if they are a boxer it might be more interesting since they actually take/give a smack in the face for a living.

x-post to Tim the minimal ELITERATI are keeping the true heroes down

I guess, seemingly like Tim, I just don't get why people aren't bothered by what appears such explicitly right wing rhetoric...or at the very least thoughtless machismo.

If you start bigging that up versus thoughtfulness/positivity etc then where are you? What are you standing for and what are you really opposing?

I loved the Thomas Melchior interview on RA because I felt the guy was really thinking about every question, really answering them, and had prob thought about most of them already.

I was at a queer comedy night last week as part of the Midsumma Festival on here at the moment (orgiastic month long arts'n'parties'n'pickin'up fest), and one of the comedians made some dismissive comment about a conservative politician - not actually a joke though - and this woman behind me started laughing and laughing uproariously, as if to say, "this comedian and I share a dislike - what a hero!!!!"

As far as I could tell she didn't actually laugh at a joke. It was like her brain was set only to register the most straightforward, blunt, simple statements that accorded with her ideologically.

I see this a lot in local lefty comedy: comedians get a free pass for not being more funny because their politics are correct. What annoys is not the comedian so much as the audience, which is trained to respond to certain key words like a dog whistle. I would imagine the same thing happens amongst right-wing comedians and their audiences (actually I've watched enough fox news and read enough right-wing blogs to be pretty sure this is true, though the sympathetic attitude to take here is that these people aren't actually comedians so their awful attempts for humor shouldn't be held to a terribly high standard).

Omar-S's "don't give a fuck" attitude strikes me as genuine, but the rapturous applause with which it's received seems hollow. It's the response that's the construct, not the person.

i take issue with the whole right wing rhetoric thing. it's more like boasting on the basketball court. he's competing to win. xp

yeah exactly tim

to win what? music is about people enjoying what they choose to enjoy. and anyway sport is full of right wing rhetoric, the difference is there's a winner at the end of the match who says "I am the best" cos he has the title to prove it.

of course the next step in the reaction to the interview will no doubt be "oh he knows how to play the media, it gets people talking, he's a smart operator" etc etc.

again, it's hardly to be praised, pretty easy to be controversial.

and fwiw I am mostly talking about the reaction to his comments too...Omar S is a person with opinions of his own and attitudes of his own (though it'd be nice to learn about where they come from in more detail) but just blindly responding to aggressive interviews with "hells yeah" is something you see in music down the ages...

i would say it's to win bragging rights because he's positive about his music.

no one is on the hip hop boards bitching about all the right wing rhetoric in the lyrics. it seems to me that people have just become used to a certain subtle consistency in the discourse surrounding techno, one that tends to be very polite, self-conscious, cerebral. i found Omar-S' to be interesting and yeah, "raw." i also have to admit that the arguments between pipecock and ronan/tim/vahid/whoever has made for pretty interesting discussion that seems to always just shy away from getting really interesting (probably around the time when pipecock calls someone a retard, but thats besides the point...). i think that pipecock's frustrated/ing personality on the internet is very much fueled by the climate of american culture and techno's (lack of a) place in it.

the context of Omar-S' attitude is incredibly important to the appeal of it. his personality is unusual on RA, his interview is refreshing in that specific forum. comparing it to right wing rhetoric seems lazy and boring and irrelevant. someone having some attitude about the techno he makes is not unwelcome (specifically an american), and it is not at all just the machismo that is appealing. i find him to be far funnier than the supposed injection of personality provided by the "wacky" vocals on a Noze track. the way he described showing his tracks to theo parrish was hilarious.

The pipecock attitude makes a lot more sense (although it's no more sympathetic) if it's conceived as being the equivalent of barracking for your local sports team.

I guess all of the things that annoy me about that approach can be framed in sports terms: the way in which making good music is conceived in terms of feats of personal mastery, the unnecessarily manichean oppositions, the machismo and chauvinism of the language in which everything is discussed, the subservience of all powers of explanation and elaboration to the process of justifying the performance of your team...

I think the difference though between sport and music is that the experience of music isn't primarily or even often competitive - the soundclash is the only actual public context in which music is experienced in that manner. DJing certainly isn't: it's about exploring the complementary nature of different music. I approve (on some levels) of tribalistic devotion to a particular sound or scene, but not when its sole purpose seems to be a sort of fortress mentality fear and hatred of everything outside of it. Individual scenes are much more interesting for how they pull disparate ideas together than for what they reject or define themselves against.

And yet all this rhetoric is so competitive (and, moreover, master/slave-ish: Omar-S is good because he's not a weedy, white-bre(a)d minimal producer with polite, politically correct opinions on everything) that you'd think the relative sales performances of different artists or genres on beatport was the central fact of dance music, like the ranking or ladder in a sports competition.

X-Post: also this sort of arrogance/attitude just isn't that unusual/"refreshing"!?!? When I interviewed him, Chelonis R Jones was much more combative/arrogant/self-aggrandizing than Omar-S; the difference is that he doesn't fit the mould of homegrown american hero because he soils himself by working with people like Marc Romboy.

I find most of these damn interviews boring, regardless of whether the subject is "raw" or "cerebral". Some of these people travel around the world, some of them don't have to work a day job and have free time to develop any interests they may have outside of music, some of them live in major cities with all sorts of things going on at all times. Not being critical of the fact that people who make music are being asked questions about music by music writers for music journals/websites, but most people come off like they have never read a book or gone to a good movie or anything.

if we swap out sports metaphors for others does it become any more palatable? such as: sexual conquest or being the freakiest of the freaks? where it's not so much win/lose as it is dominate/sublimate? don't cha want a girl who's a freak like me? don't cha?

the blingiest of the bling?

and maybe it's not sports so much as gaming, to use a metaphor that omar-s might appreciate. in katamari damacy the goal is to roll a ball around a house picking up various things as you go. the ball is sticky so things attach to it. the ball gets bigger and more psychedelic as you go and you are rewarded by being able to pick up larger things (like cats :). in this case it is more about testing yourself then it is about beating someone else.

As to the question of who else does interviews like this.

(Without even taking Omar S or his interview into account) have we already forgotten the bulk of Resident Advisor interviews (many seemingly coming up after the "controversial" Jay Haze one, wherein he talks about how he hates Minus) which go to pains in their onanistic introductions about how X producer isn't afraid to tell it like it is, and are littered with mostly de-contextualized, highlighted quotes about how things have gotten so bad. It seems like the official mandate of RA interviews in 2008 was to try and milk the fearless, shit talking interview for as long as they could.

Otherwise I agree with Ronan and Tim on most counts.

Yeah exactly. It's like how there were always more artists complaining about "minimal" than there were artists who identified with the term.

Maybe my reaction against this kind of thing is based on the fact that it'll always remind me of NME/Oasis etc.

Ha, I guess we know where th inspiration for Omar S's Oasis stuff comes from.

That's pretty spot on, though. I've always hated contrarian for contrarian's sake attitudes in anything. It stands in opposition to the pure of good criticism, by which I mean it criticizes without carrying out any critique, if that makes sense.

i definitely wouldn't place omar in the lineage of minimal-bashing discourse in the tradition of 2008. he's mainly just boasting (as opposed to criticizing), and actually seems like he's somewhat unaware of current musical trends for the most part.

Actually I totally agree - which is why I'm more irritated by the way this kind of copy is then contextualised by its audience rather than Omar-S's comments in and of themselves.

that people consider him so refreshing/genuine? that some people just post here to say they liked the interview with no further analysis? i guess i fail to see what exactly you find so frustrating. he made some press-baiting comments, and here we are talking about it on a thread on the internet. hardly surprising or new, but nothing to get too upset about either

Errrm, to clarify I wasn't really addressing Omar at all, just Resident Advisor, whose tradition in presenting interviews that "tell it like it is" - minimal bashing being the thing to tell about like it is du jour in 08 - is nothing new here. I imagine they've probably exhausted people complaining about the usual stuff, and I wouldn't doubt that they probably knew well what they'd get with an Omar S interview. Even a cursory skim through user comments there make me curious about their readers, and shall we say, their ability to critically assess these things, and the resultant riling up they tend to serve (in the same way, over and over again) (now if they'd just stop with those tedious album-puns for their news column).

been reading all the back and forth here and then fabric 45 came in the mail today :D hopefully will make for a good commute tomorrow

"that some people just post here to say they liked the interview with no further analysis?"

Actually I wasn't irritated until you introduced the boring German minimal producer strawman.

Not that your comment was terribly egregious, but we've had at least 12 months of this stuff from pipecock and it distresses me to see other people starting to sound like him.

i hardly think making one mild (if admittedly cliche) remark about minimal interviews being stale is on the same level as years of trolling about the techno/house threads on ilm and calling people retarded. i know the guy can be an asshole, but equating anyone who disagrees with you to pipecock is a pretty weak defense and you do it all the time

I'm hearing he's playing Fabric on March 21st, looking forward to hearing this stuff on that system.

[Chelonis R Jones] doesn't fit the mould of homegrown american hero because he soils himself by working with people like Marc Romboy.

heh

"i hardly think making one mild (if admittedly cliche) remark about minimal interviews being stale is on the same level as years of trolling about the techno/house threads on ilm and calling people retarded."

No, it's not at all. I should have been clearer: your comment didn't so much sound like pipecock as it did echo a general mindset of which he would approve. If I'm over-reactive to that, it's because pretty much every thread on (non-funky) house and techno on ILM has been lost to handwringing and pietism.

However, I object to the suggestion that I equate everyone who disagrees with me with pipecock.

YOUR FACE AND MY ASS
HOWS THAT FOR AN EQUATION

http://shopbase.finetunes.net/shopserver/BinaryCacheServlet?albumid=1182160214404&datatype=fc600

sorry im toxicated :-(

that's more like it.

i;m listening to exmaple #22 ny laurie anderson and wondering if theo parrish would like it. or dj harvye.

i mean its sorta balearic

major moments of instant insanity (laurie anderson remix)

ugly edit #12 should be a sped up born never asked w. like a beat from a bohannon track

the idea that ANY musician "telling like it is" (TM) could ever be unusual/refreshing is a farce...

sure dance music interviews can tend to be dull, due to language barriers and also the general reluctance of artists to do them. but I really really don't see that "dude tells it like it is" is the antidode to that. How about dude tells like it isn't? Or like nobody thinks it is? Or like nobody had previously thought it was?

isn't his interview persona basically a troll...?
when i talked to him (a couple of years ago the first time he played at the sub club) he seemed like a pretty sweet guy and he was obviously quite humbled by the crowd's response at the end of his set.

man i need to go out more, never seen Omar S at the Subby.

eh i think abject cynicism is a farce.

the idea that his "persona" is a troll is a cheap shot, too.

It's not cynical to point out that a clicé is a cliché. Tim bang otm with the Oasis comparisons.

eww no.

agree re cliche. i think what i find cynical is this idea that there are two polar opposites here when the reality is that it's far more complex than that. it's just bitter to constantly rehash the same thing over and over. it's like this black hole of words.

I find that cynical too. It's not Omar S's fault but people do seem very happy to paint him as one side of a coin.

(and he's not exactly resisting this, but then he wasn't asked about his persona either)

yeah i actually agree about the oasis thing, it's one of the few comparisons you guys made that actually seems apt.

also, were you guys really thinking that pipecock would ask omar-s something so emo?

i mean, most RA features involve an artist picking his favorite records or talking about their new mix. or yeah, talking shit about other artists

a cheap shot? you don't think he's loving the fact that his interview on RA is attracting 100s of comments?

well, i can't read his mind so i don't know. :/

i am also not reading the RA comments although i probably will at some point.

hardly a massive inference from the content of the interview

(i haven't read the comments either)

the idea that ANY musician "telling like it is" (TM) could ever be unusual/refreshing is a farce...

sure dance music interviews can tend to be dull, due to language barriers and also the general reluctance of artists to do them. but I really really don't see that "dude tells it like it is" is the antidode to that. How about dude tells like it isn't? Or like nobody thinks it is? Or like nobody had previously thought it was?

― Local Garda, Friday, February 6, 2009 7:03 AM (13 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

I can't tell if this is directed at me or not, but either way: the thing about "telling it like it is" is it's always viewed as "telling like it isn't/how people previously thought it was", in that it's perceived/read as being the only one to point out the elephant in the room and cut through the false consciousness that envelops everyone else, whereas in reality it's all an operation of further reinforcing your own immobile beliefs by playing them out through a staged performance of "telling it like it is" which is essentially what Rush Limbaugh et. al do, and what I'm critiquing. Sound familiar? It's the Modus Operandi of a certain ILM cockpipe and his unidimensional rhetoric.

In fairness we should probably admit that everyone does this, not just Rush Limbaugh types - it's just more obvious with people like him.

'psychotic photosynthesis' really IS the shit, isn't it?

mehlt it wasn't directed at anyone really, your distinction is good too. I guess the difference is when the "telling it like it is" is a very conscious attempt to let people know you are "TELLING IT LIKE IT IS". We all know the techniques employed.

alright well i guess i am the odd man out on this one because i don't think that the persona is made up (it is maybe exaggerated for effect, but who doesn't puff up their chest once in awhile)

i thought it was generally accepted that "keeping it real" is bull in a lot of cases but in this case it seems unfair (based on the content of the interview and also, the guy's music speaks loudly and clearly on its own)

it's interesting because there is this issue of misrepresentation so i could see overcompensation happening and if the interview probed a little more, it would have probably shed some light on this

i can definitely see being skeptical regarding interviews performed by fans, but there's also something to be said for that style because it's probably just more comfortable.

dude's music is so hot he has to sell ice cube trays XD

i agree that this persona is not a front. i'm sure he has a sweet side. you can hear it in his music. but when i talked to him i was just another guy buying a few records and he was just like in the interviews. it's just him.

do you guys know the art curator hans ulrich obrist? he has done a series of short book-length interviews with artists (they are called the conversation series) and i think that's a very intriguing idea for music. it's like a 33 1/3 for interviews instead of reviews.

because i don't find much of this discussion particularly interesting, i'm going to piss ronan off and just say: OMAR-S is one of the best producers working right now.

sad that pipecock got banned

:-(

that didn't piss me off table. but it may have pleased your surrogate dad pipecock so all good!

so am i. mostly because i loved rooting for him against the rest of y'all.

was he banned over this thread or something else?

ronan, i don't have beef with you. i definitely disagree with you a lot, but for real, it just comes down to the fact that my music tastes are more in line with pipecock's, and that isn't a reason to bait me all the time.

as in, i have never called you retarded, except for that one time when you argued that there was no objective way of judging music and i went bonkers.

no problem, I wouldn't have said anything except you addressed me.

yeah, je le sais.

anyway, what i find most interesting about Omar-S is that though some of it is probably posturing, his disinterest in most anything but his own music (and music from the D) has created quite a mythos around the man. this construction is still a construction, though i don't doubt that Omar is telling the truth, at least most of it. Prince used to claim similar things back in his pre-Xian days, and i sort of wanted to believe him because it made him that much more of a weirdo androgenius.

was he banned over this thread or something else?

i banned him because he is fucking annoying, on this thread and others.

it's temp tho, should be over in a day or two.

gttfo

hey table i'm djing the radio party tonight

i was sad because i didn't realize he'd been banned ... i thought i'd actually succeeded in shutting him up for once.

table i find many of your *views* as irritating and wrong-headed as pipecock's but since you don't seem to have any trouble being a civil and interesting conversationalist. why don't you give the good thomas cock some lessons on it?

i am an omar s fan.. i don;t care about his attitiude.. it is what it is.. i didn;t like the new record very much.. but i might give it one more chance.. anybody go to see him at santos? i missed him both times he played here for no real reason. can i get a review?

Can I add that I like Omar S' persona because he's so obviously a nerd-y troll who has his name on Google Alert -

for instance,
http://www.xlr8r.com/news/2009/01/omar-s-takes-fabric-series

in the comments:
"A.O.S Says:

Hey Tom,Omar S here you and Villalobos can eat a Detroits Dick Bitch!!"

maybe it wasn't him ;-)

my brother just emailed me with subject line "I don't know who Omar S is??"

andy k to thread ... a "detroits dick" sounds like it might be some type of fried street food favored by the noble and rugged working class negros of the south side

BTW the amount of hype over omar s is only mildly less embarrassing than the amount of hype over trus'me or soulphiction or other moody/parrish jackers

will be buying the fabric disc day it comes out but really given the love for detroit on this board i'm shocked people aren't talking up, like, delsin very much

Doesn't some of Delsin just jack that stuff even worse? I mean in parts their releases are almost trancey to me (oh no what can of worms have I opened) not that I have a problem with that per se.

I just seldom love Delsin.

Out of interest vahid, do you classify Omar-S as a moody/parrish jacker or were you just comparing the hype?

calling omar-s a moody/parrish jacker is going to make pipecock's head blow up. it seems like a statement scientifically engineered to infuriate pipecock.

"BTW the amount of hype over omar s is only mildly less embarrassing than the amount of hype over trus'me or soulphiction or other moody/parrish jackers"

This sentence actually implies that omar s is not a moody/parrish jacker. Which perhaps is why the hype is mildly less embarrassing.

I'm really looking forward to this album too but (as is already pretty obvious) feel uncomfortable with the hype.

I was at a ridiculously debauched foam dance party last weekend and, in between the Freemasons and the Joey Negro, heard several Dennis Ferrer productions (dancing in foam to "Church Lady" = A++). I remember briefly thinking, "yes, this guy is thorough genius, why doesn't he get all the earnest hype on ILM that more furrow-browed US producers do?" And then immediately thought "DUH his stuff can soundtrack foam parties, what do you expect??"

I saw Carl Craig on Saturday, playing the most vulgar static breakdown mnml set I've ever heard (via Ableton). Admittedly I've not heard many such sets as I don't bother going to see DJs who might drop the same....

Worth mentioning tho. It was damn effective even if I didn't enjoy it much. He played some 12 minute trance tune in the middle that sounded like "Mr Vain".

static breakdown mnml set

^^^ ???

All the breakdowns involve long stretches of static, maybe?

come on you know like dubfire style tracks with that huge "kcccccccccccccccccccccccccchhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh" breakdown...

it actually was sort of okay except he left every track in for 8-9 minutes and also there wasn't much dancing to be done. was like a fireworks display. like I say though, easily the most stereotypically euro-mnml set I've seen anyone do in the last 15-18 months (discounting london afterhours clubs which are obliterated from my memory through booze)

You know though that Carl Craig doing this doesn't puncture hermetic pipecockian logic: "He's doing this to steal money from gullible euros so he can plug it back into the projects. I don't like his current style as much as his more obtuse less populist previous stuff but that cat has paid his dues, man."

xpost: I dubbed that the "steam through the grates" effect. Which incredibly got little to no calling-out in all the talk of overused mnml effects. It's up there with slow vocals, if you ask me.

And 12 minutes of Mr. Vain in the middle of a techno set would be heavenly.

i just heard the omar-s fabric mix and was really v impressed, and then i saw this 100-reply thread and was kinda excited to read an enthusiastic discussion of it, but i kind of feel as if a bit of me has died after reading this entire boring thread

fwiw isn't that RA interview just standard hip-hop braggadocio? i enjoyed it

no one is on the hip hop boards bitching about all the right wing rhetoric in the lyrics. it seems to me that people have just become used to a certain subtle consistency in the discourse surrounding techno, one that tends to be very polite, self-conscious, cerebral...

the context of Omar-S' attitude is incredibly important to the appeal of it. his personality is unusual on RA, his interview is refreshing in that specific forum. comparing it to right wing rhetoric seems lazy and boring and irrelevant.

^^sums it up

seriously lex you need to take a more positive outlook on life.

take a leaf out of my book.

lex I think you've missed the point a bit re the objections in this thread. No-one has a real problem with Omar-S's interview answers.

plus you need to smile more...you know, lighten up

(just joking lex)

i know, you have a problem with pipecock. it's very boring to read about people's problems with pipecock over and over again.

have you tried anti-depressants

i'm just disappointed that i learnt precisely 0 about omar-s from this thread - except via pipecock's interview with him.

t'ai chi?

andy k to thread ... a "detroits dick" sounds like it might be some type of fried street food favored by the noble and rugged working class negros of the south side

Keep me out of this one ktb.

he's not a moody / parrish copyist but he's certainly a detroit pietist (musically)

"BTW the amount of hype over omar s is only mildly less embarrassing than the amount of hype over trus'me or soulphiction or other moody/parrish jackers

― moonship journey to baja"

those guys get lucky and make a good record every now and then. Omar-S gets unlucky and makes a bad one every couple of years.

"calling omar-s a moody/parrish jacker is going to make pipecock's head blow up. it seems like a statement scientifically engineered to infuriate pipecock.

― vergangenheitsbewaeltigung (later arpeggiator)"

hahahaha

"Doesn't some of Delsin just jack that stuff even worse? I mean in parts their releases are almost trancey to me (oh no what can of worms have I opened) not that I have a problem with that per se.

I just seldom love Delsin.

― Local Garda"

Delsin has moments of greatness, moments of wild abstraction, and then moments of unremarkableness. if they were consistent, i think there would be much more love for them!

"he's not a moody / parrish copyist but he's certainly a detroit pietist (musically)

― moonship journey to baja"

interestingly, i still hear more Chicago when i listen to his tunes.

just got the Omar-S Fabric mix and the Sound Signature 12" in the mail today. Mix is fantastic, "Blade Runner" really stood out as one i had slept on entirely before today. the unreleased joints are all good. mixing his music together like that makes it sound even more strange than when it's in the middle of a set of tracks that are nothing like it. SS 12" is a return to his dirty roots, i don't know how much mass appeal this one will have compared to his last couple of FXHE's but it reminds me of the first time i heard him!

http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f196/sodtdesign/big_rooster.jpg

lol at the backlash against anti-pipecock crusaders on this thred

Oasis 13 !

blade runner is his best tune hands down. sort of makes me think of drexciya

oasis 13 is the best oasis i think! the bassline is so great.

ok so aside from the fabric mix he put out like three 12"s in the last few months? can't find where the oasis 13 talk is coming from, but i'll assume that's a new one, there's that blown valvetrain 12" on sound signature , and side trakx vol. 2 (which i picked up and is actually pretty underwhelming/odd)

OASIS #13 was released a couple years back: http://www.discogs.com/Oasis-Thirteen-Two-Eight/release/916247

And as for Blow Valvetrane and Side Trakx Vol. 2, yeah those are maybe not the best play to start.

fabric mix is just aight, not gr8

yeah, not the greatest sequencing (psychotic photosynthesis into the maker?)

i liked that transition! the vocals are refreshing after the intensity of psychotic photosynthesis.

FACT interview

"I wanted to do all Detroit artists but there’s not a lot of Detroit artists right now that are putting out new music, and I didn’t want to use like the old shit. So I got to thinking…Fuck it, I can do all my shit, know what I’m saying? I didn’t know that some guy Ricardo had done the same thing on the Fabric mix; if I’d known that I would of done it in a different way – but it’s cool, though, it’s all good. I came up with the idea and Fabric were down with it after they heard the mix…They were down with it."

you would of sex with all these ricardos

how does hype work

In the post-social-networking era, an artist like Omar-S is not just a rarity, he's a treasure. The Detroit-based mastermind stands tall as a daring reminder of how things used to be, how things should be: authentic, exceptional music released on a carefully harvested grassroots label, with no attachment to hype or any incestuous "Top Friends" circles. Distributed solely off his own back, and diligently monitoring every step (even hand-writing notes on his white labels), Omar-S' FXHE imprint has become an underground cult of sorts, and his off-kilter productions bang as testament to his vibrant uniqueness. Bringing back the Detroit ethos but shaking up the formula in unimaginable ways, his music and label stand for everything the proud city represented in the past, as well as giving it a bright light for the future. Producing at such a prolific rate at an impressively young age, his style was so different that for years, the rest of Detroit didn't get it. Even now, despite his devout following and a myriad of hugely celebrated releases under his belt ("Psychotic Photosynthesis," his wondrously adventurous LP's, his collaboration with Shadow Ray as Oasis, etc), he rarely plays in Detroit and his hometown is none the wiser about the sound he's perfected. And his fan base, meanwhile, is none the wiser about the enigmatic man himself: with only two known interviews to date, looming aspects of his personal life, like his street-racing profile (a prevalent part of his Detroit life the last 14 years), have simply gone undocumented.

On 'fabric 45: Omar-S DETROIT,' Omar-S provides the uneducated with a stunning, arresting portrait of who he is as an artist, as a DJ, as an outsider, as a radical in an otherwise indifferent music world. Enter the wide, unformulaic world of Alex Omar Smith, where all rules of techno and house are contorted, and no directions can ever be predicted. His complex yet austere productions build and interlock individually, in the same way they bind collectively to form a fluid, surreal anthology. Deep, challenging and all-consuming, fabric 45 is aural poetry, atmospheric bliss: put simply, a work of art.

take this writer out back and shoot him

i mean this CD sound pretty good and all but i can see myself putting it on for a month straight and then forgetting about it the way i did with "detroit beatdown" or whatever

take him out front and shoot him as an example.

^^ thus

also a lot of this sound music similar to music on modern love, delsin, philpot, etc

think you're getting the responsible gender wrong.

uh, gender responsible

take her out back and make her cry

sucks there's no tour dates listed for this guy anywhere. can't wait till he comes back to NY!

also a lot of this sound music similar to music on modern love, delsin, philpot, etc

definitely agree with this, more labels beside too.

would love to see a euro/us pepsi challenge

yes, that would be fantastic, i am sure it would deepen the knowledge of the uneducated in unimaginable ways. i love the way those labels break all rules while remaining true to an individual and collective ethos that is above all complex yet austere.

are we post social-networking already? jeez, must keep up. anyway, at least there's no attachment to hype with omar s. would be insufferable otherwise.

dis is a weird thread.

I like where this is going. The mix on first listen sounds fantastic.

I really like this, but then again I have listened to virtually no techno at all for about three months so it suddenly seems refreshing. Helps I didn't really know Omar S beyond Psychotic Photosynthesis either. Blade Runner is huge.

Omar S’s DJ technique at Fabric last Saturday appeared to be: play 2 over-played house classics with fairly shoddy mixing, and then play one of your own tracks which will sound incredibly fresh and interesting in comparison.

I had a blast though, entertaining evening – much smaller crowds than I’ve experienced in recent years meaning space to dance! Pole live sounded absolutely immense in Room 1 too.

Pretty awful DJ with some great tracks (at Brooklyn Yard). This would be Ok usually, but for an outdoor daytime party with very enthusiastic punters and thunderstorms rolling in, it could've been great, if he knew how to build and sustain the vibe. Still, nice to hear some harder / more percussive stuff at the Yard. Which has easily become the party of 09.

Pretty much my experience a few months ago, ropey DJ, but great to hear so many of this tracks in one set on a club system. Would be much better to sort out some kind of live set.

Ayo

what's the tune that comes in at 30:00 on Omar's mix for Roof FM?

did you look here?

http://www.mixesdb.com/db/index.php/2008-10-18_-_Omar-S_-_On_The_Roof,_Roof_FM

http://29.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l1q3zvTPe61qzqdwwo1_400.png

also, can someone give me a quick summary of pipecock's philosophy

actually, i don't need to know about pipecock. just read most of the thread.

after a patient 3 month wait I got my omar-s fabric mix, and was frankly surprised at how good it is.

Also: (Day) is the best thing he has done. I don't think it is possible to make a more stripped down lo-fi house record.

I can't speak to the first half of the sentence, buit otherwise, this /\

loving his remixes of big strick: http://www.discogs.com/Big-Strick-100-Hustler/release/2230166

the big strick remix record is great.

i don't understand why there is such a big discussion about omar's interview. actually i found it very inetersting, but my first language is not english, so maybe i missed out on something. it looks like people here are annoyed that he is not recognising villalobos, but why is this really a big problem? what i like is that omar just makes great music, and probably is 'in his own world. (but you can say the same maybe for villalobos!) i think the quotes are funny and it is more interesting to read than many techno producer interviews that are boring so oftne. but the big deal for me is the music.

and also, who is this pipecock guy that you all talk about?

any talk abt his new album?

one listen, it's good. maybe not as good as his first one.

holy lol at this song nsfw hxxp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oVH1iaOTu40

i hate songs like this... the music is alright but... i can't listen to it...

And I think the Shadow Ray remix on the new Colonel Abrams FXHE 12" blows the new LP up... 1 song vs 12 so great. Going to buy it but I don't even own a turntable now. I'll buy it for the future. Hoping the internet pirates release it so I can still listen to it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0jIpXImD30

Sometimes I hear a new Omar-S song and I think it's wack and that maybe he lost it or something but then I hear another Omar-s song and it's this song and I'm shocked by it.

A new Colonel Abrams song! In 2011! And it doesn't suck! And it's AMAZING!

New album has some serious highlights and so does the free Scion A/V album:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Os9dppIqVMw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dD-30K979Lg

not really sure what RA's angle was on that review

idk, but i'm bummed that no one on RA seemed to realize he's quoting rakim.

right?

I don't think that really matters

I'd never heard any of his stuff, but I picked up his Fabric mix (all his own shit) the other day and I've been playing it nonstop... How did I go so long without knowing about him?

It doesn't matter to the music, but I think it matters to music criticism. It betrays a general ignorance of American music post-Kraftwerk. It's a signature line from a hit single off the first album of the rapper.

xp

Or at least an ignorance of American club music ie the origin of RA's beat.

omar-s has had both a lot of killer and a lot of filler this year for sure. that col. abrams thing is ridic

Would it really make that much difference if the review started "Taking its name from a Rakim lyric..."? The title still has meaning when applied to Omar-S's career independent of its provenance.

lmao at the album cover

helly hansen so fresh

I love his It Can Be Done ... album. But always FF past Look Hear Watch, too much for my delicate catholic boy make up and it doesn't impress the wife.

"ganymede" early favorite

There's more there Number None. Just not sure what yet. Maybe I just like PIF a lot.

all you need to know about omar-s's outlook on life is pretty much summed up in the title to his new album, "for those that can clap (clap your hands to it)". from his ugly cover art to his infamous ricardo villalobos diss, the message has always been "fuck you, rhythmless europeans"

that col abrams track is a weaker version of "U" imo

my highlight off the LP is the title track... it's deep.

lol @ his gleeful promotion of detroit fetish tho

The Colonel Abrams song has such a different feel from U, to me. Much more straightforward house and it doesn't use the Energy Flash bassline, which is gives so much to U beyond the texture of the song.

Also I'm a sucker for cut up vocals so that is a huge difference from U for me.

yeah i suppose i just prefer not straightforward house. i was probably just looking for easiest comparable. U is wayyyy deeper. plus i hugely prefer the vocals on U as well. maybe i listened to too many edits to like the col abrams vocals

thanks for dumping that porn sample in the middle of this album omar-s, i only had it at top volume

haha, yeah... and the track underneath it is quite nice, but man that is a skeezy porn sample

The track under the pr0n IS really good... Man, the new album is really fantastic, huh? My favorite tracks after just a couple listens: "Skynet 2B", the title track, and "Ganymede"... But so solid. I wondered the other day when the P-fork review showed up if he was bombarded with mail-order requests (especially given that the review specifically said that was the best way to get the music)!

god this is so fucking sick.

the album? or is there something new

Not sure what Matt meant, but yeah, there's something new; really digging it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQPy_HSLDSA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aS86JxhyiP4

still you say criticize

:O

king kong of house

there's some awesome stuff on the new album

the nelson county ep is great. he has such a distinctive grammar re: house.

the xlr8r podcast from may is crucial

reading back over this thread is embarrassing

deeply deeply embarrassing

who are you embarrassed for?

myself

I was a bit down on this after hearing the opening track but the rest of the new album is so fucking good. The last track, Heard'Chew Single, is nearly perfect.

this dude rules imo

best winter bus/train riding music

let's talk about how much omar-s rules

i saw him DJ over the summer and the first thing he did when he got in the DJ "booth" (really just a big table between the speaker stacks with the DJ gear on it) was to kill all the lights in the house. then he took down the purple spotlight that was pointing at the DJ booth. he actually grabbed the spotlight and pulled it down. then he stuck it on the floor under the table with the light facing the dancers feet. and then he started his set.

and he played this, too!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=35mH1DK9fLk

the first oasis CD is really good

thank you for letting me be myself is really good

early tracks i love:
"miss you"
"always there"

he has a lot of records

are all the "side traxx" releases in that same instrumental hip-hop style as the first?

To answer an old question and since I just discovered there were more than 2, NO

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zwjgFkQVypc

This track from Vol. 4 is kinda like a slinkier version of vol. 1

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qooVbjoewU

the vol. 1 sound that is

this second life is kinda awesome? omar-s by numbers kinda awesome, but damn

He has been rather “killing it”, as they say, these past few years

Maybe he’s just always been killing it since 03 or whenever

sheer genius

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rPWmbNzfbJE

he's the best

new track sounds super

new album - £60!

yeah wtf. i guess occasionally living in the states throws me a bone - assuming ordering through fxhe is going to be a lot cheaper.

though i'll probably wait for downloads tbrr *shrugs*

Tip!

I'll wait as well, tbh.

I'll Do it Again makes quite a scene at Hot Mess.

"bitch, I fucked your girlfriend too/ shirts and skirts, it's all the same!"

haha omgggg how did i miss that one

hahaha!

RIGHT?

from 2019, good lord this is irie, can I get a whole album of this, please?

“Love me like cooked food (feat. Nardo Ranks)”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SgqvoZptvlw

Awful stuff here.

https://www.instagram.com/p/CzRRYckOI5w/?hl=en&img_index=1

jfc

i saw omar's post earlier and wandered what was going on

https://www.instagram.com/p/CzSl2FeAn4M/

wondered

i had heard several bad stories previously to the point i had stopped playing his music, so sadly this is not surprising.

Dee Diggs said as much in her reply to Supercoolwicked's post

I'm not in the scene to hear stories but his interviews always seemed to have an aggressive tone. Some of the samples he's used I found very off to the point I can't listen to his work. I like productions in that style but there are people doing better work. Sad to see DJs and producers taking pity on him and sending him support.

bad vibes have dripped from this guy for years, decades now. i don't recommend re-reading this thread, but it's all there early on. final straw was openly mocking victims of d. may a few years ago. my listening life will be just fine w/o AOS.

i heard the new one (Something Real) before i knew who it was by and now i'm mad at him all over again cos it is very fucking good